From brian.h.winkler at accenture.com  Tue Nov  1 08:26:54 2005
From: brian.h.winkler at accenture.com (brian.h.winkler@accenture.com)
Date: Tue Nov  1 08:37:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Two Tickets Available for the Iowa Game 
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I have two extra tickets to the NU-Iowa game.  Nice seats - sec 128, row 51 (NU Side).  $30 a piece.

If you are interested, please send me an email quickly.

Go Cats,
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  1 23:06:39 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Nov  1 23:08:00 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 10
Message-ID: <20051102050639.51784.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com>

The final month has begun. Standings should be out
later, but we have a full slate of games this week --
including a couple pretty big games in the
Appalachains. Will Blacksburg and Happy Valley work
the home magic for conference titles? And what impact
will the rest of the Big Ten slate have on the bowl
picture? We'll see. Hopefully the Cats get back on
track.

All picks due by kickoff Saturday.

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 10
#######################
Name: 

Big Ten
-------
GAME  1: Illinois @ Ohio State      WINNER: 
GAME  2: Michigan St. @ Purdue      WINNER: 
GAME  3: Minnesota @ Indiana        WINNER: 
GAME  4: Wisconsin @ Penn State     WINNER: 

National
--------
GAME  5: Miami @ Virginia Tech      WINNER: 
GAME  6: California @ Oregon        WINNER: 
GAME  7: Tennessee @ Notre Dame     WINNER: 
GAME  8: Missouri @ Colorado        WINNER: 
GAME  9: Texas A&M @ Texas Tech     WINNER: 
GAME 10: NC State @ Florida State   WINNER: 

Picks by kickoff Saturday.
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov  2 10:34:16 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov  2 10:37:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/2
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Midweek Wrapup Edition

Lots of Football, including some more bowl predictions. Iowa news, along with
all the Fall Sports and some Alumni stuff too...

                                                                  All the News
that Fits We Link
                                                                      Your Index
to News about
                                                                    Northwestern
University Athletics

FOOTBALL

     Reacting to distress next test for Cats
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu01.html 
     + Coach moves on following difficult loss
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/01/43670edf19038 
     + Wildcats eager to pounce back in race
      http://www.nwherald.com/SportsSection/college/316121407319267.php 

     Good-hands people
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051102024
5nov02,1,1469456.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + Iowa coaches liken Basanez to Randle El
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051101col
footnu,1,286673.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 

     Sutton's fumbles irritate Walker
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051101023
7nov01,1,1076239.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + Wildcats need Sutton to hang on to ball
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=113304 

     WNUR: Wildcats Simply Out-played by UM.
      http://www.wnur.org/sports/ 

     SportsXChange: Inside Slant
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=InsideSlant 
     + Notes & Quotes
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=NotesAndQuotes 
     + Strategy and Personnel
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=StrategyAndPersonn
el 

     Monday Lineup 10/31
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/460523.html 

     Northwestern Closes Out 2005 Home Season With Iowa
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/103105aaa.html 

     Kickoff Time Announced for Northwestern-Ohio State
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/103105aab.html 

Next Up

     Iowa Hawkeyes [11/5]
     Watch Kirk's Weekly Press Conference
      http://allaccess.cstv.com/media/school.jsp?sid=1450 
     + Iowa Returns to the Road
 
http://hawkeyesports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/103105aah.html 
     $ Monday Morning Quarterback w/Chuck Hartlieb
      http://iowa.scout.com/2/460135.html 
     + Going Gonzo with Wolfgang
      http://iowa.scout.com/2/459853.html 
     + Muddled Race
 
http://www.dailyiowan.com/news/2005/11/01/Sports/Muddled.Race-1040499.shtml 
     + Hawkeye offense looking for consistency
 
http://www.hawkcentral.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051101/HAWKS0104/5110103
23/1053/HAWKS 
     + Home grown
 
http://www.hawkcentral.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051030/HAWKS0104/5103003
11/1053/HAWKS 
     + Ferentz: High Energy, High Octane
 
http://hawkeyesports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110105aad.html 
     $ Allen talks Wildcats
      http://iowa.scout.com/2/460678.html 
     $ Johnson: We've got to be at our best
      http://iowa.scout.com/2/460668.html 
     $ Hodge and Mattison Prepare for Cat Attack
      http://iowa.scout.com/2/460663.html 
     $ Chandler & Tate Talk Northwestern
      http://iowa.scout.com/2/460657.html 
     + Think small, walk tall
 
http://www.dailyiowan.com/news/2005/11/02/Sports/Think.Small.Walk.Tall-1041709.s
html 
     + Clark still over-achieving
      http://www.hawkcentral.com/ 
     + Bowl stakes high for Iowa
 
http://www.hawkcentral.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051102/HAWKS0104/5110203
08/1053/HAWKS 
     + Hawkeyes concentrating on 'Cats, not bowl projections
 
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051102/SPORTS02050
2/511020367/1003/SPORTS 

     Bulletin board material for the game
     "The good news is Northwestern's poor defense may help Iowa's inconsistent
offense. "
     Iowa ready to pounce
 
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051101/SPORTS02050
2/511010396/1065 
     + Ferentz says paper's headline off the mark
 
http://www.hawkcentral.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051102/HAWKS0104/5110203
16/1053/HAWKS 

Future Big 10 Opponents:

     @ Ohio State Buckeyes [11/12]
     Illinois Fighting Illini [11/19] 

Miscellaneous Football News:

     Big Ten Weekly Football Release - Oct. 31
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/103105aac.html 
     Music City Bowl for NU?
     Bowl projections
      http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2194032 
     Callahan denies making slashing gesture
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/football/ncaa/10/31/bc.fbc.callah
an.throat.slash.ap/index.html?section=si_ncaaf 
     Stakes Barry high for Badgers, Lions
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-big02.html 
     QB weathers criticism storm
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/02/43686a1aa18ea 

Recruiting

     The ChicagoHoops.com Top Class of 2006 Basketball Prospects In The State of
Illinois
      http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/2006rankings.html 
     $ Class of 2006 Positional Rankings: Top 10 Posts
      http://www.chicagohoops.com/members/2006posts.html 

     Illinois Mountain Man Dorrestein Checks In
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=460243 
     + No place like Nebraska
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=460427&nid=1851040&fhn=1 
     + Major Observations
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=460300&nid=1851040&fhn=1 

     McWhirter talks about MSU visit PLUS video
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=459903 
     + Talks Michigan State and more.
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=459533&nid=1761612&fhn=1 

     'Their Facilities Are Amazing'
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=460260 

BASKETBALL

     Men
     Wilbon, Wildcats bring Halloween hoops, hope 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/01/43671048c8a05 
     2005 Big Ten Basketball Media Day
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/103105aaa.html 
     + Big Ten Basketball Media Day Quotes
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/103005aad.html 
     + Coaches, players expect Big Ten free-for-all
 
http://www.hawkcentral.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051031/HAWKS0102/5103103
07/1053/HAWKS 

     Big 10 to settle on Chicago or Indy for tourney
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-big01.html 

     Random Thoughts: Getting down to Business
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/460524.html 

     Future Opponents:
     Wyoming Cowboys Tip Off Season Wednesday Night
 
http://wyomingathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/110105aaa.htm
l 

     Women
     Ohio State Tabbed Big Ten Women's Basketball Preseason Favorite By Coaches
And Media
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/103005aaa.html 
     + Big Ten Basketball Media Day Quotes
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/103005aab.html 

CROSS COUNTRY

     Teammates can't keep pace with each other, finish last at Big Tens
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/01/43670f0de10aa 

FIELD HOCKEY

     Bracket Released for 2005 Big Ten Field Hockey Tournament
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/nw/sports/w-fieldh/spec-rel/103105aaf.html


     Two losses cap regular season
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/02/4368696e758c9 

GOLF

     16th-Ranked Wildcats Finish Second at CordeValle Collegiate
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/nw/sports/m-golf/recaps/110105aab.html 
     + Road trip ends in near miss for mistake-ridden Wildcats
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/02/43687565e4680 
     + Northwestern Challenging UCLA For CordeValle Collegiate Title
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/nw/sports/m-golf/recaps/103105aaa.html 

SOCCER

     Men
     Northwestern Set to Host 2005 Big Ten Men's Soccer Championship
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/nw/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/102805aad.html

     + Lenahan: NU must get 2 more Big Ten wins for NCAA invite
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/01/43670f9644c92 

     Women

VOLLEYBALL

     Cats find positives in dismal weekend
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/01/43671eee9e9c0 

 MISCELLANY

     Where have college football's great coaching personalities gone?
 
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051030/SPORTS02050
2/510300360/1065 
     Northwestern Names Hilton Garden Inn Athletes of the Week
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/nw/genrel/103105aae.html 
     as if that will fix anything...
     Bunning, McCain plan new steroids bill
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/023sd4.htm 

ALUMNI

     Luis Castillo $Chargers show off young guns
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=460312 
     Trai Essex $ A Perfect Fit?
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/460965.html 

     PGA: [Links on Player's Name is their live scorecard]
     Luke Donald -
      http://www.pgatour.com/players/scorecard/291587/r060/2005 
     Make your move
      http://www.pgatour.com/story/9014753 
     Scheduled for The Tour Championship
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r060 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov  3 11:36:13 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Nov  3 14:22:02 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/3
Message-ID: <004901c5e09d$16d285b0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Thursday Late Edition

No disrespect by the Hawks on NU Football's D, yeah, right. Also Recruiting
updates, Tennis keeps winning, Roundball 
plus Soccer, Field Hockey and Cross Country news. Alumni updates, including a
big tourney for Luke D... 

All the News that Fits We Link
Your Index to News about
Northwestern University Athletics

FOOTBALL

     Tim McGarigle Named One of 12 Chuck Bednarik Award Semifinalists
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/nw/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110205aaa.html

     + McGarigle nears NU mark for tackles
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051102col
footnu,1,942034.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + McGarigle closing in on tackles record
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=114056 

     Musical chairs continues for offensive line
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/03/4369b618ae777 

     From the land of the Hawkeyes - on Baz
     Offense of the Wildcats purrs
 
http://www.dailyiowan.com/news/2005/11/03/Sports/Offense.Of.The.Wildcats.Purrs-1
043918.shtml 

Next Up

     Iowa Hawkeyes [11/5]
     Getting to the "Next Level"
 
http://hawkeyesports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110205aaf.html 
     $ Hawks Looking for Kick Start
      http://iowa.scout.com/2/461216.html 
     + Clark still over-achieving
 
http://www.hawkcentral.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051102/HAWKS0104/5110203
09/1053/HAWKS 
     + 'Little' Chandler fills tall order for Hawkeyes
 
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051103/SPORTS02050
2/511030419/1003/SPORTS 
     + Ferentz sees a lot of Iowa in Northwestern
      http://www.thehawkeye.com/daily/stories/sp1_1102.html 
     + Rested Iowa ready to play
      http://www.thehawkeye.com/daily/stories/sp1_1102.html 

Future Big 10 Opponents:

     @ Ohio State Buckeyes [11/12]
     Illinois Fighting Illini [11/19]

Miscellaneous Football News:

     Trojans LB Maualuga arrested after incident 
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/football/ncaa/11/02/bc.fbc.usc.pl
ayerarrest.ap/index.html?section=si_ncaaf 

Recruiting

     Going west too...
     7-0 Javalle McGee Is Off The Board!
      http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/mcgeecommits.html 

     Paul Guede Will He Decide This Fall?
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=461391&nid=1920932&fhn=1 
     Oshinowo Will Visit Duke
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=460464 

BASKETBALL

     Men
     Lots of good BC comments in this one...
     Cats' Carmody in midseason form
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-03-05-731824.
html 
     Alford says UI 10 deep
 
http://www.hawkcentral.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051103/HAWKS0102/5110303
38/1053/HAWKS 

CROSS COUNTRY

     For love of sport, class not money
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/03/4369b7de02aba 
     Big Ten Championships in Review
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/w-xc/spec-rel/110205aab.html 

FIELD HOCKEY

     Big Ten Field Hockey Tournament Play kicks off Friday
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/w-fieldh/spec-rel/110205aad.html 

SOCCER

     Women
     Three Wildcats Receive Big Ten Conference Honors
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/nw/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/110205aaa.html

     + Big Ten Announces 2005 Women's Soccer All-Big Ten Teams and Individual
Awards
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/110205aab.html 

TENNIS

     Wildcats set to play for championship in ITA indoor tourney 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/03/4369b878619c9 
     + Prousis, Grier dominate ITA Midwest Regional
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-03-05-730817.
html 

VOLLEYBALL

     Northwestern Hosts Boilers, Illini This Weekend
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/nw/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/110205aad.html


 WRESTLING

     Big Ten Wrestling Hits the Mat This Weekend
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/110205aaa.html 

MISCELLANY

     BCS Plus One: The easiest solution 
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5046944?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=24 

ALUMNI

     Luis Castillo Merriman, Castillo stepping up
      http://www.chargers.com/news/headline_detail.cfm?news_key=2400 
     PGA: [Links on Player's Name is their live scorecard] 
     Luke Donald is at
      http://www.pgatour.com/players/scorecard/291587/r060/2005 
     The Tour Championship
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r060 
     + A fitting finale
      http://www.pgatour.com/story/9019379 

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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Thu Nov  3 20:15:04 2005
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov  3 20:19:00 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
Message-ID: <fb.7cc97779.309c1e28@aol.com>

   Lot's of good stuff this week.  I thought our defense played their asses 
off in the 2nd half; they single-handedly kept us in the game.
   .02: Was anyone surprised by the lack of designed running plays by Baz; I 
don't remember a single one in the 2nd half. Also, when it became apparent 
that Mesh had snuffed out the screens, why did we keep throwing them?  Hmmm...
  The concern I have is, did Michigan "find something"?  It was the first 
time on offense that we were really spinning our wheels.  Hard to tell, as our 
play selection and execution was lousy.  As it is in these situations, maybe a 
combination of both.
   However, we have too many leaders on offense to not correct these flaws.  
As RW says, it's how you respond.  And as Brad Wilson has pointed out, the 
Michigan game doesn't make the season.
   Iowa.  Truth be told, I'm not 100% sure of their record, but I know it's 
similar to ours.  I know they can throw, and methinks we better get some 
turnovers, as I bet 40-plus passes will be headed our way.  I'm also worried that a 
team coached by Kirk Ferentz will have 2 weeks to preoare for this game.
   I usually have a definate opinion of who will win or lose. I can't draw a 
bead on this game at all.  I hope we have a little, something extra for senior 
day on saturday! 

   FWI: game vs. Ohio St. on ABC; 11 AM Cat Standard Time.    

             GO CATS!!!    ERIC
From michael.vance at att.net  Thu Nov  3 20:48:57 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Thu Nov  3 20:49:43 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
In-Reply-To: <fb.7cc97779.309c1e28@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051103213406.034bfcd8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

This may sound a little negative, but it seems that in talking about how 
awesome our offense is that people have forgotten that while we've been 
pretty consistent in the first half of games, we have been wildly 
inconsistent in the second.  We've had two conference games -- Wisconsin 
and MSU -- where the offense came out and completely kicked butt after 
halftime, and three where the offense has been questionable.  Against PSU, 
we moved the ball but couldn't put it in the end zone and had to settle for 
field goals.  At Purdue, we were held scoreless until that final drive, 
when we needed it to win.  And then the Michigan game, which everyone seems 
to be treating as an anomaly.

I generally like RW as a coach.  Like others, I've been disappointed with 
the defense and the place kicking and coverage units.  But the thing that 
has frustrated me the most about RW and Dunbar has been the second 
half.  It's convenient to blame the O-Line for the penalties on Saturday, 
and they certainly deserved their fair share, but when second half clam-ups 
happen so often, week after week, season after season, especially when we 
have a lead, part of the blame has to go on the coaches.

Is it a failure to adjust?  I don't think so, because when you have a lead 
(like the PSU and Purdue games), or when you've been moving the ball and 
just having some turnover problems (Michigan), there's what's to adjust in 
the basic offensive scheme?  Keep doing what you've been doing (but hang on 
to the ball).  Is it a failure to re-adjust to the oppositions 
adjustments?  That seemed like it may have been at least part of the case 
against Michigan.  Is it over-anticipating our opponents halftime 
adjustments?  Maybe.  It wouldn't be the first time that NU football had 
been accused of thinking too much.  Or is it just fatigue?  We have been 
getting far better talent since 95/96, but we've rarely been deep at every 
position.  Does that set in in the second half?

That's part of why I'm with Eric as far as being worried about a Ferentz 
team that has had two weeks to prepare.  The offense needs to be firing on 
all cylinders because we're at a serious risk of getting outcoached, 
especially after halftime.

-Michael

At 11/3/2005 09:15 PM, WildElk2@aol.com wrote:
>    Lot's of good stuff this week.  I thought our defense played their asses
>off in the 2nd half; they single-handedly kept us in the game.
>    .02: Was anyone surprised by the lack of designed running plays by Baz; I
>don't remember a single one in the 2nd half. Also, when it became apparent
>that Mesh had snuffed out the screens, why did we keep throwing them?  Hmmm...
>   The concern I have is, did Michigan "find something"?  It was the first
>time on offense that we were really spinning our wheels.  Hard to tell, as 
>our
>play selection and execution was lousy.  As it is in these situations, 
>maybe a
>combination of both.
>    However, we have too many leaders on offense to not correct these flaws.
>As RW says, it's how you respond.  And as Brad Wilson has pointed out, the
>Michigan game doesn't make the season.
>    Iowa.  Truth be told, I'm not 100% sure of their record, but I know it's
>similar to ours.  I know they can throw, and methinks we better get some
>turnovers, as I bet 40-plus passes will be headed our way.  I'm also 
>worried that a
>team coached by Kirk Ferentz will have 2 weeks to preoare for this game.
>    I usually have a definate opinion of who will win or lose. I can't draw a
>bead on this game at all.  I hope we have a little, something extra for 
>senior
>day on saturday!
>
>    FWI: game vs. Ohio St. on ABC; 11 AM Cat Standard Time.
>
>              GO CATS!!!    ERIC
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov  4 07:26:40 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov  4 07:28:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
In-Reply-To: <fb.7cc97779.309c1e28@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005301c5e143$63bce770$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

On the lack of running by Baz [and others] in the 2nd half...

RW has been qwuoted all week as saying that you have a hard time rushing against
a team like Michigan [with a bunch of big guys in the box] when you're 1st or
2nd and 20.

Those holding penalties really hurt and you see a new face at center this week.

rsl

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  4 08:10:35 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri Nov  4 08:11:44 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
In-Reply-To: <fb.7cc97779.309c1e28@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051104141035.76606.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> don't remember a single one in the 2nd half. Also, when it became
> apparent 
> that Mesh had snuffed out the screens, why did we keep throwing them?

I actually zipped throught the Michigan game tape the other night, and
noticed a few things. One of them had to do with the screens. At the
game, I was surprised we kept calling these. Watching the tape, the
problem didn't appear to be that Michigan knew what was coming, as much
as the fact that the o-line simply missed critical blocks. 

It was not a good game all around for #51 or #52 from what I could see.
Aside from just the holding penalties, there were missed blocks,
breakdowns from not getting help, etc. The good news is that I'll bet
those guys bounce back strong this week.

> time on offense that we were really spinning our wheels.  Hard to
> tell, as our play selection and execution was lousy.  

No, I think the play selection was actually fine--I didn't think so at
the time, mind you. But in watching it again, I think it was really
only the execution was flawed for the most part.

For example, we had at least one, and I think two, very successful
running plays in the 2nd half. Both called back for holding.

Worse, the coaches actually called plays good enough to overcome
several of those holding penalties. And Baz delivered passes good
enough to convert them! But those passes were dropped. 

If I recall correclty, Fields dropped two potential 1st down catches
(including one that would have been good for about 30 yards down the
field), Philmore dropped one, and I think Sutton also dropped one that
might have been good enough for a 1st.

Some of those were "tough" catches, in all cases the O-line provided at
least enough protection, and Baz delivered a catchable ball, and the
receivers just didn't come through. Had even one of those been caught,
the game might have changed. You're back to first and 10, and suddenly
have the whole offense available again.

As with the O-line, I'm expecting that we'll see the receivers step it
up a notch this week.

Michigan's D played very well, and put a lot of pressure on our
offense. But the plays were still there to be made. But to my eyes, on
at least one critical play in each 2nd half drive, someone failed to
make a play. 

Tom

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Fri Nov  4 08:51:36 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Fri Nov  4 08:56:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
In-Reply-To: <005301c5e143$63bce770$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <0fcd01c5e14f$41c36e80$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

Just to add a little to Roy's comment, I saw Carr's weekly wrap-up show on
the local cable channel.  He said that their defense played it's best game
all season.  Their plan was to take away the run and make NU a
one-dimensional team.  He didn't figure that their plan was going to work as
well as it did.  He also felt that Sutton's fumble was the turning point in
the game because slowed NU's momentum and gave his defense some confidence.
He said that he told his team at half-time that, except for three mistakes
which resulted in some big plays, he felt they played their best first half
of football all season and if they continued to stick to game plan,
eliminate the mistakes, and hold onto the ball they would win the game.  In
other words, the only people who can beat us is us.  I guess he knew what he
was talking about.  They challenged us to beat them with the pass and we
couldn't do it.

I think you can figure that all the rest of the teams that we are going to
play are going to try to do the same thing.  It's up to our O-line to
establish the run and it is up to our receivers to run good routes and catch
the ball.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:27 AM
To: WildElk2@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Michigan comment

On the lack of running by Baz [and others] in the 2nd half...

RW has been qwuoted all week as saying that you have a hard time rushing
against a team like Michigan [with a bunch of big guys in the box] when
you're 1st or 2nd and 20.

Those holding penalties really hurt and you see a new face at center this
week.

rsl

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov  4 09:54:18 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov  4 09:56:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
In-Reply-To: <0fcd01c5e14f$41c36e80$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <005601c5e158$039c3e30$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I'm sure all the teams in the Big 10 have tried to shut down the run and make
Baz beat them with his arm.

The question is if the front 4 of Iowa, dOSU and Illinois are up to that
challenge.

What I think I saw of Michigan's D was a tremendous rush by the front 4 with a
little LB help, but really just 4 guys coming hard. I guess they "spied" Sutton
with a LB, but just about every receiver had a Wolverine on him.

This week, the Iowa front 4 is not as good as Michigan's and they'll probably
have to devote a couple of LBs to covering Tyrell. That gives us an opening to
pass, and given the guys wear their "stick-em" we should be able to move at
will.

I've read a lot of the quotes from the Hawkeye's this week - they sound a lot
like Purdue.

Go Cats - Ingest Iowa

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:52 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
> 
> 
> Just to add a little to Roy's comment, I saw Carr's weekly 
> wrap-up show on the local cable channel.  He said that their 
> defense played it's best game all season.  Their plan was to 
> take away the run and make NU a one-dimensional team.  He 
> didn't figure that their plan was going to work as well as it 
> did.  He also felt that Sutton's fumble was the turning point 
> in the game because slowed NU's momentum and gave his defense 
> some confidence. He said that he told his team at half-time 
> that, except for three mistakes which resulted in some big 
> plays, he felt they played their best first half of football 
> all season and if they continued to stick to game plan, 
> eliminate the mistakes, and hold onto the ball they would win 
> the game.  In other words, the only people who can beat us is 
> us.  I guess he knew what he was talking about.  They 
> challenged us to beat them with the pass and we couldn't do it.
> 
> I think you can figure that all the rest of the teams that we 
> are going to play are going to try to do the same thing.  
> It's up to our O-line to establish the run and it is up to 
> our receivers to run good routes and catch the ball.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:27 AM
> To: WildElk2@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
> 
> On the lack of running by Baz [and others] in the 2nd half...
> 
> RW has been qwuoted all week as saying that you have a hard 
> time rushing against a team like Michigan [with a bunch of 
> big guys in the box] when you're 1st or 2nd and 20.
> 
> Those holding penalties really hurt and you see a new face at 
> center this week.
> 
> rsl
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov  4 10:12:22 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov  4 10:14:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/4
Message-ID: <005701c5e15a$8ad09980$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Cross Country, Field Hockey and Soccer. Swimming and Alumni too... 

            All the News that Fits We Link
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FOOTBALL

     A battle for a bowl game
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/04/436b36af9cabe 

     Trevor Schultz: Cereal, guns and women's fashion trends
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/04/436b3925a9630 

     Mark Philmore: Senior grows through challenges
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/04/436b3789dd659 

     NFL Draft Scouting Report: Barry Cofield
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=461718 

     Waterboy: the loss to Michigan.
      http://hailtopurple.com/waterboy 
     Lowes Line: prediction for the game with Iowa.
      http://hailtopurple.com/features/lowesline5k03.html 

     Pregame Intel: Iowa Hawkeyes
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/461881.html 
     + Scouting report
      http://www.dailyiowansports.com/football/scout9.htm 
     + Northwestern part of Big Ten's offensive boom
 
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051104/SPORTS02050
2/511040373/1003/SPORTS 

Next Up

     Iowa Hawkeyes [11/5] 
     Farm kid makes it big as linebacker
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/04/436b3265a85b0 
     + Iowa's Ferentz caught by cameras
      http://www.detnews.com/2005/college/0511/02/sport-369828.htm 
     $ Hawks Hope to Turn Tide
      http://iowa.scout.com/2/461822.html 
     + Iowa must score
 
http://www.dailyiowan.com/news/2005/11/04/Sports/Iowa-Must.Score-1045791.shtml 
     + Q&A with Antwan Allen
      http://www.dailyiowansports.com/football/qaallen.htm 
     + Ready, willing, & Gabelmann
      http://www.dailyiowansports.com/football/gabelmann.htm 
     + The most underrated back
      http://www.dailyiowansports.com/football/underyoung.htm 
     + Drinkall's film find paid off for 2002 Hawks
 
http://www.hawkcentral.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051104/HAWKS0104/5110403
23/1053/HAWKS 
     + Film buffs
 
http://www.hawkcentral.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051104/HAWKS0104/5110403
22/1053/HAWKS 
     + ISU uses voice mail to attract fans
 
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051104/SPORTS02060
2/511040374/1003/SPORTS 

Future Big 10 Opponents:

     @ Ohio State Buckeyes [11/12]
     Illinois Fighting Illini [11/19]

Miscellaneous Football News:

     Willhite: Does Illini punishment fit the crime when OSU gets a pass?
 
http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/beatwriters.asp?column=willhite&id=113642 

     Palm's up, and sports world is taking notice
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=22 

     Stewart Mandel: Alvarez enjoying his last ride 
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/11/03/wisc
onsin/index.html?section=si_ncaaf 

Recruiting

     Recruiting Tech-niques
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/04/436b3b2d9ab1d 
     Eastview C Evan Sanford Gets Midwest Interest
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=461740 

BASKETBALL

     Men
      Q & A with Head Coach Bill Carmody
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/110305aad.html 

     Big 10
     Freshman shoots into picture for Illini
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-illbk04.html 
     + Smith strong for Illini
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=114467 

CROSS COUNTRY

     Hossfeld is California Dreaming
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/w-xc/spec-rel/102704aad.html 

     Franklin Receives Big Ten Sportsmanship Award
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-xc/spec-rel/110205aaa.html 
     + Illinois' Hunt Named Big Ten Women's Cross Country Athlete of the Year
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/w-xc/spec-rel/110205aaa.html 
     + Big Ten Championships in Review
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/w-xc/spec-rel/110205aab.html 

FIELD HOCKEY

     Wildcats Set to Begin Big Ten Tournament
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-fieldh/spec-rel/110305aaa.html 
     + Wildcats enter Big Ten tourney on five-game skid
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/04/436b2c8d580a7 

     Christine Nannicelli Garners Second-Team All-Big Ten Honors
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-fieldh/spec-rel/110305aad.html 
     + Big Ten Announces 2005 Field Hockey All-Big Ten Teams and Individual
Honors
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/w-fieldh/spec-rel/110305aaa.html 

SOCCER

     Men
     Risk Takers
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/04/436b13aa0f9fb 

SWIMMING & DIVING

     Northwestern Returns to Pool For Double Dual
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/110305aab.html 

TENNIS

     Cristelle Grier Moves Into Round of 16 at the 2005 ITA National Indoor
Championships
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-tennis/recaps/110405aaa.html 
     + Senior escapes early exit (Women's Tennis) 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/04/436b14a8cc87b 
     + Results from the ITA National Indoor Championships
      http://www.collegetennisonline.com/view/news.aspx?nwId=20814 
     + Draws (w/ consolation)
      http://www.itatennis.com/05IndoorDrawsThurs2.pdf 

VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats' NCAA tourney hopes running dry 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/04/436b142f7adaa 

 MISCELLANY

     Story by NU Alum 
     Researchers develop new steroid test
 
http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2005/11/04/researchers_develo
p_new_steroid_test/ 
     Communication department renamed after alumni donors
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/04/436b1c35373da 

ALUMNI

     Jason Wright Berea Report: Third and Long
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=461616 

     PGA: [Links on Player's Name is their live scorecard] 
     Luke Donald 
      http://www.pgatour.com/players/scorecard/291587/r060/2005 

     Tied for 13th even at The Tour Championship
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r060 
     + US Tour 'need big rival'
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=ETEKT12XE4XKHQFIQMGCFFOAV
CBQUIV0?xml=/sport/2005/11/04/sgatla04.xml&sSheet=/sport/2005/11/04/ixgolf.html 

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  4 10:24:43 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri Nov  4 10:25:51 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
In-Reply-To: <005601c5e158$039c3e30$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <20051104162444.57142.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> I'm sure all the teams in the Big 10 have tried to shut down the run
> and make
> Baz beat them with his arm.

Yep. Football 101. You have to try to take something away, particular
against a team that can run and pass well. 

I'm not so sure how successful they really were at actually stopping
the run, but they certainly got us into positions where running wasn't
really an option. 
 
> What I think I saw of Michigan's D was a tremendous rush by the front
> 4 with a little LB help, but really just 4 guys coming hard. 

I forgot to mention that's the other thing I noticed watching the
tape--big time rush, mostly just from their front 4. So not only were
they able to get good pressure, but as Roy notes, they did it while
still having lots of guys back in coverage. That's a tough combination
to beat.

> pass, and given the guys wear their "stick-em" we should be able to
> move at will.

That's encouraging to hear. We definitely need a big supply of
"stick-em" though! :-)

What's the word on Iowa's offense? I know they struggled early, but
they seem to be doing better lately?

Tom

From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Fri Nov  4 10:30:12 2005
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Fri Nov  4 10:38:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE75B@goose.latimes.com>

I think we got ourselves into positions where we couldn't run -- e.g., the holding penalties in the second half.
 But I also think that the Sutton fumble in the first quarter was the turning point of the game -- that it totally changed the way our offense normally proceeds.
 Hoping for a better offensive result this week. The defense certainly did its part against Michigan; hoping for the same against Iowa.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:25 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Michigan comment


--- Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> I'm sure all the teams in the Big 10 have tried to shut down the run
> and make
> Baz beat them with his arm.

Yep. Football 101. You have to try to take something away, particular
against a team that can run and pass well. 

I'm not so sure how successful they really were at actually stopping
the run, but they certainly got us into positions where running wasn't
really an option. 
 
> What I think I saw of Michigan's D was a tremendous rush by the front
> 4 with a little LB help, but really just 4 guys coming hard. 

I forgot to mention that's the other thing I noticed watching the
tape--big time rush, mostly just from their front 4. So not only were
they able to get good pressure, but as Roy notes, they did it while
still having lots of guys back in coverage. That's a tough combination
to beat.

> pass, and given the guys wear their "stick-em" we should be able to
> move at will.

That's encouraging to hear. We definitely need a big supply of
"stick-em" though! :-)

What's the word on Iowa's offense? I know they struggled early, but
they seem to be doing better lately?

Tom

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov  4 10:38:43 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov  4 10:40:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
In-Reply-To: <20051104162444.57142.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c5e15e$3893c170$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Tate lost his big WR, but seems to have found another in TE Chandler.

Chandler is huge 6-7, almost played roundball, but chose the Hawks instead.

Their running game is 67th in the country, but they're making noises about
getting it going.

We outweigh them up front on D too.

Ferentz' son is the center?

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Tom Maycock
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:25 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Michigan comment
> 
> 
> --- Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm sure all the teams in the Big 10 have tried to shut 
> down the run 
> > and make Baz beat them with his arm.
> 
> Yep. Football 101. You have to try to take something away, 
> particular against a team that can run and pass well. 
> 
> I'm not so sure how successful they really were at actually 
> stopping the run, but they certainly got us into positions 
> where running wasn't really an option. 
>  
> > What I think I saw of Michigan's D was a tremendous rush by 
> the front 
> > 4 with a little LB help, but really just 4 guys coming hard.
> 
> I forgot to mention that's the other thing I noticed watching 
> the tape--big time rush, mostly just from their front 4. So 
> not only were they able to get good pressure, but as Roy 
> notes, they did it while still having lots of guys back in 
> coverage. That's a tough combination to beat.
> 
> > pass, and given the guys wear their "stick-em" we should be able to 
> > move at will.
> 
> That's encouraging to hear. We definitely need a big supply 
> of "stick-em" though! :-)
> 
> What's the word on Iowa's offense? I know they struggled 
> early, but they seem to be doing better lately?
> 
> Tom
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  4 21:10:30 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Nov  4 21:11:51 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Reminder
Message-ID: <20051105031030.71294.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, off to Evanston for the home finale after a long
week of class ... didn't get to the standings this
week. Sorry. But I also forgot to send out my picks
for the week. Remember to get yours in by kickoff
tomorrow.

Off the board first ...

* NORTHWESTERN 41, Iowa 31 -- The O returns and Baz
outscores Tate as the Cats rally to send out #14 and
#41 with the big finale they richly deserve. The
rested Hawks and Ferentz worries me ... but the O
can't have two bad games in a row, can they?

As for the games this week ...

* OHIO STATE 45, Illinois 3 -- The Illini D can't stop
anyone and the Bucks' O may be heating up for Michigan
and a Citrus Bowl battle.

* MICHIGAN STATE 37, Purdue 30 -- I really wanted to
pick Purdue to pull the upset and screw up MSU bowl
hopes (you just feel Tiller will nip someone and I
thought it'd be Wisky) but Purdue's O is too shaky.
MSU keeps those Motor City hopes alive!

* INDIANA 23, Minnesota 20 -- Hoosier bowl hopes get a
shot in the arm! Minny's a bad road team and coming
off a tough loss. The Hoosiers are tougher than folks
think. Hoeppner has done a heck of a job.

* PENN STATE 24, Wisconsin 19 -- Big game for a BCS
bid in Happy Valley (since both beat OSU in
tiebreakers) ... UW's physical style has given PSU
trouble ... but they won't win on Senior Day in Happy
Valley as JoePa's squad confirms their BCS status.

* VIRGINIA TECH 27, Miami 10 -- The more impressive
the wins get for VT, the more scared Texas should get
of how pathetic the Big XII is this year. Miami's got
a great D but a shaky O ... and Blacksburg under the
lights can be a bad place for a nervous O or punter.

* OREGON 31, California 22 -- If the Quacks win this
one at home, a 10-1 season and a trip to San Diego is
looking more likely.

* NOTRE DAME 35, Tennessee 10 -- Will the Irish ever
beat a top 25 team? Phat Phil and the Vols try and
pound the ball when the key to beating the Irish is
passing. I really, REALLY hope I'm wrong.

* COLORADO 42, Missouri 38 -- Somebody has to win the
North, right? And that ole rascal Barnett is there
again to take advantage of the mess.

* TEXAS A&M 35, Texas Tech 31 -- The Raiders are
overrated. The Aggies may be the only hope to stop the
Horns, but that's looking less and less likely too.

* FLORIDA STATE 21, NC State 9 -- The Noles' D holds
the Pack to field goals and that's the difference.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From warneradams at comcast.net  Fri Nov  4 23:03:39 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Fri Nov  4 23:04:21 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawkeyes
Message-ID: <200511050504.jA554Jbl012245@gw.tssi.com>

I am certain we will roll Iowa tomorrow.  It will be close at halftime but
our improved defense will stifle the Hawks as the game goes on.  Their
offense is limited to one good back (Young) and their tough tight end.  Sure
they move the ball but we have way too many weapons.  We will feed off of
the Michigan loss.  An extra week cannot prepare the Hawks for our wide-open
offense.  It's not a question of whether you can figure out how to stop us,
it's whether you have the athletes to do so. I Owe the World and Apology
certainly doesn't.

 

37-17.

 

 

From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 09:42:26 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  5 09:46:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Notes before the Evanston Drive
Message-ID: <8C7B036A7FF3698-F7C-116@FWM-R30.sysops.aol.com>

The spread today is close - most I have seen have moved from Iowa -2 to Iowa -3 (a little too much money falling on Iowa's side ?).  In the Sagarin numbers, we are actually about 5 points better than Iowa at home.  It would be good to see a very good effort out there.
 
Third down conversion rate in Division I is 40% (4562 out of 11385).  Our opponents are just about on that number - 47/119 or 39%.  The number is a probably a little bit skewed because Ohio U was 0-9.  We actually have improved this number in recent weeks - Our opponents were 28-65 (43%) in games 1-5, and only 19-54 (35%) in games 6-8.
 
Our seasonal total is good, 49-113 (43%).  However, we have dropped off substantially from weeks 1-5 (42-81, 52%) to the last three weeks, when we are only 7 of 32, for a pretty week 22%.  We didn't have many opportunities against the Spartans (2/5), but Purdue wasn't good (3/14) and Michigan was also bad (2-13).
 
You can't sustain those drives with 20% 3rd down conversion.  Any ideas on the fall-off ?  It can't all be 'better opponents', because we were 12 of 24 against Penn State and 8 of 12 against Wisconsin.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 14:32:31 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  5 14:34:04 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great victory
Message-ID: <247.57ffb2.309e70df@aol.com>

I hate Iowa and their obnoxious fans, this goes down as our biggest win  this 
year, I hope they enjoy the long ride back to the pig farms and corn  fields.
From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov  5 14:40:08 2005
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov  5 14:40:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] I turned the game off!!!!!
Message-ID: <86ad8486cb39.86cb3986ad84@columbus.rr.com>

I am SUCH an idiot!!!!

I turned off the game when Baz threw his INT with five minutes left. 
The next thing I know, my Dad calls me and says "good win."


Oh the agony!!!!

What happened?

Anyone have a tape?

Faithless in Columbus.

J.R.

From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sat Nov  5 14:51:36 2005
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sat Nov  5 14:56:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] I turned the game off!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <86ad8486cb39.86cb3986ad84@columbus.rr.com>
References: <86ad8486cb39.86cb3986ad84@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <436D1B58.3040505@mindspring.com>

jmccull@insight.rr.com wrote:

>I am SUCH an idiot!!!!
>
>I turned off the game when Baz threw his INT with five minutes left. 
>The next thing I know, my Dad calls me and says "good win."
>
>
>Oh the agony!!!!
>
>What happened?
>
>Anyone have a tape?
>
>Faithless in Columbus.
>
>J.R.
>
>  
>

I have to admit that I turned off my TV too.  However I remembered all 
of the previous miraculous wins and turned it back on.  My TIVO has more 
faith, though, and continued to record.

I'll  let the more literate list members describe it, I'm an engineer.

Clark Zahn

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 15:17:34 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Nov  5 15:17:37 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] good/better/bad news
Message-ID: <200511052117.jA5LHZ78027814@romaine.tssi.com>

The good news is that Northwestern played another 60-minute game with
possibly the best comeback this season.  (That _almost_ makes up for the
last minute loss to Penn State.   Naah, it really doesn't!)

The better news is that Northwestern is bowl-eligible and there were several
bowl reps at the game.

The bad news is that those reps got to watch the stands empty in the 4th
quarter, and the rain is only partially responsible.  

Now that the Cats have the 6-win bowl-eligible monkey off their backs, 
the rest of the season is now about IMPROVING what bowl they go to.  Next 
week's game in Columbus could be really interesting.  Go for it!

I really have to wonder about the wisdom of putting the defense on the
field first.  It's one of the worst in the nation while the offense is one
of the best.  Why lead with your weak suit and generally put yourself in a 
come-from-behind situation right out of the box?

Michigan State's bowl chances took a big hit today, now they need a win
against Minnesota or Penn State.  The former is shakey and the latter
is unlikely.
--
Mike Nolan

From DPENDERG at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 15:24:08 2005
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  5 15:28:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] I turned the game off!!!!!
Message-ID: <77.51678a22.309e7cf8@aol.com>

After what we have seen the Cardiac Cats do over the years, turn the set  
off???  I agree the Cats until the last three minutes looked just as  listless 
and unfocused as the Michigan game, but to their eternal credit, they  did not 
give up.  And, when Iowa missed a field goal that could have put it  away, the 
door was open and Basanez and company marched through it. The key  play, of 
course, was an onside kick that if Iowa had covered it, they could have  run out 
the clock.  Depending on what happens at the Shoe (and don't turn  off the 
television), this is really, I think, the biggest W of the season.   Playing so 
poorly but still pulling it out.  Among other things, that shows  a lot of 
character.  I understand that six bowl representatives were in  attendance today. 
 I think they liked what they saw. 
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 16:06:06 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Nov  5 16:06:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] I turned the game off!!!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511052206.jA5M66a8028564@romaine.tssi.com>

> >I am SUCH an idiot!!!!
> >
> >I turned off the game when Baz threw his INT with five minutes left. 
> >The next thing I know, my Dad calls me and says "good win."
> >
> >
> >Oh the agony!!!!
> >
> >What happened?

Our resident stream-of-consciousness reporter is probably just starting to
get his voice back, I'm sure he'll give another great on-the-scene report
when he gets back home.

The play-by-play on ESPN is rather drab, kind of like the first 55 minutes 
of the game.

I have one recommendation for you:  TIVO!

I'm going to have to miss the Illinois game in two weeks, because I'll be
en route back from Atlanta at the time.  You can bet your booties it'll
be TIVO'd here.  
--
Mike Nolan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 16:08:26 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  5 16:12:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] I turned the game off!!!!!
Message-ID: <1de.47add9be.309e875a@aol.com>

Sorry my DVD doesn't travel but there were some great late  plays.    After 
Tyrell Sutton shook of a tackler he scored on a  1-yard run to bring the 
Wildcats to within six with 2:10 remaining, Reggie  McPherson recovered the onside 
kick at the Iowa 47. That was one of the best  onside kicks I have ever seen.  
Maybe the biggest play was on second-and-2  at the 24, Basanez ran for 6 and 
Iowa committed a personal foul, putting the  ball on the 9. Iowa played dirty 
all day and that penalty along with a hold on  the last series made a big 
difference.  The winner was when Ross Lane  caught a 9-yard touchdown pass from 
Brett Basanez with 42 seconds. You were not  alone in your lack of faith, lots of 
NU fans bailed in the rain and fog, the  announcers made it clear that they 
were not impressed with the Wildcat  faithful.

From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Sat Nov  5 16:41:54 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Sat Nov  5 16:43:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] I turned the game off!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <1de.47add9be.309e875a@aol.com>
References: <1de.47add9be.309e875a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511051625120.7705@localhost>

> NU fans bailed in the rain and fog, the announcers made it clear that 
> they were not impressed with the Wildcat faithful.

I was one of the faithful still there.  I have to admit I kind of (only a 
little) gave up on the team after the INT and was *very* upset watching 
the subsequent plays.  When the D gave the O a chance to score I turned to 
my friends and noted "that we had better score, just to preserve our 
dignity," since so many fans had left already (in a light rain).

What I didn't count on was the incredible onside kick, and the ensuing 
drive for a TD.  I also didn't count on the incredible defensive stand at 
the end of the game for the win.

This counts as one of my favorite victories at Dyche Stadium, and I think 
I've been there for all of the greats save the 1995 season.

Brett Basanez came running out of the lockerroom (barefoot!) after the 
game while my fellow NUMBAlums and I were watching the band's postgame 
show.  He ran up onto the conductor's platform and immediately the band 
stopped playing what they were playing (ironically, the obligatory "salute 
to our opponents" Iowa fight song), and the band director and his 
assistants from the ground signalled "Go U".  Brett conducted a few bars, 
ran down off the platform, cheered with a bunch of folks on the field, and 
headed back to the lockerroom.

I'm still not sure what that was about but the assembled faithful loved 
it.  I hope that in the future there are more interactions between the 
band and the team.  I hope the team knows that in the band they've got 
150-180 people who live and die by what happens on the football field 
every Saturday, and a large group of alums who does the same.  Brett 
coming out there earned him a spot in my book as not only an excellent 
player for NU but someone who understands that his presence there on the 
platform made the day a hundred times better for those dedicated NU fans 
wearing the uniform of a Northwestern University Marching Band member.

I have often noted to people who aren't NU fans that you just can never 
count this team out, but this game was beyond that, I think.  There were 2 
or 3 minutes left and this team just strapped it on, on D and on O, and 
won the game.

Sidenote: I almost got in a fight with a crowd of Iowa fans in the stadium 
(after the game) who were harassing some random NU fan trying to get to 
the band's postgame show.  They were pretty upset with him (I assume just 
out of spite because of the loss), and I tried to calm the situation but 
really only succeeded in my calming rhetoric to piss them off even more. 
That was when the "calming rhetoric" went out the window.  About the time 
I was yelling "Get out of my stadium, and get out of my city", an Evanston 
Fire Department guy came sprinting up the stands to rescue me and the 
other guy, and I am still not sure if the Iowa fans were issued citations 
by the EFD guy's EPD buddies he was radioing to.  In any case, I'll 
reitierate my admiration and support of the EFD and EPD on Gameday - they 
have a tough job and do it very admirably given all of the stuff that goes 
on.

This was, for me, a defining moment in NU football.  Brett and the boys 
reached down deep and strove their best to pull out a win on a very 
difficult and (up to the time the game ended) demoralizing day.

I'm a little more confident in our ability to go to Ohio now - and I think 
these 'Cats have got to be riding on Cloud 9 after an incredible victory 
for Senior Day, securing the postseason, and overcoming a two-score 
deficit in the final 2 minutes of the game to pull out a Wildcat Win.

I hope this doesn't read as too sedate - I am flipping out and am on my 
way to join some fellow fans at Chicago's home of the Iowa Hawkeyes, Big 
City Tap - wearing all NU gear. ;-)

Go 'Cats!!! :) :) :) :) :) :)

Best,

Jonathan

From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 16:41:16 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  5 16:45:13 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] good/better/bad news
In-Reply-To: <200511052117.jA5LHZ78027814@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200511052117.jA5LHZ78027814@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <8C7B0712AAAA880-F7C-E4D@FWM-R30.sysops.aol.com>

 Just got back from Evanston - they did mention constantly (on the message boards) that some bowl representatives were there - the boards kept mentioning Cap-1, Outback and Music City.  My best estimate is that there may have been 35,000 fans in attendance (the end-zone was pretty empty, as were the ends of the west stands, especially the student section).  I am also estimating, but I would say the same bowl representatives saw 10,000-15,000 Hawkeye fans mixed in there.
 
As for the argument that our brand of Football is 'exciting', how can we only draw 25,000 NU fans on a warm (though drizzly) day in November ?  (The rain did not really turn steady until the second half)  Is it exciting but not compelling ?  The marketing team in the athletic office has A LOT of questions to answer.
 
Will the bowl reps remember a dramatic game, good comeback, lots of drama ?  Or will they remember 30 minutes of bad defense, and about 50 minutes of listless offense ?  Or will they remember 25,000 home fans and 10,000 Iowa fans ?  Lots of questions to answer.
 
>From a bowl standpoint, Indiana's loss to Minnesota (coupled with a future game against Michigan), gives them 5 losses (probably 6), and likely limits the conference to 8 bowl teams (with 7 tie-ins).  MSU's loss to Purdue might hurt them (4 losses), with remaining games at Minnesota and hosting Penn State.  At the beginning of the week, CBS had us missing a bowl (they only had 7 Big 10 teams going).  Maisel at ESPN had us in Nashville, as did Forde.  Where will we go (factor in attendance, history of travelling to bowls, TV markets), and where do people 'want' to go ?
 
Ohio is on top of Illinois 26-2 midway through the third.
 
Chuck Herron  Tech '85 
 
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From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:17:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] good/better/bad news


The good news is that Northwestern played another 60-minute game with
possibly the best comeback this season.  (That _almost_ makes up for the
last minute loss to Penn State.   Naah, it really doesn't!)

The better news is that Northwestern is bowl-eligible and there were several
bowl reps at the game.

The bad news is that those reps got to watch the stands empty in the 4th
quarter, and the rain is only partially responsible.  

Now that the Cats have the 6-win bowl-eligible monkey off their backs, 
the rest of the season is now about IMPROVING what bowl they go to.  Next 
week's game in Columbus could be really interesting.  Go for it!

I really have to wonder about the wisdom of putting the defense on the
field first.  It's one of the worst in the nation while the offense is one
of the best.  Why lead with your weak suit and generally put yourself in a 
come-from-behind situation right out of the box?

Michigan State's bowl chances took a big hit today, now they need a win
against Minnesota or Penn State.  The former is shakey and the latter
is unlikely.
--
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From johnl at mac.com  Sat Nov  5 16:51:42 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sat Nov  5 16:51:51 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] I turned the game off!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <77.51678a22.309e7cf8@aol.com>
References: <77.51678a22.309e7cf8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41eddf02130d54bcdb84da1ebee6e71d@mac.com>

This doesn't quite tell the whole come-from-behind story.  In fact, 
after Iowa missed the field goal that would have put them up 16, 
Basanez threw an interception on the ensuing drive, which appeared to 
be a game-ending turnover.  There were only 4 and half minutes left 
when Basanez threw the interception, and we were still down 13.

The defense then gave up one first down, but came up with a big stop 
and Iowa was forced to punt with 3:27 remaining.  Only THEN did Basanez 
and company take over, scoring a TD with 2:10 left and then another TD 
after we recovered the onside kick.



On Nov 5, 2005, at 3:24 PM, DPENDERG@aol.com wrote:

> ****

> And, when Iowa missed a field goal that could have put it  away, the
> door was open and Basanez and company marched through it. 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  5 16:56:18 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov  5 16:55:44 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] I turned the game off!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <86ad8486cb39.86cb3986ad84@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <007601c5e25c$22721e60$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

At the risk of irritating those who care little of my escapades in Delware....

My Youth football league team also had to come from behind in the final minutes
of the game today and used an on-side kick at the end.

We were down a TD with about 2 minutes left, and drove the field to take the
lead on an 11 yard run by our fullback which put us up by 6.

We then used an onside kick with about :40 left to get the ball back, then
scored on a 44 yard run to ice the game.

After that ending, nothing the Wildcats could have done today would have made me
turn off the TV.

BTW - we beat the dreaded Bears 54-42.

So much for my great defense.

Go Cats - Blast the Buckeyes

rsl



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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  5 17:03:20 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov  5 17:07:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] the most incredible, the most impossible,
	the most amazing . . .
Message-ID: <2499002.1131231801115.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

. . . game I've ever seen.  Things didn't look to good most of the contest, but then again, I didn't think things looked too great when we showed up wearing white pants for the first time since the Minnesota game three years ago.

The crowd in the stands where I was sitting (section 128) never gave up.  When we actually took the lead with 42 seconds to play, everyone was jumping up and down and giving hugs to complete strangers.  I hugged so many people that I ripped my poncho.  Like I care!  My friend Mark likes to wear a purple fedora to the games.  He got so excited that he tossed his hat into a far away group of fans, as he was perfectly willing to give up the fedora in the euphoria of the moment.

So, I attended two home games this season.  NU won both games, by scores of 38-37 and 28-27.  Wow!  -- Jim B.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  5 18:18:39 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov  5 18:17:49 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] the most incredible, the most impossible,
	the most amazing . . .
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Jim, you have to go to Ohio next week <g>

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bendat
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:03 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] the most incredible, the most 
> impossible,the most amazing . . .
> 
> 
> . . . game I've ever seen.  Things didn't look to good most 
> of the contest, but then again, I didn't think things looked 
> too great when we showed up wearing white pants for the first 
> time since the Minnesota game three years ago.
> 
> The crowd in the stands where I was sitting (section 128) 
> never gave up.  When we actually took the lead with 42 
> seconds to play, everyone was jumping up and down and giving 
> hugs to complete strangers.  I hugged so many people that I 
> ripped my poncho.  Like I care!  My friend Mark likes to wear 
> a purple fedora to the games.  He got so excited that he 
> tossed his hat into a far away group of fans, as he was 
> perfectly willing to give up the fedora in the euphoria of the moment.
> 
> So, I attended two home games this season.  NU won both 
> games, by scores of 38-37 and 28-27.  Wow!  -- Jim B.
> 
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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sat Nov  5 18:29:21 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Sat Nov  5 18:30:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] good/better/bad news
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Mike Nolan wrote:

>The good news is that Northwestern played another 60-minute game with
>possibly the best comeback this season.  (That _almost_ makes up for the
>last minute loss to Penn State.   Naah, it really doesn't!)
>
>The better news is that Northwestern is bowl-eligible and there were several
>bowl reps at the game.
>
>The bad news is that those reps got to watch the stands empty in the 4th
>quarter, and the rain is only partially responsible.  
>
>Now that the Cats have the 6-win bowl-eligible monkey off their backs, 
>the rest of the season is now about IMPROVING what bowl they go to.  Next 
>week's game in Columbus could be really interesting.  Go for it!
>
>I really have to wonder about the wisdom of putting the defense on the
>field first.  It's one of the worst in the nation while the offense is one
>of the best.  Why lead with your weak suit and generally put yourself in a 
>come-from-behind situation right out of the box?
>
>Michigan State's bowl chances took a big hit today, now they need a win
>against Minnesota or Penn State.  The former is shakey and the latter
>is unlikely.
>--
>Mike Nolan
>
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>  
>
With this offense, we should never, never defer after wining the toss.  
We should always take the ball, march down the field, hopefully, and 
lead the game off with a touchdown drive.  There is nothing better than 
to open the game by putting your opponent in a hole.  Since our defense 
has only shown fleeting moments, like on the last two Iowa possessions 
today thankfully, of being able to stop anyone, never start on defense.  
It just doesn't make sense.

That said, this was the best win of the year and sets up next week 
nicely giving the team a great confidence boost to go into the  Shoe.  
It was not only great to see a comeback in the last minutes but in front 
of 6 bowl reps according to the ESPN announcers.  The announcers were 
lousy but the HD pictures of Dyche/Ryan were great.  It was just a great 
day all around.  next week's game has been announced for ABC at noon 
eastern and appears to be a national telecast, not a regional one.  Is 
that correct?
Mark

-- 
Mark

Mark S. Ament
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 19:43:08 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  5 19:44:21 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] I turned the game off!!!!!
Message-ID: <1b8.1fa731c6.309eb9ac@aol.com>

I probably would have turned it off, but was in Vegas (where i had a few $ 
down on the Cats + 3)  there must have been 30 people screaming in the 
sportsbook when we recovered the on-side kick--Although 29 of them were happy because 
they had a chance to have NU beat the spread (i of course was thrilled at the 
almost guarantee of going somewhere in December for a bowl)--I was surpised at 
all  of the action on the game and that it didn't seem like anyone had taken 
Iowa--

Wow--3 heart throbbing games this year

Harry Kirsch
From tmcadams at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 22:46:24 2005
From: tmcadams at yahoo.com (Trey McAdams)
Date: Sat Nov  5 22:47:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Key to the game
Message-ID: <20051106044624.69249.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com>

The key to the game was the very smart veteran play of
the offense on the 2nd to last drive.

The key stats:
12 plays in 1:17 for 77 yards.


And....Walker didn't even call a bad timeout the whole
game.  Although, not calling a timeout to try to get a
review of Baz's 2nd interception was border line.


	
		
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Nov  5 23:12:52 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Nov  5 23:13:40 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] I turned the game off!!!!!
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You probably don't feel as bad as the hordes who left the stadium at that 
point, missing one of the greatest comebacks in 'Cats football 
history.  There were a bunch of us repeating the mantra, "You NEVER leave 
Ryan Field early!  You NEVER leave Ryan Field early!"

-Michael

At 11/5/2005 03:40 PM, jmccull@insight.rr.com wrote:
>I am SUCH an idiot!!!!
>
>I turned off the game when Baz threw his INT with five minutes left.
>The next thing I know, my Dad calls me and says "good win."
>
>
>Oh the agony!!!!
>
>What happened?
>
>Anyone have a tape?
>
>Faithless in Columbus.
>
>J.R.

From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Nov  5 23:24:58 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Nov  5 23:25:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] good/better/bad news
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At 11/5/2005 05:41 PM, cherron604@aol.com wrote:
>As for the argument that our brand of Football is 'exciting', how can we 
>only draw 25,000 NU fans on a warm (though drizzly) day in November 
>?  (The rain did not really turn steady until the second half)

The rain didn't even *start* until midway through the third.  It was a 
cloudy, but otherwise beautiful day for pre-game tailgating and the first 
half.  At kickoff, the west stands looked pretty pathetic from the east 
side, but they filled in nicely by midway through the opening quarter.  Of 
course, that included way too many bumblebees.

And at 11/5/2005 03:17 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote
>I really have to wonder about the wisdom of putting the defense on the
>field first.  It's one of the worst in the nation while the offense is one
>of the best.  Why lead with your weak suit and generally put yourself in a
>come-from-behind situation right out of the box?

But if we had taken the ball in the first, we wouldn't have had it to open 
the second, where we put together a rather nice scoring drive.  But in 
general, I agree with you.  It's easier to play from ahead than it is from 
behind, even if it is just one score.  This is two weeks in a row that 
we've gotten down 14-0 early, and three in a row where we've allowed a TD 
on the opening drive of the game.  I think if we win the toss at OSU, we 
need to take the ball.

From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Nov  5 23:31:00 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Nov  5 23:31:47 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] good/better/bad news
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At 11/5/2005 07:29 PM, Mark S. Ament wrote:
>next week's game has been announced for ABC at noon eastern and appears to 
>be a national telecast, not a regional one.  Is that correct?

It's regional, but ours appears to be the feature game.  It's still listed 
as TBA on the ABC web site, but on a promo during the PSU/Wisconsin game 
they had a Big XII game (Kansas @ Texas?) and maybe one other (an ACC game) 
listed in the fine print below "Ohio State vs Northwestern."

-Michael 

From Martinitis at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 00:09:27 2005
From: Martinitis at aol.com (Martinitis@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  6 00:13:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if..............
Message-ID: <197.4acb0899.309ef817@aol.com>

I know its very improbable, but does anyone know what would the tie-breaker  
be if Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin and NU tied for first place with 6-2  
records?
 
This assumes NU runs the table,  while Penn State is upset by Iowa,  and Ohio 
State beats Michigan. (As unlikely as this eventuality may seem, it  really 
only calls for 2 improbable results...the Ohio State loss to us and the  Iowa 
upset of Penn State.)
 
Anyhow; Penn State will have beaten NU and Wisky, NU will have beaten Ohio  
State and Wisky, and Wisconsin and Ohio State will have beaten none of the  
others tied for first place.
 
I doubt we could win on anything but a coin toss, but does anyone have any  
info or ideas??
 
 
Lou Martinaitis '69
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov  6 00:34:57 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov  6 00:34:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
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> I know its very improbable, but does anyone know what would the tie-breaker  
> be if Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin and NU tied for first place with 6-2  
> records?

I think the tie-breaks for the BCS slot are based on the BCS standings.

If past experience is any indication, the bowls will ignore any tiebreaks
in the conference standings and take who they want.  That tends to favor 
the biggest schools in the conference and those who have the reputation 
of travelling well.  
--
Mike Nolan

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 02:42:08 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  6 02:49:56 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS / Bowl shakeup Saturday ...
Message-ID: <20051106084208.5477.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, it certainly was a wild day. More on the game in
Evanston as I sift throught the messages and write the
Wildcat Wrap now that I'm back from Evanston. But
first to the bowl picture ...

The BCS was really shaken up today -- not at the top
of course, but with VaTech and UCLA going down, a lot
of scenarios need reworking. And in the end, this may
help the Big Ten.

First a look at the BCS contenders by conference ...

* Big Least: Winner gets in (undeservedly). No one
else.
* ACC: Right now, looks like the winner of Miami-FSU
#2 in the title game gets in and no one else has
enough to get in as an at-large bid with FSU's loss
today hurting.
* Big XII: Unless there's a monumental upset in the
title game, Texas is in and no one else is close.
* Pac 10: UCLA's loss hurt the case for a second bid.
Oregon may go 10-1, but won't get the extra BCS bid.
The league's only hope now is for UCLA to beat USC for
the automatic berth and SC to get in secondary.
* SEC: Georgia's loss last week hurt and with the SEC
east taking a hit this year, unless the Dawgs pull a
title game upset, it's the winner of the LSU/Bama game
getting the bid and the loser is in the running but
hurt by a late season loss.
* Big Ten: Penn State and Ohio State are coming alive
as strong candidates with fan support and finishing
the year strong. If PSU wins at MSU after the bye
week, they're in ... and if OSU beats NU and Michigan,
they're 9-2 and only lost to two top-5 teams in Texas
and PSU. Tough to ignore.
* Notre Dame: They're in now, though aside from
Michigan they haven't beaten anyone near the top 25.
The thinking was they could be headed to Tempe to face
PSU ... but if Miami were to win the ACC, it'll be
tough to resist matching these two.

Hence some new projections ...

* ROSE BOWL: USC vs. Texas - No question about it now.
Though if Bama beats LSU, Auburn and Georgia to end
the season, they'll have a strong argument (but so did
Auburn last year).

* FIESTA BOWL: Ohio State vs. West Virginia - The
Fiesta gets stuck with the Big Least again, but they
get their home-away-from-home Buckeyes back in town
with lots of scarlet and grey.

* SUGAR BOWL: Alabama vs. Penn State - A classic
rivalry renewed and what TV network could resist the
story of these two storied programs bouncing back. If
LSU wins the SEC (or Auburn), the pull isn't as
strong.

* ORANGE BOWL: Notre Dame vs. Miami - Another rivalry
renewed with lots of emotion on both sides.

And the Big Ten picture ...

* CITRUS: Wisconsin vs. Georgia - A rematch of last
year's Outback but with a bigger stage in Orlando.

* OUTBACK: Michigan vs. Florida - Should be a big draw
and a solid start to bowl day.

* ALAMO: Iowa vs. Texas A&M - I still like my "Texas
Tech vs. Northwestern - first one to 100 wins" idea
(NU vs. Colorado would be a hoot as well - for obvious
reasons), but Tech probably heads to the Cotton now
and NU still doesn't have the name and fans to get the
bowl they deserve.

* SUN: Minnesota vs. Oregon - UCLA's loss knocks the
Pac 10 down a notch and sends the Quacks here. I think
it's good we're ditching this and picking up Phoenix.

* MUSIC CITY: Northwestern vs. South Carolina - Cats
slip here (and Vandy came sooooo close vs. Florida to
winning and having a chance to make it NU-Vandy in the
Brains Bowl!) but it's probably better than facing the
Pac 10's #3 in the Sun Bowl or a Texas team in the
Alamo Bowl in terms of chances for a win. Spurrier vs.
Walker should at least produce some offensive sparks.

Purdue's upset of MSU really killed Sparty's bowl
hopes -- they need to win out at Minnesota and vs. a
rested PSU to hope for the Motor City (who would jump
for joy to get Sparty). And Indiana's loss to Minny at
home all but killed IU's bowl hopes. They can still
beat Purdoo at home to get to 5 wins, but a win at
Michigan is a loooong shot.

But the good news is that WE are bowl eligible and
with the league's 7 bowl ties, all but certain of
heading to the postseason for just the sixth time in
school history. Hopefully this time we can WIN!!!

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BUCKEYES!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 03:24:31 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  6 03:25:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511060634.jA66YvBd002519@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20051106092431.67042.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>

> > I know its very improbable, but does anyone know
> what would the tie-breaker  
> > be if Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin and NU
> tied for first place with 6-2  
> > records?
> 
> I think the tie-breaks for the BCS slot are based on
> the BCS standings.

I think the Big Ten still goes by the old rules ...

1) Head to head
2) Overall mark

In this case, head to head wouldn't work equally, so
by #2, OSU and NU would be eliminated (Texas and ASU
losses) and we'd go back to head to head PSU-UW. Ditto
for if Michigan beats OSU and gets in the tiebreak.

Pretty much, PSU has all the tiebreaks here unless
they somehow wind up in a tie with only Michigan ...
plus Lloyd Carr's :02. :)

> If past experience is any indication, the bowls will
> ignore any tiebreaks
> in the conference standings and take who they want. 
> That tends to favor 

I believe there is a clause in there somewhere about
being no more than 2 conference losses apart to jump
order (i.e. you can't take a 4-4 OSU over a 7-1 NU for
the Citrus), but yeah - pretty much it's up to the
bowls after that.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 03:46:55 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  6 03:48:02 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ...
Message-ID: <20051106094655.58005.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, we shouted "you NEVER leave Ryan Field early" at
those who left after Baz's INT with 5 minutes left.
(But yes, I was questioning how we'd win this one).

As for Ryan Field fans though - I just dunno what else
you can do to try and get fans there. You have Big Ten
football and a track record of thrilling finishes,
upsets and classic games.

Yes, NU has a long tradition of losing, but in the
last decade (and I'm using the Big Ten decade of 11
years :) ), consider what those of us who have been
loyal purple fans have witnessed at Dyche ...

1995
----
* Miami 30, NU 28 - Not a win, but one of the more
unlikely comebacks you'll see after we led 28-7 late.
That botched punt is still etched into my mind.
* NU 21, PSU 10 - Closer than the score - ABC under
the lights with Keith Jackson and we beat the
defending league champs and JoePa to gain national
respect
* NU 31, Iowa 20 - Again, this was a 4-point game
until Ismaeli's fumble return late on that cold day.

1996
----
* NU 17, Michigan 16 - Still the most unbelievable
comeback I have seen ... 16-0 well into the fourth and
we score a TD, two-point conversion and three field
goals to leave the Wolverine fans stunned.
* NU 26, Minnesota 24 - The Cardiac Cats begin
* NU 27, Illinois 24 - And strike again
* NU 27, Purdue 24 - And again

1997
----
* NU 24, Duke 20
* Rice 34, NU 30
* Wisconsin 26, NU 25 - Breaks went against us this
year -- especially D'Wayne's break :(
* NU 19, MSU 17
* PSU 30, NU 27
* NU 15, Iowa 14 - Six home games, 15 points
difference

1998
----
* Illinois 13, NU 10 - Those evil Illini draping our
statue with their flag still angers me!
* Michigan 12, NU 6 - The homecoming monsoon

1999
----
* NU 17, TCU 7
* NU 23, Iowa 21 - Walker's only win over the hated
Hawks ... until this weekend.:)

2000
----
* NU 54, Michigan 51 - Still the most unbelievable
game I've seen. WOW! We had more thrillers that year -
including the 47-44 win in Madison, but they were all
away from home. Still, 54-51 makes up for that.

2001
----
* NU 27, MSU 26 - Another wild finish and perhaps the
most unbelievable final 2 minutes until today
* NU 23, Minnesota 17
* PSU 38, NU 35
* Bowling Green 43, NU 42 - ouch

2002
----
* NU 26, Duke 21
* NU 41, Indiana 37
* Illinois 31, NU 24

2003
----
* Air Force 22, NU 21
* NU 16, Wisconsin 7
* NU 17, PSU 7

2004
----
* Arizona State 30, NU 21
* NU 20, Kansas 17
* NU 33, Ohio State 27 (OT) - Quite simply: Awesome!
* NU 31, Indiana 24 (2OT)
* NU 13, Purdue 10
* NU 28, Illinois 21 (OT) - Six games, a difference of
15 points at the end of regulation.

2005
----
* NU 38, NIU 37
* PSU 34, NU 29
* NU 51, Wisconsin 48
* NU 28, Iowa 27

If you can find a better place to watch exciting,
thrilling and nail-biting college football over the
last decade, let me know.

If fans aren't showing up -- their loss. And if
they're leaving early, what are you thinking!!! :) 

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 04:23:03 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  6 04:24:16 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] WILDCAT WRAP - NU 28, Iowa 27!
Message-ID: <20051106102303.10387.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com>

If Northwestern fans have learned anything from the
past decade of Wildcat football at Ryan Field, it
should be two things:

#1, you NEVER leave
#2, you gotta believe

Both philosophies were put to the test Saturday as for
the first 57 and a half minutes of the game, the
Wildcats seemed to be playing a repeat of the Michigan
game. The offense was lifeless, turnover prone,
committing stupid penalties to end any hopes of
getting a drive and not much was happening.

But in the final 2 and a half minutes, some of that
old Dyche Stadium magic was present as senior Brett
Basanez and the offense came alive in time to engineer
a 28-27 ?Cardiac Cats? style victory over Iowa. The
win made Northwestern bowl eligible and ensured that
for the third straight year, Coach Randy Walker?s team
would have at least six wins and a .500 or better
record in the conference.

Entering Ryan Field on Saturday was a world apart from
entering the stadium last week for the Michigan game.
The excitement in the air for homecoming was gone and
it was if the air had been let out of the place. The
student stands ? full a good hour before kickoff for
Michigan ? were almost empty and so was most of the
stadium. And the gray, overcast and misty November day
just summed up the mood. It was a Sleepy Hollow day
and the Wildcat offense picked up where it left off
last week against Michigan ? in mid slumber.

Iowa stormed out of the gate to drive down the field
for a 7-0 lead. Drew Tate was perfect on the drive and
the Hawkeyes never reached third down. The Cats
offense still seemed to think they were playing
Michigan on their first drive, with little running
game and receivers failing to help Baz out by dropping
passes. Iowa responded with another scoring drive
thanks to a short field and a miserable punt and it
was quickly 14-0 and not looking good for Wildcat
fans.

The Wildcats did score in the second quarter on a nice
third and long pass from Basanez to Shawn Herbert (the
middle was open all day ? we just dropped a lot of
home run balls or stopped running). But Iowa stormed
right back down the field and a helicopter dive by
Tate made the score 21-7 and took momentum away. Iowa
added a field goal before half after the NU defense
stood up in the red zone and it was 24-7 at the break.

Tyrell Sutton mustered a little offense in the third
and it was 24-14 heading into the fourth quarter when
things got wild. The weather was starting to play a
role with the mist and fog turning into moderate rain
(I have no idea why the lights were not turned on ?
yes, we don?t have a full set, but it was getting
pretty dark down there) and the NU offense was still
sputtering to get something started. After the
Hawkeyes again pinned the Cats deep, a Basanez
interception set up Iowa in the red zone with a chance
to put the game away.

But the defense held Iowa to a field goal. And a later
Hawkeye drive resulted in a missed 41-yard field goal.
Those were two HUGE stops for the defense. We didn?t
get a turnover on the day, but the defense came up big
in the second half by keeping this game within
striking distance.

All that was missing was the offensive spark to take
advantage of the defensive stops. But that was just
not there. Between the last two quarters of Michigan
and the first three and a half Saturday, the Wildcat
offense had looked about as bad as it could look with
ineffective play calling, poor execution,
self-inflicted wounds, drops and more. And when
Basanez threw his second interception with just over 5
minutes left in the game after the Cats had driven
inside the Iowa 40, the game appeared to be over and
many purple fans headed for the exits while the
bumblebees celebrated.

Speaking of which, I had forgotten what a pleasure it
is to host Iowa and Iowa fans at Ryan Field. They?re
certainly loyal, boisterous and support their team.
But they are crude and obnoxious as well (basically
Wisconsin fans without the cheese and brats 
 and that
doesn?t redeem them, but cheese and brats can go a
long way). They were making themselves at home,
confident of their victory and about to get the shock
of their lives.

The Cats ? in a smart coaching move ? had saved all
their timeouts and managed to force a punt. Basanez
quickly drove NU down the field (with the help of a
nifty quarterback draw) and Sutton punched it in to
make it a 27-21 game with just over 2 minutes
remaining.

And then came the onside kick. On a wet day, you can
hope for a fumble, but it?s tough to see an onside
kick converted on grass anymore without a turf bounce.
I?m not sure how the Cats did it, but Joel Howells got
a perfect bounce and Reggie McPherson snagged it out
of the air for the HUGE play. Basanez quickly drove NU
down the field again and found Ross Lane by the goal
post for the 28-27 lead with just under a minute left
on the clock. In les than 90 seconds, what was looking
like a disappointing home finale for Baz and the
seniors became a potential rally cry for the season
and showed that the Cats are capable of bouncing back.

There was still a lot of time left, but Iowa had
wasted its timeouts and the defense got a little
pressure on Iowa. When the Hawkeyes dropped 4th and 8
with :07 remaining, the comeback was complete and the
loyal NU fans in the stands went into a frenzy. Final
score, 28-27, CATS WIN!

Any season that has wins over Iowa and Wisconsin (our
two REAL rivals) is a good one! But this win is extra
sweet because it was a bounce back from the Michigan
loss (and from 57 minutes of terrible football). It
was a fitting salute to our seniors and a great way to
send them off in style. Now hopefully it turns into
something more ? like a win in Champaign, another In
Columbus and another in a bowl.

And the legacy these seniors leave? The Cats are now
eligible for the sixth bowl appearance in school
history ? the third in Randy Walker?s tenure as coach.
And for the third straight season, Northwestern will
have at least six wins and no worse than a .500 record
in the Big Ten conference. Those are BIG steps on
which to build a program.

It wasn?t a pretty day and for 57 minutes, it was an
ugly game ? but true Cats fans know that it?s never
over when you play the Cardiac Cats and the guts and
determination of this squad to bounce back and get the
rally is a testament to our players, coaches, program
and seniors. This was a big win!

GAME BALLS
* Brett Basanez ? With three minutes left in the game,
it looked as if Baz?s last home game would be one of
his worst and that much of the loss would be on his
shoulder. But in the last two minutes, Baz showed why
he is the Big Ten?s MVP by a long shot and still one
of the more dangerous quarterbacks in the country on a
bad day. He took some monster shots (some legal, some
cheap) and stood in there until the last nanosecond on
that winning TD pass to get the ball in there. It?s
going to be a shock next season to walk into Dyche
Stadium and not see #14 in command of the office.
* Reggie McPherson and the onside kick team ? Special
teams were a disaster for NU most of the day, usually
resulting in a 20-30 yard field position edge for
Iowa. But they came up BIG when it counted with one of
the better onside kicks I have seen executed (and I
can?t remember too many working at Ryan Field ? even
with all the comebacks there I the last decade). You
just don?t see that kind of bounce on grass usually,
and after it soared over the front line of Hawkeyes,
it still looked like it was headed to the second line
of gold and black until McPherson made an incredible
athletic leap to snag the ball.
* Tim McGarrigle and the defense ? Yeah, it was a
dismal opening half and they gave up a lot of yardage,
but they settled down nicely after the first quarter
despite being put in some poor field position by the
offense?s ineffectiveness and dreadful punting. After
three quick Iowa TDs, the D held the Hawks to only two
field goals the rest of the day and much like last
week, kept hope alive. This time, the offense was able
to wake up and snatch the win in time. And it seemed
like the PA announcer said Tim McGarrigle?s name every
other play. Once again, #41 was everywhere on the
field and showed why he will be sorely missed next
year. However, our linebacker tradition of the last
10-15 years looks to be in solid hands with Nick
Roach, who also made some nice plays.

THINGS TO WORK ON
* The opening drive ? Last year we wanted the ball
first, this year we defer. Which I generally agree
with because we?ve needed that drive out of halftime a
couple times this year and it sends a vote of
confidence to our defense. But it?s backfired the last
couple weeks as we start in a 7-0 hole by the time the
O gets the ball. Be aggressive - blitz or cover tight,
but you can't have no pressure AND a soft zone.
* Special teams ? Even before the rain came, the
punting was brutal and kickoffs weren?t much better.
Our kickoff returns never got past the 20 and we lost
the battle of field position all day. We can not do
that if we hope to stay even close in Columbus.
* Get Sutton started ? Yes, I know defenses are
stacking the box and keying on #19, but we have to
find ways to get him touches and get him going in the
game early and stick with the run even if we get
behind. In the fourth quarter, Sutton had two runs
(one with a couple nifty Play Station-worthy spins and
the other where he pushed the pile ahead 4 yards at
the end of the play) that reminded Wildcat fans that
even though #14 and #41 may be moving on, there will
be plenty of reasons to come back next year. It?s
going to be exciting to watch this kid develop over
the next few years.

AROUND THE LEAGUE
* PENN STATE solidified its hold on the BCS bid from
the league with a  whuppin? of Wisconsin. Now JoePa
has two weeks to prepare for a dangerous road game at
MSU in order to secure only the second Big Ten title
for PSU since they entered the league in 1993.
* OHIO STATE started slow but piled it on Illinois
late. Hopefully they?ll be looking ahead to the annual
mega-game in Ann Arbor when we visit next week but
still, with that D and the O gaining confidence, the
Bucks are making a solid case for a BCS at-large bid
if they can?t overtake PSU.
* PURDUE really put a dent in MSU?s bowl hopes with
the upset this week. You knew Tiller was gonna play
spoiler for someone ? thankfully it wasn?t us. Sparty
now needs to win at Minnesota or vs. PSU to get in to
the postseason and face yet another late-season
collapse after a promising start that included the win
at ND.
* MINNESOTA clinched bowl eligibility and all but
destroyed Indiana?s hopes to make it back to
postseason play for the first time in ages (Michigan
should take care of that officially next week when the
Hoosiers visit). Still, nice first season for Coach
Hoeppner. As for the Gophers, beating MSU at home and
Iowa on the road could improve their bowl status to as
high as the Alamo.

What a wonderful ? and typically Northwestern ? way to
end the season at home. Thank you seniors for laying
the foundation for building a winning program at
Northwestern with three straight 6-win seasons and
non-losing Big Ten marks. Sad to see the season over
already at home, but I doubt any of us expected 6-3 at
this point back in August and we now have a 12th game
(and all that extra practice) to look forward to!

Now don?t settle for just six wins ? get an upset in
Columbus next week and force the higher bowls to take
the Cats and let?s win that bowl game!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


		
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From JHCCLARK at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 05:25:19 2005
From: JHCCLARK at aol.com (JHCCLARK@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  6 05:29:12 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ...
Message-ID: <215.d6901b7.309f421f@aol.com>

I keep saying it and saying it [usually off-list, but once a year I make  
this contribution]...
 
The 11am starts kill attendance.
 
This is CHICAGO not Iowa City.  There are actually things to do on a  Friday 
night that don't shut down at 9pm. 
 
Unsure what the fix to this is [having the EST games start at noon, CST  
games at 3:30pm, making sure that there are always an even distribution of  
EST-CST games each weekend] but this is a major attendance killer.
 
Leaving early?  Fans do that everywhere, especially when you're  tired from 
the night before and miserable from the lack of decent play.   But having said 
that, it wasn't smart on their part.
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 07:32:03 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  6 07:35:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] vote for the CATS!!!
Message-ID: <257.55f249.309f5fd3@aol.com>

Starting at 10 am est log on to
 _http://espn.go.com/_ (http://espn.go.com/) 
put Pontiac in the search box and vote for our onside kick as the game  
changing play of the week
From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sun Nov  6 09:18:24 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Sun Nov  6 09:19:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if..............
In-Reply-To: <197.4acb0899.309ef817@aol.com>
References: <197.4acb0899.309ef817@aol.com>
Message-ID: <436E1EC0.2010606@insightbb.com>

Martinitis@aol.com wrote:

>I know its very improbable, but does anyone know what would the tie-breaker  
>be if Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin and NU tied for first place with 6-2  
>records?
> 
>  
>
First tie break for three way ties (or two way ties if the schools don't 
play) is overall records.  The next tie is to eliminate the most recent 
team going to the BCS bowl and then apply the tie break procedure to the 
remaining two teams.  Basically, I think PSU wins  all tie breaks 
because the Nits went undefeated in the non-conference while we and tOSU 
both lost one.
Mark

From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov  6 09:32:34 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov  6 09:33:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ...
In-Reply-To: <215.d6901b7.309f421f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051106100813.04aeb278@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

I agree that's part of it.  Of course, the 11am starts are for TV.  The 
conference essentially sacrifices some non-diehard gate receipts for the 
ability to get every game on television, even if it's just regional.  I 
still wonder why they can't make the starts 12:00 and 3:30 CT, like they do 
for the NFL.  Is it just because the college game tends to run a little 
longer than the NFL?

That raises an interesting hypothetical question, not that I think it would 
ever happen: Would it be worth it to give up/change one (or even both) of 
the two clock rules that allow NFL games to be shorter in order to change 
kickoff times?

(For reference, the differences are 1) College: 25-second play clock starts 
after the ball is set; NFL: 40-second play clock starts immediately at the 
end of the previous play, 25-second clock used after an administrative stop 
(penalty, timeout, change of possession, etc.); 2) College: Clock stops to 
move the chains on first down; NFL: First down has no effect on the clock; 
it stops/continues running based on the outcome of the previous play.)

There would have to be market research indicating that an hour difference 
in kickoff time would increase the gate, and of course you'd have to 
convince someone in the conferences that the theory was interesting enough 
to commission the research.  And there are big holes in the 
theory.  Michigan and dOSU fill their 100,000+ stadiums despite a huge 
chunk of their fans coming from major metropolitan areas with significant 
nightlife, although Minnesota's attendance struggles support the 
theory.  And Bloomington and Champaign can't fill ~65,000 seat stadiums 
despite being closer in demographics to Iowa City than to Chicago.

Unfortunately, I think that it's a very complex combination of history; 
affinity for the program among non-alums (public universities are, well, 
just that, and people get emotionally attached to them even if they never 
went there); marketing; current performance/record; availability of the 
product on TV (why go to an NU game when you can sit on the couch or go to 
a bar and watch every Big Ten team at once?); and yes, kickoff time.  And 
I'm sure there are other factors that I've missed.  And no, I don't have an 
answer to most of them.  :-)

-Michael

At 11/6/2005 06:25 AM, JHCCLARK@aol.com wrote:
>I keep saying it and saying it [usually off-list, but once a year I make
>this contribution]...
>
>The 11am starts kill attendance.
>
>This is CHICAGO not Iowa City.  There are actually things to do on a  Friday
>night that don't shut down at 9pm.
>
>Unsure what the fix to this is [having the EST games start at noon, CST
>games at 3:30pm, making sure that there are always an even distribution of
>EST-CST games each weekend] but this is a major attendance killer.
>
>Leaving early?  Fans do that everywhere, especially when you're  tired from
>the night before and miserable from the lack of decent play.   But having 
>said
>that, it wasn't smart on their part.
>_______________________________________________
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 09:53:49 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  6 09:54:53 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] good/better/bad news
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051106002523.04629e18@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
References: <200511052117.jA5LHZ78027814@romaine.tssi.com>
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Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511060753t592154dcu54ea154cd9f7bab5@mail.gmail.com>

The ABC coverage at noon next week is regional, although I do think
you are correct that our game will be the featured game (listed on top
of the rest of the regional games, if that means anything).  The
coverage map usually comes out on Monday or Tuesday.

On the bowl situation, if we do pick up one more win it virtually
guarantees NU a spot in at least the Music City or Sun bowls.  Right
now the 'Cats are one of 6 bowl eligible Big Ten teams.  There are 2
more needing one win (Michigan State, Iowa) who both face relatively
tough schedules the rest of the way (MSU faces PSU, Iowa faces
Wisconsin, and they both play Minnesota).  The fate of those 2 teams
plus Minnesota will have a bearing on where NU goes.  Most
importantly, though, the Wildcats can still have a good say in where
they go by picking up wins over the next 2 games.

Go 'Cats!!!
Jonathan


On 11/5/05, Michael Vance <michael.vance@att.net> wrote:
> At 11/5/2005 07:29 PM, Mark S. Ament wrote:
> >next week's game has been announced for ABC at noon eastern and appears to
> >be a national telecast, not a regional one.  Is that correct?
>
> It's regional, but ours appears to be the feature game.  It's still listed
> as TBA on the ABC web site, but on a promo during the PSU/Wisconsin game
> they had a Big XII game (Kansas @ Texas?) and maybe one other (an ACC game)
> listed in the fine print below "Ohio State vs Northwestern."
>
> -Michael
>
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 09:55:06 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  6 09:59:07 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ...
Message-ID: <21f.2049794.309f815a@aol.com>

My 2 cents
1)  We are small 17,000 compared to tOSU 50,000 or MSU 44,000 which  makes 
for a lot less alumni to pack the stadium, and a lot of our alums are from  grad 
schools.  Over 20 years I would think tOSU has 1,000,000 undergrad  alums to 
our 200,000.
2) Traffic and parking suck
3) We lose a lot
Hopefully something can be done about 2 &  3
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 10:04:44 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  6 10:05:48 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <20051106092431.67042.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <200511060634.jA66YvBd002519@romaine.tssi.com>
	<20051106092431.67042.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511060804r29c1b02cr62a208fa0c7c596@mail.gmail.com>

The Big Ten BCS representative is determined using the following order
(see this page:
http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html
for more information):

1. conference record
2. head-to-head victory
3. overall record
4. team that has not had the BCS/Rose Bowl bid in the longest

PSU holds all tiebreakers as long as it beats MSU to finish the
season.  If they lose that game, the winner of the Ohio State/Michigan
game would go (assuming OSU beats NU and Michigan beats Indiana). 
Those are the only teams that have the possibility of grabbing the BCS
bid right now.  Other teams could still tie PSU in the standings (NU,
Wisconsin) but do not hold the tiebreaker.

About the bowl picking order, as far as I know they can pick any
eligible team.  I have heard about a rule that they cannot pick anyone
with greater than one loss (overall) than the next team in the Big Ten
standings, but I have never been able to verify this rule.  It is
probably in the contracts with the bowls if it does exist, and
probably not widely publicized.

Jonathan

On 11/6/05, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I know its very improbable, but does anyone know
> > what would the tie-breaker
> > > be if Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin and NU
> > tied for first place with 6-2
> > > records?
> >
> > I think the tie-breaks for the BCS slot are based on
> > the BCS standings.
>
> I think the Big Ten still goes by the old rules ...
>
> 1) Head to head
> 2) Overall mark
>
> In this case, head to head wouldn't work equally, so
> by #2, OSU and NU would be eliminated (Texas and ASU
> losses) and we'd go back to head to head PSU-UW. Ditto
> for if Michigan beats OSU and gets in the tiebreak.
>
> Pretty much, PSU has all the tiebreaks here unless
> they somehow wind up in a tie with only Michigan ...
> plus Lloyd Carr's :02. :)
>
> > If past experience is any indication, the bowls will
> > ignore any tiebreaks
> > in the conference standings and take who they want.
> > That tends to favor
>
> I believe there is a clause in there somewhere about
> being no more than 2 conference losses apart to jump
> order (i.e. you can't take a 4-4 OSU over a 7-1 NU for
> the Citrus), but yeah - pretty much it's up to the
> bowls after that.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
>
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 10:21:12 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  6 10:50:43 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ...
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051106100813.04aeb278@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
References: <215.d6901b7.309f421f@aol.com>
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I know that the 11AM start hurts student attendance (although for my 5
years I was in NUMB, who has to leave at 7AM for those early starts). 
Students definitely take the opportunity to sleep in and especially
when the game is televised they have no real incentive to show up
unless the team is doing really well.  They seem to always show up for
the night games and have a good showing for the late afternoon games. 
Against Michigan they were turning people away 45 minutes before
kickoff, but against Iowa the student section only became about half
full half way through the first quarter and never filled beyond that. 
The administration has done a lot to try and boost student attendance
- including tacking on the $25 athletics fee onto tuition to allow
free attendance to all sporting events including football and
basketball.  I think that this has helped (no extra effort or cash is
needed - just show up on gameday) along with some contests and such to
get students to show up who maybe otherwise wouldn't, but many still
don't because of schoolwork or to sleep in.  The weather this past
week didn't help matters, but it wasn't that bad and was the last game
of the season.  I don't see the student attendance changing much in
the future due to the makeup and size of the student body (2/3 of the
undergrad students must show up to fill the 5,000 seat section, unlike
most Big Ten Schools where it only takes half or less of the student
body).  Hopefully with the team continuing to do so well students will
show up for some more games next season (unfortunately there will
still be games before school is in session that will drag in
attendance).

Jonathan


On 11/6/05, Michael Vance <michael.vance@att.net> wrote:
> I agree that's part of it.  Of course, the 11am starts are for TV.  The
> conference essentially sacrifices some non-diehard gate receipts for the
> ability to get every game on television, even if it's just regional.  I
> still wonder why they can't make the starts 12:00 and 3:30 CT, like they do
> for the NFL.  Is it just because the college game tends to run a little
> longer than the NFL?
>
> That raises an interesting hypothetical question, not that I think it would
> ever happen: Would it be worth it to give up/change one (or even both) of
> the two clock rules that allow NFL games to be shorter in order to change
> kickoff times?
>
> (For reference, the differences are 1) College: 25-second play clock starts
> after the ball is set; NFL: 40-second play clock starts immediately at the
> end of the previous play, 25-second clock used after an administrative stop
> (penalty, timeout, change of possession, etc.); 2) College: Clock stops to
> move the chains on first down; NFL: First down has no effect on the clock;
> it stops/continues running based on the outcome of the previous play.)
>
> There would have to be market research indicating that an hour difference
> in kickoff time would increase the gate, and of course you'd have to
> convince someone in the conferences that the theory was interesting enough
> to commission the research.  And there are big holes in the
> theory.  Michigan and dOSU fill their 100,000+ stadiums despite a huge
> chunk of their fans coming from major metropolitan areas with significant
> nightlife, although Minnesota's attendance struggles support the
> theory.  And Bloomington and Champaign can't fill ~65,000 seat stadiums
> despite being closer in demographics to Iowa City than to Chicago.
>
> Unfortunately, I think that it's a very complex combination of history;
> affinity for the program among non-alums (public universities are, well,
> just that, and people get emotionally attached to them even if they never
> went there); marketing; current performance/record; availability of the
> product on TV (why go to an NU game when you can sit on the couch or go to
> a bar and watch every Big Ten team at once?); and yes, kickoff time.  And
> I'm sure there are other factors that I've missed.  And no, I don't have an
> answer to most of them.  :-)
>
> -Michael
>
> At 11/6/2005 06:25 AM, JHCCLARK@aol.com wrote:
> >I keep saying it and saying it [usually off-list, but once a year I make
> >this contribution]...
> >
> >The 11am starts kill attendance.
> >
> >This is CHICAGO not Iowa City.  There are actually things to do on a  Friday
> >night that don't shut down at 9pm.
> >
> >Unsure what the fix to this is [having the EST games start at noon, CST
> >games at 3:30pm, making sure that there are always an even distribution of
> >EST-CST games each weekend] but this is a major attendance killer.
> >
> >Leaving early?  Fans do that everywhere, especially when you're  tired from
> >the night before and miserable from the lack of decent play.   But having
> >said
> >that, it wasn't smart on their part.
> >_______________________________________________
> >nwu-sports site list
> >nwu-sports@tssi.com
> >http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov  6 11:28:09 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov  6 11:28:57 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] WILDCAT WRAP - NU 28, Iowa 27!
In-Reply-To: <20051106102303.10387.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com>
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At 11/6/2005 05:23 AM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote:
>Both philosophies were put to the test Saturday as for
>the first 57 and a half minutes of the game, the
>Wildcats seemed to be playing a repeat of the Michigan
>game. The offense was lifeless

I have a minor disagreement with this assessment.  The touchdown drive that 
opened the second half was very well-executed and many of us in the stands 
thought at that point that we would see the second-half 'Cats of the 
Wisconsin and MSU games.  And we did have the one first-half TD as well.  I 
would say that they were inconsistent, but not lifeless.

>Entering Ryan Field on Saturday was a world apart from
>entering the stadium last week for the Michigan game.
>The excitement in the air for homecoming was gone and
>it was if the air had been let out of the place.

Weather, 11am kickoff, season fatigue (it was the sixth home game and 
people get tired), the letdown after last week, and the very real and 
warranted fear of a Ferentz-coached team with two weeks to prepare.  It was 
my fifth game in a row and, combined with the first two factors, even I was 
not as "up" as usual.

>The Wildcats did score in the second quarter on a nice
>third and long pass from Basanez to Shawn Herbert

>Tyrell Sutton mustered a little offense in the third
>and it was 24-14 heading into the fourth quarter when
>things got wild.

I like the "passing of the torch", with Herbert having the first TD and 
Philmore having a big day despite not seeing the end zone, but the young 
guys, Sutton and Lane, getting the rest of the scoring.  The only things 
missing were an early Philmore TD and some catches from Peterman.  He was 
not a factor yesterday for the first time in a while.

>And when
>Basanez threw his second interception with just over 5
>minutes left in the game

Someone who saw this on TV or has it on TiVO/tape: Where the heck was Baz 
throwing this one?  From the stands it looked like he underthrew the 
nearest receiver, the guy heading into the end zone, by at least ten 
yards.  It didn't look like a blown route to me, and I don't remember Baz 
taking a hit to cause the low pass.  I'd like to think that he didn't make 
that horrible a decision (although his first INT was pretty bad, 
too.)  What's the scoop?

>Final
>score, 28-27, CATS WIN!

This win was huge.  I've said before and I'll say it again: I did *NOT* 
want to go into Champaign needing a win to be bowl eligible.  (And yes, I 
would have assumed that if we couldn't beat Michigan or Iowa at home that 
we wouldn't have much of a chance against OSU in the 'Shoe.)  And even if 
we did win, a three-game skid before beating one of the more pathetic teams 
in Div I-A wouldn't exactly make a good impression on the bowl reps.

>Any season that has wins over Iowa and Wisconsin (our
>two REAL rivals)

I agree with you on Wisconsin, but I've had a hard time mustering up much 
hatred for Iowa since Hayden left.  You can't help but admire how Ferentz 
has brought the program back

There was one thing yesterday that stoked my fires against him.  My wife 
had told me by cell phone during the game about Baz' accusations of cheap 
shots by the Iowa D and the penalties and injury report support that 
contention.  Iowa got called for three personal foul penalties: roughing 
the passer, roughing the kicker, and the late hit on the final drive.  Plus 
Frederic Tarver left the game early because of a finger in the eye that 
left him with blurred vision.  You can only take a finger to the eye if a 
guy has his hands on or in your facemask.  I realize there is a lot of 
incidental contact of this variety in football, but there seemed to be a 
pattern in yesterday's game.

>And the legacy these seniors leave? The Cats are now
>eligible for the sixth bowl appearance in school
>history ? the third in Randy Walker?s tenure as coach.
>And for the third straight season, Northwestern will
>have at least six wins and no worse than a .500 record
>in the Big Ten conference. Those are BIG steps on
>which to build a program.

And they are hopefully enough to quiet the anti-Walker crowd for at least 
another year.  Even though RW's numbers would have gotten him fired by now 
at most big-time programs, the realistic assessment is that NU isn't a 
big-time program by those standards yet.  I expect general improvement 
year-over-year, with no major steps backward, but I don't think that we're 
to the point as a program where we can demand 8+ wins every season.  We're 
one more season away -- four consecutive seasons -- from where a winning 
non-conference record, being high in the second-tier of the conference, and 
the bowl eligibility that comes with those should be considered the norm, 
not the exception.

>* Special teams ? Even before the rain came, the
>punting was brutal and kickoffs weren?t much better.
>Our kickoff returns never got past the 20 and we lost
>the battle of field position all day.

You almost have to give a game ball to Iowa's kickoff unit.  Despite 
booting only one touchback, they never let us get beyond the 21 on kick 
returns.  I was amazed by their speed getting downfield and disrupting our 
blocking.

Also on the way home to Indy, I was listening to some ESPN radio pre-game 
coverage of Miami@VaTech, and they were talking about VaTech's special 
teams.  The things they were saying about Beamer's approach to special 
teams reminded me a lot of Barnett's days at NU, the last time that our 
special teams were very special.  Beamer and Barnett both coach (I assume 
GB is still doing this at CU) special teams themselves instead of having an 
assistant do it, and they create a culture where playing on special teams 
is a privilege that is earned by practicing and playing hard.  Considering 
how much of an effect special teams can have on momentum, I've always 
wondered why more coaches don't take that approach.

>* Get Sutton started ? Yes, I know defenses are
>stacking the box and keying on #19, but we have to
>find ways to get him touches and get him going in the
>game early and stick with the run even if we get
>behind.

One of the hallmarks of NUs past stud running backs is that they have 
gotten better as the game has gone on and they wore the opposing defense 
out.  It may be that Sutton doesn't have the strength to do that yet, being 
only a freshman, or it may be that the scheme this year coupled with the 
game situations we've been in have forced us to get away from the run 
more.  I'll be interested to see how much weight TS puts on in the off-season.

-Michael 


From herms at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  6 12:19:13 2005
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Sun Nov  6 12:19:43 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Baz's second interception
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051106105157.03e36fd0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F13E1521746432C6970CD84AE620@phx.gbl>

If I'm remembering correctly from what I saw on TV, Baz's second 
interception looked somewhat like the interception he had against Michigan, 
where Philmore had turned upfield, while Baz threw the ball underneath.  On 
the replay, Philmore threw up his hands as if to say "What the heck?" after 
he turned and saw the interception.  I'm not sure who misread the play.

Herman


From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov  6 14:44:03 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov  6 14:44:47 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Jason Wright
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051106154302.04526950@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

NU's own Jason Wright just got his first TD as a professional!

-Michael

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 15:00:08 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  6 15:01:10 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Rankings
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511061300l7174b09cp6e69277dcf85bec9@mail.gmail.com>

Northwestern AP: #25, Coaches: unranked (received 43 points).

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

The 'Cats are #18 in the Sagarin rating used by the BCS, so look for
another appearance in the BCS top 25 tomorrow in all probability.

College Football News has NU ranked #18 and still predicts a trip to
the Music City Bowl.

Jonathan

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 15:31:22 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  6 15:32:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270511060804r29c1b02cr62a208fa0c7c596@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051106213122.9240.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com>

> PSU holds all tiebreakers as long as it beats MSU to
> finish the
> season.  If they lose that game, the winner of the
> Ohio State/Michigan
> game would go (assuming OSU beats NU and Michigan
> beats Indiana). 

Not necessarily. If PSU, Wisconsin and the OSU/UM
winner all wind up 6-2 in league play - PSU still
goes. Head to head can't be used (everyone's 1-1 if
it's Michigan and OSU/UW never played), so you then
eliminate the team with the worst overall mark, and
OSU/UM both lost out of conference where PSU and UW
did not. So then you have PSU-UW and the Nits win.

The only way PSU loses this is if they lose, Michigan
wins out and no one else (besides Northwestern)
finishes 6-2. There is no way we can win the bid and
Michigan beat both PSU and NU. Stupid Wolverines.:)

But 6-2 would still be a nice finish - conference
co-title or not. GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BUCKS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 15:27:02 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  6 15:34:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ...
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051106100813.04aeb278@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <20051106212702.40502.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com>

> I agree that's part of it.  Of course, the 11am
> starts are for TV.  The 

Well, just because other towns aren't Chicago doesn't
mean there's nothing to do the night before a game.
Anyone who's been to Madison, Happy Valley or any
other Big Ten town knows that.:)

There are a couple factors. Being in a pro-sports city
hurts (ASU in Phoenix, Minnesota in the Twin Cities,
etc. also hurt to fill stadiums despite larger alumni
bases living closer). And our alumni base hurts too --
we're small and spread out (California and NY are
comprable to Illinois in terms of NU alums, right?).
And most Big Ten stadium student sections are larger
than our student body. As I tell my friend from
Madison - we have the best student support - by
percentage - in the Big Ten.:) We get 5000 of 8000 -
they get 12,000 of 40,000.:)

But the point I was trying to make was certainly that
the factor was not the product on the field. We've had
good home records, amazing upset wins and a flurry of
close, heart-stopping finishes at Ryan Field the past
decade (just when you think you've seen it all at a
Northwestern game, something new comes!).

Parking is tough - but no worse than Madison on
gameday. And we do have the "snobbery" aspect where
folks from Chicago will cheer for the state school
because they're a part of Illinois but a private
school presents an elite and non-inclusive aura for
non-alums.

Whatever the case, I really don't care much anymore
why the other fans aren't showing up. Would it be nice
to have a true home field edge instead of Wisconsin
and Iowa fans making Dyche their home away from home?
Yes. 

I have my tickets, I've been fortunate to watch the
amazing finishes of the past decade and I love the
cozy environment and beautiful campus surroundings. If
others don't want to come - their loss.

> That raises an interesting hypothetical question,
> not that I think it would 
> ever happen: Would it be worth it to give up/change
> one (or even both) of 
> the two clock rules that allow NFL games to be
> shorter in order to change 
> kickoff times?

My opinion - no. The play clock one maybe (though
you'd see a lot more penalties because teams,
officials, linesmen and more won't get in place in
time) ... but I love the rule to stop the clock to
move the chains. It leads to more of these exciting
finishes. If you wanted to make it only in the last
2:00 of the half, then I might support it ... but you
can't take it away. That's part of college football.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 15:50:00 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  6 15:51:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] WILDCAT WRAP - NU 28, Iowa 27!
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051106105157.03e36fd0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <20051106215001.12698.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com>

> I have a minor disagreement with this assessment. 
> The touchdown drive that 
> opened the second half was very well-executed and

Did we open the second half with the TD? I thought it
came later. I better check the tape. In any case, the
first TD was on 3rd and long and not really the result
of a long drive and the second one seemed a bit forced
as well. Perhaps I should have said "not clicking"
instead of "lifeless"

> I like the "passing of the torch", with Herbert
> having the first TD and 
> Philmore having a big day despite not seeing the end
> zone, but the young 
> guys, Sutton and Lane, getting the rest of the

I did too - Lane has come up with some big plays this
year and Sutton's final quarter (after disappearing
the previous 7) gave some nice hope for the future.
Those two consecutive spin moves on that one run just
left the crowd's jaw dropped. I have a feeling we have
a lot more jaw-dropping moves from #19 to come!

Now if Kim Thompson would have just continued running
on that early deep throw over the middle from Baz -
he'd have had a 70 yard TD and the game might have
been different early.:) The middle was open all day
for us. We just missed some deep balls.

> Someone who saw this on TV or has it on TiVO/tape:
> Where the heck was Baz 
> throwing this one?  From the stands it looked like

>From my seat, it looked like Baz put it in the middle
of his short and his deep route - dunno if it was
miscommunication or what, but it was about 5 yards
from each receiver. The first pick he just tried to
thread a needle and got burned.

But he certainly made up for it. That cheap shot on
his slide during the final drive wasn't that apparent
from the stands (a flag yes - but it didn't look as
nasty as it did on the ESPN highlights replay - OUCH!)
and he was about to be nailed when he threw the TD to
Lane but stayed in there as long as possible.

> >Final
> >score, 28-27, CATS WIN!
> 
> This win was huge.  I've said before and I'll say it
> again: I did *NOT* 
> want to go into Champaign needing a win to be bowl

Me either - the Illini have the capability to upset.

> >Any season that has wins over Iowa and Wisconsin
> (our
> >two REAL rivals)
> 
> I agree with you on Wisconsin, but I've had a hard
> time mustering up much 
> hatred for Iowa since Hayden left.  You can't help
> but admire how Ferentz 
> has brought the program back

True ... but then the fans show up. And the hate
returns quickly.:) Just like dOSU.

I know Illinois is our in-state rival and there are
feelings there. But Iowa has the city-country vibe and
has always been a little nasty. And Wisky has the
Chicago-Cheesehead carryover and brings the fans in as
well.

> There was one thing yesterday that stoked my fires
> against him.  My wife 

> guy has his hands on or in your facemask.  I realize
> there is a lot of 
> incidental contact of this variety in football, but
> there seemed to be a 
> pattern in yesterday's game.

Yup. And a lot of contact wasn't called (both ways)
all day, so I think Iowa wanted to come in physical
and the lack of flags just increased that as the game
went on.

> And they are hopefully enough to quiet the
> anti-Walker crowd for at least 
> another year.  Even though RW's numbers would have
> gotten him fired by now 
> at most big-time programs, the realistic assessment
> is that NU isn't a 
> big-time program by those standards yet. 

Exactly. Replace Walker with Bob Stoops, Steve
Spurrier or any genius you want and they'll have a
losing mark at NU after 5 or so years. Building a
program takes time. We're laying a good foundation
with these past three seasons (the lack of a bowl last
year really hurt though - stupid Hawaii!). Now we need
to get a bowl win and carry that over to Sutton's
success next year.

But remembering where we were in August - after losing
Loren Howard again, seeing our secondary take a big
hit and having no clue about who our running back
would be ... I would have been hard pressed to find
anyone (even me) who had us at 6-3 at this point. At
the end of September -- after that desert debacle vs.
ASU and the heartbreaker vs. PSU -- that number would
have been even smaller.

At the start of the year, I said that this was the
biggest question mark season I can remember at NU -- I
had little idea what to expect. I knew Baz was back
but had no idea he would be as good as he is. I had no
idea who we would find to be Walker's next 1,000
rusher when Jordan got hurt. I had no idea we could go
up against a schedule that featured eight teams who
were in the top 25 at some point this year and come
out with six wins.

So it's been a fun year. Yeah, the PSU loss still
stings (think where we could be if we had stopped that
4th and 15!) but overall I'll take it. We've been
right there in every game except ASU and Michigan and
won most of the close ones - a statement about the
team's leadership, character and attitude. Plus, any
season with wins over Wisconsin and Iowa is a good
one!

Still smiling ...

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BUCKS!!!
-SjT

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From warneradams at comcast.net  Sun Nov  6 16:15:10 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Sun Nov  6 16:15:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa Reflections
Message-ID: <200511062215.jA6MFlbl029993@gw.tssi.com>

My eight-month old daughter raised her record to 5-0 after Saturday's win.
The two games we went to where we got sitters (PSU and Michigan) were
losses.  I think we've learned our lesson.  She even has a road win (Purdue)
to her credit. 

 

After the initial onslaught our defense picked it up and played a better
game but the total yardage allowed was in line with every game this season
except Ohio.  That's pretty ugly.  It sure is nice to have the ball coming
out of the second half even at the expense of allowing the early touchdown.


 

We were graced by some nice Iowa fans in our section (126) but often it just
depends on who you have around you at a given game as to which team is more
obnoxious.  I always think Michigan fans are the worst visitors and Ohio
State the least gracious hosts.

 

Went out for a victory dinner Saturday and sat next to Jonathan Fields who
was having dinner with 6 Iowa fans from Des Moines.  We talked about the
game.  He is pretty beaten up at this point in the season and is having
trouble with his legs.  Cannot find the "extra gear".

 

After learning about the significance of "March of the Steel Men" from this
board last year I made to point it out to everyone in our section.  We
applauded the performance and also the "retiring" senior class as they were
introduced.

 

On to the Horseshoe.

 

David Warner

Evanston  

 

  

From warneradams at comcast.net  Sun Nov  6 16:19:18 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Sun Nov  6 16:19:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa info
Message-ID: <200511062219.jA6MJtbl030050@gw.tssi.com>

After 21 straight losses the Cats have now beaten Iowa 5 of the last 9 times
they've played.

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Sun Nov  6 16:28:55 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Sun Nov  6 16:34:02 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
Message-ID: <008c01c5e321$793e0220$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

OK I give up.  For seven years I've been trying to figure out whether Walker
is lucky or good. 
 
If good, you can just picture him drawing up the game plan.  We can't seem
to get the run going enough anymore to play a whole game of shootout and our
defense can't shut the other guys down, so what do we do?  We have to play
rope-a-dope.  Just enough to stay in the game, but not enough to force the
other guys to really take us seriously.  Then turn it on at the end when we
can steal the momentum and win with a knockout.  
 
Here's the plan.  We play terrible football the whole game.  We run on
obvious run downs.  We pass on obvious passing downs.  We make sure we
commit a penalty whenever we have a big gain.  Our defensive line doesn't
stop the run.  Our secondary lays off receivers standing at the first down
marker on third and long.  Our special teams let most of Iowa's drives start
at midfield.  We let Iowa feel good about themselves, but not run away with
the game.   
 
The clock continues to tick away through the game.  The players are getting
anxious, when will the coach turn us loose?  When will he let us start
playing? Just to make sure that Iowa hasn't sniffed out our plan, RW even
has our steady Eddie QB turn the ball over with under four minutes to play
and down two touchdowns by throwing it between the numbers of the defender.
It has to be so bad, so convincing, that the stadium starts to empty as even
the faithful give up hope.  That rain was also a nice touch.   
 
Can't you picture him on the sidelines quietly smiling as he sees Ferentz
and company celebrating after the interception?  Our kids are almost jumping
out of their skins.  I has to be now.  We can't wait any longer.  The coach
looks around and nods.  Yes.  Now.  Now we've got them where we want them.
Suddenly our defense is tackling.  We are putting pressure on the QB.  Iowa
has to punt, but no worries.  Iowa is up by 13 and still feels secure.  NU
has no time outs, only 3:20 to play, and we have converted only one 3rd down
the whole fourth quarter.  Iowa is thinking game over, but they don't
realize that we have a plan and it is just starting to unfold.  NU converts
three straight third down plays and has the ball on the Iowa 16 with only a
minute off the clock.  Iowa has to take a time out to convince themselves
that they haven't just walked into a trap, but it just keeps getting worse.
Two plays later Sutton is in the end-zone and NU has lined up for the
onsides kick that everyone knows is coming.  This is no big deal.  This is
all part of the plan.  NU executes it just like it was drawn up.  They could
do this on every kick off if they wanted to.  Now Iowa knows that they have
been had by RW's rope-a-dope game plan.  NU finally shows the full package.
We don't even need to pretend we need a third down.  Seven plays later,
we're in the end-zone and up by a point with a whole 30 seconds left on the
clock.  Perfection!  The defense does the obligatory mop up with all sorts
of pressure on Tate and it's just another day at the office - 28-27.  
 
Or else he's just lucky.
 
In either case, it was an unbelievable win and as I said early this season,
whether lucky or good, getting six wins this season should earn Walker a
contract at NU for as long as he wants to coach.  
 
Jeff

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov  6 17:03:59 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov  6 17:02:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
In-Reply-To: <008c01c5e321$793e0220$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c5e326$5f62cca0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I consider Randy a football genius because of 

#3 - he seems to be able to get much out of kids who were not as highly
recruited as other head coaches.

Walker always talks about character and heart. When his teams don't win, he
sometimes talks about it "not being our team" out there. He won't say it, but
its pretty clear that what he means is that somehow they lost heart during the
game, which is hard to get back in a 5 minute half time speech.

I've been doing a few Scout.com related radio shows lately, and they always ask
about Walker - is he that good, etc., and they ask about his recruiting
technique. After you mention the challenges, you drop back to his technique of
telling the recruits that he plans to try to find another kid who is even better
to challenge them the next year. What he's doing is telling the prospects that
he expects them to play at their top game for 4 or 5 years and in return he'll
help them become as good as they can, and help them earn a top flight education.

The kids who think they're a lock for the NFL blow that kind of talk off, but
the smart ones know and understand what RW is talking about. 

Many fans dump on Walker because of play calling, defensive sets, etc. but what
they don't understand is that Walker lets his assistants put those plans
together, then he and the assistants work thru the plans and try to make them
better. During the game he lets those assistants call the plays from up top, and
chimes in when he has something to say. Meanwhile he's prowling the sidelines,
watching, listening, and discussing. 

He pats the kids on the back, tries to pick them up when there's a problems,
rags on the refs.

What I've never seen on TV is him giving a player a hard time for making a
mistake. [Yes I know there are reports of negative locker room events, but those
are always from someone with an anti-Walker axe to grind and virtually always
2nd or 3rd hand.]

Some of you guys almost had me convinced that RW was done a year or two ago, but
I kept saying that RW would finish out his contract thru 2007. Now I'm not so
sure that I won't retire before he will.

Go Cats - Blast the Buckeyes

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:29 PM
> To: NU Sports List (NU Sports List)
> Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
> 
> 
> OK I give up.  For seven years I've been trying to figure out 
> whether Walker is lucky or good. 
>  
> 


From warneradams at comcast.net  Sun Nov  6 18:04:56 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Sun Nov  6 18:05:34 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
Message-ID: <200511070005.jA705Xbl031910@gw.tssi.com>

Congratulations to Randy Walker on a third straight 6 win season.  The last
time it happened Dapper Dick Hanley was the coach and NU was finishing
back-to-back Big Ten titles in 1930-31.  The 1930 squad ran up 7 straight
wins before dropping the season-ender 14-0 to Notre Dame.  The next year,
the Cats had an incredible non-conference schedule (by today's standards) as
they hosted and defeated Nebraska (19-7) and UCLA (19-0) sandwiched around a
0-0 tie with Notre Dame at Soldier Field.  The Cats then swept 5 straight
Big Ten contests before dropping their finale to Purdue (7-0).

 

Northwestern has posted its best record for a decade, thus far, (33-36-0
.478) than in any previous decade since 1940-49 when Pappy Waldorf and Bob
Voigts combined to go 42-44-3(.489).

 

Keep it going, beat OSU!

 

David Warner

Evanston

From NEONRye at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 18:45:01 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  6 18:55:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
Message-ID: <24d.6c0363.309ffd8d@aol.com>

I like to go back to Bill Parcells:   "You are what your record  says you 
are."  And right now, we are a good, gritty team, which has pulled  out more 
close wins this year than has given away close losses.  Other than  the Penn State 
game, what game(s) should we have won?  I would have liked  to have beaten 
Michigan, but we were outplayed that week (and possibly  outcoached, as their 
Defensive Coaches did a marvelous job and their players  executed the game 
plan).  If we go 1-1 the next 2 weeks, we finish 7-4--the  same record that we had 
my freshman and sophomore years at NU (1970 &  1971).  The only difference--in 
those days we had no Citrus (Capital One),  Outback, Music City, Motor City, 
Alamo, etc., to go to.  We are doing just  fine, thank you.  And if we finally 
win a bowl this year, RW will have his  recruiting "cookie" to dangle to 
every recruit.  So let's go Cats, lets  really boost the program for the next 5 
years by finishing strong.
 
Paul Levinson
From bkaiser at heartoftn.net  Sun Nov  6 15:22:12 2005
From: bkaiser at heartoftn.net (Bradley G. Kaiser)
Date: Sun Nov  6 19:45:12 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Music City Bowl Opponents
Message-ID: <20051106212212.GA919@fisher>


Stephen Truog writes:

>> * MUSIC CITY: Northwestern vs. South Carolina - Cats
>> slip here (and Vandy came sooooo close vs. Florida to
>> winning and having a chance to make it NU-Vandy in the
>> Brains Bowl!) but it's probably better than facing the
>> Pac 10's #3 in the Sun Bowl or a Texas team in the    
>> Alamo Bowl in terms of chances for a win. Spurrier vs. 
>> Walker should at least produce some offensive sparks.

I'm of course watching this possibility intensely down here
in Nashville :-).  South Carolina may not be our most likely
opponent.  They still have Florida (Spurrier vs. Florida is
going to be an interesting storyline) and Clemson (Spurrier
vs. Bowden, again) on their schedule, so they may not get
to seven wins, though they're already bowl-eligible, of
course.

If Tennessee wins v. Memphis and @Kentucky (as they should),
and Vanderbilt beats Kentucky at home (as they should), the
Tennessee vs. Vanderbilt winner will have six wins and be
bowl-eligible.  I think the Music City Bowl may well take
that team over South Carolina for the obvious reason that
they'll sell a whole lot more tickets to UT or even Vanderbilt
fans than they will to South Carolina fans.  Either of those
teams in the MuCB is probably guaranteed to sell 30,000
tickets.  UT, even in a bad year (for them), can probably
sell 40,000.

Vanderbilt vs. NU would be the battle of two brainy schools
that do things the right way, and the battle of two NFL-quality
quarterbacks.  (Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler is their answer to
Brett Basanez.  Their receivers and backs aren't as good as
ours, but their defense is probably better.)

UT vs. NU would the '97 Citrus Bowl rematch, without Peyton
Manning (except maybe in the stands).  If we can bring our
"A" game, I can easily see us beating the Vols.  They're really
struggling this year, especially on offense.

Brad Kaiser
(bkaiser@heartoftn.net)


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 19:45:32 2005
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sun Nov  6 19:46:44 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa, attendance and more
Message-ID: <20051107014532.37298.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com>

Catching up on a ton of posts here -- took me a day to
recover from the latest Cardiac Cats effort!!

1) On Iowa: The old dislike for Iowa was rooted, for
me, in equal dislike for the detestable Hayden Fry,
the least likable BT coach in my memory (though Mike
White was close) and for the violently annoying
Bumblebee fans. 

Now Ferentz, while still arrogant and chilly, is no
Fry. The Iowa fans are still the pits -- when NU beat
Iowa in wrestling in January, nothing was more
delightful than the stunned expressions of the
Bumblebees -- but overall Iowa had slipped on the hate
meter ...

... until Saturday. The constant cheap shots, the
blows to the head, the late hits, Chad Greenway's
victory dance on the sideline with 3:50 or so to play,
and the fact that Basanez, a pretty level-headed guy,
hardly a hothead, would call out Iowa on its
misbehavior reminded me, once again, that Iowa is the
most classless team in the conference.

I'd still rather beat Illinois -- for me, they are
always the rival, without exception -- Wisconsin and
(because I live in Pennsylvania) Penn State, but I
have had generally good experiences with Illini fans;
I have worlds of respect for Wisconsin's program and
coaches and I love their hearty, happy, fun-loving
fans; and generally classy Penn State is impossible to
hate (unless you're a Pitt fan, and then's it's in
your genes). In short, these are worthy foes, due some
respect.

None of that is true with Iowa. This is a classless
bunch from start to finish, worthy of nothing but
disdain, despair and defeat. Let's hope Bucky Badger
and Goldie Gopher hammer the Hawkeyes, thus keeping
the RVs parked in the cornfields in late December and
January, and leaving the Bumblebees with bitter
memories of miserable losses to their two hated
archrivals and NU (whom they simply can't stand to
lose to) in their black little hearts to chill their
spirits during the long, dark, cold winters out there
on the windswept frozen prairie.

2) On attendance: Mr. Clark is absolutely right about
11 a.m. starts. They are killers. 

But there's something else: single-game tickets that
cost $50! NU's season tickets are an excellent deal at
$28 (or so) but the single-game tickets are a ripoff.
$50 is a lot of money -- if you want to take your
kids, that's a small fortune (yes, I know end zone
seats are cheaper, but who wants to sit down there?).
$50 does not include parking, sodas, hot dogs, coffee,
programs, peanuts ... you get the idea.

I understand the thinking is to drain Badger and
Wolverine and Hawkeye fans' pockets, which I have no
problems with in the slightest. If there was a way to
just charge visiting fans $50 while charging locals
and casual NU fans $35, that'd be ideal, but it can't
be done.

Since the product on the field has not been an issue
the last three seasons -- NU has been competitive and
exciting (the latter in spades) -- I conclude the
attendance problems arise off the field: marketing,
parking (not much to be done about that, I fear), 11
a.m. starts (NIU was well-attended and a 4 p.m.
start), and $50 seats.

3) Terrific posts on the game by everybody -- thanks
for the wonderful reading, all! All I want to add was:

a) I thought Battle played a solid game at CB; b)
watching the dominating McGarigle is so much like
watching Fitz in '95 and '96 it's scary; it's almost
like a clone of Fitz is wearing #41; c) the
much-maligned (usually deservedly so) d-line played a
very creditable fourth quarter; was conditioning a
factor?; d) I'd like to see more student-body left
toss sweeps with Sutton; our WRs are excellent
blockers and these plays would allow Sutton to turn
the corner with a head of steam and run in space; e)
I'd kill to have Iowa's kick coverage teams; and f) as
much as I loved Zak Kustok, Brett Basanez has shown me
even more leadership and moxie than Kustok did as a
senior, and deserves every accolade he gets. I never
expected anything out of this season; instead, we have
a bowl game, whereas in 2001, while I know there were
many other factors, I expected much and was left with
some of the most dreadful losses I have experienced as
an NU fan (Penn State, Bowling Green, Indiana). We
have three more games to enjoy Basanez and McGarigle;
treasure every minute of them, as these kids are
special.

4) on the Big Ten: I careth not that NU is eliminated
from the BCS-berth chase. All I know is that if NU
wins out and Michigan State can rally and defeat Penn
State NU will have (a share of) its fourth Big Ten
championship since 1995. And that is JUST fine with
me, thank you!!!

Brad Wilson




 

 

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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Sun Nov  6 20:21:04 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Sun Nov  6 20:26:18 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
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Slow down there big fella.  

No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P. might have a bone
to pick with you.

First of all, not including this year, RW's record from 2000-2004 is 27-33
(.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533
my gosh a winning record!).  Alex turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make
their combined six year total for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!).
Even if NU goes 3-0 the remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for
this decade so far 36-36 (.500).  Close but no cigar.

Jeff
    
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Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football

Congratulations to Randy Walker on a third straight 6 win season.  The last
time it happened Dapper Dick Hanley was the coach and NU was finishing
back-to-back Big Ten titles in 1930-31.  The 1930 squad ran up 7 straight
wins before dropping the season-ender 14-0 to Notre Dame.  The next year,
the Cats had an incredible non-conference schedule (by today's standards) as
they hosted and defeated Nebraska (19-7) and UCLA (19-0) sandwiched around a
0-0 tie with Notre Dame at Soldier Field.  The Cats then swept 5 straight
Big Ten contests before dropping their finale to Purdue (7-0).

 

Northwestern has posted its best record for a decade, thus far, (33-36-0
.478) than in any previous decade since 1940-49 when Pappy Waldorf and Bob
Voigts combined to go 42-44-3(.489).

 

Keep it going, beat OSU!

 

David Warner

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From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov  6 20:32:57 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov  6 20:33:12 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
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OK, this tie-breaking discussion is getting complicated.  For some 
reason, I can recall debates about how this procedure works going years 
back, when the question can be answered by referring to the rules (see 
link below).  But it turns out that this year, at least, this procedure 
is a bit more complicated than I thought.

It turns out that if there's a tie, the BCS bowls will get to pick 
which Big Ten team they want.  Who knew that?  Read on to learn more.

There was some suggestion in some of the earlier posts that the BCS 
bowls gets to pick their team from the Big Ten or that ranking in the 
BCS determines the Big Ten representative.  I thought this was 
incorrect.  It was my understanding that the Big Ten gets to pick its 
automatic BCS representative using whatever procedure it chooses, and 
it has chosen to use its own set of tie-breaking procedures.  The only 
exception to the normal tie-breaking rules, to my knowledge, was if one 
of the teams tied for the Big Ten championship was ranked #1 or #2 in 
the BCS, in which case that team would get the automatic bid and play 
in the national championship game, regardless of the normal 
tie-breaking procedures.

But in fact, the Big Ten's tie-breaking procedures are ONLY for use in 
years when the Rose Bowl is NOT the national championship game and the 
Big Ten winner, therefore, goes to the Rose Bowl.  Hence, the set of 
tie-breakers that we're familiar with only applies for selecting a Big 
Ten team for the Rose Bowl, not for any other BCS bowl, like this year.

Check out the rules at the following link:

http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html

According to those rule:
  "In years that the Rose Bowl hosts the national championship game and 
the Conference champion is not ranked No. 1 or No. 2, the champion or 
co-champion will be available for selection by the Orange, Sugar, 
Fiesta, or other bowls designated for inclusion in the BCS."

That's the scenario this year.  So in theory, if there's a tie between 
PSU and Michigan, for instance, a BCS bowl could pick PSU if it wanted 
to, even though the normal Big Ten tie-breaking procedures would pick 
Michigan.  Or in a tie between PSU and OSU, a BCS bowl could pick OSU.  
Interesting that the commentators haven't talked about this, but 
they're not really good at reading fine print until a bowl makes a pick 
they don't expect.

The rules then go on to say:

"If the champion or co-champion is not ranked No. 1 or 2, that team 
shall participate in the Rose Bowl in years when the Rose Bowl is not 
hosting the national championship game as follows: [then the 
tie-breaking procedures are spelled out]"

That's not this year.  But for the heck of it, if you were to apply the 
regular tie-breakers, here's the analysis that would apply:


First, to return to the original question:  If there's a four-way tie 
between PSU, OSU, NU, and Wisconsin, the answer would be simple:  PSU 
would get the Rose Bowl bid.  That's because you use the head-to-head 
tie breaker first and PSU beat all three of the other teams.  It 
doesn't matter that OSU and Wisconsin didn't play each other.  They 
each lost to PSU, so PSU gets the nod.  (See tie-breaking rule 7(a).)

Second, if there's a three-way tie between PSU, Wisconsin, and Ohio 
State, the answer would again be simple:  PSU would get the Rose Bowl 
bid.  See above.  (See tie-breaking rule 6(a).)

Third, if there's a three-way tie between PSU, Wisconsin, and Michigan, 
it's a little more complicated.  The head-to-head doesn't work because 
each team beat one of the other two but lost to one of the other two, 
as well (i.e., their each 1-1).  So as Stephen points out, Michigan is 
eliminated because they have the lower overall record, and then PSU 
beats Wisconsin head-to-head.  (See tie-breaking rule 6(d).)

Again, the previous three paragraphs of analysis do not apply to this 
year, but it's the way the normal tie-breakers would play out, if they 
applied.  Presumably the BCS bowls would consider these tie-breaking 
principles in making their decision, but not necessarily, I don't 
suppose.


On Nov 6, 2005, at 3:31 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

>> PSU holds all tiebreakers as long as it beats MSU to
>> finish the
>> season.  If they lose that game, the winner of the
>> Ohio State/Michigan
>> game would go (assuming OSU beats NU and Michigan
>> beats Indiana).
>
> Not necessarily. If PSU, Wisconsin and the OSU/UM
> winner all wind up 6-2 in league play - PSU still
> goes. Head to head can't be used (everyone's 1-1 if
> it's Michigan and OSU/UW never played), so you then
> eliminate the team with the worst overall mark, and
> OSU/UM both lost out of conference where PSU and UW
> did not. So then you have PSU-UW and the Nits win.
>
> The only way PSU loses this is if they lose, Michigan
> wins out and no one else (besides Northwestern)
> finishes 6-2. There is no way we can win the bid and
> Michigan beat both PSU and NU. Stupid Wolverines.:)
>
> But 6-2 would still be a nice finish - conference
> co-title or not. GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BUCKS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 20:41:41 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  6 20:42:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa, attendance and more
In-Reply-To: <20051107014532.37298.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com>
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Great post, Brad. Lots to respond to ...

> 1) On Iowa: The old dislike for Iowa was rooted, for
> me, in equal dislike for the detestable Hayden Fry,

I found Hayden fun in a cartoon villain way. Kinda
like SEC fans feel on Spurrier, I guess. And yes, it
was fun fun fun to beat Hayden!

> ... until Saturday. The constant cheap shots, the
> blows to the head, the late hits, Chad Greenway's
> victory dance on the sideline with 3:50 or so to
> play, and the fact that Basanez, a pretty 

That caught my ear too -- I didn't expect it from Baz
and didn't see too much from the stands. But from the
replay, I can hear why he's upset. It makes me wonder
what else went on down on the field.

> I'd still rather beat Illinois -- for me, they are
> always the rival, without exception -- Wisconsin and
> (because I live in Pennsylvania) Penn State, but I

After the Illini planted their flag around Hannibal,
my hate grew for them -- but I just don't think a lot
of that rivalry hate is there because a lot of
students didn't grow up in Illinois (you're PA, I'm
WI). But if the Illini return to form and bring their
fans in droves to get the state school/private school
vibe going again, I can see it heating up in a hurry.

> I have worlds of respect for Wisconsin's program and
> coaches and I love their hearty, happy, fun-loving
> fans; and generally classy Penn State is impossible

PSU fans are the friendliest I've found, bar none. As
for Wisconsin, I give them props on supporting their
team, clapping in unison better than any fans around
and making Camp Randall a true home field edge -- but
they can be just as rude, crude and obnoxious as the
Iowa fans and like the bumblebees, they come to our
house in droves. Like I said, the culinary delights of
my home state (brats, cheese, cheese curds, cheese
puffs, cheese sticks, fried cheese, cheese balls,
cheese slices, cheese wraps, etc.:) ) make up for a
lot but not enough. A hearty GO HOME! is in order for
both.

> 2) On attendance: Mr. Clark is absolutely right
> But there's something else: single-game tickets that
> cost $50! NU's season tickets are an excellent deal

Good point.

> a) I thought Battle played a solid game at CB; b)
> watching the dominating McGarigle is so much like
> watching Fitz in '95 and '96 it's scary; it's almost

Yup - he's fun to watch. If we could only have 11
McGarrigles ("mini Fitz" as I've taken to calling
him), we'd be set on D. And while we're not exactly
PSU's Linebacker U. yet, I see a nice tradition at LB
being built for the Cats -- Sutter, Fitz, Napo, Durr,
McGarrigle, Roach, etc. Now work on the D-line
(another Matt Rice would be great!!) and secondary
(again, with all our wideouts, we should be able to
find some cover corners!).

> factor?; d) I'd like to see more student-body left
> toss sweeps with Sutton; our WRs are excellent

Definitely! He still looked hesitant from that
Michigan fumble in the first half but when we ran that
one sweep the second half and he saw the hole and cut
up in an instant, you could feel Sutton's confidence
coming back.

> I'd kill to have Iowa's kick coverage teams; and f)

Amen! They were hitting HARD as well - I'm thankful
one didn't pop loose.

> much as I loved Zak Kustok, Brett Basanez has shown
> me
> even more leadership and moxie than Kustok did as a
> senior, and deserves every accolade he gets. I never

Which - if there is justice in this world - should be
a Silver Football and the Big Ten MVP award. Michael
Robinson and AJ Hawk will be contenders, but no person
has meant as much to his team's success this year.

> We have three more games to enjoy Basanez and
> McGarigle;
> treasure every minute of them, as these kids are
> special.
> 
Definitely. #14 and #41 are class acts and special
kids. I dunno if either will make it in the pros, but
I'm glad they went out in style on Senior Day!

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BUCKS!!!
-SjT

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From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov  6 21:03:45 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov  6 21:03:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ...
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I agree that OSU clearly has many more alumni than we do, but I think 
you've got your numbers a little out of whack here.

We have fewer than 2000 students per class.  So over 20 years, we would 
graduate a little over 35,000, not 200,000.  And OSU does have 50,000 
students, but that's undergrad and grad school.  They only have about 
35,000 undergrads, and a six-year graduation rate around 65%.  So that 
yields 35000(.65)/6=3800 graduates per year or about 75,000 over 20 
years, not a million.

But it's not just alumni in Columbus who are Ohio State fans.  
EVERYBODY in Columbus is an Ohio State fan.  Plus, most alums live in 
Ohio.  It's hard to explain if you haven't lived in a town like 
Columbus where everyone is a fan of the local college team.  The only 
exceptions, probably, are people who graduated from Michigan, and few 
of them would choose to live in Columbus.  I clerked for a federal 
judge in Columbus, for example.  Everyone I know who worked at the 
courthouse was an Ohio State fan to some degree, and most of them had 
not attended Ohio State.  One guy in the clerk's office wore Ohio State 
ties every single day, but didn't attend Ohio State.  And the OSU media 
coverage was unbelievable.  It was always the lead story on the news (I 
don't mean during the sports segment, I mean at the beginning of the 
news) on game day and often leading up to game day.

I've heard that 8 Big Ten schools have larger alumni association 
chapters in the Chicago area than NU does.  I don't find that hard to 
believe, but it brings the point home about how spread out our alumni 
are.


On Nov 6, 2005, at 9:55 AM, MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:

> My 2 cents
> 1)  We are small 17,000 compared to tOSU 50,000 or MSU 44,000 which  
> makes
> for a lot less alumni to pack the stadium, and a lot of our alums are 
> from  grad
> schools.  Over 20 years I would think tOSU has 1,000,000 undergrad  
> alums to
> our 200,000.
> 2) Traffic and parking suck
> 3) We lose a lot
> Hopefully something can be done about 2 &  3
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov  6 21:32:31 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov  6 21:47:33 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
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At 11/6/2005 06:03 PM, Roy Lamberton wrote:
>What I've never seen on TV is him giving a player a hard time for making a
>mistake. [Yes I know there are reports of negative locker room events, but 
>those
>are always from someone with an anti-Walker axe to grind and virtually always
>2nd or 3rd hand.]

I've never seen him giving a kid a hard time in the form of yelling at 
him.  But he has not hesitated to bench Sutton for a drive or two after a 
fumble.  I know he did it against both teams from Michigan.

I don't remember well enough from previous years whether he did this with 
other backs or not.  It wasn't an issue with Noah; he never fumbled, at 
least not his senior year.  So going back to Jason Wright and DA2, did he 
do that?  And if asked, is it "punishment" or is it "giving a guy time to 
get his head screwed back on."  Does the difference just depend on the player?

-Michael 

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov  6 22:27:40 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov  6 22:27:44 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ... (fwd)
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> I agree that OSU clearly has many more alumni than we do, but I think 
> you've got your numbers a little out of whack here.
> 
> We have fewer than 2000 students per class.  So over 20 years, we would 
> graduate a little over 35,000, not 200,000.  And OSU does have 50,000 
> students, but that's undergrad and grad school.  They only have about 
> 35,000 undergrads, and a six-year graduation rate around 65%.  So that 
> yields 35000(.65)/6=3800 graduates per year or about 75,000 over 20 
> years, not a million.

I think your numbers are on the low side.  NU admits about 1800 freshmen
a year, 90% of whom graduate.  That means about 1600 new alumni per year.

Let's assume they average living 50 years from when they graduate,
that would mean there are around 80,000 living alumni, just counting
those who only did their undergraduate work at Northwestern.  I think
the number I've seen published for living alumni including graduate and 
professional schools is in the 120,000 range.  

By comparison, Ohio State graduates around 9600 students a year (bachelors,
masters and PhD), so using the same 50 year period as for NU there are 
probably around 480,000 living OSU alums.  

However, I would guess that more than half of the OSU alums continue to 
live within 6-8 hours of Columbus while Northwestern alums, since they
have a wider geographic diversity in the first place, are much more 
dispersed.

As I live in a college football town myself, I am very familiar with 
the extent to which the football team can dominate the local social scene,
even among non-alums.  (In Nebraska's case, it dominates the whole state 
since UNL is the only 1-A team in the state.)

Most of the major football schools are not located in major metropolitian
areas (ie 2 million or more).  The biggest exceptions are probably USC 
and UCLA, and neither school is exactly a big draw in the LA area.  
The Coliseum has an official capacity of 92,000 but they averaged 85,229 
last year.  Yes, USC drew a school and conference record 511,000 fans 
last year, but only 345,000 in 1999.  The Rose Bowl also seats over 90,000 
but UCLA's average season attendance is usually around 55,000-60,000 and 
they have had only only season where their average attendance has been 
above 70,00 once, in 1998.
--
Mike Nolan

From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov  6 23:15:21 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov  6 23:15:37 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ... (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511070427.jA74ReeJ029435@romaine.tssi.com>
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For one thing, I was just calculating something different.  I was  
estimating how many undergraduate degrees would be awarded over a  
20-year span, and you estimated how many living alumni there are for  
each school.

For OSU, there are somewhere between 300 and 400 thousand living  
alumni.  According to the first link below, there are "more than  
300,000 living alumni" and according to the second link, there are  
"nearly 400,000 living alumni."

http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/school-bio/osu-welcome.html

http://www.osu.edu/dosomethinggreat/index.php

But you're right.  I underestimated the number of degrees awarded each  
year.  After some digging, I found that OSU awarded 8500 bachelor's  
degrees in the last academic year.  I think my estimate was off because  
I multiplied the graduation rate by the current enrollment, but  
obviously, some of those who will not graduate are already no longer  
students.  For my calculation to have been accurate, I would have  
needed to multiply the graduation rate by the sum of the number of  
students in each incoming class for the last six years, not by the  
number of current students.

Your calculation is a bit high because you fail to take into account  
that 50 years ago, OSU wasn't as big as it is today.

http://www.ureg.ohio-state.edu/ourweb/srs/srscontent/degree/ 
degintro.html

Northwestern is conferring a total of about 5500 degrees a year  
(including 2000 undergrad) compared to OSU's 12000 total degrees (and  
8500 undergrad).

http://www.ugadm.northwestern.edu/freshman/facts/

Well, no matter how you want to explain it, I think the point is that  
next week's game in the Shoe is going to be a bear.




On Nov 6, 2005, at 10:27 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:

>> I agree that OSU clearly has many more alumni than we do, but I think
>> you've got your numbers a little out of whack here.
>>
>> We have fewer than 2000 students per class.  So over 20 years, we  
>> would
>> graduate a little over 35,000, not 200,000.  And OSU does have 50,000
>> students, but that's undergrad and grad school.  They only have about
>> 35,000 undergrads, and a six-year graduation rate around 65%.  So that
>> yields 35000(.65)/6=3800 graduates per year or about 75,000 over 20
>> years, not a million.
>
> I think your numbers are on the low side.  NU admits about 1800  
> freshmen
> a year, 90% of whom graduate.  That means about 1600 new alumni per  
> year.
>
> Let's assume they average living 50 years from when they graduate,
> that would mean there are around 80,000 living alumni, just counting
> those who only did their undergraduate work at Northwestern.  I think
> the number I've seen published for living alumni including graduate and
> professional schools is in the 120,000 range.
>
> By comparison, Ohio State graduates around 9600 students a year  
> (bachelors,
> masters and PhD), so using the same 50 year period as for NU there are
> probably around 480,000 living OSU alums.
>
> However, I would guess that more than half of the OSU alums continue to
> live within 6-8 hours of Columbus while Northwestern alums, since they
> have a wider geographic diversity in the first place, are much more
> dispersed.
>
> As I live in a college football town myself, I am very familiar with
> the extent to which the football team can dominate the local social  
> scene,
> even among non-alums.  (In Nebraska's case, it dominates the whole  
> state
> since UNL is the only 1-A team in the state.)
>
> Most of the major football schools are not located in major  
> metropolitian
> areas (ie 2 million or more).  The biggest exceptions are probably USC
> and UCLA, and neither school is exactly a big draw in the LA area.
> The Coliseum has an official capacity of 92,000 but they averaged  
> 85,229
> last year.  Yes, USC drew a school and conference record 511,000 fans
> last year, but only 345,000 in 1999.  The Rose Bowl also seats over  
> 90,000
> but UCLA's average season attendance is usually around 55,000-60,000  
> and
> they have had only only season where their average attendance has been
> above 70,00 once, in 1998.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 23:17:25 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  6 23:18:34 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ... (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511070427.jA74ReeJ029435@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20051107051725.26295.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com>

> Most of the major football schools are not located
> in major metropolitian
> areas (ie 2 million or more).  The biggest
> exceptions are probably USC 
> and UCLA, and neither school is exactly a big draw
> in the LA area.  

Plus - lest we forget - LA does not have an NFL team.
So they get all the media coverage for LA sports in
the fall while we're sharing sports section space with
the Bears, the friggin' Irish, the Illini, the Big Ten
as a whole and others.

There are a lot of factors. Another one to consider:
Maybe we're winning too much.

We'll never be Chicago's team -- but in 1995, we were
Chicago's darlings. It was a great story and everyone
was at least curious as to whether NU would win that
week and keep the miracle season alive (though I don't
remember any game besides PSU -- maybe Wisky -- that
was a sellout and tough to get a ticket to from
scalpers).

Now it's become common to have the Cardiac Cats pull
an upset or two each year. And bowl bids aren't a
once-in-a-lifetime rarity. 

USC needed a 30-some game winning streak to capture
LA's attention. We needed a Cinderella story season to
turn heads in Chicago. It'll be interesting to see
what happens once USC's streak ends and they have a
season like, say, Oklahoma this year. I know the fans
in Norman will be there whether the team is 11-0 or
7-4. I'm not so sure about those in Southern
California.

Again, I'm not complaining about the problem - I'm
glad we're making winning less of a novelty:) and fans
who don't want to take advantage of Ryan Field and its
streak of fantastic finishes are missing out - their
loss. 

I'm just suggesting that success might be one of the
many reasons -- along with small, spread-out alums,
ticket prices, kickoff time, major city, etc. -- that
we're not filling the seats.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  6 23:48:23 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov  6 23:52:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
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It's a two step process. First, the Big Ten has its tie-breaking 
procedures to determine who the conference rep to the BCS major bowl 
shall be.  Then, the second step is that the three bowls (other than the 
Rose Bowl) will decide which one of them takes that pre-determined Big 
Ten rep.  It's that simple.  -- Jim B.

John Labbe wrote:

> OK, this tie-breaking discussion is getting complicated.  For some 
> reason, I can recall debates about how this procedure works going 
> years back, when the question can be answered by referring to the 
> rules (see link below).  But it turns out that this year, at least, 
> this procedure is a bit more complicated than I thought.
>
> It turns out that if there's a tie, the BCS bowls will get to pick 
> which Big Ten team they want.  Who knew that?  Read on to learn more.
>
> There was some suggestion in some of the earlier posts that the BCS 
> bowls gets to pick their team from the Big Ten or that ranking in the 
> BCS determines the Big Ten representative.  I thought this was 
> incorrect.  It was my understanding that the Big Ten gets to pick its 
> automatic BCS representative using whatever procedure it chooses, and 
> it has chosen to use its own set of tie-breaking procedures.  The only 
> exception to the normal tie-breaking rules, to my knowledge, was if 
> one of the teams tied for the Big Ten championship was ranked #1 or #2 
> in the BCS, in which case that team would get the automatic bid and 
> play in the national championship game, regardless of the normal 
> tie-breaking procedures.
>
> But in fact, the Big Ten's tie-breaking procedures are ONLY for use in 
> years when the Rose Bowl is NOT the national championship game and the 
> Big Ten winner, therefore, goes to the Rose Bowl.  Hence, the set of 
> tie-breakers that we're familiar with only applies for selecting a Big 
> Ten team for the Rose Bowl, not for any other BCS bowl, like this year.
>
> Check out the rules at the following link:
>
> http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html
>
> According to those rule:
>  "In years that the Rose Bowl hosts the national championship game and 
> the Conference champion is not ranked No. 1 or No. 2, the champion or 
> co-champion will be available for selection by the Orange, Sugar, 
> Fiesta, or other bowls designated for inclusion in the BCS."
>
> That's the scenario this year.  So in theory, if there's a tie between 
> PSU and Michigan, for instance, a BCS bowl could pick PSU if it wanted 
> to, even though the normal Big Ten tie-breaking procedures would pick 
> Michigan.  Or in a tie between PSU and OSU, a BCS bowl could pick 
> OSU.  Interesting that the commentators haven't talked about this, but 
> they're not really good at reading fine print until a bowl makes a 
> pick they don't expect.
>
> The rules then go on to say:
>
> "If the champion or co-champion is not ranked No. 1 or 2, that team 
> shall participate in the Rose Bowl in years when the Rose Bowl is not 
> hosting the national championship game as follows: [then the 
> tie-breaking procedures are spelled out]"
>
> That's not this year.  But for the heck of it, if you were to apply 
> the regular tie-breakers, here's the analysis that would apply:
>
>
> First, to return to the original question:  If there's a four-way tie 
> between PSU, OSU, NU, and Wisconsin, the answer would be simple:  PSU 
> would get the Rose Bowl bid.  That's because you use the head-to-head 
> tie breaker first and PSU beat all three of the other teams.  It 
> doesn't matter that OSU and Wisconsin didn't play each other.  They 
> each lost to PSU, so PSU gets the nod.  (See tie-breaking rule 7(a).)
>
> Second, if there's a three-way tie between PSU, Wisconsin, and Ohio 
> State, the answer would again be simple:  PSU would get the Rose Bowl 
> bid.  See above.  (See tie-breaking rule 6(a).)
>
> Third, if there's a three-way tie between PSU, Wisconsin, and 
> Michigan, it's a little more complicated.  The head-to-head doesn't 
> work because each team beat one of the other two but lost to one of 
> the other two, as well (i.e., their each 1-1).  So as Stephen points 
> out, Michigan is eliminated because they have the lower overall 
> record, and then PSU beats Wisconsin head-to-head.  (See tie-breaking 
> rule 6(d).)
>
> Again, the previous three paragraphs of analysis do not apply to this 
> year, but it's the way the normal tie-breakers would play out, if they 
> applied.  Presumably the BCS bowls would consider these tie-breaking 
> principles in making their decision, but not necessarily, I don't 
> suppose.
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2005, at 3:31 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
>
>>> PSU holds all tiebreakers as long as it beats MSU to
>>> finish the
>>> season.  If they lose that game, the winner of the
>>> Ohio State/Michigan
>>> game would go (assuming OSU beats NU and Michigan
>>> beats Indiana).
>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. If PSU, Wisconsin and the OSU/UM
>> winner all wind up 6-2 in league play - PSU still
>> goes. Head to head can't be used (everyone's 1-1 if
>> it's Michigan and OSU/UW never played), so you then
>> eliminate the team with the worst overall mark, and
>> OSU/UM both lost out of conference where PSU and UW
>> did not. So then you have PSU-UW and the Nits win.
>>
>> The only way PSU loses this is if they lose, Michigan
>> wins out and no one else (besides Northwestern)
>> finishes 6-2. There is no way we can win the bid and
>> Michigan beat both PSU and NU. Stupid Wolverines.:)
>>
>> But 6-2 would still be a nice finish - conference
>> co-title or not. GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BUCKS!!!
>> -SjT
>>
>> * * * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog@yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!!
>>
>>
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 00:06:41 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov  7 01:11:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051106222828.03dd8250@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
References: <008c01c5e321$793e0220$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
	<007a01c5e326$5f62cca0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20051106222828.03dd8250@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511062206q5354c75cme0cb5c23a041f8a5@mail.gmail.com>

I know from comments Walker has made that he really enjoys coaching
the college players because he can really help them develop themselves
on and off the field, and I believe he has done so in his career thus
far at Northwestern.  A lot of players have developed to a lot more
than what was expected by the recruiting gurus, and quite a few have
gone on to play at the next level.  Northwestern graduates more
players than almost every other school at our level, with the
graduation rate at or above that of the general student population. 
Not only that, but he has also produced a Big Ten title, and now 4 6+
win seasons and most likely a third bowl berth to his tenure here. 
He's done what was expected of him and more, and I expect that he will
stick around longer as well.

I am also glad that the University administration has stuck with him
despite some down years (2001 and 2002) and has given him a chance to
fully implement his system and to develop the players he brings in. 
It is nice to see some continuity in a game that sees major coaching
changes annually.

Jonathan

On 11/6/05, Michael Vance <michael.vance@att.net> wrote:
> At 11/6/2005 06:03 PM, Roy Lamberton wrote:
> >What I've never seen on TV is him giving a player a hard time for making a
> >mistake. [Yes I know there are reports of negative locker room events, but
> >those
> >are always from someone with an anti-Walker axe to grind and virtually always
> >2nd or 3rd hand.]
>
> I've never seen him giving a kid a hard time in the form of yelling at
> him.  But he has not hesitated to bench Sutton for a drive or two after a
> fumble.  I know he did it against both teams from Michigan.
>
> I don't remember well enough from previous years whether he did this with
> other backs or not.  It wasn't an issue with Noah; he never fumbled, at
> least not his senior year.  So going back to Jason Wright and DA2, did he
> do that?  And if asked, is it "punishment" or is it "giving a guy time to
> get his head screwed back on."  Does the difference just depend on the player?
>
> -Michael
>
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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov  7 02:20:15 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov  7 02:21:25 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270511062206q5354c75cme0cb5c23a041f8a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008c01c5e321$793e0220$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
	<007a01c5e326$5f62cca0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20051106222828.03dd8250@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
	<fcb3ee270511062206q5354c75cme0cb5c23a041f8a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511070215570.11537@localhost>

> It is nice to see some continuity in a game that sees major coaching
> changes annually.

Agreed.  I'd like to see Mark Murphy, Henry Bienen, and Randy Walker 
signing a big fat contract extension for *way* past 2007.  3 straight 
6-win seasons, a possibility for 8 or 9 wins by the time the bowl game is 
done, and the potential to be ranked at the end of the season, among all 
of the other things... well, from this vantage point I think we've found 
our keeper.  Here's hoping that he stays with us.

Go 'Cats, Beat the Buckeyes,

Jonathan

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 05:03:00 2005
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Mon Nov  7 05:04:11 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] walker extension?
Message-ID: <20051107110300.81204.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com>

I have been generally agnostic on Randy Walker, though
I tend to defend him because, in my career as a sports
writer and editor, I have seen too many teams fire
coaches left and right and suffer from it (see the
Philadelphia 76ers, say, or Indiana football).

Walker's teams have faults -- shaky defenses,
frequently disappointing special teams, infuriating
numbers of penalties to name three. His teams also
have strengths -- offense in general, esp. the
offensive line and running game; a certain
perseverance and pluck that some BT teams noticeably
lack (Minnesota comes to mind); the ability to attract
quality assistants such as Dunbar and Fitz; the
ability to be clever at the right times (ie, the trick
play that beat Wisconsin in 2003) and -- a tendency
noted in the national media -- his ability to win in
the BT with players other BT schools did not want. 

Frankly, I like his aw-shucks demeanor and his
willingness to show emotion (he told the ESPN guy
after the Iowa game he was "about to break down" on
camera, an admission I can't see many coaches making);
I see too many egomanical ultra-serious football
coaches.

Off the field, Walker's players graduate and usually
avoid the police or NCAA blotter -- huge pluses in my
book. The black mark off the field is the Wheeler
tragedy and it's obviously a big one.

I don't think there's any question this year has been
Walker's best as a coach -- he had a ton of talent in
2000, and 2003 had a jerry-rigged, house-of-cards feel
to it, though it was a lot of fun -- given the
graduation and injury losses. Making a reasonable
assumption that NU loses at OSU and defeats Illinois,
it comes out to 7-4, 5-3 in the Big Ten.
2003/2004/2005 add up to (under assumption above)
19-17 overall, 14-10 in the Big Ten.

Now, as many have noted, such numbers would result in
a heave-ho in Columbus or Ann Arbor. But NU isn't OSU
or Michigan, so the question that has to be asked is,
is 19-17/14-10 good enough to justify an extension in
Evanston?

I say yes, with a caveat or two. It appears as if NU
may on the verge of the kind of sustained success --
which, remember, even Barnett could not deliver --
unseen at Dyche since Ara's reign in the early 1960's.
Right now, stability is the key to keep a good thing
going. While a Baz-and-McGarigle-less 2006 may not
look promising, 2005 looked even less so, and 2007 may
be a truly special season given the young talent and
more favorable BT slate.

It is certainly possible, I will admit, that NU could
dismiss Walker and hire the next Urban Meyer or Bob
Stoops. It is also possible NU could fire Walker and
wind up with the next Rick Venturi (nooooooooo!!!). 

I say stick with Walker and reward him with an
extension (would help recruiting). If I was Mark
Murphy, I would, however, insist he at least look at
replacing Colby and I would definitely demand a Frank
Beamer-type be hired to coach special teams. 

I am not as passionate a defender of Walker as Coach
Roy is, and I see where his critics make excellent
points. But on the whole the balance tips pretty
decisively towards keeping him, so let's do it now and
make the commitment to Walker that he has earned.

Brad Wilson
 





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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 07:17:58 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov  7 07:16:08 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051106222828.03dd8250@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <007e01c5e39d$ac4daef0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Speaking as a coach - 
We would bench a kid for a series if he committed some horrible personal foul
penalty or got in a shoving match, etc. If I was running the offense on our
youth team, I'd probably sub out a running back who fumbled, we have the depth,
but our head guy doesn't do that.

RW does sit the kid down to contemplate the error of his ways, but he also puts
the kid back in after he's had time to think about it. And something you don't
want is a kid to come back in after a fumble and get boo'd something that also
happens too much lately. And you don't want to do what Switzer used to do - the
kids had to carry a football everywhere for a week, to class, to bed.

Something that has happened the last times Sutton has fumbled towards the end of
the game is that when he's returned he's been given the chance to score and he
has.

Jason and DA2 also didn't fumble much so you didn't see him sit those players,
however they've always pulled d-backs who missed an assignment [except Cole] and
Washington [D-Line] rotates his guys [except Barry C] in and out to talk with
them about their play, its one reason they're getting better week by week.

In practice, McGee will make a WR who fumbles after a good catch do various
things to get their mind on holding the ball. I saw one WR have to jog around
the indoor practice facility for about an hour during practice because he
dropped a pass over the middle. I don't remember who it was, but it got this
guy's attention.

Personally, I think RW sits the fumblee down so he can talk with the other
backups and coach Johns, etc., and get his focus back. I do know that former
running backs who become coaches have a strange thing about holding on to the
football. One I worked with used to get in a back's face when they fumbled in
practice. His line was "don't you drop my football," delivered only as a
football coach can.

Go Cats - Defeat dOSU

rsl 


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 But he has not hesitated to bench Sutton for a drive or 
> two after a fumble. 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 07:28:11 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov  7 07:26:28 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ... (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <20051107051725.26295.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c5e39f$19b53b60$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

One of the drivers of the SMU recruiting scandal was that they never could get
any coverage on TV or in the Dallas newspapers because of the Cowboys.

And if you check the top 10 markets, very few have a lot of college coverage of
local teams, the only exception used to be Chicago where the media had this love
affair with the evil empire, but...

I can remember reading the Daily News for a long time when I was growing up.
They had about 10 pages of sports, which included 2 pages of horse racing
results and previews [Flat track and harness]. You had to figure a page each for
the 3 baseball teams, and a page for baseball in the off season, coverage of the
Giants, the Rangers and the Knicks [remember this is the 50's], a couple of
columns and Gallo's cartoon and there wasn't much room for anything else. 

New York City had a lot of colleges playing football, but there was precious
little coverage beyond some spectacular game that had a stringer in attendance.
It was so bad in NY back then that Columbia, an old football powerhouse, did a U
of Chicago and dropped football! 

Anyway, when the Rams were in LA, the college coverage suffered there. Georgia
Tech has to be undefeated to get a lot of coverage in Atlanta. 

One of the reasons the Sports News digest got started was that coverage of NU
was spread out all over the map and Frank thought it would be good to put it
together so folks could find stories - but that's getting way off target.

Those of you who live in college football towns know about wall to wall coverage
of the local team, but even in Wilmington, DE, down the road from a former
national champ, Delaware gets maybe a half page a day - the Eagles get a full
page, and usually a column.

Go Cats - Devour dOSU

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT 
> (Stephen J. Truog)
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:17 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ... (fwd)
> 
> 
> > Most of the major football schools are not located
> > in major metropolitian
> > areas (ie 2 million or more).  The biggest
> > exceptions are probably USC
> > and UCLA, and neither school is exactly a big draw
> > in the LA area.  
> 
> Plus - lest we forget - LA does not have an NFL team.
> So they get all the media coverage for LA sports in
> the fall while we're sharing sports section space with
> the Bears, the friggin' Irish, the Illini, the Big Ten
> as a whole and others.
> 
> There are a lot of factors. Another one to consider:
> Maybe we're winning too much.
> 
> We'll never be Chicago's team -- but in 1995, we were
> Chicago's darlings. It was a great story and everyone
> was at least curious as to whether NU would win that
> week and keep the miracle season alive (though I don't
> remember any game besides PSU -- maybe Wisky -- that
> was a sellout and tough to get a ticket to from
> scalpers).
> 
> Now it's become common to have the Cardiac Cats pull
> an upset or two each year. And bowl bids aren't a 
> once-in-a-lifetime rarity. 
> 
> USC needed a 30-some game winning streak to capture
> LA's attention. We needed a Cinderella story season to
> turn heads in Chicago. It'll be interesting to see
> what happens once USC's streak ends and they have a
> season like, say, Oklahoma this year. I know the fans
> in Norman will be there whether the team is 11-0 or
> 7-4. I'm not so sure about those in Southern
> California.
> 
> Again, I'm not complaining about the problem - I'm
> glad we're making winning less of a novelty:) and fans
> who don't want to take advantage of Ryan Field and its
> streak of fantastic finishes are missing out - their
> loss. 
> 
> I'm just suggesting that success might be one of the
> many reasons -- along with small, spread-out alums,
> ticket prices, kickoff time, major city, etc. -- that
> we're not filling the seats.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 07:37:00 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov  7 07:35:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c5e341$e7877200$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <008001c5e3a0$54a4dbd0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

The big thing [for me anyway] is that nobody coaching NU has had 3 consecutive 6
win seasons since Hanley.

Others have had better records during their time here, but they've never put
together 3 consecutive .500 seasons.

Back in the old days, it was harder to get enough top players to come to NU
because a kid could go play at the local U on scholarship and sit on the bench.
Now with 85 schollies, more top kids consider NU, but you have to give credit to
RW & Co. for picking kids that will play in his system. 

RW does have to have another big winning season or two to get over .500 for his
time here, but the longer you coach somewhere, the harder it is to pull a long
term record over .500 if you've had a couple of bad years at the start but
Walker is on track to start to improve that career record at NU, and maybe wind
up with one of the longer tenures at NU and in the Big 10.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:21 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> 
> 
>  
> Slow down there big fella.  
> 
> No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P. 
> might have a bone to pick with you.
> 
> First of all, not including this year, RW's record from 
> 2000-2004 is 27-33 (.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of 
> Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533 my gosh a winning 
> record!).  Alex turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make their 
> combined six year total for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also 
> winning!). Even if NU goes 3-0 the remainder of the season, 
> that makes RW's record for this decade so far 36-36 (.500).  
> Close but no cigar.
> 
> Jeff
>


From warneradams at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 07:39:28 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Mon Nov  7 07:40:27 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c5e341$e7877200$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <200511071340.jA7DeNbl019028@gw.tssi.com>

Jeff

I was comparing NU winning percentages per decade.  They are, as follows:

1882-89	.500
1890-99	.540
1900-09	.669
1910-19	.408
1920-29	.519
1930-39	.580
1940-49	.489
1950-59	.383
1960-69	.405
1970-79	.261
1980-89	.173
1990-99	.382
2000-05	.478

If we could only toss out the 1972-1994 era, in which Northwestern lost its
way (46-203-4), our program would be one game under .500 record all time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 8:21 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football

 
Slow down there big fella.  

No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P. might have a bone
to pick with you.

First of all, not including this year, RW's record from 2000-2004 is 27-33
(.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533
my gosh a winning record!).  Alex turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make
their combined six year total for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!).
Even if NU goes 3-0 the remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for
this decade so far 36-36 (.500).  Close but no cigar.

Jeff
    
-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of warneradams
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:05 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football

Congratulations to Randy Walker on a third straight 6 win season.  The last
time it happened Dapper Dick Hanley was the coach and NU was finishing
back-to-back Big Ten titles in 1930-31.  The 1930 squad ran up 7 straight
wins before dropping the season-ender 14-0 to Notre Dame.  The next year,
the Cats had an incredible non-conference schedule (by today's standards) as
they hosted and defeated Nebraska (19-7) and UCLA (19-0) sandwiched around a
0-0 tie with Notre Dame at Soldier Field.  The Cats then swept 5 straight
Big Ten contests before dropping their finale to Purdue (7-0).

 

Northwestern has posted its best record for a decade, thus far, (33-36-0
.478) than in any previous decade since 1940-49 when Pappy Waldorf and Bob
Voigts combined to go 42-44-3(.489).

 

Keep it going, beat OSU!

 

David Warner

Evanston

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From warneradams at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 07:45:01 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Mon Nov  7 07:47:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <008001c5e3a0$54a4dbd0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <200511071347.jA7Dlabl019140@gw.tssi.com>

Ara did get post three consecutive winning seasons from 1958-60 although in
two out of three years his teams had losing records in the Big Ten.  Randy
has now posted three straight Big Ten seasons of .500 or better and 4 in 8
years.  Ara managed that feat three times in his nine seasons.  Pappy
Waldorf was the last coach to post three or more consecutive seasons of .500
or better in the Big Ten (6 straight from 1936-41).

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:37 AM
To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com; NU Sports List
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football

The big thing [for me anyway] is that nobody coaching NU has had 3
consecutive 6
win seasons since Hanley.

Others have had better records during their time here, but they've never put
together 3 consecutive .500 seasons.

Back in the old days, it was harder to get enough top players to come to NU
because a kid could go play at the local U on scholarship and sit on the
bench.
Now with 85 schollies, more top kids consider NU, but you have to give
credit to
RW & Co. for picking kids that will play in his system. 

RW does have to have another big winning season or two to get over .500 for
his
time here, but the longer you coach somewhere, the harder it is to pull a
long
term record over .500 if you've had a couple of bad years at the start but
Walker is on track to start to improve that career record at NU, and maybe
wind
up with one of the longer tenures at NU and in the Big 10.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:21 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> 
> 
>  
> Slow down there big fella.  
> 
> No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P. 
> might have a bone to pick with you.
> 
> First of all, not including this year, RW's record from 
> 2000-2004 is 27-33 (.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of 
> Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533 my gosh a winning 
> record!).  Alex turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make their 
> combined six year total for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also 
> winning!). Even if NU goes 3-0 the remainder of the season, 
> that makes RW's record for this decade so far 36-36 (.500).  
> Close but no cigar.
> 
> Jeff
>


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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov  7 08:42:03 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov  7 08:47:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <008001c5e3a0$54a4dbd0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <019801c5e3a9$6b38a620$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

RW hasn't put together three consecutive .500 seasons either.

Last I checked, bowl games count.  So the last three seasons have been 6-7,
6-6, and at least 6-6 this season.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:37 AM
To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com; NU Sports List
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football

The big thing [for me anyway] is that nobody coaching NU has had 3
consecutive 6 win seasons since Hanley.

Others have had better records during their time here, but they've never put
together 3 consecutive .500 seasons.

Back in the old days, it was harder to get enough top players to come to NU
because a kid could go play at the local U on scholarship and sit on the
bench.
Now with 85 schollies, more top kids consider NU, but you have to give
credit to RW & Co. for picking kids that will play in his system. 

RW does have to have another big winning season or two to get over .500 for
his time here, but the longer you coach somewhere, the harder it is to pull
a long term record over .500 if you've had a couple of bad years at the
start but Walker is on track to start to improve that career record at NU,
and maybe wind up with one of the longer tenures at NU and in the Big 10.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:21 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> 
> 
>  
> Slow down there big fella.  
> 
> No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P. 
> might have a bone to pick with you.
> 
> First of all, not including this year, RW's record from
> 2000-2004 is 27-33 (.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of
> Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533 my gosh a winning record!).  Alex 
> turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make their combined six year total 
> for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!). Even if NU goes 3-0 the 
> remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for this decade so far 
> 36-36 (.500).
> Close but no cigar.
> 
> Jeff
>

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 08:58:58 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 09:08:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
Message-ID: <148.5060d999.30a0c5b2@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/7/2005 6:48:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
jeffb@hilgraeve.com writes:

> RW hasn't put together three consecutive .500 seasons either.
> 
> Last I checked, bowl games count.  So the last three seasons have been 6-7,
> 6-6, and at least 6-6 this season.
> 
> Jeff
> 

Good point !--They do count

Harry
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 09:13:24 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov  7 09:11:40 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <019801c5e3a9$6b38a620$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <008501c5e3ad$cc2f81c0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Picky Picky - you're right, I should have said consdecutive 6 win season. That
record still goes back to Hanley and is still amazing given our long time
doormat status in the big 10. It still costs us calls by some older refs.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:42 AM
> To: 'NU Sports List'
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> 
> 
> RW hasn't put together three consecutive .500 seasons either.
> 
> Last I checked, bowl games count.  So the last three seasons 
> have been 6-7, 6-6, and at least 6-6 this season.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:37 AM
> To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com; NU Sports List
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> 
> The big thing [for me anyway] is that nobody coaching NU has 
> had 3 consecutive 6 win seasons since Hanley.
> 
> Others have had better records during their time here, but 
> they've never put together 3 consecutive .500 seasons.
> 
> Back in the old days, it was harder to get enough top players 
> to come to NU because a kid could go play at the local U on 
> scholarship and sit on the bench. Now with 85 schollies, more 
> top kids consider NU, but you have to give credit to RW & Co. 
> for picking kids that will play in his system. 
> 
> RW does have to have another big winning season or two to get 
> over .500 for his time here, but the longer you coach 
> somewhere, the harder it is to pull a long term record over 
> .500 if you've had a couple of bad years at the start but 
> Walker is on track to start to improve that career record at 
> NU, and maybe wind up with one of the longer tenures at NU 
> and in the Big 10.
> 
> rsl
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> Computer Applications & Support Associates and Publisher of 
> Purple Reign, The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
> (http://www.purplewildcats.com)
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] 
> > On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:21 PM
> > To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> > Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Slow down there big fella.
> > 
> > No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P.
> > might have a bone to pick with you.
> > 
> > First of all, not including this year, RW's record from 
> 2000-2004 is 
> > 27-33 (.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of
> > Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533 my gosh a winning 
> record!).  Alex
> > turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make their combined six 
> year total 
> > for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!). Even if NU goes 3-0 the 
> > remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for this 
> decade so far 
> > 36-36 (.500).
> > Close but no cigar.
> > 
> > Jeff
> >
> 
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From Sanford_Stein at rush.edu  Mon Nov  7 09:14:20 2005
From: Sanford_Stein at rush.edu (Sanford_Stein@rush.edu)
Date: Mon Nov  7 09:21:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
In-Reply-To: <008c01c5e321$793e0220$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <OFC675BFA5.D9B9CD5C-ON862570B2.0052DE10-862570B2.005457E7@rsh.net>





Since no one else has mentioned it:   I think that Walker made a HORRIBLE
decision to punt on 4th and 2 from the Iowa 41 when we were down 27-14 and
there were about 8 minutes left in the game.  Given our defense, how can
you
give the ball back to the other team in that situation?  Was Randy playing
for
"field position"?  At the time I was screaming to everyone around me that
this
decision would cost us the game.  Fortunately I was proved wrong, but I
must
admit that had Iowa capitalized on the 4th quarter interception and gone up
three scores, I may have joined the throngs that exited the stadium in
disgust.

Anyway, don't mean to throw cold water on the victory parade.  It was great
watching the Bumblebee People grow quiet and sulk out of Dyche/Ryan.

                        SS


From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov  7 09:24:58 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov  7 09:26:11 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <008501c5e3ad$cc2f81c0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <008501c5e3ad$cc2f81c0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511070920530.12497@localhost>

Picky?  Nah, it's just Jeff sore about having to begrudgingly allow that 
Walker should stay here for a while.  Hehe. ;-)

On 3 Dec 2004, Jeff wrote:
> 3. It is no secret that I don't think RW is a good fit for NU.

On 24 Aug 2005, Jeff wrote:
> Prediction: 2-9 <snip> But if RW is able to pull off a six win season 
> this year with our schedule, he deserves the job for as long as he would 
> like to have it.

Go 'Cats, Eviscerate the 'Eyes,

Jonathan

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Roy Lamberton wrote:

> Picky Picky - you're right, I should have said consdecutive 6 win 
> season. That record still goes back to Hanley and is still amazing given 
> our long time doormat status in the big 10. It still costs us calls by 
> some older refs.
>
> rsl
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
>> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:42 AM
>> To: 'NU Sports List'
>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>>
>>
>> RW hasn't put together three consecutive .500 seasons either.
>>
>> Last I checked, bowl games count.  So the last three seasons
>> have been 6-7, 6-6, and at least 6-6 this season.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:37 AM
>> To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com; NU Sports List
>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>>
>> The big thing [for me anyway] is that nobody coaching NU has
>> had 3 consecutive 6 win seasons since Hanley.
>>
>> Others have had better records during their time here, but
>> they've never put together 3 consecutive .500 seasons.
>>
>> Back in the old days, it was harder to get enough top players
>> to come to NU because a kid could go play at the local U on
>> scholarship and sit on the bench. Now with 85 schollies, more
>> top kids consider NU, but you have to give credit to RW & Co.
>> for picking kids that will play in his system.
>>
>> RW does have to have another big winning season or two to get
>> over .500 for his time here, but the longer you coach
>> somewhere, the harder it is to pull a long term record over
>> .500 if you've had a couple of bad years at the start but
>> Walker is on track to start to improve that career record at
>> NU, and maybe wind up with one of the longer tenures at NU
>> and in the Big 10.
>>
>> rsl
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
>> Computer Applications & Support Associates and Publisher of
>> Purple Reign, The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
>> (http://www.purplewildcats.com)
>> AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
>> ======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All =========== Every time I
>> think I've got this Computer Biz handled
>>             -- There's another upgrade.
>> ============================================
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
>> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:21 PM
>>> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
>>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Slow down there big fella.
>>>
>>> No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P.
>>> might have a bone to pick with you.
>>>
>>> First of all, not including this year, RW's record from
>> 2000-2004 is
>>> 27-33 (.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of
>>> Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533 my gosh a winning
>> record!).  Alex
>>> turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make their combined six
>> year total
>>> for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!). Even if NU goes 3-0 the
>>> remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for this
>> decade so far
>>> 36-36 (.500).
>>> Close but no cigar.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 10:11:52 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov  7 10:12:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
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> Since no one else has mentioned it:   I think that Walker made a
> HORRIBLE
> decision to punt on 4th and 2 from the Iowa 41 when we were down
> 27-14 and  there were about 8 minutes left in the game.  

Personally, I also thought we should have gone for it at the time, but
at the same time I could understand the more conservative decision. The
fact that we actually lost yardage on the preceeding 3rd and inches
certainly didn't help.

And something else about that decision occurs to me now:

My feeling that we should have gone for it was based in pessimism--I
didn't think our defense could keep stopping them, or that the offense
was playing well enough to afford giving up the ball at that point.

You could argue that Walker's decision was just the opposite: a display
of confidence in both his offense and his defense. His willingness to
display that confidence, *especially* without a lot of supporting
evidence to that point, may be significant. 

Perhaps that's just the kind of thinking that helps mold a team capable
of pulling off what the Wildcats pulled of on Saturday?

And the fact is that he was right. The defense did hold them scoreless
the entire half (the gift FG off the INT shouldn't count against the
D). And the offense ended up having many more chances to get the win,
and won despite blowing a couple of those chances. 

I guess I vote "genius". 

Anyway, that was a hell of a thing to watch. 

Tom

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 10:27:24 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov  7 10:28:28 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
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Walker made the right decision at that point:

There were 8 minutes left in the game, plenty of time for multiple
offensive possessions (NU was down 2 scores) since the defense was on
track and was stopping them.  The punt put them deep into their own
end and NU had all 3 timeouts left, so there was definitely enough
time to stop them, go on offense, stop them again and use 3 TOs, then
get the ball back again without resorting to an onside kick.  Of
course the D did get the stop but then the offense gave the ball back
on a turnover.  Fortunately the onside kick was perfectly executed
(Walker has done a rather good job on recovering onside kicks
including the pooch kick) and the offense did get the ball back twice.
 As he stated in his postgame quotes, Walker did say he thought we
left too much time on the clock after our final score (42 seconds I
believe?) but our defense came up huge again in the final minute (see
Wisconsin and Purdue for other examples of the defense coming up big
in the end).

Jonathan


On 11/7/05, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Since no one else has mentioned it:   I think that Walker made a
> > HORRIBLE
> > decision to punt on 4th and 2 from the Iowa 41 when we were down
> > 27-14 and  there were about 8 minutes left in the game.
>
> Personally, I also thought we should have gone for it at the time, but
> at the same time I could understand the more conservative decision. The
> fact that we actually lost yardage on the preceeding 3rd and inches
> certainly didn't help.
>
> And something else about that decision occurs to me now:
>
> My feeling that we should have gone for it was based in pessimism--I
> didn't think our defense could keep stopping them, or that the offense
> was playing well enough to afford giving up the ball at that point.
>
> You could argue that Walker's decision was just the opposite: a display
> of confidence in both his offense and his defense. His willingness to
> display that confidence, *especially* without a lot of supporting
> evidence to that point, may be significant.
>
> Perhaps that's just the kind of thinking that helps mold a team capable
> of pulling off what the Wildcats pulled of on Saturday?
>
> And the fact is that he was right. The defense did hold them scoreless
> the entire half (the gift FG off the INT shouldn't count against the
> D). And the offense ended up having many more chances to get the win,
> and won despite blowing a couple of those chances.
>
> I guess I vote "genius".
>
> Anyway, that was a hell of a thing to watch.
>
> Tom
>
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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Mon Nov  7 10:32:10 2005
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Mon Nov  7 10:35:56 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ... (fwd)
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ... (fwd)


As I live in a college football town myself, I am very familiar with 
the extent to which the football team can dominate the local social scene,
even among non-alums.  (In Nebraska's case, it dominates the whole state 
since UNL is the only 1-A team in the state.)

Most of the major football schools are not located in major metropolitian
areas (ie 2 million or more).  The biggest exceptions are probably USC 
and UCLA, and neither school is exactly a big draw in the LA area.  


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I live in the Seattle area and here UW is similar in size and impact as dOSU or UNL.  The stadium seats around 80K and is mostly full even in bad years.    In good years a tickets can't be had.  Seattle has all the pro sports plus WSU in Eastern Washington and there's also lots of interest in high school football.   It must be the state school thing as many of the fans never attended UW.  

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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov  7 10:42:02 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov  7 10:47:15 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <20051107133946.B5136940D6@mail.hilgraeve.com>
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Warner,

I understood the basis for the comparison.  I just didn't agree with it.

The basis for my disagreement is that the current decade isn't over, and
though it is comforting to extrapolate the last three seasons to a decade of
consistency, we have only to look at the sixties for a similar inflection
point.  As I said earlier, in 1965 we had a winning percentage for the
decade (.509) and ended that decade at .409.  I would love to see 2005
become the point that we all look back on in five years and say this was
where NU really made the move from mediocrity to consistency, but with the
departure of Baz it could just as easily be the point that we look back on
fondly and say gosh, we really didn't realize how much Baz meant to this
program.

As far as tossing out the seventies, it would be like saying except for
Steve Bartman it was a great season.  Nice idea, but history doesn't work
that way.  

Jeff


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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football

Jeff

I was comparing NU winning percentages per decade.  They are, as follows:

1882-89	.500
1890-99	.540
1900-09	.669
1910-19	.408
1920-29	.519
1930-39	.580
1940-49	.489
1950-59	.383
1960-69	.405
1970-79	.261
1980-89	.173
1990-99	.382
2000-05	.478

If we could only toss out the 1972-1994 era, in which Northwestern lost its
way (46-203-4), our program would be one game under .500 record all time.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 8:21 PM
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Slow down there big fella.  

No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P. might have a bone
to pick with you.

First of all, not including this year, RW's record from 2000-2004 is 27-33
(.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533
my gosh a winning record!).  Alex turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make
their combined six year total for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!).
Even if NU goes 3-0 the remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for
this decade so far 36-36 (.500).  Close but no cigar.

Jeff
    
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Congratulations to Randy Walker on a third straight 6 win season.  The last
time it happened Dapper Dick Hanley was the coach and NU was finishing
back-to-back Big Ten titles in 1930-31.  The 1930 squad ran up 7 straight
wins before dropping the season-ender 14-0 to Notre Dame.  The next year,
the Cats had an incredible non-conference schedule (by today's standards) as
they hosted and defeated Nebraska (19-7) and UCLA (19-0) sandwiched around a
0-0 tie with Notre Dame at Soldier Field.  The Cats then swept 5 straight
Big Ten contests before dropping their finale to Purdue (7-0).

 

Northwestern has posted its best record for a decade, thus far, (33-36-0
.478) than in any previous decade since 1940-49 when Pappy Waldorf and Bob
Voigts combined to go 42-44-3(.489).

 

Keep it going, beat OSU!

 

David Warner

Evanston

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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov  7 11:08:14 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov  7 11:09:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
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>> Since no one else has mentioned it:  I think that Walker made a 
>> HORRIBLE decision to punt on 4th and 2 from the Iowa 41 when we were 
>> down 27-14 and there were about 8 minutes left in the game.
>
> Personally, I also thought we should have gone for it at the time, but
> at the same time I could understand the more conservative decision. The
> fact that we actually lost yardage on the preceeding 3rd and inches
> certainly didn't help.

I think you mean "8 minutes left in the half" - but okay, I'll bite.  We 
were down two scores, and we punted from our own 26 yard line.  Our 
offense hadn't quite been clicking on the drive (a 3 and out) and we had 
only scored once before that drive.

So your criticism of Walker is that he should've given Iowa a pretty good 
chance to get the ball at our 26, when we were down two scores early in 
the game.

I'd love to see your reasoning.  Note that we had converted a 4th-and-1 on 
the previous drive, so Iowa would've had a little look at how that worked.

Also, Tom - officially, the previous spot before the punt was 3rd and 4, 
Ross Lane's catch made it 4th and 2.

Best,

Jonathan

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov  7 11:16:17 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov  7 11:21:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
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Come on.  If you're going to post something like that about Ara, you have to
post the rest of the story too.  These were nine game seasons, seven of
which were in the BT.  The 1958 season came after an 0-9 1957 season.  The
5-4 1958 season included wins over Washington State and Stanford.  The only
blow-out loss was late in the season to Purdue.  The other three losses were
by a touchdown or less. The 6-3 1959 season included wins over Wilkinson's
Oklahoma (Big Eight conference champ that year) and ND and three loses to
close out the season.  The only blow out was the last game at Illinois.  The
1960 season again included wins over Oklahoma and ND, but then an early
season blowout loss to Iowa.  The rest of the losses were close.

These were really glory years for NU football and also years before the
scholarship limits, so NU was really at a disadvantage to the bigger schools
who could afford to have huge teams and stockpile talent.  The pattern at
least in '58 and '59 was to start out strong and then fade as the team got
worn down and injuries affected key players in the BT season.  

RW has had a good run and it is great to see NU football improving,
particularly in the BT, but part of that success was also built on wins over
cupcakes like Ohio.  Our record against ranked non-conference teams isn't
nearly so impressive.  

Jeff



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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football

Ara did get post three consecutive winning seasons from 1958-60 although in
two out of three years his teams had losing records in the Big Ten.  Randy
has now posted three straight Big Ten seasons of .500 or better and 4 in 8
years.  Ara managed that feat three times in his nine seasons.  Pappy
Waldorf was the last coach to post three or more consecutive seasons of .500
or better in the Big Ten (6 straight from 1936-41).

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:37 AM
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The big thing [for me anyway] is that nobody coaching NU has had 3
consecutive 6 win seasons since Hanley.

Others have had better records during their time here, but they've never put
together 3 consecutive .500 seasons.

Back in the old days, it was harder to get enough top players to come to NU
because a kid could go play at the local U on scholarship and sit on the
bench.
Now with 85 schollies, more top kids consider NU, but you have to give
credit to RW & Co. for picking kids that will play in his system. 

RW does have to have another big winning season or two to get over .500 for
his time here, but the longer you coach somewhere, the harder it is to pull
a long term record over .500 if you've had a couple of bad years at the
start but Walker is on track to start to improve that career record at NU,
and maybe wind up with one of the longer tenures at NU and in the Big 10.

rsl

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> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:21 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> 
> 
>  
> Slow down there big fella.  
> 
> No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P. 
> might have a bone to pick with you.
> 
> First of all, not including this year, RW's record from
> 2000-2004 is 27-33 (.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of
> Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533 my gosh a winning record!).  Alex 
> turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make their combined six year total 
> for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!). Even if NU goes 3-0 the 
> remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for this decade so far 
> 36-36 (.500).
> Close but no cigar.
> 
> Jeff
>


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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov  7 11:32:53 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov  7 11:33:56 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Jonathan Hodges wrote:

> Walker made the right decision at that point:
>
> There were 8 minutes left in the game

The final NU punt (the 4th quarter) came with about 9:30 left, it was from 
our 23, and it was 4th and 6.  Methinks there is some confusion here.  The 
drive was a three-and-out, we were lackluster, and had fumbled the ball on 
second down.  Brett's pass to Herbert on third down was incomplete.  Slade 
came out and got a great NU roll, all the way to the Iowa 20, for a 57 
yard monster of a punt.

> offensive possessions (NU was down 2 scores) since the defense was on
> track and was stopping them.  The punt put them deep into their own
> end and NU had all 3 timeouts left, so there was definitely enough
> time to stop them, go on offense, stop them again and use 3 TOs, then
> get the ball back again without resorting to an onside kick.  Of
> course the D did get the stop but then the offense gave the ball back
> on a turnover.

Umm.. if by "got the stop" you mean "the kick went wide", then yes.  Then 
there was the game-ending, stands-clearing interception that Brett threw. 
Good thing it didn't turn out to be game-ending, but the stands-clearing 
hurt.

I find it really interesting that recollections of the game here vary so 
greatly from the official play-by-play... but then, the finish was so 
exciting it's easy to blur the details of what might have been.

Best,

Jonathan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov  7 11:37:11 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov  7 11:37:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ... (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511071737.jA7HbBrP007100@romaine.tssi.com>

> I live in the Seattle area and here UW is similar in size and impact as dOSU or UNL.  The stadium seats around 80K and is mostly full even in bad years.    In good years a tickets can't be had.  Seattle has all the pro sports plus WSU in Eastern Washington and there's also lots of interest in high school football.   It must be the state school thing as many of the fans never attended UW.  

The only streak worth mentioning in Lincoln anymore is the NCAA-record 
sellout streak, which dates back to 1963, when JFK was president.  It 
might not survive next season when 6000 more seats become available due 
to stadium expansion.  (I was concerned it might not survive this
stadium expansion before the Huskers fell apart.)

Hopefully support remains strong for UW this year, because they're
having huge problems on the field and so far Tyrone Willingham hasn't 
proven the answer to them.  The Apple Bowl may be a horrible finish to a
disastrous season.  (Tyrone wasn't the answer people were looking for
in South Bend, either, and I'm still not sure how much of that was his
fault.)

I hope Northwestern doesn't go too far out on a limb with RW.  Yes, I
think he has earned a reasonable contract extension, but that doesn't
mean a lifetime deal like the Domers just gave their first-year coach,
and probably not the kind of deal Gary B insisted on (and then abrogated)
either.

Given that the Alvarez retirement is already old news, and JoePa seems
to have recharged his batteries for another few years, are any other
Big 10 coaches likely to retire, quit or be fired?

I can't see Purdue giving up on Tiller, it's still a bit too soon to
make changes at Indiana or Illinois, I don't see Michigan dumping Carr,
and that suggests that the only coach who might be on the bubble is 
Smith at MSU.  (Nobody else wants Glen Mason, nobody's going to be able 
to afford to hire Ferentz away from Iowa.)
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 12:41:00 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov  7 12:42:04 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
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> The final NU punt (the 4th quarter) came with about 9:30 left, it was from
> our 23, and it was 4th and 6.  Methinks there is some confusion here.  The
> drive was a three-and-out, we were lackluster, and had fumbled the ball on
> second down.  Brett's pass to Herbert on third down was incomplete.  Slade
> came out and got a great NU roll, all the way to the Iowa 20, for a 57
> yard monster of a punt.

I was thinking of the punt with 4:00 left in the first half when we
had 4th and 3 at the Iowa 41 before the delay of game penalty (to give
us more room to punt).  It was almost in 4 down territory (generally
between the 30 and 40), but Walker made a good decision there to punt
it and stick them in their own end (time ran out despite their
attempts to move the ball.

> Umm.. if by "got the stop" you mean "the kick went wide", then yes.  Then
> there was the game-ending, stands-clearing interception that Brett threw.
> Good thing it didn't turn out to be game-ending, but the stands-clearing
> hurt.

Even if the kick was good it would still have been a 2 score game (a
stretch at 16 points, but still plausable).  I definitely categorize
that as a stop since thus far in the 4th quarter the offense gave the
defense virtually nothing to work with, especially after 2
interceptions and a 3-and-out.

>
> I find it really interesting that recollections of the game here vary so
> greatly from the official play-by-play... but then, the finish was so
> exciting it's easy to blur the details of what might have been.

I think it's because until the final 3 minutes nothing really
noteworthy happened for NU to remember - started out down by 2 scores,
ended the first half down by 3 scores, grabbed a TD on the first drive
of the 3rd quarter but then the offense stalled and it all blended
together.  I think it's more that we're trying to forget the disarray
of an offense that was on the field most of the game, or maybe we were
too busy fending off the intoxicated Iowans that were everywhere.

Jonathan

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 12:18:42 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov  7 12:43:36 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
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Having coached with a guy who hated to punt...

But really, you usually punt outside 2 yards because its so easy to load the box
against that kind of play. [remember that 3 things happen when you pass, and 2
are bad]

When you do that, its because you either want to put the game on the defense's
back [which according to Roach they like[ or you're afraid of your offense not
picking it up.

As it turned out, we stuffed them on that punt and got decent field position [or
did they drive it] anyway we got the points at the end.

Here's another thing to think about - Thompson and Philmore don't drop the long
passes and then would NU have been up enough ?

Go Cats-  time for da bucks

rsl

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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Since no one else has mentioned it:   I think that Walker 
> made a HORRIBLE
> decision to punt on 4th and 2 from the Iowa 41 when we were 
> down 27-14 and there were about 8 minutes left in the game.  
> Given our defense, how can you give the ball back to the 
> other team in that situation?  Was Randy playing for "field 
> position"?  At the time I was screaming to everyone around me 
> that this decision would cost us the game.  Fortunately I was 
> proved wrong, but I must admit that had Iowa capitalized on 
> the 4th quarter interception and gone up three scores, I may 
> have joined the throngs that exited the stadium in disgust.
> 
> Anyway, don't mean to throw cold water on the victory parade. 
>  It was great watching the Bumblebee People grow quiet and 
> sulk out of Dyche/Ryan.
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov  7 11:32:04 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov  7 12:57:00 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
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I don't begrudge Walker anything.

He has put together a winning regular season against a brutal conference
schedule with a lot of inexperienced kids.  

I'm all about results and if he can deliver results (win more than you lose)
and graduate his kids (which he also does), then he has earned my vote -
even if he does it by offering small animal sacrifices to Jobu.

So I'm not sore at all, unless you count hoarse from yelling at the TV.  I'm
having a great time.  I love it when we win.  This season is right up there
with the best in recent memory.  To see these kids get up off the carpet
after being presumed dead by everyone (including me) was truly
inspirational.  Don't know how much RW has to do with it, but since we can't
ask Baz to stay, the only thing that we CAN do to reward this success is
give RW the opportunity to do it again in the future.

Jeff
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Picky?  Nah, it's just Jeff sore about having to begrudgingly allow that
Walker should stay here for a while.  Hehe. ;-)

On 3 Dec 2004, Jeff wrote:
> 3. It is no secret that I don't think RW is a good fit for NU.

On 24 Aug 2005, Jeff wrote:
> Prediction: 2-9 <snip> But if RW is able to pull off a six win season 
> this year with our schedule, he deserves the job for as long as he 
> would like to have it.

Go 'Cats, Eviscerate the 'Eyes,

Jonathan

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Roy Lamberton wrote:

> Picky Picky - you're right, I should have said consdecutive 6 win 
> season. That record still goes back to Hanley and is still amazing 
> given our long time doormat status in the big 10. It still costs us 
> calls by some older refs.
>
> rsl
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
>> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:42 AM
>> To: 'NU Sports List'
>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>>
>>
>> RW hasn't put together three consecutive .500 seasons either.
>>
>> Last I checked, bowl games count.  So the last three seasons have 
>> been 6-7, 6-6, and at least 6-6 this season.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:37 AM
>> To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com; NU Sports List
>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>>
>> The big thing [for me anyway] is that nobody coaching NU has had 3 
>> consecutive 6 win seasons since Hanley.
>>
>> Others have had better records during their time here, but they've 
>> never put together 3 consecutive .500 seasons.
>>
>> Back in the old days, it was harder to get enough top players to come 
>> to NU because a kid could go play at the local U on scholarship and 
>> sit on the bench. Now with 85 schollies, more top kids consider NU, 
>> but you have to give credit to RW & Co.
>> for picking kids that will play in his system.
>>
>> RW does have to have another big winning season or two to get over 
>> .500 for his time here, but the longer you coach somewhere, the 
>> harder it is to pull a long term record over .500 if you've had a 
>> couple of bad years at the start but Walker is on track to start to 
>> improve that career record at NU, and maybe wind up with one of the 
>> longer tenures at NU and in the Big 10.
>>
>> rsl
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
>> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:21 PM
>>> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
>>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Slow down there big fella.
>>>
>>> No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P.
>>> might have a bone to pick with you.
>>>
>>> First of all, not including this year, RW's record from
>> 2000-2004 is
>>> 27-33 (.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of
>>> Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533 my gosh a winning
>> record!).  Alex
>>> turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make their combined six
>> year total
>>> for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!). Even if NU goes 3-0 the 
>>> remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for this
>> decade so far
>>> 36-36 (.500).
>>> Close but no cigar.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
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From johnl at mac.com  Mon Nov  7 13:09:43 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Mon Nov  7 13:09:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
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Jim is probably right about this, but I wouldn't say it's a simple conclusion because it's contrary to what the rules on the Big Ten website plainly say, which is that in years like this one, the tie-breaking procedures don't apply.  But I now think those rules just aren't very well drafted, and that the tie-breakers probably apply as Jim suggests (and as I had thought before I muddied my thinking by trying to read the rules, of all crazy ideas).

In any event, the original purpose of my post was simply to answer the original question and point out that in a four-way tie between PSU, NU, OSU, and UW, PSU would be chosen because they beat each of the three other teams.  (See tie-breaking rule 7(a).)

Further, because PSU won this past weekend, we no longer have a chance at the BCS bid.


 
On Monday, November 07, 2005, at 01:05AM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:

>It's a two step process. First, the Big Ten has its tie-breaking 
>procedures to determine who the conference rep to the BCS major bowl 
>shall be.  Then, the second step is that the three bowls (other than the 
>Rose Bowl) will decide which one of them takes that pre-determined Big 
>Ten rep.  It's that simple.  -- Jim B.
>
>John Labbe wrote:
>
>> OK, this tie-breaking discussion is getting complicated.  For some 
>> reason, I can recall debates about how this procedure works going 
>> years back, when the question can be answered by referring to the 
>> rules (see link below).  But it turns out that this year, at least, 
>> this procedure is a bit more complicated than I thought.
>>
>> It turns out that if there's a tie, the BCS bowls will get to pick 
>> which Big Ten team they want.  Who knew that?  Read on to learn more.
>>
>> There was some suggestion in some of the earlier posts that the BCS 
>> bowls gets to pick their team from the Big Ten or that ranking in the 
>> BCS determines the Big Ten representative.  I thought this was 
>> incorrect.  It was my understanding that the Big Ten gets to pick its 
>> automatic BCS representative using whatever procedure it chooses, and 
>> it has chosen to use its own set of tie-breaking procedures.  The only 
>> exception to the normal tie-breaking rules, to my knowledge, was if 
>> one of the teams tied for the Big Ten championship was ranked #1 or #2 
>> in the BCS, in which case that team would get the automatic bid and 
>> play in the national championship game, regardless of the normal 
>> tie-breaking procedures.
>>
>> But in fact, the Big Ten's tie-breaking procedures are ONLY for use in 
>> years when the Rose Bowl is NOT the national championship game and the 
>> Big Ten winner, therefore, goes to the Rose Bowl.  Hence, the set of 
>> tie-breakers that we're familiar with only applies for selecting a Big 
>> Ten team for the Rose Bowl, not for any other BCS bowl, like this year.
>>
>> Check out the rules at the following link:
>>
>> http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html
>>
>> According to those rule:
>>  "In years that the Rose Bowl hosts the national championship game and 
>> the Conference champion is not ranked No. 1 or No. 2, the champion or 
>> co-champion will be available for selection by the Orange, Sugar, 
>> Fiesta, or other bowls designated for inclusion in the BCS."
>>
>> That's the scenario this year.  So in theory, if there's a tie between 
>> PSU and Michigan, for instance, a BCS bowl could pick PSU if it wanted 
>> to, even though the normal Big Ten tie-breaking procedures would pick 
>> Michigan.  Or in a tie between PSU and OSU, a BCS bowl could pick 
>> OSU.  Interesting that the commentators haven't talked about this, but 
>> they're not really good at reading fine print until a bowl makes a 
>> pick they don't expect.
>>
>> The rules then go on to say:
>>
>> "If the champion or co-champion is not ranked No. 1 or 2, that team 
>> shall participate in the Rose Bowl in years when the Rose Bowl is not 
>> hosting the national championship game as follows: [then the 
>> tie-breaking procedures are spelled out]"
>>
>> That's not this year.  But for the heck of it, if you were to apply 
>> the regular tie-breakers, here's the analysis that would apply:
>>
>>
>> First, to return to the original question:  If there's a four-way tie 
>> between PSU, OSU, NU, and Wisconsin, the answer would be simple:  PSU 
>> would get the Rose Bowl bid.  That's because you use the head-to-head 
>> tie breaker first and PSU beat all three of the other teams.  It 
>> doesn't matter that OSU and Wisconsin didn't play each other.  They 
>> each lost to PSU, so PSU gets the nod.  (See tie-breaking rule 7(a).)
>>
>> Second, if there's a three-way tie between PSU, Wisconsin, and Ohio 
>> State, the answer would again be simple:  PSU would get the Rose Bowl 
>> bid.  See above.  (See tie-breaking rule 6(a).)
>>
>> Third, if there's a three-way tie between PSU, Wisconsin, and 
>> Michigan, it's a little more complicated.  The head-to-head doesn't 
>> work because each team beat one of the other two but lost to one of 
>> the other two, as well (i.e., their each 1-1).  So as Stephen points 
>> out, Michigan is eliminated because they have the lower overall 
>> record, and then PSU beats Wisconsin head-to-head.  (See tie-breaking 
>> rule 6(d).)
>>
>> Again, the previous three paragraphs of analysis do not apply to this 
>> year, but it's the way the normal tie-breakers would play out, if they 
>> applied.  Presumably the BCS bowls would consider these tie-breaking 
>> principles in making their decision, but not necessarily, I don't 
>> suppose.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2005, at 3:31 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
>>
>>>> PSU holds all tiebreakers as long as it beats MSU to
>>>> finish the
>>>> season.  If they lose that game, the winner of the
>>>> Ohio State/Michigan
>>>> game would go (assuming OSU beats NU and Michigan
>>>> beats Indiana).
>>>
>>>
>>> Not necessarily. If PSU, Wisconsin and the OSU/UM
>>> winner all wind up 6-2 in league play - PSU still
>>> goes. Head to head can't be used (everyone's 1-1 if
>>> it's Michigan and OSU/UW never played), so you then
>>> eliminate the team with the worst overall mark, and
>>> OSU/UM both lost out of conference where PSU and UW
>>> did not. So then you have PSU-UW and the Nits win.
>>>
>>> The only way PSU loses this is if they lose, Michigan
>>> wins out and no one else (besides Northwestern)
>>> finishes 6-2. There is no way we can win the bid and
>>> Michigan beat both PSU and NU. Stupid Wolverines.:)
>>>
>>> But 6-2 would still be a nice finish - conference
>>> co-title or not. GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BUCKS!!!
>>> -SjT
>>>
>>> * * * * * * * * *
>>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>>> sjtruog@yahoo.com
>>> GO CATS!!!
>>>
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From johnl at mac.com  Mon Nov  7 13:37:10 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Mon Nov  7 13:37:20 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
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I think the punt in question was with 3:46 remaining in the THIRD quarter.  With that much time remaining, I didn't think this was a game-deciding issue, but at the time, I tended to think we should have gone for it, as well.  We were typically giving them starting field position at about the 40, anyway, and we were at the 46 when we punted, and in need of points.  But we had a decent punt and then eventually stopped them, although Iowa was able to eat up several minutes of clock.


On Monday, November 07, 2005, at 01:46PM, Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote:

>> The final NU punt (the 4th quarter) came with about 9:30 left, it was from
>> our 23, and it was 4th and 6.  Methinks there is some confusion here.  The
>> drive was a three-and-out, we were lackluster, and had fumbled the ball on
>> second down.  Brett's pass to Herbert on third down was incomplete.  Slade
>> came out and got a great NU roll, all the way to the Iowa 20, for a 57
>> yard monster of a punt.
>
>I was thinking of the punt with 4:00 left in the first half when we
>had 4th and 3 at the Iowa 41 before the delay of game penalty (to give
>us more room to punt).  It was almost in 4 down territory (generally
>between the 30 and 40), but Walker made a good decision there to punt
>it and stick them in their own end (time ran out despite their
>attempts to move the ball.
>
>> Umm.. if by "got the stop" you mean "the kick went wide", then yes.  Then
>> there was the game-ending, stands-clearing interception that Brett threw.
>> Good thing it didn't turn out to be game-ending, but the stands-clearing
>> hurt.
>
>Even if the kick was good it would still have been a 2 score game (a
>stretch at 16 points, but still plausable).  I definitely categorize
>that as a stop since thus far in the 4th quarter the offense gave the
>defense virtually nothing to work with, especially after 2
>interceptions and a 3-and-out.
>
>>
>> I find it really interesting that recollections of the game here vary so
>> greatly from the official play-by-play... but then, the finish was so
>> exciting it's easy to blur the details of what might have been.
>
>I think it's because until the final 3 minutes nothing really
>noteworthy happened for NU to remember - started out down by 2 scores,
>ended the first half down by 3 scores, grabbed a TD on the first drive
>of the 3rd quarter but then the offense stalled and it all blended
>together.  I think it's more that we're trying to forget the disarray
>of an offense that was on the field most of the game, or maybe we were
>too busy fending off the intoxicated Iowans that were everywhere.
>
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 13:39:44 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov  7 13:40:49 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
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> As it turned out, we stuffed them on that punt and got decent field
> position [or
> did they drive it] anyway we got the points at the end.

We did drop the punt in perfectly--about the 10 or so. The defense
forced Iowa into a 3rd and long, and we were poised to get the ball
back on the 50 (or better with a good return). 

Unfortunately, the D gave up a completion for the first. I think Iowa
got another first or two after that as well. So, by the time we forced
a punt, we ended up starting on about our own 10.

So, the result wasn't what you would have hoped for, but I think it
still proved to be the right decision.

> Here's another thing to think about - Thompson and Philmore don't
> drop the long passes and then would NU have been up enough ?

Yep, that play where Thompson stopped running too soon, leading to an
overthrow, bugged me right up until, oh, about 0:00 seconds left in the
game! That was an 80+ yard TD pass waiting to happen.

Baz is really showing some nice touch on the long ball now, but on more
than one occassion Saturday, receivers who were open deep gave up on a
play a little too early. 

Philmore certainly redeemed himself on that incredible catch on the
crossing pattern--I think it was the last drive? He just plain wanted
the ball more than the defender who was draped all over him. Our little
group of observers agreed that was a case of a senior who was 100%
determined to go out on a good note.

There was a great pic in the Trib yesterday of Philmore making the
"first down" signal, despite still be upside down and folded in half on
the ground!

I think Thompson had at least one huge catch as well.

Tom

From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 14:12:30 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 14:13:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
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 This '6-win' nonsense has to be addressed.
 
In today's Chicago Sun-Times, the beat reporter breathlessly reported that 'Walker is the first coach since 1931 to lead three straight NU teams to six or more victories.'  This smells very much like a press release from 1501 Central Street - and is pretty much as useful as most Athletic Department press releases.
 
What we know - RW has had 3 consecutive 6-win seasons.  The last instance of 3 consecutive 6-win seasons was indeed 1929-1931.
 
BUT
 
During the Dick Hanley era (1927-1934), Northwestern averaged 8.25 games a year.  These consisted of 5.38 conference games and 2.88 non-conference games.  That Dick Hanley could string together 3 6-win seasons (actually 6, 7 and 7) during this period means he averaged 6.67 wins per season in an era of 8 or 9 game schedules - or an 81% winning percentage during those 3 seasons.  This would be an incredible achievement in any era.
 
Randy Walker has strung together 3 seasons of 6, 6 and 6 victories (currently).  However, during the Walker years, Northwestern has averaged 11.7 games per year.  6 wins per year in an era of 11.7 game schedules works out to a 51% winning percentage...nice, but definitely nowhere near Hanley's achievement.
 
To equate Hanley's 6-3, 7-1 and 7-1-1 seasons with Walker's 6-7, 6-6 and 6-3 seasons is ludicrous.  It insults the intelligence of the listener, as well as discounting the real accomplishments of Hanley and many coaches who succeeded him.
 
To imply (as the comparison does) that Walker has achieved something not achieved since 1931 is absurd.  But it is all too typical of our Athletic Department - sugar coating numbers and presenting them in a way that inflates the accomplishments of RW while discounting anything that happened prior to RW's arrival.  (Anybody see any attendance averages in the Media Guide recently ?  They've been missing since the averages started falling during the RW era).
 
In fact, there have been numerous stretches since Dick Hanley of far greater accomplishment than RW's - Pappy Waldorf had an 8 year stretch (1936-1943) where he won 36 games, an average of 4.5 wins per year in an era of 8.42 games per season, or a 53% winning percentage.  Bob Voigts had 23 wins in the four seasons between 1948 and 1951 - 5.75 wins per year in a period of 9.13 games per year, or 63%.  Ara had a 6 year stretch (1958-1963) where he won 32 games - 5.33 wins per year while averaging 9 games per year, or a 59% winning percentage.  Alex Agase had 3 years (1969-1971) where he averaged 5.33 wins per season in typical 10.1 game seasons - 53% winning percentage.  And the demonized Gary Barnett won 24 games between 1995 and 1997, in typically 11.6 game seasons - a 69 % winning percentage.
 
Note too that all of these coaches with stretches longer than 3 seasons had even HIGHER 3-season winning percentages.
 
So quit believing that RW has achieved something that hasn't been done in 74 years.
 
IT ISN'T TRUE
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
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Come on.  If you're going to post something like that about Ara, you have to
post the rest of the story too.  These were nine game seasons, seven of
which were in the BT.  The 1958 season came after an 0-9 1957 season.  The
5-4 1958 season included wins over Washington State and Stanford.  The only
blow-out loss was late in the season to Purdue.  The other three losses were
by a touchdown or less. The 6-3 1959 season included wins over Wilkinson's
Oklahoma (Big Eight conference champ that year) and ND and three loses to
close out the season.  The only blow out was the last game at Illinois.  The
1960 season again included wins over Oklahoma and ND, but then an early
season blowout loss to Iowa.  The rest of the losses were close.

These were really glory years for NU football and also years before the
scholarship limits, so NU was really at a disadvantage to the bigger schools
who could afford to have huge teams and stockpile talent.  The pattern at
least in '58 and '59 was to start out strong and then fade as the team got
worn down and injuries affected key players in the BT season.  

RW has had a good run and it is great to see NU football improving,
particularly in the BT, but part of that success was also built on wins over
cupcakes like Ohio.  Our record against ranked non-conference teams isn't
nearly so impressive.  

Jeff



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From: warneradams [mailto:warneradams@comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:45 AM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; jeffb@hilgraeve.com; 'NU Sports List'
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football

Ara did get post three consecutive winning seasons from 1958-60 although in
two out of three years his teams had losing records in the Big Ten.  Randy
has now posted three straight Big Ten seasons of .500 or better and 4 in 8
years.  Ara managed that feat three times in his nine seasons.  Pappy
Waldorf was the last coach to post three or more consecutive seasons of .500
or better in the Big Ten (6 straight from 1936-41).

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:37 AM
To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com; NU Sports List
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football

The big thing [for me anyway] is that nobody coaching NU has had 3
consecutive 6 win seasons since Hanley.

Others have had better records during their time here, but they've never put
together 3 consecutive .500 seasons.

Back in the old days, it was harder to get enough top players to come to NU
because a kid could go play at the local U on scholarship and sit on the
bench.
Now with 85 schollies, more top kids consider NU, but you have to give
credit to RW & Co. for picking kids that will play in his system. 

RW does have to have another big winning season or two to get over .500 for
his time here, but the longer you coach somewhere, the harder it is to pull
a long term record over .500 if you've had a couple of bad years at the
start but Walker is on track to start to improve that career record at NU,
and maybe wind up with one of the longer tenures at NU and in the Big 10.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:21 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> 
> 
>  
> Slow down there big fella.  
> 
> No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P. 
> might have a bone to pick with you.
> 
> First of all, not including this year, RW's record from
> 2000-2004 is 27-33 (.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of
> Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533 my gosh a winning record!).  Alex 
> turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make their combined six year total 
> for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!). Even if NU goes 3-0 the 
> remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for this decade so far 
> 36-36 (.500).
> Close but no cigar.
> 
> Jeff
>


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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov  7 14:19:40 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov  7 14:20:49 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <022001c5e3c1$2b978230$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
References: <022001c5e3c1$2b978230$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
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> but since we can't ask Baz to stay

Well, if the NFL doesn't work out, I'm sure a graduate assistant spot 
could be arranged... ;-)

hehe

Buckeyes = bad, 'Cats = good,

Jonathan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 14:23:08 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 14:27:07 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
Message-ID: <231.9d4326.30a111ac@aol.com>


after further review (of the end of the game), I must say we were real  lucky 
to get the win.  2 dumb penalties, 2 dropped passes and a missed FG  gave the 
 CATS!! just enough. Jim Rome and others are  saying that  Iowa gave the game 
away. Maybe, although that onside kick was  priceless.
From clzahn at mindspring.com  Mon Nov  7 15:13:13 2005
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Mon Nov  7 15:17:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
Message-ID: <10159721.1131397994255.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



-----Original Message-----
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
Sent: Nov 7, 2005 12:23 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] genius or luck?


after further review (of the end of the game), I must say we were real  lucky 
to get the win.  2 dumb penalties, 2 dropped passes and a missed FG  gave the 
 CATS!! just enough. Jim Rome and others are  saying that  Iowa gave the game 
away. Maybe, although that onside kick was  priceless.
_______________________________________________


Luck comes to those who are prepared for it.  A defeated team would have given up.  I have to give RW credit for that,
the guys just don't give up. 

Clark Zahn


From johnl at mac.com  Mon Nov  7 15:33:57 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Mon Nov  7 15:34:07 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <8C7B1EEB740CEFE-19AC-2960@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C7B1EEB740CEFE-19AC-2960@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com>
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I suppose your next post will explain all the reasons that Basanez's statistics over the past four years should be discredited, because after all, most quarterbacks, even the best ones, don't start for four years and wouldn't have the opportunity to gain the same numbers.

The only reason such an explanation would be necessary, however, is if you thought we were all idiots.

The fact remains that Walker is the first coach since the 1930s to have 3 consecutive 6-win seasons.  I haven't seen any overreaction to that simple statistic.

I think it's good that the athletic department promotes positive statistics about the program.  That's their job.  Do we want them to release statistics with all kinds of caveats, instead?






 
On Monday, November 07, 2005, at 03:23PM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

> This '6-win' nonsense has to be addressed.
> 
>In today's Chicago Sun-Times, the beat reporter breathlessly reported that 'Walker is the first coach since 1931 to lead three straight NU teams to six or more victories.'  This smells very much like a press release from 1501 Central Street - and is pretty much as useful as most Athletic Department press releases.
> 
>What we know - RW has had 3 consecutive 6-win seasons.  The last instance of 3 consecutive 6-win seasons was indeed 1929-1931.
> 
>BUT
> 
>During the Dick Hanley era (1927-1934), Northwestern averaged 8.25 games a year.  These consisted of 5.38 conference games and 2.88 non-conference games.  That Dick Hanley could string together 3 6-win seasons (actually 6, 7 and 7) during this period means he averaged 6.67 wins per season in an era of 8 or 9 game schedules - or an 81% winning percentage during those 3 seasons.  This would be an incredible achievement in any era.
> 
>Randy Walker has strung together 3 seasons of 6, 6 and 6 victories (currently).  However, during the Walker years, Northwestern has averaged 11.7 games per year.  6 wins per year in an era of 11.7 game schedules works out to a 51% winning percentage...nice, but definitely nowhere near Hanley's achievement.
> 
>To equate Hanley's 6-3, 7-1 and 7-1-1 seasons with Walker's 6-7, 6-6 and 6-3 seasons is ludicrous.  It insults the intelligence of the listener, as well as discounting the real accomplishments of Hanley and many coaches who succeeded him.
> 
>To imply (as the comparison does) that Walker has achieved something not achieved since 1931 is absurd.  But it is all too typical of our Athletic Department - sugar coating numbers and presenting them in a way that inflates the accomplishments of RW while discounting anything that happened prior to RW's arrival.  (Anybody see any attendance averages in the Media Guide recently ?  They've been missing since the averages started falling during the RW era).
> 
>In fact, there have been numerous stretches since Dick Hanley of far greater accomplishment than RW's - Pappy Waldorf had an 8 year stretch (1936-1943) where he won 36 games, an average of 4.5 wins per year in an era of 8.42 games per season, or a 53% winning percentage.  Bob Voigts had 23 wins in the four seasons between 1948 and 1951 - 5.75 wins per year in a period of 9.13 games per year, or 63%.  Ara had a 6 year stretch (1958-1963) where he won 32 games - 5.33 wins per year while averaging 9 games per year, or a 59% winning percentage.  Alex Agase had 3 years (1969-1971) where he averaged 5.33 wins per season in typical 10.1 game seasons - 53% winning percentage.  And the demonized Gary Barnett won 24 games between 1995 and 1997, in typically 11.6 game seasons - a 69 % winning percentage.
> 
>Note too that all of these coaches with stretches longer than 3 seasons had even HIGHER 3-season winning percentages.
> 
>So quit believing that RW has achieved something that hasn't been done in 74 years.
> 
>IT ISN'T TRUE
> 
>Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Beamsley <jeffb@hilgraeve.com>
>To: 'NU Sports List' <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>Sent: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:16:17 -0500
>Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>
>
>Come on.  If you're going to post something like that about Ara, you have to
>post the rest of the story too.  These were nine game seasons, seven of
>which were in the BT.  The 1958 season came after an 0-9 1957 season.  The
>5-4 1958 season included wins over Washington State and Stanford.  The only
>blow-out loss was late in the season to Purdue.  The other three losses were
>by a touchdown or less. The 6-3 1959 season included wins over Wilkinson's
>Oklahoma (Big Eight conference champ that year) and ND and three loses to
>close out the season.  The only blow out was the last game at Illinois.  The
>1960 season again included wins over Oklahoma and ND, but then an early
>season blowout loss to Iowa.  The rest of the losses were close.
>
>These were really glory years for NU football and also years before the
>scholarship limits, so NU was really at a disadvantage to the bigger schools
>who could afford to have huge teams and stockpile talent.  The pattern at
>least in '58 and '59 was to start out strong and then fade as the team got
>worn down and injuries affected key players in the BT season.  
>
>RW has had a good run and it is great to see NU football improving,
>particularly in the BT, but part of that success was also built on wins over
>cupcakes like Ohio.  Our record against ranked non-conference teams isn't
>nearly so impressive.  
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: warneradams [mailto:warneradams@comcast.net] 
>Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:45 AM
>To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; jeffb@hilgraeve.com; 'NU Sports List'
>Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>
>Ara did get post three consecutive winning seasons from 1958-60 although in
>two out of three years his teams had losing records in the Big Ten.  Randy
>has now posted three straight Big Ten seasons of .500 or better and 4 in 8
>years.  Ara managed that feat three times in his nine seasons.  Pappy
>Waldorf was the last coach to post three or more consecutive seasons of .500
>or better in the Big Ten (6 straight from 1936-41).
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
>Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
>Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:37 AM
>To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com; NU Sports List
>Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>
>The big thing [for me anyway] is that nobody coaching NU has had 3
>consecutive 6 win seasons since Hanley.
>
>Others have had better records during their time here, but they've never put
>together 3 consecutive .500 seasons.
>
>Back in the old days, it was harder to get enough top players to come to NU
>because a kid could go play at the local U on scholarship and sit on the
>bench.
>Now with 85 schollies, more top kids consider NU, but you have to give
>credit to RW & Co. for picking kids that will play in his system. 
>
>RW does have to have another big winning season or two to get over .500 for
>his time here, but the longer you coach somewhere, the harder it is to pull
>a long term record over .500 if you've had a couple of bad years at the
>start but Walker is on track to start to improve that career record at NU,
>and maybe wind up with one of the longer tenures at NU and in the Big 10.
>
>rsl
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
>Computer Applications & Support Associates and Publisher of Purple Reign,
>The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
>(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
>AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
>======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All =========== Every time I think I've got
>this Computer Biz handled 
>            -- There's another upgrade.
>============================================
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
>> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:21 PM
>> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Slow down there big fella.  
>> 
>> No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P. 
>> might have a bone to pick with you.
>> 
>> First of all, not including this year, RW's record from
>> 2000-2004 is 27-33 (.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of
>> Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533 my gosh a winning record!).  Alex 
>> turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make their combined six year total 
>> for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!). Even if NU goes 3-0 the 
>> remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for this decade so far 
>> 36-36 (.500).
>> Close but no cigar.
>> 
>> Jeff
>>
>
>
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov  7 16:12:55 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov  7 16:18:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck? (offlist)
In-Reply-To: <10159721.1131397994255.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Carl,

I agree.  Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

I also agree, this team has heart and really believes.  When they
demonstrate that, they are a joy to behold.  

What is baffling is why they spent the whole game digging themselves a hole
that they then miraculously jumped out of?

I haven't yet been able to figure that out.  

But I have to agree with you that whatever RW is doing or not doing, it is
getting results in a way that I never could have predicted.  So yes, he
certainly deserves credit.  I'm not sure what specifically he deserves
credit for, but whatever "it" is, it is working.

Jeff
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Clark Zahn
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:13 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] genius or luck?



-----Original Message-----
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
Sent: Nov 7, 2005 12:23 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] genius or luck?


after further review (of the end of the game), I must say we were real
lucky to get the win.  2 dumb penalties, 2 dropped passes and a missed FG
gave the  CATS!! just enough. Jim Rome and others are  saying that  Iowa
gave the game away. Maybe, although that onside kick was  priceless.
_______________________________________________


Luck comes to those who are prepared for it.  A defeated team would have
given up.  I have to give RW credit for that, the guys just don't give up. 

Clark Zahn


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 16:39:35 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov  7 16:44:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <15616136.1131399237135.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000101c5e3ec$20e14b70$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

As someone who suffered through two 10+ loss seasons, and later worked at OU
when they were winning all their games, I'm grateful for Barnet and Walker's
contribution to our overall win-loss record.

IMHO 6 - 6 win games is a pretty good accomplishment. 

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
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(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of John Labbe
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:34 PM
> To: cherron604@aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> 
> 
> I suppose your next post will explain all the reasons that 
> Basanez's statistics over the past four years should be 
> discredited, because after all, most quarterbacks, even the 
> best ones, don't start for four years and wouldn't have the 
> opportunity to gain the same numbers.
> 
> The only reason such an explanation would be necessary, 
> however, is if you thought we were all idiots.
> 
> The fact remains that Walker is the first coach since the 
> 1930s to have 3 consecutive 6-win seasons.  I haven't seen 
> any overreaction to that simple statistic.
> 
> I think it's good that the athletic department promotes 
> positive statistics about the program.  That's their job.  Do 
> we want them to release statistics with all kinds of caveats, instead?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> On Monday, November 07, 2005, at 03:23PM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > This '6-win' nonsense has to be addressed.
> > 
> >In today's Chicago Sun-Times, the beat reporter breathlessly 
> reported 
> >that 'Walker is the first coach since 1931 to lead three 
> straight NU teams to six or more victories.'  This smells 
> very much like a press release from 1501 Central Street - and 
> is pretty much as useful as most Athletic Department press releases.
> > 
> >What we know - RW has had 3 consecutive 6-win seasons.  The last 
> >instance of 3 consecutive 6-win seasons was indeed 1929-1931.
> > 
> >BUT
> > 
> >During the Dick Hanley era (1927-1934), Northwestern averaged 8.25 
> >games a year.  These consisted of 5.38 conference games and 
> 2.88 non-conference games.  That Dick Hanley could string 
> together 3 6-win seasons (actually 6, 7 and 7) during this 
> period means he averaged 6.67 wins per season in an era of 8 
> or 9 game schedules - or an 81% winning percentage during 
> those 3 seasons.  This would be an incredible achievement in any era.
> > 
> >Randy Walker has strung together 3 seasons of 6, 6 and 6 victories 
> >(currently).  However, during the Walker years, Northwestern 
> has averaged 11.7 games per year.  6 wins per year in an era 
> of 11.7 game schedules works out to a 51% winning 
> percentage...nice, but definitely nowhere near Hanley's achievement.
> > 
> >To equate Hanley's 6-3, 7-1 and 7-1-1 seasons with Walker's 6-7, 6-6 
> >and 6-3 seasons is ludicrous.  It insults the intelligence 
> of the listener, as well as discounting the real 
> accomplishments of Hanley and many coaches who succeeded him.
> > 
> >To imply (as the comparison does) that Walker has achieved something 
> >not achieved since 1931 is absurd.  But it is all too 
> typical of our Athletic Department - sugar coating numbers 
> and presenting them in a way that inflates the 
> accomplishments of RW while discounting anything that 
> happened prior to RW's arrival.  (Anybody see any attendance 
> averages in the Media Guide recently ?  They've been missing 
> since the averages started falling during the RW era).
> > 
> >In fact, there have been numerous stretches since Dick Hanley of far 
> >greater accomplishment than RW's - Pappy Waldorf had an 8 
> year stretch (1936-1943) where he won 36 games, an average of 
> 4.5 wins per year in an era of 8.42 games per season, or a 
> 53% winning percentage.  Bob Voigts had 23 wins in the four 
> seasons between 1948 and 1951 - 5.75 wins per year in a 
> period of 9.13 games per year, or 63%.  Ara had a 6 year 
> stretch (1958-1963) where he won 32 games - 5.33 wins per 
> year while averaging 9 games per year, or a 59% winning 
> percentage.  Alex Agase had 3 years (1969-1971) where he 
> averaged 5.33 wins per season in typical 10.1 game seasons - 
> 53% winning percentage.  And the demonized Gary Barnett won 
> 24 games between 1995 and 1997, in typically 11.6 game 
> seasons - a 69 % winning percentage.
> > 
> >Note too that all of these coaches with stretches longer 
> than 3 seasons 
> >had even HIGHER 3-season winning percentages.
> > 
> >So quit believing that RW has achieved something that hasn't 
> been done 
> >in 74 years.
> > 
> >IT ISN'T TRUE
> > 
> >Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> > 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeff Beamsley <jeffb@hilgraeve.com>
> >To: 'NU Sports List' <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> >Sent: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:16:17 -0500
> >Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> >
> >
> >Come on.  If you're going to post something like that about Ara, you 
> >have to post the rest of the story too.  These were nine 
> game seasons, 
> >seven of which were in the BT.  The 1958 season came after 
> an 0-9 1957 
> >season.  The 5-4 1958 season included wins over Washington State and 
> >Stanford.  The only blow-out loss was late in the season to Purdue.  
> >The other three losses were by a touchdown or less. The 6-3 
> 1959 season 
> >included wins over Wilkinson's Oklahoma (Big Eight conference champ 
> >that year) and ND and three loses to close out the season.  The only 
> >blow out was the last game at Illinois.  The 1960 season 
> again included 
> >wins over Oklahoma and ND, but then an early season blowout loss to 
> >Iowa.  The rest of the losses were close.
> >
> >These were really glory years for NU football and also years 
> before the 
> >scholarship limits, so NU was really at a disadvantage to the bigger 
> >schools who could afford to have huge teams and stockpile 
> talent.  The 
> >pattern at least in '58 and '59 was to start out strong and 
> then fade 
> >as the team got worn down and injuries affected key players 
> in the BT season.
> >
> >RW has had a good run and it is great to see NU football improving, 
> >particularly in the BT, but part of that success was also 
> built on wins 
> >over cupcakes like Ohio.  Our record against ranked non-conference 
> >teams isn't nearly so impressive.
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: warneradams [mailto:warneradams@comcast.net]
> >Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:45 AM
> >To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; jeffb@hilgraeve.com; 'NU Sports List'
> >Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> >
> >Ara did get post three consecutive winning seasons from 1958-60 
> >although in two out of three years his teams had losing 
> records in the 
> >Big Ten.  Randy has now posted three straight Big Ten 
> seasons of .500 
> >or better and 4 in 8 years.  Ara managed that feat three 
> times in his 
> >nine seasons.  Pappy Waldorf was the last coach to post 
> three or more 
> >consecutive seasons of .500 or better in the Big Ten (6 
> straight from 
> >1936-41).
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] 
> >On Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
> >Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:37 AM
> >To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com; NU Sports List
> >Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> >
> >The big thing [for me anyway] is that nobody coaching NU has had 3 
> >consecutive 6 win seasons since Hanley.
> >
> >Others have had better records during their time here, but they've 
> >never put together 3 consecutive .500 seasons.
> >
> >Back in the old days, it was harder to get enough top 
> players to come 
> >to NU because a kid could go play at the local U on 
> scholarship and sit 
> >on the bench. Now with 85 schollies, more top kids consider 
> NU, but you 
> >have to give credit to RW & Co. for picking kids that will 
> play in his 
> >system.
> >
> >RW does have to have another big winning season or two to 
> get over .500 
> >for his time here, but the longer you coach somewhere, the 
> harder it is 
> >to pull a long term record over .500 if you've had a couple of bad 
> >years at the start but Walker is on track to start to improve that 
> >career record at NU, and maybe wind up with one of the 
> longer tenures 
> >at NU and in the Big 10.
> >
> >rsl
> >
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> >> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:21 PM
> >> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> >> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  
> >> Slow down there big fella.
> >> 
> >> No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P.
> >> might have a bone to pick with you.
> >> 
> >> First of all, not including this year, RW's record from 
> 2000-2004 is 
> >> 27-33 (.450).  Ara's record (plus one year of
> >> Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533 my gosh a winning 
> record!).  Alex
> >> turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make their combined six 
> year total 
> >> for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!). Even if NU 
> goes 3-0 the 
> >> remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for this 
> decade so far 
> >> 36-36 (.500).
> >> Close but no cigar.
> >> 
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 16:57:51 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 17:01:56 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Sweet Postscript
Message-ID: <7e.75a61c99.30a135ef@aol.com>

>From a letter today from an attorney in Ann Arbor I am currently  battling 
(on a mostly amicable basis) as a prelude to an arbitration between our  
clients, which will be held in Wolverineland, and to whom I had to eat a little  crow 
last week (as he is a U of M grad, both undergrad and law school:
 
"P.S.:  Congratulations on an inspired victory over the  Hawkeyes."
 
How sweet it is!
 
Paul Levinson
 


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 17:12:14 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 17:16:16 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] dOSU losing to the CATS!!! on TV
Message-ID: <1e0.488f2fe3.30a1394e@aol.com>

We have the game on ABC here in Orlando, I would think it is a national  
feed. Our paper prints the sports schedule for the whole week on Monday, what a  
country!
From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  7 17:16:01 2005
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Mon Nov  7 17:23:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
In-Reply-To: <231.9d4326.30a111ac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003001c5e3f1$38c894a0$220110ac@OFFICEDESKTOP2>

...and today's "Daily Iowan" called it a "choke".


-----Original Message-----
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after further review (of the end of the game), I must say we were real
lucky 
to get the win.  2 dumb penalties, 2 dropped passes and a missed FG  gave
the 
 CATS!! just enough. Jim Rome and others are  saying that  Iowa gave the
game 
away. Maybe, although that onside kick was  priceless.



From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Mon Nov  7 17:34:21 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Mon Nov  7 17:35:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NBA D League
Message-ID: <436FE47D.8040500@insightbb.com>

In today's D League Draft, the Arkansas RimRockers (you got to love that 
name) selected Jitim and Ed McCants, among others.  I wonder if the team 
knew that the players were freshman year roommates in Bobb-McCulloch.

The draft board can be found here:   
http://www.nba.com/dleague/dleague/draft_board_05.html

-- 
Mark

Mark S. Ament
http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com


From johnl at mac.com  Mon Nov  7 18:36:14 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Mon Nov  7 18:36:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] dOSU losing to the CATS!!! on TV
In-Reply-To: <1e0.488f2fe3.30a1394e@aol.com>
References: <1e0.488f2fe3.30a1394e@aol.com>
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It does now appear that our game this week at Ohio State will be nationally broadcast on ABC.  As far as I can recall, this will be a first in recent memory (my recent memory goes back to the mid-90s).  Other than bowl games (Rose and Citrus), I don't recall any of our games being nationally televised on a network station.  Oh, one other exception would be ND 1995, which would have been nationally televised on NBC.

In any event, we may have the largest TV audience for this game than any NU game since the 97 Citrus Bowl.  Let's hope that's a good thing!  (If anyone has access to the TV ratings, that would be an interesting post.  They're not readily available online, as far as I can tell.)

Here are the relevant links:

ABC sports:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tvlistings/abcStory?id=2056451

and

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tvlistings/schedule?network=30

OSU sports:

http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110705aaa.html

The NU sports site is saying it will be regional, but I believe they are mistaken.  It does say that the game will be called by Musburger, Danielson, and Arute, who I believe are the A-team for ABC.

http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110705aac.html

 
On Monday, November 07, 2005, at 06:18PM, <MHRJGScott@aol.com> wrote:

>We have the game on ABC here in Orlando, I would think it is a national  
>feed. Our paper prints the sports schedule for the whole week on Monday, what a  
>country!
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 18:27:45 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 18:37:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
Message-ID: <227.a141ac.30a14b01@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/7/2005 3:25:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
eschoeman@sbcglobal.net writes:

> and today's "Daily Iowan" called it a "choke".
> 

Just think what you would call it if the reverse had happened and NU had lost 
being up by 13 with 3 minutes to go

Harry
From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 18:45:44 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 18:47:25 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] dOSU losing to the CATS!!! on TV
Message-ID: <6b.51524965.30a14f38@aol.com>

Weren't any of the games vs. Joe Pa nationally televised?
 
Paul Levinson
From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 18:44:00 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 18:47:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Another "Poll" Ranking for NU
Message-ID: <bd.64683fcb.30a14ed0@aol.com>

In today's NY DAILY NEWS (p. 76), Dick Weiss, their excellent and  experience
d College beat guy, gives "Weiss' Top 25".  He has NU at No.  17.  Other BT 
teams are PSU at No. 3, tOSU at No. 7, Mich. at No. 15, and  Wisky at No. 16 
(That hurt).  
 
Perhaps the most interesting factoid about his rankings is that  RW is ahead 
of GB (as Colo. is No. 21), Bobby Bowden (FSU is NO. 20), and Steve  Superior 
(S.Car. is No. 23).  Also trailing the 'Cats are W.Va. (18), UCLA  (19), TCU 
(22), Fresno St. (24), and (sorry, Mark Ament) "the 'Ville"  (25).
 
Here's the rest of his leader board:  USC (1) , Texas (2) ,  Miami (4), Ala. 
(5), ND (6) , LSU (8), Ga. (9), Texas Tech (10), Va. Tech  (11--Oh, how the 
mighty have fallen in one week), Fla. (12), Ore. (13), and  Auburn (14). 
 
If we can somehow win in the 'Shoe, we will probably leapfrog into the Top  
10 in Mr. Weiss' "Poll".
 
Paul Levinson
From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 18:54:00 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 18:58:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Another "Poll" Ranking For NU
Message-ID: <d7.31a53afb.30a15128@aol.com>

 
In today's NY DAILY NEWS (p. 76), Dick Weiss, their excellent and  
experienced College beat guy, gives "Weiss' Top 25".  He has NU at No.  17.  Other BT 
teams are PSU at No. 3, tOSU at No. 7, Mich. at No. 15, and  Wisky at No. 16 
(That hurt).  
 
Perhaps the most interesting factoid about his rankings is that  RW is ahead 
of GB (as Colo. is No. 21), Bobby Bowden (FSU is NO. 20), and Steve  Superior 
(S.Car. is No. 23).  Also trailing the 'Cats are W.Va. (18), UCLA  (19), TCU 
(22), Fresno St. (24), and (sorry, Mark Ament) "the 'Ville"  (25).
 
Here's the rest of his leader board:  USC (1) , Texas (2) ,  Miami (4), Ala. 
(5), ND (6) , LSU (8), Ga. (9), Texas Tech (10), Va. Tech  (11--Oh, how the 
mighty have fallen in one week), Fla. (12), Ore. (13), and  Auburn (14). 
 
If we can somehow win in the 'Shoe, we will probably leapfrog into the Top  
10 in Mr. Weiss' "Poll".
 
Paul Levinson

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 19:27:34 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov  7 19:25:51 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Another "Poll" Ranking For NU
In-Reply-To: <d7.31a53afb.30a15128@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c5e403$991f0930$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Where's dOSU?

rsl

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> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of NEONRye@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:54 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Another "Poll" Ranking For NU
> 
> 
>  
> In today's NY DAILY NEWS (p. 76), Dick Weiss, their excellent and  
> experienced College beat guy, gives "Weiss' Top 25".  He has 
> NU at No.  17.  Other BT 
> teams are PSU at No. 3, tOSU at No. 7, Mich. at No. 15, and  
> Wisky at No. 16 
> (That hurt).  
>  
> Perhaps the most interesting factoid about his rankings is 
> that  RW is ahead 
> of GB (as Colo. is No. 21), Bobby Bowden (FSU is NO. 20), and 
> Steve  Superior 
> (S.Car. is No. 23).  Also trailing the 'Cats are W.Va. (18), 
> UCLA  (19), TCU 
> (22), Fresno St. (24), and (sorry, Mark Ament) "the 'Ville"  (25).
>  
> Here's the rest of his leader board:  USC (1) , Texas (2) ,  
> Miami (4), Ala. 
> (5), ND (6) , LSU (8), Ga. (9), Texas Tech (10), Va. Tech  
> (11--Oh, how the 
> mighty have fallen in one week), Fla. (12), Ore. (13), and  
> Auburn (14). 
>  
> If we can somehow win in the 'Shoe, we will probably leapfrog 
> into the Top  
> 10 in Mr. Weiss' "Poll".
>  
> Paul Levinson
> 
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 19:26:24 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 19:30:25 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
Message-ID: <42.755089b9.30a158c0@aol.com>

 
 
Hakirsch writes:


and today's "Daily Iowan" called it a "choke".Just think  what you would call 
it if the reverse had happened and NU had lost being up  by 13 with 3 minutes 
to go






Woof, they would have called it "expected."  When Rome called Iowa out  for 
losing to "northwestern" I do not have to tell you the tone of voice he  used.  
We get no respect for a valid reason.
_http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/colfootball/teams/worst.html_ 
(http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/colfootball/teams/worst.html) 
But the 2 Sox, Red and White proved one thing, life can  be wonderful.
I myself am looking for a national championship in my lifetime.
 
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  7 19:58:27 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Mon Nov  7 20:02:35 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck?
References: <20051107161152.70506.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43700643.3010408@earthlink.net>

Tom Maycock wrote:

>>Since no one else has mentioned it:   I think that Walker made a
>>HORRIBLE
>>decision to punt on 4th and 2 from the Iowa 41 when we were down
>>27-14 and  there were about 8 minutes left in the game.  
>>    
>>
>
>My feeling that we should have gone for it was based in pessimism--I
>didn't think our defense could keep stopping them, or that the offense
>was playing well enough to afford giving up the ball at that point.
>
>You could argue that Walker's decision was just the opposite: a display
>of confidence in both his offense and his defense. 
>  
>
Right -- consider the second half score of the game:  NU 21, Iowa 3 !!
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 20:54:47 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov  7 20:55:56 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <8C7B1EEB740CEFE-19AC-2960@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051108025448.85656.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>

>  This '6-win' nonsense has to be addressed.
>  
> What we know - RW has had 3 consecutive 6-win
> seasons.  The last instance of 3 consecutive 6-win
> seasons was indeed 1929-1931.
>  
> BUT
>  
> During the Dick Hanley era (1927-1934), Northwestern
> averaged 8.25 games a year.  These consisted of 5.38

I don't think anyone's saying that -- as mentioned
with numbers from rushing and passing records to
coaching win totals, you can't compare eras.

What it does say is that Northwestern -- for the first
time in a long time -- has reached that magical 6-win
mark (usually a bowl mark - save for stupid 12-game
seasons in Hawaii:) ) for the third straight year.
It's a solid step toward building a consistent
program.

For instance, Big Ten teams that have currently put
together 6-win seasons (including this year):
Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota. Iowa can
add to the list, but it'll be tough. So that puts us
in the upper half of the league.

You can't compare eras - but that 6 win mark is a big
one for modern football and consistency. Hopefully
it'll be the foundation of the program for years to
come and that extra practice will help get the young
line to become more dominant for Sutton next year.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 21:02:17 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov  7 21:10:07 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] genius or luck? (offlist)
In-Reply-To: <034e01c5e3e8$67edc240$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <20051108030217.48699.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com>

> I agree.  Luck is when preparation meets
> opportunity.

Yup - sour grapes from Iowa. And Rome is always off
his rocker. Boo frickin' hoo.

Plus, once may be luck. Twice is a pattern and as many
times as NU has done it, well, let's just say it ain't
luck!

> What is baffling is why they spent the whole game
> digging themselves a hole
> that they then miraculously jumped out of?

:) - I really think a lot of it was Michigan hangover.
Sutton seemed to lack his confidence until that second
half sweep where he suddenly snapped awake, darted
through the hole and came alive. From then on the
spins, the moving the pile forward, the usual #19 was
back. And Baz was in a bit of a funk as well (some
were the receivers fault) until the end.

But we've tried it all ways this year. Blowout wins,
blowout losses. Big leads and hanging on, big leads
and letting 'em slip away and rallies to win. I don't
care how we beat the Bucks - just get the win in the
'Shoe (the only Big Ten stadium NU has not won in
during the last decade run).

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 20:22:18 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov  7 21:22:27 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th and 2 ...
In-Reply-To: <OFC675BFA5.D9B9CD5C-ON862570B2.0052DE10-862570B2.005457E7@rsh.net>
Message-ID: <20051108022218.7149.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com>

> Since no one else has mentioned it:   I think that
> Walker made a HORRIBLE
> decision to punt on 4th and 2 from the Iowa 41 when
> we were down 27-14 and
> there were about 8 minutes left in the game.  Given
> our defense, how can

I agree - I think it got lost in the euphoria of the
comeback.

Even worse, we took a delay of game penalty. With the
way our punting game had been on the day, my friend
looked over to me and said "great - now Iowa will get
it at the 20."

It didn't backfire - but it sure seemed we were in
that "alumni zone" Walker mentioned a few years back.
But maybe it was too obvious -- we tried to get 'em to
jump and then punted.

> proved wrong, but I
> must
> admit that had Iowa capitalized on the 4th quarter
> interception and gone up
> three scores, I may have joined the throngs that
> exited the stadium in
> disgust.

And that's gone overlooked as well. Like the Michigan
game, our defense kept forcing FGs and kept us within
striking distance. Allowing only 3 after that Baz INT
inside our 20 was HUGE and the missed FG in the fourth
even bigger.

But a lot of things got lost in the 4th quarter. I
definitely wanted us to go for it on that 4th and 2
though. Thankfully, it didn't matter. WOOHOO!!!

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BUCKS!!!
-SjT

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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Mon Nov  7 22:24:26 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Mon Nov  7 22:25:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] dOSU losing to the CATS!!! on TV
In-Reply-To: <1e0.488f2fe3.30a1394e@aol.com>
References: <1e0.488f2fe3.30a1394e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4370287A.6040808@insightbb.com>

MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:

>We have the game on ABC here in Orlando, I would think it is a national  
>feed. Our paper prints the sports schedule for the whole week on Monday, what a  
>country!
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>
>  
>
ESPN lists the game as the only game on ABC at noon

-- 
Mark

Mark S. Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com


From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Mon Nov  7 22:21:00 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Mon Nov  7 22:38:33 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ryan Field fans ... (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511071737.jA7HbBrP007100@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200511071737.jA7HbBrP007100@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <437027AC.5040409@insightbb.com>

Mike Nolan wrote:

>Given that the Alvarez retirement is already old news, and JoePa seems
>to have recharged his batteries for another few years, are any other
>Big 10 coaches likely to retire, quit or be fired?
>
>I can't see Purdue giving up on Tiller, it's still a bit too soon to
>make changes at Indiana or Illinois, I don't see Michigan dumping Carr,
>and that suggests that the only coach who might be on the bubble is 
>Smith at MSU.  (Nobody else wants Glen Mason, nobody's going to be able 
>to afford to hire Ferentz away from Iowa.)
>--
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>  
>
While I agree with you about Carr, all the UM fans I talk to have been 
screaming for his head all year - even before the losses began to pile 
up.  I'm not sure a win over the Bucks will satisfy them.  I think he 
has overstayed his welcome with the Big Blue Faithful but, that said, I 
don't see the UM administration retiring him.  John L. has already been 
hung in effigy several times in Lansing and as Sparty impoldes game by 
game, the likelihood of his remaining coach for longer than one more 
season seem dim.  I think they give him one more chance to make it 
right, but if he doesn't produce next year, he's gone.  Mason has 
nowhere to go; Tiller should go but PU won't fire him.  Hoeppner was the 
best hire IU has made in years and Illinois is well Illinois.
Mark

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 23:04:21 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 23:05:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Another "Poll" Ranking For NU
Message-ID: <245.885d9e.30a18bd5@aol.com>

No. 7
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 23:23:54 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov  7 23:25:03 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten coaches
In-Reply-To: <437027AC.5040409@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <20051108052354.45696.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com>

> >Given that the Alvarez retirement is already old
> news, and JoePa seems

Wisconsin's transition appears to be about as smooth
as one can go -- though Barry's leaving a tough legacy
with going a possible 10-2 with this team.

As for JoePa, I'd love to see him go out on top -- but
PSU does appear to have talent for the future and
Happy Valley is rejuvenated. I'm sure PSU faithful
would love to see him line up a successor like
Alvarez, but Joe's certainly proven he can hang in
there with any coach and that he *is* Penn State and
deserves to go out on his terms.

> years, are any other
> >Big 10 coaches likely to retire, quit or be fired?

Nope. Smith is the closest in East Lansing and I think
he gets one more year.

> gone.  Mason has 
> nowhere to go; Tiller should go but PU won't fire

Should go? I'm no fan of Purdooo, but how can you fire
a guy who has taken the team to a bowl in all but one
year (the current one) at the school after years and
years of nothing? Tiller's there for a long time.

> him.  Hoeppner was the 
> best hire IU has made in years and Illinois is well

Definitely - they may be in a bowl next year at this
rate and are certainly much tougher than in the past.

And I think Zook will do pretty well in Champaign - he
is a good recruiter and if he can tap back into that
Chicago market that Alvarez and Carr have raided
lately, they could be back soon.

There are some pretty solid coaches in this league
right now and I don't think any will be leaving aside
from Alvarez for at least another year.

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BUCKS!!!
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From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 23:26:11 2005
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 23:30:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Randy Walker
Message-ID: <1f9.16642f29.30a190f3@aol.com>

I am really getting tired of everyone bashing Randy Walker, I think it is  
crazy. I know the cats haven't gone 9-2 or 10-2 but 3 straight 6 win seasons is  
a step up. Most on this site continue to bash RW and I don't really see why. 
NU  is competitive in almost all games and have had big wins vrs OSU, MSU, 
Iowa and  Mich in the past few years.........
 
I think its about time everyone gets off RW's back
 
Let's hear what some have to say
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 23:43:27 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov  7 23:51:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 11
Message-ID: <20051108054327.17926.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com>

A nice national noon showdown in the Shoe ... does it
get any better for Cats fans? A win would do it.:) As
for the picks, standings should be out Friday (no
school on Veteran's Day!) but for now here's a
jam-packed week 11 slate ...

How good (and deep) is the SEC? Well, you have two
mega-games in the league this year featuring four
teams with a total of 4 losses on the year (and this
is in mid-November!). And they might not even be the
most interesting game in the league this year as the
old ball coach hosts his former school in a game with
big bowl implications. The Big Ten is deep, exciting
and one of the top two football conferences in the
country year in and year out -- but there's no doubt
the other one is the SEC. Take those three big games
and throw in two nifty Pac 10 showdowns and you have a
pretty big week of college action. Perfect for an away
game for the Cats, a couch and a remote. Pass the beer
nuts.

All picks due by kickoff Saturday.

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 11
#######################
Name: 

Big Ten
-------
GAME  1: Illinois @ Purdue          WINNER: 
GAME  2: Indiana @ Michigan         WINNER: 
GAME  3: Iowa @ Wisconsin           WINNER: 
GAME  4: Michigan St. @ Minnesota   WINNER: 

National
--------
GAME  5: LSU @ Alabama              WINNER: 
GAME  6: Auburn @ Georgia           WINNER: 
GAME  7: Florida @ South Carolina   WINNER: 
GAME  8: Southern Cal @ California  WINNER: 
GAME  9: Arizona St. @ UCLA         WINNER: 
GAME 10: Florida St. @ Clemson      WINNER: 

MY PICKS
========
* PURDUE 34, Illinois 20 - Tempted to go upset but
that Illini defense is B-A-D.
* MICHIGAN 41, Indiana 14 - Wolverines warm up for the
Bucks by dashing Hoosier bowl hopes
* WISCONSIN 24, Iowa 20 - Bruiser of a game, but Camp
Randall bids a fond farewell to Barry
* MINNESOTA 35, Michigan St. 31 - Tough call - the
question is what team has quit on the season less?
---
* LSU 13, Alabama 9 - The Tide have a nice storybook
season, but the Tigers are the SEC's best team
* AUBURN 17, Georgia 7 - UGa drops another as Tigers
pounce on woulded Dawgs
* FLORIDA 28, South Carolina 23 - Good game, but
Gators smell SEC title game blood and don't want the
old coach to get into a better bowl than the new one
* USC 49, California 26 - No close call for the
Trojans in Berkeley this time
* UCLA 44, Arizona St. 38 - Dunno what happened to the
Bruins last week but they bounce back to avoid the Sun
Bowl.
* FLORIDA ST. 26, Clemson 10 - It'd be nice to see
Bobby lose again, but papa bounces back and beats up
his son

And off the board ...

* OHIO STATE 37, Northwestern 17 - I'd love to be
wrong, but I think OSU's speedy linebackers pose even
more problems than Michigans and their speedy WRs are
better than PSU's -- the result of that can't be good.
But I'd love to be wrong.

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BUCKS!!!
-SjT

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 23:55:43 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  7 23:57:16 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <20051108025448.85656.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C7B24030C6C010-AD8-2AB5@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com>

Stephen is exactly right - if the press release had just said something like 'back-to-back-to-back six-win seasons', everything would have been fine.  But the press release compared eras - It specifically compared the present to the Dick Hanley era:
 
http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/110505aah.html
 
College football fans (and NU list members) know that comparing eras is wrong - but casual readers don't always - making it even more necessary for the Athletic office to exercise restraint in writing their press releases.
 
I note also that the press release mentions at length career milestones for Baz, McGarigle, Sutton, Philmore, Lane, Henderson, Herbert...But the Sun-Times beat reporter didn't mention any of that.  She just regurgitated the 'six-win' information.  I think I speak for most list members when I say that the Athletic office should emphasize on-field (and off-field) accomplishments of our student athletes, as opposed to simplistic (and sometimes misleading) comparisons of coaching records across eras.  Then perhaps the press would emphasize those things too.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85

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>  This '6-win' nonsense has to be addressed.
>  
> What we know - RW has had 3 consecutive 6-win
> seasons.  The last instance of 3 consecutive 6-win
> seasons was indeed 1929-1931.
>  
> BUT
>  
> During the Dick Hanley era (1927-1934), Northwestern
> averaged 8.25 games a year.  These consisted of 5.38

I don't think anyone's saying that -- as mentioned
with numbers from rushing and passing records to
coaching win totals, you can't compare eras.

What it does say is that Northwestern -- for the first
time in a long time -- has reached that magical 6-win
mark (usually a bowl mark - save for stupid 12-game
seasons in Hawaii:) ) for the third straight year.
It's a solid step toward building a consistent
program.

For instance, Big Ten teams that have currently put
together 6-win seasons (including this year):
Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota. Iowa can
add to the list, but it'll be tough. So that puts us
in the upper half of the league.

You can't compare eras - but that 6 win mark is a big
one for modern football and consistency. Hopefully
it'll be the foundation of the program for years to
come and that extra practice will help get the young
line to become more dominant for Sutton next year.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From Martinitis at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 00:00:38 2005
From: Martinitis at aol.com (Martinitis@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov  8 00:04:33 2005
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] Randy Walker
Message-ID: <25f.754337.30a19906@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/7/2005 9:36:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
HUDHAIFA3@aol.com writes:

I think  its about time everyone gets off RW's back

Let's hear what some have to  say
 
You have my vote.
 
Lou Martinaitis





From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov  8 00:46:52 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov  8 00:46:55 2005
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] Randy Walker (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511080646.jA86kq4S016185@romaine.tssi.com>

> I think  its about time everyone gets off RW's back

I think that for the most part the posts here ARE off RW's back.

I haven't heard anyone call for his dismissal (unlike earlier this season),
and I've seen more than a few posts suggesting he's earned a contract
extension.

However, I think the PR flacks did him (and NU) a disservice by making such 
a big deal out of his achieving back-to-back-to-back six-win seasons, and 
that makes detailed comparisons of RW's record with the records of past 
coaches relevant, especially those who coached in an era of 9 or 10 game 
seasons.

Am I happy the Cats are bowl-eligible?  You betcha!  
--
Mike Nolan

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 05:11:14 2005
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Tue Nov  8 05:12:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] firing coaches
In-Reply-To: <200511081000.jA8A03jg017935@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20051108111114.14537.qmail@web51312.mail.yahoo.com>

One of the national internet guys noted that this is a
strange season: it's hard to find many coaches in a
BCS league who are likely to get fired or "asked to
resign" after this season.

Certainly no Big Ten coach seems endangered, though
Sparty may want a staff shakeup from Smith. SEC? Rich
Brooks, certainly, but nobody else. ACC? Amato may
have saved his gig with the win at FSU and Gainey's
good season makes him safe. Big East? Schiano did what
he had to at Rutgers to keep his job. Wannstedt will
(undeservedly) get another year. Big 12? Okla. St. is
a new guy; maybe Pickel at Missouri? Callahan seems to
have administration support to survive. Pac-10? Nobody
I can see. 

There could be a retirement or two that could open a
spot, maybe, though no place pops to mind (Bill
Snyder, maybe?). It could be a season with NO BCS
coaching openings -- though I think Brooks is toast.

I agree with Steve -- no way should Perdoo get rid of
Tiller. He's been tremendous -- PU was awful before he
showed up. Had Minnesota collapsed as usual I think
Mason could have felt heat, but once they won at
Michigan for the Jug he was safe. As for Carr, yes,
you would think he would win more -- Michigan gets its
pick of players -- but his record is darned good.
Michigan fans who want him gone should consult with
Pittsburgh, say, or Syracuse, or Nebraska, as to what
happens when an "underachieving" but successful coach
is pushed out. 

Brad Wilson


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From DPENDERG at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 06:14:23 2005
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov  8 06:27:08 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] dOSU losing to the CATS!!! on TV
Message-ID: <19a.40ad01b8.30a1f09f@aol.com>

The nationally televised game before a large audience on Saturday is  another 
great opportunity but also involves great risk.  Coming off the  stunning 
Iowa victory, we are confident, but that was the common attitude after  the MSU 
game, too, and we saw what happened against the Wolves.  Bottom  line is that 
Cats step up and play their best game of the season to beat the  Bucks in the 
Shoe, who remember their own embarrassment losing in Evanston last  year.  I 
just want us to remain respectably close and competitive.   Getting blown-out 
would not help prospects for bowling, ranking, or  recruiting.  
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 08:25:18 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Nov  8 08:26:26 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <8C7B24030C6C010-AD8-2AB5@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051108142518.22657.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- cherron604@aol.com wrote:
> Stephen is exactly right - if the press release had just said
> something like 'back-to-back-to-back six-win seasons', everything
> would have been fine.  But the press release compared eras - It
> specifically compared the present to the Dick Hanley era:
>  
>
http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/110505aah.html

Is this the paragraph that has you concerned?

"Coach Randy Walker is the first Northwestern coach since 1931 to
direct three consecutive Wildcat teams to six or more victories. The
last coach to do it was Dick Hanley (1929 to 1931). Walker also moved
into a second-place tie on Northwestern's all-time coaching victory
list with Ara Parseghian (36-35-1, 1956-63) and Hanley (36-26-4,
1927-34). Lynn "Pappy" Waldorf is NU's win leader at 49-45-7. Walker is
now 36-44 at Northwestern and 95-79-5 overall."

If so, I can't possibly imagine anything upsetting about any of that.
Looks to me like basic, fairly intersting facts, pretty much devoid of
any "hype". Am I looking at the wrong thing?

Tom

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 08:30:50 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Nov  8 08:31:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th and 2 ...
In-Reply-To: <20051108022218.7149.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051108143051.24046.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> Even worse, we took a delay of game penalty. 

Wasn't that intentional, to give us more room to punt?

> With the
> way our punting game had been on the day, my friend
> looked over to me and said "great - now Iowa will get
> it at the 20."

Slade had one bad punt (brutally bad, and it basically cost us a
touchdown--the old "bend not break" defensive scheme doesn't work very
well from 40 yards out), but the rest were actually good, and pretty
much what the coaches had in mind (I think). 

Yes, they were low line drives, so they looked a bit ugly, but they
were directional away from the returners. According to the stats, Iowa
had one return, for 4 yards.

Our punting average was .1 better than Iowa's, even with that 19 yard
punt. Net punting was .2 worse than Iowas (our 1 yard return vs their 4
yard return).

Tom


Tom

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  8 08:43:26 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue Nov  8 08:47:18 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV story for this week
Message-ID: <4370B98E.5010203@earthlink.net>

Our game will not be on national television.  Parts of the country will 
get Oklahoma vs. Texas A&M on ABC in that 12 noon EST time slot.  And, 
the Pacific time zone will not get any game at all during that time 
slot.  The west coasters will instead get the UCLA vs. Arizona State 
game at 7 pm EST / 4 pm PST.

Our games against Penn State in 1995 and 1996 were also ABC regional 
telecasts.  The last time we had a game on national network television 
(other than bowl games) was the NBC telecast of NU vs. Notre Dame in 1995.

Jim B.



From AJWDBW at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 08:56:45 2005
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov  8 09:01:03 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Randy Walker
Message-ID: <1df.481962bc.30a216ad@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/7/2005 11:36:31 PM Central Standard Time,  
HUDHAIFA3@aol.com writes:

I think  its about time everyone gets off RW's back



I agree wholeheartedly, and why doesn't everyone get on the DC's case? With  
over 7000 undergraduate students on the Evanston, campus why can't he find at  
least two of them to rush the passer?
 
Don Williams C55
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 09:00:44 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov  8 09:01:53 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV story for this week
In-Reply-To: <4370B98E.5010203@earthlink.net>
References: <4370B98E.5010203@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511080700j64b0e25ay6b4bd63f0aa032d7@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I know, the only ABC national broadcast (besides the bowl
game) is the OSU v. Michigan game, which is always at the 12PM ET time
slot.  The only other national telecasts on network television are the
NBC Notre Dame games and whatever SEC game CBS shows in the 3:30PM ET
time slot.  I may be mistaken, but this is what I recall.  Since ABC
shows games from the ACC, Big Ten, Big XII, and Pac 10, they are
forced to regionalize almost every time slot.  Being on ABC is still
big, though, as they still pull in a larger audience than many
ESPN/ESPN2 games.

BTW, the 'Cats' final regular season game at Illinois will be
televised at 11AM CT on ESPN+ (Channel 2 in Chicago).

Jonathan

On 11/8/05, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Our game will not be on national television.  Parts of the country will
> get Oklahoma vs. Texas A&M on ABC in that 12 noon EST time slot.  And,
> the Pacific time zone will not get any game at all during that time
> slot.  The west coasters will instead get the UCLA vs. Arizona State
> game at 7 pm EST / 4 pm PST.
>
> Our games against Penn State in 1995 and 1996 were also ABC regional
> telecasts.  The last time we had a game on national network television
> (other than bowl games) was the NBC telecast of NU vs. Notre Dame in 1995.
>
> Jim B.
>
>
>
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Nov  8 09:00:49 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Nov  8 09:30:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV story for this week
In-Reply-To: <4370B98E.5010203@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <04c401c5e475$34bc4f30$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

Jim wrote <snip>

Our games against Penn State in 1995 and 1996 were also ABC regional
telecasts.  The last time we had a game on national network television
(other than bowl games) was the NBC telecast of NU vs. Notre Dame in 1995.

=======================================

That '95 win against ND was Barnett's coming out party, but nobody paid
attention.  The sporting world's reaction was that ND had blown an early
season game against what should have been a cupcake.  That was particularly
confirmed when we lost the next week to Walker's Miami team.  A couple of
easy wins at Air Force and Indiana didn't open any eyes.  But then came that
incredible gritty convincing 19-13 win over Michigan in Ann Arbor on a
miserably wonderful overcast cold wet day.  The world took notice.  The Cats
were back!  We went on to run the table in the BT.  Hard to believe it was
10 years ago.

Jeff



From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 09:52:34 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Nov  8 10:00:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV story for this week
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270511080700j64b0e25ay6b4bd63f0aa032d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051108155234.80768.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote:
> As far as I know, the only ABC national broadcast (besides the bowl
> game) is the OSU v. Michigan game, which is always at the 12PM ET
> time slot. 

I think ABC's "friday after thanksgiving" games are also national (most
recently, I think this has been Nebraska-Colorado, Texas-Texas A&M ,
and maybe USC-UCLA)?

Tom

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 10:00:33 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov  8 10:01:49 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV story for this week
Message-ID: <1b9.2032c5af.30a225a1@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/8/2005 7:31:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
jeffb@hilgraeve.com writes:

> Jim wrote <snip>
> 
> Our games against Penn State in 1995 and 1996 were also ABC regional
> telecasts.  The last time we had a game on national network television
> (other than bowl games) was the NBC telecast of NU vs. Notre Dame in 1995.
> 
> =======================================
> 
> That '95 win against ND was Barnett's coming out party, but nobody paid
> attention.  The sporting world's reaction was that ND had blown an early
> season game against what should have been a cupcake.  That was particularly
> confirmed when we lost the next week to Walker's Miami team.  A couple of
> easy wins at Air Force and Indiana didn't open any eyes.  But then came that
> incredible gritty convincing 19-13 win over Michigan in Ann Arbor on a
> miserably wonderful overcast cold wet day.  The world took notice.  The Cats
> were back!  We went on to run the table in the BT.  Hard to believe it was
> 10 years ago.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 

Ah--memories !

Harry
From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 10:04:28 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov  8 10:05:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV story for this week
Message-ID: <79.51948209.30a2268c@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/8/2005 6:48:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
thehaze@earthlink.net writes:

> Our game will not be on national television.  Parts of the country will 
> get Oklahoma vs. Texas A&M on ABC in that 12 noon EST time slot.  And, 
> the Pacific time zone will not get any game at all during that time 
> slot.  The west coasters will instead get the UCLA vs. Arizona State 
> game at 7 pm EST / 4 pm PST.
> 
> Our games against Penn State in 1995 and 1996 were also ABC regional 
> telecasts.  The last time we had a game on national network television 
> (other than bowl games) was the NBC telecast of NU vs. Notre Dame in 1995.
> 
> Jim B.
> 
> 
> 

If true, it means this SF boy will have to get to the bar at 9 AM  rather 
than the comfort of my home--I guess i will head over to a bar in Berkeley so 
that I can watch and then go to the USC/Cal game to see what might be the best 
college team ever

Harry
From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Tue Nov  8 10:44:04 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Tue Nov  8 10:45:21 2005
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] Randy Walker [LONG]
In-Reply-To: <200511080646.jA86kq4S016185@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200511080646.jA86kq4S016185@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511080903280.17623@localhost>

Chuck Herron, fingers typing trippingly upon the keyboard, wrote:

> To equate Hanley's 6-3, 7-1 and 7-1-1 seasons with Walker's 6-7, 6-6 and 
> 6-3 seasons is ludicrous.  It insults the intelligence of the listener, 
> as well as discounting the real accomplishments of Hanley and many 
> coaches who succeeded him.

You're right, Chuck.  Well, sort of.  I don't think the staffer at 
Athletics meant to say anything more than Walker had won 6 games three 
times in a row, and note that Hanley was the last coach to do it.  They 
weren't comparing winning percentages, and I don't think the verbiage 
warrants your flaming of a well-meaning staffer at Athletics.

It *is* worth going back and doing the research about Depression-era 
football, as well as noting the accomplishments of Hanley, with a little 
Waldorf, Voigts, Parseghian, Agase, and Barnett thrown in for good 
measure.  I'll leave out the contributions of Lou Saban (0-8-1), and of 
course Pont, Venturi, Green, and Peay.  As a service to the list, I've 
used HailToPurple's excellent site as well as some other sources to 
compile a little info about Dick Hanley's seasons from 1929 until his 
dismissal in 1934.

In 1929, Dick Hanley's Wildcats played 9 games.  Of these, 7 were played 
at home. (!)  The three losses were to Minnesota, Indiana, and Notre Dame. 
The quality wins were against Wisconsin, Illinois, and Ohio State.  The 
joke wins were against Cornell College (of Iowa), Butler, and Wabash. 
That Wabash win was a 66-0 blowout.  Final (actual) record playing an 
actual schedule against actual teams: (3-3).

In 1930, Dick Hanley's Wildcats played 8 games.  Of these, 5 were played 
at home.  The only loss that season was the second straight year to close 
the season with a loss to Notre Dame at Dyche Stadium.  Hanley beat 1930 
Southern Conference co-champs Tulane that year, an impressive win. 
Hanley's only questionable victory came over Centre, giving him an actual 
record of 6 wins, 1 loss, and a cupcake - an impressive season by any 
stretch.

In 1931, Hanley's team played 9 games.  Of these, 5 were played at home, 
and two were played at Soldier Field.  Hanley stepped up this year and 
played all quality teams except for Nebraska.  The continuing inability to 
beat Notre Dame was at least ameliorated by playing them to a 0-0 tie at 
Soldier Field.  This was the 7-1-1 season, again an incredible feat, even 
if I would note it as 6-1-1 (and a cupcake).

It was the 1932 season that probably defined the end of Hanley's reign, 
though.  This 8 game season was the first "let's not play any cupcakes" 
schedule, and the results were unhappy at best.  Hanley's lackluster 'Cats 
turned in a 3-4-1 season, including yet another loss to Notre Dame. 
Hanley would fail, as all NU coaches before him, to beat Notre Dame, and 
at the end of his tenure in 1934 would leave NU with an all-time win-loss 
record against the Irish with 0-9-1.  Hanley's achievement in this arena 
was the 1931 tie, which was an improvement but one in which no points were 
scored.

In 1933 we played Stanford for the first time.  Hanley's scheduling of an 
entire schedule of high-powered, big name opponents was probably the 
greatest legacy he could've left to NU - playing some of the most 
difficult schedules in the NCAA, during the same era the University of 
Chicago would decide to stop playing football entirely.  The 8 game 1933 
season ended with the 'Cats 1-5-2, including yet another loss to Notre 
Dame.

The 1934 campaign featured an away game against Stanford, but this 
ultimately was Hanley's final season as the Head Coach, with a 3-5 record, 
including the final insult to close the home schedule, yet another loss to 
Notre Dame.  NU would replace Hanley with Lynn "Pappy" Waldorf for the 
1935 season.

It is worth noting that in his first season, Coach Waldorf pulled off the 
first Northwestern victory against the hated Irish, a 14-7 win in South 
Bend.  Notre Dame would avenge this loss in 1936, ruining the 'Cats 
perfect 1936 season.  Pappy wouldn't beat the Domers again until 1940.
After the 1940 victory the 'Cats lost to Notre Dame 8 more times, all in 
the 40s.

The 'Cats did not play Notre Dame after the loss during the magical Bob 
Voigts-coached 1948 Rose Bowl season until 1959, when Coach Ara Parseghian 
added the Irish to our schedule.  Parseghian went on to rack up four 
straight victories over the hated Domers, a feat which impressed them so 
much they stole him away from the Wildcats following the 1963 season. 
Ara's record over Notre Dame was a perfect 4-0-0.  Between Parseghian and 
Barnett, there were no victories against Notre Dame despite many attempts, 
including Notre Dame beating his replacement, Alex Agase.  Notre Dame has 
not scheduled the 'Cats since the stunning 1995 upset victory in Notre 
Dame Stadium, which reportedly made the Touchdown Jesus cry.

No word on whether or not Coach Weis has the guts to schedule NU again - 
Lord knows he's got the gut. ;-)

Somehow, this ended up being about beating Notre Dame.  I think it was 
reading Jeff's post about beating them on NBC in 1995.

Ultimately, Walker's six win seasons came in a different era, and 
comparing the two is ultimately an amusing exercise, but no more.  The 
staffer who wrote the release should be commended anyway for doing their 
research, even if you find flaws in it.  This season is a magical one 
already, and I fault no one for celebrating it.

Well, it's back to me researching the Buckeyes.

Go 'Cats, Beat their worthless Nuts,

Jonathan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov  8 11:53:23 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov  8 11:51:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Randy Walker
In-Reply-To: <1df.481962bc.30a216ad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c5e48d$50756640$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

He had them - Loren Howard transferred right before the season started and Corey
Wootton is hurt.

We have a couple of decent kids working at DE now and our "contain" has been
pretty good the last couple of weeks.

rsl

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 With  
> over 7000 undergraduate students on the Evanston, campus why 
> can't he find at  
> least two of them to rush the passer?

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov  8 11:50:20 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov  8 11:55:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/8
Message-ID: <000a01c5e48c$e3f0ca50$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Here we go Wildcat Fans - the daily take on Northwestern University sports,
including Football, Volleyball, Basketball, Soccer, Tennis and even more Alumni
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University Athletics

FOOTBALL

     No. 25 Northwestern Faces Road Test at 10th-Ranked Ohio State
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110705aac.html 
     + Offense still could use a tune-up
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051106colfootnu,1,5370
737.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Buckeyes demand more from Cats
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu08.html 
     + Monday 2 Deep Analysis 11/7
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/463781.html 
     + Walker isn't worried about a due letdown
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/08/4370431c79cf3 
     + Northwestern guards against OSU letdown
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=116114 

     Cardiac Cats do it again
      http://www.sportingnews.com/member/blog/weblog.php?w=823 

     Northwestern Jumps Back Into AP Top 25
      http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content.asp?ID=18753 

     Special teams honor to Howell
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051107colfootnu,1,6026
098.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Howells Named Big Ten Player of the Week
      http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content.asp?ID=18794 

     One that got away: Northwestern's Sutton running over Big Ten
 
http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/sports/content/sports/stories/2005/11/08/snssp
1108osufb.html 


     Murphy's Mark: 'Cats Are Bowl Eligible!
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/genrel/110705aad.html 

     Vote for Northwestern's 'Pontiac Game Changing Performance'
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110605aae.html 

Next Up

     @ Ohio State Buckeyes [11/12]
     Big-time back comes with a small frame
 
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15535595&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=4637
0&rfi=6 
     $ Ohio State Defense Rights Itself
      http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/463456.html 
     + Captain's Corner Audio: Senior Day
      http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/463463.html 
     + Buckeyes missed the boat on Akron-area star Sutton
 
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/content/sports/osu/daily/1108sutton.html 
     + Bucks will go bowling, but where?
 
http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051108/SPORTS/5
11080318/1006 
     + Ohio announces game with Ohio State
 
http://www.cleveland.com/sportsflash/osu/index.ssf?/base/sports-17/1131413343237
950.xml&storylist=osu 

Future Big 10 Opponents:

     Illinois Fighting Illini [11/19]

Miscellaneous Football News:

     Big Ten Weekly Football Release - Nov. 7
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110705aae.html 
     Big Ten Tied for Conference Lead with Five Teams in BCS Poll
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110705aak.html 
     I don't either...
     Vanderbilt coach doesn't get celebration rule 
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/football/ncaa/11/08/vanderbilt.ce
lebration.ap/index.html?section=si_ncaaf 

Recruiting

     Zook sells playing time to recruits
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051107colfootillini,1,
945450.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     John Stull Mizzu Commit Still Open
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=463681&nid=2261793&fhn=1&refid=4742


BASKETBALL

     Scout's Big 10 Top 25 Teams
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/463800.html 

     SportsXChange Inside Slant
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/teamReport?categoryId=71639&type=InsideSlant 
     + Notes & Quotes
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/teamReport?categoryId=71639&type=NotesAndQuotes 
     + Strategy and Personnel
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/teamReport?categoryId=71639&type=StrategyAndPersonn
el 

     Next up is the BCA Invitational
      http://www.gazellegroup.com/bcainvite/ 
     PRINTABLE BRACKET
      http://www.gazellegroup.com/bcainvite/bracket05.pdf 
     + All-Time Results
      http://www.gazellegroup.com/bcainvite/history.html 

     Lehigh Mountain Hawks Sunday - 9 PM
     Mountain Hawks moving closer to start of season
      http://www.lehighsports.com/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=4309 
     + Lehigh picked third as Patriot League holds media day
      http://www.lehighsports.com/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=4280 
     + 10 burning questions: Gilfillan hopes to lead Hawks to PL title
      http://www.bw.lehigh.edu/story.asp?ID=19144 

     Other Teams in our Bracket:
     Charlotte 49ers Picked To Finish Second In A-10
 
http://charlotte49ers.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/110405aaa.html 
     + Withers; Alexander Lead Niners To Exhibition Victory
 
http://charlotte49ers.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110205aab.html 

     Coppin State
     Men's Basketball Team Selected Sixth in Preseason Poll
      http://www.coppin.edu/athletics/article.asp?aID=rmcafee&sID=20051006102649

     + Four Student-Athletes Transfer From Coppin State University Men's
Basketball Program
      http://www.coppin.edu/athletics/article.asp?aID=DPopham&sID=20050901165253


BASEBALL

     Whips' Goebbert will play for NU
      http://www.nwherald.com/SportsSection/stevenson/318909041827706.php 

SOCCER

     Men
     Late offensive backfires as NU falls to last in Big Ten
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/08/4370450ee7c4a 

TENNIS

     Teammates take consolation in winning ITA doubles title
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/08/437043bf94be2 

VOLLEYBALL

     Northwestern Sweeps Big Ten Weekly Honors
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/110705aab.html 
     + Northwestern's Anderson and Gardner and Minnesota's Gentil Collect Weekly
Honors
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/110705aaa.html 

     Cats pull off sweep after Purdue upset, now sixth in league
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/08/437044425f067 

MISCELLANY

     "Shoeless" Joe Jackson's prized bat, Joe DiMaggio's 1936 New York Yankees
uniform and the original 1935 Heisman Trophy plaster sculpture will be auctioned
by Sotheby's in New York.
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/082sd9.htm 

ALUMNI

     Joe Girardi Marlins eager to finalize coaching staff
 
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051104&content_
id=1264719&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla 
     PGA: [Links on Player's Name is their live scorecard]
     Luke Donald Will be at the WGC - Algarve World Cup in Portugal
      http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/latest.sps?iTourNo=2005078 
     starting Nov 17th
     Bryant eclipses European challengers 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=EP5BSEXUXYBU5QFIQMFCFFWAV
CBQYIV0?xml=/sport/2005/11/07/sgus07.xml&sSheet=/sport/2005/11/08/ixgolf.html 

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From cdueltgen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 12:05:25 2005
From: cdueltgen at gmail.com (Cynthia Dueltgen)
Date: Tue Nov  8 12:06:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV story for this week
In-Reply-To: <79.51948209.30a2268c@aol.com>
References: <79.51948209.30a2268c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2268a9e80511081005s4ad2908cwf7b4b90d07d0323f@mail.gmail.com>

Harry (and any other Bay Area denizens lurking out there),
 I checked my tivo last night and while it doesn't list which games will be
shown yet, ABC 7 (San Francisco) claims it will show 3 games on Saturday
starting at 9am. So we have some chance of getting the 'Cats game on
broadcast.
 I live in Berkeley and never found a good bar that showed the games. LaVals
near campus might be your best bet. Finally gave in and got the Gameplan so
that I wouldn't miss any. In SF the only place I found that consistently
showed our games was the Final Final near the Presidio. So if you're heading
to Berkeley and don't want to sit in a bar, give me a holler off list. I'll
be watching at my house. The 9am kickoffs are a killer. I usually have
breakfast around halftime. Any other Bay Area residents are also welcome to
come by. I'll even provide breakfast. And beer. :)
 -Cynthia

 On 11/8/05, Hakirsch@aol.com <Hakirsch@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/8/2005 6:48:10 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> thehaze@earthlink.net writes:
>
> > Our game will not be on national television. Parts of the country will
> > get Oklahoma vs. Texas A&M on ABC in that 12 noon EST time slot. And,
> > the Pacific time zone will not get any game at all during that time
> > slot. The west coasters will instead get the UCLA vs. Arizona State
> > game at 7 pm EST / 4 pm PST.
> >
> > Our games against Penn State in 1995 and 1996 were also ABC regional
> > telecasts. The last time we had a game on national network television
> > (other than bowl games) was the NBC telecast of NU vs. Notre Dame in
> 1995.
> >
> > Jim B.
> >
> >
> >
>
> If true, it means this SF boy will have to get to the bar at 9 AM rather
> than the comfort of my home--I guess i will head over to a bar in Berkeley
> so
> that I can watch and then go to the USC/Cal game to see what might be the
> best
> college team ever
>
> Harry
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From johnl at mac.com  Tue Nov  8 12:27:57 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Tue Nov  8 12:28:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
In-Reply-To: <8C7B24030C6C010-AD8-2AB5@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C7B24030C6C010-AD8-2AB5@FWM-R35.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <11983305.1131474477479.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>

I still don't see the beef.  The press release says the following:

"Coach Randy Walker is the first Northwestern coach since 1931 to direct three consecutive Wildcat teams to six or more victories. The last coach to do it was Dick Hanley (1929 to 1931)." 

It doesn't "compare" anything.  It just notes the last time this happened.  It asserts no opinion about whether Walker or Hanley was a better coach.  This is one stat listed, among many, as you point out.  The fact that the press picked up on this stat and not others isn't the fault of the athletic department.  And incidentally, I think the press has given quite a lot of coverage to several of our players this year, in particular Bazanez.  The thing about six wins has been mentioned here and there, not exactly featured.

If Ohio State and Penn State both win out this year, do you expect OSU to release a press release saying that although Tressel has secured a share of another Big Ten title, fans shouldn't think much of this, because Woody would have won 'em all and would never have lost to Penn State?  Neither the sophisticated fan, nor the casual observer, needs this history lesson.  Why would we want to emphasize to the casual observer that our coach is just OK, but not really that good?  I simply don't see the logic.  When it comes to promoting the current program, why do we urge "restraint?"


On Tuesday, November 08, 2005, at 01:01AM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

>Stephen is exactly right - if the press release had just said something like 'back-to-back-to-back six-win seasons', everything would have been fine.  But the press release compared eras - It specifically compared the present to the Dick Hanley era:
> 
>http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/110505aah.html
> 
>College football fans (and NU list members) know that comparing eras is wrong - but casual readers don't always - making it even more necessary for the Athletic office to exercise restraint in writing their press releases.
> 
>I note also that the press release mentions at length career milestones for Baz, McGarigle, Sutton, Philmore, Lane, Henderson, Herbert...But the Sun-Times beat reporter didn't mention any of that.  She just regurgitated the 'six-win' information.  I think I speak for most list members when I say that the Athletic office should emphasize on-field (and off-field) accomplishments of our student athletes, as opposed to simplistic (and sometimes misleading) comparisons of coaching records across eras.  Then perhaps the press would emphasize those things too.
> 
>Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Sent: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:54:47 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>
>
>>  This '6-win' nonsense has to be addressed.
>>  
>> What we know - RW has had 3 consecutive 6-win
>> seasons.  The last instance of 3 consecutive 6-win
>> seasons was indeed 1929-1931.
>>  
>> BUT
>>  
>> During the Dick Hanley era (1927-1934), Northwestern
>> averaged 8.25 games a year.  These consisted of 5.38
>
>I don't think anyone's saying that -- as mentioned
>with numbers from rushing and passing records to
>coaching win totals, you can't compare eras.
>
>What it does say is that Northwestern -- for the first
>time in a long time -- has reached that magical 6-win
>mark (usually a bowl mark - save for stupid 12-game
>seasons in Hawaii:) ) for the third straight year.
>It's a solid step toward building a consistent
>program.
>
>For instance, Big Ten teams that have currently put
>together 6-win seasons (including this year):
>Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota. Iowa can
>add to the list, but it'll be tough. So that puts us
>in the upper half of the league.
>
>You can't compare eras - but that 6 win mark is a big
>one for modern football and consistency. Hopefully
>it'll be the foundation of the program for years to
>come and that extra practice will help get the young
>line to become more dominant for Sutton next year.
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>
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From jason at jasonsinger.com  Tue Nov  8 12:25:19 2005
From: jason at jasonsinger.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Tue Nov  8 12:28:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV story for this week
In-Reply-To: <2268a9e80511081005s4ad2908cwf7b4b90d07d0323f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200511081825.jA8IPD4c031859@host14.webserver1010.com>

Cynthia wrote:
>showed our games was the Final Final near the Presidio. So if you're
>heading to Berkeley and don't want to sit in a bar, give me a holler off
>list. I'll be watching at my house. The 9am kickoffs are a killer. I
>usually have breakfast around halftime. Any other Bay Area residents are
>also welcome to come by. I'll even provide breakfast. And beer. :)
> -Cynthia

So for you Angelenos...
Ditto for me and Los Angeles. I live near The Grove and can handle about
four or five people to watch the game at my apartment if it's only on
GamePlan. No beer, but I will have bagels! Email me separately if
interested. Cheers!

Jason Singer SP'86

From szeller at comcast.net  Tue Nov  8 12:36:57 2005
From: szeller at comcast.net (szeller@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Nov  8 12:38:11 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV story for this week
Message-ID: <110820051836.819.4370F0490007A2850000033322070215539D0A04040A969C@comcast.net>

Your problem in finding a good location for the games may be a reluctance to consider the other side of the Caldecott Tunnel. I live in Orinda, which borders Berkeley in the Hills and is on the other side of the tunnel. If you go to Walnut Creek, just a few miles east of Berkeley, there are several bars that have dozens of TVs and always show the NU games. Several of us meet up regularly at the Stadium Pub -- where most of the TVs are plasma and it has the added bonus of being owned by Chicago folks, so it is decorated with Chicago sports memorabilia and serves Chicago-style Vienna red hots for only $2. Also good in Walnut Creek is Crogan's, and they have the added advantage of a full breakfast for morning games. 
Maybe we'll see you at one of these spots!
p.s. On Saturday mornings the tunnel is going 60 miles an hour in both directions, absolutely a breeze to go through.

Scott Zeller MD
Med '86

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Harry (and any other Bay Area denizens lurking out there), 
> I checked my tivo last night and while it doesn't list which games will be 
> shown yet, ABC 7 (San Francisco) claims it will show 3 games on Saturday 
> starting at 9am. So we have some chance of getting the 'Cats game on 
> broadcast. 
> I live in Berkeley and never found a good bar that showed the games. LaVals 
> near campus might be your best bet. Finally gave in and got the Gameplan so 
> that I wouldn't miss any. In SF the only place I found that consistently 
> showed our games was the Final Final near the Presidio. So if you're heading 
> to Berkeley and don't want to sit in a bar, give me a holler off list. I'll 
> be watching at my house. The 9am kickoffs are a killer. I usually have 
> breakfast around halftime. Any other Bay Area residents are also welcome to 
> come by. I'll even provide breakfast. And beer. :) 
> -Cynthia 
> 
> On 11/8/05, Hakirsch@aol.com wrote: 
> > 
> > In a message dated 11/8/2005 6:48:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> > thehaze@earthlink.net writes: 
> > 
> > > Our game will not be on national television. Parts of the country will 
> > > get Oklahoma vs. Texas A&M on ABC in that 12 noon EST time slot. And, 
> > > the Pacific time zone will not get any game at all during that time 
> > > slot. The west coasters will instead get the UCLA vs. Arizona State 
> > > game at 7 pm EST / 4 pm PST. 
> > > 
> > > Our games against Penn State in 1995 and 1996 were also ABC regional 
> > > telecasts. The last time we had a game on national network television 
> > > (other than bowl games) was the NBC telecast of NU vs. Notre Dame in 
> > 1995. 
> > > 
> > > Jim B. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > If true, it means this SF boy will have to get to the bar at 9 AM rather 
> > than the comfort of my home--I guess i will head over to a bar in Berkeley 
> > so 
> > that I can watch and then go to the USC/Cal game to see what might be the 
> > best 
> > college team ever 
> > 
> > Harry 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > nwu-sports site list 
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com 
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports 
> > 
> > 
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From cdueltgen at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 12:52:12 2005
From: cdueltgen at gmail.com (Cynthia Dueltgen)
Date: Tue Nov  8 12:53:15 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV story for this week
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I went to the Stadium Pub a couple of times a few years ago before I got the
gameplan, and when I had friends in Walnut Creek. It's a really good bar to
watch the games at. But it's just as far from my house in Berkeley as any
bar in SF. A 30 minute drive to a bar for a 9am kickoff means I'm getting up
earlier than I go to work most days. I'd much rather just wake up and watch
the game at home. And I've got the tivo, so I can timeshift as needed.
 I've found the tunnel a breeze at 8:30 am on Saturday, not so much for the
return trip in the middle of the day. Often has a nasty backup coming the
other way. Which probably contributes to my reluctance. :) Not really any
worse than the bay bridge, but there are ways to mitigate that one.
 -Cynthia

 On 11/8/05, szeller@comcast.net <szeller@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Your problem in finding a good location for the games may be a reluctance
> to consider the other side of the Caldecott Tunnel. I live in Orinda, which
> borders Berkeley in the Hills and is on the other side of the tunnel. If you
> go to Walnut Creek, just a few miles east of Berkeley, there are several
> bars that have dozens of TVs and always show the NU games. Several of us
> meet up regularly at the Stadium Pub -- where most of the TVs are plasma and
> it has the added bonus of being owned by Chicago folks, so it is decorated
> with Chicago sports memorabilia and serves Chicago-style Vienna red hots for
> only $2. Also good in Walnut Creek is Crogan's, and they have the added
> advantage of a full breakfast for morning games.
> Maybe we'll see you at one of these spots!
> p.s. On Saturday mornings the tunnel is going 60 miles an hour in both
> directions, absolutely a breeze to go through.
>  Scott Zeller MD
> Med '86
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > Harry (and any other Bay Area denizens lurking out there),
> > I checked my tivo last night and while it doesn't list which games will
> be
> > shown yet, ABC 7 (San Francisco) claims it will show 3 games on Saturday
>
> > starting at 9am. So we have some chance of getting the 'Cats game on
> > broadcast.
> > I live in Berkeley and never found a good bar that showed the games.
> LaVals
> > near campus might be your best bet. Finally gave in and got the Gameplan
> so
> > that I wouldn't miss any. In SF the only place I found that consistently
>
> > showed our games was the Final Final near the Presidio. So if you're
> heading
> > to Berkeley and don't want to sit in a bar, give me a holler off list.
> I'll
> > be watching at my house. The 9am kickoffs are a killer. I usually have
> > breakfast around halftime. Any other Bay Area residents are also welcome
> to
> > come by. I'll even provide breakfast. And beer. :)
> > -Cynthia
> >
> > On 11/8/05, Hakirsch@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 6:48:10 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > thehaze@earthlink.net writes:
> > >
> > > > Our game will not be on national television. Parts of the country
> will
> > > > get Oklahoma vs. Texas A&M on ABC in that 12 noon EST time slot.
> And,
> > > > the Pacific time zone will not get any game at all during that time
> > > > slot. The west coasters will instead get the UCLA vs. Arizona State
> > > > game at 7 pm EST / 4 pm PST.
> > > >
> > > > Our games against Penn State in 1995 and 1996 were also ABC regional
>
> > > > telecasts. The last time we had a game on national network
> television
> > > > (other than bowl games) was the NBC telecast of NU vs. Notre Dame in
>
> > > 1995.
> > > >
> > > > Jim B.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > If true, it means this SF boy will have to get to the bar at 9 AM
> rather
> > > than the comfort of my home--I guess i will head over to a bar in
> Berkeley
> > > so
> > > that I can watch and then go to the USC/Cal game to see what might be
> the
> > > best
> > > college team ever
> > >
> > > Harry
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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Tue Nov  8 14:01:05 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Tue Nov  8 14:02:21 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
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> Why would we want to emphasize to the casual observer that our coach is 
> just OK, but not really that good?  I simply don't see the logic.

If your project was getting our coach fired, then you might see the logic.

;-)

Just kidding.

Go 'Cats,

Jonathan

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 14:32:23 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov  8 14:33:27 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
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I just read Mark Murphy's notes about our bowl eligibility, listed here:

http://nusports.collegesports.com/genrel/110705aad.html

And he said the following about the bowl selection order:

"In selecting schools from the Big Ten, a bowl only considers a team's
overall record (not the record or finish in the conference) and can
select a team with one less overall win, but not two less wins."

So, this rule apparently does exist, although I don't think it will
come into play this year as we seem to be locked into the bottom tier
of Big Ten bowls right now.  Hopefully as the season sorts itself out
we will have a better idea of what bowl games are likely (it seems to
me that we're a virtual lock for the Music City Bowl right now - who
said they would take us last year if we were bowl eligible).

Jonathan


On 11/6/05, Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Big Ten BCS representative is determined using the following order
> (see this page:
> http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html
> for more information):
>
> 1. conference record
> 2. head-to-head victory
> 3. overall record
> 4. team that has not had the BCS/Rose Bowl bid in the longest
>
> PSU holds all tiebreakers as long as it beats MSU to finish the
> season.  If they lose that game, the winner of the Ohio State/Michigan
> game would go (assuming OSU beats NU and Michigan beats Indiana).
> Those are the only teams that have the possibility of grabbing the BCS
> bid right now.  Other teams could still tie PSU in the standings (NU,
> Wisconsin) but do not hold the tiebreaker.
>
> About the bowl picking order, as far as I know they can pick any
> eligible team.  I have heard about a rule that they cannot pick anyone
> with greater than one loss (overall) than the next team in the Big Ten
> standings, but I have never been able to verify this rule.  It is
> probably in the contracts with the bowls if it does exist, and
> probably not widely publicized.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On 11/6/05, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > I know its very improbable, but does anyone know
> > > what would the tie-breaker
> > > > be if Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin and NU
> > > tied for first place with 6-2
> > > > records?
> > >
> > > I think the tie-breaks for the BCS slot are based on
> > > the BCS standings.
> >
> > I think the Big Ten still goes by the old rules ...
> >
> > 1) Head to head
> > 2) Overall mark
> >
> > In this case, head to head wouldn't work equally, so
> > by #2, OSU and NU would be eliminated (Texas and ASU
> > losses) and we'd go back to head to head PSU-UW. Ditto
> > for if Michigan beats OSU and gets in the tiebreak.
> >
> > Pretty much, PSU has all the tiebreaks here unless
> > they somehow wind up in a tie with only Michigan ...
> > plus Lloyd Carr's :02. :)
> >
> > > If past experience is any indication, the bowls will
> > > ignore any tiebreaks
> > > in the conference standings and take who they want.
> > > That tends to favor
> >
> > I believe there is a clause in there somewhere about
> > being no more than 2 conference losses apart to jump
> > order (i.e. you can't take a 4-4 OSU over a 7-1 NU for
> > the Citrus), but yeah - pretty much it's up to the
> > bowls after that.
> >
> > GO CATS!!!
> > -SjT
> >
> > * * * * * * * * *
> > STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> > sjtruog@yahoo.com
> > GO CATS!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 15:05:57 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov  8 15:07:20 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
Message-ID: <89.32b047d7.30a26d35@aol.com>

I think if we somehow upset the Bucks we will suddenly be thrust into the  
"top tier" of BT Bowl affiliates, behind Joe Pa and probably Mich. (if they beat 
 OSU next week) and hopefully ahead of OSU and Wisky, both of whom we will 
have  beaten in nationally-televised contests.  Maybe I am wearing Citrus- or  
Outback-colored glasses, but that's how I feel.    At least in NY  we seem to 
be everyone's "darling" again, as our comebacks are becoming quite a  story.
 
Paul Levinson
From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 15:53:14 2005
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov  8 15:54:48 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
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I think it's a real stretch that we could leapfrog over OSU (even with a victory at the Shoe)in Bowl selections --remember we were in a 3 way tie for the Big 10 Chamionship in 2000 and got the 4th Bowl game behind Purdue, Mich and OSU even though we had beaten Mich --The big thing that might help us is that we have a lot of alums out there in the press rooms to keep talking up our story
 
Harry
 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)


I think if we somehow upset the Bucks we will suddenly be thrust into the  
"top tier" of BT Bowl affiliates, behind Joe Pa and probably Mich. (if they beat 

 OSU next week) and hopefully ahead of OSU and Wisky, both of whom we will 
have  beaten in nationally-televised contests.  Maybe I am wearing Citrus- or  
Outback-colored glasses, but that's how I feel.    At least in NY  we seem to 
be everyone's "darling" again, as our comebacks are becoming quite a  story.
 
Paul Levinson
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 16:20:43 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov  8 16:21:47 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
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I think the highest bowl we would have a possibility of making would
be the Alamo, although they most likely would not take us since we
went in 2000 (and Michigan may very well be available for that bowl,
and they haven't gone there since 1995).  PSU has all but locked up
the BCS bid.  OSU a strong contender for an at large BCS bid, but some
teams ahead of them need to lose for them to move in (and a ND at
large bid would hurt their chances, with the Fiesta bowl most likely
taking ND).  Depending on the final records, OSU, Michigan, and
Wisconsin will probably end up in the CapitalOne, Outback, and Alamo
bowls.  Since Wisconsin was in the Outback last year and OSU was in
the Alamo, they will probably not see repeat appearances (although if
they are available they will probably be taken over a team like us).

I doubt that we will have enough draw to leap into one of those spots,
unless we win out and one of the teams listed above loses their final
2 games (in which case they still may be selected ahead of us).  NU
and Minnesota are the only remaining currently bowl eligible teams,
and Minnesota has a tough remaining schedule and may not pick up
another win while we have a good chance of picking up one more.  If
the Sun wants to pick us I think they will have good reason to do so,
considering we have never been and the other teams available have had
relatively disappointing seasons (Minnesota, possibly MSU and Iowa,
probably not Indiana).  The Music City bowl would almost definitely
take us since the would have last year, and probably don't want a
repeat Minnesota visit.  I doubt we'll see another visit to Motor City
since if MSU is available they will take them without a doubt.  As
long as we pick up another win there is no reason why we would be
passed over by all the Big Ten bowls.

I think after this Saturday the picture will become much clearer,
although it may come down to the final week of conference play to lock
everything in place (I know Wisconsin has Hawaii after that, but I'm
sure they will try to confirm their bowl before going to play in the
stadium where bowl dreams die).

Jonathan


On 11/8/05, hakirsch@aol.com <hakirsch@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> I think it's a real stretch that we could leapfrog over OSU (even with a
> victory at the Shoe)in Bowl selections --remember we were in a 3 way tie for
> the Big 10 Chamionship in 2000 and got the 4th Bowl game behind Purdue, Mich
> and OSU even though we had beaten Mich --The big thing that might help us is
> that we have a lot of alums out there in the press rooms to keep talking up
> our story
>
> Harry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NEONRye@aol.com
> To: jonathanwhodges@gmail.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Sent: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:05:57 EST
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
>
>
> I think if we somehow upset the Bucks we will suddenly be thrust into the
> "top tier" of BT Bowl affiliates, behind Joe Pa and probably Mich. (if they
> beat
>
>  OSU next week) and hopefully ahead of OSU and Wisky, both of whom we will
> have beaten in nationally-televised contests. Maybe I am wearing Citrus- or
> Outback-colored glasses, but that's how I feel. At least in NY we seem to
> be everyone's "darling" again, as our comebacks are becoming quite a story.
>
> Paul Levinson
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>


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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Tue Nov  8 21:26:15 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Tue Nov  8 21:27:11 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
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Jonathan Hodges wrote:

>I think the highest bowl we would have a possibility of making would
>be the Alamo, although they most likely would not take us since we
>went in 2000 (and Michigan may very well be available for that bowl,
>and they haven't gone there since 1995).  PSU has all but locked up
>the BCS bid.  OSU a strong contender for an at large BCS bid, but some
>teams ahead of them need to lose for them to move in (and a ND at
>large bid would hurt their chances, with the Fiesta bowl most likely
>taking ND).  Depending on the final records, OSU, Michigan, and
>Wisconsin will probably end up in the CapitalOne, Outback, and Alamo
>bowls.  Since Wisconsin was in the Outback last year and OSU was in
>the Alamo, they will probably not see repeat appearances (although if
>they are available they will probably be taken over a team like us).
>  
>
All ND has to do is win out to secure the BCS bid.  They are a lock if 
they do and most likely will be in the Fiesta as it will have first pick 
for losing Texas to the Rose Bowl.  Somehow, the Big Ten doesn't get 
compensated for losing the Rose Bowl to Texas but thems the rules.  At 
this point, OSU is a contender but probably not the strongest contender 
for the remaining at large slot, but there are a lot of games left to be 
played and we have seen that November has a way of killing many BCS 
dreams.  Just as an example, we have an excellent opporunity to bury 
OSU's BCS hopes this weekend.  As we head to Columbus, we will have the 
cheers of fans from all over the South and throughout the state of 
Oregon behind us as well as all good Cat fans.
Mark

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  9 00:45:57 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Wed Nov  9 00:49:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
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Don't overlook the possibility of going to the Sun Bowl.  They haven't 
had us before, and it's a chance to play in a bowl against a Pac-10 
team.  They have a pick ahead of the Music City and Motor City Bowls. 
 -- Jim B.



From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 02:27:45 2005
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed Nov  9 02:28:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] did anyone know or guess
Message-ID: <20051109082745.38827.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com>

That NU is third in I-A in ... punt returns? I sure
would not have guessed it, but, according to NCAA
stats moved by the AP today, that is the case. 

bw 

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 06:47:57 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Nov  9 06:49:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] did anyone know or guess
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Cole's 80+ yard return for a TD against NIU is still inflating the
punt return average for us.  Outside of that we have not had many
returns at all, mostly fair catches and no returns since then. 
Hamlett had that big return against Wisconsin on a kickoff (different
category).  Outside of those returns our special teams return teams
have not done too much (see Iowa game where they held us at or inside
the 20 on all kickoffs).

Jonathan

On 11/9/05, Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com> wrote:
> That NU is third in I-A in ... punt returns? I sure
> would not have guessed it, but, according to NCAA
> stats moved by the AP today, that is the case.
>
> bw
>
> "Entertainment is what which you receive without effort. Art is something where you must make some kind of effort, and you get more than you had before." -- Charles Wuorinen
>
> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
>
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 07:06:11 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov  9 07:07:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <43719B25.9050906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051109130612.28923.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com>

> Don't overlook the possibility of going to the Sun
> Bowl.  They haven't 

I guess I'm just hoping we can ignore it.

The Sun Bowl is just not a good bowl for the Big Ten
and it's good we're getting out of it next year.

Put aside the remote location in El Paso and the
mid-afternoon time that doesn't get as many fans or
viewers.

What worries me most is that we have our 5th pick
against the Pac 10's 3rd pick and it usually isn't a
bowl set up to favor the Big Ten. This year, with
UCLA's loss, I doubt that the Pac 10 will get two BCS
bids. That means we could be facing a 1-loss Oregon or
2-loss UCLA in El Paso.

But I really don't care where we go - I'm just happy
we're going.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 07:12:11 2005
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov  9 07:13:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] did anyone know or guess
Message-ID: <228.c5933e.30a34fab@aol.com>

Can you think of the last time that anyone returned a punt though. I can't  
recall a time in the last two games vrs Iowa or Michigan that Philmore returned 
 a punt. Seems the only reason he is back there is to fair catch.
 
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 08:18:14 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Nov  9 08:19:18 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] did anyone know or guess
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Iowa and Michigan both got off very good, high punts and had excellent
coverage with their flankers standing in Philmore's face when he
caught the ball.  Also, Philmore has not attempted to catch the ball
inside the 10, which Cole did a couple times and luckily did not muff
any of them.  I doubt that we will have a chance to return any against
OSU as they have a good punter and punt team as usual and will most
likely have good coverage as well.

Jonathan

On 11/9/05, HUDHAIFA3@aol.com <HUDHAIFA3@aol.com> wrote:
> Can you think of the last time that anyone returned a punt though. I can't
> recall a time in the last two games vrs Iowa or Michigan that Philmore returned
>  a punt. Seems the only reason he is back there is to fair catch.
>
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 08:54:21 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov  9 08:55:40 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
Message-ID: <12c.6989fa2f.30a3679d@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/9/2005 5:08:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:

> Don't overlook the possibility of going to the Sun
> >Bowl.  They haven't 
> 
> I guess I'm just hoping we can ignore it.
> 
> The Sun Bowl is just not a good bowl for the Big Ten
> and it's good we're getting out of it next year.
> 
> Put aside the remote location in El Paso and the
> mid-afternoon time that doesn't get as many fans or
> viewers.
> 
> What worries me most is that we have our 5th pick
> against the Pac 10's 3rd pick and it usually isn't a
> bowl set up to favor the Big Ten. This year, with
> UCLA's loss, I doubt that the Pac 10 will get two BCS
> bids. That means we could be facing a 1-loss Oregon or
> 2-loss UCLA in El Paso.
> 
> But I really don't care where we go - I'm just happy
> we're going.:)
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> 

Well I can tell you that I am planning on going anywhere the Cats go to for a 
Bowl except El Paso--Hope this doesn't offend anyone who lives there

Harry
From johnl at mac.com  Wed Nov  9 17:43:36 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Wed Nov  9 17:44:13 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV Coverage Map for OSU Game
In-Reply-To: <12c.6989fa2f.30a3679d@aol.com>
References: <12c.6989fa2f.30a3679d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <11086446.1131579816831.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>

The ABC coverage map is now available on the NU Sports site for our game this weekend.

Sorry about my earlier post saying that it would be a national broadcast.  Although it's not a national broadcast, it will be shown along the entire east coast, throughout the midwest, and throughout the southeast.

I'm not making any predictions about whether we'll win our lose, but I think that it will help now that the pressure to win at least one more game is off.  Frankly, the only thing at stake in this game is a win over Ohio State.  The ramifications beyond that are few, as we've discussed on the list.  A win probably won't change our position for bowls very much, if at all, and the team probably knows that, too.  With this pressure off, I think we may have a better chance of putting in a good performance.  We seem to get jittery when the heat is on (see Michigan and Iowa).  I like our chances playing as underdogs without too much at stake.  The prospect of taking away a W from the Shoe should be enough motivation without the distraction of other possible ramifications.

See the following link for the coverage map:

http://www.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/nw/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/abcmap

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov  9 18:09:27 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov  9 18:07:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] TV Coverage Map for OSU Game
In-Reply-To: <11086446.1131579816831.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001001c5e58b$03e2feb0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Not sure about my wife, but if you folks live in the west, you can fly in and
watch it with me here in Seaford, DE.

Reminder: I drink cheap beer so if you like anything better, bring your own. 

Also, I have to transcribe the post game interviews [for Purple Reign] so I'm
not much of a host after the game is over. However, you can play with my dog and
listen to my dad hold forth about the good old days....<g>

Call for directions.

I expect a close win by Northwestern, BTW, and am on record with the Bucknuts
Radio Show as such.

Go Cats.

rsl

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From BSchooler at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 19:42:44 2005
From: BSchooler at aol.com (BSchooler@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov  9 19:56:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] More Good News For Northwestern
Message-ID: <d9.3222137d.30a3ff94@aol.com>

Northwestern's Director of Undergraduate Admissions, Keith Todd, was in 
Austin on October 26 for the annual Hotel Information Session here. Keith said that 
Northwestern had already received over 12,000 applications as of that date; a 
figure that would put NU on track to break the previous record for number of 
applications. This confirms anecdotal evidence I had seen (running out of 
brochures at college fairs) that there was an unusual increase in interest in 
Northwestern. Apparently, Northwestern is one of the "hot" schools again. A large 
increase in applications leads to greater selectivity which, in turn, leads to 
higher rankings. And all of this took place before most of our football 
team's success. 

Northwestern has gained a lot of respect in Texas the past few years; both 
academically and athletically. Before 1995, a surprising number of folks in 
Austin knew very little about Northwestern. But over the past couple years, 
interest in and awareness of Northwestern has skyrocketed. We are mobbed at high 
school college fairs. Everyone knows about our performing arts programs, Medill, 
Kellogg, and now, our football team. Perhaps this is because we are on 
national TV so much. Even when we lost to Michigan, we benefited from a large 
headline at the top of one of the Sunday sports section pages that read "Michigan 
Schools Northwestern". On the HornFans and Orangebloods websites, Northwestern is 
mentioned often and usually with respect. Some fans down here refer to Randy 
Walker as a "genius". I'll pass on the genius label and credit Walker with 
coaching a hard nosed, physically tough team that never quits while maintaining 
the top graduation rate in all of Division 1A football. And I'll credit 
Northwestern President Henry Bienen with taking Northwestern to the next level; 
something that is very difficult to do in our rarified air. 

Bob Schooler
From johnl at mac.com  Wed Nov  9 23:15:56 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Wed Nov  9 23:16:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
Message-ID: <2bfd27379f9c7f07b0fc5514df3e7c3f@mac.com>

After giving it some thought, Saturday's win over Iowa ranks at the top 
of my list of Northwestern improbable come-from-behind victories.  The 
description "improbable" incorporates a number of factors including the 
size of the deficit overcome and the lateness in the came that the 
comeback occurred.

The Iowa victory ranks at the top of my list because we overcame a 13 
point deficit in the final 3:30 with no timeouts remaining.  In those 
final minutes, we required 124 yards of offense and recovery of an 
onside kick to perfect the victory.

The following are the runners-up on my list:

2) Michigan 1996
We trailed to Michigan 16-0 entering the fourth quarter and won by 
scoring 3 field goals and a TD with a 2-point conversion.  We scored 
the final field goal with 13 seconds remaining.

3) at Minnesota 2000
Down 35-14 late in the fourth quarter, we rallied to score 4 straight 
touchdowns, including the game winning score (victory-right) with no 
time remaining.  The final TD was an exclamation point on this 
improbable comeback, but even without it we would have gone to OT, and 
had we won in OT, this still would have been an improbable comeback.  
We converted on numerous fourth downs in the fourth quarter to keep 
essential drives alive.

4) Michigan State 2001
After we scored what appeared to be the game-winning TD with 29 second 
remaining, MSU returned the ensuing kickoff for a TD, leaving us with 
only 18 second.  But once again employing victory-right, we quickly got 
into field goal range and kicked a 47-yarder with no time remaining.

5) at Wisconsin 1996
The game appeared to be over and Wisconsin was running out the clock, 
until Ron Dayne fumbled with under a minute to play.  There was just 
enough time for a couple more plays capped off by a 20-yard Schnur to 
Bates TD pass.

6) Michigan 2000
This game appeared over after Damien Anderson couldn't pull in a TD 
pass with 1:30 remaining.  But then the A-Train fumbled with just 46 
second remaining, setting up the winning TD.

Am I overlooking any?  My Northwestern football memory only goes back 
to the mid-90s.

From wseliger at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 23:31:57 2005
From: wseliger at aol.com (wseliger@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov  9 23:33:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tickets for OSU Game?
In-Reply-To: <11086446.1131579816831.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>
References: <12c.6989fa2f.30a3679d@aol.com>
	<11086446.1131579816831.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8C7B3CF33AF2412-38C-8B25@FWM-D28.sysops.aol.com>

 I know this is a long shot, but I'll try anyway:
 
I'm looking for 3 tickets for the OSU game. Does anyone on the list perchance have tickets with which they need to part?
 
 - Bill Seliger
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847.875.1216
From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 00:05:48 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 10 00:06:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
Message-ID: <25f.a71fd4.30a43d3c@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/9/2005 9:17:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, johnl@mac.com 
writes:

> Am I overlooking any?  My Northwestern football memory only goes back 
> to the mid-90s.
> 
> _______________________________________________

Well it's ok that your NU memory doesn't go back to the 80's because there 
were so few wins, that it is hard to imagine any of them being greater comebacks 
--Not even the 1982 win over MSU--our first Big 10 road win in about 7 
years--Schwab (was QB) caught the winning TD pass on a trick play with under a 
minute to play

Harry
From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Thu Nov 10 00:30:03 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (prplehaze@insightbb.com)
Date: Thu Nov 10 00:30:53 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] What if.............. (fwd)
Message-ID: <111020050630.5948.4372E8EB000131F90000173C21979267610A960E080A049F9D9F@insightbb.com>

and now you know why the Big Ten dropped its affiliation with the Sun Bowl after
this year's game.
--
Mark Ament
SportsBiz
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sportsbiz@gmail.com


> In a message dated 11/9/2005 5:08:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> > Don't overlook the possibility of going to the Sun
> > >Bowl.  They haven't 
> > 
> > I guess I'm just hoping we can ignore it.
> > 
> > The Sun Bowl is just not a good bowl for the Big Ten
> > and it's good we're getting out of it next year.
> > 
> > Put aside the remote location in El Paso and the
> > mid-afternoon time that doesn't get as many fans or
> > viewers.
> > 
> > What worries me most is that we have our 5th pick
> > against the Pac 10's 3rd pick and it usually isn't a
> > bowl set up to favor the Big Ten. This year, with
> > UCLA's loss, I doubt that the Pac 10 will get two BCS
> > bids. That means we could be facing a 1-loss Oregon or
> > 2-loss UCLA in El Paso.
> > 
> > But I really don't care where we go - I'm just happy
> > we're going.:)
> > 
> > GO CATS!!!
> > -SjT
> > 
> > 
> 
> Well I can tell you that I am planning on going anywhere the Cats go to for a 
> Bowl except El Paso--Hope this doesn't offend anyone who lives there
> 
> Harry
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From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Wed Nov  9 21:49:10 2005
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris Patterson)
Date: Thu Nov 10 02:22:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Question on Defense
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051103213406.034bfcd8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <006801c5e5a9$b6e26050$8600a8c0@Audubon.local>

BTW, I too, have a very favorable opinion of RW, but have a historical
question concerning the  defense on past teams; "With the exception of Ron
Vanderlinden (in his last two years) as defensive coordinator, when has NU
had a really good defense, and let's restrict our answer to those teams
under Barnett and Walker?

Also, what is RW's record when leading or losing going into the second half?
Is that even a meaningful stat? I know RW's record when leading going into
the 4th quarter is nothing short of exceptional. The PSU game being that
rare exception. And we all know the Cardiac Cats' OT record is superb, too.

Chris Patterson
Knoxville, TN

Go CATS!!

PS. I stayed to the end Saturday!! I love this "never quit" attitude Barnett
and Walker have instilled in this program.  Now if those fans that left
would start believing too, :).



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Vance
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:49 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan comment


This may sound a little negative, but it seems that in talking about how 
awesome our offense is that people have forgotten that while we've been 
pretty consistent in the first half of games, we have been wildly 
inconsistent in the second.  We've had two conference games -- Wisconsin 
and MSU -- where the offense came out and completely kicked butt after 
halftime, and three where the offense has been questionable.  Against PSU, 
we moved the ball but couldn't put it in the end zone and had to settle for 
field goals.  At Purdue, we were held scoreless until that final drive, 
when we needed it to win.  And then the Michigan game, which everyone seems 
to be treating as an anomaly.

I generally like RW as a coach.  Like others, I've been disappointed with 
the defense and the place kicking and coverage units.  But the thing that 
has frustrated me the most about RW and Dunbar has been the second 
half.  It's convenient to blame the O-Line for the penalties on Saturday, 
and they certainly deserved their fair share, but when second half clam-ups 
happen so often, week after week, season after season, especially when we 
have a lead, part of the blame has to go on the coaches.

Is it a failure to adjust?  I don't think so, because when you have a lead 
(like the PSU and Purdue games), or when you've been moving the ball and 
just having some turnover problems (Michigan), there's what's to adjust in 
the basic offensive scheme?  Keep doing what you've been doing (but hang on 
to the ball).  Is it a failure to re-adjust to the oppositions 
adjustments?  That seemed like it may have been at least part of the case 
against Michigan.  Is it over-anticipating our opponents halftime 
adjustments?  Maybe.  It wouldn't be the first time that NU football had 
been accused of thinking too much.  Or is it just fatigue?  We have been 
getting far better talent since 95/96, but we've rarely been deep at every 
position.  Does that set in in the second half?

That's part of why I'm with Eric as far as being worried about a Ferentz 
team that has had two weeks to prepare.  The offense needs to be firing on 
all cylinders because we're at a serious risk of getting outcoached, 
especially after halftime.

-Michael

At 11/3/2005 09:15 PM, WildElk2@aol.com wrote:
>    Lot's of good stuff this week.  I thought our defense played their
>asses off in the 2nd half; they single-handedly kept us in the game.
>    .02: Was anyone surprised by the lack of designed running plays by 
>Baz; I don't remember a single one in the 2nd half. Also, when it 
>became apparent that Mesh had snuffed out the screens, why did we keep
throwing them?  Hmmm...
>   The concern I have is, did Michigan "find something"?  It was the 
>first time on offense that we were really spinning our wheels.  Hard to 
>tell, as our play selection and execution was lousy.  As it is in these 
>situations, maybe a
>combination of both.
>    However, we have too many leaders on offense to not correct these
flaws.
>As RW says, it's how you respond.  And as Brad Wilson has pointed out, the
>Michigan game doesn't make the season.
>    Iowa.  Truth be told, I'm not 100% sure of their record, but I know
it's
>similar to ours.  I know they can throw, and methinks we better get some
>turnovers, as I bet 40-plus passes will be headed our way.  I'm also 
>worried that a
>team coached by Kirk Ferentz will have 2 weeks to preoare for this game.
>    I usually have a definate opinion of who will win or lose. I can't draw
a
>bead on this game at all.  I hope we have a little, something extra for 
>senior
>day on saturday!
>
>    FWI: game vs. Ohio St. on ABC; 11 AM Cat Standard Time.
>
>              GO CATS!!!    ERIC
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 07:13:18 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Nov 10 07:14:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
In-Reply-To: <2bfd27379f9c7f07b0fc5514df3e7c3f@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20051110131318.29788.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com>

The five you listed below would be my top 5 - they all
seemed more improbable, IMO, than this Iowa one.
Though it was still great -- and the first time I
remember a recovered onside kick contributing to any
Cardiac Cats moment.

But that Michigan '96 game has gotta be #1 for me. It
was a game absolutely dominated by the Wolverines for
3 and a half quarters and all of a sudden a "perfect
storm" of defensive stuffs, offensive magic and
Michigan conservatism mixed for the unlikliest of
comebacks (as you say, we didn't just get 2 TDs and 2
two-point conversions ... we scored a TD and three --
actually four:) -- field goals).

Wisky '96, Minny '00 and Michigan '00 are a close
second -- all frantic, all amazing.

MSU '01 would be fifth on my list. That one kinda
seemed like this Iowa one -- a cruddy game for 55
minutes or so with little life. Then all of a sudden,
both teams started scoring like mad. Unlike Iowa's
stunned collapse, MSU matched our punch with that
kickoff return ... only to have Zak and Schweighardt
get into FG range.

But hey, I'll take any of 'em as long as they're wins.
Illinois '04 was a pretty improbable comeback as well
until Backes' punt return sent us into OT. I don't
care if we come back or rout 'em - just BEAT THE
BUCKS!!!

Great games all of 'em!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 09:18:28 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Nov 10 09:19:36 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
In-Reply-To: <2bfd27379f9c7f07b0fc5514df3e7c3f@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20051110151829.52169.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> Am I overlooking any?  My Northwestern football memory only goes back

The '92 comeback against Illinois, in Champaign. Down 3 TDs going into
the 4th, if memory serves. Comeback concluded with a spectacular diving
catch by (if I recall correctly) Richard Buchanan, who really had to
lay out to grab that one. Probably the high point of Northwestern
football up to that point in my time as an NU fan (beginning in '86). 

I haven't been in there lately, but there used to be a huge picture of
that game-winning catch up in the football building somewhere.

Tom

From jamsam22 at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 09:24:31 2005
From: jamsam22 at aol.com (jamsam22@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 10 09:28:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
In-Reply-To: <20051110151829.52169.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C7B421FBAEAE62-162C-A9D@FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com>

Lee Gissendaner. MVP of the Big 10 that year. 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>
To: NU Sports List <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:18:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks


> Am I overlooking any?  My Northwestern football memory only goes back

The '92 comeback against Illinois, in Champaign. Down 3 TDs going into
the 4th, if memory serves. Comeback concluded with a spectacular diving
catch by (if I recall correctly) Richard Buchanan, who really had to
lay out to grab that one. Probably the high point of Northwestern
football up to that point in my time as an NU fan (beginning in '86). 

I haven't been in there lately, but there used to be a huge picture of
that game-winning catch up in the football building somewhere.

Tom

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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Thu Nov 10 09:47:22 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Thu Nov 10 09:52:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Thoughts about OSU
Message-ID: <038101c5e60e$0a5c7810$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

Just spent a little bit looking at the play by play of NU's second half
against Michigan.  You have to figure that OSU is hoping to have the same
sort of success.
 
Turns out that it wasn't rocket science.  Three of our three-and-out's
started with incomplete passes on first down.  You can't do much about the
ones that were the result of coverage or a good pass rush, but that puts all
that much more pressure on our receivers to catch everything that comes
close to them.  Three other series that stalled were from holding penalties
on first or second down that put us behind the chains and in obvious passing
down situations.  The couple of plays where we ran on first down, we got
good yardage but didn't have very many successful second or third down
running plays again because they were often in long yardage situations.
 
We can't let OSU make us a one dimensional team like Michigan did.  Don't
know whether or not the O line is going to be able to establish the run, but
we have to be able to complete enough passes on first down to open up the
run and get their defenders out of the box and dropping into pass coverage.
I don't think that we will have any more success getting to the corner on
these guys than we did with Michigan.  So if we are going to have any hope
of getting the run going, it is going have to start between the tackles.
When we are able to get their defense to respect the pass, our O line has to
be able to execute their blocks against their D line.  When we run on first
down we have to pick up enough positive yards so that the run remains an
option on second and third down.  We also have eliminate offensive
turnovers.  Baez has to be patient and take what the defense is giving us.
OSU has been living off of points scored by their defense and typically
those have been game changing scores for them.   
 
It's going to be tough because OSU has the best pass and run defense in the
conference.
 
Hopefully we can hang around as we did with Iowa and pull something off at
the end.  I'm sure that OSU is going to want to get us a couple of scores
down early, as Michigan did, and then just play field position, dare us to
beat them with the pass, and try to score some points on turnovers..
 
Jeff
 
From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 09:52:46 2005
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 10 09:54:02 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
Message-ID: <12d.681a9960.30a4c6ce@aol.com>

Not sure of the year, but the game occured in Champaign, I do believe the  
wildcats trailed like 26-12 and they pulled out a 4th quarter victory. Lenny  
Williams to Lee Gissendaner to make it a 27-26  
Victory...............................
Those two gave it their all at NU................
If you remember correctly they were a field goal away from Sam Valensizi  
from being ranked.
The kick was up and good and the refs waived it off........and then the  
season went to hell........
From NEONRye at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 10:15:43 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 10 10:16:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Thoughts about OSU
Message-ID: <a1.6bbc12cd.30a4cc2f@aol.com>

I think Special Teams play may be the fulcrum on which the game  swings.  OSU 
is so dangerous on punt and kickoff returns.  Against  Michigan we were 
always pinned deep because their punter was a monster, as was  their PK guy, whose 
name escapes me.  We need good field position and to  not fall behind 2 TD's 
early, which seems to be our new habit, so that (a) we  are able to use our 
whole offensive game plan and (b) keep the noise factor  down, especially at the 
"shoe" end.  Also, we need to make our FG's and  have a decent punting game.  
We just can't give things away at all.
 
I am starting to believe that our "D" has found an identity--bend (a lot)  
but don't break, and take(away).  Sorry for the horrible pun.  They  are 
starting to make plays--and key stops--and in the process are actually  contributing 
to wins, rather than being an albatross the "O" has to  overcome.  
This is a game where if we can get over the initial nerves, and can hang  
around, and do our unique "Rope-A-Dope", our senior leadership, and the mental  
toughness that clearly has been forged (but was somehow lacking against Mich.), 
 could lead to a huge upset, or at least a closer than expected loss.
 
One fear I have is that Tyrell will be too psyched playing before the home  
state crowd.  We obviously need a big game out of him, and he certainly  will 
have a big stage on which to stake a future Heisman consideration  claim.   
This could be his (semi-) national coming out party, if he  can get off to a 
decent start, settle down into his usually-confident and  consistent mode, start 
moving the pile, maybe spring a long one to cause  OSU to put an extra player 
or two "in the box", and, most of all, not put the  ball on the ground.  
 
Paul Levinson
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 10 10:24:07 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Nov 10 10:22:27 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/10
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Thursday/Midweek Edition

A two day Over the Hump link list, with NU and Ohio State involved in two
football games. Soccer draws OSU in the first game of the Big 10 Tourney, then
Football heads to Columbus on Saturday.  Volleyball also in 
action this weekend, Swimming, Tennis and Alumni reports too...

  All the News that Fits We Link
    Your Index to News about
Northwestern University Athletics

FOOTBALL

     Brett Basanez Tabbed A Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award
Semifinalist
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110805aaa.html 
     + FIFTEEN SEMIFINALISTS ANNOUNCED FOR
     2005 DAVEY O'BRIEN NATIONAL QUARTERBACK AWARDT
      http://www.daveyobrien.com/Pages/PressRelease_watchList15.htm 
     Walker sends Iowa film to Big Ten
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-crep09.html 
     + Walker questions hits on QB Basanez
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=116438 
     Wildcats worry about Ginn game
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051109colfootnu,1,7336
820.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + NU trip to OSU should be something special
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-crep10.html 
     Wildcats not ready for prime time
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-03-05-731762.
html 
     Players:
     Script: Ohio kids
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051109027
2nov09,1,6712350.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 

     Kadela: Missing game? Kadela's over it
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051109025
7nov09,1,7760929.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     Sutton: Ohio's reigning Mr. Football out to prove a point against Buckeyes
 
http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051110/SPORTS/5
11100337/1006 

     Eight bowls possible for NU
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/09/4371af87a4a60 
     + Cats in position for bowl bid
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-10-05-741173.
html 
     + Cats, QB want to show they are for real
      http://www.limaohio.com/story.php?IDnum=19491 
     + NU still working on its off-field image
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=116732 
     GoUPurple: hope to make it two in a row against the Buckeyes!
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats5a30j.html 
     Hodges: Preview: NU vs. Ohio State
      http://jhodges.org/archives/2005/11/08/77/ 


Next Up

     @ Ohio State Buckeyes
     Canton Rep: Sutton just one of those Ohioans who gets through
      http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=251846&r=2 
     +  OSU, Northwestern agree: Wildcats' defense improving
      http://www.limaohio.com/story.php?IDnum=19459 
     + Sutton still thinking of OSU
      http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/13119818.htm 
     + Unknown line paves the way
      http://www.tribune-chronicle.com/sports/story/119202005_spt05sherer09.asp 
     + Buckeyes not taking Wildcats too lightly
 
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051109/SPORTS16/51109009
/-1/SPORTS 
     + Running the 'Shoe- She plans parties for 105,000
 
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051109/SPORTS16/51109010
/-1/SPORTS 
     + Past experience shows- think Wildcats first
 
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15542188&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=4637
0&rfi=6 
     +  focusing on Northwestern and its powerful offense
 
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/content/sports/osu/daily/1109osufb.html 
     + Wildcats have OSU's attention this year
 
http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051109/SPORTS/5
11090349/1006 
     + Bucknuts Radio Hour
      http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/175095.html 
     + Buckeyes Have Not Forgotten Last Year's Game with Northwestern
      http://www.10tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4092700&nav=LUEU 
     + Buckeyes bowling, location unknown
 
http://www.thelantern.com/news/2005/11/09/Sports/Buckeyes.Bowling.Location.Unkno
wn-1051012.shtml 
     + Transcript From The November 8th Football Press Luncheon
 
http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110805aaf.ht
ml 
     + Final home game sentimental for football seniors
 
http://www.thelantern.com/news/2005/11/10/Sports/Final.Home.Game.Sentimental.For
.Football.Seniors-1053073.shtml 
     + OSU has special teams humming
 
http://www.1460thefan.com/tf.php?story=dispatch/2005/11/10/20051110-B1-01.html 
     + Notebook: Turnovers are key - except for Buckeyes
 
http://www.1460thefan.com/tf.php?story=dispatch/2005/11/10/20051110-B4-03.html 

     Athletics Ticket Office Closed Friday
 
http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110905aaa.ht
ml 

Future Big 10 Opponents:

     Illinois Fighting Illini [11/19]

Miscellaneous Football News:

     Not much has changed with Paterno
      http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05313/603001.stm 
     + Paterno talking future as Nittany Lions rest
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/football/ncaa/11/08/paterno.futur
e.ap/index.html?section=si_ncaaf 

     BCS' methods often keep the most powerful conferences out of title game
      http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05313/603062.stm 
     + Mandel: It's time for BCS 101
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/11/08/mail
bag/index.html?section=si_ncaaf 

     Vandy-UT could be for Music City berth
 
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051107/SPORTS06/511070359
/1345/SPORTS 

Recruiting

      Brandon Mitchell: Rauh dominates Pioneers' perfect season
      http://www.wra.net/newsevents/release.cfm?article=799 
     + Plain Dealer discusses the Oct. 22 football game
      http://www.wra.net/newsevents/release.cfm?article=796 
     + Reserve football extends win record
      http://www.wra.net/newsevents/release.cfm?article=793 

     Brad Phillips Lodovico cool with role on offense
      http://www.gatewaynewspapers.com/murrysvillestar/54486/ 
     Anthony Ferla Continues Stellar Season
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=463952&nid=776988&fhn=1&refid=4742 
     Phil Swanson Verbals to MAC School
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=464058&nid=2008005&fhn=1&refid=4742


     How UNC reeled in the No. 1 '06 class
      http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13118379.htm 

BASKETBALL

     Michael Jenkins: Hard work pays off big for 5-9 Jenkins
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nubk09.html 

     Wildcats counting on postseason play
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-10-05-738122.
html 

     Spartans will have Big Ten feeling green
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/09/4371dc74bbcf2 
     + MSU Spartans Lead Big Ten Existence
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=464771 

     Next up is the BCA Invitational
     Wildcats Tip Off Against Lehigh at BCA Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/110905aae.html 
     Here's the host team - Wyoming in action
     Pokes Beat Chadron State, 74-58
 
http://wyomingathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110905aaa.html 

     Lehigh Mountain Hawks Sunday - 9 PM

     Lehigh aims for a return to top of the Patriot League
      http://www.lehighsports.com/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=4326 

FIELD HOCKEY

     Defense can't hold Indiana in overtime
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/09/4371acf70dfe2 

SOCCER

     Wildcats Set to Face Ohio State in Opening Round of Big Ten Men's Soccer
Championship
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110905aaa.html 
     + Start Times Changed for Two Big Ten Men's Soccer Championship Matches
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110905aad.html 
     + Big Ten Men's Soccer Teams Set for Championship
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110905aab.html 
     + NU takes on OSU in 1st game of tourney
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/10/4372ee2e32b5c 
     + Cats host Big Ten soccer
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-10-05-739258.
html 
     + Buckeyes enter Big Ten tourney hot
 
http://www.thelantern.com/news/2005/11/10/Sports/Buckeyes.Enter.Big.Ten.Tourney.
Hot-1053047.shtml 

     Indiana set to roll at Big Ten tourney
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/10/4372eaf4c637a 

     Late season scoring drought injuries cost Cats postseason
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/10/4372eadd7517e 

SWIMMING

     Mike Alexandrov Named Big Ten Co-Swimmer of the Week
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/110805aab.html 
     + Michigan, Northwestern and Penn State Honored This Week
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/110805aab.html 

     Dual meets seen as mix of competition training for squads
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/10/4372ea5fc818e 

TENNIS

     Cat tandem takes consolation prize
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-10-05-741178.
html 
     + Prousis turns in strong showings in ITA meets
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/lf/11-10-05-742407.
html 

VOLLEYBALL

     Northwestern Hopes Success Follows to No. 17 Minnesota, Iowa
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/110905aac.html 
     + No. 17 Minnesota Hosts Northwestern and No. 13 Wisconsin
 
http://www.gophersports.com/sportsNews/press_release.asp?news_id=11472&sport_id=
wvoll 
     Northwestern Signs Trio to National Letters of Intent
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/110905aab.html 

MISCELLANY

     CU promises change after audit criticizes foundation spending
      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2217775 
     Officials pleased with vigilance on spearing
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=58 

ALUMNI

     Mark Loretta: Set at 2nd
 
http://sandiego.padres.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051107&content_
id=1265761&vkey=news_sd&fext=.jsp&c_id=sd 
     PGA: [Links on Player's Name is their live scorecard]
     Luke Donald Will be at the WGC - Algarve World Cup in Portugal starting Nov
17th
      http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/latest.sps?iTourNo=2005078 

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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Thu Nov 10 10:25:50 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Thu Nov 10 10:28:57 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
In-Reply-To: <8C7B421FBAEAE62-162C-A9D@FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C7B421FBAEAE62-162C-A9D@FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511101022290.23700@localhost>

Lee is currently a college scout in the Northeast region for the NFL's 
Green Bay Packers:

http://www.packers.com/team/staff/gissendaner_lee/
<http://www.packers.com/team/staff/gissendaner_lee/>

Good to see he's still in the game in any capacity.  According to the 
site, he makes his home in Wilmington, DE - maybe Coach Roy could stop by 
and get an interview with one of our former stars.

Best,

Jonathan

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, jamsam22@aol.com wrote:

> Lee Gissendaner. MVP of the Big 10 that year.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>
> To: NU Sports List <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:18:28 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
>
>
>> Am I overlooking any?  My Northwestern football memory only goes back
>
> The '92 comeback against Illinois, in Champaign. Down 3 TDs going into
> the 4th, if memory serves. Comeback concluded with a spectacular diving
> catch by (if I recall correctly) Richard Buchanan, who really had to
> lay out to grab that one. Probably the high point of Northwestern
> football up to that point in my time as an NU fan (beginning in '86).
>
> I haven't been in there lately, but there used to be a huge picture of
> that game-winning catch up in the football building somewhere.
>
> Tom
>
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 11:12:53 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Nov 10 11:39:41 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511101022290.23700@localhost>
Message-ID: <20051110171253.96014.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Jonathan Michael Hawkins <spiritu@northwestern.edu> wrote:
> Lee is currently a college scout in the Northeast region for the
> NFL's Green Bay Packers:
> 
> http://www.packers.com/team/staff/gissendaner_lee/

Cool!

And yeah, it was Gissendaner in that comeback game, not Buchanan.
Sorry, must be getting old. 

Both Buchanan and Gissendaner were exceptional players--real standouts
at a time when the talent pool at NU was much shallower.

Tom

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 17:03:38 2005
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Nov 10 17:04:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] buchanan and gissendaner
Message-ID: <20051110230339.71103.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks to Tom and the others for bringing up two
terrific players who brought some light into a dark
time for NU football.

I always thought Buchanan was the perfect receiver:
terrific routes, sure hands, and that niftiness that
made him elusive. Can you imagine him on this team, or
2000, or 1995?

Gissendaner was our Gale Sayers -- big play central.
My best friend's fondest moment for NU football was
(before the Rose Bowl) Gissendaner's catch to cap the
comeback at Champaign. (BTW didn't that win knock
Illinois out of a bowl game? -- too bad!!!)

If you remember in '93 that Dyche did not have
programs -- it had those roster posters with a photo
on the front. One had a sublime photo of Gissendaner's
grab, the ball just in his hands with the scoreboard
and time in the background so you could see the
situation. My friend was, I suspect, not alone in
framing it.

Of course a shout out too to the QB who threw the pass
that Gissendaner caught -- Lenny Williams, another
marvelously fun guy to watch, who worked miracles with
absolutely no running game when defenses knew NU was
passing on every down.

Excuse the nostalagia here with a big game in two
days, but I can't help sometimes to think back to the
fine players NU had in the mid-to-late 80's and early
90's, players who missed the prosperous years but guys
I dearly enjoyed watching and rooting for -- Ed
Sutter, John Duvic, Bobby Christian, Curtis Duncan,
Ira Adler, Byron Sanders, Buchanan, Gissendaner,
Williams -- too bad these guys missed the good times.

Brad Wilson





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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Thu Nov 10 17:09:53 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Thu Nov 10 17:14:11 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] buchanan and gissendaner
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> on the front. One had a sublime photo of Gissendaner's grab, the ball 
> just in his hands with the scoreboard and time in the background so you 
> could see the situation. My friend was, I suspect, not alone in framing 
> it.

The old Coaches' Cafe (formerly Gary Barnett's, the Huddle, etc...) had a 
giant blow-up of this photo on the wall, which led me as an undergraduate 
to wonder: "who's this Gissendaner guy"?  It's just such a well-shot 
photo, because you can tell almost everything you need to know about that 
game just from the one shot.

I wonder what happened to it?  It was maybe 5 feet wide and 3 or 4 feet 
tall - a very, very large blowup.  I heard maybe they have it at the 
Athletic Department now - can anyone confirm?

Best,

Jonathan

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 10 21:01:10 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Nov 10 21:05:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
References: <2bfd27379f9c7f07b0fc5514df3e7c3f@mac.com>
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I agree with John's list 100%.  This one topped Michigan '96 because of 
the factors John spelled out:  Think about it:  Iowa had the ball with 
3:50 left and a 13-point lead.  In that Michigan game, yes, we came back 
from 16 down, but we began that comeback very early in the 4th quarter 
with a TD and a 2-point conversion.  Throughout that 4th quarter against 
Michigan, it was clear that we had the momentum.  That wasn't true 
against Iowa -- not until the very, very amazing end.

My order would be :  Iowa '05, Michigan '00, Wisconsin '96, MSU '01, 
Michigan '96 and Minnesota '00.  And, for the old-timers, I'll also 
throw in the 1967 Miami of Florida game, where we trailed late, then 
pulled off a trick RB-to-QB pass play (probably similar to the '82 play 
against MSU that Harry mentioned) to pull out a 12-7 upset over the 
Hurricanes.

Jim B.

John Labbe wrote:

> After giving it some thought, Saturday's win over Iowa ranks at the 
> top of my list of Northwestern improbable come-from-behind victories.  
> The description "improbable" incorporates a number of factors 
> including the size of the deficit overcome and the lateness in the 
> came that the comeback occurred.
>
> The Iowa victory ranks at the top of my list because we overcame a 13 
> point deficit in the final 3:30 with no timeouts remaining.  In those 
> final minutes, we required 124 yards of offense and recovery of an 
> onside kick to perfect the victory.
>
> The following are the runners-up on my list:
>
> 2) Michigan 1996
> We trailed to Michigan 16-0 entering the fourth quarter and won by 
> scoring 3 field goals and a TD with a 2-point conversion.  We scored 
> the final field goal with 13 seconds remaining.
>
> 3) at Minnesota 2000
> Down 35-14 late in the fourth quarter, we rallied to score 4 straight 
> touchdowns, including the game winning score (victory-right) with no 
> time remaining.  The final TD was an exclamation point on this 
> improbable comeback, but even without it we would have gone to OT, and 
> had we won in OT, this still would have been an improbable comeback.  
> We converted on numerous fourth downs in the fourth quarter to keep 
> essential drives alive.
>
> 4) Michigan State 2001
> After we scored what appeared to be the game-winning TD with 29 second 
> remaining, MSU returned the ensuing kickoff for a TD, leaving us with 
> only 18 second.  But once again employing victory-right, we quickly 
> got into field goal range and kicked a 47-yarder with no time remaining.
>
> 5) at Wisconsin 1996
> The game appeared to be over and Wisconsin was running out the clock, 
> until Ron Dayne fumbled with under a minute to play.  There was just 
> enough time for a couple more plays capped off by a 20-yard Schnur to 
> Bates TD pass.
>
> 6) Michigan 2000
> This game appeared over after Damien Anderson couldn't pull in a TD 
> pass with 1:30 remaining.  But then the A-Train fumbled with just 46 
> second remaining, setting up the winning TD.
>
> Am I overlooking any?  My Northwestern football memory only goes back 
> to the mid-90s.
>



From NEONRye at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 23:16:51 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 10 23:26:57 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
Message-ID: <103.6c715798.30a58343@aol.com>

I have two mention two unbelievable if somewhat obvious comebacks, both of  
which I was privileged to attend in person, but both of which ultimately proved 
 unavailing.  Even though we lost both games, we showed America the 'Cats go  
down but not out:
 
1) Down 24-7 in Pasadena, we stormed back to take the lead vs. $C.   The 
turning point in my mind will always be when the refs took the 2-point  conversion 
we made off the board.  I'll still always be proud of the 'Cats  for never 
giving up.
 
2) Down 21-0 to Payton Manning & his Vols, we storm back the next  year at 
the Citrus Bowl (It was stilled called that, remember?) to tie the  game.  
Turning point vs. NU:  Manning to Peerless Price over the  middle right before 
halftime, and PP takes the ball to the house.  We  never recover and have a 
horrible 2nd half.  But nonetheless, we did come  back in a hurry that day.  Anybody 
remember how quickly we were able to get  those 3 scores?  If memory serves, 
didn't we recover an onside  kick in this game, as well as in the Rose Bowl, 
which I failed to mention  above?
 
Paul Levinson
 
 
From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 11:55:51 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 11:57:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
Message-ID: <7a.7efa64ac.30a63527@aol.com>

Who knows if we could have stopped Tenn  in the Citrus Bowlafter we tied it 
if we has Ishmaeli, who had been kicked off the team by Barnett during the week 
before the game--Manning kept burning his replacement, a kid from Detroit 
whose name escapes me.

Harry
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 11 11:38:58 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 11 12:37:07 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/11
Message-ID: <000301c5e6e6$cc72cf70$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Veteran's Day Edition

OK, as a veteran I should take the day off, but there's too much Football
happening, and there's Basketball, Swimming, Volleyball and more to watch this
weekend

All the News that Fits We Link
Your Index to News about
Northwestern University Athletics

On the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, the great war ended in
Europe. Thank a Veteran today, those who gave part of their lives, and those who
gave everything.

FOOTBALL

     Buckeyes' balance concerns Walker
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051111021
6nov11,1,617486.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     Kicker's patience finally pays off
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/11/43746d9bcbf01 
     + Big Ten honors NU kicker's feat
      http://www.nwherald.com/SportsSection/college/319367608648803.php 

     Tyrell Sutton rocks NU's world
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/11/43746f7a02e25 
     + OSU's loss
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=117152 

     NU's Basanez a Wuerffel finalist
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=117122 
     + With Basanez, don't count out 'Cats
 
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15559015&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=4637
0&rfi=6 

     Pregame Intel: Ohio State Buckeyes
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/465391.html 

     $ Bucknuts Audio: Roy Lamberton
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=464971 

     WNUR A Tale of Two Cities
      http://wnursports.blogspot.com/2005/11/tale-of-two-cities.html 

     Cronin: There's no place like Ohio for Kadela, NU
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/112sd3.htm 

Next Up

     @ Ohio State Buckeyes
     Buckeyes field veteran defense
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/11/43746ffa2c33b 
     + OSU remembers 2004 OT contest vs. Northwestern
      http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=252238&r=0 
     $ Defensive Notes: One Last Go For Hawk, Salley
      http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/465037.html 
     + OSU vs. Northwestern Matchups
 
http://www.bucyrustelegraphforum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/BF/20051111/SPOR
TS04/51111003/1057 
     + Final home game sentimental for football seniors
 
http://www.thelantern.com/news/2005/11/10/Sports/Final.Home.Game.Sentimental.For
.Football.Seniors-1053073.shtml 
     + Akron's Sutton making Northwestern look smart
      http://www.limaohio.com/story.php?IDnum=19528 
     + Ohio State's Salley is simply a parents' boy
      http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13137083.htm 
     + Buckeyes, Wildcats still have a lot at stake
 
http://www.cleveland.com/sportsflash/local/index.ssf?/base/sports-17/11316899782
04860.xml&storylist=clevelandsports 
     + BuckeyePlanet: 2005 NU Wildcats Game Preview
      http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/ 
     + The-Ozone Note and Quotebook 
 
http://www.theozone.net/football/2005/Northwestern/noteandquotebook111105.htm 
     + Spread Offense Latest Football Cult 
      http://www.theozone.net/football/2005/Northwestern/spreadcult.htm 

Future Big 10 Opponents:

     Illinois Fighting Illini [11/19]

Miscellaneous Football News:

     BCS boat may be in for rockin'
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=66 
     + SEC to get sorted out with two big showdowns
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=65 

     Fresno State ends Boise State's WAC dominance with 27-7 win 
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=64 
     Navy, Notre Dame sign contract to play through 2016 
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=61 

Recruiting

     Kevin Green Illinois LB Leads Team to Third Round
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=465267&nid=1758714&fhn=1&refid=4742

     Tyler PorrasNew Offer
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=465235&nid=1912053&fhn=1&refid=4742

     Daverin Geralds Grade A
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=465189&nid=1781325&fhn=1&refid=4742

     Terrance Anderson Begins His Visits
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=464932&nid=1758320&fhn=1&refid=4742


     Ohio State lands 5 top recruits
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051110020
4nov10,1,6651394.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print



BASKETBALL


     Wildcats Tip Off Against Lehigh at BCA Invitational 
     http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/110905aae.html 

     + 2005-06 Prospectus
 
http://www.fansonly.com/photos/schools/nw/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/0506mbkprospe
ctus.pdf 

     Next up is the BCA Invitational
     PRINTABLE BRACKET
      http://www.gazellegroup.com/bcainvite/bracket05.pdf 
     Listen To The Wildcats
      http://wgnradio.com/sports/cats.htm 

     Lehigh Mountain Hawks Sunday - 9 PM
     BKB Pregame Intel: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/465366.html 

SOCCER

     Buckeyes Edge Northwestern in Big Ten Championship, 1-0
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/recaps/111005aab.html 

     Three Wildcats Earn All-Big Ten Honors
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/111005aad.html 

SWIMMING

     Women
     Northwestern Falls at No. 11 Wisconsin, 148-75
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-swim/recaps/111105aac.html 

     Men
     No. 13 Wildcats Outswim No. 25 Badgers, 125-99
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/111005aaa.html 

TENNIS

     Wildcats Set To Begin Big Ten Indoor Championships
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/111105aac.html 

VOLLEYBALL

     Stephanie Jurivich Earns ESPN The Magazine Academic All-District Honor
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/111005aaa.html 

MISCELLANY

     Officials pleased with vigilance on spearing 
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=58 

ALUMNI

     Jason Wright In Tyrell's Corner [Suggs hopes to come in handy]
      http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/13140120.htm 
     PGA: [Links on Player's Name is their live scorecard]
     Luke Donald Will be at the WGC - Algarve World Cup in Portugal starting Nov
17th 
      http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/latest.sps?iTourNo=2005078 

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 13:29:11 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 13:42:00 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/11
Message-ID: <29.7e8b891c.30a64b07@aol.com>

too late for the coach
 
_http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-FBC-T25-Northwestern-Ohio-St.html_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-FBC-T25-Northwestern-Ohio-St.html) 
From BSchooler at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 14:22:42 2005
From: BSchooler at aol.com (BSchooler@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 14:35:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Strange College Football Story - "List Eater" 
Message-ID: <241.1018386.30a65792@aol.com>

Some of you may have heard about "List Eater". In case you hadn't, you may 
enjoy the following two links. List Eater is an angry Texas A&M student who 
barged to the front of the line to buy tickets to the Cotton Bowl nearly a year 
ago. When hundreds of Aggies who had camped out to buy tickets protested, she 
ate the list of those who had been waiting in line which was based on the honor 
system. Unfortunately for List Eater, she was video taped and she became the 
subject of a ten minute Aggie student documentary and a local newscast; the 
links to which are provided below. She remains a notorious college football 
internet villain. Even more notorious than puffcat.

http://stingray.tamu.edu/athletics/football/movies/listeater.wmv

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/1140832.html

Bob Schooler
From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 14:37:47 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 14:50:46 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
Message-ID: <ae.7e8f2e88.30a65b1b@aol.com>

Could somebody tell me the last time we won in Columbus?  Was it under  Ara 
or before that?
 
Paul Levinson
From lvaccher at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 15:04:05 2005
From: lvaccher at comcast.net (Louie Vaccher)
Date: Fri Nov 11 15:04:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
References: <ae.7e8f2e88.30a65b1b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005301c5e703$73191930$c0d7b043@Louie>

1971. Alex Agase's Cats beat the Buckeyes, 14-10, in Columbus.

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 2:37 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"


> Could somebody tell me the last time we won in Columbus?  Was it under 
> Ara
> or before that?
>
> Paul Levinson
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 11 15:25:14 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 11 15:49:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/11
In-Reply-To: <29.7e8b891c.30a64b07@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001001c5e706$67ed9290$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Thanks for finding that one...

The AP is hanging on to good quotes until I finish my pregame intel

"those dirty rats"

I note that dOSU is holding teams to about the same rushing number as Sutton
gets each week...

Wonder if there's a message in that?

rsl

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From lvaccher at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 16:07:51 2005
From: lvaccher at comcast.net (Louie Vaccher)
Date: Fri Nov 11 16:08:36 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
References: <149.519fe0f1.30a66eb6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002101c5e70c$5c1570e0$c0d7b043@Louie>

Interestingly, the Cats played in Columbus in 1970 and 1971. 

I was looking at the media guide and found that the Cats also played back-to-back games at The Shoe in 1962-63...and Ara's boys beat the Buckeyes both times!

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: NEONRye@aol.com 
  To: lvaccher@comcast.net ; nwu-sports@tssi.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"


  I'm wrong, and you are correct.  I just "Googled" and came up with this URL that gives the answer--it was 1971:  http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/page/OHST
From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 15:59:00 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 16:09:03 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
Message-ID: <206.e15df32.30a66e24@aol.com>

I believe that game (in 1971) was in Evanston, and if I am not  mistaken, I 
was at the game at Dyche.  We played at OSU in 1970, my frosh  year, and lost 
24-10 in a game broadcast on closed circuit TV to a crowd of  about 3,000 at 
McGaw Hall (including Yours Truly).
 
Paul Levinson
From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 16:01:26 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 16:11:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
Message-ID: <149.519fe0f1.30a66eb6@aol.com>

I'm wrong, and you are correct.  I just "Googled" and came up with  this URL 
that gives the answer--it was 1971:  
_http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/page/OHST_ (http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/page/OHST) 
From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 15:56:57 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 16:15:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
Message-ID: <24.7d3ad9df.30a66da9@aol.com>

Mike Adamle?
From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 16:24:03 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 16:25:15 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
Message-ID: <226.102faae.30a67403@aol.com>

>From what I recall in the "Purple Haze" of my youth, Woody and OSU would  
flex their muscle and leverage (in terms of attendance and power) to force poor  
little NU to go into the Bucks lair, since we couldn't draw flies compared to  
them--except when we sold out vs. Notre Dame in the first NU game I ever saw 
in  Sept., 1970, right before Freshmen Orientation Week.  We lost 35-14, but  
were tied 14-14 at the half, so my dad and I considered it a good result at 
the  time.
 
 
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 11 15:33:18 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 11 16:31:15 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
In-Reply-To: <ae.7e8f2e88.30a65b1b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002201c5e707$8811ea70$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Since Louis got it up first...

But I bet you don't remember who the last RB out of Ohio was who dOSU didn't
bother to recruit since he was also "too small"...

One of Woody's great mistakes.

Go Cats

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of NEONRye@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 3:38 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
> 
> 
> Could somebody tell me the last time we won in Columbus?  Was 
> it under  Ara 
> or before that?
>  
> Paul Levinson
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 11 16:42:00 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 11 16:39:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
In-Reply-To: <24.7d3ad9df.30a66da9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002901c5e711$21430db0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Absolutely right.
 
the 1971 game was in Columbus according to the media guide. [why would they
lie?]
 
I was always told that Adamle was the reason they won that game, but he didn't
letter in 71 so he couldn't have been the guy.
 
Two guys I'd love to interview for PR - one is Adamle, the other is the Scout
who lives in Wilmington.
 
rsl
 
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: NEONRye@aol.com [mailto:NEONRye@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:57 PM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"



Mike Adamle?

From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 16:45:12 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 16:46:40 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
Message-ID: <23b.1034eff.30a678f8@aol.com>

Adamle had graduated in June, 1971.  He was a terrific running back,  who got 
everything out of his ability and his size.  A McGarrigle type in  the 
backfield.
 
 
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 16:58:38 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 17:20:13 2005
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
Message-ID: <250.d400fa.30a67c1e@aol.com>


From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 17:28:18 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 17:29:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
Message-ID: <1a3.40dadfc1.30a68312@aol.com>

For those who are interested, there is a good write-up in today's USA Today 
on likely Bowl matchups--also dates and conferences of participants

Harry
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 17:37:58 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 17:41:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The "Shoe"
Message-ID: <13e.203b14c4.30a68556@aol.com>

 
My senior year, and Schooler's
nice recap here
_http://hailtopurple.com/features/history2.html_ 
(http://hailtopurple.com/features/history2.html) 

From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Fri Nov 11 17:42:02 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Fri Nov 11 17:44:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Illini lose appeal
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511111737170.27352@localhost>

<http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2005-11-11-illinois-mascot_x.htm>
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2005-11-11-illinois-mascot_x.htm

Apparently the Chief won't be there at the Tourney this year, but the 
Illini and Fighting Illini names will be around to stay.

Note to Illinois: make your mascot a pencil-necked Viagra-needing 
bureaucrat with nothing better to do than tell a University how to run its 
sporting teams - apparently it's the height of disrepect.


Jonathan

From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 19:25:48 2005
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 19:26:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
Message-ID: <21a.2808fc8.30a69e9c@aol.com>

ouch I know that kid well.
Gerald  Conoway......................................
From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 19:47:08 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 19:48:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
Message-ID: <208.e191279.30a6a39c@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/11/2005 5:28:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
HUDHAIFA3@aol.com writes:

> ouch I know that kid well.
> Gerald  Conoway......................................

Yes that was him--met his parents the night before the game- (as well as the 
night before the Rose Bowl)-nice folks ---felt bad for him

Harry
From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 19:49:35 2005
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 11 19:51:13 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
Message-ID: <21b.281a6a5.30a6a42f@aol.com>

tough spot to fill in against Peyton Manning........................
 
Ok so here it goes 
33-30 wildcats
From jthiegs at goldengate.net  Sat Nov 12 01:09:31 2005
From: jthiegs at goldengate.net (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Sat Nov 12 01:09:57 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
In-Reply-To: <208.e191279.30a6a39c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BF9AF14B.412E%jthiegs@goldengate.net>

Hey, I think I was sitting next to and chatting with him at the Rose Bowl
reunion game against Wisconsin earlier this year!  At least I'm pretty sure
it was him.  I had forgotten about that play, and, to be honest, never filed
away that piece of trivia in my brain in the first place.  The guy with whom
I was conversing, commiserating, and cheering was a tremendously nice guy
regardless of who it was, but I do believe it was Gerald (mainly because I
think I remember him saying that was his name, and about half the team
members there were in our row or the couple of rows in front of us).  -Joe

> From: Hakirsch@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:47:08 EST
> To: HUDHAIFA3@aol.com, NEONRye@aol.com, thehaze@earthlink.net,
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Improbable Comebacks
> 
> In a message dated 11/11/2005 5:28:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> HUDHAIFA3@aol.com writes:
> 
>> ouch I know that kid well.
>> Gerald  Conoway......................................
> 
> Yes that was him--met his parents the night before the game- (as well as the
> night before the Rose Bowl)-nice folks ---felt bad for him
> 
> Harry
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 11:50:21 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 12 11:51:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Q1: Columbus
Message-ID: <20051112175021.55473.qmail@web52913.mail.yahoo.com>

Random musings from the couch again, in chronological
order ...

- Pregame looks like we're walking into a hornet's
nest. Madison and Kinnick are rough places to play
with some ferocious fans in the home crowd, but the
Shoe just gives you goosebumps. 100,000 folks in red
and a lot of noise caught in that horseshoe - the most
intimidating place for visitors in the league. Hope we
can keep our poise.

- Can't ask for a better opening drive. That 3rd and
long pass by Baz was sheer perfection and Sutton got
going as well with a BEAUTIFUL sweep run and cut up
the field. Looks like we're loose with the 6-win
monkey off the back. Keep it up, O! 7-0 CATS!

- Looks like OSU was ready for our pooch kickoff --
their kicker gets touchbacks, ours can't ... so maybe
we should just kick out of bounds all day to keep it
away from their speed.

- Dang! That fumble on OSU's first play was a BIG
chance missed.

- I guess the stat of only 24 TDs by opponents in
their 44 trips into the NU red zone surprises me a
bit. I thought it'd be worse.

- OSU is just bruising us up the gut - gotta stop the
run! But then they'll pass to Holmes and Ginn ...
ouch! We need a turnover.

- Nice closing speed by McGarrigle on the 2nd and goal
bootleg by OSU. But looks like we stopped him before
the goal on 3rd down. REPLAY! REPLAY! WHERE'S THE
FRIGGIN' REPLAY! Sure looked like that ball was down
at the 1 yard line before the body flipped
across?!?!?!?! Is the replay official awake? Even
Musberger saw it for cryin' out loud! UGH! Short field
- no passes - tie game. 7-7.

- Luck ran out the third 3rd and long and our kicking
game is KILLING us so far - coverage, kicks, field
position, everything. A late hit doesn't help either.
OSU may get two scoring drives that don't equal the
yardage of our one scoring drive but it's still 14-7
on the scoreboard.

- We need a turnover with the new RB in!

- Either our secondary is doing a heck of a job or
Smith is real gunshy, because he's having time to
throw in the pocket.

- Dang - there's the one pass to bail 'em out after
the penalty.

- Just too easy to let the Bucks run over us again and
again on a 40-yard field. 14-7 OSU.

- Nifty spin moves by Sutton after a big hit on that
last run ... but still another 3rd down and we can't
do another 3-and-out to give the ball back.

End of the quarter: 14-7 Bucks. We're probably ahead
on yards but field position is just KILLING us! And
yeah, I know OSU would have gone for it on 4th and 1
and probably made it, but I'm still wondering why the
Bucks' first touchdown wasn't replayed.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 12:38:06 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 12 12:39:15 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Q2: Columbus
Message-ID: <20051112183806.37033.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com>

And on to the second ...

- No flag? C'mon ref! Sheesh - NOT liking these
officials already. That's two questionable non-calls
against us in the Shoe. But even worse, it's another
3-and-out.

- Blocked punt - again, the kicking game is killing
us. We never had a chance with the poor blocking up
front. 21-7 Buckeyes.

- Kinda cool that the ABC announcers are even calling
him "Baz" - ya gotta love this kid.

- The OSU blitz is working every time - Another 3rd
and long. Another drive stalled. Another punt.

- First time all day OSU will have taken a snap in
THEIR territory and it's still only around the 45.
Ugh.

- Hey, a third down stop! Well, a dropped pass, but
still, WOOHOO!!!

- That fumble by Baz hurts - just after we were
getting some rhythm back with Baz' zip pass and
Sutton's nice cut. Another 3rd and long. Another drive
stalled. Another punt.

- NICE punt coverage by NU this time. About time we
start them deep - now we just need a turnover.

- Big pick by Cole to halt an OSU drive that was just
steamrolling down the field. Let's GO O!!!

- Why aren't we going over the middle with the passes
again? That worked well the first drive.

- FINALLY a friggin flag! OSU's been on our backs all
day and they won't (and shouldn't) stop until the refs
call it. FINALLY! Sheesh!

- Nice to see Sutton involved heavily in today's
gameplan ... now, where's our hero-of-last-week Mr.
Lane?

- Musburger: "Schlegel might have stepped offsides."
Gee, ya think Brent? He was only in the backfield
before the snap! Go hit the bars in Lincoln,
not-so-young man!:)

- Bad throw by Baz for the pick - I like going over
the middle and LOVE the effort by Lane to almost get
it back but man, that turnover just KILLS our chance
to get back in this game before half.

- NOW the replay official decides to get involved and
wake up? Where were you at the start of the game?!

- Great stat by ABC of the replay reversals ... hmm
40% in the Big Ten to lead the BCS leagues. Guess
JoePa and Lloyd Carr were right all those years about
conference refs just plain ole' getting it wrong.

- Wells may get big yardage today to make the Sutton
snub by OSU look better. But most RBs would look good
today behind that OSU line - they're getting 5 yards
up the gut before being touched.

- OSU just running over us again on the next drive.
Our chance to make it 21-14 at the half after the
turnover is now 28-7. We gotta capitalize on those
chances, Cats!

- Key drop by Fields to force yet another punt.

Well, it started out so well, but the big Buckeye edge
in the kicking game, OSU's pounding running game and
NU's string of 3-and-outs on offense have just turned
this game into a blowout at the half - 28-7 OSU.

Side note - still not sure how the Badgers win the
4-way tie scenario that the folks at ESPN and ABC keep
talking about ... of the four, PSU will tie for the
best overall mark, they haven't been to the Rose Bowl
the longest and beat everyone head-to-head except
Michigan. Seems to me the only way PSU loses this is a
2-way tie with the Wolverines.

This one could get ugly unless we find something to
stop their run and get our offense going at the half.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 12:45:42 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 12 12:49:41 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugh at the Half
Message-ID: <21a.28fe427.30a79256@aol.com>

Not only are we getting pushed all over the field,but listening to Brent  and 
Gary is torture.  When I was at NU and Brent was young and on the  rise--and 
good--I used to be proud of his NU heritage.  Now it's just  painful to 
contemplate.  Yak, yak, yak--but never say anything  meaningful.  And Danielson 
thought OSU took a timeout at the end of the  half, when all it was was a simple 
stoppage for getting a first down.  I  long for ESPN 2 coverage.  
 
Everything I feared yesterday in my post is coming to pass--the Special  
Teams play is killing us.  They just are so much more athletic and  deep.  And 
their running game is harkening back to the days of Woody.  
 
But I'm not giving up yet.  We have two more quarters left, and NU's  
favorite is Q-4.
 
Paul Levinson.
 
 
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 13:00:21 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat Nov 12 13:01:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugh at the Half
In-Reply-To: <21a.28fe427.30a79256@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051112190021.88983.qmail@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> stoppage for getting a first down.  I  long for ESPN 2 coverage.  

Yeah. I like Gary, but frankly Pam Ward had done a fine job, and I'd
rather be listening to hear. I think it may be time to fire up WGN.

>  
> Everything I feared yesterday in my post is coming to pass--the
> Special  Teams play is killing us.  They just are so much more
athletic and  deep.  

The depressing thing is that we're not *that* far off talent wise--long
way from how it used to be. But, they're bigger, faster, stronger,
which means we have to play almost perfectly to have a chance. And we
aren't playing any where near close to perfect.

Here's hoping for better in half #2!

Tom

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 13:51:35 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 12 13:52:43 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Q3/Q4: Columbus
Message-ID: <20051112195135.66243.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com>

And the second half ...

- Nice stop by the D to start the half (thanks,
penalty) -- now GO O!!!

- Fumble by Sutton - UGH!

- No replay on the fumble recovery? Sheesh - someone
WAKE THIS GUY UP in the booth!!! I know it was close
on the line, but still it needs to be looked at more
than the interception was. Sheesh! What do you have to
do in Columbus to get a close and crucial call
reviewed?!?! First the TD that wasn't and now a close
out-of-bounds fumble. Not that it would make much
difference today, but still, don't we have replay for
a REASON?!?!?!

- Troy Smith is killing us more than the wideouts
today -- again, either he's gunshy on the pass or our
secondary is playing exceptional ball against two of
the fastest wideouts in the nation (and since our
front 7 are keying to TRY and stop the run, they're
pretty much on solo coverage all day).

- Hmm ... second half stop by the D to hold the
opponent to only a field goal. That sounds familiar
from the last two weeks. But this time, we may be in
too big of a hole for the offense to take advantage
unless they WAKE UP SOON! 31-7 O-How-I-Hate Ohio
State.

- Hey, Kim Thompson finally got some stick-um after
those drops the last couple weeks! Nice snag on third
down and welcome back Kim - we need you to add that
deep ball to our receiving game.

- Nice try over the middle, but good coverage. Dunno
why we're punting -- we're at the OSU 40, which is
practically where they've been starting all day and
it's the middle of the third, so why not go???

- OSU responds with another pounding drive, running it
right at and over us for six. This one's over - we
lost the kicking game, the turnover game, we couldn't
stop the run and our offense has been MIA since the
first drive. 38-7 Bucks.

Not really much interest in the fourth quarter now so
unless the mother of all comebacks happens, this'll be
it for the game comments. I know a 14-13 loss counts
the same as a 41-0 loss, but the flop on national TV
hurts. Just like our other losses -- ASU, PSU,
Michigan -- it's a total team failure here. Offense
and defense and special teams all were outplayed and
outcoached. A great opening drive but little else --
we got one turnover but couldn't capitalize and gave
away two.

I guess there's some comfort in that our losses have
come to good teams (ASU was pretty good before they
pulled a Sparty and gave up on the season -- some
teams like Michigan and Iowa are better in November
than September while some like ASU and MSU are the
reverse) and aside from the Penn State game, we were
solidly beaten and can't really wonder what "mighta
been" if one play had gone differently.

So we're 6-4 now and clearly in the second tier of Big
Ten bowl teams, by performance and by our fans/ratings
we bring to a bowl. But where we go still depends on a
lot of factors ...

* As ABC is mention ad nauseum, Ohio State is still an
excellent contender for the BCS. The way the schedule
is shaping up, the SEC contenders could knock each
other out and the Pac 10 and ACC have faded in their
hopes of a second team. So if the Fiesta does indeed
pick an overrated Notre Dame and PSU heads to Miami,
the Fiesta's pick could come down to an SEC team or
Ohio State and the Buckeyes have a good history of
filling seats in Tempe.

* Of course, OSU and PSU still have big games to win
next week in the state of Michigan for BCS berths.

* The two remaining games by Iowa and Minnesota will
be big as well - if OSU and PSU both snare BCS bids,
Michigan and Wisconsin are almost assured of Florida,
so that would leave the Alamo to choose between Iowa,
Minny and NU. Iowa probably has an edge, but if the
Gophers win out they make a good case.

My guesstimate at this point (assuming Iowa loses this
week but wins next week) ...

* ROSE: USC vs. Texas
* ORANGE: Penn State vs. Miami
* FIESTA: Ohio State vs. Notre Dame
* SUGAR: LSU vs. West Virginia
* CITRUS: Wisconsin vs. Georgia
* OUTBACK: Michigan vs. Florida
* ALAMO: Iowa vs. Nebraska (the Corn Bowl?):)
* SUN: Minnesota vs. UCLA
* MUSIC CITY: Northwestern vs. Tennessee
* MOTOR CITY: Hoping MSU manages a big comeback or
shocks PSU ... otherwise, they'll go out of conference

Gotta bounce back next week - beating the Illini,
Hawkeyes and Badgers in a year would be nice and a
second straight 5-3 mark in league play would be big.

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE ILLINI!!!
-SjT

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 13:54:10 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 12 13:58:08 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] insult added to injury
Message-ID: <ac.7f917df7.30a7a262@aol.com>

ABC has put on the Aggie/Okie blowout instead of our blowout, at least here  
in the Southeast. Yuck.
From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Nov 12 14:00:15 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Nov 12 14:02:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Q2: Columbus
In-Reply-To: <20051112183806.37033.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051112144549.03e0a518@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

At 11/12/2005 01:38 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote:
>- Great stat by ABC of the replay reversals ... hmm
>40% in the Big Ten to lead the BCS leagues. Guess
>JoePa and Lloyd Carr were right all those years about
>conference refs just plain ole' getting it wrong.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The stat is meaningless without knowing how many plays (or actually what 
percentage of plays) are selected for review.  If 5% of plays in the Big 
Ten get reviewed and of those 40% get overturned, that's 2% of total plays 
getting overturned.  But if 10% of plays in the SEC are getting reviewed (I 
doubt that's true; I'm just using nice round numbers to make the math easy 
and illustrate the point) and of those 23% are getting overturned, that's a 
2.3% rate of overturn.

I'm not arguing for or against Big Ten officials.  I'm just pointing out 
that the number that they showed does not present the complete picture.

-Michael 

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Nov 12 14:26:34 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Nov 12 14:26:38 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] insult added to injury (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511122026.jACKQYgo018724@romaine.tssi.com>

> ABC has put on the Aggie/Okie blowout instead of our blowout, at least here  
> in the Southeast. Yuck.

The A&M/Oklahoma game is not a blowout.  OU currently leads by 6 but is
about to score again.

I turned off the sound halfway through the 3rd quarter, when did Baz
come out?
--
Mike Nolan

From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sat Nov 12 15:13:44 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (prplehaze@insightbb.com)
Date: Sat Nov 12 15:14:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Q2: Columbus
Message-ID: <111220052113.11859.43765B07000EAB9300002E5321979128020A960E080A049F9D9F@insightbb.com>

All plays subject to review are reviewed immediately after they happen even if
play hasn't been stopped.  When play is stopped for a review, it's because the
replay official sees sufficient indisputable evidence that the call on the field
was wrong and wants more time to review the play further.  Here's an explanation
of the Big Ten rule.  The point being that all plays are reviewed, if they are
eligble for review under the rules - not all plays are subject to review, as the
article linked below makes clear.


http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/big10-replay.html
Mark Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com


> At 11/12/2005 01:38 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote:
> >- Great stat by ABC of the replay reversals ... hmm
> >40% in the Big Ten to lead the BCS leagues. Guess
> >JoePa and Lloyd Carr were right all those years about
> >conference refs just plain ole' getting it wrong.
> 
> Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
> 
> The stat is meaningless without knowing how many plays (or actually what 
> percentage of plays) are selected for review.  If 5% of plays in the Big 
> Ten get reviewed and of those 40% get overturned, that's 2% of total plays 
> getting overturned.  But if 10% of plays in the SEC are getting reviewed (I 
> doubt that's true; I'm just using nice round numbers to make the math easy 
> and illustrate the point) and of those 23% are getting overturned, that's a 
> 2.3% rate of overturn.
> 
> I'm not arguing for or against Big Ten officials.  I'm just pointing out 
> that the number that they showed does not present the complete picture.
> 
> -Michael 
> 
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 16:56:09 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 12 16:57:35 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Great Moment On ESPN
Message-ID: <127.681e752b.30a7cd09@aol.com>

The color announcer just said, after camera showed Barry Alvarez upset over 
roughing-the-passer penalty call, "I don't know why Coach Alvarez is 
pissed....", then realized his mistake and slid into "upset", but the damager was done.  

Paul Levinson
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 17:05:47 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 12 17:06:12 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Great Moment On ESPN
In-Reply-To: <127.681e752b.30a7cd09@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003801c5e7dd$9e310ad0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Even so, Pam Ward is our lucky charm

We won every game she called on ESPN2

rsl

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> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:56 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Great Moment On ESPN
> 
> 
> The color announcer just said, after camera showed Barry 
> Alvarez upset over 
> roughing-the-passer penalty call, "I don't know why Coach Alvarez is 
> pissed....", then realized his mistake and slid into "upset", 
> but the damager was done.  
> 
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From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 12 23:12:49 2005
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 12 23:46:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Standings/Bowl eligibility
Message-ID: <19b21319a77b.19a77b19b213@columbus.rr.com>

OK -- as predicted we tanked in Columbus. However, we do have one more 
game left. I don't think anyone will predict a loss next week. That 
leaves us at 7-4. Iowa and Minnesota could both end up 7-4 if Iowa 
wins next week in Iowa city. Wisconsin looks like they will end up 9-3 
with a win in Hawaii.

I think this means the following:

1. Penn State (assuming a victory next week)
2. Ohio State (assuming a victory next week)
3. Wisconsin (5-3/9-3) (assuming a victory in Hawaii)
3. Michigan (5-3/7-4)
3. Northwestern (5-3/7-4)
3. Iowa (5-3/7-4)(assuming a victory next week)
3. Minnesota (5-3/7-4) (assuming a loss next week)
4. Purdue (3-5/5-6)(assuming they beat Indiana next week)
5. Michigan State (2-6/5-6)
6. Indiana (1-7/4-7)
7. Illinois (0-8/2-9)

That leaves seven Big Ten teams bowl-eligible. 

Is this correct?

J.R.

From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov 13 00:01:12 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov 13 00:01:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Special Teams
Message-ID: <973b198fb7ac0218dcd6706ff08ad5f7@mac.com>

We really lost the game today early with poor special teams play (and 
superior OSU special teams play).

Perhaps the key stat of the game was that OSU scored 28 points in the 
first half averaging just 34 yards of offense per touchdown drive.  
That includes drives of 45, 29, 0, and 63 yards.  Heck, the D wasn't 
terrible today.  They gave up a lot of points, yes, but the special 
teams didn't really give them as much of a chance as they needed to 
keep the Bucks out of the endzone.

Since the Michigan State game, I've believed that the key to beating us 
is rushing the ball.  Well, everyone else has figured that out, too.  
Michigan, Iowa (almost), and Ohio State, today, in a big way.   OSU 
only attempted 15 passes for 105 yards, had over 300 yards of rushing.

Our opening drive, however, was a thing of beauty.  And Tyrell had some 
nice plays early.  Things went downhill after that.

I think we'll fare better against the Illini.

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 00:06:20 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 13 00:07:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Standings/Bowl eligibility
In-Reply-To: <19b21319a77b.19a77b19b213@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20051113060621.53752.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com>

> I think this means the following:
> 
> 1. Penn State (assuming a victory next week)
> 2. Ohio State (assuming a victory next week)
> 3. Wisconsin (5-3/9-3) (assuming a victory in
> Hawaii)
> 3. Michigan (5-3/7-4)
> 3. Northwestern (5-3/7-4)
> 3. Iowa (5-3/7-4)(assuming a victory next week)
> 3. Minnesota (5-3/7-4) (assuming a loss next week)
> 4. Purdue (3-5/5-6)(assuming they beat Indiana next
> week)
> 5. Michigan State (2-6/5-6)
> 6. Indiana (1-7/4-7)
> 7. Illinois (0-8/2-9)
> 
Seems correct to me - and a tie for third in the
league after finishing fourth last year would be
wonderful!:)

It also would mean that -- according to Mark Murphy's
e-mail about the 1-game leeway overall for bowls to
select teams, that pretty much anything goes after PSU
and OSU find their bowl destinations, since all the
rest would have 3 or 4 losses.

I really think the events later today helped our
chances for two BCS teams. Georgia's loss all but
eliminates them unless they win the SEC title game.
And Bama's so banged up (and Auburn so hot) that it's
tough to see the Tide winning at Jordan-Hare next
week. So if LSU wins out and takes the SEC title,
it'll be tough for that league to get a second BCS
team.

So it would essentially come down to the Fiesta
deciding who they wanted to take against Notre Dame --
VaTech, Oregon or Ohio State and I think the Big Ten
wins that battle every time, and given OSU's history
in Tempe and their midwest rivalry with the Irish,
it'd be a great matchup. Certainly more appealing than
Irish-Hokies or Irish-Ducks.

As for our game, I still think Nashville looks most
likely no matter if we get the BCS bid or not. The
Cats and Minnesota will likely be the last two teams
in Big Ten pecking order and the bowl reps will talk
and work something out to try and avoid repeat
appearances (bowl fans don't tend to travel well to
the same spot two straight years unless it's
Pasadena:) ). So since Minny went to Nashville last
year, I think we're in. Either Minny to El Paso and us
to Nashville if OSU gets a bid, or NU to Nashville and
Minny to Detroit.

Although El Paso would be a somewhat easy drive from
Phoenix:), the matchup against either UCLA or Oregon
would be tough (though Tennessee in their home state
wouldn't be a cakewalk either!) and I think Cats fans
would enjoy a trip to the Music City better than El
Paso.

But we'll see how it shakes out. Good to have this
talk again in mid-November. All we can do is go out
and make our case next week by stomping the rival
Illini!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 13 09:13:39 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov 13 09:14:07 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/13
Message-ID: <000001c5e864$d44a2610$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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The Day After Edition

OSU puts one on the Wildcats, Basketball getting ready to open season with a
decent slate of teams.

All the News that Fits We Link
Your Index to News about
Northwestern University Athletics

FOOTBALL

     No. 25 Northwestern Falls To No. 10 Ohio State, 48-7
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/111205aaa.html 
     + Walker-"We didn't execute as well"
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/465771.html 
     + The First 2:26 Were Great!
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/465764.html 
     + Not-so-special showing by Cats
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051112nu,1,1892419.sto
ry?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Nothing special for Cats
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=120320 
     + A Cat-astrophe in Columbus
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu13.html 
     + NU won't pull punches
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=119212 
     + College Football: No. 10 Ohio State 48, No. 25 Northwestern 7
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/131sd6.htm 
     + a demolition by the Buckeyes!
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats5k12a.html 
     + NCAA Game Summary - Northwestern At Ohio State
      http://www.nbc5.com/cfoot569/5311565/detail.html 
     + boxscore
      http://www.nbc5.com/cfoot/5312064/detail.html 
     + Hawk dazzles as Buckeyes rip Northwestern 
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/football/ncaa/11/12/nu.osu.ap/ind
ex.html?section=si_ncaaf 

     SjT: Post Game Blues
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/465765.html 
     HailTo Purple: U-G-L-Y
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats5k12a.html 

     Tyrell Sutton: Sutton's homecoming a bummer
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051112nubits,1,793440.
story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Not script Sutton envisioned in return to Ohio
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-jenn13.html 
     + Homecoming bittersweet for NU's Sutton
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=120322 

     From the Ohio State Buckeyes
     Buckeyes Wrap Home Slate, Pound NU 48-7
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=465516 
     + Ohio State Improves to 6-1 in Big Ten with 48-7 Win over Northwestern
 
http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/111205aad.html

     + Postgame Press Conference From No. 10 Ohio State vs. No. 25 Northwestern
 
http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/111205aab.html

     $ Offensive Notes: Pittman Surges Past 1,000
      http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/465795.html 
     $ Hawk Helps OSU Close Home Slate Right Way
      http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/465818.html 
     + Buckeyes Roll Over the Wildcats 48-7
      http://www.10tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4109200&nav=LUEU 
     + Going out a winner 
 
http://www.1460thefan.com/tf.php?story=dispatch/2005/11/13/20051113-A1-06.html 
     + OSU delivers purple hazing
      http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/13156847.htm 
     + Hawk's final home flight
      http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/13156815.htm 

     Next Up the Illinois Fighting Illini
     Mistakes abound as Illini stumble, crumble
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051112illinois,1,27136
03.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + No victory dance for Illiniwek
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051111chief,1,4423131.
story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Illinois stumbles to eighth straight loss
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=120231 
     + Illinois Gets Embarrassed by Host Purdue
      http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content.asp?ID=19093 
     + College Football: Purdue 37, Illinois 3
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/131sd7.htm 
     + Illini Suffer Another Defeat
      http://illinois.scout.com/2/465766.html 
     + Illini quit while they're behind
      http://www.sj-r.com/sections/sports/stories/71257.asp 
     + Zook never fails to accentuate positive
      http://www.news-gazette.com/sportsfacts/stories.cfm?NUMBER=16474 
     + Purdue steams past struggling Illinois
 
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/illini/story/5BCD5E12A3DD49B
9862570B8001CAE3A?OpenDocument 
     + Nov. 13: Illini Report Card 
 
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/illini/story/8AAA8ADCB0F10F9
7862570B8001CFDED?OpenDocument 
     + Boilers steamroll Illini QB Brasic
      http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2005/11/13/sports/illini/1011260.txt



     Miscellaneous Football News:
     Get Ready to Bowl
      http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/about/bowl-2005.html 

     High-scoring performances highlight push for the Big Ten title
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111205aab.html 

     Iowa Storms Back to Shock Wisconsin
      http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content.asp?ID=19118 

Recruiting

     Kevin Green IL LB/FB Scores TD in Playoff Win
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=465938&nid=1758714&fhn=1&refid=4742


BASKETBALL

     Men:
     Next up is the BCA Invitational
     Carmody, Wildcats know fast start crucial 
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=120319 
     + Cowboys to Host Prestigious BCA Invitational, Nov. 13-15
 
http://wyomingathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/110905aac.htm
l 

     Printable Bracket in PDF Format
 
http://www.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/wyo/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/05BCA
schedule 

     Lehigh Mountain Hawks Sunday - 9 PM 
     BKB Pregame Intel: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/465366.html 
     + Mountain Hawks arrive in Laramie
      http://www.lehighsports.com/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=4339 

     Future Big 10 Opponents:
     Ohio St. suspends 2 for opener
      http://www.nwherald.com/SportsSection/college/321274834167650.php 

     Women:
     Wildcats Fall to Challengers, 86-68
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/111105aab.html 

CROSS COUNTRY

     Northwestern Places 16th at NCAA Midwest Regionals
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-xc/recaps/111205aab.html 

TENNIS

     Wildcats Complete Day Two at Big Ten Indoor Singles Championships
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/111305aad.html 

VOLLEYBALL

     Northwestern Train Keeps Rolling, Derails No. 17 Minnesota, 3-2
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/111105aaa.html 
     + Minnesota Rally Falls Short in Five-Game Loss to Northwestern 
 
http://www.gophersports.com/sportsNews/press_release.asp?news_id=11481&sport_id=
wvoll 

     Northwestern Throttles Iowa, 3-0
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/111205aad.html 
     + Hawkeyes Swept at Home
 
http://hawkeyesports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/111205aaa.html 

WRESTLING

     No. 18 Northwestern Opens Season at Michigan State Open
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/111205aac.html 

MISCELLANY

     Syracuse retires the storied uniform No. 44 
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/football/ncaa/11/12/bc.fbc.syracu
se.44.ap/index.html?section=si_ncaaf 

ALUMNI

     Matt Ulrich: Ulrich Promoted From Practice Squad
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=465744 

     PGA: [Links on Player's Name is their live scorecard]
     Luke Donald Will be at the WGC - Algarve World Cup in Portugal starting Nov
17th
      http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/latest.sps?iTourNo=2005078

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 13 10:08:01 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 13 10:09:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Standings/Bowl eligibility
Message-ID: <191.4c652fc6.30a8bee1@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/12/2005 9:48:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
jmccull@insight.rr.com writes:

> I think this means the following:
> 
> 1. Penn State (assuming a victory next week)
> 2. Ohio State (assuming a victory next week)
> 3. Wisconsin (5-3/9-3) (assuming a victory in Hawaii)
> 3. Michigan (5-3/7-4)
> 3. Northwestern (5-3/7-4)
> 3. Iowa (5-3/7-4)(assuming a victory next week)
> 3. Minnesota (5-3/7-4) (assuming a loss next week)
> 4. Purdue (3-5/5-6)(assuming they beat Indiana next week)
> 5. Michigan State (2-6/5-6)
> 6. Indiana (1-7/4-7)
> 7. Illinois (0-8/2-9)
> 
> That leaves seven Big Ten teams bowl-eligible. 
> 

This looks right to me--Based on these projections, it looks like Cats do 
have a worst case situation? of Motor City Bowl -yik! ---Though if OSU beats Mich 
and gets into a BCS bowl,we should move up to at least Music City --and of 
course Sun or Music City committees could take us vs the others such as Minnie 
and Iowa 

Harry
From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov 13 09:55:17 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov 13 10:09:38 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Q3/Q4: Columbus
In-Reply-To: <20051112195135.66243.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051112152148.04610df0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

At 11/12/2005 02:51 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote:
>* ROSE: USC vs. Texas
>* ORANGE: Penn State vs. Miami
>* FIESTA: Ohio State vs. Notre Dame
>* SUGAR: LSU vs. West Virginia
>* CITRUS: Wisconsin vs. Georgia
>* OUTBACK: Michigan vs. Florida
>* ALAMO: Iowa vs. Nebraska (the Corn Bowl?):)
>* SUN: Minnesota vs. UCLA
>* MUSIC CITY: Northwestern vs. Tennessee
>* MOTOR CITY: Hoping MSU manages a big comeback or
>shocks PSU ... otherwise, they'll go out of conference

Now that the 'Cats don't have a chance for a share of the conference title 
and Alabama has lost, I'd like to see Texas and Miami get upset so that we 
can have a proper Big Ten-Pac Ten Rose Bowl!  To have dOSU beat Michigan 
and seal the extra BCS bid for would be great for the conference, too.

I'm glad that the Hawkeyes got eligible.  I was afraid that the conference 
would finish with only six bowl-eligible teams and the Buckeyes would get 
the at-large BCS bid, sticking us with El Paso.  We're almost a lock for 
Nashville now.

-Michael 

From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov 13 10:08:51 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov 13 10:09:41 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Q2: Columbus
In-Reply-To: <111220052113.11859.43765B07000EAB9300002E5321979128020A960
	E080A049F9D9F@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051113105610.03e19da0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

You are right that technically, all plays are reviewed.  But it is obvious 
that is not the definition of "reviewed" that ABC was using for their 
statistic, so my point still stands.

In the common vernacular, a play is not "reviewed" unless there is a 
stoppage for it.  The stat that ABC cited, even though they did not 
explicitly say so, was the percentage of plays where there was an official 
timeout for review, where the call was overturned.  It was not the 
percentage of total reviewable plays that were overturned.  The numbers 
don't fit otherwise.  Technically, the results of every pass play are 
reviewable.  Was it a completion or not?  Most of them are obvious and the 
technical advisor remains silent.  But there is no way that 40% of all 
reviewable -- and thus technically, reviewed -- plays were overturned.

-Michael

At 11/12/2005 04:13 PM, prplehaze@insightbb.com wrote:
>All plays subject to review are reviewed immediately after they happen even if
>play hasn't been stopped.  When play is stopped for a review, it's because the
>replay official sees sufficient indisputable evidence that the call on the 
>field
>was wrong and wants more time to review the play further.  Here's an 
>explanation
>of the Big Ten rule.  The point being that all plays are reviewed, if they are
>eligble for review under the rules - not all plays are subject to review, 
>as the
>article linked below makes clear.
>
>
>http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/big10-replay.html
>Mark Ament
>prplehaze@insightbb.com
>
>
> > At 11/12/2005 01:38 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote:
> > >- Great stat by ABC of the replay reversals ... hmm
> > >40% in the Big Ten to lead the BCS leagues. Guess
> > >JoePa and Lloyd Carr were right all those years about
> > >conference refs just plain ole' getting it wrong.
> >
> > Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
> >
> > The stat is meaningless without knowing how many plays (or actually what
> > percentage of plays) are selected for review.  If 5% of plays in the Big
> > Ten get reviewed and of those 40% get overturned, that's 2% of total plays
> > getting overturned.  But if 10% of plays in the SEC are getting 
> reviewed (I
> > doubt that's true; I'm just using nice round numbers to make the math easy
> > and illustrate the point) and of those 23% are getting overturned, 
> that's a
> > 2.3% rate of overturn.
> >
> > I'm not arguing for or against Big Ten officials.  I'm just pointing out
> > that the number that they showed does not present the complete picture.
> >
> > -Michael
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 11:29:14 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 13 11:30:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Q2: Columbus
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051113105610.03e19da0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <20051113172914.94443.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com>

> You are right that technically, all plays are
> reviewed.  But it is obvious 
> that is not the definition of "reviewed" that ABC
> was using for their 
> statistic, so my point still stands.

Except that by using a percentage, you are getting an
equal representation of all the conferences. If it had
said that 200 calls were overturned in the Big Ten and
50 in the SEC, we'd have no idea what the pool was or
whether that was a high or low percentage.

But the stat said percentage -- so whether it's a
large pool of reviewed plays or not, the fact remains
that more calls in the Big Ten are overturned by
replay than in the other BCS conferences (i.e. Big Ten
refs get it wrong on the field more often so thank
goodness we have replay:) ).

> technical advisor remains silent.  But there is no
> way that 40% of all 
> reviewable -- and thus technically, reviewed --
> plays were overturned.

No - just 40% of close calls that went to the booth.
Where in other leagues, the percentage overturned was
lower. That's all the stat said and that's all review
does - look at close calls on the field, and in the
Big Ten's case, those calls weren't correct in a
higher percentage of instances.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 11:34:01 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 13 11:35:11 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Q3/Q4: Columbus
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051112152148.04610df0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <20051113173401.84042.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com>

> Now that the 'Cats don't have a chance for a share
> of the conference title 
> and Alabama has lost, I'd like to see Texas and
> Miami get upset so that we 
> can have a proper Big Ten-Pac Ten Rose Bowl!  To

That'd be fun! Though I don't envy any team who has to
face USC in LA on Jan. 4 ... looking at Carroll's
history of preparing for bowls, that defense will be
ready. It is looking more likely, though, that we can
get two BCS bids.

> the at-large BCS bid, sticking us with El Paso. 
> We're almost a lock for 
> Nashville now.

That's the way I see it ... but I'm no expert. I think
Minnesota and NU are the two "least attractive" teams
for bowls in terms of fans/ratings/etc. so we'll be at
the end of the order and be Sun vs. Music City or
Music City vs. Motor City depending on OSU in the BCS.
Either way, I don't think the folks in Nashville want
a repeat of the Gophers so we look good.

Of course, upsets next weekend by MSU or Minny (they'd
have to take an 8-3 Minny before 6-5 Iowa) could wreck
all that.

Do I hear a chorus of Rocky Top already? Ugh! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From warneradams at comcast.net  Sun Nov 13 12:31:20 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Sun Nov 13 12:47:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Hanley History
Message-ID: <200511131847.jADIlibl027522@gw.tssi.com>

After a down weekend I thought some of you might enjoy this recollection of
NU's great 1930 and 31 teams from noted college football historian Ray
Schmidt:

THE FLYING DUTCHMAN

By Ray Schmidt

When Dick Hanley took over as head football coach at Northwestern in 1927,
after the Purple had shared the 1926 Big Ten championship, expectations
called for the start of a gridiron dynasty along the shores of Lake Michigan
just north of Chicago. Yet only disappointment followed during Hanley's
first three seasons, until his recruiting efforts finally paid off with an
outstanding team in 1930, followed by one of the most controversial seasons
in Big Ten history.

In 1930 Hanley combined an armada of talented running backs, a dangerous
passing attack, and a tough defense, and rolled through the Big Ten schedule
unbeaten for a share of the conference title with Michigan. In the final
game of the season, with the mythical national championship on the line,
Northwestern suffered a let-down in the mud of Dyche Stadium with eight
minutes to play and fell to Notre Dame by a score of 14-0. Down through the
years football historians have considered the 1930 Northwestern outfit to be
one of the greatest in Big Ten history.

As the 1931 season dawned Hanley was looking toward another shot at national
honors despite having lost two-thirds of his starters from the previous
year. Heading up the linemen were two outstanding tackles in Jack Riley and
Dallas Marvil, along with guard Jim Evans, while the backfield leaders were
again expected to be junior Ernie (Pug) Rentner and senior Fayette (Reb)
Russell. In 1930 Russell, a powerful line-blasting fullback, had received
considerable first team All-America mention. Claire Burcky of the NEA wire
service wrote that North western's line "is big and powerful and
experienced. The backs are fast and heavy and shifty."

Yet without question Northwestern's 1931 gridiron fortunes were going to
greatly hinge upon the, play of Rentner at tailback. Rentner, nicknamed the
"Flying Dutchman," had exploded on the 1930 football world as a dazzling
break-away runner with 9.8 second speed, was an excellent passer, and a
rugged defensive back. But while tackling fullback Jack Manders in the 1930
Minnesota game, Rentner suffered severely pinched nerves in his right arm
and was lost for the season. With his arm bound in a splint for weeks,
atrophy set in and for a time there was concern his football days might be
over. Determined to return, Rentner labored at his rehab but the injury had
left a slight limit to the movement of his right arm which would prove to
hamper the Purple's passing attack, a serious blow since Rentner had been
considered the best forward passer in the Big Ten in 1930.

Northwestern opened its 1931 season on October 3 against Nebraska at Dyche
Stadium before nearly 40,000 fans, and it didn't take Rentner long to show
he was ready. On just the fifth play from scrimmage George Potter flipped a
pass to Dick Fencl who lateralled to Pug, who proceeded to sprint 35 yards
into the end zone for the touchdown. A short time later Rentner slashed
through right tackle, reversed his field, and galloped 65 yards to another
touchdown. Still in the first quarter, halfback Ken Meenan intercepted a
Nebraska pass and rambled 28 yards to the TD that made it 19-0, and the
Purple then coasted the rest of the way for a 19-7 victory. Rentner had been
simply brilliant as he rushed for 174 yards on just 14 carries.

Instead of having to wait for the season finale to meet up with Notre Dame,
as they had the year before, the Purple faced off against the Fighting Irish
at Chicago's Soldier Field in the second game of 1931 Notre Dame had lost
most of its great team from 1930, but, led by halfback Marchy Schwartz, the
Irish had another strong outfit that had continued the school's winning
streak to 20 straight. But Soldier Field was quickly turned into a quagmire
by the persistently heavy rains that lasted all day, and the conditions made
any consistent offensive football virtually impossible. The two teams
combined for 19 fumbles - 15 recovered for turnovers - along with a combined
total offense figure of just 187 yards and nine first downs. Throughout the
rainy afternoon the game's outcome hinged on the punting duel between
Schwartz and Ollie Olson of Northwestern, and both players spent the day
booming towering punts through the pouring rain - Schwartz getting off one
kick of 71 yards while Olson had three punts longer than 50 yards.

Notre Dame recovered an early fumble and was looking for a quick score until
Rentner knocked away a pass to end the threat. Northwestern then dominated
much of the play in the first half and twice the Purple had the ball inside
the Notre Dame five yard line. In the second quarter Jack Riley recovered a
fumble and the Purple, behind the running of Olson and Rentner, pounded the
ball to the Irish four yard line before being held on fourth down and
inches. A few minutes later the Purple had the football at the Notre Dame
five, only to see this chance lost also when Schwartz knocked away a fourth
down pass.

The second half was a different game. Early in the third quarter halfback
George Melinkovich of the Irish sliced through left tackle and into the
clear, and only a great tackle by Potter saved the touchdown. Three times
Notre Dame had the football inside the Purple's 20 yard line, and the last
time came in the game's closing minutes after Ed (Moose) Krause blocked an
Olson punt and recovered the ball at the 19. But here the weary Northwestern
defensive line roused itself and took the ball back on downs at their 23
yard line. The gun soon sounded on the 0-0 tie, prompting Chicago Tribune
writer Harvey Woodruff to note that "any result other than a tie under the
dismal weather conditions and the equal efforts expended by two game elevens
would have been an injustice....What might have happened on a dry field
cannot be told."

Northwestern next played host to UCLA and with the Bruins' defense
concentrating on Rentner, Ken Meenan and Al Moore did much of the ball
carrying as the Purple piled up 375 yards of total offense (119 yards
passing in Rentner's best aerial game of the season). Meenan swept around
end for nine yards and the first TD of the day in the second quarter, and
then intercepted a UCLA pass in the third quarter that set up his eventual
one-yard TD plunge; Moore adding another tally to wrap up the routine 19-0
victory. Northwestern then lifted the lid on its 1931 Big Ten schedule on
October 24, as it took to the road to meet a very good Ohio State team that
was coming off a big win over Michigan. The two teams slugged their way
through a scoreless first half, with Northwestern being turned away by a
goal line stand at the Buckeyes' one yard line, while Rentner intercepted a
pass to break up a Buckeye threat. In the second half the Purple defense,
led by the brilliant play of Marvil and Riley, shut down the Ohio State
attack. Meanwhile, midway through the third quarter Rentner swept around
left end and dashed 50 yards to the game's first touchdown. Then as the
period came to a close, Rentner broke off a run of 15 yards to set up
Olson's 44-yard drop-kick field goal. Northwestern finished the day with a
10-0 victory after piling up 371 yards of total offense, paced by Rentner's
140 yards on 17 carries.

The Wildcats (as the Northwestern squad was now being commonly called by
newsmen) then returned home and soundly trounced Illinois by a score of 32-6
before 40,000. Northwestern exploded for four touchdowns in the first
quarter, including a 66-yard scoring gallop by Rentner in the game's opening
minute and an 83-yard kickoff return TD by Potter. The Wildcats coasted the
rest of the way while tallying 354 yards of total offense, but their Big Ten
and national title hopes received a serious jolt later in the first quarter
when Rentner's right thumb was fractured in four places. A specially built
drum-splint was fashioned after the game to allow him to
continue his ball carrying duties, but he was no longer a threat as a
forward passer.

On November 7 the Northwestern gridmen tried out their revamped attack
against a dangerous Minnesota team that featured a consensus All-America
guard named Clarence (Biggie) Munn, Any doubts that the Wildcat offense was
still operating in high gear were laid to rest as they hammered Minnesota by
a score of 32-14, despite spotting the Golden Gophers a two touchdown lead
in the second quarter. Olson and Rentner each scored two touchdowns, with
the Flying Dutchman dazzling the 42,000 fans as he registered his with a
95-yard kickoff return to open the third quarter, and then added another on
a 70-yard punt return in the fourth. With only dates against a pair of
struggling teams, Indiana and Iowa, remaining on the schedule, sportswriters
were declaring the Wildcats as sure things for the 1931 Big Ten crown.
Meanwhile, Rentner had become such a local celebrity by mid-November that
the Chicago newspapers were carrying photo and cartoon layouts of Pug's life
as a college hero, including signing autographs for coeds and working at his
job in a local cigar store.

But the Northwestern title express nearly was derailed the next weekend
before a sparse crowd at Dyche Stadium, as the Wildcats had to struggle
against Indiana. For nearly three quarters of play the underdog Hoosiers
played like the team that was closing in on a Big Ten title as they shut
down the Wildcats running game. Meanwhile, Indiana's offense pushed the
Wildcats around for much of the day with only four lost fumbles stopping the
Hoosiers. A touchdown at the start of the second quarter gave Indiana a 6-0
lead when Vie Dauer's extra point attempt hit one of the uprights.
Northwestern's big break came in the third quarter when Fencl recovered one
of the Hoosier fumbles just 21 yards from paydirt. It took five plays before
Reb Russell, in his first appearance since suffering a cracked bone in his
back in the season opener, blasted over right tackle for the final three
yards to the end zone. Paul Engebretsen added the extra point, and
Northwestern hung on to escape with a 7-6 victory. The Wildcats then went on
the road and knocked off Iowa 19-0 as Russell tallied a pair of touchdowns,
while Rentner rushed for 84 yards on 16 carries. This apparently wrapped up
the schedule for Northwestern with a 7-0-1 record, but Charles Bartlett of
the Chicago Tribune made no comment about the Wildcats having won the Big
Ten crown for 1931.

During the early 1930s there was considerable pressure upon university
officials to allow their football teams to play in post-season charity fund
raising games, and in 1931 the Big Ten Conference had decided early in the
fall to go along with the proposed exhibitions. Except they turned out not
to be exhibition games and this was the start of the Big Ten's long running
controversy. Although the sportswriters apparently all missed the news until
mid-November, on October 1 the Big Ten had announced that it was suspending
its rule banning post-season games for 1931 to allow the charity contests.
The plan was that the two teams with the highest winning percentages in the
conference would meet to "settle their right to the crown" - assuming that
one team had not already clinched the title. There would also be two other
Big Ten games to count in the standings, along with a scrimmage tournament
amongst the four bottom teams in the standings. Initially the announcement
didn't create much stir, but after Michigan and Purdue had both suffered
defeats while the Wildcats closed in on their apparent title, Coach Hanley
became infuriated that this extra game would count in the conference
standings.

But Dick Hanley was not the most popular football coach amongst his peers in
the Big Ten. Much of this went back to the mid-1920s when some - notably
Amos A. Stagg - became convinced that Northwestern had undertaken a program
of illegal recruiting and subsidizing of athletes, and Hanley's rumored
reputation at the Haskell Indian School did nothing to convince the
reformers otherwise. Before the last game on the regular season schedule,
George Salsinger, a Detroit sportswriter, called Hanley and told him that
Fielding Yost of Michigan was telling people that Northwestern was "afraid"
to play another game. John L. Griffith, Big Ten commissioner, wrote to
Professor Thomas French of Ohio State and complained that "the schedule was
made up solely with an eye to charity and now it will be impossible to
convince the public that politics did not enter into the making of the
schedule." Griffith added that if it had been left to Hartley, the Wildcats'
coach "would have picked a set-up" for the charity outing.

When the smoke cleared, Northwestern was alone on top of the Big Ten, with
Purdue and Michigan a game behind. Purdue was tabbed as the opponent for the
Wildcats on the basis of a better overall record On the West Coast, Rose
Bowl officials had selected Northwestern as the desired opponent for
Southern California on New Years Day and Wildcat officials had indicated
that they were willing to seek Big Ten permission to play. USC was even
sending its top scout to the Purdue game. Yet this was a dangerous Purdue
outfit that had plenty of top players, and while Hanley continued to
complain the Tribune noted that the Northwestern players "have accepted the
additional game with the same charitable feeling with which it was
scheduled."

With 35,000 fans shivering in Soldier Field on November 28, the two teams
battled back and forth in a well played game. In the second quarter Rentner
returned a punt 32 yards to the Purdue 21 yard line, and a pass interference
penalty followed to put the ball just two yards from paydirt. But a pair of
penalties and a fumble halted the threat. In the third quarter the Wildcats
were twice turned away inside Purdue's 20 yard line. Then, late in the
fourth period, Fred Hecker of the Boilermakers intercepted a pass and
returned it 45 yards to the Northwestern 31 Four plays later Jim Purvis
blasted around left end for an 11-yard touchdown run, and Purdue had knocked
off the Wildcats 7-0. Northwestern was forced to share the 1931 Big Ten
title with Purdue and Michigan (a 16-0 winner over Wisconsin), and Ohio
State would have made it a four-way tie except the Buckeyes fell to
Minnesota 19-7. In a silent Wildcat locker room, a dejected Hanley said that
his players had physically passed their peak and "weren't ready for this
game."

Northwestern finished the 1931 season with an overall record of 7-1-1 and a
#4 finish in the Dickinson Rankings (finalized before the Purdue game). For
the season Pug Rentner had racked up 1,528 all-purpose yards (648 rushing on
112 carries), and sportswriters such as Grantland Rice and Francis Powers
called him one of the greatest backs in Big Ten history. Rentner, Jack
Riley, and Dallas Marvil were all named consensus First Team All-Americans
for 1931, and Rentner (1979) and Riley (1988) were later inducted into the
College Football Hall of Fame. Yet the fact remains that the post-season
charity games should NOT have been declared as regular conference outings
after the season had already started (apparently done to boost the gate
receipts which proved to be disappointing to officials), and, in perhaps the
most controversial Big Ten football season ever, the Wildcats were robbed of
their first outright title in school history.



From warneradams at comcast.net  Sun Nov 13 12:24:18 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Sun Nov 13 13:28:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Random Thoughts
Message-ID: <200511131928.jADJSNbl028263@gw.tssi.com>

I think most of us on this List are among the more loyal NU fans around and
I wonder how much of that game we watched.  I packed it in at 41-7 to go
rake leaves which may lead some to question my dedication but it starts to
get too painful at some point.

 

The SEC Games:  Across the board these were the highlight of the day.  I
love LSU so the win at Alabama was one to savor.  OT is definitely exciting
but I think I still prefer ties.  Those two defenses are incredibly quick
and I would love to see that LSU line take on some of the Big Ten front
fives.  An appeal for more Big Ten - SEC match-ups please!

 

Auburn - Georgia was even better (thank you TIVO) and one Auburn fans will
recall for a long time.  It had an ending somewhat similar to Georgia's win
over Florida in the early 80's with a remarkable 62 yard pitch and catch on
4th and Ten.  It had me thinking about how every school suffers their "Penn
States" once or twice a season.  It is unusual to roll through 11-12-13
games undefeated without getting a break or two.

 

I am now a Spurrier fan after years of decrying him as pompous and evil.
His win at Tennessee was remarkable but this one was probably more
satisfying for him.  I can also relate to those South Carolina fans who have
got to be loving this stretch of good football after so many down years. 

 

Finally, down 41-10 in the 3rd quarter, Vandy almost staged a miracle
comeback.  The poor Commodores will miss Bowling again after such a hopeful
start.  Maybe they can surprise Tennessee to salvage the season.

 

Go Fresno State!

 

David Warner

Evanston, IL

        

From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov 13 15:21:41 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov 13 15:21:53 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Standings/Bowl eligibility
In-Reply-To: <19b21319a77b.19a77b19b213@columbus.rr.com>
References: <19b21319a77b.19a77b19b213@columbus.rr.com>
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The one small mistake with your list is that Penn State and Ohio State 
would be tied for 1st.  There's no tie-breaker for the Big Ten 
championship.  The tie-breaker is only for determining the 
representative to the BCS.  Penn State and Ohio State would be co-Big 
Ten champs.

With respect to bowls, I'm hoping that the Music City Bowl, which was 
set to invite us last year, may still be eying us closely, and that we 
may finalize plans with the Music City Bowl as early as next week, 
before the BCS picture is all finished up.  This has happened with 
other teams in past years.  It's OK so long as the bowls ahead of them 
in the picking order don't object and wouldn't be left with no teams.

My concern is I don't think we have a shot at the top 4 Bowls now (BCS, 
Capital One, Outback, or Alamo), although in theory, if OSU were to get 
an at-large bid, we might be able to sneak into the Alamo.  But 
personally I think the Sun Bowl would be the worst scenario.  We could 
be pitted against a pretty good Pac-10 team, and who the heck wants to 
travel to El Paso?  I think a lot more fans would make the trip to 
Nashville, and we'd have a better chance at winning.





On Nov 12, 2005, at 11:12 PM, jmccull@insight.rr.com wrote:

> OK -- as predicted we tanked in Columbus. However, we do have one more
> game left. I don't think anyone will predict a loss next week. That
> leaves us at 7-4. Iowa and Minnesota could both end up 7-4 if Iowa
> wins next week in Iowa city. Wisconsin looks like they will end up 9-3
> with a win in Hawaii.
>
> I think this means the following:
>
> 1. Penn State (assuming a victory next week)
> 2. Ohio State (assuming a victory next week)
> 3. Wisconsin (5-3/9-3) (assuming a victory in Hawaii)
> 3. Michigan (5-3/7-4)
> 3. Northwestern (5-3/7-4)
> 3. Iowa (5-3/7-4)(assuming a victory next week)
> 3. Minnesota (5-3/7-4) (assuming a loss next week)
> 4. Purdue (3-5/5-6)(assuming they beat Indiana next week)
> 5. Michigan State (2-6/5-6)
> 6. Indiana (1-7/4-7)
> 7. Illinois (0-8/2-9)
>
> That leaves seven Big Ten teams bowl-eligible.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> J.R.
>
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 13 15:22:32 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov 13 15:26:27 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Doomsday scenario
Message-ID: <4377AE98.1080101@earthlink.net>

Michigan is playing Ohio State at Ann Arbor.  I think the Wolverines 
will win that game.

Michigan State is playing Penn State at East Lansing.  MSU needs to win 
in order to become bowl-eligible.  I think it's very possible that the 
Spartans will fire up and play as they did in the early part of the 
season.  It would not be that great an upset if MSU wins that contest.

IF Michigan and Michigan State both win, two keys things will happen:

1. The Big Ten will not send a second team to one of the big BCS bowls
2. The Big Ten will then have eight bowl-eligbile teams, with only seven 
slots assured.

The Motor City Bowl would probably want to have MSU as one of their 
participants very much.  And, what if the other six Big Ten bowl slots 
are filled by the other bowl eligible teams?  We would then be hoping to 
get an at-large slot from one of the misfit bowls (such as the new 
Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego).

In other words, it's not over until it's over.  Go Cats!  And, I guess, 
go Penn State!

Jim B.


From jason at jasonsinger.com  Sun Nov 13 15:43:28 2005
From: jason at jasonsinger.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sun Nov 13 15:46:46 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Doomsday scenario
In-Reply-To: <4377AE98.1080101@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200511132143.jADLhNqE008330@host14.webserver1010.com>

Well, given that is a less than preferable choice based on prestige...I know
those of us in the Southern Cal area would OVE to go to a game in San Diego
vs. El Paso or Nashville. But I'm still banking on Nashville against the
Vols.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Bendat
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:23 PM
To: NU Sports list
Subject: [NU Sports] Doomsday scenario

We would then be hoping to get an at-large slot from one of the misfit bowls
(such as the new Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego).

In other words, it's not over until it's over.  Go Cats!  And, I guess, 
go Penn State!

Jim B.

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 13 16:35:56 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 13 16:35:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Doomsday scenario (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511132235.jADMZudX013616@romaine.tssi.com>

> Well, given that is a less than preferable choice based on prestige...I know
> those of us in the Southern Cal area would OVE to go to a game in San Diego
> vs. El Paso or Nashville. But I'm still banking on Nashville against the
> Vols.

I'm not sure why MSU would be preferable over Northwestern to the fine
folks in Nashville.

Any year but this and I would be VERY likely to be at that game, especially
since I have a client about 100 miles away that wants me to come spend
a few more weeks in their office.  (I've already been there about 8
weeks so far this year, I'll probably be there again in February when they
move from their temporary location into their new building.)

However, my younger son is leaving on December 31st to study in Germany 
for 7 months, so I'm not going to be in Nashville on the 30th.
--
Mike Nolan

From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Sun Nov 13 17:45:19 2005
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Sun Nov 13 17:53:03 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl choices
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE820@goose.latimes.com>

 What are the objectives of the bowl game the Wildcats are going to be in?
 1. Winning the game? Of course.
 2. Practice time for the team, especially next year's starters? Right.
 3. Bowl experience for the alumni and fan base? Indeed.
 Since 1 and 2 are the same no matter what game we're in, let's focus on 3. 
 Let's face it, Wildcat faithful. We are headed for a so-called "minor" bowl. 
 That being the case, I hope the bowl reps in places like San Antonio, El Paso, Nashville and Detroit are looking to the likes of the Gophers, Spartans, Badgers or Hawkeyes. Or anybody but Northwestern. 
 To me, the quality of the city, its attractions and weather in item 3 is a key.
 Which is why I hope like hell we are not in Detroit. Good God. Also, since the Wildcats were just there a couple years ago, the Motor City Bowl would invite that "deja vu all over again" feeling.
 Same for San Antonio. Been there, done that. Plus, who can forget that horrid 66-17 butt-whipping we endured at the hands of Nebraska? Ugh. Bad vibe. Who wants to go back there? 
 The only upside to El Paso I can see is that I have never been to New Mexico, and I would naturally be keen to knock New Mexico off my list of states visited while in nearby El Paso, Texas.
 As for Nashville: apologies in advance to those of you who live there or near there (including my fraternity brother and fellow lister Chris Thompson) but where would you rather be in December, Nashville or San Diego?
 Or, for that matter, how about at the insight.com bowl in Phoenix?
 Or the Aloha Bowl (if we're eligible -- I'm too lazy to find out)?
 I hope we wallop the bejeezus out of Illinois this week and then fall right out of the Big Ten matched bowls scene and are free to go where some loving bowl in warm weather wants us. If we finish 7-4, 5-3 Big Ten, our explosive offense (well, on the days it's not playing Michigan or Ohio State and feeling explosive) ought to look inviting to some bowl rep in his or her weird-colored jacket somewhere. 
 Bring on San Diego or Phoenix or Honolulu, as far as I'm concerned.
 Yours in Los Angeles, where it's always warm, which is why the Rose Bowl is the granddaddy of them all -- Alan

 

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 18:32:39 2005
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sun Nov 13 18:33:48 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NashVegas
In-Reply-To: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE820@goose.latimes.com>
Message-ID: <20051114003239.93032.qmail@web30311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

My money says that the Cats finish 7-4 and come to the Music City Bowl. 

I completely agree with Alan that Hawaii and San Diego are better warm-weather
destinations, but I think Nashville (my adopted city) is a far better
destination than El Paso. You can easily fill 2-3 days here and make a nice
bowl trip of it. 

Victory & Honor,
Jim

Things to do in Nashville:
1) Stay at (or visit) the Opryland Hotel - which will still have it's rather
impressive Christmas light display up.
2) Go "honky-tonkin'" on Broadway. No matter what your opinion of country music
is, its a heck of a lot of fun and the quality of live music here is
incredible. 
3) The Grand Ole Opry is a great experience either for a live show or a tour of
the building. 
4) For a small city, Nashville has a solid offering of restaurants to choose
from. 
5) Come to my house for a pre-game driveway tailgate. I live just under 2 miles
from the stadium. Details to follow, but I'll definitely welcome list members
over before the game. 

--- "Abrahamson, Alan" <Alan.Abrahamson@latimes.com> wrote:
As for Nashville: apologies in advance to those of you who live there or near 
there (including my fraternity brother and fellow lister Chris Thompson) but 
where would you rather be in December, Nashville or San Diego?



		
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov 13 18:38:23 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov 13 18:39:12 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Q2: Columbus
In-Reply-To: <20051113172914.94443.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20051113105610.03e19da0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051113192857.04358040@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

At 11/13/2005 12:29 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote:
> > You are right that technically, all plays are
> > reviewed.  But it is obvious
> > that is not the definition of "reviewed" that ABC
> > was using for their
> > statistic, so my point still stands.
>
>Except that by using a percentage, you are getting an
>equal representation of all the conferences. If it had
>said that 200 calls were overturned in the Big Ten and
>50 in the SEC, we'd have no idea what the pool was or
>whether that was a high or low percentage.
>
>But the stat said percentage -- so whether it's a
>large pool of reviewed plays or not, the fact remains
>that more calls in the Big Ten are overturned by
>replay than in the other BCS conferences (i.e. Big Ten
>refs get it wrong on the field more often so thank
>goodness we have replay:) ).

I agree that it's a percentage that matters.  But it's the percentage of 
total reviewable plays -- including those where the technical advisor 
remained silent and did not disrupt play -- that matters, not just the 
percentage of plays where the replay official called an official 
timeout.  The latter is the stat that ABC used.  See the math on my 
original response to this topic for an illustration of why this stat is flawed.

> > technical advisor remains silent.  But there is no
> > way that 40% of all
> > reviewable -- and thus technically, reviewed --
> > plays were overturned.
>
>No - just 40% of close calls that went to the booth.

With "went to the booth" really meaning "had an official timeout called so 
the technical advisor could look at it more closely."

>Where in other leagues, the percentage overturned was
>lower. That's all the stat said and that's all review
>does - look at close calls on the field, and in the
>Big Ten's case, those calls weren't correct in a
>higher percentage of instances.

I'm not trying to defend the Big Ten's refs.  I'm just trying to defend 
them against a statistic that does not tell the true, complete picture.

-Michael 

From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov 13 18:41:21 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov 13 18:42:08 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NashVegas
In-Reply-To: <20051114003239.93032.qmail@web30311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE820@goose.latimes.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051113193907.03f1e938@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

Or, for those of us who love to see the 'Cats every chance we get, but are 
on a bit of a travel budget, it allows us to see the game with just one 
overnight from Indianapolis.  It could be done quite easily from Chicago, 
too.  It's an early kickoff.

-Michael

At 11/13/2005 07:32 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:
>Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
>
>My money says that the Cats finish 7-4 and come to the Music City Bowl.
>
>I completely agree with Alan that Hawaii and San Diego are better warm-weather
>destinations, but I think Nashville (my adopted city) is a far better
>destination than El Paso. You can easily fill 2-3 days here and make a nice
>bowl trip of it.
>
>Victory & Honor,
>Jim
>
>Things to do in Nashville:
>1) Stay at (or visit) the Opryland Hotel - which will still have it's rather
>impressive Christmas light display up.
>2) Go "honky-tonkin'" on Broadway. No matter what your opinion of country 
>music
>is, its a heck of a lot of fun and the quality of live music here is
>incredible.
>3) The Grand Ole Opry is a great experience either for a live show or a 
>tour of
>the building.
>4) For a small city, Nashville has a solid offering of restaurants to choose
>from.
>5) Come to my house for a pre-game driveway tailgate. I live just under 2 
>miles
>from the stadium. Details to follow, but I'll definitely welcome list members
>over before the game.
>
>--- "Abrahamson, Alan" <Alan.Abrahamson@latimes.com> wrote:
>As for Nashville: apologies in advance to those of you who live there or near
>there (including my fraternity brother and fellow lister Chris Thompson) but
>where would you rather be in December, Nashville or San Diego?
>
>
>
>
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Sun Nov 13 18:46:55 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 13 18:48:25 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Doomsday scenario
Message-ID: <208.e4047b4.30a9387f@aol.com>

I can't see Joe Pa losing next week, although the MSU-PSU log is filled  with 
upsets.  MSU has been so "un-clutch" all year (except against ND) that  I 
just don't think they will be able to muster 4 good quarters against a very  
good, but not great, bunch of Lions.
 
Paul Levinson
From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sun Nov 13 19:02:17 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (prplehaze@insightbb.com)
Date: Sun Nov 13 19:03:04 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Standings/Bowl eligibility
Message-ID: <111420050102.1169.4377E2190000A19F0000049121979133630A960E080A049F9D9F@insightbb.com>

I'm with John although there's a bit of self-interest involved since I can
probably get to Nashville without too much difficulty.  It's only a short hop
down I-65 from Louisville and I have no desire to go to El Paso no matter who we
might play there.  Yeah, we might have to get used to hearing Rocky Top although
word out of the SEC is that Music City folks would really rather have someone
else - not a lot of tourist dollars coming into Nashville from all those
homegrown UT fans you know.  As things are shaping up, I don't really see who
else it would be other than possibly South Carolina.  The Music City and
Independence share the 6th and 7th choices from the SEC and the conference and
the bowls work together to decide on which schools go where.  Still, UT is the
most likely choice.
Mark

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> The one small mistake with your list is that Penn State and Ohio State 
> would be tied for 1st.  There's no tie-breaker for the Big Ten 
> championship.  The tie-breaker is only for determining the 
> representative to the BCS.  Penn State and Ohio State would be co-Big 
> Ten champs.
> 
> With respect to bowls, I'm hoping that the Music City Bowl, which was 
> set to invite us last year, may still be eying us closely, and that we 
> may finalize plans with the Music City Bowl as early as next week, 
> before the BCS picture is all finished up.  This has happened with 
> other teams in past years.  It's OK so long as the bowls ahead of them 
> in the picking order don't object and wouldn't be left with no teams.
> 
> My concern is I don't think we have a shot at the top 4 Bowls now (BCS, 
> Capital One, Outback, or Alamo), although in theory, if OSU were to get 
> an at-large bid, we might be able to sneak into the Alamo.  But 
> personally I think the Sun Bowl would be the worst scenario.  We could 
> be pitted against a pretty good Pac-10 team, and who the heck wants to 
> travel to El Paso?  I think a lot more fans would make the trip to 
> Nashville, and we'd have a better chance at winning.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 12, 2005, at 11:12 PM, jmccull@insight.rr.com wrote:
> 
> > OK -- as predicted we tanked in Columbus. However, we do have one more
> > game left. I don't think anyone will predict a loss next week. That
> > leaves us at 7-4. Iowa and Minnesota could both end up 7-4 if Iowa
> > wins next week in Iowa city. Wisconsin looks like they will end up 9-3
> > with a win in Hawaii.
> >
> > I think this means the following:
> >
> > 1. Penn State (assuming a victory next week)
> > 2. Ohio State (assuming a victory next week)
> > 3. Wisconsin (5-3/9-3) (assuming a victory in Hawaii)
> > 3. Michigan (5-3/7-4)
> > 3. Northwestern (5-3/7-4)
> > 3. Iowa (5-3/7-4)(assuming a victory next week)
> > 3. Minnesota (5-3/7-4) (assuming a loss next week)
> > 4. Purdue (3-5/5-6)(assuming they beat Indiana next week)
> > 5. Michigan State (2-6/5-6)
> > 6. Indiana (1-7/4-7)
> > 7. Illinois (0-8/2-9)
> >
> > That leaves seven Big Ten teams bowl-eligible.
> >
> > Is this correct?
> >
> > J.R.
> >
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From herms at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 13 19:25:43 2005
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Sun Nov 13 19:27:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NashVegas
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051113193907.03f1e938@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F82CDEA7373A5CC6B047CEAE5A0@phx.gbl>

Out of curiosity, how many people on this list hail from Tennessee?  I'm in 
Chattanooga, and it's a lonely existence sitting alone in the sports bar 
watching NU on the TV in the corner.

Herman


From warneradams at comcast.net  Sun Nov 13 19:39:51 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Sun Nov 13 19:40:35 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NashVegas
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F82CDEA7373A5CC6B047CEAE5A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200511140140.jAE1eVbl003049@gw.tssi.com>

I know the feeling.  For years I was the only Cats fan at my local sports
bar in Marina Del Rey, California.  Michigan State and Florida State fans
considered it their bar so I was usually relegated to the corner by the Hole
In One Golf Game and the previous night's popcorn.   

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Herman Wang
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:26 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NashVegas

Out of curiosity, how many people on this list hail from Tennessee?  I'm in 
Chattanooga, and it's a lonely existence sitting alone in the sports bar 
watching NU on the TV in the corner.

Herman


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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 13 20:37:49 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 13 20:39:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NashVegas
Message-ID: <20b.e34016d.30a9527d@aol.com>

Well I was going to suggest that wherever we go that we ought to organize 
drinks or a breakfast where we could all hook up and meet our friends on this NU 
Internet site.

Nice to meet the people I have been writing to !--So if it is Nashville, 
maybe we have a voulnteer host already--if it's El Paso ( i won't be going ) , SD 
or Hawaii (Alan this really is a long shot )  we can come up with some other  
plan.  Anyhow a bit pre-mature but i do hope I get to meet some of you at 
wherever we play

Harry

From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov 13 23:42:51 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov 13 23:44:15 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl choices
In-Reply-To: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE820@goose.latimes.com>
References: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE820@goose.latimes.com>
Message-ID: <50874855a91e606a109e78c4bcb5e74f@mac.com>

For me at least, it's precisely because we're headed to a "minor" bowl 
that I'm hoping we're headed to Nashville.  If we were headed to the 
Rose Bowl, for instance, I'd be willing to shell out the bucks to make 
the trip.

But I'm much less likely to spend the money to travel to some far-flung 
destination (like Hawaii) to see us play in a minor bowl.  Nashville is 
a fairly short and inexpensive trip from Chicago, either by car or by 
air, and I think we'd have a better showing there than somewhere out 
west.

Not that I wouldn't mind a December trip to Hawaii, but it's not in 
everyone's football budget.

John


On Nov 13, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Abrahamson, Alan wrote:

>  What are the objectives of the bowl game the Wildcats are going to be 
> in?
>  1. Winning the game? Of course.
>  2. Practice time for the team, especially next year's starters? Right.
>  3. Bowl experience for the alumni and fan base? Indeed.
>  Since 1 and 2 are the same no matter what game we're in, let's focus 
> on 3.
>  Let's face it, Wildcat faithful. We are headed for a so-called 
> "minor" bowl.
>  That being the case, I hope the bowl reps in places like San Antonio, 
> El Paso, Nashville and Detroit are looking to the likes of the 
> Gophers, Spartans, Badgers or Hawkeyes. Or anybody but Northwestern.
>  To me, the quality of the city, its attractions and weather in item 3 
> is a key.
>  Which is why I hope like hell we are not in Detroit. Good God. Also, 
> since the Wildcats were just there a couple years ago, the Motor City 
> Bowl would invite that "deja vu all over again" feeling.
>  Same for San Antonio. Been there, done that. Plus, who can forget 
> that horrid 66-17 butt-whipping we endured at the hands of Nebraska? 
> Ugh. Bad vibe. Who wants to go back there?
>  The only upside to El Paso I can see is that I have never been to New 
> Mexico, and I would naturally be keen to knock New Mexico off my list 
> of states visited while in nearby El Paso, Texas.
>  As for Nashville: apologies in advance to those of you who live there 
> or near there (including my fraternity brother and fellow lister Chris 
> Thompson) but where would you rather be in December, Nashville or San 
> Diego?
>  Or, for that matter, how about at the insight.com bowl in Phoenix?
>  Or the Aloha Bowl (if we're eligible -- I'm too lazy to find out)?
>  I hope we wallop the bejeezus out of Illinois this week and then fall 
> right out of the Big Ten matched bowls scene and are free to go where 
> some loving bowl in warm weather wants us. If we finish 7-4, 5-3 Big 
> Ten, our explosive offense (well, on the days it's not playing 
> Michigan or Ohio State and feeling explosive) ought to look inviting 
> to some bowl rep in his or her weird-colored jacket somewhere.
>  Bring on San Diego or Phoenix or Honolulu, as far as I'm concerned.
>  Yours in Los Angeles, where it's always warm, which is why the Rose 
> Bowl is the granddaddy of them all -- Alan
>
>
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Mon Nov 14 00:21:47 2005
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Mon Nov 14 01:40:40 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?
Message-ID: <001101c5e8e3$b13ef2c0$fb326580@jthiegs2003>

Collegefootballnews.com projects us in the Fort Worth Bowl against Tulsa on
December 23rd.  That's supposed to pit the Conference USA #4 against the Big
12 #8, but they predict that there will be no Big 12 team eligible for that
spot.  CFN's projections are based on the assumption of tOSU beating
Michigan, MSU upsetting PSU, and Iowa beating Minnesota.  Personally, I also
think the Buckeyes will win in Ann Arbor this year, but I think Penn State
will crush the Spartans and Minnesota will pull off a minor upset in Iowa
City.

Sugar: Ohio State vs. LSU
Capitol One: Penn State vs. Auburn
Outback: Michigan vs. Georgia
Alamo: Wisconsin vs. Oklahoma
Sun: Iowa vs. UCLA
Music City: Minnesota vs. Florida
Motor City: Michigan State vs. Miami (OH)
Fort Worth: Northwestern vs. Tulsa
http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2005/Bowls/Bowl_Projections.htm
I am predicting that the Big Ten will get two BCS bids.  Given that the
Gophers have been to each of the Sun Bowl and Music City Bowl twice in the
last six years, I think it is most likely that they either end up in San
Antonio or drop all the way to Detroit.  I agree with those who guess that
the 'Cats will end up 7-4 and headed to El Paso or Nashville.  An
unaffiliated bowl might not be too bad (depending on which one).  A bowl
game is not in this year's budget--although I would have tapped into the
home equity line of credit for Pasadena!--so it doesn't make much of a
difference to me . . . except that I do want my listmates and other NU
friends to have a good time wherever it is.   :)
-Joe

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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Mon Nov 14 02:56:01 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (prplehaze@insightbb.com)
Date: Mon Nov 14 02:56:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats Win
Message-ID: <111420050856.2622.437851210004454D00000A3E21979133630A960E080A049F9D9F@insightbb.com>

The Basketball Cats opened the season with a win in Wyoming, beating Lehigh
61-59 behind Vedran's 25 points, including the go-ahead bucket with 12 seconds
left.  I didn't listen to the game, but according to the accounts I've read,
Lehigh built a  double-digit lead in the second half before the Cats battled back.  

As expected, Vedran lead the Cats in scoring.  From the box score it appears
that Doyle had a good game with 14 points and 6 assists.  Michael Thompson was a
non-factor again, which is not a good sign for the future.

In a surprise to me, Seacat started over Jenkins, although both of them and
Hachad all played about the same number of minutes.  Thompson only played 14
minutes, which may account for his lack of numbers.  I don't know if that was
due to his lack of conditioning in that he may still be recovering from injury
or that he just wasn't playing well.  Scott played 27 minutes, had 8 points but
only 1 rebound.  We need better rebounding out of the post if we are going to
compete in the conference this year.

Tonight we take on Charlotte, which should prove a most difficult test.  Lutz is
an excellent coach and he has a team which should contend for the Atlantic 10
title this year, its first in the league.  Th4 49er's best player is 6'8" senior
forward Curtis Withers, who is a candidate for A-10 player of the year and
should give Doyle or Vedran all he can handle.  A win over Charlotte would be an
enormous boost at the beginning of the season, a marked change from last year.
Go Cats!

Mark

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 08:33:37 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 14 08:35:12 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?
Message-ID: <243.137a6a3.30a9fa41@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/13/2005 11:42:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
thiegs@umn.edu writes:

> Collegefootballnews.com projects us in the Fort Worth Bowl against Tulsa on
> December 23rd.  That's supposed to pit the Conference USA #4 against the Big
> 12 #8, but they predict that there will be no Big 12 team eligible for that
> spot.  CFN's projections are based on the assumption of tOSU beating
> Michigan, MSU upsetting PSU, and Iowa beating Minnesota.  Personally, I also
> think the Buckeyes will win in Ann Arbor this year, but I think Penn State
> will crush the Spartans and Minnesota will pull off a minor upset in Iowa
> City.
> 
> Sugar: Ohio State vs. LSU
> Capitol One: Penn State vs. Auburn
> Outback: Michigan vs. Georgia
> Alamo: Wisconsin vs. Oklahoma
> Sun: Iowa vs. UCLA
> Music City: Minnesota vs. Florida
> Motor City: Michigan State vs. Miami (OH)
> Fort Worth: Northwestern vs. Tulsa
> http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2005/Bowls/Bowl_Projections.htm
> I am predicting that the Big Ten will get two BCS bids.  Given that the
> Gophers have been to each of the Sun Bowl and Music City Bowl twice in the
> last six years, I think it is most likely that they either end up in San
> Antonio or drop all the way to Detroit.  I agree with those who guess that
> the 'Cats will end up 7-4 and headed to El Paso or Nashville.  An
> unaffiliated bowl might not be too bad (depending on which one).  A bowl
> game is not in this year's budget--although I would have tapped into the
> home equity line of credit for Pasadena!--so it doesn't make much of a
> difference to me . . . except that I do want my listmates and other NU
> friends to have a good time wherever it is.   :)
> -Joe
> 
> ___________________________________
> 

Well I still think the smart money is on Nashville-but strange things do 
happen in the selection committees--and to Alan's point, if we really feel that  a 
W is the most important  aspect,(breaking our streak of 4 straight bowl 
losses), then  maybe an at- large bid somewhere else wouldn't be all that bad.  
Hard to see us beating Tenn practically in their backyard or SC (Spurrier will 
pass on us to death) in the Music City Bowl
From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 14 09:21:15 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 14 09:26:35 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?
In-Reply-To: <001101c5e8e3$b13ef2c0$fb326580@jthiegs2003>
Message-ID: <05bb01c5e92f$0e350e60$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

I think the #1 criteria has to be a win.  So I agree that I would prefer a
minor bowl where we are the favorite versus a "major" bowl where we are
dogs.  It's fun to go some place warm in the winter, but it is no fun to
spend a lot of money to see the snot kicked out of your favorite team.
IMHO, winning a bowl game will do as much as destination to improve future
bowl game ticket sales (Rose Bowl always the exception here).

If attendance is a function of convenience, then the most convenient bowls
to our Chicago home base are Motor City and Music City in that order.  I
realize that there isn't much enthusiasm for Detroit as a destination on
this list, but I think those who actually went to the game (rather than just
complaining about he destination) were pleasantly surprised and had a good
time.  Ford Field is one of the best indoor facilities in the country and
Detroit has plenty of things to do for even the most snobbish culture
vulture.  Same thing is true of Nashville.  It is much more than country
music, just like Detroit is much more than bombed-out neighborhoods.

The fact that we are even able to have this discussion at this point in the
season, though, is a lot of fun and makes that debacle in Columbus a little
easier to take.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 1:22 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?

Collegefootballnews.com projects us in the Fort Worth Bowl against Tulsa on
December 23rd.  That's supposed to pit the Conference USA #4 against the Big
12 #8, but they predict that there will be no Big 12 team eligible for that
spot.  CFN's projections are based on the assumption of tOSU beating
Michigan, MSU upsetting PSU, and Iowa beating Minnesota.  Personally, I also
think the Buckeyes will win in Ann Arbor this year, but I think Penn State
will crush the Spartans and Minnesota will pull off a minor upset in Iowa
City.

Sugar: Ohio State vs. LSU
Capitol One: Penn State vs. Auburn
Outback: Michigan vs. Georgia
Alamo: Wisconsin vs. Oklahoma
Sun: Iowa vs. UCLA
Music City: Minnesota vs. Florida
Motor City: Michigan State vs. Miami (OH) Fort Worth: Northwestern vs. Tulsa
http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2005/Bowls/Bowl_Projections.htm
I am predicting that the Big Ten will get two BCS bids.  Given that the
Gophers have been to each of the Sun Bowl and Music City Bowl twice in the
last six years, I think it is most likely that they either end up in San
Antonio or drop all the way to Detroit.  I agree with those who guess that
the 'Cats will end up 7-4 and headed to El Paso or Nashville.  An
unaffiliated bowl might not be too bad (depending on which one).  A bowl
game is not in this year's budget--although I would have tapped into the
home equity line of credit for Pasadena!--so it doesn't make much of a
difference to me . . . except that I do want my listmates and other NU
friends to have a good time wherever it is.   :)
-Joe

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 09:33:49 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 14 09:35:07 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?
Message-ID: <252.f5047d.30aa085d@aol.com>

Who says we would be the "favorite" at either Detroit or Nashville--or even  
Ft. Worth?  We lost a lot of respect as a result of Saturday's  
debacle--witness the poll results that are now out.  In the AP Poll, we  received exactly 1 
vote, while in the Harris Interactive Poll and the USA Today  Poll we were 
completely shut out.  Such luminaries as Iowa (8), Nebraska  (1), Stanford and 
Tulsa (1) received Harris votes, while Boise State (1) and Ga.  Tech (1) 
received USA Today votes.  We basically fell off the radar, and  even a big win over 
the Illini will not change that perception.
 
Paul Levinson
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov 14 09:49:51 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov 14 09:49:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth? (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511141549.jAEFnpAb025292@romaine.tssi.com>

> Tulsa (1) received Harris votes, while Boise State (1) and Ga.  Tech (1) 
> received USA Today votes.  We basically fell off the radar, and  even a big win over 
> the Illini will not change that perception.

Let's see, there are something like 27 bowl games, so 54 schools get
to go.  Are there more than 40 schools who are either ranked by one of 
the three polls or got votes in them?  

That means a lot of schools that are also 'off the radar' are going 
bowling, doesn't it?
--
Mike Nolan


From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 14 10:23:29 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov 14 10:32:10 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?
In-Reply-To: <001101c5e8e3$b13ef2c0$fb326580@jthiegs2003>
References: <001101c5e8e3$b13ef2c0$fb326580@jthiegs2003>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511141006380.1220@localhost>

> Collegefootballnews.com projects us in the Fort Worth Bowl against Tulsa on
> December 23rd.

As actor Scott Glenn said in _The Right Stuff_, "Oh I hope not."

Just about the only good thing about this is that it shouldn't be too hard 
to find a flight to DFW for cheap.

However, as a Texan-American, I believe that even Detroit is a better bowl 
destination than Dallas.

If we do go to Dallas, though, here's what I might do:

1.  Get Sonny Bryan's BBQ
2.  See Dealey Plaza, the Depository, etc...

...and that's about it.  What a hole.  (and yes, I'm exaggerating, but..)

I'm hoping we go to Nashville, which is a great place to be a tourist.

Best,

Jonathan

From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 10:31:28 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 14 10:52:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth? (fwd)
Message-ID: <bb.64d34771.30aa15e0@aol.com>

What I meant was we will go bowling--but if things don't work out this Sat.  
in the Big 10 games, we may end up in the "Cow Town" up the freeway from  
Dallas.  Hope I don't offend anyone.  By the way, is there any chance  that an SEC 
team other than Tenn. or S. Car. will end up in the Music City  Bowl?
 
Paul Levinson
From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 14 10:26:31 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 14 11:03:38 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?
In-Reply-To: <252.f5047d.30aa085d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <05f501c5e938$2c352d10$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

I agree that it was an ugly display of football.  I heard one of the OSU
players interviewed on the radio after the game and even he said he was
disappointed because NU looked a lot better on film.  
 
This sort of game was my worst fear when the season started, with the added
weakness that Michigan exposed in our offense.  If you can get us down
early, our offense becomes much easier to defend because it becomes more
predictable.  Our defense is much improved over where I thought it would be.
When you're not getting much help from the offense or special teams,
however, it's hard for our defense to go out there and get pounded for four
quarters by their running game.
 
As far as bowls, we are in complete agreement.  If we have a choice, we
should go to a bowl where we are favored to win, even if it is in Nome.  If
our realistic choices are Tulsa, Tennessee, or Miami (OH), I pick a win in
Detroit over Miami.  
 
Jeff

  _____  

From: NEONRye@aol.com [mailto:NEONRye@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:34 AM
To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?


Who says we would be the "favorite" at either Detroit or Nashville--or even
Ft. Worth?  We lost a lot of respect as a result of Saturday's
debacle--witness the poll results that are now out.  In the AP Poll, we
received exactly 1 vote, while in the Harris Interactive Poll and the USA
Today Poll we were completely shut out.  Such luminaries as Iowa (8),
Nebraska (1), Stanford and Tulsa (1) received Harris votes, while Boise
State (1) and Ga. Tech (1) received USA Today votes.  We basically fell off
the radar, and even a big win over the Illini will not change that
perception.
 
Paul Levinson
From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 11:48:29 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 14 11:49:38 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU v. ILL.:  ESPN PLUS
Message-ID: <23d.13c4ef5.30aa27ed@aol.com>

Willie:
 
Any chance that ESPN PLUS can be picked up by a NYC outlet this weekend, so  
those of us in the "Apple" can view the game?  Here's the current list of  
clearances, with Philly and Boston (Manchester) getting the game, but not me or  
my fellow alums in the Tri-State area:
 
_http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/110705aaa.html_ 
(http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/110705aaa.html) 
 
Regards,
PAUL
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 14 12:29:23 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 14 12:29:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/14
Message-ID: <000e01c5e949$58226260$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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FOOTBALL

     Wildcats not about to let guard down
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051113colfootnu,1,4125
551.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Trampled NU plans to get well vs. Illinois
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-crep14.html 

     The Daily on the OSU Game
     Defeated by a special team
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/14/4378470e40898 
     + Running attack 'demoralizes' defense
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/14/4378462ab82b1 
     + Ganguli: Scary - but in a good way
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/14/437847140fbdc 
     + Silka NU never even had a chance
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/14/437843dacf590 
     + Special teams' problems stay unsolved (Football) 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/14/437845303e420 

     Joel Howells Named an ESPN The Magazine Academic All-District Selection
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111405aaa.html 

     Next Up the Illinois Fighting Illini
     The catch of the year for Illinois
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051113illini,1,5516614
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Zook sees Brasic bouncing back
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051113colfootillini,1,
6258464.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Illini's Offense Collapses in 37-3 Drubbing
      http://illinois.scout.com/2/466321.html 
     + Brumby's Daily Column: November 14, 2005
      http://illinois.scout.com/2/466360.html 
     + Illini Suffer Another Defeat
      http://illinois.scout.com/2/465766.html 
     + Zook: They better get us now, because it won't be like this for long
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/143sd2.htm 
     + Illini fumble away another win
 
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/2005/11/14/Sports/Illini.Fumble.Away.Another.Win
-1056143.shtml 
     + Penalties doom Illini
 
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/2005/11/14/Sports/Penalties.Doom.Illini-1056186.
shtml 
     + Column: Same old song and dance
 
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/2005/11/14/Sports/Column.Same.Old.Song.And.Dance
-1056109.shtml 
     + Illini say they're sorry after looking like it
      http://www.pjstar.com/stories/111305/ILL_B844LTDP.077.shtml 
     + Purdue steams past struggling Illinois
 
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/illini/story/5BCD5E12A3DD49B
9862570B8001CAE3A?OpenDocument 

     Miscellaneous Football News:
     HailToPurple.com: Bowl page
      http://hailtopurple.com/cde/bowls.html 

Recruiting

     Recruiting: Houston athlete talks about visit
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=466219 
     Nate Williams Shakes up his favorites
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=466203&nid=1633794&fhn=1&refid=4742


BASKETBALL

     Men:
     Wildcats Rally For 61-59 Win Over Mountain Hawks
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/111405aaa.html 
     + Northwestern opens with a win
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051114collbkbnorthwest
erngamer,1,2571343.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + NU opens with victory vs. Lehigh
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cage14.html 
     + Cats win 1st game on last-chance shot
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/14/43784503604c0 
     + Too Close for Comfort NU 61 Lehigh 56
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/466560.html 
     + Cats Rally to Opne with Win
      http://www.wnur.org/sports/ 
     + Wildcats Tip Off Season with Narrow Win
      http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content.asp?ID=19181 

     Pregame Intel: Charlotte 49er's
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/466601.html 
     + Northwestern vs. Charlotte
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cagep14.html 
     + Game will be on WFNZ tonight - Game Time 7PM WT
      http://www.wfnz.com/ 
     + NU Sports Listen
 
http://allaccess.cstv.com/media/school.jsp?sid=2350&gSportId=2&ngSportId=all&ngD
ates=all& 
     + Gametracker
 
javascript:window.open('http://livestats.nusports.collegesports.com/livestats/da
ta/m-baskbl/410272/','GameTrackermbaskbl','toolbar=no,resizeable=no,scrollbars=n
o,width=780,height=540'); void(''); 

     Next up is the BCA Invitational
     Printable Bracket in PDF Format 
 
http://www.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/wyo/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/05BCA
schedule 

     Charlotte 49ers
     Alexander's 22 points Leads 49ers To 82-65 Win Over Eagles In BCA
Invitational
 
http://charlotte49ers.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/111305aaa.html 
     + 49ers' Alexander lights up Coppin St.
 
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/colleges/university_of_north_carol
ina_charlotte/13161083.htm 
     + It's finally his time
 
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/colleges/university_of_north_carol
ina_charlotte/13155448.htm 

     Future Big 10 Opponents:
     Illini rely on defense to pick off Quincy
      http://www.pjstar.com/stories/111005/ILL_B839GE91.077.shtml 
     + If you're short, you want to be like Dee
      http://www.pjstar.com/stories/110905/ILL_B82VV44R.077.shtml 


TENNIS

     Wildcats Bow Out of Big Ten Indoor Singles Championships
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/111405aaa.html 

WRESTLING

     Wildcats Place Eight at Michigan State Open
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/111405aaa.html 

ALUMNI

     PGA: [Links on Player's Name is their live scorecard]
     Luke Donald Will be at the WGC - Algarve World Cup in Portugal starting Nov
17th
      http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/latest.sps?iTourNo=2005078

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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Mon Nov 14 12:31:51 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (prplehaze@insightbb.com)
Date: Mon Nov 14 12:32:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth? (fwd)
Message-ID: <111420051831.6366.4378D817000B6F27000018DE21979267610A960E080A049F9D9F@insightbb.com>

The short answer to Paul's question is No.  The mighty SEC will not have enough
bowl eligible schools to fill its allotment and the Music City is one of the 6
and 7 slots.  The Houston Bowl is 8th and won't be filled by a SEC school, as
there will only be 7 bowl eligible schools now that Vandy inexplicably lost to
Kentucky.
--
Mark Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com


> What I meant was we will go bowling--but if things don't work out this Sat.  
> in the Big 10 games, we may end up in the "Cow Town" up the freeway from  
> Dallas.  Hope I don't offend anyone.  By the way, is there any chance  that an 
> SEC 
> team other than Tenn. or S. Car. will end up in the Music City  Bowl?
>  
> Paul Levinson
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 14 12:38:35 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 14 12:46:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511141006380.1220@localhost>
Message-ID: <000f01c5e94a$a1f66b60$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

You forgot Billy Bob's - a nice place and intimate songfest with 5,000 people...

The Dallas Museum of Art is world class

There's also one of the best Mexican restaurants in the world there too.

Hawk - you've got to get out..

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan 
> Michael Hawkins
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:23 AM
> To: Joe Thiegs
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?
> 
> 
> > Collegefootballnews.com projects us in the Fort Worth Bowl against 
> > Tulsa on December 23rd.
> 
> As actor Scott Glenn said in _The Right Stuff_, "Oh I hope not."
> 
> Just about the only good thing about this is that it 
> shouldn't be too hard 
> to find a flight to DFW for cheap.
> 
> However, as a Texan-American, I believe that even Detroit is 
> a better bowl 
> destination than Dallas.
> 
> If we do go to Dallas, though, here's what I might do:
> 
> 1.  Get Sonny Bryan's BBQ
> 2.  See Dealey Plaza, the Depository, etc...
> 
> ...and that's about it.  What a hole.  (and yes, I'm 
> exaggerating, but..)
> 
> I'm hoping we go to Nashville, which is a great place to be a tourist.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
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From neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com  Mon Nov 14 12:50:25 2005
From: neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com (Kaplan, Neil)
Date: Mon Nov 14 13:45:11 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A ray of hope for our special teams
Message-ID: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB0B743258@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>

http://my.highschooljournalism.org/az/scottsdale/hhs/article.cfm?eid=3950&ai
d=58673

Proving that the net is perhaps the greatest time waster known to mankind -
attached is an article from his high school newspaper touting our newest
kicking recruit.  
Cleaning up this part of our game is the single highest impact area to our
improvement.  
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 14:17:38 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov 14 14:18:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A ray of hope for our special teams
In-Reply-To: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB0B743258@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>
References: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB0B743258@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511141217p29d4a33dke26d59a1ccf67235@mail.gmail.com>

Finally picking up a solid kicker would help our special teams play,
but it wouldn't be the end all solution as we'll still need good
coverage on punts and kickoffs (at least once in a while if we can't
get a touchback).  Also, will this guy punt and kick (Huffman did on
occasion, although we all know his FG woes)?

We need help in both areas, although Howells has been relatively solid
this year (including hitting 5/6 vs. PSU), but we still don't see too
many touchbacks on kickoffs.  I don't think I've seen any high booming
kicks like Michigan and Iowa got off, although our punters have done a
good job with directional punts on occasion - especially when they
were trying to stick the opponent in their own end.

Any small boost will help, though, as our special teams play is what
gave Michigan, Iowa, and OSU a big edge in the past weeks (just look
at the average drive starting position for NU and their opponent in
those games).

Jonathan

On 11/14/05, Kaplan, Neil <neil.kaplan@carsdirect.com> wrote:
> http://my.highschooljournalism.org/az/scottsdale/hhs/article.cfm?eid=3950&ai
> d=58673
>
> Proving that the net is perhaps the greatest time waster known to mankind -
> attached is an article from his high school newspaper touting our newest
> kicking recruit.
> Cleaning up this part of our game is the single highest impact area to our
> improvement.
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 14 14:30:22 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov 14 14:31:47 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?
In-Reply-To: <000f01c5e94a$a1f66b60$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <000f01c5e94a$a1f66b60$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511141426430.1966@localhost>

> Hawk - you've got to get out..

To tell the truth, I haven't been there since I was about 14 - I started 
enjoying hating the place and haven't been back.  There are better cities 
in Texas, is all I'm saying. ;-)

From lvaccher at comcast.net  Mon Nov 14 14:30:58 2005
From: lvaccher at comcast.net (Louie Vaccher)
Date: Mon Nov 14 14:47:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A ray of hope for our special teams
References: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB0B743258@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>
Message-ID: <006401c5e95a$52624eb0$c0d7b043@Louie>

Demos is the real deal. I talked to him quite a few times over the last few 
months in writing updates on his senior season, and he's got a big-time leg. 
He's also a great kid with a good head on his shoulders.

For the year, Demos hit 12-of-14 field goals (85.7 percent) and 33-of-34 
extra points, and he finished with 69 points for the Huskies. His long for 
the year was a 51-yarder on October 21. (Horizon began the playoffs last 
weekend.) He also routinely drilled kickoffs for touchbacks (won't that be a 
refreshing change?), and he's a heck of a punter, as well.

Here's a freebie link from last week's WildcatReport.com story on the senior 
seasons of NU's six incoming commitments:

http://northwestern.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=477130


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kaplan, Neil" <neil.kaplan@carsdirect.com>
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:50 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] A ray of hope for our special teams


> http://my.highschooljournalism.org/az/scottsdale/hhs/article.cfm?eid=3950&ai
> d=58673
>
> Proving that the net is perhaps the greatest time waster known to 
> mankind -
> attached is an article from his high school newspaper touting our newest
> kicking recruit.
> Cleaning up this part of our game is the single highest impact area to our
> improvement.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports 

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 15:26:11 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov 14 15:27:15 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?
In-Reply-To: <001101c5e8e3$b13ef2c0$fb326580@jthiegs2003>
References: <001101c5e8e3$b13ef2c0$fb326580@jthiegs2003>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511141326i7292806fx79988337f0be582a@mail.gmail.com>

While collegefootballnews is predicting an MSU over PSU upset and us
falling off of the Big Ten bowl radar, almost every other news outlet
is predicting us in the Music City Bowl (CNN: Mandel, USA Today, CBS
SportsLine), which is still very likely.  They were going to invite us
last year if we had won our final game and become eligible (which
would have been over Minnesota, who ended up going).

Of course we will have to wait until after this week's games to see
how everything pans out (NU's game, PSU @ MSU, and Minn @ Iowa), but
we're basically in the hunt for the Motor City, Music City, or Sun
bowls with Minnesota and Iowa.  (And there is OSU's chance go make it
2 Big Ten teams in BCS games, and that may make the wait even longer).
 Right now we all have the same overall record, which won't play a
factor since the bowls can pick among any teams within a loss of each
other.

The way I see it: if Iowa beats Minnesota, they will almost definitely
take the top spot available (Sun Bowl, or Alamo if OSU gets the BCS
bid) as they have the best traveling fans.  NU and Minnesota would
presumably be left, and I would think the Music City Bowl would prefer
NU again (as they would have last year) due to attendance.  Looking at
past attendance figures, last year's game was a sellout at 66,000+
(most likely due to Alabama's presence), but 2 years prior when
Minnesota faced Arkansas attendance was around 39,000.  Also,
Minnesota has been 2 of the past 3 years, and another trip probably
would not bring as many fans.  This bodes favorably to us, as we will
most likely get the nod over them.  If OSU does lock up a second BCS
bid, then the Sun Bowl may very well have a similar predicament as
Minnesota went back in 2003 as well.  Hopefully this means NU gets
picked over Minnesota - which hopefully means no trips to Detroit and
no getting stuck waiting for an at large bid.

Of course, a few things could throw a wrench into things: MSU beating
PSU being the worst.  If Minnesota wins and we lose, that would also
give the bowls a chance to knock us down a slot.  If Minnesota wins
and we win as well, would we be picked over an Iowa team with one more
loss than us that we also beat?  Would Minnesota be picked over us as
they would have the same overall record but one more conference loss? 
That's a lot of what ifs, but I'm glad we're debating this instead of
trying to pick up that 6th win this week.

Jonathan



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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 15:25:29 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 14 15:29:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] DA (II) Bears
Message-ID: <22b.13f82ef.30aa5ac9@aol.com>

Would be fun to see him in the backfield
_http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-051113bearsside1,1,673
2078.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed_ 
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-051113bearsside1,1,6732078.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed) 
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 17:30:15 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov 14 17:31:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fort Worth?
In-Reply-To: <05bb01c5e92f$0e350e60$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <20051114233016.70380.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com>

> I think the #1 criteria has to be a win.  So I agree
> that I would prefer a

With ya there - I'd LOVE to see a Cats win to cap a
season for the holidays!:) 

> realize that there isn't much enthusiasm for Detroit
> as a destination on
> this list, but I think those who actually went to
> the game (rather than just
> complaining about he destination) were pleasantly
> surprised and had a good
> time.  Ford Field is one of the best indoor
> facilities in the country and

Agreed there - I was pleasantly surprised by the Motor
City Bowl. Very easy to drive to the stadium, find
parking and walk around by the new stadiums downtown
(and the casino). And Ford Field is **THE** best
indoor stadium in the country, IMO. It doesn't feel
like a dome -- more like a very large mall.:)

Still, I don't think we want to go back to Detroit so
soon.

I'd also chime in for the defense of San Antonio from
Alan's e-mail. Yes, I realize our memories there
aren't happy (so create new ones - anything's better
than 66-17) ... but as far as the bowl, I'd put the
Alamo at the tops of my non-BCS list. I'd much rather
be in San Antonio than mid-Florida -- less humidity,
more culture, mountains, the Riverwalk, easier to get
around, etc. I though the Alamo Bowl was first-class
all the way. As Bob knows, I'm not much for Texas, but
I'd visit San Antonio again any year for a
bowl(Houston, OTOH, I've had my fill of for a
lifetime:) ).

It's not Pasadena, but then again, nothing else is the
Granddaddy! And not all bowls can have the weather of
San Diego or Phoenix this time of year (so kudos for
the Big Ten dropping the Sun and adding Phoenix next
year - now maybe we need to lock in the Poinsettia ...
or steal a spot in the Holiday ... so San Diego
replaces Nashville next year).

> vulture.  Same thing is true of Nashville.  It is
> much more than country

I hear it's the Athens of the South.:) Naw, I have
relatives who live in Nashville and it's a very nice
place. I think it'd be a great bowl destination -
especially now that it's not summer and not as humid.

> The fact that we are even able to have this
> discussion at this point in the
> season, though, is a lot of fun and makes that
> debacle in Columbus a little
> easier to take.
> 
Amen to that! Now let's roll into a bowl by beating
the Illini!!!

GO CATS!!! KEEP SWEET SIOUX!!!
-SjT

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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 14 20:01:28 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 14 20:06:51 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A ray of hope for our special teams
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270511141217p29d4a33dke26d59a1ccf67235@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <078701c5e988$7e4125f0$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

 
Special teams certainly put us in a hole, but not being able to run or stop
the run is what cost us the games.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:18 PM
To: Kaplan, Neil
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] A ray of hope for our special teams

Finally picking up a solid kicker would help our special teams play, but it
wouldn't be the end all solution as we'll still need good coverage on punts
and kickoffs (at least once in a while if we can't get a touchback).  Also,
will this guy punt and kick (Huffman did on occasion, although we all know
his FG woes)?

We need help in both areas, although Howells has been relatively solid this
year (including hitting 5/6 vs. PSU), but we still don't see too many
touchbacks on kickoffs.  I don't think I've seen any high booming kicks like
Michigan and Iowa got off, although our punters have done a good job with
directional punts on occasion - especially when they were trying to stick
the opponent in their own end.

Any small boost will help, though, as our special teams play is what gave
Michigan, Iowa, and OSU a big edge in the past weeks (just look at the
average drive starting position for NU and their opponent in those games).

Jonathan

On 11/14/05, Kaplan, Neil <neil.kaplan@carsdirect.com> wrote:
> http://my.highschooljournalism.org/az/scottsdale/hhs/article.cfm?eid=3
> 950&ai
> d=58673
>
> Proving that the net is perhaps the greatest time waster known to 
> mankind - attached is an article from his high school newspaper 
> touting our newest kicking recruit.
> Cleaning up this part of our game is the single highest impact area to 
> our improvement.
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From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 20:49:10 2005
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 14 20:50:35 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] 2-0 Wildcats
Message-ID: <21b.2c2b915.30aaa6a6@aol.com>

I thought that UNC Charlotte would give the cats a good early test. And  they 
seem to be passing with flying colors. Early season wins will help give us  a 
NIT or NCAA birth later on.
Vukisic lighting it up again. Can't seem to get anything from M.  
Thompson...........
 
But I will take a 2-0 start
 
53-40 with under 4 minutes to go
 
Go CATS
From johnl at mac.com  Mon Nov 14 21:12:07 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Mon Nov 14 21:12:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] 2-0 Wildcats
In-Reply-To: <21b.2c2b915.30aaa6a6@aol.com>
References: <21b.2c2b915.30aaa6a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <431014.1132024327875.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>

Is there any radio or TV for these BCA tournament games?  It seems the answer is no.


 
On Monday, November 14, 2005, at 09:52PM, <HUDHAIFA3@aol.com> wrote:

>I thought that UNC Charlotte would give the cats a good early test. And  they 
>seem to be passing with flying colors. Early season wins will help give us  a 
>NIT or NCAA birth later on.
>Vukisic lighting it up again. Can't seem to get anything from M.  
>Thompson...........
> 
>But I will take a 2-0 start
> 
>53-40 with under 4 minutes to go
> 
>Go CATS
>_______________________________________________
>nwu-sports site list
>nwu-sports@tssi.com
>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 14 21:20:41 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 14 21:21:03 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Radio/TV
In-Reply-To: <431014.1132024327875.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001701c5e993$8f0cc410$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

If I find any links, they'll be in the daily NU Sports News Digest which you all
get [eventually]

The game tonight was on one of the Charlotte stations. And WNUR thru NU Sports.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
Computer Applications & Support Associates
and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
Every time I think I've got this Computer 
Biz handled 
            -- There's another upgrade.
============================================

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of John Labbe
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:12 PM
> To: HUDHAIFA3@aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2-0 Wildcats
> 
> 
> Is there any radio or TV for these BCA tournament games?  It 
> seems the answer is no.
> 
> 
>  
> On Monday, November 14, 2005, at 09:52PM, <HUDHAIFA3@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> >I thought that UNC Charlotte would give the cats a good 
> early test. And  
> >they
> >seem to be passing with flying colors. Early season wins 
> will help give us  a 
> >NIT or NCAA birth later on.
> >Vukisic lighting it up again. Can't seem to get anything from M.  
> >Thompson...........
> > 
> >But I will take a 2-0 start
> > 
> >53-40 with under 4 minutes to go
> > 
> >Go CATS
> >_______________________________________________
> >nwu-sports site list
> >nwu-sports@tssi.com 
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> >
> 
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> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 

From khaderach at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 14 21:49:10 2005
From: khaderach at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Bowser)
Date: Mon Nov 14 21:56:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Radio/TV
In-Reply-To: <001701c5e993$8f0cc410$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <20051115034910.16925.qmail@web80804.mail.yahoo.com>

The WNUR Server didn't have enough capacity to handle
all the connections. I tried to listen to the game
through the web the last two nights and couldn't get a
connection. 

- Bryan Bowser

--- Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> If I find any links, they'll be in the daily NU
> Sports News Digest which you all
> get [eventually]
> 
> The game tonight was on one of the Charlotte
> stations. And WNUR thru NU Sports.
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
> The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
> (http://www.purplewildcats.com)
> AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
> ======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
> Every time I think I've got this Computer 
> Biz handled 
>             -- There's another upgrade.
> ============================================
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> > [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
> John Labbe
> > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:12 PM
> > To: HUDHAIFA3@aol.com
> > Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2-0 Wildcats
> > 
> > 
> > Is there any radio or TV for these BCA tournament
> games?  It 
> > seems the answer is no.
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > On Monday, November 14, 2005, at 09:52PM,
> <HUDHAIFA3@aol.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >I thought that UNC Charlotte would give the cats
> a good 
> > early test. And  
> > >they
> > >seem to be passing with flying colors. Early
> season wins 
> > will help give us  a 
> > >NIT or NCAA birth later on.
> > >Vukisic lighting it up again. Can't seem to get
> anything from M.  
> > >Thompson...........
> > > 
> > >But I will take a 2-0 start
> > > 
> > >53-40 with under 4 minutes to go
> > > 
> > >Go CATS
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >nwu-sports site list
> > >nwu-sports@tssi.com 
> >
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> > >
> > >
> > 
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> > nwu-sports@tssi.com 
> >
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> > 
> 
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 14 22:08:08 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Mon Nov 14 22:08:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] 2-0 Wildcats
References: <21b.2c2b915.30aaa6a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43795F28.8050503@earthlink.net>

Final score NU 61-47.  Yes, that is impressive.  Now, I figure we'll 
play either UNC Wilmington or the home team, Wyoming, in the tournament 
final.  That could be tough.  But two wins to start the season is great. 
 Forget the NIT.  We want the NCAA -- 67 years of waiting is enough!

HUDHAIFA3@aol.com wrote:

>I thought that UNC Charlotte would give the cats a good early test. And  they 
>seem to be passing with flying colors. Early season wins will help give us  a 
>NIT or NCAA birth later on.
>Vukisic lighting it up again. Can't seem to get anything from M.  
>Thompson...........
> 
>But I will take a 2-0 start
> 
>53-40 with under 4 minutes to go
> 
>Go CATS
>_______________________________________________
>nwu-sports site list
>nwu-sports@tssi.com
>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>  
>



From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 23:19:10 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov 14 23:20:38 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 12
Message-ID: <20051115051910.44034.qmail@web52911.mail.yahoo.com>

Hopefully standings will be out this week - but first
here's the week 12 lineup. The Big Ten season draws to
a close with a couple big games in the Great Lake
State ... meanwhile, there are some other biggies in
the ACC, SEC, Pac 10 and Big XII that will have some
bowl implications and a couple interesting non
conference games involving the coastal USCs.

All picks due by kickoff Saturday.

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 12
#######################
Name: 

Big Ten
-------
GAME  1: Minnesota @ Iowa           WINNER: 
GAME  2: Ohio State @ Michigan      WINNER: 
GAME  3: Penn State @ Michigan St.  WINNER: 
GAME  4: Purdue @ Indiana           WINNER: 

National
--------
GAME  5: Alabama @ Auburn           WINNER: 
GAME  6: Clemson @ South Carolina   WINNER: 
GAME  7: Virginia Tech @ Virginia   WINNER: 
GAME  8: Oklahoma @ Texas Tech      WINNER: 
GAME  9: Fresno St. @ Southern Cal  WINNER: 
GAME 10: California @ Stanford      WINNER: 

MY PICKS
========
Off the board first ...

* NORTHWESTERN 45, Illinois 28- Not much defense here
and the Illini hang with their rivals for a half, but
are run down in the second as Sutton and Baz have big
days and the Cats head to their bowl (Nashville?!) on
a high note.

And the rest of the slate ...

* IOWA 17, Minnesota 14- Tough call - if Minny won the
Brown Jug and lost the Axe do they still want the Pig?
I'll go with the resurgent Hawks at home as they
prepare for the ultimate Corn Bowl against Nebraska in
San Antonio.

* OHIO STATE 26, Michigan 20 - Ugh - two teams that
are FINALLY playing up to their potential. If they had
played this way in SEPTEMBER, we wouldn't have to
worry about the F'ing Irish in the BCS or Texas
ruining the Rose Bowl. But alas, it's always a good
game and Tressel has Lloyd's number. The Bucks win in
Ann Arbor and make a solid case for Tempe.

* PENN STATE 38, Michigan State 17 - MSU can be tricky
at home and the folks in the Motor City Bowl (and
Columbus) are praying for an upset -- but with two
weeks to prepare and a defense that knows how to stuff
the spread, Penn State rolls here and packs their bags
for Miami.

* INDIANA 19, Purdue 16 - A meaningless Bucket game,
with the winner juuuust missing out on a bowl. I like
Indiana's toughness under Hoeppner and Big Red builds
for next season with a win.

* AUBURN 16, Alabama 6 - The Tide are beaten up and
still stunned from the miracle season going down the
drain -- War Eagle is getting the ground game going
again and wins the Iron Bowl at home.

* SOUTH CAROLINA 27, Clemson 20 - The Ole Ball Coach
has 'em excited down in Columbus and ends the year by
beating a Bowden and possibly heading to Tampa for the
New Year.

* VIRGINIA 24, Virginia Tech 14 - The Cavs have been
maddeningly inconsistent this year and I smell an
upset here to dash any remaining BCS hopes for the
Hokies.

* OKLAHOMA 35, Texas Tech 13 - The Raiders were
exposed last week and will be smacked around again by
the Sooners.

* USC 38, Fresno State 16 - If any team can match the
toughness of the Trojans, it's the Bulldogs.
Unfortunately for Pat Hill, they can't match USC's
talent.

* STANFORD 26, California 21 - Good game for the axe
with both teams fighting for bowl position. The
Cardinal catch the Bears moping after SC and hold on
for the win.

GO CATS!!! KEEP SWEET SIOUX!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From warneradams at comcast.net  Mon Nov 14 23:54:03 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Mon Nov 14 23:55:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats Win
In-Reply-To: <111420050856.2622.437851210004454D00000A3E21979133630A960E080A049F9D9F@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <200511150554.jAF5subl002250@gw.tssi.com>

The real concern with the lack of rebounding is that Lehigh lost of all of
their top line front men last year.  We should have produced a bigger
advantage down low.  Assistant Coach Paul Lee lives across the street from
me and I'm looking forward to gaining some insight this year.

By the way, NU basketball is popular enough now that the entire bottom bowl
is sold out with season ticket holders and team and conference tickets.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of prplehaze@insightbb.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:56 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats Win

The Basketball Cats opened the season with a win in Wyoming, beating Lehigh
61-59 behind Vedran's 25 points, including the go-ahead bucket with 12
seconds
left.  I didn't listen to the game, but according to the accounts I've read,
Lehigh built a  double-digit lead in the second half before the Cats battled
back.  

As expected, Vedran lead the Cats in scoring.  From the box score it appears
that Doyle had a good game with 14 points and 6 assists.  Michael Thompson
was a
non-factor again, which is not a good sign for the future.

In a surprise to me, Seacat started over Jenkins, although both of them and
Hachad all played about the same number of minutes.  Thompson only played 14
minutes, which may account for his lack of numbers.  I don't know if that
was
due to his lack of conditioning in that he may still be recovering from
injury
or that he just wasn't playing well.  Scott played 27 minutes, had 8 points
but
only 1 rebound.  We need better rebounding out of the post if we are going
to
compete in the conference this year.

Tonight we take on Charlotte, which should prove a most difficult test.
Lutz is
an excellent coach and he has a team which should contend for the Atlantic
10
title this year, its first in the league.  Th4 49er's best player is 6'8"
senior
forward Curtis Withers, who is a candidate for A-10 player of the year and
should give Doyle or Vedran all he can handle.  A win over Charlotte would
be an
enormous boost at the beginning of the season, a marked change from last
year.
Go Cats!

Mark

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From randy at 1702.org  Tue Nov 15 12:57:53 2005
From: randy at 1702.org (Randy Wilson)
Date: Tue Nov 15 13:01:05 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Radio/TV
In-Reply-To: <20051115034910.16925.qmail@web80804.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051115034910.16925.qmail@web80804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <437A2FB1.1000404@1702.org>

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If you are in Chicago, it's on WNUR, 89.3 FM. AND, if you ARE in
Chicago, use one of those ol' lo-tech radios instead of taking the
valuable server spots. Tonight's champioship game is at 9PM Central.
- -Randy

Bryan Bowser wrote:
> The WNUR Server didn't have enough capacity to handle
> all the connections. I tried to listen to the game
> through the web the last two nights and couldn't get a
> connection. 
> 
> - Bryan Bowser
> 
> --- Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>If I find any links, they'll be in the daily NU
>>Sports News Digest which you all
>>get [eventually]
>>
>>The game tonight was on one of the Charlotte
>>stations. And WNUR thru NU Sports.
>>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
>>Computer Applications & Support Associates
>>and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
>>The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
>>(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
>>AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
>>======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
>>Every time I think I've got this Computer 
>>Biz handled 
>>            -- There's another upgrade.
>>============================================
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
>>>[mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
>>
>>John Labbe
>>
>>>Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:12 PM
>>>To: HUDHAIFA3@aol.com
>>>Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>>>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2-0 Wildcats
>>>
>>>
>>>Is there any radio or TV for these BCA tournament
>>
>>games?  It 
>>
>>>seems the answer is no.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>On Monday, November 14, 2005, at 09:52PM,
>>
>><HUDHAIFA3@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>I thought that UNC Charlotte would give the cats
>>
>>a good 
>>
>>>early test. And  
>>>
>>>>they
>>>>seem to be passing with flying colors. Early
>>
>>season wins 
>>
>>>will help give us  a 
>>>
>>>>NIT or NCAA birth later on.
>>>>Vukisic lighting it up again. Can't seem to get
>>
>>anything from M.  
>>
>>>>Thompson...........
>>>>
>>>>But I will take a 2-0 start
>>>>
>>>>53-40 with under 4 minutes to go
>>>>
>>>>Go CATS
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>nwu-sports site list
>>>>nwu-sports@tssi.com 
>>>
>>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
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> 
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 13:00:45 2005
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Nov 15 13:01:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Nashville Hotels
In-Reply-To: <001101c5e8e3$b13ef2c0$fb326580@jthiegs2003>
Message-ID: <20051115190046.16659.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I realize that the jury is still out, but all reasonable assumptions point to
Nashville for our bowl game. I assume some of you would prefer to reserve a
hotel this week before the bids go out (especially if our opponent is the
Tennessee Volunteers). 

Lee Stevens, please share this with the NUMBalums list if you think it will be
helpful. 

Victory & Honor,
Jim

====================================================

In Nashville, you basically have two hotel areas. There is downtown (walkable
to the live country music venues and the stadium for the game)and the
Vanderbilt/West End area. Staying near Vanderbilt puts you about 2 miles from
downtown, but walking distance to many good dining options and "Demonbruen Row"
which has some non-country music nightlife. 

It is my understanding that a cab from the airport (BNA) to downtown is
approximately $25+tip. Given that, and the fact that some other sights (like
the Opryland Hotel) are spread out, I'd recommend a rental car, but if you
absolutely don't want one, stay downtown and cabs, buses & feet will do the
trick.  

My house is located in East Nashville. Staying by Vanderbilt is about 4.5 miles
away and downtown is about 2.25 miles away. I'll be having a tailgate on
gameday. RSVPs will be required, details to come (assuming the Music City Bowl
bid does :-) 

Nashville is a very safe town and you'll be fine walking around downtown
tourist areas at night. You'll probably have a homeless guy or two ask you for
change, but you've seen worse in Chicago. 

If you're flying, Southwest is the easiest airline. They have multiple flights
from Midway every day. 

DISClAIMER: With the exception of the Marriott Vanderbilt, I've never stayed in
any of these hotels. The ones I noted as preferable aren't full service / full
price and are in convenient locations. If you have more specific questions,
please email me directly. 

None are listed in any significant order. 

PREFERRABLE LOCATIONS: based on what's close by
Courtyard by Marriott Nashville Downtown - DOWNTOWN
170 4th Ave N
615-256-0900  

Holiday Inn Express Hotels Nashville-Downtown - DOWNTOWN
920 Broadway
(877) 531-5084   

Best Western Music Row ? Near VANDERBILT
1407 Division St
615- 242-1631  

Embassy Suites Hotel Nashville at Vanderbilt ? Near VANDERBILT
1811 Broadway
615 320-8899  

Days Inn Nashville Vanderbilt ? Near VANDERBILT
This just changed names (to Hotel Select maybe?), but I think it?s still
operated by Days Inn. 
1800 W End Ave
615 327-0922  

Hampton Inn & Suites Nashville-At The University ? Near VANDERBILT
2330 Elliston Place
615-320-6060  

Hampton Inn Nashville/Vanderbilt ? Near VANDERBILT
This is barely .5 mile from the other Hampton Inn, but there are two of them
1919 W End Ave
615 329-1144  

Courtyard By Marriott ? Near VANDERBILT
1901 W End Ave
(615) 327-9900   

OPRYLAND - THE hotel in Nashville
The Gaylord Hotel (owned by the bowl?s sponsoring company) is a landmark in
Nashville. It would be a GREAT place to stay if you have kids. They have
glass-enclosed atriums with amazing gardens. There are shops and places to eat
within the building, and it is a 5-10 minute walk to the Opry Mills Mall which
has a large number of stores and a multi-plex movie theatre. The only drawback
is that it is a good 8 miles from downtown. Remember, in Nashville 8 miles
means 15 minutes or less (not like Chicago where it would take 1 hour), but it
would be expensive to cab it back and forth so you?d need a car. 

GREAT but PRICY
The Hermitage Hotel - DOWNTOWN
231 6th Ave N
615-244-3121  

Union Station - A Wyndham Historic Hotel - DOWNTOWN
1001 Broadway Ave.
615-726-1001  

Hilton Nashville Downtown - DOWNTOWN
121 4th Ave. South
615 620-1000  

Renaissance Nashville - DOWNTOWN
611 Commerce St
615-255-8400  

Sheraton Nashville Downtown - DOWNTOWN
623 Union St
1-615-259-2000  

Loews Vanderbilt Plaza Hotel ? Near VANDERBILT
2100 W End Ave
615-320-1700  

Marriott Vanderbilt Hotel ? Near VANDERBILT
2555 W End Ave

BEST TO AVOID: - based on external appears and nothing other than the statdium
within walking distance

Ramada Limited The Stadium Downtown ? Near the STADIUM
303 Interstate Dr
1-615-2446690  

Days Inn At The Stadium Downtown ? Near the STADIUM
211 N 1st St
615-254-1551  



	
		
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From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 13:40:57 2005
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Tue Nov 15 13:42:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Radio/TV
In-Reply-To: <437A2FB1.1000404@1702.org>
Message-ID: <20051115194057.24060.qmail@web60718.mail.yahoo.com>

As of a couple of years ago when I was there, the RealAudio server license could hold 25 listeners at a time -- total, across all the different streams (including several different music streams).  We tried to upgrade the license, but I think it cost too much.  Not sure if that's still the situation now.
  
Randy Wilson <randy@1702.org> wrote:
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Hash: SHA1

If you are in Chicago, it's on WNUR, 89.3 FM. AND, if you ARE in
Chicago, use one of those ol' lo-tech radios instead of taking the
valuable server spots. Tonight's champioship game is at 9PM Central.
- -Randy

Bryan Bowser wrote:
> The WNUR Server didn't have enough capacity to handle
> all the connections. I tried to listen to the game
> through the web the last two nights and couldn't get a
> connection. 
> 
> - Bryan Bowser
> 
> --- Roy Lamberton wrote:
> 
> 
>>If I find any links, they'll be in the daily NU
>>Sports News Digest which you all
>>get [eventually]
>>
>>The game tonight was on one of the Charlotte
>>stations. And WNUR thru NU Sports.
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
>>>[mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
>>
>>John Labbe
>>
>>>Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:12 PM
>>>To: HUDHAIFA3@aol.com
>>>Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>>>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2-0 Wildcats
>>>
>>>
>>>Is there any radio or TV for these BCA tournament
>>
>>games? It 
>>
>>>seems the answer is no.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>On Monday, November 14, 2005, at 09:52PM,
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>I thought that UNC Charlotte would give the cats
>>
>>a good 
>>
>>>early test. And 
>>>
>>>>they
>>>>seem to be passing with flying colors. Early
>>
>>season wins 
>>
>>>will help give us a 
>>>
>>>>NIT or NCAA birth later on.
>>>>Vukisic lighting it up again. Can't seem to get
>>
>>anything from M. 
>>
>>>>Thompson...........
>>>>
>>>>But I will take a 2-0 start
>>>>
>>>>53-40 with under 4 minutes to go
>>>>
>>>>Go CATS
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From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 15 15:33:18 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/15
Message-ID: <002801c5ea2c$29204b10$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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& the NU Sports List

Tuesday Edition

 Leading off with 2-0 Basketball, Football ready for Big 10 finale and the
Tomahawk Game, Recruiting, Cross Country Finale, and Volleyball 

All the News that Fits We Link
                                                                      Your Index
to News about
                                                                    Northwestern
University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men:

     Northwestern Punches Ticket to BCA Championship Game With 61-47 Win Over
Charlotte
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/111405aal.html 
     + Cats Win - Final Tonight with UNCW
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/466976.html 
     + Vukusic, NU reach tournament final
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cage15.html 
     + Senior earns 2nd 20-point game as Cats move into championship
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/15/43798911de201 
     + V2 does it All for 'Cats, NU wins Again
      http://www.wnur.org/sports/ 
     + Northwestern looks to add fast start to solid finish
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/152sd1.htm 
     + Vukusic Leads Northwestern to 2-0 Start
      http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content.asp?ID=19258 

     Right now it appears WNUR will have the game on live CLICK HERE TO LISTEN!
      http://www.wnur.org/live.ram 
     CLICK HERE for Internet-
      http://www.wnur.org/live5.ram 

     Big 10 Men's Basketball Weekly Release - Nov. 14
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111405aab.html 

     The BCA Invitational
     Full Bracket with times and results
 
http://wyomingathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/05-bca-invita
tional.html 

     Next is UNC-W
     Seahawks Shock cowboys, Move to Title Game
      http://appserv02.uncw.edu/athletics/ 
     + UNCW reaches BCA Invitational championship
 
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051115/NEWS/51115006/
1005/FRONTPAGE 
     From the Charlotte 49ers
     Charlotte Falls to Northwestern, 61-47
 
http://charlotte49ers.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/111405aaa.html 
     + Charlotte upset by Northwestern
      http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/colleges/13169514.htm 

FOOTBALL

     Northwestern, Illinois Close Regular Season With Sweet Sioux On The Line
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111405aad.html 
     + Miami of Ohio ties bind Walker, Zook
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051115024
0nov15,1,2518035.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + NU's Walker looks for something special
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu15.html 
     + Records irrelevant for rivals
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/15/437989046aa4b 
     + Cole looks forward to Illinois
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=121152 
     + Monday 2 Deep - Illinois
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/467106.html 
     + HailToPurple - photos from the Iowa pre and post-game festivities.
      http://hailtopurple.com/av/photos2005.html 
     + The Bowl Page
      http://hailtopurple.com/cde/bowls.html 
     + Hodges: Battle for the Sweet Sioux
      http://jhodges.org/archives/2005/11/15/79/ 

     Next Up the Sweet Sioux Tomahawk game -
      Illinois Fighting Illini
     Game 11: Northwestern at Illinois
 
http://fightingillini.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111405aac.html 
     + Complete release in PDF format
 
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ill/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/ILL-NW-
notes.pdf 
     + Brumby's Daily Column: November 15, 2005
      http://illinois.scout.com/2/466854.html 

     The student paper doesn't even cover the team now
     + Other Campuses: NU offense can't stand up to Ohio State
 
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/2005/11/15/Sports/Other.Campuses.Nu.Offense.Cant
.Stand.Up.To.Ohio.State-1057370.shtml 
     + Zook is tired of costly mistakes
 
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/illini/story/F79493AFB30B1A0
7862570AB001E4F71?OpenDocument 
     + Brasic makes gains with his feet as well as his arm
 
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/illini/story/263EDCB8D38F141
2862570AA0017A6F9?OpenDocument 
     + PU, another stinker from Illini
      http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2005/11/15/sports/illini/1011258.txt

     + Ick! That was ugly
      http://www.herald-review.com/blogs/marktupper/?p=144 

     Miscellaneous Football News: 
     Big Ten Weekly Football Release - Nov. 14
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111405aae.html 
     Title hopes for both teams resting on outcome
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=85 
     BCS standings analysis
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5000350?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=24 
     + Stewart Mandel's Bowl Projections 
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/11/14/bowl
.projections/index.html?section=si_ncaaf 

Recruiting

     Midwest Recruit Rankings - The Quarterbacks 
     http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=466648 

     Stefan Demos - Kicker/punter Demos boots 60-yard punts, 47-yard field goals
 
http://my.highschooljournalism.org/az/scottsdale/hhs/article.cfm?eid=3950&aid=58
673 

CROSS COUNTRY

     Squad wraps up season with 16th-place regional finish
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/15/43798b1e5601b 

VOLLEYBALL

     D?j? Vu: Christie Gardner is Big Ten Defensive Player of the Week
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/111405aac.html 
     + Northwestern's Gardner and Penn State's Fawcett Earn POW Honors
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/111405aaa.html 

     NU resurrects NCAA hopes with 2 sweeps 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/15/43798c0c1de07 

MISCELLANY

     Northwestern Names Hilton Garden Inn Athletes of the Week
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/genrel/111405aab.html 
     Kansas State football coach Bill Snyder expected to retire 
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=86 

ALUMNI

     PGA: [Links on Player's Name is their live scorecard] 
     Luke Donald at the WGC ? Algarve World Cup in Portugal
      http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/latest.sps?iTourNo=2005078 
     + Donald and Howell lead England's Defence at Vilamoura
 
http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/fullreport.sps?id=1146313&iTourNo=200507
8 
     + TV SCHEDULE
 
http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/tvschedule.sps?iTourNo=2005078&id=200507
8 
     + EVENT SCHEDULE
 
http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/fullreport.sps?iTourNo=2005078&id=114632
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Mon Nov 14 12:26:53 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Wed Nov 16 00:13:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU v. ILL.:  ESPN PLUS
In-Reply-To: <23d.13c4ef5.30aa27ed@aol.com>
References: <23d.13c4ef5.30aa27ed@aol.com>
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ESPN Plus will carry the game which probably means that one has  to have 
Dish's football package or go to a bar to see the game.  Anyone near 
Landenberg, PA or in Delaware is welcome to come to my house and watch 
it.  Call me at 610-274-0295 if you want to come over and see it.

John DeGroat

NEONRye@aol.com wrote:

>Willie:
> 
>Any chance that ESPN PLUS can be picked up by a NYC outlet this weekend, so  
>those of us in the "Apple" can view the game?  Here's the current list of  
>clearances, with Philly and Boston (Manchester) getting the game, but not me or  
>my fellow alums in the Tri-State area:
> 
>_http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/110705aaa.html_ 
>(http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/110705aaa.html) 
> 
>Regards,
>PAUL
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Mon Nov 14 20:58:01 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Wed Nov 16 00:13:41 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <43794EB9.3080802@bellatlantic.net>

The Ohio State fiasco highlighted all of Randy Walker's many short 
comings including no defense and no kicking game.  As the game 
announcers over the past several seasons plus have said, NU has an 
offense, some linebackers and that is it.  NU's defense has been ranked 
in the bottom 100 ever since Walker showed up.  Add to that his failure 
as a recruiter.  Rivals.com's ranking of the recruiting classes for the 
past several years puts them at the near bottom of the Big Ten and in 
the 70 plus ranking nationally.  Add to that the number of players who 
have left or quit the program with eligibility left and it says a lot 
about Walker.  I attended the 2003 Miami of Ohio game and happened to be 
sitting next to the father of a current and past Miami player who told 
me that the Miami players didn't like Walker and were glad to be rid of him.

  

Not only has Walker never developed punters or kickers, he uses them in 
truly bizarre ways.  Squib kicking with no defense assuring good field 
positions for the other team makes no sense, neither does punting when 
NU is behind and in a short yardage situation near the end of a game.  
Walker has said that he doesn't know much about the kicking game and 
seems determined to prove it. 

If Walker is retained as the coach, NU will be relegated to mediocrity 
for as long as he is there.  Mark Murphy told the NY Alumni organization 
shortly after he arrived that his criteria for a successful football 
program would be NU in ranked bowl games on a regular basis, i.e. 
something better than the Motor City Bowl.

If we get stuck with Walker for the foreseeable future, then Murphy has 
to force Walker to hire a new defensive coordinator and hope that Pat 
Fitzgerald doesn't leave.  Chris Spielman, the ESPN color commentator, 
who knows something about playing linebacker has said several times that 
Pat Fitzgerald will be a great head coach at some point in time.  Murphy 
must take the dominant role in hiring defensive coaches otherwise Walker 
will play the old insecure corporate executive trick of never having 
someone working for you who could be a threat to taking your job.

  <>Mediocre teams means a half empty stadium unless a team with tough 
home game tickets plays at NU.  Combine that with the resulting low 
sales of memorabilia and poor bowl game opportunities and it translates 
into low revenues for both football and the other sports programs.  <>

Randy Walker has to go if NU expects to fix the current sshort comings 
and compete with Michigan, Ohio State and now Penn State for the Big Ten 
Championship on a regular basis or even show substantial improvement.  A 
lot of luck rather than anything else has helped Walker.

John DeGroat


From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 07:29:57 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 07:31:11 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <24e.12b14d5.30ac8e55@aol.com>

Well I am sure John's note will elicit a lot of responses including mine.

A few thoughts--

Walker is not a player's coach --and I am not sure how much any school wants 
a player's coach--particularly with the NU football player, who on average is 
more intelligent than the average NCAA football player. They probably more 
than others understand that not everyone is goinhg to love his coach.  

I think John is right that Walker and NU had had a lot of luck the past 
several years-(Mich 2000, Iowa 2005,OSU 2004 to name a few) and with a few plays 
going the other way we could easily have been  at 4-7 some of the bowl years 
under Walker.  While some games have gone the other way, (PSU 2005 quickly comes 
to mind), it seems with have had more of the former than the latter. 

Yes our defense and special teams have been our weak spots under Walker and 
of course it would be great to improve there.  But one has to look at our 
overall record and graduation rates as being the key measurement of his success or 
not--and as  has been hashed about before, Walker passes here.

It would be great to go to a good name bowl every year, but I am skepitcal if 
that is an acheivable goal.  It is a worthy goal , but extraordinary tough 
when if you don't finish in the top 3 or 4 in the conference it won't happen. 
When you have OSU , Mich and PSU in the conference it is tough to consistently 
surpass Minn, Wisc, and Iowa And the recent also rans of MSU, Ill and Purdue do 
not sit quietly.  On top of that would we as alums feel good, that in order 
to acheive the lofty goal, we probably would have to spend a ton of money on a 
football coach and staff  salaries?  I for one think it would send the wrong 
message about what NU is about --academics first.


In short , yes on average we will be in the middle of the pack under Walker- 
or probably any coach (remember if they get good they leave for more money or 
more opportunity to win big --ala Ara, Agase and,Barnett-) but this should 
allow us to go to a name bowl every few years and a lesser name bowl in others-I 
can be happy with that- (Maybe I am biased because i was at NU in the late 
70's early 80's when going -1-10 and 0-11 and getting blown out every game by 
half time was the norm-)

-Now if we could only make the NCAA's in hoops ... 

Harry


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 16 08:25:54 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 16 08:32:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/16
Message-ID: <000001c5eab9$a7f30c60$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
for Purple Reign
& the NU Sports List
Wednesday Edition
All the News that Fits We Link
  Your Index to News about
Northwestern University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men:

     Northwestern Falls To UNC Wilmington in BCA Championship Game
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/111605aaa.html 
     + The Cats Drop the Final NU 48 UNCW 56
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/467441.html 
     + Wildcats fall in tourney final
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051015nugamer,1,241117
1.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Recap UNC-Wilmington vs Northwestern
 
http://dwb.newsobserver.com/24hour/sports/college/mens_basketball/story/2905494p
-11568567c.html 
     + MVP Goldsberry leads Seahawks to title
 
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2005/11/16/sports/09833330dfd321878725
70bb0021d5a7.txt 
     + NC-Wilmington Hands N'Western First Loss
      http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content.asp?ID=19340 

     Illini go back to school
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051115colpreviewillini
,1,2920730.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + It's Vukusic for NU
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051115colpreviewnu,1,7
743940.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     From the UNC-W Seahawk Side
     Seahawks Capture BCA Title Over Northwestern
      http://appserv02.uncw.edu/athletics/ 
     + Seahawks win BCA tourney title
 
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051116/NEWS/51116003/
1005 
     + 'HAWK TALK
      http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/hawktalk 

     Next is Florida Atlantic
     From down in FlaAlum's neck of the woods
     Owls Basketball Kicks Off this Weekend
      http://fausports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111505aaf.html

     + At Sit Down with First Year FAU Head Coach Matt Doherty
      http://fausports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111505aab.html

     + Owls Defeat Florida Tech in Exhibition
      http://fausports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/111305aaa.html 
     + Matt Doherty returns from the basketball coaching abyss
 
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2005/11/13/a1b_PBP_DOH
ERTY_1113.html 
     + FAU, Doherty rebounding together
 
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/columnists/linda_robertson/13169224.
htm 
     + Florida Tech not a measuring stick for FAU
      http://bocanews.com/index.php?src=news&prid=13251&category=Sports%20News 

FOOTBALL

     Monday 2 Deep - Illinois
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/467106.html 
     + Smith's return bolsters Cats' secondary
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051115colfootnu,1,5436
273.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Walker: No such thing as a bad bowl
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-crep16.html 
     + CFN: Update
      http://www.collegefootballnews.com/Big_Ten/Northwestern.htm 
     + Defending the Sweet Sioux!
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats5a30k.html 

     Sports XChange: Inside Slant
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=InsideSlant 
     + Strategy and Personnel
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=StrategyAndPersonn
el 
     + Notes and Quotes
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=NotesAndQuotes 

     Next Up the Sweet Sioux Tomahawk game -
     Illinois Fighting Illini
     Kleckner, Zook and Matha Speak With The Media
 
http://fightingillini.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111505aaa.html 
     + Illini seniors aspire to win one for the underclassmen
 
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/2005/11/16/Sports/Illini.Seniors.Aspire.To.Win.O
ne.For.The.Underclassmen-1059330.shtml 
     $ Northwestern @ Illinois: A Preview
      http://illinois.scout.com/2/467405.html 
     + Zook: Simmons may play in finale
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051115colfootillini,1,
93481.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Illini seniors eye happy ending
 
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2005/11/16/sports/college_sports/90bc8cbb4416dbbe86
2570bb0002d969.txt 
     + Zook feels Illini seniors' pain
      http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2005/11/16/sports/illini/1011303.txt


     more Chief talk
     Editorial: In want of leadership
 
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/2005/11/16/Opinions/Editorial.In.Want.Of.Leaders
hip-1059322.shtml 

     Miscellaneous Football News: 
     Penn State controls its own destiny
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-big16.html 
     Big Ten Weekly Football Release - Nov. 14
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111405aae.html 
     Rivalry Week is unrivaled in sports
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5085892?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=24 


Recruiting

     Carmody Inks Three to National Letters of Intent
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111505aac.html 
     + NU Signs 3 to Basketball Letters of Intent
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/467148.html 
     + Northwestern Inks Three Basketball RecruitsMarist hot from long range
      http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content.asp?ID=19331 

     Courting Illini commitments
      http://www.pjstar.com/stories/111605/ILL_B852H96Q.077.shtml 

FENCING

     Winter 2006 Northwestern University Fencing Clinics
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Nov 16 08:46:58 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Nov 16 08:52:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <24e.12b14d5.30ac8e55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0bb901c5eabc$98da4600$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

I don't agree with the "poor Northwestern" excuse for mediocrity.

I also don't agree that high academic standards and winning football are
mutually exclusive.  The only way to overcome self-limiting low expectations
is to stop making excuses for poor results and demand good results.

Finally, I would be interested to hear from anyone that has specific
knowledge of the athletic budget.  I suspect that the football team is doing
fine financially because of the revenue sharing agreements in the BT and the
broadcast rights in a big media market.  The football team may not support
the rest of the athletic department as robustly as it does at UoM of OSU,
but I'll bet that it is a net positive contributor.

Bienen knows that the only way he is going to be able to continue to be one
of the most expensive institutions in the country is to provide the complete
undergraduate experience.  That includes a competitive football team.
Murphy is here to help raise funds and make sure that our marquee programs
(Football and Basketball) continue to make progress.  NU still has to win
one more game to guarantee a winning (won more than you lost) season, but if
that happens, it represents obvious progress.

I'm not a big fan of Walker's approach either, but he has delivered results
under difficult circumstances.  Baz will be a big loss, but otherwise, this
is a very young team that may only need three BT wins to post a winning
record again next year.  

My football expectations for NU are that we post a winning record every year
(which gets us into bowl games), and content for the BT title (and more) in
those years where we have a lot of seniors starting (particularly at QB).  

Jeff






-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Hakirsch@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:30 AM
To: johnadeg@bellatlantic.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings

Well I am sure John's note will elicit a lot of responses including mine.

A few thoughts--

Walker is not a player's coach --and I am not sure how much any school wants
a player's coach--particularly with the NU football player, who on average
is more intelligent than the average NCAA football player. They probably
more than others understand that not everyone is goinhg to love his coach.  

I think John is right that Walker and NU had had a lot of luck the past
several years-(Mich 2000, Iowa 2005,OSU 2004 to name a few) and with a few
plays going the other way we could easily have been  at 4-7 some of the bowl
years under Walker.  While some games have gone the other way, (PSU 2005
quickly comes to mind), it seems with have had more of the former than the
latter. 

Yes our defense and special teams have been our weak spots under Walker and
of course it would be great to improve there.  But one has to look at our
overall record and graduation rates as being the key measurement of his
success or not--and as  has been hashed about before, Walker passes here.

It would be great to go to a good name bowl every year, but I am skepitcal
if that is an acheivable goal.  It is a worthy goal , but extraordinary
tough when if you don't finish in the top 3 or 4 in the conference it won't
happen. 
When you have OSU , Mich and PSU in the conference it is tough to
consistently surpass Minn, Wisc, and Iowa And the recent also rans of MSU,
Ill and Purdue do not sit quietly.  On top of that would we as alums feel
good, that in order to acheive the lofty goal, we probably would have to
spend a ton of money on a football coach and staff  salaries?  I for one
think it would send the wrong message about what NU is about --academics
first.


In short , yes on average we will be in the middle of the pack under Walker-
or probably any coach (remember if they get good they leave for more money
or more opportunity to win big --ala Ara, Agase and,Barnett-) but this
should allow us to go to a name bowl every few years and a lesser name bowl
in others-I can be happy with that- (Maybe I am biased because i was at NU
in the late 70's early 80's when going -1-10 and 0-11 and getting blown out
every game by half time was the norm-)

-Now if we could only make the NCAA's in hoops ... 

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 08:54:00 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Nov 16 08:55:10 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <24e.12b14d5.30ac8e55@aol.com>
References: <24e.12b14d5.30ac8e55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511160654x2738026cm42543cf84994e475@mail.gmail.com>

Every time NU loses, this conversation inevidably comes up, meanwhile
every time they pull off a big win, everyone praises Walker and says
NU should keep him as long as he wants to stay.  The fact is that he
has done a good job with what he has had to work with, which was a
perennial losing program that had a flash of success in the mid 90s
before apparently returning to form a couple years later.  Everyone on
this listserv knows Northwestern and knows that he must look at the
GPA and test scores for all of the recruits and throw out most of them
before even looking at their athletic ability because there is no way
they would get into the school.  Then he must fight for the relatively
few highly touted and smart athletes out there who are usually
attracted to other schools that have had better success.  This leaves
the team, as you know, short on talent, especially relative to our Big
Ten rivals, all of which are state schools and have a lot of leeway
when it comes to admission requirements.

College football is more than just winning, although having a
competitive program and being successful on the field are the goal of
the team.  College athletics, particularly football, are about
developing the players and most importantly giving a place for a
college to come together and be together while supporting the school
(a.k.a. school spirit).  While some other schools have turned into
semi-pro athletics where they expect to win and nothing else, I am
glad NU has been a place where people that go to the games can come
together and enjoy the experience.  If they win, which they have done
more often nowdays, it makes the experience even better.

Walker has made NU a competitive program and has shown that we can
have a shot at winning the Big Ten title and go to a bowl game.  These
are things that NU did not dream about having for most of its history.
 Looking over the past 3 years, it looks like a consistent program
that can beat the bottom half of the conference and pull off a few
upsets over the top half, which is something NU rarely did except for
2 years in the mid 90s.  The most supportive Wildcat fans and alumni
know this and continue to support the program and celebrate its recent
successes.  Those who want NU to win 90% of the games or some crazy
number like that are dreaming because the fact is that we are not an
elite college football program (i.e. minor league NFL team). 
Northwestern is different than these other schools and we should
embrace the fact that we are different - we are a world class research
institution that brings together some of the brightest and some of the
most talented people from everywhere in the world.  I don't support
losing, but I do support a team that is competitive against its
competition and is consistent.

About the defense... I have thought about why NU's defense has been so
bad under Walker, and a lot of it is just due to the talent level
Walker has to work with, which is not much and is not very deep.  The
depth is what I believe what has hurt the defense the most, as
defensive players tend to get pretty banged up before and during the
season, leading to a makeshift lineup, like we see this year.  Losing
a few players to transfers or preseason injuries hurts the entire
unit, especially when there are barely enough players to go around. 
This has been the case the past few years, with offensive players
being moved over to defense to help and players switching positions
constantly to fill in the gaps (i.e. Napo Harris moving from LB to DE
a few years back, Backes moving to CB last year, etc.).  On offense,
there are enough players to go around because Walker has managed to
change the scheme to something that fits his recruits well. 
Unfortuntately that doesn't work as well on defense as they have to
play to what the opposing offense is giving them.

In any case, I think Walker has established a consistent program here
at NU and has shown that we can compete in the Big Ten.  His players
graduate, and a few go onto the NFL.  He has given the school
something to cheer about.  Some players like him, a lot don't, but he
pushes the players he has to extract everything he can from them -
even if they aren't the top recruits - and uses that to make the team
competitive.  Outside of the Rashidi Wheeler debacle, the program has
been clean and run the right way.  I feel he deserves the support of
the program as long as he continues this (criticism is deserved at
times for specific events.. i.e. defense... but not at the entire
program and the way he runs things).

Just my 2 cents and then some,
Jonathan


On 11/16/05, Hakirsch@aol.com <Hakirsch@aol.com> wrote:
> Well I am sure John's note will elicit a lot of responses including mine.
>
> A few thoughts--
>
> Walker is not a player's coach --and I am not sure how much any school wants
> a player's coach--particularly with the NU football player, who on average is
> more intelligent than the average NCAA football player. They probably more
> than others understand that not everyone is goinhg to love his coach.
>
> I think John is right that Walker and NU had had a lot of luck the past
> several years-(Mich 2000, Iowa 2005,OSU 2004 to name a few) and with a few plays
> going the other way we could easily have been  at 4-7 some of the bowl years
> under Walker.  While some games have gone the other way, (PSU 2005 quickly comes
> to mind), it seems with have had more of the former than the latter.
>
> Yes our defense and special teams have been our weak spots under Walker and
> of course it would be great to improve there.  But one has to look at our
> overall record and graduation rates as being the key measurement of his success or
> not--and as  has been hashed about before, Walker passes here.
>
> It would be great to go to a good name bowl every year, but I am skepitcal if
> that is an acheivable goal.  It is a worthy goal , but extraordinary tough
> when if you don't finish in the top 3 or 4 in the conference it won't happen.
> When you have OSU , Mich and PSU in the conference it is tough to consistently
> surpass Minn, Wisc, and Iowa And the recent also rans of MSU, Ill and Purdue do
> not sit quietly.  On top of that would we as alums feel good, that in order
> to acheive the lofty goal, we probably would have to spend a ton of money on a
> football coach and staff  salaries?  I for one think it would send the wrong
> message about what NU is about --academics first.
>
>
> In short , yes on average we will be in the middle of the pack under Walker-
> or probably any coach (remember if they get good they leave for more money or
> more opportunity to win big --ala Ara, Agase and,Barnett-) but this should
> allow us to go to a name bowl every few years and a lesser name bowl in others-I
> can be happy with that- (Maybe I am biased because i was at NU in the late
> 70's early 80's when going -1-10 and 0-11 and getting blown out every game by
> half time was the norm-)
>
> -Now if we could only make the NCAA's in hoops ...
>
> Harry
>
>
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 08:56:58 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Nov 16 08:58:03 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Coach Dunbar leaving?
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511160656o4fe0680fn975e02f6e6f143d9@mail.gmail.com>

The Daily Northwestern said the following today:

Offensive coordinator Mike Dunbar, reportedly a candidate for the
Buffalo head coaching job and the North Carolina offensive coordinator
job, on whether he's been contacted: "I'm not going there. Let's beat
Illinois. We'll take care of one step at a time."

This is the first I have really heard of this, and with him avoiding
the question like that maybe there is truth to that?  This would be
the second time the OC has been picked off under Walker.

Jonathan

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 09:16:30 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 09:17:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Coach Dunbar leaving?
Message-ID: <df.20e65493.30aca74e@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/16/2005 7:09:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
jonathanwhodges@gmail.com writes:

> The Daily Northwestern said the following today:
> 
> Offensive coordinator Mike Dunbar, reportedly a candidate for the
> Buffalo head coaching job and the North Carolina offensive coordinator
> job, on whether he's been contacted: "I'm not going there. Let's beat
> Illinois. We'll take care of one step at a time."
> 
> This is the first I have really heard of this, and with him avoiding
> the question like that maybe there is truth to that?  This would be
> the second time the OC has been picked off under Walker.
> 
> Jonathan
> 

Could be truthful or an intentional avoidance of the question to help jack up 
his  current compensation
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 16 09:29:26 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 16 09:29:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <24e.12b14d5.30ac8e55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c5eac2$8789b0b0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

>Walker is not a player's coach --and I am not sure how much 
> any school wants a player's coach-

How come so many of the players love him?

>Walker and NU had had a lot of luck the past several years-(Mich 2000,Iowa
2005,OSU 2004 to name a few) and with a few plays going the other way we could
easily have been  at 4-7 some of the bowl years 

There are easily a hundred games in football every year that are decided on
luck. A lucky bounce on an On-side kick, the "miraculous reception," you don't
tear down a program because they get a few lucky breaks, but I hate to tell you
that teams make their own "luck." NU does things like that under Walker [and did
under GB] and didn't under some of the coaches in the 70's and 80's.

> Yes our defense and special teams have been our weak spots 
> under Walker and of course it would be great to improve there.  

The Bend, don't break philosophy worked fine this year until dOSU. Those calling
for Colby's head are the same one's who were down on Dunbar when Baz was missing
3 starting WR's due to injury. 

Hot flash guys, Colby lost his top free safety, his top DE, and maybe his top CB
to injuries, 2 right before the season started. I talked with him right after
the Kenosha scrimmage [and after one of the sessions] and he was pulling his
hair out because he kinda knew he didn't have the hosses left in the stable. 

Had Sutton not stepped up early, you guys would be griping about Dunbar too,
because when Roberson went down along with Jordan, NU wouldn't have had a
running game early either. 

Anyway, leave the Defense alone, they're going to be just fine next year.

> -Now if we could only make the NCAA's in hoops ... 

Man do I agree with that...

Go Cats

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From loomis3 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 16 09:30:57 2005
From: loomis3 at sbcglobal.net (Frank F. Loomis III)
Date: Wed Nov 16 09:32:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <43794EB9.3080802@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <20051116153057.67917.qmail@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Amen!!!!!

Right on, John DeGroat. I commend your courage to speak out. 

Finally, someone is telling it like it is. But unfortunately, what you?re saying, is a harsh reality that most alums will plug their ears to and refuse to accept. 

With most NU devotees, an overall-losing record is OK, as long as OCCASIONALLY we get competitive football and some spectacular, exciting, wins. To his credit, Walker does this. Yet, because of things like you mention, he?s an overall loser (440?). For that alone he?d be gone at most Div I schools. 

But for us, that?s no problem, because it?s our sixty year or so tradition and reputation that we accept losing. We don?t demand or expect a winning record.....we just want to be competitive, but only now and then, that is. 

What Barnett did two years in a row, won championships (went to the ROSE BOWL), maintained academic standards, graduated the kids, and won the admiration of the country....well, apparently our predominant mind-set is that those years were aberrations. We can?t expect that....just be competitive, though inconsistently so, and once in a while go to some kind of a bowl. 

Walker's ilk is about tops we can expect to have. We should be glad to have him. 

In football, we cannot demand the kind of coaching excellence we have in our lacrosse coach, Hiller-Monte.

After all, we?re Northwestern!

Well, I, for one, do not agree with all that thinking. I say we can get another young-Barnett type. Chancellor Weber got one. So, Bienen and Murphy can do likewise. 

And just maybe, as you mention John, he?s right in front of our noses: Patrick Fitzgerald. 

Despite his youth, considering his recruiting talents and enthusiasm, I think it?s something that should be considered. 

Bottom line: We need a new coach. After seven years, Walker has proved himself inadequate for what SHOULD BE our needs. So, let?s move on this and in the process purge ourselves of the thinking that because we?re Northwestern we cannot expect and get excellence in football coaching. 

Frank Loomis 


"John A. DeGroat" <johnadeg@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
The Ohio State fiasco highlighted all of Randy Walker's many short 
comings including no defense and no kicking game. As the game 
announcers over the past several seasons plus have said, NU has an 
offense, some linebackers and that is it. NU's defense has been ranked 
in the bottom 100 ever since Walker showed up. Add to that his failure 
as a recruiter. Rivals.com's ranking of the recruiting classes for the 
past several years puts them at the near bottom of the Big Ten and in 
the 70 plus ranking nationally. Add to that the number of players who 
have left or quit the program with eligibility left and it says a lot 
about Walker. I attended the 2003 Miami of Ohio game and happened to be 
sitting next to the father of a current and past Miami player who told 
me that the Miami players didn't like Walker and were glad to be rid of him.



Not only has Walker never developed punters or kickers, he uses them in 
truly bizarre ways. Squib kicking with no defense assuring good field 
positions for the other team makes no sense, neither does punting when 
NU is behind and in a short yardage situation near the end of a game. 
Walker has said that he doesn't know much about the kicking game and 
seems determined to prove it. 

If Walker is retained as the coach, NU will be relegated to mediocrity 
for as long as he is there. Mark Murphy told the NY Alumni organization 
shortly after he arrived that his criteria for a successful football 
program would be NU in ranked bowl games on a regular basis, i.e. 
something better than the Motor City Bowl.

If we get stuck with Walker for the foreseeable future, then Murphy has 
to force Walker to hire a new defensive coordinator and hope that Pat 
Fitzgerald doesn't leave. Chris Spielman, the ESPN color commentator, 
who knows something about playing linebacker has said several times that 
Pat Fitzgerald will be a great head coach at some point in time. Murphy 
must take the dominant role in hiring defensive coaches otherwise Walker 
will play the old insecure corporate executive trick of never having 
someone working for you who could be a threat to taking your job.

<>Mediocre teams means a half empty stadium unless a team with tough 
home game tickets plays at NU. Combine that with the resulting low 
sales of memorabilia and poor bowl game opportunities and it translates 
into low revenues for both football and the other sports programs. <>

Randy Walker has to go if NU expects to fix the current sshort comings 
and compete with Michigan, Ohio State and now Penn State for the Big Ten 
Championship on a regular basis or even show substantial improvement. A 
lot of luck rather than anything else has helped Walker.

John DeGroat


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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Nov 16 09:38:11 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Nov 16 09:43:34 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Coach Dunbar leaving?
In-Reply-To: <df.20e65493.30aca74e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0be401c5eac3$c0dd2d50$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

This is an example of where NU "IS" at a disadvantage compared to OSU and
UoM.  Our program doesn't generate the sort of dollars that allow head
coaches to pay assistant coaches at least as well as they would get paid to
be head coaches somewhere else.  Carr was an assistant coach at UoM for
fifteen years before succeeding Moeller.  Moeller spent about the same
amount of time as an assistant coach before succeeding Bo.

Pay is only part of the issue, however.  Those coaches who have aspirations
to become head coach some day have two choices.  They succeed the coach they
are working for, or they take a head coaching job somewhere else.

Barring some repercussions from the Wheeler settlement, Walker has certainly
delivered the sort of results this year that should earn him a contract
extension.  So Dunbar's opportunities to be a head coach here have
diminished.  If he really wants to be a head coach, I'm not surprised his
name is coming up in discussions.  

Jeff 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coach Dunbar leaving?

In a message dated 11/16/2005 7:09:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jonathanwhodges@gmail.com writes:

> The Daily Northwestern said the following today:
> 
> Offensive coordinator Mike Dunbar, reportedly a candidate for the 
> Buffalo head coaching job and the North Carolina offensive coordinator 
> job, on whether he's been contacted: "I'm not going there. Let's beat 
> Illinois. We'll take care of one step at a time."
> 
> This is the first I have really heard of this, and with him avoiding 
> the question like that maybe there is truth to that?  This would be 
> the second time the OC has been picked off under Walker.
> 
> Jonathan
> 

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 09:46:42 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 09:48:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <158.5c47ce77.30acae62@aol.com>

Besides ND does any program in the country with high academic standards for 
its football players (Michigan and Cal both take prop 48 players) consistently 
go to top bowls ?- Heck even ND has taken at least 1 prop 48 player -Stanford 
was always the model, but in spite of a legacy of some great QB's of Plunkett 
and Elway, and some Rose Bowl teams they only rarely go to a top bowl.  Duke 
was decent when they had Spurrier- that-didn't last long.  Vandy--this year 
perhaps, hardly any others-- 

Harry
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 16 10:10:07 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 16 10:10:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Coach Dunbar leaving?
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I can't speak for Coach Dunbar, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's considered
for a top job.

But I actually thought he likes it at NU and might even be considering retiring
from here.

Anyway, I have tape from RW saying that he expects to lose all of his assistants
eventually, and that is one of his jobs as a Head Coach is to allow his
assistants to get better resumes and move on altho Dunbar's resume is pretty
amazing now.

Go Cats

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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:57 AM
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> Subject: [NU Sports] Coach Dunbar leaving?
> 
> 
> The Daily Northwestern said the following today:
> 
> Offensive coordinator Mike Dunbar, reportedly a candidate for 
> the Buffalo head coaching job and the North Carolina 
> offensive coordinator job, on whether he's been contacted: 
> "I'm not going there. Let's beat Illinois. We'll take care of 
> one step at a time."
> 
> This is the first I have really heard of this, and with him 
> avoiding the question like that maybe there is truth to that? 
>  This would be the second time the OC has been picked off 
> under Walker.
> 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 10:28:36 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 10:29:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <1a6.4450b035.30acb834@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/16/2005 7:49:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
Hakirsch@aol.com writes:

> Besides ND does any program in the country with high academic standards for 
> 
> its football players (Michigan and Cal both take prop 48 players) 
> consistently 
> go to top bowls ?-

I probably should have also mentioned BYU which did win a natioanl title in 
'84 and I supect maintians high academic standards for its players.  But they 
have a special advantage in that  just about any Mormon kid who is a good 
athlete growing up has as his dream to play for BYU--I don't think we can replicate 
that- advantage-not to mention they don't play in nearly as  competitive 
conference as we do and therefore rarely have an opportuntiy to go to a top bowl

Harry
From thiegs at umn.edu  Wed Nov 16 10:52:45 2005
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Wed Nov 16 10:56:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <20051116153057.67917.qmail@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c5eace$2b42fc60$fb326580@jthiegs2003>

Frank!!  Hi!  How long has it been since you last posted to the list?  Too
long.  Good to hear from you again (even if I happen to disagree about
Walker).  :)

I want excellence all the time too, not just occasionally.  Seasons like
2002 can be tough to watch.  However, I think Walker has done a bang-up job
the last couple of years, for the most part.  He's earned at least a few
more years.  Think about it: up to last week (the second-to-last of the
year), we were still in the hunt for a share of the Big Ten title!  One more
stop in the Penn State game, and we're leading the conference!  How many
people thought that would be even a remote possibility in light of our
schedule and following our preseason injuries and departures, much less
after the Arizona State game ? 6-5 was at the top end of the most optimistic
projections at that point; 7-4 therefore should be considered outstanding!
(BTW, I apologize for all of the exclamation points.  That's not normally my
style, but I'm not afraid to use them when they're appropriate.)

Do we need improvement on defense?  Sure.  However, I don't think we can pin
all of this on Walker this year.  Very few teams have stockpiles of
defensive talent at every position (think tOSU, LSU, USC, Miami (FL)), and a
few injuries here and there can make or break a season.  Now I know Bob and
others would be quick to suggest that perhaps at least some of the preseason
injuries are the result of too much pushing in the offseason.  Perhaps.  I
also humbly suggest, however, the possibility that the improvement in our
overall level of conditioning has won us more games than it has cost us
during Walker's tenure.

I remain a big Gary Barnett fan (I don't hold too much of a grudge over the
departure to Colorado--how many of us would decline the offer of a job we
had wanted most of our lives?) but remember that not all of his seasons were
as great as the two we all remember so well.  Barnett's first season at NU
coincided with the fall of my freshman year, so I followed his progress
quite closely.  '97 and '98 had promising moments but didn't end too well,
as I recall.  The point is that I don't think we'll find a coach much better
than Walker right now, and I don't believe we should be looking now, either.
I still have faith that RW has the ability to lead us to another Rose Bowl
sometime within the next four or five years, and that's really the key for
me.

Count me along with those whose top choice for head coach someday is Pat
Fitzgerald.  I'd take him as soon as he thinks he's ready but for the fact
that I think we owe Walker at least a few more seasons.  I'm not quite sure
how I feel about Colby.  I think maybe I'd like to see how next season goes,
and then if we don't have serious improvement, bump Fitz up to DC.  He's my
age, and he'd still be one of the youngest defensive coordinators, if not
_the_ youngest DC, in major college football.  See how he does there, and
then start thinking about Walker's heir.  In a few years if Walker deserves
a further extension and Fitz is a hot commodity, I don't think it would be
the worst thing in the world if Pat got hired and cut his teeth as a head
coach at a mid-level school somewhere and then came back home to his alma
mater as his final stop as head coach.  That's not to say that I wouldn't
love for him to stay throughout.  He could be our very own Joe Paterno!
Okay, maybe I'm getting a little ahead of things, but I can dream, can't I?

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Frank F. Loomis III
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:31 AM
To: John A. DeGroat; NU Sports Discussion
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings



Amen!!!!!

Right on, John DeGroat. I commend your courage to speak out. 

Finally, someone is telling it like it is. But unfortunately, what you're
saying, is a harsh reality that most alums will plug their ears to and
refuse to accept. 

With most NU devotees, an overall-losing record is OK, as long as
OCCASIONALLY we get competitive football and some spectacular, exciting,
wins. To his credit, Walker does this. Yet, because of things like you
mention, he's an overall loser (440?). For that alone he'd be gone at most
Div I schools. 

But for us, that's no problem, because it's our sixty year or so tradition
and reputation that we accept losing. We don't demand or expect a winning
record.....we just want to be competitive, but only now and then, that is. 

What Barnett did two years in a row, won championships (went to the ROSE
BOWL), maintained academic standards, graduated the kids, and won the
admiration of the country....well, apparently our predominant mind-set is
that those years were aberrations. We can't expect that....just be
competitive, though inconsistently so, and once in a while go to some kind
of a bowl. 

Walker's ilk is about tops we can expect to have. We should be glad to have
him. 

In football, we cannot demand the kind of coaching excellence we have in our
lacrosse coach, Hiller-Monte.

After all, we're Northwestern!

Well, I, for one, do not agree with all that thinking. I say we can get
another young-Barnett type. Chancellor Weber got one. So, Bienen and Murphy
can do likewise. 

And just maybe, as you mention John, he's right in front of our noses:
Patrick Fitzgerald. 

Despite his youth, considering his recruiting talents and enthusiasm, I
think it's something that should be considered. 

Bottom line: We need a new coach. After seven years, Walker has proved
himself inadequate for what SHOULD BE our needs. So, let's move on this and
in the process purge ourselves of the thinking that because we're
Northwestern we cannot expect and get excellence in football coaching. 

Frank Loomis 


"John A. DeGroat" <johnadeg@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
The Ohio State fiasco highlighted all of Randy Walker's many short 
comings including no defense and no kicking game. As the game 
announcers over the past several seasons plus have said, NU has an 
offense, some linebackers and that is it. NU's defense has been ranked 
in the bottom 100 ever since Walker showed up. Add to that his failure 
as a recruiter. Rivals.com's ranking of the recruiting classes for the 
past several years puts them at the near bottom of the Big Ten and in 
the 70 plus ranking nationally. Add to that the number of players who 
have left or quit the program with eligibility left and it says a lot 
about Walker. I attended the 2003 Miami of Ohio game and happened to be 
sitting next to the father of a current and past Miami player who told 
me that the Miami players didn't like Walker and were glad to be rid of him.



Not only has Walker never developed punters or kickers, he uses them in 
truly bizarre ways. Squib kicking with no defense assuring good field 
positions for the other team makes no sense, neither does punting when 
NU is behind and in a short yardage situation near the end of a game. 
Walker has said that he doesn't know much about the kicking game and 
seems determined to prove it. 

If Walker is retained as the coach, NU will be relegated to mediocrity 
for as long as he is there. Mark Murphy told the NY Alumni organization 
shortly after he arrived that his criteria for a successful football 
program would be NU in ranked bowl games on a regular basis, i.e. 
something better than the Motor City Bowl.

If we get stuck with Walker for the foreseeable future, then Murphy has 
to force Walker to hire a new defensive coordinator and hope that Pat 
Fitzgerald doesn't leave. Chris Spielman, the ESPN color commentator, 
who knows something about playing linebacker has said several times that 
Pat Fitzgerald will be a great head coach at some point in time. Murphy 
must take the dominant role in hiring defensive coaches otherwise Walker 
will play the old insecure corporate executive trick of never having 
someone working for you who could be a threat to taking your job.

<>Mediocre teams means a half empty stadium unless a team with tough 
home game tickets plays at NU. Combine that with the resulting low 
sales of memorabilia and poor bowl game opportunities and it translates 
into low revenues for both football and the other sports programs. <>

Randy Walker has to go if NU expects to fix the current sshort comings 
and compete with Michigan, Ohio State and now Penn State for the Big Ten 
Championship on a regular basis or even show substantial improvement. A 
lot of luck rather than anything else has helped Walker.

John DeGroat


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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 11:24:17 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 11:34:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <20e.e79d38b.30acc541@aol.com>

This is getting really ugly and ridiculous.  No doubt Coach Walker has  
weaknesses, as does any coach and any of us.  He also has strengths that  militate 
in his favor--loyalty to NU (He doesn't always seem to be looking to  move to 
another gig); fantastic graduation rates which make all of us proud;  putting 
aside the Wheeler Tragedy (which is not the easiest task);no scandals to  
tarnish our reputation; exciting games and heart-stopping finishes (which  usually 
turn in our favor--I don't attribute that all to "luck"--skill, heart,  
conditioning, desire, and pride play a bigger role); and a decent, if not  
spectacular, record (won-lost; BT titles; Bowls; etc.).  He also is  respected by the 
media, in particular the TV announcers who work our games,  which can only 
help with recruiting.  We need to have better attendance,  for which he may bear 
some, but certainly not all, responsibility.  
 
I like the "Fitz" as heir apparent scenario that has been bandied  about.  If 
RW decides to go with a new DC, whether now or in a year or two,  I would 
hope Mark Murphy would encourage him to look first at Fitz, so that he  could be 
groomed to succeed RW down the road.  He is the logical "next HC"  at NU if 
the timing can be worked out.  He has the pedigree, the commitment  to the 
school, and the smarts.  And maybe then he can groom McGarrigle as  his successor, 
as sometimes I think they are the same person, ten years  apart.:-)
 
Why can't we celebrate this year's successes, rather than dwelling on the  
negative?  Sure, the OSU and UM games hurt (a lot), but we are not going to  
beat either team many years--especially, the Bucks, who seem to have a hex on  
us.   We should have beaten Joe Pa this year, which really kept us  from having 
a spectacular season.  Instead, his team went out and grabbed  that "ring", to 
their credit.  
 
We are a truly great academic institution with an improving football team  as 
part of a now-solid athletic program, which has the backing of the University 
 Administration--something which was sadly lacking in my days at NU.  Is  
there anything wrong with that--or do we aspire to become USC, Miami or Texas  
here?  I don't, because were we to go in that direction (and I doubt we  could 
ever make it anyway), we assuredly would have to make a pact with the  Devil in 
terms of the academic side of things.  Let's stop trying to be  something we 
are not and enjoy what we are--one of the most exciting teams in  the nation 
this year, with good things on the horizon.
 
Paul Levinson
From johnl at mac.com  Wed Nov 16 11:42:49 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Wed Nov 16 11:45:33 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5eace$2b42fc60$fb326580@jthiegs2003>
References: <000d01c5eace$2b42fc60$fb326580@jthiegs2003>
Message-ID: <16090979.1132162969420.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>

You'll have to remind me about the "promising moments" in the '98 season.  As I recall, we were 0-8 in the Big Ten and we were blown out at home by Duke.

Assuming a win on Saturday, Walker will be 14-10 in the Big Ten over the past 3 years.  I don't have time right now to compare that to see how it ranks among other Big Ten teams, but I'd venture a guess that it's about the middle of the pack or perhaps the upper-middle.

It's not fair to look at Walker's entire record; let's talk about what he's done the past few years.  Barnett didn't have a winning record at Northwestern, either.  His best 3-season Big Ten record was 18-6 and then the following season he was 0-8.  Hardly consistent.

My biggest question, though, is if we fire Walker, who would we hire?  Charlie Weis is spoken for.

Do we try to read the tea leaves and hire an "up and coming" coach who may or may not win, but if he does, he will promptly leave for a better program?


On Wednesday, November 16, 2005, at 12:00PM, Joe Thiegs <thiegs@umn.edu> wrote:

>quite closely.  '97 and '98 had promising moments but didn't end too well,
>as I recall.  The point is that I don't think we'll find a coach much better

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Nov 16 10:47:04 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Nov 16 12:13:44 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <158.5c47ce77.30acae62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0c2b01c5eacd$5f7f7130$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

[long post warning]

I think this is more of the bigotry of low expectations.

The fact that a school takes a prop 48 player doesn't mean that they
automatically become more competitive unless all prop 48 players are somehow
more skilled than those that don't need that help.

Unless you missed the lively discussion earlier this year, there are a
couple of majors at NU that are significantly more popular with our athletes
than others.  So don't kid yourself.  Some kids do come to NU to major in
football just like they do everywhere else.  The difference is that our
football majors actually graduate with another degree that really means
something.   

There is no doubt that NU has the highest admission standards in the BT and
that it is a challenge to find football players to meet that standard.  But
it is also true that NU is the most expensive institution in the BT and has
the highest graduation rate in the BT.  It also has a national reputation
for academic excellence as well as a growing reputation in the NFL for
producing smart LB's and offensive linemen.

The bad news is that NU recruiters have to travel more than our BT rivals.
The good news is that when we find smart kids who are also good football
players (and yes there are enough of them out there every year), our
recruiters have the following advantages: We can hand them a check for
$160K.  We can virtually guarantee that they will graduate with a real
degree even in communications studies <g>.  We can guarantee that they will
be on TV playing against some of the best teams in the country.  We can
promise that if they have aspirations to play in the NFL (particularly if
they are LB's or OL) they will get a shot.  

So while NU may never get the same number of blue-chip recruits that UoM or
OSU gets, we will get smart kids that want to come here for all the right
reasons.  Because all of our kids share a certain attitude and make-up, our
coach starts out with an advantage that other coaches who may have access to
more raw talent don't have.  Our kids know that they only way they are going
to win is to play as a team. Because football is a team game, we have proven
over and over again that our team can often beat a group of more talented
players who aren't playing as a team.  With the right coach, that advantage
should allow us to post consistent winning seasons.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't think NU aspires to contend for a
national championship every year, at least not yet.  But it is certainly
reasonable to have expectations that our teams post winning records every
year, regularly go to bowl games as a result, and contend for BT
championships in "experienced" years.  If Purdue hadn't laid an egg this
year, I would have held them up as a reasonable model of how a school with
high academic standards could emerge from mediocrity and become a
respectable competitor in the BT.

Jeff  

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Hakirsch@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:47 AM
To: loomis3@sbcglobal.net; johnadeg@bellatlantic.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings

Besides ND does any program in the country with high academic standards for
its football players (Michigan and Cal both take prop 48 players)
consistently go to top bowls ?- Heck even ND has taken at least 1 prop 48
player -Stanford was always the model, but in spite of a legacy of some
great QB's of Plunkett and Elway, and some Rose Bowl teams they only rarely
go to a top bowl.  Duke was decent when they had Spurrier- that-didn't last
long.  Vandy--this year perhaps, hardly any others-- 

Harry
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From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Wed Nov 16 12:13:53 2005
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Wed Nov 16 12:21:41 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] my take
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE867@goose.latimes.com>

 First, may I say that any day that brings a note from Frank Loomis is a good day. I always welcome his grace and insight.
 Second, I say again that I don't have any particular professional insight but I would be surprised were Randy Walker under any pressure from the AD or the president. There may be legitimate reasons for complaint -- in particular, a resounding lack of defensive success over the years. But, especially these past three seasons, the team has been competitive, a few head off to the NFL and pretty much all the players graduate. 
 I am on record -- in a column published in the Daily this past spring -- as saying that expecting mediocrity no longer cuts it. The Rose Bowl team forever put a lie to the notion that Northwestern can't excel in football while simultaneously serving as the academic beacon on the hill. 
 If memory serves, I believe I said in that column that all Wildcat fans ought to reasonably expect eight or nine wins a year and a bowl game without compromising the consistent excellence in academics the university has always stood for and must always stand for. 
 Let's say we beat the snot out of Illinois. Then we're 7-4, 5-3.
 Let's say we win whatever bowl game we go to. That's eight.
 Any sportswriter knows full well that woulda coulda shoulda doesn't get it done. But -- at the risk of momentarily losing my card-carrying newsman status -- this team woulda coulda shoulda beaten Penn State. And we'd all be looking at this season very differently, and Randy Walker might well have been the 2005 version of GB in the nation's sports pages.
 (This is why woulda coulda shoulda's are good for nothing, by the way. I've been perhaps the biggest complainer on this list about this year's defense, and god knows the way other things woulda coulda shoulda turned out -- Purdue, Iowa, Northern Illinois. OK OK OK ...)
 At any rate ...
 I think the issue is how to bring consistent defensive and special teams excellence to the table. 
 The spread offense makes up for the talent/size/speed problem we face when recruiting. Give Walker credit for recognizing that, implementing it and finding a succession of qbs to run it well.
 Why we can't find one kicker in the entire country is beyond me. Sam Valensizi - are your kids old enough yet?!
 And why can't we consistently recruit defensive studs up front and in the secondary? We do well enough at linebacker. Why is this?
 And, again: Frank - hope you're well - great to hear from you -
 Alan 
 
 

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 12:26:42 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 12:30:49 2005
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <42.7610e1f8.30acd3e2@aol.com>

 
From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 12:40:31 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 12:41:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <99.6be0065d.30acd71f@aol.com>


>  think this is more of the bigotry of low expectations.
> 
> The fact that a school takes a prop 48 player doesn't mean that they
> automatically become more competitive unless all prop 48 players are somehow
> more skilled than those that don't need that help.
> 

I was just looking to compare other programs with high academic standards to 
point out that none? consistently compete for national titles,? nor go to 
major bowls in most years.? (Except ND) I believe that a program that takes? prop 
48 kids(if that is still the rule number--it may have changed) is not a 
program i? think compares with us- That is a different set of standards- If none of 
these other programs can successfully compete at the highest levels, I think 
it is unrealistic for us to expect that we can except in a small amount of 
years when we get a perfect storm? going our way ---(1995/1996 we didn't play OSU 
in either year, we had a bunch of kids come together at the right time, we had 
overachievers, etc etc.)--This just isn't going to happen too often-

Harry

From clzahn at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 16 13:32:11 2005
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Wed Nov 16 13:36:00 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Expectations for our football team
Message-ID: <19203740.1132169531981.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I am certainly not an expert on football, but I do qualify as a long time Cat fan as Ara was coach when I was there.  First I would agree that we cannot expect to frequently compete for the national championship.  Once in a great while when everything falls into place it could happen,  but usually the football factories have a built in advantage.  We can expect to have a winning record except when we are hit real hard with injuries.  I don't think we can expect NU to have the depth that UM or OSU has.  We can also expect to often compete for the Big10 championship.  I believe the RW can do this.  He's shown that he is flexible enough to adapt to the athletes he has, rather than force those same athletes to adopt his system.  He also seem's smart enough that he will try to solve the problems on kick coverage and defense.  His main weakness seems to be too much loyalty to his assistants.  I expect that he will address that problem.  I certainly would not be in favor of bringing in some other coach who would want to impose his "system" on our team.

I do wonder if we will always have some trouble on defense.  When you are on offense you get to dictate the flow of the game.  Smart plays and smart players can often overcome deficiences in talent.  When you're on defense you have to react to what the other offense does and playing smart can't always overcome the athleticism of the opposition.



From thiegs at umn.edu  Wed Nov 16 13:38:53 2005
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Wed Nov 16 13:42:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <16090979.1132162969420.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c5eae5$60d26a20$fb326580@jthiegs2003>

NU 41, UNLV 7 to open the season.  I remember watching that game in a local
bar with the NU Club of the Twin Cities.  In '97 we shut out Oklahoma to
start the year.  Those were the "promising moments" to which I was
referring.  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Labbe [mailto:johnl@mac.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:43 AM
To: Joe Thiegs
Cc: 'NU Sports Discussion'
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings


You'll have to remind me about the "promising moments" in the '98 season.
As I recall, we were 0-8 in the Big Ten and we were blown out at home by
Duke.

Assuming a win on Saturday, Walker will be 14-10 in the Big Ten over the
past 3 years.  I don't have time right now to compare that to see how it
ranks among other Big Ten teams, but I'd venture a guess that it's about the
middle of the pack or perhaps the upper-middle.

It's not fair to look at Walker's entire record; let's talk about what he's
done the past few years.  Barnett didn't have a winning record at
Northwestern, either.  His best 3-season Big Ten record was 18-6 and then
the following season he was 0-8.  Hardly consistent.

My biggest question, though, is if we fire Walker, who would we hire?
Charlie Weis is spoken for.

Do we try to read the tea leaves and hire an "up and coming" coach who may
or may not win, but if he does, he will promptly leave for a better program?


On Wednesday, November 16, 2005, at 12:00PM, Joe Thiegs <thiegs@umn.edu>
wrote:

>quite closely.  '97 and '98 had promising moments but didn't end too 
>well, as I recall.  The point is that I don't think we'll find a coach 
>much better



From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Wed Nov 16 13:42:56 2005
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Wed Nov 16 13:50:53 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] basketball futility
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE870@goose.latimes.com>

 This sentence from this morning's Tribune says it all:
 "Under Carmody, the Wildcats' 29-31 record the last two seasons is their best two-year stretch since Rich Falk's teams went 32-36, including an NIT berth, from 1982 to '84."
 Just to pile on, this sentence, from later in the story: "Northwestern is beginning its second century of basketball, still looking for its first NCAA tourney berth."
 Ugh.
 Yech.
 Ptooey.
 It is abominable that we have been so bad, and for so long.  
 What's fair for the goose, etc.: I do not think it the least bit unreasonable to hold the men's basketball team to the same expectation as the fb team. (In this case, however, I mean the bb version of eight or nine wins -- like, 20. I don't literally mean eight or nine!)
 I readily, happily concede that the team seems to be getting better under Carmody.
 Let me just say, however, that I expect them to make the NCAA tourney. It's about time. And this is the team -- with seven seniors.
 I applaud the wins over Leigh and Charlotte. But losing to Wilmington? 
 
 

From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 16 13:58:48 2005
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Wed Nov 16 13:59:13 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
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Hi everyone.  I'm enjoying this thread, as it is a variant of a conversation
I have with myself every week during football season. :)

I tend agree with Harry's statement below.  Other than Notre Dame, there is
zero precedent for a school like NU challenging for a national title with
any regularity.  And ND represents such a unique situation that's nearly
useless for us as an example.

This is not to say it can't be done, however--only that we there is an
intermediate goal that must be reached before we aspire to be a truly
top-tier program.  IMHO, this intermediate goal should be to consistently
achieve winning seasons, and thus bowl games.  By consistent, I mean we go
bowling 3-4 times every 5 years.  This, in turn, will require us to be
consistently competitive in the B10, since even with the easiest OOC
schedule we will need to win 3-4 B10 games to have a winning record.

Realistically, we need to exist at this intermediate state for another 5-10
years before we are ready to take the next step.  Thus, THE ONLY PRACTICAL
QUESTION we should be asking about RW is whether he is the man to help us
achieve/maintain this.  I suggest that his overall record and recent history
at NU shows that he can.

If, by the end of the 2010 season, we have had 3-4 more 6-7 win seasons (but
nothing more), then I would fully support replacing RW with someone else who
may be able to take us to the next level.  But college football (unlike
college hoops, BTW) is fundamentally and structually biased against small,
private, academically selective universities.  Those of you who think RW has
underachieved at NU should address these concerns in order to credibly call
for his replacement.

Regards-
Art Miller
McCormick '91



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>I was just looking to compare other programs with high academic standards
>to point out that none  consistently compete for national titles,  nor go
>to major bowls in most years.  (Except ND) I believe that a program that
>takes  prop 48 kids(if that is still the rule number--it may have changed)
>is not a program i  think compares with us- That is a different set of
>standards- If none of these other programs can successfully compete at the
>highest levels, I think it is unrealistic for us to expect that we can
>except in a small amount of years when we get a perfect storm  going our
>way.

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Nov 16 14:08:02 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Nov 16 14:13:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
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You're going to have a tough time finding other institutions that take as
much pride in their tough admissions requirements as NU does AND are private
AND play competitively in a public league.  Your down to Vandy, Stanford,
Rice, and Duke.  And, yes, none of them has a very consistent record of
football bowling.  Three of them are pretty good basketball schools, though
and admissions requirements haven't seemed to hurt there.  If this proves
anything, it is that expectations have much more to do with winning than
admissions.    
 
As far as MAJOR bowls every year, I never said that, nor have I heard anyone
else say that either.  What I have heard is a winning record, which in the
BT almost always means some sort of bowl game.  Alan has been the most
aggressive, saying consistent 8-9 win seasons, which might be construed as
major bowls.
 
What your focus on prop 48 DOES suggest is the premise that the best
football players are illiterate African Americans who don't value education.
The corollary is that institutions who value football over education will
prostitute themselves in order to admit these players and will create a
special football-student status so that they can get on the field.  The
conclusion is that institutions like NU can't compete.
 
Fortunately, it's not true.
 
NU can win football games in the BT with a team of real students who go to
class, play football, and graduate.  The reason I know that it can be done
is because it HAS been done (and was done again this year).  We never have
the fastest kids, the biggest kids, or the strongest kids, but we have
always had the smartest kids.  They played as a team, never gave up, and
were able to beat teams that had way more individual talent.
 
Will our football players who play as a team always be able to beat teams
with more talented individuals?  No.  The rose bowl is a perfect example of
a talented academically ineligible Keyshawn Johnson beating our team that
didn't send anyone to the NFL.  Over the course of a season, however, our
team should be smart enough and work hard enough to win more than it loses.
In those special years where everyone is healthy and we have lots of
seniors, we should be able to compete for the BT title, and maybe more.  
 
I think that is a reasonable expectation.  I also believe that the more the
NU faithful, administration, students, faculty, and alums that have that
expectation, the better the team will do.
Jeff

  _____  

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think this is more of the bigotry of low expectations.

The fact that a school takes a prop 48 player doesn't mean that they
automatically become more competitive unless all prop 48 players are somehow
more skilled than those that don't need that help.




I was just looking to compare other programs with high academic standards to
point out that none  consistently compete for national titles,  nor go to
major bowls in most years.  (Except ND) I believe that a program that takes
prop 48 kids(if that is still the rule number--it may have changed) is not a
program i  think compares with us- That is a different set of standards- If
none of these other programs can successfully compete at the highest levels,
I think it is unrealistic for us to expect that we can except in a small
amount of years when we get a perfect storm  going our way ---(1995/1996 we
didn't play OSU in either year, we had a bunch of kids come together at the
right time, we had overachievers, etc etc.)--This just isn't going to happen
too often-

Harry


From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 14:32:44 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 14:33:57 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <129.694e0476.30acf16c@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/16/2005 12:14:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
jeffb@hilgraeve.com writes:

> What your focus on prop 48 DOES suggest is the premise that the best
> football players are illiterate African Americans who don't value education.
> The corollary is that institutions who value football over education will
> prostitute themselves in order to admit these players and will create a
> special football-student status so that they can get on the field.  The
> conclusion is that institutions like NU can't compete.
> 

Please, this is very far from what I am saying--Our  academic standards are 
higher than most. One way that this is apparant is by  the amount of schools 
who take prop 48 kids. Unfortunately for a whole host of socio-economic reasons, 
African- Americans are dis -proportionately represented in the pool of prop 
48 kids -(-see John Thompson)-However, there are plenty of African-American 
kids who are eligible and  RW has clearly found some of them and I suspect NU and 
the kids most of the time are both better off for it. There are also plenty 
of kids of all backgrounds who are great athletes but don't measure up to NU 
academically- Obviously part of -RW's job is to find those that are and convince 
them to attend--It's not easy when a large number of top athletes can't be 
admitted for academic reasons, but I don't think any of us would want it any 
other way

-Again all I am saying is that look at other football programs with similar 
academic standards have not been consistent top 10 teams--why should we expect 
us to be any different ?

Harry
From thiegs at umn.edu  Wed Nov 16 14:34:03 2005
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Wed Nov 16 14:38:10 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] basketball futility
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Alan--I'm not too upset about the loss to UNC-Wilmington.  A few years ago I
watched the Seahawks beat better teams than I would expect NU to be this
year.  They've gone to the NCAA tournament three times (and the NIT once) in
the last six years.  On my lone trip to Vegas (in March of 2002) I saw that
they were No. 12 seeds pitted against No. 5 USC.  Having watched
UNC-Wilmington upset the Gophers in Williams Arena earlier that season, I
figured they and their star guard, Brett Blizzard, were a good bet to knock
off the Trojans.  Rather than bet against the spread (don't remember what it
was), I saw the money line of something like +390, knew better, and
quadrupled my admittedly modest wager as UNCW shocked 'SC and a fair number
of people in the sports book (but not me).  They lost by nine points in the
next round to championship game-bound Indiana.

This year they are undefeated so far (obviously) and have a great player in
senior shooting guard John Goldsberry.  Keep an eye on them throughout the
season.  I don't think they'll hurt our RPI too badly.

-Joe

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 This sentence from this morning's Tribune says it all:
 "Under Carmody, the Wildcats' 29-31 record the last two seasons is their
best two-year stretch since Rich Falk's teams went 32-36, including an NIT
berth, from 1982 to '84."  Just to pile on, this sentence, from later in the
story: "Northwestern is beginning its second century of basketball, still
looking for its first NCAA tourney berth."  Ugh.  Yech.  Ptooey.  It is
abominable that we have been so bad, and for so long.  
 What's fair for the goose, etc.: I do not think it the least bit
unreasonable to hold the men's basketball team to the same expectation as
the fb team. (In this case, however, I mean the bb version of eight or nine
wins -- like, 20. I don't literally mean eight or nine!)  I readily, happily
concede that the team seems to be getting better under Carmody.  Let me just
say, however, that I expect them to make the NCAA tourney. It's about time.
And this is the team -- with seven seniors.  I applaud the wins over Leigh
and Charlotte. But losing to Wilmington? 
 
 

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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 14:47:01 2005
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 14:54:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] basketball futility
Message-ID: <206.e8acdd6.30acf4c5@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/16/2005 1:52:28 PM Central Standard Time,  
Alan.Abrahamson@latimes.com writes:

I  applaud the wins over Leigh and Charlotte. But losing to Wilmington?  



Having only recently moved from Maryland to Minnesota, I am fairly familiar  
with east coast schools, and Wilmington, NC is no slouch when it comes to  
B-ball. Michael Jordan, I believe, was born and raised there, and the whole area  
is a hot bed of basketball fanatics.
Don Williams C55
From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 14:51:28 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 15:04:41 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
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To address some of Harry's points: 
 
"But one has to look at our overall record and graduation rates as being the key measurement of his success or not--and as  has been hashed about before, Walker passes here."
 
Overall record, 36-45 through 7 seasons, 9 games under .500.  It had been observed before that almost no D-I coaches were as many games under .500 after as many as 7 seasons.  About the only two I could recall were Ken Hatfield of Rice (34-42-1 through 7, 54-68-1 through 2004) and Dan McCarney at Iowa State (29-50 through 7, 45-72 through last year).
 
Graduation Rate, the NU web site popularizes the AFCA Academic Achievement Award.  The Big Ten schools have only participated in this award since 1998.  NU has won the 100% honor 4 times (1998, Gary Barnett, and 2002, 2004 and 2005 Randy Walker).  In 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2003 they were in the 'Honorable Mention' category (70% or greater graduation).  I would characterize this measure as a 'bare minimum' requirement to coach at Northwestern, and I would credit the Academic and Student Services Staff for achieving these kind of results across ALL athletic programs, so I would not give the football coach too much of the credit here.
 
"On top of that would we as alums feel good, that in order to acheive the lofty goal, we probably would have to spend a ton of money on a football coach and staff  salaries?  I for one think it would send the wrong message about what NU is about --academics first."
 
While the University does not say much about their coaches salaries, we can safely assume that it is in a range of his Big Ten peers (Ferentz, $500,000 base, Carr $300,000+ base).  We are probably, by definition, spending a ton of money on football coach and staff salaries (or else we would not have any football coaches).  And don't forget that, in August, the University wrote a check for $16 MILLION to settle the wrongful death claim of a football player - money that could have paid the full $29,940 2004-2005 NU tuition for 534 students.
 
"yes on average we will be in the middle of the pack under Walker"
 
Under Walker, our 7 finishes have been 10th, 1st, 10th, 10th, 7th, 4th and 5th, for a mean finish of 6.7 and a median finish of 7th - more toward the lower end of the pack.  What Walker would have to prove is that the 4th and 5th place finishes the last two years were his doing, or just the good fortune of having Bret Basanez around.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 



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Well I am sure John's note will elicit a lot of responses including mine.

A few thoughts--

Walker is not a player's coach --and I am not sure how much any school wants 
a player's coach--particularly with the NU football player, who on average is 
more intelligent than the average NCAA football player. They probably more 
than others understand that not everyone is goinhg to love his coach.  

I think John is right that Walker and NU had had a lot of luck the past 
several years-(Mich 2000, Iowa 2005,OSU 2004 to name a few) and with a few plays 

going the other way we could easily have been  at 4-7 some of the bowl years 
under Walker.  While some games have gone the other way, (PSU 2005 quickly comes 

to mind), it seems with have had more of the former than the latter. 

Yes our defense and special teams have been our weak spots under Walker and 
of course it would be great to improve there.  But one has to look at our 
overall record and graduation rates as being the key measurement of his success 
or 
not--and as  has been hashed about before, Walker passes here.

It would be great to go to a good name bowl every year, but I am skepitcal if 
that is an acheivable goal.  It is a worthy goal , but extraordinary tough 
when if you don't finish in the top 3 or 4 in the conference it won't happen. 
When you have OSU , Mich and PSU in the conference it is tough to consistently 
surpass Minn, Wisc, and Iowa And the recent also rans of MSU, Ill and Purdue do 
not sit quietly.  On top of that would we as alums feel good, that in order 
to acheive the lofty goal, we probably would have to spend a ton of money on a 
football coach and staff  salaries?  I for one think it would send the wrong 
message about what NU is about --academics first.


In short , yes on average we will be in the middle of the pack under Walker- 
or probably any coach (remember if they get good they leave for more money or 
more opportunity to win big --ala Ara, Agase and,Barnett-) but this should 
allow us to go to a name bowl every few years and a lesser name bowl in others-I 

can be happy with that- (Maybe I am biased because i was at NU in the late 
70's early 80's when going -1-10 and 0-11 and getting blown out every game by 
half time was the norm-)

-Now if we could only make the NCAA's in hoops ... 

Harry


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From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 15:14:24 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 15:15:51 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Expectations for our football team
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Two points:
 
"He also seem's smart enough that he will try to solve the problems on kick coverage and defense."
 
The problems have existed for 7 years of the Walker regime - when does his solution kick in ?
 
"I do wonder if we will always have some trouble on defense."
 
As we will all recall, we had one of the nations best defenses (ranked #1 one year, I believe) under Ron Vanderlinden and Gary Barnett.  So we know it can be done.  It just isn't being done now.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85

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I am certainly not an expert on football, but I do qualify as a long time Cat 
fan as Ara was coach when I was there.  First I would agree that we cannot 
expect to frequently compete for the national championship.  Once in a great 
while when everything falls into place it could happen,  but usually the 
football factories have a built in advantage.  We can expect to have a winning 
record except when we are hit real hard with injuries.  I don't think we can 
expect NU to have the depth that UM or OSU has.  We can also expect to often 
compete for the Big10 championship.  I believe the RW can do this.  He's shown 
that he is flexible enough to adapt to the athletes he has, rather than force 
those same athletes to adopt his system.  He also seem's smart enough that he 
will try to solve the problems on kick coverage and defense.  His main weakness 
seems to be too much loyalty to his assistants.  I expect that he will address 
that problem.  I certainly would not be in favor of bringin!
 g in some other coach who would want to impose his "system" on our team.

I do wonder if we will always have some trouble on defense.  When you are on 
offense you get to dictate the flow of the game.  Smart plays and smart players 
can often overcome deficiences in talent.  When you're on defense you have to 
react to what the other offense does and playing smart can't always overcome the 
athleticism of the opposition.



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From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Wed Nov 16 15:08:47 2005
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Wed Nov 16 15:16:27 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] basketball futility
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE87D@goose.latimes.com>

Another interesting thread, I hope, for everyone...
 I grant that North Carolina is basketball central and hope Don and others will be able to see my point because it builds off his well-taken observation.
 My take: I also grant that it's early in the season and that it may seem logically unfair to judge a team in March by what happens in November. Except that the NCAA tournament selection committee does. Because it's all about wins and losses, and who those wins are over. And if Wilmington is/is going to be that good, a win would have been damn good for our chances of making the tournament.
 Sorry to all for being blunt but, especially with the basketball program and a lifetime of futility verging on mediocrity, I am sick and tired of rationalizing losses, even losses to good teams.
 We must expect victory.
 Alan 
 

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In a message dated 11/16/2005 1:52:28 PM Central Standard Time, Alan.Abrahamson@latimes.com writes:

I applaud the wins over Leigh and Charlotte. But losing to Wilmington? 


Having only recently moved from Maryland to Minnesota, I am fairly familiar with east coast schools, and Wilmington, NC is no slouch when it comes to B-ball. Michael Jordan, I believe, was born and raised there, and the whole area is a hot bed of basketball fanatics.
Don Williams C55

From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 15:26:32 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 15:27:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] basketball futility
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An odd second sentence from the Tribune.  We could be completing our third milenium of basketball, and the lack of an NCAA appearance would be no more remarkable - the NCAA tournament has only been conducted since 1939 (at our old Patten Gym), and has only been the obviously superior tournament since about 1950 or 51.
 
Chuck Herron  Tech '85
 
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Sent: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:42:56 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] basketball futility


 This sentence from this morning's Tribune says it all:
 "Under Carmody, the Wildcats' 29-31 record the last two seasons is their best 
two-year stretch since Rich Falk's teams went 32-36, including an NIT berth, 
from 1982 to '84."
 Just to pile on, this sentence, from later in the story: "Northwestern is 
beginning its second century of basketball, still looking for its first NCAA 
tourney berth."
 Ugh.
 Yech.
 Ptooey.
 It is abominable that we have been so bad, and for so long.  
 What's fair for the goose, etc.: I do not think it the least bit unreasonable 
to hold the men's basketball team to the same expectation as the fb team. (In 
this case, however, I mean the bb version of eight or nine wins -- like, 20. I 
don't literally mean eight or nine!)
 I readily, happily concede that the team seems to be getting better under 
Carmody.
 Let me just say, however, that I expect them to make the NCAA tourney. It's 
about time. And this is the team -- with seven seniors.
 I applaud the wins over Leigh and Charlotte. But losing to Wilmington? 
 
 

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 16 15:32:52 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Wed Nov 16 15:36:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
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Freedom of speech aside, I am stunned that some folks would choose this as the time to talk about a new coach.  We're going to a bowl game, for Christ's sake!  A lot of the same people on this list picked us to go 2-9 before the season began.  Walker has done a helluva job.

Some folks suggest that Bienen and Walker go find some young stud to take over as head coach.  Other than Fitgerald, if we were to bring in anyone who were to have success at NU, that person would then be looking over his shoulder at "better" opportunities -- just like Barnett.

Walker came here and, from day one, he said he wasn't the kind of guy who be looking for another job.  I believed him then, and I believe him now.  Okay, we got blown out by Ohio State.  C'mon --we had just won four of our previous five games!  Before the season, folks looking at our schedule could see that we faced a monster set of six games -- Wisconsin, Purdue, MSU, Michigan, Iowa  and Ohio State.  We won four of those six -- and some people here are complaining?!  

Well, not me.  Sure, I'd like to compete for the Big Ten championship more often.  But I definitely also didn't like the fact that, for most of the 90's through 2002, we were either finishing in first place or 10th place.  I wanted to have us have more consistency, so that we could have a chance to reach some kind of bowl each year.  Well, for the last three seasons, we've done that.  Hail to Purple, Hail to White, and praise to Randy Walker.

Jim Bendat

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 15:26:17 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 15:39:13 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
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Let me clarify a few things--If we were to find a coach who could 
consistently win with the tough academic standards that we have, we would likely have to 
pay a ton of money for he and his staff to retain them --(That is, they would 
be considered top coaching prospects and likely hot commodities for major 
programs where they would get waved a lot of money at them-to move -does this 
sound familiar  ?--read GB) I don't want us to be at the top of charts for 
coaches' salaries.

If Basanez is in fact the key reason for two 5-3 years in Conf (hopefully !), 
RW should get credit for recruiting him (or under his direction). 

Us Techies such as Chuck can argue what is middle of the pack--6.7 out of 11 
in my mind is middle of the pack--as it is in the middle third--but to each 
their own-- 

While I am in no position to know, I strongly suspect NU did not pay out $16 
MM --I assume we had some insurance which probably picked up a good portion of 
it 

But back to the underlying question--should NU keep RW or not ?--Well the 
answer should be no if you think you can find someone who will do a better 
job--hey I like the idea of Fitz down the road--exemplifies all of the wonderful 
things NU athletics stand for--but tell me who do you think we could get right 
now  to improve our performance and be willing to pay his market value 
?--Remember if they are that good, they are probably going to leave for either more 
money or more opportunity to win soon after they become known.

Harry
From NUMBalum78 at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 17:40:24 2005
From: NUMBalum78 at aol.com (NUMBalum78@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 17:44:18 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <1f3.1727bbe1.30ad1d68@aol.com>

Chuck, 

I don't believe your statement below is factually accurate.   In all the 
press reports I read, it was Northwestern's INSURANCE companies who were prepared 
to write the $16 million settlement check -- not NU itself.  It's not as if 
the university had a $16 million pot of money that could be spent however NU 
wished.  

In addition, I have seen no evidence that a $16 million check was written 
back in August when the settlement offer was made.  The settlement is being 
challenged in court by Linda Will and to the best of my knowledge has not been 
finalized -- hence no check.  

Based on the facts as I understand them, your statement is inaccurate and 
misleading. 

Lee


In a message dated 11/16/2005 4:06:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
cherron604@aol.com writes:
And don't forget that, in August, the University wrote a check for $16 
MILLION to settle the wrongful death claim of a football player - money that could 
have paid the full $29,940 2004-2005 NU tuition for 534 students.
From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Nov 16 16:43:48 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Nov 16 17:46:57 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Walker's salary
In-Reply-To: <158.5c50cc3d.30acfdf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0da101c5eaff$3570c470$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

 
Harry,

Sorry I have to pick on you again, but we ARE paying a lot of money to RW.

The daily lists Walker's salary at $602,887

Lloyd Carr's salary is half that much at UoM, but his total package is
estimated to be between $1M and $1.5M.

Barnett makes $1.6M a year (including slush funds) but his salary is only
$200K.  Ron Zook has a similar package.

Tressel is at a similar salary as Carr but his total package may be closer
to $2M.  

Ferentz comes the closest in salary at $582,800 with a total package in the
same $1.5 - $2M range.

I don't have numbers on all of the BT coaches, but in terms of salary Walker
seems the highest paid.  It is certainly possible that he doesn't make as
much in terms of total package and so the board feels that they have to make
some of that up in salary because he doesn't have some of the big
endorsement and personal appearance opportunities that the much bigger
schools have.  But all of the "extra" money for these other coaches isn't
coming out of the athletic department budget either.  It is whatever is
considered their fair share of revenue that they are generating for the
school.  

So don't claim that RW is here because we can't afford any better.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Hakirsch@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 4:26 PM
To: CHerron604@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings

Let me clarify a few things--If we were to find a coach who could
consistently win with the tough academic standards that we have, we would
likely have to pay a ton of money for he and his staff to retain them
--(That is, they would be considered top coaching prospects and likely hot
commodities for major programs where they would get waved a lot of money at
them-to move -does this sound familiar  ?--read GB) I don't want us to be at
the top of charts for coaches' salaries.

If Basanez is in fact the key reason for two 5-3 years in Conf (hopefully
!), RW should get credit for recruiting him (or under his direction). 

Us Techies such as Chuck can argue what is middle of the pack--6.7 out of 11
in my mind is middle of the pack--as it is in the middle third--but to each
their own-- 

While I am in no position to know, I strongly suspect NU did not pay out $16
MM --I assume we had some insurance which probably picked up a good portion
of it 

But back to the underlying question--should NU keep RW or not ?--Well the
answer should be no if you think you can find someone who will do a better
job--hey I like the idea of Fitz down the road--exemplifies all of the
wonderful things NU athletics stand for--but tell me who do you think we
could get right now  to improve our performance and be willing to pay his
market value ?--Remember if they are that good, they are probably going to
leave for either more money or more opportunity to win soon after they
become known.

Harry
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 18:33:23 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 18:37:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <1f3.1727bbe1.30ad1d68@aol.com>
References: <1f3.1727bbe1.30ad1d68@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C7B925A6EE6E1A-15DC-2CB6@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com>

>From the Associated Press (via the Northwest Herald Online Edition, Aug 16, 2005)
 
"By DON BABWIN
The Associated Press 
CHICAGO ? A Cook County judge approved a $16 million settlement of a lawsuit on Monday that calls for Northwestern University to pay the family of a football player who collapsed and died during practice four years ago."
 
Note that it says 'calls for Northwestern University to pay the family'.
 
A little further down:
 
"Cubbage said the school is "reviewing its options in regard to the portion of the lawsuit between Northwestern and the supplement manufacturers." 
Insurance will cover Northwestern's portion of the settlement, said Cubbage, who wouldn't elaborate." 
 
So strictly speaking, an insurance company (and potentially some supplement manufacturers) will write checks.  But insurance companies don't just swallow hard and sign - a $16 million dollar settlement will hit the University in higher premiums and added costs elsewhere.
 
A basic reading of the Associated Press story, however, states that Northwestern will pay the family.  That they choose to do it by way of insurance and claims against supplement makers does not change the essential nature of that first line - that Northwestern is paying.
 
As a graduate and contributor, I would prefer to see the University's money going to educational purposes - not to insurance companies (through higher premiums, or added cost to self-insure), or additional litigation against manufacturers of supplements.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
  
-----Original Message-----
From: NUMBalum78
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 6:40:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings


Chuck, 
 
I don't believe your statement below is factually accurate.   In all the press reports I read, it was Northwestern's INSURANCE companies who were prepared to write the $16 million settlement check -- not NU itself.  It's not as if the university had a $16 million pot of money that could be spent however NU wished.  
 
In addition, I have seen no evidence that a $16 million check was written back in August when the settlement offer was made.  The settlement is being challenged in court by Linda Will and to the best of my knowledge has not been finalized -- hence no check.  
 
Based on the facts as I understand them, your statement is inaccurate and misleading. 
 
Lee
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2005 4:06:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, cherron604@aol.com writes:
And don't forget that, in August, the University wrote a check for $16 MILLION to settle the wrongful death claim of a football player - money that could have paid the full $29,940 2004-2005 NU tuition for 534 students.
From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Wed Nov 16 18:39:50 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (prplehaze@insightbb.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 18:40:37 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Walker's salary
Message-ID: <111720050039.24301.437BD1560002543800005EED21979128020A960E080A049F9D9F@insightbb.com>

Jeff,
I think your facts are a bit mixed up.  The fact that the rest of the Big 10
coaches "salary" are low and the rest of their compensation is high has more to
do with the nature of the institutions at which they work then anything else. 
>From what I know about most public universities and big time athletic programs,
the salary paid to coaches may be paid by the school, while the rest of the
compensation is paid by the athletic department, which is often a separately
chartered association into which all athletic generated revenue goes.  That
includes ticket, tv, conference revenue sharing, fund-raising and sponsorship.
The practical reality is it makes little difference how it is paid to the coach
and ultimately the school is likely on the hook for all of it.  There is still a
big difference between the $600,000 Walker is getting and the $1.5 and up that
the rest of the conference coaches are getting.
Mark
--
Mark Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com


>  
> Harry,
> 
> Sorry I have to pick on you again, but we ARE paying a lot of money to RW.
> 
> The daily lists Walker's salary at $602,887
> 
> Lloyd Carr's salary is half that much at UoM, but his total package is
> estimated to be between $1M and $1.5M.
> 
> Barnett makes $1.6M a year (including slush funds) but his salary is only
> $200K.  Ron Zook has a similar package.
> 
> Tressel is at a similar salary as Carr but his total package may be closer
> to $2M.  
> 
> Ferentz comes the closest in salary at $582,800 with a total package in the
> same $1.5 - $2M range.
> 
> I don't have numbers on all of the BT coaches, but in terms of salary Walker
> seems the highest paid.  It is certainly possible that he doesn't make as
> much in terms of total package and so the board feels that they have to make
> some of that up in salary because he doesn't have some of the big
> endorsement and personal appearance opportunities that the much bigger
> schools have.  But all of the "extra" money for these other coaches isn't
> coming out of the athletic department budget either.  It is whatever is
> considered their fair share of revenue that they are generating for the
> school.  
> 
> So don't claim that RW is here because we can't afford any better.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 18:52:44 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 18:54:02 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Walker's salary
Message-ID: <19e.411cfa1d.30ad2e5c@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/16/2005 4:41:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
prplehaze@insightbb.com writes:

> Jeff,
> I think your facts are a bit mixed up.  The fact that the rest of the Big 10
> coaches "salary" are low and the rest of their compensation is high has more 
> to
> do with the nature of the institutions at which they work then anything 
> else. 
> >From what I know about most public universities and big time athletic 
> programs,
> the salary paid to coaches may be paid by the school, while the rest of the
> compensation is paid by the athletic department, which is often a separately
> chartered association into which all athletic generated revenue goes.  That
> includes ticket, tv, conference revenue sharing, fund-raising and 
> sponsorship.
> The practical reality is it makes little difference how it is paid to the 
> coach
> and ultimately the school is likely on the hook for all of it.  There is 
> still a
> big difference between the $600,000 Walker is getting and the $1.5 and up 
> that
> the rest of the conference coaches are getting.
> Mark
> --
> Mark Ament
> 

Yes and I think the likely scenario is that if we were to have a very 
successful coach like Barnet , they would leave if they didn't get a package close to 
what to what they could get elsewhere--If that would be $1.5 MM , and  the NU 
 environment doesn't offer a lot of potential extras (TV program/Camps , 
etc), then we would have to pay a lot of money to keep him--and I for one am 
opposed to  that because of what message it sends about our priorities. Which gets 
me back to my original point --We should keep  a guy who delivers middle of 
the pack  aggreagte results--with an occasional BT Championship  and big name 
bowl, mixed in with several lesser rate bowls.  

Harry
From BSchooler at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 19:58:31 2005
From: BSchooler at aol.com (BSchooler@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 16 20:11:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <23a.17fecaa.30ad3dc7@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/16/2005 2:34:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
Hakirsch@aol.com writes:

> Again all I am saying is that look at other football programs with similar 
> academic standards have not been consistent top 10 teams--why should we 
> expect 
> us to be any different ?
> 

Because Northwestern expects "excellence" in everything it does, including 
football. A Northwestern education should be an asset during the recruiting 
process; not a liability. The average SAT for our football team is still probably 
a little under 1,100; second only to Stanford's. That means our pool of 
qualified student athletes is plenty big enough to get the athletes, not 
overachivers, who can comprise "consistent top 10 teams".

Duke has a basketball program that fields "consistent top 10 teams". Stanford 
wins the Sears Cup annually; an award that goes to the best overall Division 
1A athletic program. Certainly Stanford fields "consistent top 10 teams". 
Northwestern won the women's Lacrosse National Championship. So Amonte-Hiller has 
fielded "consistent top 10 teams". And Northwestern football was a top ten 
team in 1995; so why can't that happen consistently? It's a matter of 
expectations. And Northwestern expects excellence in everything it does. Football should 
be no different. It can be done. It has been done. I agree with Alan 
Abrahamson. "Wildcat fans ought to reasonably expect eight or nine wins a year and a 
bowl game without compromising the consistent excellence in academics the 
university has always stood for and must always stand for."

Bob Schooler
 
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 20:17:37 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov 16 20:18:46 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <10056552.1132176773059.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051117021737.43537.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>

> Freedom of speech aside, I am stunned that some
> folks would choose this as the time to talk about a

Oh well - some folks just can't be satisfied I guess.
Whatever works, I guess. But I just think this
celebration of the 1995 Rose Bowl team should put
things in perspective. A decade ago, a bunch of
student athletes came together to remind us what
teamwork can achieve and how great things can happen
when you work together. (My UW alum friend at the
Wisky game where the Rose Bowl team was introduced
remarked "how many of those guys would be recognized
outside of Evanston? I countered with not many would
be recognized *in* Evanston:) ).

Since then, the last decade (11 years - a "Big Ten"
decade) has been a wild ride for NU fans. Three league
championships ... five bowl games ... six seasons of 6
or more wins ... and enough fantastic finishes to last
a lifetime.

> place or 10th place.  I wanted to have us have more
> consistency, so that we could have a chance to reach

There's the big thing that's pleased me about this
season the most -- we're putting together some
consistency. You don't just have three 9-win seasons
in a row, it has to build on something when you're
starting a program from basically scratch. The .500 or
better mark in league play is a big plus to build on
as well.

Had Bates not been hurt in 1997, I think we would have
had that sixth or seventh win and had three straight
bowl seasons. But we didn't and with Barnett's
wanderings, things started to fall apart. Now Walker
has put building blocks in place again and it'll be
interesting to see where we can go from here with --
for the first time in decades -- some foundation to
build on. Next year may be tough replacing leaders
like Baz and McGarrigle, but this extra bowl practice
will help the O-line and Sutton a lot and we can build
on that exciting running game for 2006 and 2007 (maybe
even find a defensive lineman or two as well:) ).

But that's looking ahead a bit -- let's keep Sweet
Sioux and run over the Illini this weekend and then
start preparing for a BOWL GAME VICTORY!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 20:55:50 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov 16 20:56:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <24e.12b14d5.30ac8e55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051117025550.56969.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>

Wow - it's an April Fool's Day joke half a year away.

Did someone really post a call to fire Randy Walker
and we're discussing this on the list in the midst of
a 6-4 season that has us poised for just the sixth
bowl game in school history and the third straight
.500 or better season in conference play?

Amazing. Really - with alums like this, who needs
enemies?:)

I'm not really surprised that in today's instant
gratification age people think you can flip a switch
and go from 2-9 to 10-1 (which has been done) and then
keep the 10-win seasons coming (which has not been
done) and fire anyone who does not instantly turn
around a program.

What does surprise me is that it's the generation of
"hard work" -- one usually griping about kids today
and their lack of knowing what it takes to achieve
something -- that has turned into this trigger-happy
bunch. Incredible!

If it was so easy, wouldn't NU have done it by now? If
it could be done overnight, why wouldn't coaches beat
down the door for the job of coaching an elite private
school with little tradition or facilities to claim
the glory? Why would capable coaches like Ara, Barnett
or anyone in between have tried and failed?

And if this theory -- which I have yet to see done at
any school, yet alone a small, elite private one like
NU -- can hold ... wouldn't the reverse be true?
Wouldn't it be possible for a program that was elite
and a dynasty to crumble overnight since if it's so
easy to win quickly -- wouldn't it be just as easy to
lose quickly? Has that happened anywhere (and I don't
mean a team put on NCAA sanctions ... or one that got
greedy and fired a coach who had 9 wins) for a
consistent period of time?

Well, I guess some will find it odd then that someone
from the "me generation" or "generation X" or whatever
they labeled us will have to remind those in a greater
generation that something that seems too good to be
true usually is. Yes, the overnight success of the
'95-96 Cats was an abberation -- that's a statistical
fact. It was a high surge of dot-com boom followed by
a hefty reality check and the miracle-worker coach
leaving town.

Walker's approach doesn't appear to be about quick
fixes -- it's a  program building strategy for the
long haul and something I'll put a lot more stock and
faith in than the fad-of-the-day coach who will get
his 15 minutes and move on to one of those traditional
powers -- because there IS a pecking order of
tradition you fight in college sports with traditional
powers that's much more entrenched than in pro sports.

Or maybe I'm just looking at the big picture and
seeing it as NOT settling for mediocrity but building
a winner. Changing things up every five years with
highs and (way more) lows would appear to be a much
more likely path for promoting mediocrity -- and worse
-- with Northwestern football.

And enough with the "lucky win" excuse. Hitting a Hail
Mary once is luck -- when you continually come from
behind to win again, it stops being luck and more
about the character of a team. You can't have it both
ways -- not want any "moral victories" and then
complain about lucky wins inflating a record. Sheesh!

Oh well ... maybe I'm just becoming an old fart now.:)

But really guys ... this is just laughable. I guess
about the only thing you can do is laugh when someone
suggests firing a coach when he's about to take a
school somewhere they've only been 5 times before in
their history.

I guess we're all due for an April Fool's laugh early
this year. But with this topic taking up this much
space the week before the Illinois game with a chance
to finish the year 7-4 with a 5-3 league mark? Just
foolish!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Nov 16 22:27:53 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Nov 16 22:33:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Walker's salary
In-Reply-To: <111720050039.24301.437BD1560002543800005EED21979128020A960E080A049F9D9F@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <0e5001c5eb2f$46b8e5c0$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

Mark,

The problem wasn't that I had my facts mixed up.  The problem was that the
site which posted the whole compensation packages for most of the coaches in
the BT, didn't have a post for Walker.

The Walker number from Daily wasn't total compensation.  It was just salary.
I suspect that RW's total compensation is probably around $1M which puts him
right in the mix with everyone else.  As I mentioned in my post, one reason
for the salary being the highest in the BT might be that we just don't have
as many students and alums buying our merchandize every year as the bigger
public schools.

What I was trying to point out is the same thing you said.  There are two
streams of revenue here.  One is coming from the University and is fixed.
The other is variable and is a share of the revenues that are generated by
the Athletic department, or are the result of opportunities he personally
has because he is the head coach at NU.

In this second vein, there may be a hidden cost in Walker's position because
he isn't nearly as high profile in a big media market as many of the other
BT coaches.  Say what you will about Barnett, during '95-'96 he owned
Chicago and made a lot of money for NU.

That said, I am already on record as saying that RW has earned a contract
extension based on the results that he has delivered.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: prplehaze@insightbb.com [mailto:prplehaze@insightbb.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:40 PM
To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com
Cc: Jeff Beamsley; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Walker's salary

Jeff,
I think your facts are a bit mixed up.  The fact that the rest of the Big 10
coaches "salary" are low and the rest of their compensation is high has more
to do with the nature of the institutions at which they work then anything
else. 
>From what I know about most public universities and big time athletic 
>programs,
the salary paid to coaches may be paid by the school, while the rest of the
compensation is paid by the athletic department, which is often a separately
chartered association into which all athletic generated revenue goes.  That
includes ticket, tv, conference revenue sharing, fund-raising and
sponsorship.
The practical reality is it makes little difference how it is paid to the
coach and ultimately the school is likely on the hook for all of it.  There
is still a big difference between the $600,000 Walker is getting and the
$1.5 and up that the rest of the conference coaches are getting.
Mark
--
Mark Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com


>  
> Harry,
> 
> Sorry I have to pick on you again, but we ARE paying a lot of money to RW.
> 
> The daily lists Walker's salary at $602,887
> 
> Lloyd Carr's salary is half that much at UoM, but his total package is 
> estimated to be between $1M and $1.5M.
> 
> Barnett makes $1.6M a year (including slush funds) but his salary is 
> only $200K.  Ron Zook has a similar package.
> 
> Tressel is at a similar salary as Carr but his total package may be 
> closer to $2M.
> 
> Ferentz comes the closest in salary at $582,800 with a total package 
> in the same $1.5 - $2M range.
> 
> I don't have numbers on all of the BT coaches, but in terms of salary 
> Walker seems the highest paid.  It is certainly possible that he 
> doesn't make as much in terms of total package and so the board feels 
> that they have to make some of that up in salary because he doesn't 
> have some of the big endorsement and personal appearance opportunities 
> that the much bigger schools have.  But all of the "extra" money for 
> these other coaches isn't coming out of the athletic department budget 
> either.  It is whatever is considered their fair share of revenue that 
> they are generating for the school.
> 
> So don't claim that RW is here because we can't afford any better.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 

From michael.vance at att.net  Wed Nov 16 23:24:55 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Wed Nov 16 23:33:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's
  shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <20051117025550.56969.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <24e.12b14d5.30ac8e55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051117000816.03e60ab0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

At 11/16/2005 09:55 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote:
>Yes, the overnight success of the
>'95-96 Cats was an abberation -- that's a statistical
>fact.
>
>Walker's approach doesn't appear to be about quick
>fixes -- it's a  program building strategy for the
>long haul

OK, here are two questions for those calling for Walker's head:

1) Which is better, 10-1 or 9-2 for one, maybe two years in a row, followed 
by 3-5 years of records between 1-10 and 3-8, repeated ad infinitum?  Or 
consistently going 6-5 or 7-4 year in, year out?  And no, for the purposes 
of this question, there is no third choice.

2) Do you honestly believe that consistent, high-end (8-3 record minimum, 
but usually 9-2 or better) success in football can be achieved instantly, 
or even in seven years?   OR is it more realistic to expect a 3-5 years of 
6-5, then 3-5 years of 7-4, then 3-5 years of 8-3 until finally you reach 
the consistent Nirvana of 9-2 or better?

I'm not sure what you would call consistent, but when compared against our 
in-league competition -- Michigan, dOSU, Wisconsin, PSU -- we're talking 
about a lot longer than 5-7 years.  And even they have had pitfalls 
lately.  All but Michigan have suffered through non-bowl seasons in recent 
memory.

-Michael 

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 02:23:01 2005
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Nov 17 02:24:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU ranked No. 13 nationally!!!!!
Message-ID: <20051117082301.69655.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com>

... caught you looking!

In wrestling, of course. 

As the list's resident mathead I apologize for the
digression from football with Illinois two days away
(63-10 would be a lovely day),  but NU's
rapidly-improving wrestling team is ranked No. 13 by
Intermat nationally and had a good showing at the
Michigan State open to start the season this weekend.

NU also signed two more solid HS seniors this week --
this is a young team and the future is bright!

NU faces a tough road in the BT -- we may be No. 13
but 5 BT teams are ranked ahead of us. Still, I think
a winning BT season, the first in years, is possible,
and Jake Herbert will be a contender for a national
crown.

This team is getting  better by leaps and bounds every
season and will be fun to watch. If you get the
chance, take in a wrestling match and support a bunch
of Wildcat student-athletes achieving at the highest
level. Go 'Cats!!!

Now, back to your regularly-scheduled football chat
...

Brad Wilson

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 02:36:44 2005
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Nov 17 02:37:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] two steps (sort of) forward, one step back ...
Message-ID: <20051117083644.86176.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com>

... same old NU basketball song.

The win over Charlotte was a terrific win, a win over
a team that should be an A-10 contender. True, it is
the kind of a win other BT teams gain regularly, but
it's progress for the 'Cats. Hurrah!

But (and there's always a but with this bunch)...

Beating Lehigh by two points on a neutral court is an
embarrassment. (Beating Lehigh's naionally-ranked
wrestlers by two would be a great win.) BT teams
should beat Lehigh 100 times out of 100 by 20-25
points on a neutral court. Lehigh is a weak Patriot
League team, a league that until this spring had never
won an NCAA tournament game. One made 3-pointer by
Lehigh and NU was staring at an awful, dreadful,
pathetic loss.

Then in the final, with NU on the verge of an
impressive 3-0 start, the same old story. No offense
other than 3s, no perimeter defense, an inability to
seize control of a winnable game, letting an (at best)
equal team dictate down the stretch ... we have seen
this before. Yes, UNC-Wilm. is a nice team, but,
again, I suggest that every other BT team (except Penn
State) would dispatch the Seahawks by 10-15 points.

So I'm not sold. I want to see a December where the
'Cats crush, maul and claw inferior teams by 20-25
points like they should -- no more squeakers against
stiffs, which, when luck goes the other way, turn into
horrendous losses. I want to see NU march into Seton
Hall, a team in disarray with its coach with one foot
out the door, and win by 15.

Unless December ends with double-digit wins and some
blowouts, this basketball season will be just like the
last few, and the list knows what I thought of those.

It's time for this bunch to get the job done every
night on a consistent basis. Losses are not acceptable
to the kind of kitty litter that sprinkles the
non-league slate. Lackluster 57-52-ish wins over
Northern Colorado and its ilk will turn into 77-52 Big
Ten losses. 

I'm with Alan. Time to produce, hoopsters.

Brad Wilson

 







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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 03:10:10 2005
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Nov 17 03:11:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] armistice!!
Message-ID: <20051117091010.51781.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com>

I propose an armistice on the Randy Walker stays-goes
discussion.

If NU beats Illinois Saturday, I propose there be no
more RW stays-goes talk until after the bowl game.

If NU does not beat Illinois Saturday, the only reason
I won't be writing the first post calling for RW's
head is because I'll have flung myself from the
parapets of Memorial Stadium in anguish and grief
(can't stand Illinois!). If NU loses Saturday I could
live with firing Walker on the spot.

But if NU wins in Chumpbanana, we're 7-4 and bowling
in a year when none but the true prophets, those
touched by the hand of the gods, our own Cassandras
(because nobody listened) among us (was that you Jim
Bendat?) predicted while everybody else was predicting
disaster. 

You can argue how much Walker had to do with that and
how much he didn't, and I suspect we will, but it is
an impressive accomplishment and one all NU fans
should be proud of. We'll have a bowl game to look
forward to, perhaps against a longtime power such as
Tennessee, Florida or UCLA (yikes?). 

I feel, at such a time, the focus here should be on
our student-athletes' accomplishments and successes,
bowl game strategy, and the like, and not on whether a
coach stays or goes. I think those kind of discussions
-- while necessary at times -- will be out of place
during bowl season with a team that went 7-4, 5-3 in
the league (third or fourth). 

Yes, it could have been better, and, yes, the OSU game
was awful, a real downer. 

But I just don't think it's appropriate, given a 7-4
bowl-bound team, to be talking about firing the coach.
It's not fair to Walker and his staff and certainly
not fair to the kids who have given us so many thrills
and so much excitement this fall.

Sure, if the bowl turns into a rerun of the Alamo
debacle, RW-must-go talk is more than appropriate. 

But can't we wait until then for that talk? Now, let's
just take it all in and enjoy the kind of success over
20 years of NU students, alums and fans never dreamed
of?

I am sure friendly and unfriendly fire will shoot down
my armistice before it gets a chance at life. And on a
list dedicated to the exchange of ideas, that's as it
should be, and I in no way wish to silence anybody.
But maybe it has a chance...

Brad Wilson
 







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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 03:36:57 2005
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Nov 17 03:38:05 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] hotels and TV
Message-ID: <20051117093657.4698.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com>

Jim, thanks for the post on Nashville hotels -- this
week, just in case, I made no-cost reservations at
hotels in Nashville, El Paso and Detroit. (The Hampton
Inn on 2330 Elliston Place in Nashville has rooms at
$99 a night).

I would warn that some other Nashville hotels ALREADY
have no rooms, and the ones that did had very high
rates, in the 140's and up, for basic chain hotels. I
should say I was seeking a place in the city and did
not look at the hotels out along I-40 and the like,
which are probably still available. 

Also, many Nashville hotels required a hefty deposit,
sometimes the whole amount of your stay, up front.
(The Hampton Inn did not require any kind of deposit,
just a credit card # which they did not charge.) 

I had no trouble booking nice places at reasonable
rates in Detroit and El Paso but Nashville was already
a minor hassle. I'd advise those who like to stay in
the city, and not by the freeway, to move quickly
should the Purple head to Music City USA. And as Jim
notes, if Tennessee is the foe, I'd move VERY quickly.

But barring a miracle (San Antonio) or disaster (Fort
Worth???) I am all set, for once; usually these bowl
trips are last-minute improvisations (I walked up and
got a room at the LA Hilton on New Year's Eve 1995,
somehow).

On Saturday TV: I believe smaller TV stations in many
markets are broadcasting the NU-Illinois game over the
air; in Philadelphia, WPHL-TV (Ch. 17), for example,
was on the list of clearances I saw. Ditto a station
in Boston. Careful searching of the TV listings may
bring 'Cat fans who cannot witness the slaughter of
the Illini in person a nice surprise.

Go 'Cats!!!

Brad Wilson

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 04:27:38 2005
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Nov 17 04:28:51 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] excellent  point on tradition, Steve
Message-ID: <20051117102738.60597.qmail@web51306.mail.yahoo.com>

In the midst of a generally terrific post, SjT made a
superb point about the importance of tradition in
college football, a point often ignored or underrated.

I started following college football in the early
1970's as the son of a fanatic Penn State booster.
Early on I paid attention nationally. And what did I
see in 1970 or so?

The best team in the East was Penn State. Today, the
best team in the East is ... Penn State.

The best teams in the Midwest were Ohio State and
Michigan and Notre Dame. Today, the best teams in the
Midwest are ... Ohio State and Michigan and Notre
Dame. 

The best team in the old SWC was Texas. Today, the
best team in the old SWC is ... Texas.

The best teams in the PAC-8 were USC and UCLA. Today,
the best teams in the Pac-10 are ... USC and UCLA.

The best teams in the SEC were Alabama, LSU and
Tennessee ... and today the best teams in the SEC are
Alabama, LSU and Georgia/Auburn.

It works pretty well with the bad teams, too; bad then
(Kentucky, Washington State, Wake Forest, Mississippi
State, Rice, Indiana) bad now.

I realize you can't push this too far -- Miami's rise
is an obvious flaw, ditto Arkansas' fall, and I know
some teams have had rises and then falls (hello,
Kansas State) - but you get the idea. As Steve notes,
those that fall from the heights without NCAA
probation (SMU, Alabama) or administration stupidity
(Nebraska) are pretty rare.

As a sportswriter, I see many, many CFB articles from
around the nation, from all sections and conferences,
and almost every Northwestern mention, even
complimentary ones, makes a reference to "traditional
doormat" NU or "traditional Big Ten cellar-dweller" NU
or some such thing. This, despite three BT titles
since 1995 -- more than anybody but Michigan -- and
four bowl games! Just ask Barry Alvarez who's a
doormat, say. But because, from 1974 to 1994 NU was a
laughingstock, we're still the "traditional" doormat.
Heaven help us. This kind of thing does not help
recruiting.

I work with an otherwise bright guy who says teams
like NU and Indiana have "no right" to be good and
when they are they "ruin" his enjoyment of CFB
"because people only care about Penn State, Ohio State
and Michigan, the traditional powers" (as you might
guess he's a PSU fan). 

It takes a very long time in CFB to shake the
deadening hand of tradition. NU may, at last, be
starting to in football. But never undestimate the
power of tradition to help the top teams (Penn State,
say) and hurt the weaker ones in ways you may not
imagine; Coach Roy's theory on why Michigan gets calls
vs. NU ("NU can't be this good") is a good example.  

Brad Wilson  



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From loomis3 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 17 07:40:57 2005
From: loomis3 at sbcglobal.net (Frank F. Loomis III)
Date: Thu Nov 17 07:42:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] armistice!!
In-Reply-To: <20051117091010.51781.qmail@web51304.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051117134057.80416.qmail@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Brad,

For those of us who think win or lose Saturday, RW should go, waiting until after the bowl game to express our whys, likely will be too late. The matter will be moot. 

Logic says in the immediate days following Saturday?s game, the powers to-be will do something about RW?s status. They will not wait until after a bowl game. 

So, for us to be heard, no matter which side we?re on, we need to speak out immediately after the Illinois game.  

Frank Loomis

To: Joe Thiegs, Alan Abrahamson, and Kare Capria, thank you profusely for your kind words of welcome-back. You make this outspoken-old codger feel so good. 

 

Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com> wrote:
I propose an armistice on the Randy Walker stays-goes
discussion.

If NU beats Illinois Saturday, I propose there be no
more RW stays-goes talk until after the bowl game.

If NU does not beat Illinois Saturday, the only reason
I won't be writing the first post calling for RW's
head is because I'll have flung myself from the
parapets of Memorial Stadium in anguish and grief
(can't stand Illinois!). If NU loses Saturday I could
live with firing Walker on the spot.

But if NU wins in Chumpbanana, we're 7-4 and bowling
in a year when none but the true prophets, those
touched by the hand of the gods, our own Cassandras
(because nobody listened) among us (was that you Jim
Bendat?) predicted while everybody else was predicting
disaster. 

You can argue how much Walker had to do with that and
how much he didn't, and I suspect we will, but it is
an impressive accomplishment and one all NU fans
should be proud of. We'll have a bowl game to look
forward to, perhaps against a longtime power such as
Tennessee, Florida or UCLA (yikes?). 

I feel, at such a time, the focus here should be on
our student-athletes' accomplishments and successes,
bowl game strategy, and the like, and not on whether a
coach stays or goes. I think those kind of discussions
-- while necessary at times -- will be out of place
during bowl season with a team that went 7-4, 5-3 in
the league (third or fourth). 

Yes, it could have been better, and, yes, the OSU game
was awful, a real downer. 

But I just don't think it's appropriate, given a 7-4
bowl-bound team, to be talking about firing the coach.
It's not fair to Walker and his staff and certainly
not fair to the kids who have given us so many thrills
and so much excitement this fall.

Sure, if the bowl turns into a rerun of the Alamo
debacle, RW-must-go talk is more than appropriate. 

But can't we wait until then for that talk? Now, let's
just take it all in and enjoy the kind of success over
20 years of NU students, alums and fans never dreamed
of?

I am sure friendly and unfriendly fire will shoot down
my armistice before it gets a chance at life. And on a
list dedicated to the exchange of ideas, that's as it
should be, and I in no way wish to silence anybody.
But maybe it has a chance...

Brad Wilson








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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 08:05:40 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 17 08:09:46 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] armistice!!
Message-ID: <1f9.174815fe.30ade834@aol.com>

It is a good thing I read 900 words a minute with about  100  posts from the 
3 days I was out of town, I agree with those who cut RW some  slack, this is a 
good team, great offense and has been pretty well coached. We  are going 
bowling, so enough said.  For those who want to kill time more  productively check 
out the fabulous Chicago sports photos here, this one with a  NU theme, also 
see the intro by Telender, sounding almost nostalgic for  his CAT time.
_http://www.suntimes.com/photos/galleries/realchicago_sports/1950s/9.html_ 
(http://www.suntimes.com/photos/galleries/realchicago_sports/1950s/9.html) 
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 17 09:01:28 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Nov 17 09:02:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
In-Reply-To: <20051117025550.56969.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c5eb87$c9922e40$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Unfortunately, I've seen this thread building on some of the chats, especially
when NU gets behind and some of the more surly fans start calling for the firing
of everyone, including the waterboy [not the guy on HailToPurple].

However, I am amazed that someone would launch threads calling for  massing
coaching changes [both Basketball and Football] after a loss in a winning
season!

For the record: 
1. Football: [6-4, 4-3, Bowl Eligible] dOSU has one of the best defenses in the
Big 10, as usually, and they were looking at our game this year as a way to
redeem themselves after their loss last year. Besides, how many games have we
ever won in Columbus in the last 50 years? 3?

2. Basketball [2-1] UNCW has been knocking on the door of the NCAAs under their
last two coaches, playing in conferences that only get one seat at the table.
They play in a smaller conference, but their coach has a better record,
including a trip to the dance. Their PG, Goldsberry could probably play, and be
welcome, on any of the other Div I teams in North Carolina.

And the Seahawks could actually be considered a more experienced team, since
many of their kids either remember that NCAA trip or were Juco transfers.

We saw what BC's team can do when we beat Charlotte, who's coach is probably in
more trouble than Carmody right now.

In short, we lost last week to two teams who are playing better right now than
we are.  I've been involved in games that my teams should have won, where we
lost. I've also faced teams that were going to beat us no matter how well we
coached. It happens.

Anyway, I'd hate to read of a top prospect, was high on NU, who decided to go
elsewhere because another team's assistants waved a whole pile of e-mails
calling for Walker's or Carmody's head and bought the argument that they would
not be there for the next 4 years because of "lack of alumni support."

Go Cats - The goal is to Beat the Illini

rsl
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 17 09:12:41 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Nov 17 09:12:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] excellent  point on tradition, Steve
In-Reply-To: <20051117102738.60597.qmail@web51306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c5eb89$5afaf410$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Thanks for the kind words, Brad.

For the record, the "template" theory on NU not getting calls, was originally
advanced here, either back at the end of the Barnett Era, or during Walker's
first year. I just picked it up and keep using it because it seems to be
accurate.

Referees have long memories. They remember penalty filled games during
snowstorms where they'd have preferred being in the University Club sipping
scotch instead of out on the field. NU has a long way go to beat that rep of not
being able to play with the "big boys."

Check out your local HS game some time. See which coach whines at the refs all
the time, then see if they ever get a close call. 

I teach my kids to take one of the refs aside and point out that their opponent
is doing something illegal. We usually get a call from that ref for that
infraction withing a series or two.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wilson
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:28 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] excellent point on tradition, Steve
> 
> 
> In the midst of a generally terrific post, SjT made a
> superb point about the importance of tradition in
> college football, a point often ignored or underrated.
> 
> I started following college football in the early
> 1970's as the son of a fanatic Penn State booster.
> Early on I paid attention nationally. And what did I
> see in 1970 or so?
> 
> The best team in the East was Penn State. Today, the
> best team in the East is ... Penn State.
> 
> The best teams in the Midwest were Ohio State and
> Michigan and Notre Dame. Today, the best teams in the
> Midwest are ... Ohio State and Michigan and Notre
> Dame. 
> 
> The best team in the old SWC was Texas. Today, the
> best team in the old SWC is ... Texas.
> 
> The best teams in the PAC-8 were USC and UCLA. Today,
> the best teams in the Pac-10 are ... USC and UCLA.
> 
> The best teams in the SEC were Alabama, LSU and
> Tennessee ... and today the best teams in the SEC are
> Alabama, LSU and Georgia/Auburn.
> 
> It works pretty well with the bad teams, too; bad then 
> (Kentucky, Washington State, Wake Forest, Mississippi State, 
> Rice, Indiana) bad now.
> 
> I realize you can't push this too far -- Miami's rise
> is an obvious flaw, ditto Arkansas' fall, and I know
> some teams have had rises and then falls (hello,
> Kansas State) - but you get the idea. As Steve notes,
> those that fall from the heights without NCAA
> probation (SMU, Alabama) or administration stupidity
> (Nebraska) are pretty rare.
> 
> As a sportswriter, I see many, many CFB articles from
> around the nation, from all sections and conferences,
> and almost every Northwestern mention, even
> complimentary ones, makes a reference to "traditional
> doormat" NU or "traditional Big Ten cellar-dweller" NU
> or some such thing. This, despite three BT titles
> since 1995 -- more than anybody but Michigan -- and
> four bowl games! Just ask Barry Alvarez who's a
> doormat, say. But because, from 1974 to 1994 NU was a 
> laughingstock, we're still the "traditional" doormat. Heaven 
> help us. This kind of thing does not help recruiting.
> 
> I work with an otherwise bright guy who says teams
> like NU and Indiana have "no right" to be good and
> when they are they "ruin" his enjoyment of CFB
> "because people only care about Penn State, Ohio State
> and Michigan, the traditional powers" (as you might
> guess he's a PSU fan). 
> 
> It takes a very long time in CFB to shake the
> deadening hand of tradition. NU may, at last, be
> starting to in football. But never undestimate the
> power of tradition to help the top teams (Penn State,
> say) and hurt the weaker ones in ways you may not
> imagine; Coach Roy's theory on why Michigan gets calls
> vs. NU ("NU can't be this good") is a good example.  
> 
> Brad Wilson  
> 
> 
> 
> "Entertainment is what which you receive without effort. Art 
> is something where you must make some kind of effort, and you 
> get more than you had before." -- Charles Wuorinen
> 
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> 
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 17 09:17:01 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Nov 17 09:17:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The result of a National Championship
Message-ID: <000e01c5eb89$f5c67c80$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

NU's National Champ Lacrosse team just signed 6 blue chip Lacrosse prospects to
letters of intent to play for NU next year.

The Cats lost 5 Seniors to graduation, the core of the team in the 4 year run to
the championship. The coaches expect these 6 to eventually fill that void.

FWIW - the bright spot is that last year's Tewaaraton runner up will still be
wearing the purple and white.

rsl

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 17 09:22:08 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Nov 17 09:22:10 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Dunbar hits the Nail oln the head
Message-ID: <000f01c5eb8a$acf50480$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>


"It's self-inflicted wounds and the quality of people we're playing," Dunbar
said.[in the Trib today]

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From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Thu Nov 17 09:58:07 2005
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris Patterson)
Date: Thu Nov 17 10:06:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fast-food Football Zealots, a Tradition of their Own
Message-ID: <004001c5eb8f$b53fdfc0$8600a8c0@Audubon.local>

I figure there are 3 or maybe 4 on this list, at most, that think Walker
should be sent packing and that winning happens just because of expectations
and that tradition is just a one season turn-around.
 
Like I'm sure that "just expecting" fast-food junkies to lose weight is all
it takes. And what about those fast-food junkies who for the last decade
have had others expecting them to improve their waistline?  I for one, base
expectations on past performance and on any new information (such as a new
diet - low carb, medical condition or sudden change of life style).
 
And then there is tradition. We're certainly in the season to reflect on it.
Most traditions people savor, I think, have lasted decades and sometimes
generations. But, after one holiday season (or two) of dieting and fitness
success, our "get rich quick" football zealots may all expect our mythical
food junkie to win or place in the local triathalon annually. I'm all for
building new wonderful traditions, but that takes time, perservance and
believe it or not, patience.
 
I'm not sure fast-food junkies will ever listen to the accepted consensus of
diet experts. 
 
It is simple. So simple that it reminds me of that "moron" sports writer
from a few years ago in Chicago. Since he left, I saw him on on ESPN once,
and changed the channel then, ... too. 
 
Chris Patterson
Tech '81
Knoxville, TN
 
Go CATS!
 
 
From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Thu Nov 17 11:28:11 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Thu Nov 17 12:07:04 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fast-food Football Zealots, a Tradition of their Own
In-Reply-To: <004001c5eb8f$b53fdfc0$8600a8c0@Audubon.local>
Message-ID: <0fae01c5eb9c$48d7e0a0$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

I think it is reasonable to EXPECT NU's football coach to put teams on the
field that win more than they lose, graduate at least at the same rate as
the rest of the student body, and stay out of trouble.

I'm not a big RW fan, but he is likely to deliver on these expectations by
the close of this season, so I think he has earned the right to demonstrate
that he can do it again.  

What you are talking about is not expectations.  You are talking about
wishes.  That is having expectations without accountability.  Expectations
with accountability, however, do produce results.  In that regard it IS that
simple.  You get results, you get rewards.  You don't get results, someone
else gets a turn.

So what we are all talking about is whether or not it is reasonable to hold
Coach Walker AND OURSELVES accountable for the things that I've listed above
(or some reasonable variant). 

The way we hold each other accountable is to support RW's continued coaching
when he delivers the results that we expect, and call for his replacement if
he proves he can't deliver the results that we expect.  

Now everyone is going to go off on this particular point and use the Frank
Solich example and express their own opinions about whether or not this was
reasonable.  I think his firing was a perfect example of how a program with
high expectations reacts to results below their expectations.  It may be
ugly, precipitous, and unfair; but everyone involved in that program knows
what is expected of them.  Callahan knows that he has to prove he can
contend for a national title.  Winning more than they lose is not good
enough for Nebraska fans. 

On the more fundamental question, I believe that improvement in NU football
REQUIRES a fan base that EXPECTS the team to win and, just like Nebraska,
holds the coach accountable for that expectation.  IMHO, that is the core of
a winning tradition.  

Right now, some portion of the NU fan base wishes for a winning team, but
doesn't really EXPECT it because (we're too small, we're too exclusive,
takes time to win, insert your favorite excuse). IMHO, that is why,
regardless of recent history, we are perceived as having a losing tradition.


I can't speak for others on this list that feel we need a coaching change
now, but I think it may be born of frustration because of their very high
expectations.  I have a hard time criticizing someone who expects the sort
of results that many others here are only willing to wish for.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Patterson
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:58 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Fast-food Football Zealots, a Tradition of their Own

I figure there are 3 or maybe 4 on this list, at most, that think Walker
should be sent packing and that winning happens just because of expectations
and that tradition is just a one season turn-around.
 
Like I'm sure that "just expecting" fast-food junkies to lose weight is all
it takes. And what about those fast-food junkies who for the last decade
have had others expecting them to improve their waistline?  I for one, base
expectations on past performance and on any new information (such as a new
diet - low carb, medical condition or sudden change of life style).
 
And then there is tradition. We're certainly in the season to reflect on it.
Most traditions people savor, I think, have lasted decades and sometimes
generations. But, after one holiday season (or two) of dieting and fitness
success, our "get rich quick" football zealots may all expect our mythical
food junkie to win or place in the local triathalon annually. I'm all for
building new wonderful traditions, but that takes time, perservance and
believe it or not, patience.
 
I'm not sure fast-food junkies will ever listen to the accepted consensus of
diet experts. 
 
It is simple. So simple that it reminds me of that "moron" sports writer
from a few years ago in Chicago. Since he left, I saw him on on ESPN once,
and changed the channel then, ... too. 
 
Chris Patterson
Tech '81
Knoxville, TN
 
Go CATS!
 
 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 12:47:35 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 17 12:49:08 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <154.5ccd12ba.30ae2a47@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/16/2005 5:58:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, B Schooler 
writes:

> Because Northwestern expects "excellence" in everything it does, including 
> football. A Northwestern education should be an asset during the recruiting 
> process; not a liability. The average SAT for our football team is still 
> probably a little under 1,100; second only to Stanford's. That means our pool of 
> qualified student athletes is plenty big enough to get the athletes, not 
> overachivers, who can comprise "consistent top 10 teams".
> 
> Duke has a basketball program that fields "consistent top 10 teams". 
> Stanford wins the Sears Cup annually; an award that goes to the best overall 
> Division 1A athletic program. Certainly Stanford fields "consistent top 10 teams". 
> Northwestern won the women's Lacrosse National Championship. So Amonte-Hiller 
> has fielded "consistent top 10 teams". And Northwestern football was a top 
> ten team in 1995; so why can't that happen consistently? It's a matter of 
> expectations. And Northwestern expects excellence in everything it does. Football 
> should be no different. It can be done. It has been done. I agree with Alan 
> Abrahamson. "Wildcat fans ought to reasonably expect eight or nine wins a year 
> and a bowl game without compromising the consistent excellence in academics 
> the university has always stood for and must always stand for."
> 
> Bob Schooler
> 

B-ball is  a  lot different--if you recruit a few top guys , you can be  top 
ten, not football- you need a lot more players and a lot more depth, since 
they get injured a heck of a lot more

All i can say is good luck for NU being THE exception in football--Stanford 
has great weather and can't recruit the guys to be  consistently in the top 10 
, Vandy can't do it--Rice can't , Tulane can't -I suppose if we wanted to 
spend top $ and had a huge coaching name,  and terrific  athletic facilities we 
might--but I don't want to have NU spend money like the big time programs--it is 
inconsistent with NU's values-- Also remember Stanford even had Bill Walsh a 
second time after he became a legend and they went nowhere

Harry
From DPENDERG at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 13:33:24 2005
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 17 13:46:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fast-food Football Zealots, a Tradition of their Own
Message-ID: <1f9.17510345.30ae3504@aol.com>

I've digested with interest all of the messages back and forth speculating  
about Randy's future, but while I share some concerns about his  shortcomings, 
it is actually just a meaningless academic exercise,  frankly.  Every signal 
I've picked up is that Bienen and Murphy really  like Randy Walker and their 
views are what count.  Coming off a  winning season and entering the final year 
of his contract, let's just get over  it and hope that he does something 
before next season to remedy the special  team/defense problems as well as to 
improve recruiting. I hope  that we'll see some coaching changes on the defensive 
side of the ball.   There is simply no excuse to be consistently near the 
bottom of Division  I-A football.  
 
I agree that alumni should expect and advocate something better  than 
mediocrity. At the same time,  as the only private, selective  university in the Big 
Ten, we never will enjoy the advantages of such programs  as UM, OSU, PSU or 
Iowa.  That fact only requires, however, a head coach  with unique qualities 
appropriate to the NU situation.  Is Randy Walker  that coach?  I think the 
record is mixed and the jury needs to wait until  his contract comes up for 
renewal, although it would not surprise me at all  right now if he stays, especially 
if he manages another winning season next  year. 
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 17:19:17 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 17 17:23:15 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
Message-ID: <255.16138ba.30ae69f5@aol.com>

 
B. Schooler writes:
> Because Northwestern expects "excellence"  in everything it does, including 
> football. A Northwestern education  should be an asset during the 
recruiting 
 
Maybe because I just got back from a consulting gig and my marketing  
synapses are working overtime I feel that our athletic department  misses  the point 
that Bob makes clear.

 
We are not Tulane (where my ex-wife worked 15 years), Rice, Vandy,  or even 
Stanford. NU is so much more. We are a top 10 National University, first  in 
business (Kellogg), with a journalism school that in one year can turn out  Alan 
and his little known classmates Wilbon and Brennen.  Maybe I am  missing our 
marketing message but instead of being a "worst team of all time"  candidate 
making good, we should spend a couple bucks to promote the CATS!! as a  miracle 
team of winners from a world class university that can compete in a  cesspool 
of college football (think SEC) athletics and still win. With the  brainpower 
we have and the scribes, kids will flock to our pied piper of  educational 
and athletic glory.
From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 17 20:19:22 2005
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Thu Nov 17 20:19:41 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <255.16138ba.30ae69f5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV156464C9CAFB59B5D2B6FD8A5E0@phx.gbl>

-----Original Message-----
MHRJGScott@aol.com writes
>We are not Tulane (where my ex-wife worked 15 years), Rice, Vandy,  or even

>Stanford. NU is so much more.


Agree with you on these first three, but Stanford presents an interesting
comparison.  Let's park on them for a moment, and consider what the Stanford
football program has going for it.

For starters, Stanford University is on everyone's list of the top 5
all-around universities in the country, right up there with Harvard and
Princeton.  Stanford also has great weather, and an ideal location on the
West Coast.

Most importantly, Stanford's institutional commitment to athletics is
unsurpassed.  The administration does NOT accept mediocrity in athletics, as
their standings in the Sears Cup every year will attest: they have won for
*11* consecutive years, and counting.  This I find utterly amazing.

Stanford has just about every advantage a private school could have.  And
how competitive is the Stanford football program?  Well, I compiled this
data after last season, and found that over the past 20 seaons (1985-2004),
Stanford football is 107-117-4, with a 73-85-2 record in the Pac-10.

Think about that...all these advantages, and Stanford manages an average of
only 5.4 wins per season, and only 3.7 wins against their conference foes,
who we all know are a lesser bunch than our B10 compadres.  And Stanford's
success has been pretty even over the past 20 years; their averages over the
last 10 years are identical.

Perhaps, in light of this, RW's accomplishments don't seem that bad.

Regards-
Art Miller

P.S. For the record, here are some other stats:

Duke 1985-2004
69-153-2 overall (3.5 wins/season)
33-120-1 ACC (1.7 wins/season)

Vanderbilt 1985-2004
56-165-1 overall (2.5 wins/season)
20-129-1 SEC (1.0 win/season) <- ouch!





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 17 20:49:11 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Nov 17 20:49:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV156464C9CAFB59B5D2B6FD8A5E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000701c5ebea$a7f9ae80$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Standord does well in ghe Sears Cup by playing a lot more sports than we do...

rsl

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> 
> Most importantly, Stanford's institutional commitment to 
> athletics is unsurpassed.  The administration does NOT accept 
> mediocrity in athletics, as their standings in the Sears Cup 
> every year will attest: they have won for
> *11* consecutive years, and counting.  This I find utterly amazing.

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 21:07:37 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Nov 17 21:08:49 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV156464C9CAFB59B5D2B6FD8A5E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051118030738.17736.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com>

> Most importantly, Stanford's institutional
> commitment to athletics is
> unsurpassed.  The administration does NOT accept
> mediocrity in athletics, as
> their standings in the Sears Cup every year will

How many sports does Stanford field compared to NU? I
believe they are able to offer more because of their
weather/location and they excell in a lot of the minor
sports, leading to that Sears Cup.

But aside from that, I think one of my points got lost
in the old-fart rant the other day:) ... I don't
believe that Mark Murphy or NU *are* accepting
mediocrity or that the NU alums are accepting it.
We've gone out and hired solid coaches who seem to fit
well in our program and situation and now we're
building winning programs at the football and
basketball level -- places where NU has very little to
build on.

It seems to me that our mediocrity would be much more
assured if we went with the instant-gratification
route and fired someone if they can't deliver 10 wins
every other year. That's a sure recipe for failure as
a football program is just not something you can build
overnight.

So I guess I'm saying that keeping Walker is NOT
accepting mediocrity, but a smart move toward building
a consistent winning program at NU. Look at the 7
years so far ...

1999-2000: Taking over for GB, winning with GB's
recruits in '00
2001: A major setback after the Wheeler tragedy, a
season interrupted by 9/11 and losing an O.C. to O.U.
after it's done
2002: Starting over - different Walker, different
approach and his recruits are starting to get into the
system
2003-2005: A three-year span of winning that hasn't
been seen in decades at this school - two bowl games,
two straight winning records in a pretty tough
conference, a solid building block for the future

This is the best position the program has been at in
half a century at least -- it certainly stands to
reason that the man who did it should be given the
chance to take it to the next level and build on the
foundation for the next five years.

So it's NOT accepting mediocrity -- with Walker
clearly wanting to stay here, it's the best chance
we've had yet to build a program that consistently
wins and competes for the Big Ten title. The facts are
that NU *is* different than most schools and we don't
want that to change. And hopefully we know that
something worth having takes hard work -- losing
records for the early years are something you'll find
when you build a program from the ground up. This is
not mediocrity, this is a smart plan for the future.

> Well, I compiled this
> data after last season, and found that over the past
> 20 seaons (1985-2004),
> Stanford football is 107-117-4, with a 73-85-2
> record in the Pac-10.

Interesting. Gasp! A losing record - time to pull the
trigger!:)

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE ILLINI!!!
-SjT

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From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 17 21:43:28 2005
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Thu Nov 17 21:43:47 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
In-Reply-To: <000701c5ebea$a7f9ae80$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV186A72C4AD2D775AA044738A5E0@phx.gbl>

C'mon Roy, you can't dismiss them that easily.  The directors cup only
accrues points in a maximum of 10 men's & 10 women's sports anyway.

Last year, while we were thrilling to our first national championship in any
sport in 50 years, "Stanford won...national championships in women's
volleyball and women's tennis and was the runner-up in men's water polo and
men's swimming. The Cardinal placed eight additional teams in the top 10."

http://nacda.collegesports.com/sports/directorscup/spec-rel/062905aaa.html

My point (SjT) in all this is not to say that NU tolerates mediocrity.  On
the contrary, NU becoming a top-tier football program is going to require a
lot more than just expecting excellence and finding the right head coach.
The cards are simply stacked against a school like NU or Stanford in more
ways than we can imagine.

NOW, if we were to form our own football conference with Stanford, Vandy,
Duke, Wake, Rice, and maybe a couple service academies, then the playing
field would be leveled significantly.  But that's a discussion for another
day.

-Art Miller



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:49 PM
To: 'Arthur Miller'; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings

Standord does well in ghe Sears Cup by playing a lot more sports than we
do...

rsl

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> 
> Most importantly, Stanford's institutional commitment to 
> athletics is unsurpassed.  The administration does NOT accept 
> mediocrity in athletics, as their standings in the Sears Cup 
> every year will attest: they have won for
> *11* consecutive years, and counting.  This I find utterly amazing.


From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 22:57:30 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 17 23:01:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5eb87$c9922e40$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <8C7BA13B708EF7F-1C20-2881@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>

Two points:
 
Roy said:
 
"Anyway, I'd hate to read of a top prospect, was high on NU, who decided to go
elsewhere because another team's assistants waved a whole pile of e-mails
calling for Walker's or Carmody's head and bought the argument that they would
not be there for the next 4 years because of "lack of alumni support."

D-I recruits are intelligent young men, and the ones that we are going after are, I would hazard to guess, a bunch of very intelligent young men.  Include Internet savvy, and pretty wise in the ways of the world.  If a John L Smith, Lloyd Carr or Joe Tiller waved said pile of e-mails in our prospect's vicinity, I'd imagine the young man would smirk...knowing there are THOUSANDS of e-mails out there with FIRE SMITH !, CARR'S AN IDIOT, and DUMP TILLER ! in their subject lines.  Mike Nolan can probably guestimate for us how many CALLAHAN'S AN IDIOT e-mails are out there in internet land.  In short, other than Pete Carroll and a few coaching legends, every D-I coach has been the subject of many, many HE MUST GO ! (as well as HE MUST STAY) e-mails.  (Remember Paterno last season ?).  The prospects are smarter than we give them credit for - they can filter out what's unimportant.
 
And Stephen noted:
 
"> Stanford football is 107-117-4, with a 73-85-2
> record in the Pac-10.

Interesting. Gasp! A losing record - time to pull the
trigger!:)"
 
Which Stanford did, as Buddy Teevens, after only three seasons, could attest.  
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 00:03:42 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Nov 18 00:04:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
In-Reply-To: <8C7BA13B708EF7F-1C20-2881@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051118060342.21313.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com>

> And Stephen noted:
>  
> "> Stanford football is 107-117-4, with a 73-85-2
> > record in the Pac-10.
> 
> Interesting. Gasp! A losing record - time to pull
> the
> trigger!:)"
>  
> Which Stanford did, as Buddy Teevens, after only
> three seasons, could attest.  
>  
And as we see, Stanford either gets a coach who leaves
in a few years for a better job or one who gets dumped
in a few years.

GO CATS!!! KEEP SWEET SIOUX!!!
-SjT

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Nov 18 00:11:10 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 18 00:12:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
Message-ID: <23b.1a8c355.30aeca7e@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/17/2005 10:05:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:

> And as we see, Stanford either gets a coach who leaves
> in a few years for a better job or one who gets dumped
> in a few years.
> 

Yep--read Bill Walsh, Dennis Green, Ty Willingham-

Adding credence to my argument that if the coach really gets to be top notch 
at a school like  NU or Stanford (or similar) he will likely leave because 
either he doesn't see greatness opportunity or those institutions won't pay huge 
$ to keep them

Harry
From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Fri Nov 18 09:41:12 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Fri Nov 18 09:46:37 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
In-Reply-To: <23b.1a8c355.30aeca7e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <129a01c5ec56$81813b80$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

Sorry for picking on you again, but what is so bad about a coach doing great
here and getting hired away?  Isn't that what RW has said his goal is for
all of his assistants?  

NU is not at the top of the coaching food chain.  I think most all of us are
OK with that because we think that there is more to life than football.

Anyone who does well here (including RW) is going to become the subject of
rumors for open positions at higher football-profile schools REGARDLESS of
what they are getting paid here and REGARDLESS of past statements of
loyalty.  Whether they take advantage of those opportunities depends on how
they see themselves.  

For any school lower in the food chain, the only reliable way to prevent
your coach from getting offers is to have consistently mediocre teams, and
even in those circumstances the ambitious coaches will find a way to promote
themselves.  

So our choices are to pick a coach who thinks that NU is the best that they
can do, and hope that continuity translates into success - OR - pick a coach
who is ambitious and does his best to build a program which reflects that
ambition.  

I personally would prefer to have a coach who wants to be the best, deal
with the reality that they may some day move on, and hold them accountable
when they don't perform.  That appears to be Stanford's philosophy.  In
other words, I would be willing to trade a handful of Motor City Bowls for
the occasional Rose Bowl.  I also realize that this is a personal opinion
and you can make a strong argument that coaching consistency will ultimately
result in consistent winning.  

As far as RW is concerned, I don't know what his personal ambitions are, but
if he is able to put together another winning season next year, we'll
probably find out.  I think we are all kidding ourselves, however, to think
that he couldn't be hired away by someone else.  If that proves to be the
case, it does point out that there are risks to the slow and steady approach
too.  

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Hakirsch@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:11 AM
To: sjtruog@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?

In a message dated 11/17/2005 10:05:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:

> And as we see, Stanford either gets a coach who leaves in a few years 
> for a better job or one who gets dumped in a few years.
> 

Yep--read Bill Walsh, Dennis Green, Ty Willingham-

Adding credence to my argument that if the coach really gets to be top notch

at a school like  NU or Stanford (or similar) he will likely leave because 
either he doesn't see greatness opportunity or those institutions won't pay
huge 
$ to keep them

Harry
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From johnl at mac.com  Fri Nov 18 10:35:18 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Fri Nov 18 10:35:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
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Hey, wait a minute.  Aren't you the same one who just said the other day that you don't buy the "poor Northwestern" excuse, and now you're saying just that:  "poor Northwestern, we'll never be able to hire a coach who will want to stay here."  If NU isn't at the top of the coaching food chain, isn't it your point to change that (by paying higher salaries and/or developing a winning tradition that will be the envy of other coaches)?  If you don't think that mentality can be changed, then you, too, are accepting the "poor Northwestern" mentality.




On Friday, November 18, 2005, at 10:58AM, Jeff Beamsley <jeffb@hilgraeve.com> wrote:

>Sorry for picking on you again, but what is so bad about a coach doing great
>here and getting hired away?  Isn't that what RW has said his goal is for
>all of his assistants?  
>
>NU is not at the top of the coaching food chain.  I think most all of us are
>OK with that because we think that there is more to life than football.
>
>Anyone who does well here (including RW) is going to become the subject of
>rumors for open positions at higher football-profile schools REGARDLESS of
>what they are getting paid here and REGARDLESS of past statements of
>loyalty.  Whether they take advantage of those opportunities depends on how
>they see themselves.  
>
>For any school lower in the food chain, the only reliable way to prevent
>your coach from getting offers is to have consistently mediocre teams, and
>even in those circumstances the ambitious coaches will find a way to promote
>themselves.  
>
>So our choices are to pick a coach who thinks that NU is the best that they
>can do, and hope that continuity translates into success - OR - pick a coach
>who is ambitious and does his best to build a program which reflects that
>ambition.  
>
>I personally would prefer to have a coach who wants to be the best, deal
>with the reality that they may some day move on, and hold them accountable
>when they don't perform.  That appears to be Stanford's philosophy.  In
>other words, I would be willing to trade a handful of Motor City Bowls for
>the occasional Rose Bowl.  I also realize that this is a personal opinion
>and you can make a strong argument that coaching consistency will ultimately
>result in consistent winning.  
>
>As far as RW is concerned, I don't know what his personal ambitions are, but
>if he is able to put together another winning season next year, we'll
>probably find out.  I think we are all kidding ourselves, however, to think
>that he couldn't be hired away by someone else.  If that proves to be the
>case, it does point out that there are risks to the slow and steady approach
>too.  
>
>Jeff
>
>
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>
>In a message dated 11/17/2005 10:05:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:
>
>> And as we see, Stanford either gets a coach who leaves in a few years 
>> for a better job or one who gets dumped in a few years.
>> 
>
>Yep--read Bill Walsh, Dennis Green, Ty Willingham-
>
>Adding credence to my argument that if the coach really gets to be top notch
>
>at a school like  NU or Stanford (or similar) he will likely leave because 
>either he doesn't see greatness opportunity or those institutions won't pay
>huge 
>$ to keep them
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 18 12:43:24 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 18 12:43:20 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/18
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FOOTBALL

     Improved defense leans on secondary
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051117colfootnu,1,6746
995.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     A great story about bouncing back
     Righting the ship 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/18/437d8a56b74e4 

     Two coaches from the same cradle
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/18/437d8eef7065a 

     Next Up the Sweet Sioux Tomahawk game -
     Illinois Fighting Illini
     Big break for Illini's Randle
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051117illinihoops,1,61
49187.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Sweet start turned sour for DT Matha
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051117colfootillini,1,
1928491.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Eric Already Showing He Knows How To 'Block'
 
http://fightingillini.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111605aab.html 
     + Young Fans Rub Shoulders With Student-Athletes
 
http://fightingillini.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111705aag.html 
     + Struggles for Illinois continue
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/18/437d914f04eef 
     + Kleckner wraps up Illini career with no regrets
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=122926 
     + Thomas claims Illini will again - Former T.F. South star Pierre Thomas
says head coach Ron Zook will turn program around
 
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2005/11/18/sports/college_sports/f39b2fbca6fbd8c686
2570bd00053f53.txt 
     + Northwestern @ Illinois Preview
      http://illinois.scout.com/2/468360.html 
     + Seniors hungry for a win; last chance against Wildcats
 
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/2005/11/18/Sports/Seniors.Hungry.For.A.Win.Last.
Chance.Against.Wildcats-1110122.shtml 
     + Thomas running with a cause
 
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/2005/11/18/Sports/Thomas.Running.With.A.Cause-11
10176.shtml 

     Miscellaneous Football News: 
     Weekend preview: Big weekend in the Big Ten
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=105 
     + Penn State needs help to reach title game
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/football/ncaa/11/18/pennstate.lon
gshot.ap/index.html?section=si_ncaaf 

     Michigan State takes on spoiler role
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=103 

     Once in dire straits, Michigan eyes BCS 
 
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/illini/story/2664593D1BD29D4
2862570BD001AABDB?OpenDocument 

     Purdue & MSU part of this one..
     Stewart Mandel: Six teams playing for pride 
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/11/17/insi
de.cfb/index.html?section=si_ncaaf 

BASKETBALL

     Men:
     Northwestern not satisfied by strong start
      http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=35774 
     Top Defensive Players In The State Of Illinois Without Regard To Class 
      http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/defenders.html 
     Next is Florida Atlantic [11/21] 
     Men's basketball: FAU understands expectations
 
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2005/11/18/a12b_fauhoo
ps_1118.html 
     + Florida Tech not a measuring stick for FAU
 
http://bocanews.com/index.php?src=news&prid=13251&category=Sports%20News&PHPSESS
ID=b18a4a242ae04abd3f85e0d3825328c3 
     Then @ DePaul [11/26] 
     Wainwright at home at DePaul
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/depaul.asp?id=122864 
     Other Big 10 Basketball News
     College Basketball: 2005-06 Illinois Preview
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/181sd6.htm 

     Women
     Wildcats Welcome Creighton for 2005-06 Opener
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/111705aac.html 
     NU handling loss of player
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/18/437d851a79adc 

Recruiting

     Joe Mauro Texas QB ready for Big Ten
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=468344&nid=1758629&fhn=1&refid=4742

     Nick Macaluso Final Grades Coming Up
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=468267&nid=1780438&fhn=1&refid=4742

     Sean McWhirter Packs a big punch!
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=467764&nid=1761612&fhn=1&refid=4742

     + Schedules Big Ten Visit
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=467751&nid=1761612&fhn=1&refid=4742

     More Letter of Intent signings...
     + Women's Fencing Inks Five to National Letters of Intent
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-fenc/spec-rel/111705aab.html 
     + Pollard Inks Three to National Letters of Intent
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-tennis/spec-rel/111705aac.html 
     + Women's Hoops Signs Three
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/111605aae.html 

FENCING

     NU Duals
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/18/437d8cb3c110e 

FIELD HOCKEY

     Meghan Small Named Second-Team Dartfish/NFHCA All-West Region
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-fieldh/spec-rel/111705aab.html 
     2005 Season In Review
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-fieldh/spec-rel/111705aag.html 

SWIMMING

     Cats readying to strike again
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/18/437d891e9c639 

VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats won't let streak get to them
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/18/437d8a2e72f2a 

MISCELLANY

     A "tough" recruiting job just got "tougher"
     Academic violations lead to probation for Georgia Tech 
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=98 

ALUMNI

     PGA: [Links on Player's Name is their live scorecard] 

     Luke Donald 
      http://www.worldgolfchampionships.com/players/scorecard/532796/r169/2005 
     at the WGC - Algarve World Cup in Portugal
      http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/latest.sps?iTourNo=2005078 
     + Donald and Howell off to a flier
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=FP1QZNGARF2RFQFIQMFCFF4AV
CBQYIV0?xml=/sport/2005/11/18/sgmair18.xml&sSheet=/sport/2005/11/18/ixgolf.html 
     + English duo delighted with start 
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/default.stm# 
     + England duo deliver on 'birdie-fest' prediction
      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,378-1876924,00.html 
     + Three Nations Share Lead in Vilamoura but Argentina Steal the Show
 
http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/fullreport.sps?iTourno=2005078&id=114657
8&iTourID=1 
     + Current Leaderboard
      http://www.worldgolfchampionships.com/scoring/leaderboard/r169 

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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Fri Nov 18 12:58:30 2005
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Fri Nov 18 13:02:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Labbe <johnl@mac.com>
Sent: Nov 18, 2005 8:35 AM
To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?

Hey, wait a minute.  Aren't you the same one who just said the other day that you don't buy the "poor Northwestern" excuse, and now you're saying just that:  "poor Northwestern, we'll never be able to hire a coach who will want to stay here."  If NU isn't at the top of the coaching food chain, isn't it your point to change that (by paying higher salaries and/or developing a winning tradition that will be the envy of other coaches)?  If you don't think that mentality can be changed, then you, too, are accepting the "poor Northwestern" mentality.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I don't buy the argument that a coach whose goal is being the best would necessarily want to move on after achieving success at NU.  RW has said that he wants to be part of establishing a long term winning tradition at NU.  I take that to mean that he wants to be our JoePA.  I believe that he means that and as long as the NU administration supports him with facilities and necessary operating funds he will stay no matter what other offers he receives.

Clark Zahn



From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Fri Nov 18 13:16:17 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Fri Nov 18 13:17:35 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
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> I don't buy the argument that a coach whose goal is being the best would 
> necessarily want to move on after achieving success at NU.  RW has said 
> that he wants to be part of establishing a long term winning tradition 
> at NU.  I take that to mean that he wants to be our JoePA.  I believe 
> that he means that and as long as the NU administration supports him 
> with facilities and necessary operating funds he will stay no matter 
> what other offers he receives.

Agreed.  In what state was FSU's program in before Bobby Bowden, or 
Nebraska's before Devany and then Osborne, or PSU before Joe Paterno? 
For that matter, what was Duke Basketball before Krzyzewski?  There is an 
opportunity for us to be building a program up, but it takes dedication, a 
coach who can fix the problems, and most especially someone with the 
wherewithal to stick around for long enough to build up that record of 
consistent winning seasons.

I'm not ready to put Randy on a pedestal like the coaching greats, but he 
certainly finds himself in a position where he's in the driver's seat to 
build a program from nothing and turn it into a perennial contender.

I wish him the best in this.

Go 'Cats,

Jonathan

From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Nov 18 14:36:22 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 18 14:37:36 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
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Jonathan raises a few interesting points.
 
FSU before Bowden.  FSU was 101-99-12 in prior to Bobby Bowden.  Bill Peterson (1960-1970) was 62-42-11.  His successor Larry Jones was 15-8 through 1972, before an awful 3-year stretch (0-11 in '73, 4-18 under Darrell Mudra in 74-75).
 
In fact, I've seen some talk on the FSU boards about the 'myth' that Bowden inherited a program in ruin.  The Brooks International website (Bobby Bowden's speaker's bureau http://www.brooksinternational.com/bobby_bowden.htm) even states:
 
"And most of the fans were disheartened because 28 years ago, Bowden inherited a program far from the dynasty that he now commands. In fact, FSU had only won four games over the previous four seasons combined and there was talk that perhaps the school should shelve the program unless it was more successful."
 
In fact, the program had won 4 games over 3 seasons (73-75), but had gone 49-25-3 over the previous 7 seasons (66-72).  It would be very surprising that any school would consider dropping football over a 3-year slump.  
 
Nebraska before Devaney was not very good (67-120-5 between 1942 and 1961), but I'll let someone more expert on Husker Football explain why that might have been.
 
Penn State before Paterno had a very impressive history.  Hugo Bezdek (1918-1929) went 65-30-11.  Bob Higgins (1930-1948) went 91-57-11.  Joe Bedenk went 5-4 in 1949.  And the great Rip Engle went 104-48-4 from 1950-1965.  In fact, Penn State had not had a losing season since 1938 (Bob Higgins 3-4-1), until Joe Paterno in 1988.  Paterno also had the 4 losing seasons out of 5 (2000, 2001, 2003, 2004).
 
Jonathan adds:
 
"...he (Walker) certainly finds himself in a position where he's in the driver's seat to build a program from nothing and turn it into a perennial contender."
 
Not exactly from nothing - his predecessor had won 2 Big Ten titles, and had a 27-21 record in the previous 4 seasons.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85


 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Michael Hawkins <spiritu@northwestern.edu>
To: Clark Zahn <clzahn@mindspring.com>
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:16:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?


> I don't buy the argument that a coach whose goal is being the best would > necessarily want to move on after achieving success at NU. RW has said > that he wants to be part of establishing a long term winning tradition > at NU. I take that to mean that he wants to be our JoePA. I believe > that he means that and as long as the NU administration supports him > with facilities and necessary operating funds he will stay no matter > what other offers he receives. 
 
Agreed. In what state was FSU's program in before Bobby Bowden, or Nebraska's before Devany and then Osborne, or PSU before Joe Paterno? For that matter, what was Duke Basketball before Krzyzewski? There is an opportunity for us to be building a program up, but it takes dedication, a coach who can fix the problems, and most especially someone with the wherewithal to stick around for long enough to build up that record of consistent winning seasons. 
 
I'm not ready to put Randy on a pedestal like the coaching greats, but he certainly finds himself in a position where he's in the driver's seat to build a program from nothing and turn it into a perennial contender. 
 
I wish him the best in this. 
 
Go 'Cats, 
 
Jonathan 
 
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Nov 18 14:33:51 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 18 14:37:47 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] question
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I suppose everybody knows about this web site put up when Zook was here in  
Florida, good for a laugh and discount merchandise
_http://www.fireronzook.com/_ (http://www.fireronzook.com/) 
 
Is the sweet Sioux classic in trouble with the politically correct  police?

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Fri Nov 18 14:38:28 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Fri Nov 18 14:43:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
In-Reply-To: <2164027.1132331718669.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>
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"Poor Northwestern" is just shorthand for all of the tedious set of excuses
that we've all heard about why Northwestern will never have a good football
program.  But just like many of the other excuses, this one doesn't hold up
to closer scrutiny either.  There are a lot schools with winning traditions
and strong football programs that are also far from the top of the coaching
food chain.  They realize that the price they pay for football success is
that they regularly have to recruit new coaches.  Some of the MAC schools
like Bowling Green come to mind as good examples.

You've been here long enough to know that I also don't buy into the Moses
theory of football success.  The theory goes like this.  RW is our Moses and
if we are patient enough, he will get us there.  I know that there are
others here who are fervent believers and they will be able to point to RW's
recent success as proof of this theory.  That's OK, because I like winning
football games more than winning arguments (just barely <g>).  Whether or
not the Moses theory proves true, the food chain theory suggests that
success is going to bring opportunities that even Moses can't resist.  

So no, my point isn't that Northwestern can only be successful by getting to
the top of the food chain.  It's exactly the opposite. We shouldn't have to
be wait to be successful.  We should expect to be successful now and we
should be willing to accept that the price of that success may be losing the
coach that got us there.

Jeff





-----Original Message-----
From: John Labbe [mailto:johnl@mac.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:35 AM
To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?

Hey, wait a minute.  Aren't you the same one who just said the other day
that you don't buy the "poor Northwestern" excuse, and now you're saying
just that:  "poor Northwestern, we'll never be able to hire a coach who will
want to stay here."  If NU isn't at the top of the coaching food chain,
isn't it your point to change that (by paying higher salaries and/or
developing a winning tradition that will be the envy of other coaches)?  If
you don't think that mentality can be changed, then you, too, are accepting
the "poor Northwestern" mentality.




On Friday, November 18, 2005, at 10:58AM, Jeff Beamsley
<jeffb@hilgraeve.com> wrote:

>Sorry for picking on you again, but what is so bad about a coach doing 
>great here and getting hired away?  Isn't that what RW has said his 
>goal is for all of his assistants?
>
>NU is not at the top of the coaching food chain.  I think most all of 
>us are OK with that because we think that there is more to life than
football.
>
>Anyone who does well here (including RW) is going to become the subject 
>of rumors for open positions at higher football-profile schools 
>REGARDLESS of what they are getting paid here and REGARDLESS of past 
>statements of loyalty.  Whether they take advantage of those 
>opportunities depends on how they see themselves.
>
>For any school lower in the food chain, the only reliable way to 
>prevent your coach from getting offers is to have consistently mediocre 
>teams, and even in those circumstances the ambitious coaches will find 
>a way to promote themselves.
>
>So our choices are to pick a coach who thinks that NU is the best that 
>they can do, and hope that continuity translates into success - OR - 
>pick a coach who is ambitious and does his best to build a program 
>which reflects that ambition.
>
>I personally would prefer to have a coach who wants to be the best, 
>deal with the reality that they may some day move on, and hold them 
>accountable when they don't perform.  That appears to be Stanford's 
>philosophy.  In other words, I would be willing to trade a handful of 
>Motor City Bowls for the occasional Rose Bowl.  I also realize that 
>this is a personal opinion and you can make a strong argument that 
>coaching consistency will ultimately result in consistent winning.
>
>As far as RW is concerned, I don't know what his personal ambitions 
>are, but if he is able to put together another winning season next 
>year, we'll probably find out.  I think we are all kidding ourselves, 
>however, to think that he couldn't be hired away by someone else.  If 
>that proves to be the case, it does point out that there are risks to 
>the slow and steady approach too.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>
>In a message dated 11/17/2005 10:05:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
>sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:
>
>> And as we see, Stanford either gets a coach who leaves in a few years 
>> for a better job or one who gets dumped in a few years.
>> 
>
>Yep--read Bill Walsh, Dennis Green, Ty Willingham-
>
>Adding credence to my argument that if the coach really gets to be top 
>notch
>
>at a school like  NU or Stanford (or similar) he will likely leave 
>because either he doesn't see greatness opportunity or those 
>institutions won't pay huge $ to keep them
>
>Harry
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Fri Nov 18 15:38:23 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Fri Nov 18 15:43:46 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
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Clark wrote <snip?

I don't buy the argument that a coach whose goal is being the best would
necessarily want to move on after achieving success at NU.  RW has said that
he wants to be part of establishing a long term winning tradition at NU.  I
take that to mean that he wants to be our JoePA.  I believe that he means
that and as long as the NU administration supports him with facilities and
necessary operating funds he will stay no matter what other offers he
receives.

========================================================

I certainly don't want a successful NU coach to leave, but let's try to keep
things in perspective.

Here's a quote from Walker's bio on the NU site.

"Walker came to Northwestern after serving as the head football coach at
Miami (Ohio) University for nine seasons. The 50-year-old departed Oxford as
the winningest head coach in school history with a mark of 59-35-5 (.621)."

If he was someone who wanted a JoePA-type position, why did he leave Miami?

Your answer to that question is the same reason why he would leave
Northwestern.

Penn State, OSU, UoM - those are the top of the food chain in our league.
Big stadiums, all the money you need, great schools (at least two of the
three), large fan base, a chance to be national champs, and lots of pressure
to succeed.  Those are the coaches, if they are successful, who aren't going
anywhere.  Though it is unlikely to happen, do you really think that Walker
would turn down and opportunity to coach at a school like PSU, OSU, or UoM?
For that matter, what about a chance to coach at Stanford?  Think he would
turn that down?

I realize the question is really idle speculation and we're all just
twiddling our thumbs waiting for Saturday, but if he can put together
another winning season next year with a new QB, his phone will start ringing
regardless of what he has said about establishing a long term NU winning
tradition.

Jeff







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From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sat Nov 19 00:45:26 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
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On Nov 18, 2005, at 3:38 PM, Jeff Beamsley wrote:

>
> If he was someone who wanted a JoePA-type position, why did he leave 
> Miami?
>
> Your answer to that question is the same reason why he would leave
> Northwestern.
>
>

Not exactly, I don't think.  I think the conference makes a big 
difference.  For all the talk about the MAC these days, the Big Ten is 
clearly the superior conference.

If you win all your games at Northwestern, you'll win a national 
championship (almost, but not quite, for certain).

If you win all your games at Miami, you'll finish in the top 10.

In my opinion, there is a coach out there (Walker, maybe) who would be 
satisfied with a career job at Northwestern if he could develop a 
winning program.  A coach at a MAC school will always want to move up 
to a bigger conference with greater potential.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 18 16:49:35 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:08 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
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RW had a couple of schools in his contract at Miami of OH that let him out if
those jobs were offered.

One of them was Northwestern, I suspect another was North Carolina.

Walker apparently liked his time here as an assistant and was convinced [and
convinced the powers that be at the time] that NU could field a consistent
winner, and indeed said when he was hired that he hoped to field a national
champ. The board in the big meeting hall where he does the weekly press conf,
and the signing day conference leads off with "Be a Northwestern Grad, followed
by win a National Championship." At least it used to.

If you don't believe me, I have pictures...[attached]

Anyway, from time to time I hear rumors that RW has been approached but I never
hear any more about it. I think he's very happy in Evanston and enjoys his
players and the life here.

When he goes recruiting, he's got a world class airport to fly from, and can get
almost anywhere in 3 hours.

His kids graduated from NU, and his dog likes walking on the lakefront [so we've
been told]

I wonder if a lot of the dislike towards RW is actually a reflection of a
dislike by many alums towards the man who hired him - Rick Taylor?

Hmmmmm

rsl

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> 
> If he was someone who wanted a JoePA-type position, why did 
> he leave Miami?
> 
>
From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Wed Nov 16 13:24:00 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:20 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] my take
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Abrahamson, Alan wrote:

> First, may I say that any day that brings a note from Frank Loomis is a good day. I always welcome his grace and insight.
> Second, I say again that I don't have any particular professional insight but I would be surprised were Randy Walker under any pressure from the AD or the president. There may be legitimate reasons for complaint -- in particular, a resounding lack of defensive success over the years. But, especially these past three seasons, the team has been competitive, a few head off to the NFL and pretty much all the players graduate. 
> I am on record -- in a column published in the Daily this past spring -- as saying that expecting mediocrity no longer cuts it. The Rose Bowl team forever put a lie to the notion that Northwestern can't excel in football while simultaneously serving as the academic beacon on the hill. 
> If memory serves, I believe I said in that column that all Wildcat fans ought to reasonably expect eight or nine wins a year and a bowl game without compromising the consistent excellence in academics the university has always stood for and must always stand for. 
> Let's say we beat the snot out of Illinois. Then we're 7-4, 5-3.
> Let's say we win whatever bowl game we go to. That's eight.
> Any sportswriter knows full well that woulda coulda shoulda doesn't get it done. But -- at the risk of momentarily losing my card-carrying newsman status -- this team woulda coulda shoulda beaten Penn State. And we'd all be looking at this season very differently, and Randy Walker might well have been the 2005 version of GB in the nation's sports pages.
> (This is why woulda coulda shoulda's are good for nothing, by the way. I've been perhaps the biggest complainer on this list about this year's defense, and god knows the way other things woulda coulda shoulda turned out -- Purdue, Iowa, Northern Illinois. OK OK OK ...)
> At any rate ...
> I think the issue is how to bring consistent defensive and special teams excellence to the table. 
> The spread offense makes up for the talent/size/speed problem we face when recruiting. Give Walker credit for recognizing that, implementing it and finding a succession of qbs to run it well.
> Why we can't find one kicker in the entire country is beyond me. Sam Valensizi - are your kids old enough yet?!
> And why can't we consistently recruit defensive studs up front and in the secondary? We do well enough at linebacker. Why is this?
> And, again: Frank - hope you're well - great to hear from you -
> Alan 
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Wed Nov 16 13:26:32 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] my take
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Re: Alan Abrahamson's note:

The reason the linebackers are as good as they are is because of the 
linebacker coach - Pat Fitzgerald.  The kicking game?  Allegedly we have 
recruited a kicker for next year but Randy Walker by his own admission 
knows little or nothing about that part of the game.  That means the kid 
coming in isn't going to learn anything from Walker, so how does he get 
better?  I noticed that Barnett has a great kicker at Colorado and NU 
had some  good ones that he had recruited.  What does that comparison 
tell us?

You're probably right, unfortunately, Walker isn't under any pressure 
from Murphy or Bienen and has probably figured that out too.  Bienen 
didn't want to get between Taylor and Barnett so Gary left for that plus 
some other reasons, e.g. thinking that he would have a better chance at 
winning a national championship at Colorado than at NU.  Maybe some 
other school will come after Walker if they don't look to closely at 
Walker's record.  I told Murphy that had he gotten to NU before Gary 
left, h might have been able to convince him to stay and we would be 
competing for the Big Ten championship on a regular basis.

John DeGroat

Abrahamson, Alan wrote:

> First, may I say that any day that brings a note from Frank Loomis is a good day. I always welcome his grace and insight.
> Second, I say again that I don't have any particular professional insight but I would be surprised were Randy Walker under any pressure from the AD or the president. There may be legitimate reasons for complaint -- in particular, a resounding lack of defensive success over the years. But, especially these past three seasons, the team has been competitive, a few head off to the NFL and pretty much all the players graduate. 
> I am on record -- in a column published in the Daily this past spring -- as saying that expecting mediocrity no longer cuts it. The Rose Bowl team forever put a lie to the notion that Northwestern can't excel in football while simultaneously serving as the academic beacon on the hill. 
> If memory serves, I believe I said in that column that all Wildcat fans ought to reasonably expect eight or nine wins a year and a bowl game without compromising the consistent excellence in academics the university has always stood for and must always stand for. 
> Let's say we beat the snot out of Illinois. Then we're 7-4, 5-3.
> Let's say we win whatever bowl game we go to. That's eight.
> Any sportswriter knows full well that woulda coulda shoulda doesn't get it done. But -- at the risk of momentarily losing my card-carrying newsman status -- this team woulda coulda shoulda beaten Penn State. And we'd all be looking at this season very differently, and Randy Walker might well have been the 2005 version of GB in the nation's sports pages.
> (This is why woulda coulda shoulda's are good for nothing, by the way. I've been perhaps the biggest complainer on this list about this year's defense, and god knows the way other things woulda coulda shoulda turned out -- Purdue, Iowa, Northern Illinois. OK OK OK ...)
> At any rate ...
> I think the issue is how to bring consistent defensive and special teams excellence to the table. 
> The spread offense makes up for the talent/size/speed problem we face when recruiting. Give Walker credit for recognizing that, implementing it and finding a succession of qbs to run it well.
> Why we can't find one kicker in the entire country is beyond me. Sam Valensizi - are your kids old enough yet?!
> And why can't we consistently recruit defensive studs up front and in the secondary? We do well enough at linebacker. Why is this?
> And, again: Frank - hope you're well - great to hear from you -
> Alan 
> 
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Wed Nov 16 13:57:45 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
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Hakirsch makes a flaed argument about winning, the cost of coaches and 
academics.  The year after NU went to the Roe Bowl under Gary Barnett, 
applications for admission went up and so did the SATs of the 
applicants.  Also the grade average of the football team(s) and the 
graduation rates were virtually the same as  for the overall NU student 
population..  Barnett saw NU competing for the same pool of prospects as 
Notre Dame, Stamford and a couple of others, none of which were academic 
slouches.  From a financial perspective, the ROI on a good football 
program like Gary had going is a lot higher than for what you get from a 
lousy or even mediocre program.

John DeGroat

Hakirsch@aol.com wrote:

> Well I am sure John's note will elicit a lot of responses including mine.
>
> A few thoughts--
>
> Walker is not a player's coach --and I am not sure how much any school 
> wants a player's coach--particularly with the NU football player, who 
> on average is more intelligent than the average NCAA football player. 
> They probably more than others understand that not everyone is goinhg 
> to love his coach. 
>
> I think John is right that Walker and NU had had a lot of luck the 
> past several years-(Mich 2000, Iowa 2005,OSU 2004 to name a few) and 
> with a few plays going the other way we could easily have been  at 4-7 
> some of the bowl years under Walker.  While some games have gone the 
> other way, (PSU 2005 quickly comes to mind), it seems with have had 
> more of the former than the latter.
>
> Yes our defense and special teams have been our weak spots under 
> Walker and of course it would be great to improve there.  But one has 
> to look at our overall record and graduation rates as being the key 
> measurement of his success or not--and as  has been hashed about 
> before, Walker passes here.
>
> It would be great to go to a good name bowl every year, but I am 
> skepitcal if that is an acheivable goal.  It is a worthy goal , but 
> extraordinary tough when if you don't finish in the top 3 or 4 in the 
> conference it won't happen. When you have OSU , Mich and PSU in the 
> conference it is tough to consistently surpass Minn, Wisc, and Iowa 
> And the recent also rans of MSU, Ill and Purdue do not sit quietly.  
> On top of that would we as alums feel good, that in order to acheive 
> the lofty goal, we probably would have to spend a ton of money on a 
> football coach and staff  salaries?  I for one think it would send the 
> wrong message about what NU is about --academics first.
>
>
> In short , yes on average we will be in the middle of the pack under 
> Walker- or probably any coach (remember if they get good they leave 
> for more money or more opportunity to win big --ala Ara, Agase 
> and,Barnett-) but this should allow us to go to a name bowl every few 
> years and a lesser name bowl in others-I can be happy with that- 
> (Maybe I am biased because i was at NU in the late 70's early 80's 
> when going -1-10 and 0-11 and getting blown out every game by half 
> time was the norm-)
>
> -Now if we could only make the NCAA's in hoops ...
>
> Harry
>
>
From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Wed Nov 16 14:21:07 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:26 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
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Walker benefited from the people that Gary had recruited.  Barnett's 
record reflects a couple of things.  First, NU's record ws so bad that I 
firmly believe that the reason Penn State came into the Big Ten was in 
the expectation that NU would drop out of the Big Ten.  Barnett saved us 
from that.  Working for Rick Taylor couldn't have been a bed of roses so 
given the opportunity to go back to Colorado, he took it.  By the way, 
Walker managed to drive out a number of very good players that Barnett 
hd recruited.  A recruiter and motivator, Walker isn't and you need both 
to be succesful.

John DeGroat

John Labbe wrote:

>You'll have to remind me about the "promising moments" in the '98 season.  As I recall, we were 0-8 in the Big Ten and we were blown out at home by Duke.
>
>Assuming a win on Saturday, Walker will be 14-10 in the Big Ten over the past 3 years.  I don't have time right now to compare that to see how it ranks among other Big Ten teams, but I'd venture a guess that it's about the middle of the pack or perhaps the upper-middle.
>
>It's not fair to look at Walker's entire record; let's talk about what he's done the past few years.  Barnett didn't have a winning record at Northwestern, either.  His best 3-season Big Ten record was 18-6 and then the following season he was 0-8.  Hardly consistent.
>
>My biggest question, though, is if we fire Walker, who would we hire?  Charlie Weis is spoken for.
>
>Do we try to read the tea leaves and hire an "up and coming" coach who may or may not win, but if he does, he will promptly leave for a better program?
>
>
>On Wednesday, November 16, 2005, at 12:00PM, Joe Thiegs <thiegs@umn.edu> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>quite closely.  '97 and '98 had promising moments but didn't end too well,
>>as I recall.  The point is that I don't think we'll find a coach much better
>>    
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Wed Nov 16 14:56:29 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:27 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
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I don't think it is unrealistic to expect NU to be challenging for the 
Big Ten championship without diluting the academic standards and going 
to a major bowl game every year.  It is unrealistic to expect that to 
happen with Randy Walker.

How is this for an idea?  Fire Walker make Murphy the head coach and AD, 
add to his paycheck whatever Walker is getting and let him hire whatever 
assistants he wants.  Murphy has more charisma and probably recruiting 
ability than Walker will ever have.  Murphy would pprobably think it is 
a lousy idea but what the heck look at Alvarez's success.

John DeGroat




Arthur Miller wrote:

>Hi everyone.  I'm enjoying this thread, as it is a variant of a conversation
>I have with myself every week during football season. :)
>
>I tend agree with Harry's statement below.  Other than Notre Dame, there is
>zero precedent for a school like NU challenging for a national title with
>any regularity.  And ND represents such a unique situation that's nearly
>useless for us as an example.
>
>This is not to say it can't be done, however--only that we there is an
>intermediate goal that must be reached before we aspire to be a truly
>top-tier program.  IMHO, this intermediate goal should be to consistently
>achieve winning seasons, and thus bowl games.  By consistent, I mean we go
>bowling 3-4 times every 5 years.  This, in turn, will require us to be
>consistently competitive in the B10, since even with the easiest OOC
>schedule we will need to win 3-4 B10 games to have a winning record.
>
>Realistically, we need to exist at this intermediate state for another 5-10
>years before we are ready to take the next step.  Thus, THE ONLY PRACTICAL
>QUESTION we should be asking about RW is whether he is the man to help us
>achieve/maintain this.  I suggest that his overall record and recent history
>at NU shows that he can.
>
>If, by the end of the 2010 season, we have had 3-4 more 6-7 win seasons (but
>nothing more), then I would fully support replacing RW with someone else who
>may be able to take us to the next level.  But college football (unlike
>college hoops, BTW) is fundamentally and structually biased against small,
>private, academically selective universities.  Those of you who think RW has
>underachieved at NU should address these concerns in order to credibly call
>for his replacement.
>
>Regards-
>Art Miller
>McCormick '91
>
>
>
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>
>  
>
>>I was just looking to compare other programs with high academic standards
>>to point out that none  consistently compete for national titles,  nor go
>>to major bowls in most years.  (Except ND) I believe that a program that
>>takes  prop 48 kids(if that is still the rule number--it may have changed)
>>is not a program i  think compares with us- That is a different set of
>>standards- If none of these other programs can successfully compete at the
>>highest levels, I think it is unrealistic for us to expect that we can
>>except in a small amount of years when we get a perfect storm  going our
>>way.
>>    
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Wed Nov 16 18:36:09 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] basketball futility
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If anyone can turn the basketball program around it is Carmody.  He has 
been the most imaginative coach NU has ever had.  Figuring out that 
there were players sin Europe who could both play and make it 
academically was pretty smart.  By the way, maybe it is the cynic in me 
but I wonder if Duke and Indiana (at least when Knight  was there) can 
be so good and so lousy in football is because the basketball coaches 
wanted it that way, i.e., no competition for dollars.

John DeGroat

Abrahamson, Alan wrote:

>Another interesting thread, I hope, for everyone...
> I grant that North Carolina is basketball central and hope Don and others will be able to see my point because it builds off his well-taken observation.
> My take: I also grant that it's early in the season and that it may seem logically unfair to judge a team in March by what happens in November. Except that the NCAA tournament selection committee does. Because it's all about wins and losses, and who those wins are over. And if Wilmington is/is going to be that good, a win would have been damn good for our chances of making the tournament.
> Sorry to all for being blunt but, especially with the basketball program and a lifetime of futility verging on mediocrity, I am sick and tired of rationalizing losses, even losses to good teams.
> We must expect victory.
> Alan 
> 
>
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>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] basketball futility
>
>
>
>In a message dated 11/16/2005 1:52:28 PM Central Standard Time, Alan.Abrahamson@latimes.com writes:
>
>I applaud the wins over Leigh and Charlotte. But losing to Wilmington? 
>
>
>Having only recently moved from Maryland to Minnesota, I am fairly familiar with east coast schools, and Wilmington, NC is no slouch when it comes to B-ball. Michael Jordan, I believe, was born and raised there, and the whole area is a hot bed of basketball fanatics.
>Don Williams C55
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Wed Nov 16 18:53:19 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
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The $16 million plus legal expenses came from the liability insurance 
that NU.  If NU didn't have that kind of coverage a lot more NU 
officials should get bounced along with Walker.  So that tragic fiasco 
didn't cost the athletic programs anything other than maybe the jacked 
up insurance fees resulting from the $16 million and the crap that we 
had to take from Rick Telender in the Chicago Sun-Times

John DeGroat

cherron604@aol.com wrote:

>To address some of Harry's points: 
> 
>"But one has to look at our overall record and graduation rates as being the key measurement of his success or not--and as  has been hashed about before, Walker passes here."
> 
>Overall record, 36-45 through 7 seasons, 9 games under .500.  It had been observed before that almost no D-I coaches were as many games under .500 after as many as 7 seasons.  About the only two I could recall were Ken Hatfield of Rice (34-42-1 through 7, 54-68-1 through 2004) and Dan McCarney at Iowa State (29-50 through 7, 45-72 through last year).
> 
>Graduation Rate, the NU web site popularizes the AFCA Academic Achievement Award.  The Big Ten schools have only participated in this award since 1998.  NU has won the 100% honor 4 times (1998, Gary Barnett, and 2002, 2004 and 2005 Randy Walker).  In 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2003 they were in the 'Honorable Mention' category (70% or greater graduation).  I would characterize this measure as a 'bare minimum' requirement to coach at Northwestern, and I would credit the Academic and Student Services Staff for achieving these kind of results across ALL athletic programs, so I would not give the football coach too much of the credit here.
> 
>"On top of that would we as alums feel good, that in order to acheive the lofty goal, we probably would have to spend a ton of money on a football coach and staff  salaries?  I for one think it would send the wrong message about what NU is about --academics first."
> 
>While the University does not say much about their coaches salaries, we can safely assume that it is in a range of his Big Ten peers (Ferentz, $500,000 base, Carr $300,000+ base).  We are probably, by definition, spending a ton of money on football coach and staff salaries (or else we would not have any football coaches).  And don't forget that, in August, the University wrote a check for $16 MILLION to settle the wrongful death claim of a football player - money that could have paid the full $29,940 2004-2005 NU tuition for 534 students.
> 
>"yes on average we will be in the middle of the pack under Walker"
> 
>Under Walker, our 7 finishes have been 10th, 1st, 10th, 10th, 7th, 4th and 5th, for a mean finish of 6.7 and a median finish of 7th - more toward the lower end of the pack.  What Walker would have to prove is that the 4th and 5th place finishes the last two years were his doing, or just the good fortune of having Bret Basanez around.
> 
>Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> 
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>To: johnadeg@bellatlantic.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Sent: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:29:57 EST
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
>
>
>Well I am sure John's note will elicit a lot of responses including mine.
>
>A few thoughts--
>
>Walker is not a player's coach --and I am not sure how much any school wants 
>a player's coach--particularly with the NU football player, who on average is 
>more intelligent than the average NCAA football player. They probably more 
>than others understand that not everyone is goinhg to love his coach.  
>
>I think John is right that Walker and NU had had a lot of luck the past 
>several years-(Mich 2000, Iowa 2005,OSU 2004 to name a few) and with a few plays 
>
>going the other way we could easily have been  at 4-7 some of the bowl years 
>under Walker.  While some games have gone the other way, (PSU 2005 quickly comes 
>
>to mind), it seems with have had more of the former than the latter. 
>
>Yes our defense and special teams have been our weak spots under Walker and 
>of course it would be great to improve there.  But one has to look at our 
>overall record and graduation rates as being the key measurement of his success 
>or 
>not--and as  has been hashed about before, Walker passes here.
>
>It would be great to go to a good name bowl every year, but I am skepitcal if 
>that is an acheivable goal.  It is a worthy goal , but extraordinary tough 
>when if you don't finish in the top 3 or 4 in the conference it won't happen. 
>When you have OSU , Mich and PSU in the conference it is tough to consistently 
>surpass Minn, Wisc, and Iowa And the recent also rans of MSU, Ill and Purdue do 
>not sit quietly.  On top of that would we as alums feel good, that in order 
>to acheive the lofty goal, we probably would have to spend a ton of money on a 
>football coach and staff  salaries?  I for one think it would send the wrong 
>message about what NU is about --academics first.
>
>
>In short , yes on average we will be in the middle of the pack under Walker- 
>or probably any coach (remember if they get good they leave for more money or 
>more opportunity to win big --ala Ara, Agase and,Barnett-) but this should 
>allow us to go to a name bowl every few years and a lesser name bowl in others-I 
>
>can be happy with that- (Maybe I am biased because i was at NU in the late 
>70's early 80's when going -1-10 and 0-11 and getting blown out every game by 
>half time was the norm-)
>
>-Now if we could only make the NCAA's in hoops ... 
>
>Harry
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Wed Nov 16 19:00:52 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Expectations for our football team
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Now there is a thought: bring back Ron to replace Walker.  The last I 
knew he was on Paterno's staff after getting bounced at Maryland so that 
they could bring in a former Maryland player as coach.  That guy then 
ran away with the ACC championship using the players that Vanderlinden 
had recruited.  Not only  could Vanderlinden coach, but he was a good 
recruiter as well.

John DeGroat

cherron604@aol.com wrote:

>Two points:
> 
>"He also seem's smart enough that he will try to solve the problems on kick coverage and defense."
> 
>The problems have existed for 7 years of the Walker regime - when does his solution kick in ?
> 
>"I do wonder if we will always have some trouble on defense."
> 
>As we will all recall, we had one of the nations best defenses (ranked #1 one year, I believe) under Ron Vanderlinden and Gary Barnett.  So we know it can be done.  It just isn't being done now.
> 
>Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Sent: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:32:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
>Subject: [NU Sports] Expectations for our football team
>
>
>I am certainly not an expert on football, but I do qualify as a long time Cat 
>fan as Ara was coach when I was there.  First I would agree that we cannot 
>expect to frequently compete for the national championship.  Once in a great 
>while when everything falls into place it could happen,  but usually the 
>football factories have a built in advantage.  We can expect to have a winning 
>record except when we are hit real hard with injuries.  I don't think we can 
>expect NU to have the depth that UM or OSU has.  We can also expect to often 
>compete for the Big10 championship.  I believe the RW can do this.  He's shown 
>that he is flexible enough to adapt to the athletes he has, rather than force 
>those same athletes to adopt his system.  He also seem's smart enough that he 
>will try to solve the problems on kick coverage and defense.  His main weakness 
>seems to be too much loyalty to his assistants.  I expect that he will address 
>that problem.  I certainly would not be in favor of bringin!
> g in some other coach who would want to impose his "system" on our team.
>
>I do wonder if we will always have some trouble on defense.  When you are on 
>offense you get to dictate the flow of the game.  Smart plays and smart players 
>can often overcome deficiences in talent.  When you're on defense you have to 
>react to what the other offense does and playing smart can't always overcome the 
>athleticism of the opposition.
>
>
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Wed Nov 16 19:08:35 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:34 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Walker's salary
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Great observation Jeff!  Barnett because of his charisma got 
endorsements when he was at NU from Burger King and even from the 
Orrington Hotel plus he had a radio program.  There is nothing about 
Walker that would attract an advertiser.  Maybe the marketing department 
at the Kellogg School could make Randy a class project as an example of 
a tough selling job.
John DeGroat


Jeff Beamsley wrote:

> 
>Harry,
>
>Sorry I have to pick on you again, but we ARE paying a lot of money to RW.
>
>The daily lists Walker's salary at $602,887
>
>Lloyd Carr's salary is half that much at UoM, but his total package is
>estimated to be between $1M and $1.5M.
>
>Barnett makes $1.6M a year (including slush funds) but his salary is only
>$200K.  Ron Zook has a similar package.
>
>Tressel is at a similar salary as Carr but his total package may be closer
>to $2M.  
>
>Ferentz comes the closest in salary at $582,800 with a total package in the
>same $1.5 - $2M range.
>
>I don't have numbers on all of the BT coaches, but in terms of salary Walker
>seems the highest paid.  It is certainly possible that he doesn't make as
>much in terms of total package and so the board feels that they have to make
>some of that up in salary because he doesn't have some of the big
>endorsement and personal appearance opportunities that the much bigger
>schools have.  But all of the "extra" money for these other coaches isn't
>coming out of the athletic department budget either.  It is whatever is
>considered their fair share of revenue that they are generating for the
>school.  
>
>So don't claim that RW is here because we can't afford any better.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
>Behalf Of Hakirsch@aol.com
>Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 4:26 PM
>To: CHerron604@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
>
>Let me clarify a few things--If we were to find a coach who could
>consistently win with the tough academic standards that we have, we would
>likely have to pay a ton of money for he and his staff to retain them
>--(That is, they would be considered top coaching prospects and likely hot
>commodities for major programs where they would get waved a lot of money at
>them-to move -does this sound familiar  ?--read GB) I don't want us to be at
>the top of charts for coaches' salaries.
>
>If Basanez is in fact the key reason for two 5-3 years in Conf (hopefully
>!), RW should get credit for recruiting him (or under his direction). 
>
>Us Techies such as Chuck can argue what is middle of the pack--6.7 out of 11
>in my mind is middle of the pack--as it is in the middle third--but to each
>their own-- 
>
>While I am in no position to know, I strongly suspect NU did not pay out $16
>MM --I assume we had some insurance which probably picked up a good portion
>of it 
>
>But back to the underlying question--should NU keep RW or not ?--Well the
>answer should be no if you think you can find someone who will do a better
>job--hey I like the idea of Fitz down the road--exemplifies all of the
>wonderful things NU athletics stand for--but tell me who do you think we
>could get right now  to improve our performance and be willing to pay his
>market value ?--Remember if they are that good, they are probably going to
>leave for either more money or more opportunity to win soon after they
>become known.
>
>Harry
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Wed Nov 16 19:15:51 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:36 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
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Jim:  I wrote to Rick Taylor and Mark Murphy and spoke to them both 
giving them a lot of reasons to get rid of Walker, some of which I 
articulated in my first letter.  I wasn't a national sampling of one 
either.  At the Navy game, Taylor felt obliged to read a letter at the 
NU tailgate party that he had sent to all the season ticket holders 
trying to explain why so many players were leaving the program.

John DeGroat

Jim Bendat wrote:

>Freedom of speech aside, I am stunned that some folks would choose this as the time to talk about a new coach.  We're going to a bowl game, for Christ's sake!  A lot of the same people on this list picked us to go 2-9 before the season began.  Walker has done a helluva job.
>
>Some folks suggest that Bienen and Walker go find some young stud to take over as head coach.  Other than Fitgerald, if we were to bring in anyone who were to have success at NU, that person would then be looking over his shoulder at "better" opportunities -- just like Barnett.
>
>Walker came here and, from day one, he said he wasn't the kind of guy who be looking for another job.  I believed him then, and I believe him now.  Okay, we got blown out by Ohio State.  C'mon --we had just won four of our previous five games!  Before the season, folks looking at our schedule could see that we faced a monster set of six games -- Wisconsin, Purdue, MSU, Michigan, Iowa  and Ohio State.  We won four of those six -- and some people here are complaining?!  
>
>Well, not me.  Sure, I'd like to compete for the Big Ten championship more often.  But I definitely also didn't like the fact that, for most of the 90's through 2002, we were either finishing in first place or 10th place.  I wanted to have us have more consistency, so that we could have a chance to reach some kind of bowl each year.  Well, for the last three seasons, we've done that.  Hail to Purple, Hail to White, and praise to Randy Walker.
>
>Jim Bendat
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Thu Nov 17 07:56:00 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:37 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU-Illinois on TV
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The NU-Illinois game will be carried on Dish Network's sports channel 463.

John DeGroat

From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Thu Nov 17 12:13:12 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A ray of hope for our special teams
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Jonathan:

The poor starting positions were due in large part to Walker's obsession 
with squib kicks as thought ,that was the solution to not having someone 
who could kick it into the end zone.

John DeGroat

Jonathan Hodges wrote:

>Finally picking up a solid kicker would help our special teams play,
>but it wouldn't be the end all solution as we'll still need good
>coverage on punts and kickoffs (at least once in a while if we can't
>get a touchback).  Also, will this guy punt and kick (Huffman did on
>occasion, although we all know his FG woes)?
>
>We need help in both areas, although Howells has been relatively solid
>this year (including hitting 5/6 vs. PSU), but we still don't see too
>many touchbacks on kickoffs.  I don't think I've seen any high booming
>kicks like Michigan and Iowa got off, although our punters have done a
>good job with directional punts on occasion - especially when they
>were trying to stick the opponent in their own end.
>
>Any small boost will help, though, as our special teams play is what
>gave Michigan, Iowa, and OSU a big edge in the past weeks (just look
>at the average drive starting position for NU and their opponent in
>those games).
>
>Jonathan
>
>On 11/14/05, Kaplan, Neil <neil.kaplan@carsdirect.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>http://my.highschooljournalism.org/az/scottsdale/hhs/article.cfm?eid=3950&ai
>>d=58673
>>
>>Proving that the net is perhaps the greatest time waster known to mankind -
>>attached is an article from his high school newspaper touting our newest
>>kicking recruit.
>>Cleaning up this part of our game is the single highest impact area to our
>>improvement.
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Thu Nov 17 18:53:52 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:41 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU game highlighted Randy Walker's shortcomings
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B. Schooler is right.  NU's athletic and/or PR departments can't even 
get ESPN to use "NU" instead of "NWU" when they give the scores.  I 
spent over 20 years in corporate investor relations and as consultant in 
that field and that kind of error wouldn't have been tolerated.  NU 
doesn't do the kind of job it should selling what we have to offer.  Our 
publicity seems to come more from tragic fiascoes like the Wheeler case 
and everything associated with it or from having someone like Bernardine 
Dohrn on the law school faculty.  Rick Telender doesn't help much either 
by promoting that he went to NU and then taking cheap shots at the 
football program.

John

MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:

> 
>B. Schooler writes:
>  
>
>>Because Northwestern expects "excellence"  in everything it does, including 
>>football. A Northwestern education  should be an asset during the 
>>    
>>
>recruiting 
> 
>Maybe because I just got back from a consulting gig and my marketing  
>synapses are working overtime I feel that our athletic department  misses  the point 
>that Bob makes clear.
>
> 
>We are not Tulane (where my ex-wife worked 15 years), Rice, Vandy,  or even 
>Stanford. NU is so much more. We are a top 10 National University, first  in 
>business (Kellogg), with a journalism school that in one year can turn out  Alan 
>and his little known classmates Wilbon and Brennen.  Maybe I am  missing our 
>marketing message but instead of being a "worst team of all time"  candidate 
>making good, we should spend a couple bucks to promote the CATS!! as a  miracle 
>team of winners from a world class university that can compete in a  cesspool 
>of college football (think SEC) athletics and still win. With the  brainpower 
>we have and the scribes, kids will flock to our pied piper of  educational 
>and athletic glory.
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Fri Nov 18 12:29:27 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 08:35:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
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Jeff:

That we would be so lucky as to have another school hire Walker.  I 
remember what the parent of a Miami player(s) told me when we played 
Miami a couple years ago, i.e., Miami players were glad to see him go.  
We now know why.  So far as his assistants being hired and has view of 
that, Walker may feel that Pat Fitzgerald is a threat to his job, so why 
not outplace him.  The coach that went to Oklahoma a couple years ago 
may have been perceived as a threat in the same way.

John DeGroat

Jeff Beamsley wrote:

>Sorry for picking on you again, but what is so bad about a coach doing great
>here and getting hired away?  Isn't that what RW has said his goal is for
>all of his assistants?  
>
>NU is not at the top of the coaching food chain.  I think most all of us are
>OK with that because we think that there is more to life than football.
>
>Anyone who does well here (including RW) is going to become the subject of
>rumors for open positions at higher football-profile schools REGARDLESS of
>what they are getting paid here and REGARDLESS of past statements of
>loyalty.  Whether they take advantage of those opportunities depends on how
>they see themselves.  
>
>For any school lower in the food chain, the only reliable way to prevent
>your coach from getting offers is to have consistently mediocre teams, and
>even in those circumstances the ambitious coaches will find a way to promote
>themselves.  
>
>So our choices are to pick a coach who thinks that NU is the best that they
>can do, and hope that continuity translates into success - OR - pick a coach
>who is ambitious and does his best to build a program which reflects that
>ambition.  
>
>I personally would prefer to have a coach who wants to be the best, deal
>with the reality that they may some day move on, and hold them accountable
>when they don't perform.  That appears to be Stanford's philosophy.  In
>other words, I would be willing to trade a handful of Motor City Bowls for
>the occasional Rose Bowl.  I also realize that this is a personal opinion
>and you can make a strong argument that coaching consistency will ultimately
>result in consistent winning.  
>
>As far as RW is concerned, I don't know what his personal ambitions are, but
>if he is able to put together another winning season next year, we'll
>probably find out.  I think we are all kidding ourselves, however, to think
>that he couldn't be hired away by someone else.  If that proves to be the
>case, it does point out that there are risks to the slow and steady approach
>too.  
>
>Jeff
>
>
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>
>In a message dated 11/17/2005 10:05:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:
>
>  
>
>>And as we see, Stanford either gets a coach who leaves in a few years 
>>for a better job or one who gets dumped in a few years.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Yep--read Bill Walsh, Dennis Green, Ty Willingham-
>
>Adding credence to my argument that if the coach really gets to be top notch
>
>at a school like  NU or Stanford (or similar) he will likely leave because 
>either he doesn't see greatness opportunity or those institutions won't pay
>huge 
>$ to keep them
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 10:46:15 2005
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Date: Sat Nov 19 10:47:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
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> hire Walker.  I 
> remember what the parent of a Miami player(s) told
> me when we played 
> Miami a couple years ago, i.e., Miami players were
> glad to see him go.  
> We now know why.  

Clue me in then - why? Because he's taken NU to more
bowl games than any other coach in school history?
Because Miami is a mid-MAC team now and lost another
coach (a pretty good one as well judging by IU's
performance this year)? Why are they glad they lost
him again?

Could it be that this parent who has come up time and
time again was just bitter about playing time or just
trying to be optimistic about the future with a new
coach?

And why start a baseless rumor that Walker sees Fitz
as a threat - Fitz has zero coordinator experience --
he's not a head coach threat to anybody in division
I-A right now. He's a head coach for the future, but
right now knows he has a lot to learn and is in the
right place to learn it. Oh, and how did that work out
for our old OC at OU? We replaced him with Dunbar and
have continued to roll up the yardage.

Sheesh - a season where no one expected us to be close
to .500 has turned into a bowl season. And we spend
all week leading up to the game with our in-state
rival talking about THIS? Not where we're going? Not
Illinois and Zook? Not great NU-UI games? Not the
season we've had? Just replacing the coach?!?!
Unbelievable.

I for one am looking forward to the Illinois game and
a tough matchup against rivals who are playing better
lately under Zook since the PSU embarassment, and also
to keeping Sweet Sioux in Evanston, finishing the
season 7-4 with a 5-3 mark in the Big Ten and heading
to the post season for just the sixth time in school
history. And hopefully to even brighter days ahead
than the last three solid years from Coach Walker and
the Cats!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From jason at jasonsinger.com  Sat Nov 19 12:53:52 2005
From: jason at jasonsinger.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat Nov 19 12:57:10 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tennessee...hmm...
Message-ID: <200511191853.jAJIrsxt010063@host14.webserver1010.com>

If the Vols lose, they will not be eligible to play in a bowl (currently
down 21-7 to Vandy).makes me wonder who we might play if we go to Nashville.
Of course, we still have to win this game. 

 

Also, can you believe dOSU-Mich is NOT being televised anywhere in
California.not GamePlan.nowhere! Ridiculous.

 

Jason Singer  SP'86

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 14:21:39 2005
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 19 14:22:46 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
In-Reply-To: <200511191853.jAJIrsxt010063@host14.webserver1010.com>
Message-ID: <20051119202139.68147.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Congratulations to the Cats on a 7-4 season. Given the youth on this team, that
is once heck of an accomplishment. 

So I've been thinking Music City, but the TV commentators kept saying Sun Bowl.
Does anyone know when we will find out?

Victory & Honor for at least one more game,
Jim


		
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 14:25:16 2005
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 19 14:26:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Sun Bowl omens...
In-Reply-To: <200511191853.jAJIrsxt010063@host14.webserver1010.com>
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I just looked at the Sun Bowl website. www.sunbowl.com

Two things:
1) They have NU, Minnesota, Iowa highlighted on the page. Since Minnesota got
crushed by Iowa, it looks like the Sun Bowl expects either us or the Hog Eyes.
2) The graphic they have for the Sun Bowl Fiesta event shows a marching band
wearing purple. they must know something.

Jim


		
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 14:37:58 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 19 14:39:05 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU-Illinois
Message-ID: <20051119203758.49349.qmail@web52913.mail.yahoo.com>

Good game - about what I expected. Close for a half
and then we just take over. Could have been a lot
worse if our offense had capitalized on some
second-half chances (like that nifty Colfield
interception - put Barry in at TE!).

But a great game from Baz (you just can't say enough
about Brett - I know Robinson probably gets Big Ten
MVP, but no player means as much to his team as Baz in
the league) and a good way to head into the bowl for
Sutton. The defense didn't do much, but did enough.
And we're inching closer to tying the overall series
with Illinois!:)

So that puts the Cats at 7-4 overall, and 5-3 in
league play for the second straight season. If OSU
comes back, we could even wind up tied for third place
in the league. Not too bad for a team that came into
the season with a lot of question marks and was
limping out of Kenosha with some big injury news.

So now we see how things shape up around the league --
Iowa's big win means that after PSU/OSU, the Big Ten
bowls can pretty much take who they want. Michigan,
Wisky and Iowa with their fans and prestige are
clearly top level and NU, Minny and (with a win) MSU
are clearly second tier. The announcers today seemed
to keep pushing NU for the Sun, but I still think
Nashville is the best bet. Either way, Tennessee in
their home state or a 9/10-win Pac 10 team will be a
tall order to get that elusive bowl win.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - All the talk of moral victories, lucky wins, etc.
this week gave me even more reason to hate the Domers.
Not only are they coasting this year off a "moral
victory" over USC (they have yet to beat anyone
outside of Michigan or look that impressive -
including today vs. lowly Syracuse) ... but the Irish
also don't get dinged for the close wins because of
that dang "luck of the Irish" myth. So at least one
school does get to have it both ways, even if the rest
of us get criticized for "lucky" escapes and don't
want to count moral victories. Ugh!:)

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 14:41:29 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 19 14:42:47 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
In-Reply-To: <20051119202139.68147.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051119204129.87493.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>

> Does anyone know when we will find out?

Well, if Michigan hangs on in the fourth, you can
pretty much book your tickets to Nashville. With no
second BCS bid, it'd look like this ...

BCS - PSU or Michigan
CITRUS - Michigan/PSU
OUTBACK - OSU/Wisky
ALAMO - OSU/Wisky

So that leaves the Sun to choose between us and Iowa.
And although we beat the hated Hawks, they have all
those RVs, were a preseason top 10 team with a bigger
draw and have been especially hot lately.

If OSU comes back, then Iowa heads to the Alamo and
the Sun gets to pick NU or Minny. I'd think the Music
City would work a deal to avoid the Gophers again, but
who knows.

GO CATS!!!
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From warneradams at comcast.net  Sat Nov 19 15:40:07 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Sat Nov 19 15:56:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
In-Reply-To: <20051119164615.3908.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200511192156.jAJLuVbl022824@gw.tssi.com>

Terrific post Stephen.  Walker took the 2nd youngest team in the Big 10 this
year to a tie for third without even the benefit of a game against Indiana.
Absolutely terrific job.  

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 10:46 AM
To: John A. DeGroat
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?

> hire Walker.  I 
> remember what the parent of a Miami player(s) told
> me when we played 
> Miami a couple years ago, i.e., Miami players were
> glad to see him go.  
> We now know why.  

Clue me in then - why? Because he's taken NU to more
bowl games than any other coach in school history?
Because Miami is a mid-MAC team now and lost another
coach (a pretty good one as well judging by IU's
performance this year)? Why are they glad they lost
him again?

Could it be that this parent who has come up time and
time again was just bitter about playing time or just
trying to be optimistic about the future with a new
coach?

And why start a baseless rumor that Walker sees Fitz
as a threat - Fitz has zero coordinator experience --
he's not a head coach threat to anybody in division
I-A right now. He's a head coach for the future, but
right now knows he has a lot to learn and is in the
right place to learn it. Oh, and how did that work out
for our old OC at OU? We replaced him with Dunbar and
have continued to roll up the yardage.

Sheesh - a season where no one expected us to be close
to .500 has turned into a bowl season. And we spend
all week leading up to the game with our in-state
rival talking about THIS? Not where we're going? Not
Illinois and Zook? Not great NU-UI games? Not the
season we've had? Just replacing the coach?!?!
Unbelievable.

I for one am looking forward to the Illinois game and
a tough matchup against rivals who are playing better
lately under Zook since the PSU embarassment, and also
to keeping Sweet Sioux in Evanston, finishing the
season 7-4 with a 5-3 mark in the Big Ten and heading
to the post season for just the sixth time in school
history. And hopefully to even brighter days ahead
than the last three solid years from Coach Walker and
the Cats!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 15:39:30 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 19 16:01:08 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
Message-ID: <1e9.474eabdb.30b0f592@aol.com>

UT lost so I think we get an ACC team if we go to Nashville. dOSU came back  
so they are BCS. My friends on the Citrus sports committee really want Wisky  
which has never been here, last year Iowa was here for the first time and put  
70,000 in the bowl. Michigan goes to the outcast bowl and we go to San 
Antonio  which is warmer than Nashville and a lot cooler than El  Paso.
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 16:24:10 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 19 16:28:07 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Here is an NU site I did not know about
Message-ID: <25a.1add588.30b1000a@aol.com>

_http://www.topix.net/ncaa/northwestern-football_ 
(http://www.topix.net/ncaa/northwestern-football) 
 
with a really funny story
 
_http://towleroad.typepad.com/towleroad/2005/11/northwestern_fo.html_ 
(http://towleroad.typepad.com/towleroad/2005/11/northwestern_fo.html) 
From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 16:27:21 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 19 16:28:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
Message-ID: <1fe.dd1616c.30b100c9@aol.com>

I think a telling  piece of evidence  of how well RW did this year is to look 
at all of the pre-season predictions on this site for the Cats.  I don't have 
a record but I don't seem to remember a lot of people suggesting 7-4--(and of 
course you have to figure everyone adds at least 1 win for the fan bias) .  
Yes I know college is tough to predict, (look at OK & Tenn) but the Cats sure 
surprised a lot of us.

Harry
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 19 16:29:54 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 16:33:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
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It's sort of fun to speculate.  Do you really think (despite the fact 
that we beat them) that the Alamo Bowl would take us ahead of Iowa?  I'm 
not so sure.  I still think we're headed to El Paso or Nashville -- most 
likely El Paso.

MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:

>UT lost so I think we get an ACC team if we go to Nashville. dOSU came back  
>so they are BCS. My friends on the Citrus sports committee really want Wisky  
>which has never been here, last year Iowa was here for the first time and put  
>70,000 in the bowl. Michigan goes to the outcast bowl and we go to San 
>Antonio  which is warmer than Nashville and a lot cooler than El  Paso.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 17:03:08 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 19 17:04:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
In-Reply-To: <1e9.474eabdb.30b0f592@aol.com>
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> UT lost so I think we get an ACC team if we go to
> Nashville. dOSU came back  

Yeah - too bad Vandy hadn't won the week before. An
NU-Vandy game in Nashville would be a lot of fun and
could be the highest combined SAT score bowl in
history!:)

As for the Vols - what the ?!?!? After preseason #2 or
so, to zilch? Yikes! Again - looking back at Notre
Dame's "tough" schedule now, we see that USC and
Michigan are the only sure bowl teams on the slate.
How are they ranked ahead of OSU again?

One question though - would we get an at-large team?
Isn't the Music City sixth on the SEC bowl list? Last
year the SEC had six teams and the Music City got
Alabama while the Independence and Houston went
at-large. With Bama getting trashed by Auburn, it
doesn't look like the SEC will get a second at-large
bid unless UGa edges LSU in the title game - and even
then it's tough to see it.

That could be bad news for whoever faces the SEC in
Nashville, because they only have six bowl teams, but
LSU, Auburn, Bama, UGa, Florida and the Gamecocks are
about as talented a six-pack as you'll see a
conference field in bowls. All six could be playing on
New Year's Day (well, Jan. 2 this year) -- right now
with injuries and all, Bama would appear to be #6 in
the order (or Florida if they lose to FSU) and either
one would be tough to beat in Nashville.

> so they are BCS. My friends on the Citrus sports
> committee really want Wisky  
> which has never been here, last year Iowa was here

Yeah - I imagine if they could get a Wisky-Florida
Citrus game (since UGa played Bucky in Tampa last
year), they'd have no trouble selling tickets.:)

> bowl and we go to San 
> Antonio  which is warmer than Nashville and a lot

I'd love to see it ... but I doubt we leap ahead of
Iowa. Oh well, we can hope!!! We did beat 'em and they
looked awfully tough down the stretch winning at
Madison and destroying Minny.

Whatever happens - we've still got one game left of
Baz and McGarrigle!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 18:54:04 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 19 18:55:12 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowl outlook ...
Message-ID: <20051120005404.64077.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, today was a good day for the league in terms of
getting a second BCS bid -- not only did OSU get a big
win, but Alabama's big loss knocks them out of the
Fiesta Bowl sweepstakes. There's a lot of football
left to play, but the scenario now looks like it's
VaTech and OSU for that last bid (sorry Oregon), and
OSU-ND has a lot more appeal than Hokies-Irish.

But you could always have a title game upset that
throws the picture off ... or with a couple losses,
VaTech could pull a Texas and earn an auto invite at
#4 in the BCS rankings.

With the Big Ten season complete - save for a trip to
Hawaii for the Cheeseheads (mmmmm, cheese luau!:) ),
though, here's one fan's guesstimate at the bowl
picture ...

BCS
===
* ROSE: USC vs. Texas - Only a major upset stops this
now
* SUGAR: LSU vs. West Virginia - Tigers fortunate to
hold off Auburn, though beating UGa in Atlanta will be
tough
* ORANGE: Penn State vs. Miami - A home game for the
Canes, but you can be there'll be a lot of folks from
PA there to renew this rivalry. Could be BCS #3 vs. #4
as well as a big ratings draw.
* FIESTA: Ohio State vs. Notre Dame - Since we don't
have the Rose Bowl in the afternoon, this one fills
the slot with a huge ratings game of Big Ten co-champs
vs. the Irish. And with an influx of leprechauns in
the Valley, I may even don scarlet and grey for a day
... well, maybe not that far!:)

BIG TEN
=======
* CITRUS: Wisconsin vs. Florida - The Badgers faced
UGa last year and Auburn's looking more impressive
than any SEC team now, but the home state Gators and
the well-traveled Cheeseheads will make this a hot
ticket in Orlando
* OUTBACK: Michigan vs. Auburn - Tough to see where
the SEC will slot its teams - will Bama go to Dallas?
Will UGa? Where do you put Auburn if the Peach really
wants Spurrier? But any SEC team vs. the Maize and
Blue is a great kickoff to bowl day and the way the
Tigers are playing lately, they gotta be on Jan. 2!
* ALAMO: Iowa vs. Oklahoma - Texas Tech earned the
Cotton bid and Colorado looks like they're headed to
San Diego, so that bumps out the Huskers and puts OU
here in a great plains matchup of talented coaches.
* SUN: Minnesota vs. UCLA - Could be a great showcase
game for the running backs. But UCLA really deserves a
better bowl.
* MUSIC CITY: Northwestern vs. South Carolina - If the
SEC can't get a second BCS team, one of their heavy
hitters slips to Nashville and that could be bad news
... but at least Spurrier vs. Walker promises a lot of
fireworks and points for the scoreboard!

BEST OF THE REST
================
* GATOR: Virginia Tech vs. Louisville - Yawn. If they
keep up the Big Least affiliation, bowl folks may swap
the Gator and Peach.
* COTTON: Texas Tech vs. Alabama - Dallas would prefer
OU-Bama for name's sake, but TT was in San Diego last
year.
* HOLIDAY: Colorado vs. Oregon - Could be a fun game,
and the Holiday Bowl usually is one of the best.
* PEACH: Florida State vs. Georgia - Bowl folks
probably prefer SC, but how can you knock the Dawgs
down much further? This used to be a BCS matchup.

It's fun to be in the mix again -- I don't see many
scenarios for us being favored in a bowl unless OSU
misses the BCS and we slip to the Motor City. But you
never know ...

GO CATS!!!
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sat Nov 19 18:56:49 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 18:57:21 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
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A weak Illinois an up 400 plus yards against Randy Walker's defense.  
With a 7-4 record, I just hope that we don't end up in a bowl game that 
results in an Alamo Bowl type blow out.  The ESPN announcers had it 
right, without Basanez, NU would have had a pretty poor season given the 
lack of  defense. 

My conclusion is that we're stuck with Walker and that the only hope is 
that either some other school comes after him or that Mark Murphy tells 
him to get at least a new defensive coordinator.  Pat Fitzgerald is 
probably up to the job now.  He certainly wouldn't be worse than what we 
have now.

Jim Bendat wrote:

> It's sort of fun to speculate.  Do you really think (despite the fact 
> that we beat them) that the Alamo Bowl would take us ahead of Iowa?  
> I'm not so sure.  I still think we're headed to El Paso or Nashville 
> -- most likely El Paso.
>
> MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:
>
>> UT lost so I think we get an ACC team if we go to Nashville. dOSU 
>> came back  so they are BCS. My friends on the Citrus sports committee 
>> really want Wisky  which has never been here, last year Iowa was here 
>> for the first time and put  70,000 in the bowl. Michigan goes to the 
>> outcast bowl and we go to San Antonio  which is warmer than Nashville 
>> and a lot cooler than El  Paso.
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sat Nov 19 19:12:26 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 19:12:57 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
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Roy:

I don't dislike Walker, I've never met him since he never comes to 
alumni  meetings in NY, Washington D.C. or Philly.  I just don't think 
that he is the best coach that NU can attract.  He makes dumb statements 
in the press; in seven years has had a defense consistently ranked among 
the 100 plus worst in Division I; blamed the players when we lost; drove 
players out of the program that were starters, etc.

John DeGroat

Roy Lamberton wrote:

>RW had a couple of schools in his contract at Miami of OH that let him out if
>those jobs were offered.
>
>One of them was Northwestern, I suspect another was North Carolina.
>
>Walker apparently liked his time here as an assistant and was convinced [and
>convinced the powers that be at the time] that NU could field a consistent
>winner, and indeed said when he was hired that he hoped to field a national
>champ. The board in the big meeting hall where he does the weekly press conf,
>and the signing day conference leads off with "Be a Northwestern Grad, followed
>by win a National Championship." At least it used to.
>
>If you don't believe me, I have pictures...[attached]
>
>Anyway, from time to time I hear rumors that RW has been approached but I never
>hear any more about it. I think he's very happy in Evanston and enjoys his
>players and the life here.
>
>When he goes recruiting, he's got a world class airport to fly from, and can get
>almost anywhere in 3 hours.
>
>His kids graduated from NU, and his dog likes walking on the lakefront [so we've
>been told]
>
>I wonder if a lot of the dislike towards RW is actually a reflection of a
>dislike by many alums towards the man who hired him - Rick Taylor?
>
>Hmmmmm
>
>rsl
>
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>
>>If he was someone who wanted a JoePA-type position, why did 
>>he leave Miami?
>>
>>    
>>
>>
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sat Nov 19 19:20:21 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 19:20:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
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The Miami parent had no reason to complain or be bitter, his kids were 
starters, yet the Miami players were glad to see him go.  By the way, at 
the last MSU game in East Lansing, the parent of one of our starters 
said the players didn't like Walker and that players like Chris Brown 
who transferred to Colorado would have stayed but for Walker's 
attitude.  Walker has said that he likes to see his assistant coaches 
move on to other schools.  I read that as the corporate game of don't 
have your potential replacement working for you.  You never heard 
Paterno say that he is glad to see his assistants move  on.

John DeGroat

SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

>>hire Walker.  I 
>>remember what the parent of a Miami player(s) told
>>me when we played 
>>Miami a couple years ago, i.e., Miami players were
>>glad to see him go.  
>>We now know why.  
>>    
>>
>
>Clue me in then - why? Because he's taken NU to more
>bowl games than any other coach in school history?
>Because Miami is a mid-MAC team now and lost another
>coach (a pretty good one as well judging by IU's
>performance this year)? Why are they glad they lost
>him again?
>
>Could it be that this parent who has come up time and
>time again was just bitter about playing time or just
>trying to be optimistic about the future with a new
>coach?
>
>And why start a baseless rumor that Walker sees Fitz
>as a threat - Fitz has zero coordinator experience --
>he's not a head coach threat to anybody in division
>I-A right now. He's a head coach for the future, but
>right now knows he has a lot to learn and is in the
>right place to learn it. Oh, and how did that work out
>for our old OC at OU? We replaced him with Dunbar and
>have continued to roll up the yardage.
>
>Sheesh - a season where no one expected us to be close
>to .500 has turned into a bowl season. And we spend
>all week leading up to the game with our in-state
>rival talking about THIS? Not where we're going? Not
>Illinois and Zook? Not great NU-UI games? Not the
>season we've had? Just replacing the coach?!?!
>Unbelievable.
>
>I for one am looking forward to the Illinois game and
>a tough matchup against rivals who are playing better
>lately under Zook since the PSU embarassment, and also
>to keeping Sweet Sioux in Evanston, finishing the
>season 7-4 with a 5-3 mark in the Big Ten and heading
>to the post season for just the sixth time in school
>history. And hopefully to even brighter days ahead
>than the last three solid years from Coach Walker and
>the Cats!
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>
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>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog@yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!!
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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sat Nov 19 19:33:53 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Sat Nov 19 19:35:05 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
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SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

>>UT lost so I think we get an ACC team if we go to
>>Nashville. dOSU came back  
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah - too bad Vandy hadn't won the week before. An
>NU-Vandy game in Nashville would be a lot of fun and
>could be the highest combined SAT score bowl in
>history!:)
>
>As for the Vols - what the ?!?!? After preseason #2 or
>so, to zilch? Yikes! Again - looking back at Notre
>Dame's "tough" schedule now, we see that USC and
>Michigan are the only sure bowl teams on the slate.
>How are they ranked ahead of OSU again?
>
>One question though - would we get an at-large team?
>Isn't the Music City sixth on the SEC bowl list? Last
>year the SEC had six teams and the Music City got
>Alabama while the Independence and Houston went
>at-large. With Bama getting trashed by Auburn, it
>doesn't look like the SEC will get a second at-large
>bid unless UGa edges LSU in the title game - and even
>then it's tough to see it.
>
>That could be bad news for whoever faces the SEC in
>Nashville, because they only have six bowl teams, but
>LSU, Auburn, Bama, UGa, Florida and the Gamecocks are
>about as talented a six-pack as you'll see a
>conference field in bowls. All six could be playing on
>New Year's Day (well, Jan. 2 this year) -- right now
>with injuries and all, Bama would appear to be #6 in
>the order (or Florida if they lose to FSU) and either
>one would be tough to beat in Nashville.
>
>  
>
>>so they are BCS. My friends on the Citrus sports
>>committee really want Wisky  
>>which has never been here, last year Iowa was here
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah - I imagine if they could get a Wisky-Florida
>Citrus game (since UGa played Bucky in Tampa last
>year), they'd have no trouble selling tickets.:)
>
>  
>
>>bowl and we go to San 
>>Antonio  which is warmer than Nashville and a lot
>>    
>>
>
>I'd love to see it ... but I doubt we leap ahead of
>Iowa. Oh well, we can hope!!! We did beat 'em and they
>looked awfully tough down the stretch winning at
>Madison and destroying Minny.
>
>Whatever happens - we've still got one game left of
>Baz and McGarrigle!
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>
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I don't believe that we would be eligible for an at-large bid because 
the Big Ten will not fill all its bowl slots.  To get an at-large bid, 
one of two things has to happen.  You have to be an independent (Navy 
will assuredly get a bid - likely to the bowl in San Francisco whatever 
it's called these days) or your conference has to have filled all of its 
slots and have bowl eligible teams left over.  We won't be in that 
position, even with OSU in the BCS.  The Big Ten has 7 bowl affiliations 
and only 7 bowl eligible schools.  If OSU gets a BCS big, the Motor City 
Bowl will have to go to an at-large team for to fill the Big Ten slot.  
That's a long answer to a simple no.

 From the looks of things, I would guess that we will be going to the 
Sun, as the Alamo will most likely want those Iowa winnebagos.  Outback 
wants Michigan and we won't fall to Nashville.  The one thing that 
mitigate against the Sun is a victory by Arizona State over Arizona next 
week.  That makes ASU bowl eligible.  I don't think they would be high 
enough in the Pac-10 to reach the Alamo, particularly if OSU goes to the 
BCS and not Oregon, but if they do, the Sun Bowl would probably not want 
a rematch.  The most likely pairing is NU against the winner of the Big 
Game tonight between Cal and Stanford.  It still gives us a match of 
brains, so we get a good replacement for Vandy.
Mark

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Mark

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 19 19:39:04 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov 19 19:43:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
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My prediction is the Sun Bowl vs. UCLA.  


From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Sat Nov 19 20:04:22 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Sat Nov 19 20:05:33 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
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Music City vs. South Carolina

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Jim Bendat wrote:

> My prediction is the Sun Bowl vs. UCLA.

From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 20:06:35 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 19 20:07:51 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
Message-ID: <1eb.46570674.30b1342b@aol.com>

Hey Mark,
 
If we go vs. Berkeley, it's "Purple Haze" against "Summer of Love" and all  
that.  It will bring back our college era of anti-war protest and hippies  big 
time--although as you and I both remember, NU was hardly a hotbed of  
anti-establishment activity in those days of the early '70's--although there  were 2 
huge Strikes against the Vietnam War, with Eva Jefferson leading the  first one 
and becoming a national figure in the process.
 
If it's Stanford, the press will say it would be better if the match was to  
be played on the old show "GE College Bowl" or on "Jeopardy" than out on the  
gridiron.
 
Although I still think The Music City Bowl will try to grab NU, since the  
trip from Chicago is not that onerous and gives a better chance of decent  
attendance.  I guess we'll know by tomorrow at this time.  I assume  everything 
depends upon the ripple effect from the BCS bids and whether the  Bucks go to a 
"Big Bowl" or not.
 
Paul Levinson
From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Sat Nov 19 20:00:27 2005
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Sat Nov 19 20:08:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE8AA@goose.latimes.com>

Mine 2. And we can and should win.  
 - Alan




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My prediction is the Sun Bowl vs. UCLA.  


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From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 20:08:14 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 19 20:09:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
Message-ID: <159.5d096d52.30b1348e@aol.com>

Jim,
If we have to play another team from Southern California--10 years  later--at 
least this one won't have 2 things that tortured me at the Rose  
Bowl--Keyshawn Johnson and the damn U.S.C. band, which I sat next to in the  First Half 
and which plays constantly at a louder decibel level than any "WHO"  Concert I 
ever attended!
 
Paul Levinson
From warneradams at comcast.net  Sat Nov 19 20:10:59 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Sat Nov 19 20:11:40 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Today's Milestones
Message-ID: <200511200211.jAK2Babl026957@gw.tssi.com>

With the win today Randy Walker moved ahead of Ara Parseghian and Dick
Hanley into second place all-time among Northwestern head coaches in number
of wins.  The list is headed by Pappy Waldorf with 49.  

 

Northwestern has had 11 head coaches last 5 years or more, Dick Hanley
posted the best winning percentage (.576) and Dennis Green (.182) the worst.
The list is as follows:

 

Dick Hanley                   .576

Glen Thistlethwaite         .551

Pappy Waldorf               .520

Ara Parseghian              .507

Fred Murphy                  .500

Bob Voigts                    .459

Randy Walker                .451

Gary Barnett                  .438

Alex Agase                   .357

John Pont                      .218

Francis Peay                 .212

Dennis Green                .182

 

After 11 games this year, Northwestern has posted its second highest per
game scoring average in the history of the school at 31.8 per game.  The
defense has allowed 32.5 points per game which, unfortunately, is the 23rd
time since 1950 that the Cats have allowed at least 30 points a game (unless
we come up with a shutout in our bowl game).  The first time the Cats gave
up that many points in a season after 1950 was Ara's second year (1957) when
the winless squad (0-9) allowed 30.1 a game.  It wouldn't happen again until
1968-69 under Alex Agase.  

 

Starting in 1977, however, it became a regular occurrence for the
defensively challenged Cats of that era as they allowed 30 plus in 15 of the
next 18 seasons until the Barnett squads started shutting the door on
opponents.  From 1995-97 the Cats kept opponents under 25 a game with the
great 1995 squad allowing only 15.1 points a game (the lowest for us since
1963). 

 

In Barnett's 7 seasons, the Cats scored 20.6 a game and allowed 26.5.  In
Walker's seven, the Cats have scored 25.7 a game and allowed 32.1.  

 

David Warner

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 20:10:30 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 19 20:11:49 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
Message-ID: <26b.67224.30b13516@aol.com>

Well it looks like ND is a lock on a BCS since Stanfordis giving it all vs 
Cal right now and won't have anything left for the Irish next week. So that 
leaves one at large birth--Ohio State is definately looking good, but Oregon right 
now is beating the heck out of Oregon State and has only lost to SC  so they 
may get the bid.  If that happens, I gotta believe we head to Nashville--

If not , and the Bucks get in, then we I predict we will be in Texas 
somewhere--(If it's UCLA as suggested , then both schools could save money by leaving 
their defenses home)

Harry
From jason at jasonsinger.com  Sat Nov 19 20:25:47 2005
From: jason at jasonsinger.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat Nov 19 20:29:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] El Paso hotel CHEAP!
Message-ID: <200511200225.jAK2Pmxt020861@host14.webserver1010.com>

If you don't care how nice the hotel is, I found a ridiculously inexpensive
hotel not far from the Stadium with decent reviews.

 

The Value Inn Extended Stay Hotel is only 32.00/night. Just a tip.

 

http://www.bestvalueinn.com/bestv.cfm?idp=473

 

Jason Singer

From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Sat Nov 19 20:43:55 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Sat Nov 19 20:45:00 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Baz and Tyrell's postgame on-the-field interview on ESPN
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511192019460.16874@localhost>

The highlight reel on espn.com is here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=253230356
<http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=253230356>

Baz clearly comes across as a guy who's got a degree from NU in 
Communications and is getting a Master's in the same - he's so incredibly 
well-spoken and I believe reflects incredibly well on our program.  He 
made sure to throw in a little praise for Coach Dunbar, which was nice to 
hear.  It was especially nice to hear given that this list has been a 
little flooded recently with unreasonably-negative charges and 
poorly-sourced rumors attacking our coaches and the job they've done this 
season.

I was particularly impressed with Tyrell's interview - another well-spoken 
young man who comes across as confident without being arrogant.  It's 
clear from Baz's playful gesture when Tyrell was talking about some of the 
seniors' experience and leadership "rubbing off" on him that there's a lot 
of good things going on in the lockerroom and off the field that we can 
and should be proud of.  Team building is a tough exercise for any coach, 
and Walker and his staff seem to have done a tremendous job of it since 
the tragedy of 2001 and the dark year of 2002.

A good Division I coach is hard to find, but one whose recruiting skills 
are so good as to continue to recruit high-quality, intelligent, and 
often-overlooked talent to a school like Northwestern without compromising 
by taking the criminals and the intellectually inept is worth a great 
deal.  Getting Pat Fitzgerald back on the staff as linebackers coach and 
now recruiting coordinator was a huge hiring success for Walker, and one 
which I believe will benefit both Fitz and the program in the long-term 
and in the short.

Having a season like this one after two six-win campaigns in a row is a 
great positive for this program.  Making this season's tally eight would 
be the icing on the cake, I believe.  But this season already is one in 
which our seniors, underclassmen, and especially coaching staff can and 
should take pride in. They've had some down times against good teams, but 
they've bounced back from those tough losses and upset other good teams. 
Most importantly, they've played with a ton of heart, pride, and guts.

Here's hoping for a great bowl draw and a Victory for the holidays. 
Expect it.

Go 'Cats,

Jonathan

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 20:46:55 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 19 20:48:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
In-Reply-To: <437FD281.6050309@insightbb.com>
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> I don't believe that we would be eligible for an
> at-large bid because 
> the Big Ten will not fill all its bowl slots.  To

I think you misunderstood me - I was responding to a
post saying that since Tennessee lost, we'd likely
face an at-large ACC team in Nashville since the SEC
is out of teams. But I thought the Music City was #6
in SEC pecking order, so -- unless the SEC gets two
BCS teams -- we'd still face one of their Big Six this
year.

> wants Michigan and we won't fall to Nashville.  The
> one thing that 
> mitigate against the Sun is a victory by Arizona
> State over Arizona next 

Out here in Phoenix, they don't even hope for the Sun
-- it's Insight or Vegas if ASU wins. Unless the Pac
10 gets an extra BCS team in Oregon, it's tough to see
anyone but USC, Oregon and UCLA (their three ranked
teams most of the year) getting their top three bids
(BCS, Holiday and Sun).

> a rematch.  The most likely pairing is NU against
> the winner of the Big 
> Game tonight between Cal and Stanford.  It still
> gives us a match of 

Well, if Oregon gets a second BCS slot, then we'd
probably get Cal -- but if not, it'd have to be Oregon
or UCLA. Which would be a tough matchup either way.
Yeah, UCLA has a poor D like us, but their O is pretty
solid and they've been a top 15 team most of the
season.

Of course, if Oregon beats out OSU for the Fiesta
spot, then we've got no shot at the Sun Bowl anyway
and would be in Nashville.

UCLA-NU would have a high over/under line, but we
would certainly be big underdogs. Ditto for facing one
of the six ranked SEC teams in their backyard.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Nov 19 21:50:43 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Nov 19 21:57:51 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowl outlook ...
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At 11/19/2005 07:54 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote:
>* FIESTA: Ohio State vs. Notre Dame

Who in God's name do you root for in this game?  Talk about having to 
choose between the lesser of two evils....

-Michael 

From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 22:05:39 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 19 22:06:53 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowl outlook ...
Message-ID: <236.1e35ca5.30b15013@aol.com>

Forget that horror show.  Ga. Tech is on the verge of upsetting Miami,  and 
the whole BCS shindig will be thrown into chaos with this result.  Will  
someone explain whether this means Oregon is in, along with OSU and ND, while  Miami 
will be out.
 
Paul Levinson
From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Nov 19 22:07:38 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Nov 19 22:08:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] One step closer to a real Rose Bowl....
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051119230512.03e1cc18@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

Barring a late fumble, Georgia Tech is about to upset Miami.  All we need 
now is for the Aggies to find their life next week and upset Vince Young 
and the Longhorns or for Barnett & Colorado to knock them off in the Big 
XII championship game and we'll have a real, honest-to-goodness Big Ten vs. 
Pac-10 Rose Bowl!

-Michael

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 22:17:27 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 19 22:18:35 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] And how quickly things change ...
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> someone explain whether this means Oregon is in,
> along with OSU and ND, while  Miami 
> will be out.

Early gut reaction - bad news for the Big Ten and
Oregon.

With Miami now out of the ACC title game, they'd be a
pretty good option for an at-large berth if the
opponent is their old rivals from South Bend. That'd
make ...

* ROSE: USC vs. Texas
* ORANGE: VaTech/FSU vs. Penn State
* SUGAR: LSU vs. West Virginia
* FIESTA: Notre Dame vs. Miami

Knocking everyone down a peg and all but guaranteeing
NU vs. Spurrier in Nashville.

Of course, it could all change next week if SC or
Texas loses to their rivals or who knows what else
happens! All I'm hoping for is a big Stanford upset.
Go Treez!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 23:09:16 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 19 23:13:15 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
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Facts about 3 of the Big Ten's bowls:
 
The Alamo Bowl is played in a 66,000 seat stadium.  Attendance since 1995 has varied between 50,690 (Wisconsin-Colorado in 2002) and 65,380 (Penn State-A&M in 1999).  Our attendance of 60,028 was right in the middle (sixth-highest).  The variability of the ten-year attendance figures would suggest a high-dependancy on tickets sold to participating schools.
 
The Sun Bowl is played in a stadium that seats 50,426.  Attendance since 1995 has varied slightly, between 47,812 (Purdue-Washingon State in 2001) and 51,288 (Purdue-Arizona State in 2004).  The low attendance of 42,721 in 1996 has been attributed to a major sponsorship change, from John Hancock to Wells Fargo (by way of its predecessor Norwest Bank).  The ten-year attendance variability here is pretty low, indicating less dependancy on participant ticket sales.
 
The Music City Bowl is played in the 68,798 seat Coliseum in Nashville.  Big Ten attendance figures are limited - we have only been going since 2002.  Attendance has risen steadily from 39,183 (Minnesota-Arkansas in 2002) to 66,089 (Minnesota-Alabama in 2004).
 
Could it be that the recent shift in bowl prediction from Music City to Sun might involve some conference/bowl discussions to insure that the lower-tier bowls in the bigger stadiums associate themselves with the Hawks and the Gophers, while the smaller-sited Sun Bowl looks more closely at us ?
 
Just a thought...
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:46:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] when will we know?


> I don't believe that we would be eligible for an
> at-large bid because 
> the Big Ten will not fill all its bowl slots.  To

I think you misunderstood me - I was responding to a
post saying that since Tennessee lost, we'd likely
face an at-large ACC team in Nashville since the SEC
is out of teams. But I thought the Music City was #6
in SEC pecking order, so -- unless the SEC gets two
BCS teams -- we'd still face one of their Big Six this
year.

> wants Michigan and we won't fall to Nashville.  The
> one thing that 
> mitigate against the Sun is a victory by Arizona
> State over Arizona next 

Out here in Phoenix, they don't even hope for the Sun
-- it's Insight or Vegas if ASU wins. Unless the Pac
10 gets an extra BCS team in Oregon, it's tough to see
anyone but USC, Oregon and UCLA (their three ranked
teams most of the year) getting their top three bids
(BCS, Holiday and Sun).

> a rematch.  The most likely pairing is NU against
> the winner of the Big 
> Game tonight between Cal and Stanford.  It still
> gives us a match of 

Well, if Oregon gets a second BCS slot, then we'd
probably get Cal -- but if not, it'd have to be Oregon
or UCLA. Which would be a tough matchup either way.
Yeah, UCLA has a poor D like us, but their O is pretty
solid and they've been a top 15 team most of the
season.

Of course, if Oregon beats out OSU for the Fiesta
spot, then we've got no shot at the Sun Bowl anyway
and would be in Nashville.

UCLA-NU would have a high over/under line, but we
would certainly be big underdogs. Ditto for facing one
of the six ranked SEC teams in their backyard.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From johnl at mac.com  Sat Nov 19 23:50:02 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sat Nov 19 23:50:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] And how quickly things change ...
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There's no way that Miami would get picked over Ohio State for an 
at-large BCS bid.

1) Ohio State is playing much better, especially late in the season.  
Their only losses are to top 5 teams, and both of those games were 
close.  Miami got knocked off by an unranked team at home.  In their 
home finale against an unranked team, Ohio State . . . we won't go 
there.

2) Most importantly, though, Ohio State is the #3 most popular college 
football team in the land.  Miami---not so much.



On Nov 19, 2005, at 10:17 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

>> someone explain whether this means Oregon is in,
>> along with OSU and ND, while  Miami
>> will be out.
>
> Early gut reaction - bad news for the Big Ten and
> Oregon.
>
> With Miami now out of the ACC title game, they'd be a
> pretty good option for an at-large berth if the
> opponent is their old rivals from South Bend. That'd
> make ...
>
> * ROSE: USC vs. Texas
> * ORANGE: VaTech/FSU vs. Penn State
* SUGAR: LSU vs. West Virginia
> * FIESTA: Notre Dame vs. Miami
>
> Knocking everyone down a peg and all but guaranteeing
> NU vs. Spurrier in Nashville.
>
> Of course, it could all change next week if SC or
> Texas loses to their rivals or who knows what else
> happens! All I'm hoping for is a big Stanford upset.
> Go Treez!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 20 00:01:39 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov 20 00:08:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] And how quickly things change ...
References: <20051120041727.28554.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com>
	<f739969cbd80ebd15759d62d7cd396ec@mac.com>
Message-ID: <43801143.2060606@earthlink.net>

Say what?  I have never, ever heard that Ohio State is popular with 
anyone other than morons.  Now, granted, there are a lot of morons in 
this country.  But I'd venture to say that even the vast majority of 
morons do not like Ohio State.

>
> 2) Most importantly, though, Ohio State is the #3 most popular college 
> football team in the land.  Miami---not so much.
>



From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 02:02:53 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 20 02:04:04 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] And how quickly things change ...
Message-ID: <24b.1c63935.30b187ad@aol.com>

And for anyone who is not on the West Coast and didn'r see the SC final, we 
almost had a real shake up with SC down by a point in the 4th quarter coming 
back to win (Geez wasn't NU up by a point in the 4th quarter of the Rose Bowl 
against these guys ?!)--Figuring out bowls would have been really interesting as 
it probably would have forced SC to a lesser BCS bowl--anyhow it is 
--immaterial  , but I am still betting on Nashville for the Cats (John Sebastion  would 
love those words)


Harry
From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sun Nov 20 06:45:36 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sun Nov 20 06:46:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
Message-ID: <43806FF0.2050508@bellatlantic.net>

Walker is still making excuses for a poor defense, which in my opinion, 
is more of a reflection on the coaching than on the players.  If we have 
to play UCLA in El Paso, it could be the Amazon Bowl all over again.  
The NU offense when Basanez is focused is remarkable, no doubt about that.

John
http://www.suntimes.com/output/sports/cst-spt-nu20.html
From NUMBalum78 at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 10:19:06 2005
From: NUMBalum78 at aol.com (NUMBalum78@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 20 10:23:05 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
Message-ID: <1ef.472ecf4f.30b1fbfa@aol.com>


Yep, I was at that "Amazon Bowl" game -- the one in Brazil where the 'Cats 
lost out to this incredible team of female warriors who cheated by bringing 
their bows and arrows, right?   And then we got jobbed by those horrible refs who 
let the Amazons shoot poison darts at our quarterback when the clock was 
running out!   (Or maybe this is just a twisted recollection of the Hawaii game 
last year.) 

Look it's a free country and there's nothing to stop anyone who wants to fill 
this list with anti-Walker rhetoric, no matter how nonsensical it might be.  
(Although I wonder if we really needed a dozen anti-Walker posts yesterday in 
less than 15 minutes.  That may have been a new Sports List record.)  
Everybody on this list knows that our defense has had more than its share of problems 
this season, dating back to a spate of injuries and departures last summer.  
Coaching isn't the only explanation for our defensive woes, and may not even be 
the primary factor.  

But gee whiz people WE'RE GOING TO A BOWL which is an accomplishment that few 
of us would have predicted at the start of the season!  Even with all their 
problems, our defense showed tremendous heart and character and found a way to 
stop some very good offenses when they needed to.  

I, for one, have enjoyed this season and I hope Walker sticks around -- in my 
opinion he's earned it.  I hope the naysayers won't mind too much if I sit 
back and enjoy the prospect of going to a bowl game.  Thanks.  


In a message dated 11/20/2005 7:47:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
johnadeg@bellatlantic.net writes:
Walker is still making excuses for a poor defense, which in my opinion, 
is more of a reflection on the coaching than on the players.  If we have 
to play UCLA in El Paso, it could be the Amazon Bowl all over again.  
The NU offense when Basanez is focused is remarkable, no doubt about that.

John
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 10:50:48 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 20 10:51:57 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] And how quickly things change ...
In-Reply-To: <f739969cbd80ebd15759d62d7cd396ec@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20051120165048.66054.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com>

> There's no way that Miami would get picked over Ohio
> State for an 

I hope not, but ...

> 1) Ohio State is playing much better, especially
> late in the season.  
> Their only losses are to top 5 teams, and both of

Oh, I agree OSU is more *deserving*, but the secondary
BCS bowls are rarely about deserving, which is why
Oregon won't be going anywhere in the BCS. It's about
tickets and ratings ...

> 2) Most importantly, though, Ohio State is the #3
> most popular college 

... agreed. If you're looking to fill seats, you
invite ND, Michigan, OSU or an SEC power. However,
since the Fiesta would already have Notre Dame to sell
the tickets, they may want the best TV grab possible.
And while OSU/ND is a good ole' midwestern shootout,
it doesn't have the storied rivalry past of Catholics
vs. Convicts.

Just an early gut reaction - we'll see how these
things shake out. SC escaped last night, Miami didn't.
Texas still visits Aggieland. And LSU has a SEC title
game in Georgia's backyard. So the only one in the
clubhouse waiting now is PSU.

Hopefully in the long run the power of the Big Ten
wins out and we all move up to a better bowl with OSU
in Tempe, but Miami losing may have thrown a wrench
into those plans.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sun Nov 20 10:58:00 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sun Nov 20 10:58:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
In-Reply-To: <1ef.472ecf4f.30b1fbfa@aol.com>
References: <1ef.472ecf4f.30b1fbfa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4380AB18.9000401@bellatlantic.net>

What was Randy Walker thinking about when he left Basanez in the game 
when it was obviously won.  What if Basanez had gotten hurt ?  Like to 
see NU in a bowl game without Basanez?
John DeGroat
NUMBalum78@aol.com wrote:

>Yep, I was at that "Amazon Bowl" game -- the one in Brazil where the 'Cats 
>lost out to this incredible team of female warriors who cheated by bringing 
>their bows and arrows, right?   And then we got jobbed by those horrible refs who 
>let the Amazons shoot poison darts at our quarterback when the clock was 
>running out!   (Or maybe this is just a twisted recollection of the Hawaii game 
>last year.) 
>
>Look it's a free country and there's nothing to stop anyone who wants to fill 
>this list with anti-Walker rhetoric, no matter how nonsensical it might be.  
>(Although I wonder if we really needed a dozen anti-Walker posts yesterday in 
>less than 15 minutes.  That may have been a new Sports List record.)  
>Everybody on this list knows that our defense has had more than its share of problems 
>this season, dating back to a spate of injuries and departures last summer.  
>Coaching isn't the only explanation for our defensive woes, and may not even be 
>the primary factor.  
>
>But gee whiz people WE'RE GOING TO A BOWL which is an accomplishment that few 
>of us would have predicted at the start of the season!  Even with all their 
>problems, our defense showed tremendous heart and character and found a way to 
>stop some very good offenses when they needed to.  
>
>I, for one, have enjoyed this season and I hope Walker sticks around -- in my 
>opinion he's earned it.  I hope the naysayers won't mind too much if I sit 
>back and enjoy the prospect of going to a bowl game.  Thanks.  
>
>
>In a message dated 11/20/2005 7:47:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>johnadeg@bellatlantic.net writes:
>Walker is still making excuses for a poor defense, which in my opinion, 
>is more of a reflection on the coaching than on the players.  If we have 
>to play UCLA in El Paso, it could be the Amazon Bowl all over again.  
>The NU offense when Basanez is focused is remarkable, no doubt about that.
>
>John
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>  
>

From cyrilku at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 11:29:31 2005
From: cyrilku at yahoo.com (Cyril S. Ku)
Date: Sun Nov 20 11:37:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
In-Reply-To: <1ef.472ecf4f.30b1fbfa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051120172931.97561.qmail@web53314.mail.yahoo.com>

Come on people, we are 7-4 and we are going to a bowl.
LET US CELEBRATE! Instead I saw more than 100 posts
about firing our coaches and a whole bunch of
negativities about our football program. Why? I just
don't get it!

We lost many key players before the season. We are the
second youngest team in Big Ten and we played one of
the toughest schedules in the nation. Yet we are 7-4,
the third place in Big Ten. I don't know about you but
I am extremely proud of our team.

I would like to take this opportunity to say thanks to
our coaches and players for a special season. I (and
hopefully many members on this list) will support you
in whatever bowl you are going to play. I am proud to
be a Wildcat.

GO CATS!

Cyril Ku

--- NUMBalum78@aol.com wrote:

> 
> Yep, I was at that "Amazon Bowl" game -- the one in
> Brazil where the 'Cats 
> lost out to this incredible team of female warriors
> who cheated by bringing 
> their bows and arrows, right?   And then we got
> jobbed by those horrible refs who 
> let the Amazons shoot poison darts at our
> quarterback when the clock was 
> running out!   (Or maybe this is just a twisted
> recollection of the Hawaii game 
> last year.) 
> 
> Look it's a free country and there's nothing to stop
> anyone who wants to fill 
> this list with anti-Walker rhetoric, no matter how
> nonsensical it might be.  
> (Although I wonder if we really needed a dozen
> anti-Walker posts yesterday in 
> less than 15 minutes.  That may have been a new
> Sports List record.)  
> Everybody on this list knows that our defense has
> had more than its share of problems 
> this season, dating back to a spate of injuries and
> departures last summer.  
> Coaching isn't the only explanation for our
> defensive woes, and may not even be 
> the primary factor.  
> 
> But gee whiz people WE'RE GOING TO A BOWL which is
> an accomplishment that few 
> of us would have predicted at the start of the
> season!  Even with all their 
> problems, our defense showed tremendous heart and
> character and found a way to 
> stop some very good offenses when they needed to.  
> 
> I, for one, have enjoyed this season and I hope
> Walker sticks around -- in my 
> opinion he's earned it.  I hope the naysayers won't
> mind too much if I sit 
> back and enjoy the prospect of going to a bowl game.
>  Thanks.  
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/20/2005 7:47:30 AM Eastern
> Standard Time, 
> johnadeg@bellatlantic.net writes:
> Walker is still making excuses for a poor defense,
> which in my opinion, 
> is more of a reflection on the coaching than on the
> players.  If we have 
> to play UCLA in El Paso, it could be the Amazon Bowl
> all over again.  
> The NU offense when Basanez is focused is
> remarkable, no doubt about that.
> 
> John
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> 



	
		
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 20 12:34:21 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov 20 12:38:12 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
References: <43806FF0.2050508@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <4380C1AD.9090706@earthlink.net>

For those list members who are not happy about our 7-4 record (not to 
mention overall winning record over the past 3 seasons), I feel sorry 
for you that you are not able to share the joy the rest of us feel about 
our team and our school.  -- Jim B.


> Walker is still making excuses for a poor defense, which in my 
> opinion, is more of a reflection on the coaching than on the players.  
> If we have to play UCLA in El Paso, it could be the Amazon Bowl all 
> over again.  




From bondscoop at megapathdsl.net  Sun Nov 20 12:10:40 2005
From: bondscoop at megapathdsl.net (Michael Jackson)
Date: Sun Nov 20 12:50:18 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
In-Reply-To: <20051120172931.97561.qmail@web53314.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a101c5edfd$ba72ed50$0302a8c0@Mike>

I would like to second that post from Cyril.  This was a special season
that we all should be proud of.  I for one have had many enjoyable
seasons watching our Cats play BT football this year.  The home games
have all been exciting, the weather has cooperated and we have exceeded
our pre-season expectations.  What more could we want.  Let us give the
coaching staff a chance to build on this.  They need our support not our
criticism.  

The grass is not always greener on the other side.  Enjoy the bowl game
and let's root for our BB team that just may have a chance to do
something very special this year.  

Purple Pride!

Mike Jackson

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Cyril S. Ku
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 11:30 AM
To: NUMBalum78@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast

Come on people, we are 7-4 and we are going to a bowl.
LET US CELEBRATE! Instead I saw more than 100 posts
about firing our coaches and a whole bunch of
negativities about our football program. Why? I just
don't get it!

We lost many key players before the season. We are the
second youngest team in Big Ten and we played one of
the toughest schedules in the nation. Yet we are 7-4,
the third place in Big Ten. I don't know about you but
I am extremely proud of our team.

I would like to take this opportunity to say thanks to
our coaches and players for a special season. I (and
hopefully many members on this list) will support you
in whatever bowl you are going to play. I am proud to
be a Wildcat.

GO CATS!

Cyril Ku

--- NUMBalum78@aol.com wrote:

> 
> Yep, I was at that "Amazon Bowl" game -- the one in
> Brazil where the 'Cats 
> lost out to this incredible team of female warriors
> who cheated by bringing 
> their bows and arrows, right?   And then we got
> jobbed by those horrible refs who 
> let the Amazons shoot poison darts at our
> quarterback when the clock was 
> running out!   (Or maybe this is just a twisted
> recollection of the Hawaii game 
> last year.) 
> 
> Look it's a free country and there's nothing to stop
> anyone who wants to fill 
> this list with anti-Walker rhetoric, no matter how
> nonsensical it might be.  
> (Although I wonder if we really needed a dozen
> anti-Walker posts yesterday in 
> less than 15 minutes.  That may have been a new
> Sports List record.)  
> Everybody on this list knows that our defense has
> had more than its share of problems 
> this season, dating back to a spate of injuries and
> departures last summer.  
> Coaching isn't the only explanation for our
> defensive woes, and may not even be 
> the primary factor.  
> 
> But gee whiz people WE'RE GOING TO A BOWL which is
> an accomplishment that few 
> of us would have predicted at the start of the
> season!  Even with all their 
> problems, our defense showed tremendous heart and
> character and found a way to 
> stop some very good offenses when they needed to.  
> 
> I, for one, have enjoyed this season and I hope
> Walker sticks around -- in my 
> opinion he's earned it.  I hope the naysayers won't
> mind too much if I sit 
> back and enjoy the prospect of going to a bowl game.
>  Thanks.  
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/20/2005 7:47:30 AM Eastern
> Standard Time, 
> johnadeg@bellatlantic.net writes:
> Walker is still making excuses for a poor defense,
> which in my opinion, 
> is more of a reflection on the coaching than on the
> players.  If we have 
> to play UCLA in El Paso, it could be the Amazon Bowl
> all over again.  
> The NU offense when Basanez is focused is
> remarkable, no doubt about that.
> 
> John
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> 



	
		
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 14:51:38 2005
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 20 14:55:34 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] My wish
Message-ID: <269.18d0e4.30b23bda@aol.com>

   How about Colorado vs. NU in San Antonio?  Sounds like a juicy morsel to 
me!  As we all know, the bowls do have flexibility in scheduling.  I also like 
playing South Carolina in Nashville, and I believe a depressed UCLA team in El 
Paso would be ripe for the picking, kind of like what Drew Bree's Boilers 
hammering Kansas St. in San Antonio a few years back.
   I don't like the "opportunity" of playing an angry Alabama team if they 
slip to Nashville; reminds me of a certain smitten Nebraska team a few years 
ago...
   Ill-noise:  Defensively, we played much better in the 2nd half. We needed 
that!  Over-all, I'm a little worried about the "crispness" of our play the 
past 3 weeks, but I, like most of us were spoiled by the Wisky/MSU/Purdue run we 
made.  I'll suggest this theory to the Walker anti's:  get mad at the genius 
who scheduled Michigan/Iowa/OSU on consecutive weeks.  I bet with a week off, 
the bounce will be back in our step in time for our bowl game.
  Parental duties call.  GO CATS!!!                           Eric
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 15:06:33 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov 20 15:07:40 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] My wish
In-Reply-To: <269.18d0e4.30b23bda@aol.com>
References: <269.18d0e4.30b23bda@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511201306n2d73e5edq235b1095dfbd71c6@mail.gmail.com>

> made.  I'll suggest this theory to the Walker anti's:  get mad at the genius
> who scheduled Michigan/Iowa/OSU on consecutive weeks.

Unfortunately, the Big Ten portion of the scheduling is handed down
from the conference well in advance of the season (NU releases its
schedule 2 years in advance).  Everyone knew that the stretch of
Purdue, MSU, Michigan, Iowa, OSU would be extremely tough, and the
'Cats went 3-2 over that run, pretty good considering many thought we
would be 0-5 after that.

In terms of scheduling, we have a tough non conference games at Nevada
and Miami (OH) for Walker's homecoming next year, we'll have to wait
and see what comes of that.

Go 'Cats!!! Looking forward to the bowl game, wherever that may be!

Jonathan

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From BSchooler at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 15:46:11 2005
From: BSchooler at aol.com (BSchooler@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 20 15:50:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] "Share The Joy";
	Send An E-Mail To The Alamo Bowl President/CEO
Message-ID: <6d.51a2acbd.30b248a3@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/20/2005 12:40:40 PM Central Standard Time, 
thehaze@earthlink.net writes:

> I feel sorry for you that you are not able to share the joy the rest of us 
> feel about 
> our team and our school

For those of you who feel such joy, perhaps you might consider sharing your 
joy in the form of an e-mail to Derrick Fox, the President/CEO of the Alamo 
Bowl, and tell him how much joy you will spread in San Antonio if Northwestern is 
selected for the Alamo Bowl. Derrick Fox can be reached at:

derrickf@alamobowl.com

Your first e-mail will be bounced back by the Alamo Bowl's spam screening 
software. Send a reply to this one and your original e-mail will get through to 
Mr. Fox. I got a quick response from Mr. Fox. He wrote, "The Wildcats are a 
team in the mix, so let?s stay in touch." I had written him about all the eager 
Northwestern alumni in nearby Austin.

And if you have any Northwestern friends who are feeling this joy, maybe you 
can get them to write Derrick Fox as well. After sharing all this joy, then 
maybe you won't have time to feel sorry for the rest of us.

Bob Schooler    
    



From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 20 16:28:17 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 20 16:28:20 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know? (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511202228.jAKMSHPV031227@romaine.tssi.com>

> So I've been thinking Music City, but the TV commentators kept saying Sun Bowl.
> Does anyone know when we will find out?

Unless the conferences and schools start cutting deals with the bowls, 
probably not until after the BCS Championship show, ie around 5PM 
on Sunday, December 4th.

Expect the Pac 10 to start campaigning for a second BCS slot, with the
Big 10 following suit.  Does Oregon have a record of travelling well,
other than to Pasadena?  (Everybody travels well to Pasadena.)

Right now the Pac 10 has only 4 bowl-eligible schools.  Stanford isn't 
likely to become bowl eligible by beating Notre Dame, ASU still has to 
beat Arizona to become bowl-eligible, that's not a lock either.  

The Big 10 has 7 bowl-eligible teams.  

I found it odd that ESPN kept mentioning the Cats for the Sun Bowl 
yesterday, a bowl game that ESPN does not televise, CBS does that one.
--
Mike Nolan

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 16:30:59 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 20 16:32:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 13
Message-ID: <20051120223059.36263.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com>

Hopefully I can find time to get standings out over
the Thanksgiving break - doesn't seem like the
holidays are here yet with this west coast weather,
and this season has just flown by!

Some big games this week and I know many have travel
plans, so I thought I'd better get this one out early.
Picks due by kickoff Thursday. Have a blessed
Thanksgiving!

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 13
#######################
NAME: 

BIG TEN
=======
GAME  1: Wisconsin @ Hawaii           WINNER: 

NATIONAL
========
GAME  2: Pittsburgh @ West Virginia   WINNER: 
GAME  3: Texas @ Texas A&M            WINNER: 
GAME  4: Nebraska @ Colorado          WINNER: 
GAME  5: Florida State @ Florida      WINNER: 
GAME  6: Georgia @ Georgia Tech       WINNER: 
GAME  7: Arkansas @ LSU               WINNER: 
GAME  8: Arizona @ Arizona St.        WINNER: 
GAME  9: Virginia @ Miami             WINNER: 
GAME 10: Notre Dame @ Stanford        WINNER: 

Remember - picks due by kickoff **THURSDAY**
Gobble gobble!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 20 15:42:56 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov 20 16:42:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] My wish
In-Reply-To: <269.18d0e4.30b23bda@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c5ee1b$5ec05d80$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

  Over-all, I'm a little worried about the "crispness" 
> of our play the 
> past 3 weeks, but I, like most of us were spoiled by the 
> Wisky/MSU/Purdue run we 
> made. 

The loss of "crispness" could also be caused by several other defensive
coordinators [Michigan for one] watching us roll out for several weeks and
figuring that if you can tie our unning game up with a 4 or 5 man rush, you can
cover all those spread receivers and maybe force Baz to throw to the 3rd or even
4th choice.

The one thing that stood out at Michigan was that they were able to keep our
running game bottled up with 4 men, sometimes 5. I'm sure the other DC's saw
that, and ran the same kind of stunts up front that Michigan did, along with a
few of their own.

It's a shame we don't have the luxury of watching the actual game films, which
would bear out speculation. TV follows the ball which doesn't always allow the
analysis of what the linemen are doing.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
Computer Applications & Support Associates
and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sun Nov 20 16:42:51 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sun Nov 20 16:43:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
In-Reply-To: <001201c5ee1b$b443ff50$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <001201c5ee1b$b443ff50$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
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Roy:

I doubt if many coaches care who follows them unless it's a Barry 
Alvarez situation where he is becoming the AD.  Most coaches when they 
voluntarily move to another job try to take their best assistants with them.

John DeGroat

Roy Lamberton wrote:

>Randy is happy when his assistants get offered and take jobs that are steps up.
>
>I hate to tell you, but in large organizations you better develop your
>replacement, because you may have to move up and you don't want weakness below
>you.
>
>rsl
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> Walker has said that he likes to see his assistant coaches 
>  
>
>>move on to other schools. 
>>    
>>
>
>
>  
>
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 20 15:45:20 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov 20 16:45:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
In-Reply-To: <437FCF55.40502@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <001201c5ee1b$b443ff50$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Randy is happy when his assistants get offered and take jobs that are steps up.

I hate to tell you, but in large organizations you better develop your
replacement, because you may have to move up and you don't want weakness below
you.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
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 Walker has said that he likes to see his assistant coaches 
> move on to other schools. 

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 20 16:55:09 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 20 16:55:12 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches? (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511202255.jAKMt99H031629@romaine.tssi.com>

> Randy is happy when his assistants get offered and take jobs that are 
> steps up.

Having come from the Cradle of Coaches, he's used to that.  Look at the
number of coaches who worked for Hayden Fry over the years before becoming
successful head coaches, or for Bill Snyder at Kansas State.  

It means those coaches did a good job of finding and training assistants.

I'd much rather Northwestern have assistant coaches that other schools
are interested in hiring away from us than assistant coaches who couldn't
get another job.
--
Mike Nolan

From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sun Nov 20 17:03:09 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sun Nov 20 17:03:43 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] My wish
In-Reply-To: <001101c5ee1b$5ec05d80$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <001101c5ee1b$5ec05d80$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
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Roy:

If you figured it out, why didn't Walker and his defense coordinator 
figure it out and make some changes.  That's one of the problems with 
Walker.

John DeGroat

Roy Lamberton wrote:

>  Over-all, I'm a little worried about the "crispness" 
>  
>
>>of our play the 
>>past 3 weeks, but I, like most of us were spoiled by the 
>>Wisky/MSU/Purdue run we 
>>made. 
>>    
>>
>
>The loss of "crispness" could also be caused by several other defensive
>coordinators [Michigan for one] watching us roll out for several weeks and
>figuring that if you can tie our unning game up with a 4 or 5 man rush, you can
>cover all those spread receivers and maybe force Baz to throw to the 3rd or even
>4th choice.
>
>The one thing that stood out at Michigan was that they were able to keep our
>running game bottled up with 4 men, sometimes 5. I'm sure the other DC's saw
>that, and ran the same kind of stunts up front that Michigan did, along with a
>few of their own.
>
>It's a shame we don't have the luxury of watching the actual game films, which
>would bear out speculation. TV follows the ball which doesn't always allow the
>analysis of what the linemen are doing.
>
>rsl
>
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From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov 20 17:55:21 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov 20 17:55:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] And how quickly things change ...
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Two answers re: the popularity of Ohio State:

1) In a scientific poll, Ohio State was ranked the #2 most popular 
college football team last year and has ranked in the top ten each of 
the years this poll was conducted.  Miami ranked #7 in 2003 and didn't 
fall in the top 10 in any other year.

See the following links:

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=519
(See table 3, ranking Ohio State #2 and in the top 10 every other year, 
while Miami was not ranked.)

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=415
(See table 2, ranking Miami #7 in 2003 only.)


2) I'm by no means an apologist for Ohio State, nor much of a fan 
myself, however, my mother, sister, brother-in-law, and numerous 
cousins hold degrees from Ohio State and none of them is a moron.

John Labbe


P.S.  I take no personal offense from your post, however.  I take 
everything on this list with a sense of humor, as I hope others have 
interpreted some of my posts over the years.




On Nov 20, 2005, at 12:01 AM, Jim Bendat wrote:

> Say what?  I have never, ever heard that Ohio State is popular with 
> anyone other than morons.  Now, granted, there are a lot of morons in 
> this country.  But I'd venture to say that even the vast majority of 
> morons do not like Ohio State.
>
>>
>> 2) Most importantly, though, Ohio State is the #3 most popular 
>> college football team in the land.  Miami---not so much.
>>
>
>
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 17:57:39 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 20 17:58:47 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511202228.jAKMSHPV031227@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20051120235739.64930.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com>

> Unless the conferences and schools start cutting
> deals with the bowls, 
> probably not until after the BCS Championship show,

True - but some of the top tier bowls may "release" NU
and Minnesota from their lists, allowing us to sign on
with the Music City or so. The Big Ten office will
probably get something organized soon -- maybe even do
a "power play" as they did a couple years ago (was it
with Iowa or OSU - I can't remember?) where they
locked in all bowls meaning that the Bucks/Hawks
either HAD to get an at-large BCS bid or fall to the
Motor City.

> Expect the Pac 10 to start campaigning for a second
> BCS slot, with the
> Big 10 following suit.  Does Oregon have a record of

They seem to have rabid fans, but small numbers. OSU
traveled well to the Fiesta when they got the at-large
bid that year.

It's going to be an interesting struggle -- the SEC
may start making a case for Auburn, who may be playing
the best football of anyone in the nation lately and
only slipped up in OT at LSU and in the first game to
GaTech (understandable given that their whole
backfield was new this year on offense).

It doesn't go on merit, but it's real tough to argue
with OSU -- 9-2 with losses by 10 points to #2 and #3
in the BCS standings. Wins over bowl teams NU,
Michigan, Iowa and Minnesota and legions of fans that
will follow the Bucks to a BCS bowl in droves and have
done so in the past.

The rest of the candidates ...

* Notre Dame: Weak schedule, only one quality win -
but they're Notre Dame, so they'll get in (puke). By
the end of the season, their schedule may include only
two bowl-eligible teams. Also, one of their defeats
came to 5-6 MSU ... at home. Easily the worst "loss"
of the BCS at-large contenders. Easily the weakest
schedule. And haven't looked impressive lately in
sleepwalking past the likes of Syracuse and Navy. But
again, they're ND.

* PAC 10: Oregon, 10-1, but not playing UCLA hurts
because that makes Cal their biggest quality win in
league play (though they did beat Fresno State, and we
know how tough the Bulldogs are now). Deserving since
their only loss was to #1 USC, but small in ratings
and ticket sales.

* SEC: Auburn, 9-2, and surging the last few weeks -
wins over top 20 teams Bama, Georgia as well as South
Carolina. Quality losses as well and rabid SEC fans.

* ACC: Miami, 9-2, and would make a huge ratings
matchup with Notre Dame in the Fiesta. But they are
limping lately and have a tradition of little fan
support for non-Florida bowls. Still, they have the
best win of the candidates, at #5 Virginia Tech.

* BIG EAST/BIG XII: Uh, no one.:)

> Right now the Pac 10 has only 4 bowl-eligible
> schools.  Stanford isn't 

That could be a factor -- the Big Ten and SEC won't
fill their requirements either, but at least they have
6 or more bowl teams. ASU lost to Arizona last year
and could pull a Sparty and fall from a big September
again this year. If they had 2 of their 4 bowl
eligible teams get BCS bids, that might raise some
eyebrows.

Couple other interesting notes ...

* If Texas or SC loses and goes to their automatic bid
in Tempe instead of the Rose, then the Fiesta loses
their first pick and the Orange Bowl likely takes
Notre Dame - making another shift in matchup
possibilities with the Fiesta then likely taking PSU.

* However, IF Texas or SC lost, they might not even
drop out of the title game -- we've seen that before
with the BCS and it'd be tough to keep either out of
the title game if they lost a close one to a rival
after looking so impressive most of the year.

But the Big Ten likes to have things worked out and
sell tickets - I think they'll have some idea from the
BCS before championship Saturday in December and lock
up some of the smaller bowls.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov 20 17:59:41 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov 20 17:59:53 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] "Share The Joy";
	Send An E-Mail To The Alamo Bowl President/CEO
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In the Tribune today, they say that Northwestern is looking at a likely 
Sun Bowl appearance as the Alamo Bowl is not expected to select us.  
But it's not clear whether this is pure speculation or based on any 
inside information.  I can certainly see the reasons why Iowa would be 
selected over us for the Alamo Bowl, but I don't think it's entirely 
preposterous to think that Northwestern might be selected over Iowa, 
unless there were some inside information to suggest otherwise.

Has anyone seen or heard anything any more certain about the Alamo 
possibility?

This is all assuming, of course, that Ohio State would get an at-large 
BCS bid.


On Nov 20, 2005, at 3:46 PM, BSchooler@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/20/2005 12:40:40 PM Central Standard Time,
> thehaze@earthlink.net writes:
>
>> I feel sorry for you that you are not able to share the joy the rest 
>> of us
>> feel about
>> our team and our school
>
> For those of you who feel such joy, perhaps you might consider sharing 
> your
> joy in the form of an e-mail to Derrick Fox, the President/CEO of the 
> Alamo
> Bowl, and tell him how much joy you will spread in San Antonio if 
> Northwestern is
> selected for the Alamo Bowl. Derrick Fox can be reached at:
>
> derrickf@alamobowl.com
>
> Your first e-mail will be bounced back by the Alamo Bowl's spam 
> screening
> software. Send a reply to this one and your original e-mail will get 
> through to
> Mr. Fox. I got a quick response from Mr. Fox. He wrote, "The Wildcats 
> are a
> team in the mix, so let?s stay in touch." I had written him about all 
> the eager
> Northwestern alumni in nearby Austin.
>
> And if you have any Northwestern friends who are feeling this joy, 
> maybe you
> can get them to write Derrick Fox as well. After sharing all this joy, 
> then
> maybe you won't have time to feel sorry for the rest of us.
>
> Bob Schooler
>
>
>
>
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 19:34:05 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 20 19:38:04 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The Standings: Lookin' So Fine
Message-ID: <77.51fc0104.30b27e0d@aol.com>

 
As a litigator, I like making closing arguments.  Here's mine in  support of 
ending the controversy over Coach Walker and instead celebrating a  very fine 
season that nobody, and I mean nobody, on this List anticipated or  predicted 
with any confidence.  From the Big 10 Website--need I say  more?--Paul Levinson
 
    STANDINGS     2005-06 Big Ten Overall  Teams W L Pct. W L Pct.  _Penn 
State_ (http://www.gopsusports.com/Football/schedules/athleticschedule.cfm)   7 1 
0.875 10 1 0.909  _Ohio State_ 
(http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/osu-m-footbl-sched.html)   7 1 0.875 9 2 0.818  _Michigan_ 
(http://mgoblue.com/schedule.cfm?section_id=259&top=2&level=3)   5 3 0.625 7 
4 0.636  _Northwestern_ 
(http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/nw-m-footbl-sched.html)   5 3 0.625 7 4 0.636  _Iowa_ 
(http://hawkeyesports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/iowa-m-footbl-sched.html)   5 3 0.625 
7 4 0.636  _Wisconsin_ 
(http://www.uwbadgers.com/sport_news/fb/schedule/schd.aspx?sport=fb)   5 3 0.625 8 3 0.727  _Minnesota_ 
(http://www.gophersports.com/Sports/schedule.asp?sport_id=mfball)   4 4 0.500 7 4 0.636  _Purdue_ 
(http://purduesports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/pur-m-footbl-sched.html)  
 3 5 0.375 5 6 0.455  _Michigan State_ 
(http://msuspartans.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/msu-m-footbl-sched.html)   2 6 0.250 5 6 0.455  
_Indiana_ 
(http://iuhoosiers.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/ind-m-footbl-sched.html)   1 7 0.125 4 7 0.364  _Illinois_ 
(http://fightingillini.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/ill-m-footbl-sched.html)   0 8 0.000 2 9 0.182

From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sun Nov 20 19:40:24 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sun Nov 20 19:40:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] And how quickly things change ...
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Interesting poll, well worth looking at.

John DeGroat

John Labbe wrote:

> Two answers re: the popularity of Ohio State:
>
> 1) In a scientific poll, Ohio State was ranked the #2 most popular 
> college football team last year and has ranked in the top ten each of 
> the years this poll was conducted.  Miami ranked #7 in 2003 and didn't 
> fall in the top 10 in any other year.
>
> See the following links:
>
> http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=519
> (See table 3, ranking Ohio State #2 and in the top 10 every other 
> year, while Miami was not ranked.)
>
> http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=415
> (See table 2, ranking Miami #7 in 2003 only.)
>
>
> 2) I'm by no means an apologist for Ohio State, nor much of a fan 
> myself, however, my mother, sister, brother-in-law, and numerous 
> cousins hold degrees from Ohio State and none of them is a moron.
>
> John Labbe
>
>
> P.S.  I take no personal offense from your post, however.  I take 
> everything on this list with a sense of humor, as I hope others have 
> interpreted some of my posts over the years.
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2005, at 12:01 AM, Jim Bendat wrote:
>
>> Say what?  I have never, ever heard that Ohio State is popular with 
>> anyone other than morons.  Now, granted, there are a lot of morons in 
>> this country.  But I'd venture to say that even the vast majority of 
>> morons do not like Ohio State.
>>
>>>
>>> 2) Most importantly, though, Ohio State is the #3 most popular 
>>> college football team in the land.  Miami---not so much.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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From neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com  Sun Nov 20 17:42:47 2005
From: neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com (Kaplan, Neil)
Date: Sun Nov 20 19:55:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] El Paso hotel CHEAP!
Message-ID: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB0B743303@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>

Not a lot of call for extended stays in el paso, me thinks

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Singer [mailto:jason@jasonsinger.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:26 PM
To: 'nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] El Paso hotel CHEAP!


If you don't care how nice the hotel is, I found a ridiculously inexpensive
hotel not far from the Stadium with decent reviews.

 

The Value Inn Extended Stay Hotel is only 32.00/night. Just a tip.

 

http://www.bestvalueinn.com/bestv.cfm?idp=473

 

Jason Singer

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 19:45:11 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 20 19:57:57 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The Standings: Lookin' So Fine
Message-ID: <82.33f2b33a.30b280a7@aol.com>

Sorry everyone.  The cut and paste job didn't work too well, so here's  the 
link:  
_http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/big10-m-footbl-body.html_ 
(http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/big10-m-footbl-body.html) 
 
Paul Levinson
From cyrilku at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 19:59:51 2005
From: cyrilku at yahoo.com (Cyril S. Ku)
Date: Sun Nov 20 20:01:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The Standings: Lookin' So Fine
In-Reply-To: <77.51fc0104.30b27e0d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051121015951.77189.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com>

--- NEONRye@aol.com wrote:

>  
> As a litigator, I like making closing arguments. 
> Here's mine in  support of 
> ending the controversy over Coach Walker and instead
> celebrating a  very fine 
> season that nobody, and I mean nobody, on this List
> anticipated or  predicted 
> with any confidence.  From the Big 10 Website--need
> I say  more?--Paul Levinson

For the record, I predicted that we would go 7-4 on
August 23, 2005. See my message below. Although my
prediction of how we got to 7-4 is quite different
from reality.

Cyril Ku
----------
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:55:41 -0700 (PDT) 
From: "Cyril S. Ku" <cyrilku@yahoo.com>  Add to
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2005 Predictions 
To:  "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518@yahoo.com>,
nwu-sports@tssi.com 
    
Jim,

I almost totally agree with you except:
(1) We will win at home at NIGHT against Michigan.
(2) We will shock the college football world by
beating the Buckeyes at the Shoe.
(3) After a fantastic win at Ohio State, the Cats just
cannot get up to the Illinois game. We will be beaten
by the Illini at their home.

So my prediction is 7-4.

Yes, I know we have a tough schedule. I know Howard,
Jordan, Horn, Heinz, Rees, ... are out. But I am
optimistic. I look at everything through my
purple-tinted glasses. I am drinking purple cool-aid
as I type this message.

GO CATS!
Cyril Ku

09/03/05 (H) Ohio               - WIN
09/10/05 (H) Northern Illinois  - WIN
09/17/05 (a) Arizona State      - Loss 
09/24/05 (H) Penn State         - WIN
10/08/05 (H) Wisconsin          - WIN
10/15/05 (a) Purdue             - Loss
10/22/05 (a) Michigan State     - WIN
10/29/05 (H) Michigan           - WIN
11/05/05 (H) Iowa               - Loss
11/12/05 (a) Ohio State         - WIN
11/19/05 (a) Illinois           - Loss
--------------------------------------
             OVERALL: 7-4


--- Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
> 
> It's a slow day, I've got football on my mind, and
> I'm feeling optimistic, so
> let's have a little fun. Below is my prediction for
> wins and losses in 2005.
> I'd like to know what the rest of you think. 
> 
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
> 
> 09/03/05 (H) Ohio               - WIN
> 09/10/05 (H) Northern Illinois  - WIN
> 09/17/05 (a) Arizona State      - Loss 
> 09/24/05 (H) Penn State         - WIN
> 10/08/05 (H) Wisconsin          - WIN
> 10/15/05 (a) Purdue             - Loss
> 10/22/05 (a) Michigan State     - WIN
> 10/29/05 (H) Michigan           - Loss
> 11/05/05 (H) Iowa               - Loss
> 11/12/05 (a) Ohio State         - Loss
> 11/19/05 (a) Illinois           - WIN
> --------------------------------------
>              OVERALL: 6-5
> 
> Our "Bowl Bubble" game will be stealing a road win
> at Michigan State. 
> 




		
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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sun Nov 20 20:01:15 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Sun Nov 20 20:02:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] And how quickly things change ...
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	<ea8d14e2921ff24508cc22f0b21e4274@mac.com>
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John Labbe wrote:

> Two answers re: the popularity of Ohio State:
>
> 1) In a scientific poll, Ohio State was ranked the #2 most popular 
> college football team last year and has ranked in the top ten each of 
> the years this poll was conducted.  Miami ranked #7 in 2003 and didn't 
> fall in the top 10 in any other year.
>
> See the following links:
>
> http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=519
> (See table 3, ranking Ohio State #2 and in the top 10 every other 
> year, while Miami was not ranked.)
>
> http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=415
> (See table 2, ranking Miami #7 in 2003 only.)
>
>
>>
>
>
>
>
I'll add to that with the fact that Miami has a history of not 
"traveling well" as they say in the bowl business.  Their fans will not 
follow them unless the national title is at stake and then not in the 
numbers you would expect.  Miami sells merchandise and usually, but not 
always, draws well in the Orange Bowl, but their fans just don't follow 
them on the road.  That's why I would expect the BCS bowl with the 
second at-large pick, likely to be the Orange Bowl, to take OSU or the 
loser of the SEC title match over Miami.
Mark

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 20:29:22 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 20 20:30:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The Standings: Lookin' So Fine
In-Reply-To: <77.51fc0104.30b27e0d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051121022922.78146.qmail@web52911.mail.yahoo.com>

A tie for third is indeed nice.:) And we were 2-1
against the other teams tied for third (Michigan was
also 2-1, Iowa and UW were 1-2).

A 5-3 league mark. Wins over our conference-determined
rivals Purdue and Illinois (both away) and our "real"
rivals Iowa and Wisconsin.

And even more, we never had a losing mark at any time
or in any month this year.

* September: 2-2
* October: 3-1
* November: 2-1

That's 5-2 down the stretch, showing the young team's
maturation. And the losses were to Michigan and Ohio
State - not much to be ashamed of there. Preseason top
5 teams and two of the three teams ahead of us for the
Big Ten title.

Our only "shoulda won" loss was Big Ten champ PSU in
September and our only "bad loss" (though ASU was
*good* in September) came early on as well.

Now let's win that bowl game!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 21:51:41 2005
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 20 21:55:43 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] re: my wish
Message-ID: <d2.34a233ae.30b29e4d@aol.com>

   John and list: when I wrote that I would like to see NU play Colorado, it 
was no slap at Walker, and no plug for JB.  The game would make for good 
theatre, and looks very competitive on paper.
   John: While I admire your passion of NU football, your intense dislike of 
Walker after a 7-4 season is perplexing.  Walker recruited Baz, Wright, 
Herron, Streif, McGarigle, Kustok, Howard...do I need to go on?  To say he rode GB's 
coat-tails is flat out wrong. Keep in mind, GB's flirtations with Texas, ND, 
Mizzou, etc.  sent alot of players packing, including John Navarre.  We flat 
out sucked in 1998; GB's last year.  While it's proper we recognize GB for his 
accomplishments, he truly created the monster that ate him.
   I suggest we take a page out of Kansas St. and Virgina Tech's book.  They 
had their chance to sack Snyder and Beamer, even 5-7 years after their arrival 
for not acheiving more than 8-4, 6-5, etc.  But those schools also recognized 
history as well as the fact that their depth and system became more 
entrenched with every passing year.
   I like beating Ohio St. , Penn St. and Michigan.  So does Walker, who's 
accomplished these feats. And I believe he will many times more if allowed by 
Mark Murphy.
   GO CATS!!      Loyal Cat backer since 1978.                  Eric
From NEONRye at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 22:14:26 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 20 22:15:40 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] The Standings: Lookin' So Fine
Message-ID: <272.bd375.30b2a3a2@aol.com>

Cyril,
 
I do remember your post and your predictions.  Congratulations for  being our 
"Nostradamus", even if some of your prophecies were a bit  "off-target".  
Beating Mich. and OSU and losing to the Illini.    Wow!
 
Paul
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 20 23:35:19 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov 20 23:39:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] looking back at our preseason predictions
Message-ID: <43815C97.60605@earthlink.net>

Well, I didn't hit it at 7-4 exactly as Cyril did.  I went and found my 
original predictions I sent to this list.  Here's what I wrote in August:

Not optimistic enough.  If we start the season 4-1, we will have 
tremendous momentum and our young players will have already earned 
valuable experience while winning games.  We will proceed to defeat 
Purdue, Michigan State and Illinois, and we will shock one of the three 
other teams.  8-3 sounds about right to me!

Jim B.


Jim Leonard wrote:

> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
>
> It's a slow day, I've got football on my mind, and I'm feeling 
> optimistic, so
> let's have a little fun. Below is my prediction for wins and losses in 
> 2005.
> I'd like to know what the rest of you think.
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
>
> 09/03/05 (H) Ohio               - WIN
> 09/10/05 (H) Northern Illinois  - WIN
> 09/17/05 (a) Arizona State      - Loss 09/24/05 (H) Penn State         
> - WIN
> 10/08/05 (H) Wisconsin          - WIN
> 10/15/05 (a) Purdue             - Loss
> 10/22/05 (a) Michigan State     - WIN
> 10/29/05 (H) Michigan           - Loss
> 11/05/05 (H) Iowa               - Loss
> 11/12/05 (a) Ohio State         - Loss
> 11/19/05 (a) Illinois           - WIN
> --------------------------------------
>             OVERALL: 6-5
>
> Our "Bowl Bubble" game will be stealing a road win at Michigan State.
>  
>




From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 21 06:11:32 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 21 06:11:33 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] My wish
In-Reply-To: <438100AD.2040706@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c5ee94$b6029440$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Well, they did figure it out, back in September, when they already knew that
they were missing several key parts of the defense.
 
They started Corey Wootton at DE because he was faster than anyone else, but who
promptly hurt his neck. Colby told us after the scrimmage that Corey was a
"young colt" who played with a lot of fire, but had to be more under control. He
was the missing piece of the pass rush, and would have been awsome but for an
injury, and had Loren Howard returned at 100%
 
We now know that Tim McGarigle played the last month with injuries that would
have stopped many other kids from playing.
 
Everyone dumped on Jeff Backes, but we found out quickly how much he added to
the pass defense. The same with Heinz at safety. When they finally settled on
Battle and Henderson's positions, the defense get better, and they obviously
figured out something, witness the defensive play in the 2nd halves of Michigan,
Iowa, and Illinois [even dOSU].
 
I think you'll find more bend, don't break defense in the bowl, only it will be
better because it is healed. Next year it will be even better as the young
players mature, get time in the weight room and learn the system.
 
Unless, of course, we make wholesale changes among the coaches. Then in some
cases, we're back to square one.
 
rsl
 
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: John A. DeGroat [mailto:johnadeg@bellatlantic.net] 
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:03 PM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com
Cc: WildElk2@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] My wish


Roy:

If you figured it out, why didn't Walker and his defense coordinator figure it
out and make some changes.  That's one of the problems with Walker.

John DeGroat

Roy Lamberton wrote:


  Over-all, I'm a little worried about the "crispness" 

  

of our play the 

past 3 weeks, but I, like most of us were spoiled by the 

Wisky/MSU/Purdue run we 

made. 

    



The loss of "crispness" could also be caused by several other defensive

coordinators [Michigan for one] watching us roll out for several weeks and

figuring that if you can tie our unning game up with a 4 or 5 man rush, you can

cover all those spread receivers and maybe force Baz to throw to the 3rd or even

4th choice.



The one thing that stood out at Michigan was that they were able to keep our

running game bottled up with 4 men, sometimes 5. I'm sure the other DC's saw

that, and ran the same kind of stunts up front that Michigan did, along with a

few of their own.



It's a shame we don't have the luxury of watching the actual game films, which

would bear out speculation. TV follows the ball which doesn't always allow the

analysis of what the linemen are doing.



rsl



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 21 06:12:37 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 21 06:12:38 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511202228.jAKMSHPV031227@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <002301c5ee94$dcd193a0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Maybe they don't want us on ESPN in post season?

They found out about our Chat room's preoccupation with Pam Ward and are
punishing us?

<g>

rsl

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> 
> I found it odd that ESPN kept mentioning the Cats for the Sun Bowl 
> yesterday, a bowl game that ESPN does not televise, CBS does that one.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 

From bkaiser at heartoftn.net  Sun Nov 20 19:15:32 2005
From: bkaiser at heartoftn.net (Brad Kaiser)
Date: Mon Nov 21 08:47:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] when will we know?
In-Reply-To: <200511201000.jAKA01jf007654@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200511201000.jAKA01jf007654@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20051121011532.GA979@fisher>


Stephen Truog wrote:

>But I thought the Music City was #6
>in SEC pecking order, so -- unless the SEC gets two
>BCS teams -- we'd still face one of their Big Six this
>year.

According to the Nashville paper, this is not true.  The Independence
Bowl and the Music City Bowl have some interlocking contract terms with
the SEC as far as team selection go.  As things work out, the Independence
Bowl gets to pick before the Music City Bowl this year*, and, with
Tennessee's loss yesterday, there won't be enough SEC teams to go around.

(*The Independence Bowl gets first pick because last year, only one
SEC team was left by the time the MUB and IB got around to picking.
The contract allows the school's AD to pick -- Alabama picked Nashville
-- but specifies that the bowl that doesn't get picked gets first
pick if there's only one SEC team left any time in the next four years.
How's that for a complicated contract? :-0)

The Music City Bowl will de-affiliate from the Big Ten after this year
and contract with the ACC, so they're going to try to get an ACC opponent.
(Clemson?  The Maryland-Virginia winner?  NC State?) Failing that, they
might go with Memphis if the Tigers end up being bowl-eligible.

Brad Kaiser
(bkaiser@heartoftn.net)


From neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com  Mon Nov 21 10:45:37 2005
From: neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com (Kaplan, Neil)
Date: Mon Nov 21 10:48:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
Message-ID: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB0B74330B@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>

I could not agree more.  I reommend that we all list a few things we are
grateful for during this campaign.

I'm grateful that we finish 7-4; 5-3.  Exciting games, brutal schedule and
grudging respect from colleagues and friends at other BT schools.   My last
year was the 1989 season where we were 0-11 giving up 500+ points.  My 12
year old does not miss a play and yells 'he could ...go ...all ...the
...way' with every long touchdown.

Most importantly, we are graduating our kids and doing this the right way.
7-4 for us is always way sweeter than the curse of high expecations where
7-4 is a disaster.

Let's live it up at the bowl game and celebrate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Jackson [mailto:bondscoop@megapathdsl.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 10:11 AM
To: cyril@alumni.northwestern.edu; NUMBalum78@aol.com;
nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast


I would like to second that post from Cyril.  This was a special season
that we all should be proud of.  I for one have had many enjoyable
seasons watching our Cats play BT football this year.  The home games
have all been exciting, the weather has cooperated and we have exceeded
our pre-season expectations.  What more could we want.  Let us give the
coaching staff a chance to build on this.  They need our support not our
criticism.  

The grass is not always greener on the other side.  Enjoy the bowl game
and let's root for our BB team that just may have a chance to do
something very special this year.  

Purple Pride!

Mike Jackson

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Cyril S. Ku
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 11:30 AM
To: NUMBalum78@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast

Come on people, we are 7-4 and we are going to a bowl.
LET US CELEBRATE! Instead I saw more than 100 posts
about firing our coaches and a whole bunch of
negativities about our football program. Why? I just
don't get it!

We lost many key players before the season. We are the
second youngest team in Big Ten and we played one of
the toughest schedules in the nation. Yet we are 7-4,
the third place in Big Ten. I don't know about you but
I am extremely proud of our team.

I would like to take this opportunity to say thanks to
our coaches and players for a special season. I (and
hopefully many members on this list) will support you
in whatever bowl you are going to play. I am proud to
be a Wildcat.

GO CATS!

Cyril Ku

--- NUMBalum78@aol.com wrote:

> 
> Yep, I was at that "Amazon Bowl" game -- the one in
> Brazil where the 'Cats 
> lost out to this incredible team of female warriors
> who cheated by bringing 
> their bows and arrows, right?   And then we got
> jobbed by those horrible refs who 
> let the Amazons shoot poison darts at our
> quarterback when the clock was 
> running out!   (Or maybe this is just a twisted
> recollection of the Hawaii game 
> last year.) 
> 
> Look it's a free country and there's nothing to stop
> anyone who wants to fill 
> this list with anti-Walker rhetoric, no matter how
> nonsensical it might be.  
> (Although I wonder if we really needed a dozen
> anti-Walker posts yesterday in 
> less than 15 minutes.  That may have been a new
> Sports List record.)  
> Everybody on this list knows that our defense has
> had more than its share of problems 
> this season, dating back to a spate of injuries and
> departures last summer.  
> Coaching isn't the only explanation for our
> defensive woes, and may not even be 
> the primary factor.  
> 
> But gee whiz people WE'RE GOING TO A BOWL which is
> an accomplishment that few 
> of us would have predicted at the start of the
> season!  Even with all their 
> problems, our defense showed tremendous heart and
> character and found a way to 
> stop some very good offenses when they needed to.  
> 
> I, for one, have enjoyed this season and I hope
> Walker sticks around -- in my 
> opinion he's earned it.  I hope the naysayers won't
> mind too much if I sit 
> back and enjoy the prospect of going to a bowl game.
>  Thanks.  
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/20/2005 7:47:30 AM Eastern
> Standard Time, 
> johnadeg@bellatlantic.net writes:
> Walker is still making excuses for a poor defense,
> which in my opinion, 
> is more of a reflection on the coaching than on the
> players.  If we have 
> to play UCLA in El Paso, it could be the Amazon Bowl
> all over again.  
> The NU offense when Basanez is focused is
> remarkable, no doubt about that.
> 
> John
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 21 10:51:16 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 21 10:51:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/21
Message-ID: <002401c5eebb$cab4aaa0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
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Sweet Sioux Wrapup Edition 


Here's all the news we can find about the Wildcats that isn't a repeat
somewhere...Football, Basketball, Swimming, Fencing, Volleyball, and alumni
too...

                                                                   All the News
that Fits We Link
                                                                      Your Index
to News about
                                                                    Northwestern
University Athletics

FOOTBALL

     Brett Basanez Named Northwestern's MVP at Annual NGN Banquet
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112005aaa.html 

     Capping 7-win season a senior moment for NU
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-crep21.html 

     Wildcats Top Fighting Illini, 38-21; Northwestern Now Awaits Bowl
Announcement
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/111905aac.html 
     + Trickery does the trick
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051120021
7nov20,1,1141775.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + Wildcats suspend CB Battle
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-siouxnt20.html 
     + College Football: Northwestern 38, Illinois 21
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/201sd7.htm 
     + beating the Illini, 38-21 on the road.
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats5k19a.html 
     + SjT: Beating Illinois
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/469077.html 
     + Wildcats take control of game after trick play results in 3rd quarter TD
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/21/43816efaf394d 
     +Ground game takes off after short hiatus
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/21/43816a8971689 
     + Silka: NU proved doubters incorrect
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/21/438169ee0d734 

     Cats may get chance to bask in Sun Bowl
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051120021
6nov20,1,748558.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + Looks like Sun Bowl for Wildcats
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=123733 
     + NU awaits selection of bowl destination
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/21/43816b3be64e0 

     Penn State and Ohio State Share 2005 Big Ten Championship
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111905aab.html 
     + SjT: Cats tied for 3rd
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/469440.html 
     Final Big 10 Standings
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/big10-m-footbl-body.html 

     Sweet Sioux Tomahawk game -
     from the Illinois Fighting Illini
     Illinois finds rock bottom
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051120021
9nov20,1,1928209.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + A Champaign boast
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu20.html 
     + Zook vows next season won't be so miserable
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-illside20.html 
     + Brasic sharp despite injury
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051119illinibits,1,553
2875.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Strong finish
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=123734 
     + Fuming Zook: 'This ain't gonna happen anymore'
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/201sd8.htm 
     + Illini Look to the Future After Loss
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=469145&refid=400 
     + Illini Fall To Wildcats
 
http://fightingillini.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/111905aac.html 
     + Illini Look to the Future After Loss
      http://illinois.scout.com/2/469145.html 
     + Illini End Season With Loss to Northwestern
      http://illinois.scout.com/2/468852.html 
     + Finally, Illini end season
      http://www.pjstar.com/stories/112005/ILL_B867N1OS.077.shtml 
     + Trick play knocks last wind out of deflated Illini
 
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/illini/story/FBFF31E9C523F3E
3862570BF001C09DA?OpenDocument 

     Miscellaneous Football News: 
     Penn State and Ohio State share 2005 Big Ten Championship
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111905aab.html 
     Penn State locks up first BCS bowl bid
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5099386?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=24 
     + Paterno, unlike his critics, knew all along Penn State would recover 
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=113 

     Georgia Tech shocks No. 3 Miami 14-10 in the Orange Bowl 
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=112 

BASKETBALL

     Men:
     Northwestern Hosts Florida Atlantic in Home Opener Monday Night
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111905aab.html 
     + BKB Pregame Intel: Florida Atlantic Owls
      file:///C|/Documents and Settings/rsl/My
Documents/PurpleReign/BASKETBALLhttp://northwestern.scout.com/2/469509.html 
     + Lowes Line: offers up his preview of NU hoops!
      http://hailtopurple.com/features/lowesline5k18.html 

     Skip Myslenski: Is this NU's fairest chance of all to reach tourney?
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051120mys
lenski,1,4869599.column?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 

     Next is Florida Atlantic
     Owls Basketball Kicks Off this Weekend
      http://fausports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111505aaf.html

     + Owls Drop Opener 78-74
      http://fausports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/111805aab.html 
     + Doherty era opens with loss
 
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/colleges/florida_atlantic_university
/13209949.htm 

     Then @ DePaul [11/26] 
     Bradley slaps sloppy DePaul
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-demon20.html 
     + Braves, speed trap stop Demons
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/depaul/cs-0511200279nov20
,1,5377365.story?coll=cs-college-depaul-print 
     + Exorcising Demons
      http://www.pjstar.com/stories/112005/BRA_B867M2V3.077.shtml 

     Other Big 10 Basketball News
     Carter, Brock spending a lot of time on bench
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=123917 
     + Illini struggle vs. zone
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=123915 

     2006 Big Ten Men's and Women's Basketball Tournament Tickets on Sale
Starting Nov. 23
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112105aaa.html 

     Women
     Northwestern Downs Creighton, 93-77 in Season Opener
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/111905aab.html 
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http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/21/43816c4984438 
     + Upperclassmen have developed unspoken connection 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/21/43816bcda124f 

     Northwestern Set to Tangle with the Tigers
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/112105aab.html 

Recruiting

     Northwestern Commit Injured
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=469021&nid=1779457&fhn=1 
     + Franklin Regional trips Thomas Jefferson, 31-14
      http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05324/609709.stm 

     NJ LB Will Visit Duke 
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=469111 

FENCING

     Wildcats Go 6-1 in Day 2 of NU Duals; Win 12-of-13 in Two-Day Span
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-fenc/recaps/112005aaa.html 

SWIMMING

     Northwestern Men Take Third at Purdue Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/112005aab.html 
     Northwestern Women Finish Fifth at Purdue Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-swim/recaps/112005aac.html 

VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats Wallop Wolverines, 3-1
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/111905aab.html 

MISCELLANY

     Nittany Lions have one-of-a-kind coach
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     Weis basks in Notre Dame's success 
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ALUMNI

     Jason Wright - a few yards last week
      http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20051120_MIA@CLE 
     Trai Essex is started for the Steelers at Left Tackle

     PGA: [Links on Player's Name is their live scorecard] 
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     WGC - Algarve World Cup in Portugal
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CBQ0IV0?xml=/sport/2005/11/21/sgmair21.xml&sSheet=/sport/2005/11/21/ixgolf.html 
     + Rain helps Wales to World Cup win
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/4453854.stm 
     + Dredge hails 'huge' World Cup win
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/4456108.stm 

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 11:22:39 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 21 11:24:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something !
Message-ID: <8C7BCD74ECA65A1-1DAC-473C@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com>

Since our game Saturday, I have received about 5 pages of e-mail (mostly from this list) discussing what happened, where we might be going, etc.  Also in that stretch, I received 1 official NU piece of email (CSTV actually) summarizing Saturday's game.
 
>From the NU Athletic Department, silence.
 
This group couldn't market food to gluttons.
 
How hard is it to produce something short, describing the likely options, and a likely timetable of when a decision might be made ?  10-15 minutes for one staffer, then send it out to the whole mailing list.  That is one of the reasons e-mail has developed - much faster for mass communications.
 
Everyone on the list (and we are probably better informed than the average NU ticket-holder) has wanted to know where we might be going, and when we might find out.  And it would be so easy for the ticket office just to pass along a note - but nothing.
 
It would be interesting to know what (if any) communications the other 6 bowl-eligible programs had had with their season ticket holders since Saturday.  Since our marketing and attendance is somewhat challenged, our ticket office should be doing more to drum up interest and keep the season-ticket holders informed.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 21 11:32:33 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 21 11:38:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
In-Reply-To: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB0B74330B@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>
Message-ID: <19d201c5eec1$8e6ec4d0$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

 
Neil wrote (snip)

Most importantly, we are graduating our kids and doing this the right way.
7-4 for us is always way sweeter than the curse of high expecations where
7-4 is a disaster.

============================================

I've always told my kids a couple of things about high expectations:

To whom much is given, much is expected.

AND

High expectations are the sincerest form of flattery.


I agree that this is a wonderful season and that there is much to celebrate.
These kids have earned a bowl trip and RW has earned the right to prove that
he can do it again next year.  It is a very exciting time of year.  I'm
grateful for the chance to enjoy it and look forward to our first bowl game
victory of this millennium as another important step forward.

But as Roy mentioned, as far as he knows every NU team starts every season
with an expectation of becoming national champs.  Through the season, they
have the opportunity to celebrate their wins and learn from their loses.
That hardly sounds like a curse to me.  In fact the real curse would be to
expect anything less of yourself.  Also there is no shame in falling short
of your goal if you honestly gave your best effort, because few of us are as
good as we would aspire to be.  And giving your best effort even in a losing
cause is how you learn what your best effort can be.  The only shame is
refusing to make the commitment for fear of loss.  REAL winning is
overcoming that fear.  

Jeff







From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 11:31:51 2005
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon Nov 21 11:39:38 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Music City Bowl Poll
In-Reply-To: <002401c5eebb$cab4aaa0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <20051121173151.21581.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat (I'd rather not go to El Paso) Faithful,

The Music City Bowl has a poll up on its website. They want to know which Big
Ten team people would prefer to see in Nashville. Right now NU leads with 41%.
Chicago rules apply, vote early, vote often.

http://www.musiccitybowl.com/

Victory & Honor,
Jim


	
		
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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 21 11:51:10 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov 21 11:54:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something !
In-Reply-To: <8C7BCD74ECA65A1-1DAC-473C@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C7BCD74ECA65A1-1DAC-473C@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511211140150.28013@localhost>

Chuck--

Although it's in your trademark "super-ascerbic" style, your point is 
well-taken and I also wonder why there wasn't a continuance of the 
whoop-it-up email many of us season ticket holders received following the 
Iowa victory.

I would hope that the AD's office (or, say, the assistant AD for 
development) would be pushing this hard and often, so as to drum up the 
most support.  Along those lines, I hope everyone here follows in the 
grand Chicago voting tradition and votes as many times as possible for 
Northwestern here (poll at bottom of page):

http://www.musiccitybowl.com/
<http://www.musiccitybowl.com/>

NU currently leads the poll, unscientific though it be.

Best,

Jonathan

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, cherron604@aol.com wrote:

> Since our game Saturday, I have received about 5 pages of e-mail (mostly 
> from this list) discussing what happened, where we might be going, etc. 
> Also in that stretch, I received 1 official NU piece of email (CSTV 
> actually) summarizing Saturday's game.
>
>> From the NU Athletic Department, silence.
>
> This group couldn't market food to gluttons.
>
> How hard is it to produce something short, describing the likely 
> options, and a likely timetable of when a decision might be made ? 
> 10-15 minutes for one staffer, then send it out to the whole mailing 
> list.  That is one of the reasons e-mail has developed - much faster for 
> mass communications.
>
> Everyone on the list (and we are probably better informed than the 
> average NU ticket-holder) has wanted to know where we might be going, 
> and when we might find out.  And it would be so easy for the ticket 
> office just to pass along a note - but nothing.
>
> It would be interesting to know what (if any) communications the other 6 
> bowl-eligible programs had had with their season ticket holders since 
> Saturday.  Since our marketing and attendance is somewhat challenged, 
> our ticket office should be doing more to drum up interest and keep the 
> season-ticket holders informed.
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 11:29:54 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 21 11:55:05 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
Message-ID: <240.20774f4.30b35e12@aol.com>

In terms of doing things the right way, Exhibit "A" is the academic  
suspension of Daunte Battle vs. the Illini.  It is unfortunate it happened,  and I 
hope he can recoup in time to play in the bowl game, and more importantly,  can 
right his academic ship, but if not, then that is the price NU must pay to  
maintain its integrity.  We're not going to shove these types of  things under 
the proverbial rug like other Big Ten schools that play in the  capital of Ohio 
might just do.
 
Paul Levinson
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 13:02:09 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov 21 13:03:12 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something !
In-Reply-To: <8C7BCD74ECA65A1-1DAC-473C@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C7BCD74ECA65A1-1DAC-473C@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511211102t2b20b95dlfd7aabe838ada237@mail.gmail.com>

I admit, NU Athletic marketing generally does a poor job.  But, I
believe they are handling the bowl situation correctly considering the
circumstances.

AD Murphy has said that the Sun Bowl is a likely destination while the
Alamo Bowl and Music City Bowl are also in the realm of possibilities.
 The department has already put pages together telling fans to buy
tickets from either the department or the NU Alumni Association and
has publicized the bowls that NU could go to.  Everyone knows that we
are going to a bowl as well as our likely destinations.

They have not been premature in announcing specific sites we may go
to, which would definitely hurt us without any official word from the
bowls.  Also, none of the bowls we may go to will have a competitor
locked up (except maybe the Alamo Bowl, which won't happen for at
least a week) since they are waiting on the same things that we are -
the BCS pairings.  We are already speculating enough along with the
media, if the athletic department were to jump in and make any
definitive statement prematurely it would be anarchy.

I do think that the NU athletic department should be able to improve
attendance at men's basketball and football games.  At least they have
a more coherent marketing campaign this year than previous years, as
they have ads in numerous places in the media.

Also, it would be nice if they put potential dates and price ranges
for ticket packages now that we have it narrowed down to 3 or so
potential bowls.

Jonathan

On 11/21/05, cherron604@aol.com <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:
> Since our game Saturday, I have received about 5 pages of e-mail (mostly from this list) discussing what happened, where we might be going, etc.  Also in that stretch, I received 1 official NU piece of email (CSTV actually) summarizing Saturday's game.
>
> >From the NU Athletic Department, silence.
>
> This group couldn't market food to gluttons.
>
> How hard is it to produce something short, describing the likely options, and a likely timetable of when a decision might be made ?  10-15 minutes for one staffer, then send it out to the whole mailing list.  That is one of the reasons e-mail has developed - much faster for mass communications.
>
> Everyone on the list (and we are probably better informed than the average NU ticket-holder) has wanted to know where we might be going, and when we might find out.  And it would be so easy for the ticket office just to pass along a note - but nothing.
>
> It would be interesting to know what (if any) communications the other 6 bowl-eligible programs had had with their season ticket holders since Saturday.  Since our marketing and attendance is somewhat challenged, our ticket office should be doing more to drum up interest and keep the season-ticket holders informed.
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 13:34:44 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov 21 13:35:47 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS Rankings
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511211134k17cc032eu41b016b0926b153a@mail.gmail.com>

In case anyone noticed, Northwestern is actually ranked in this week's
BCS rankings at #25 (thanks to lots of computer help, #14 in Sagarin
ratings used for BCS, #3 most difficult schedule nationally):

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSStandings

Also, Penn State is #3 and is a little ways ahead of LSU (but way
behind USC and Texas).

Jonathan

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From thiegs at umn.edu  Mon Nov 21 13:32:57 2005
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Mon Nov 21 13:36:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something !
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270511211102t2b20b95dlfd7aabe838ada237@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001c5eed2$609fb7b0$fb326580@jthiegs2003>

We do have this:

Get Ready to Bowl!
http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/about/bowl-2005.html

(linked from http://www.nusports.com front page)

I do think it would be nice to have something a little more informative,
though, like:

Bowl Watch 2005
http://www.alumni.umn.edu/bowl

(linked from http://www.gophersports.com front page)

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:02 PM
To: cherron604@aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something !


I admit, NU Athletic marketing generally does a poor job.  But, I believe
they are handling the bowl situation correctly considering the
circumstances.

AD Murphy has said that the Sun Bowl is a likely destination while the Alamo
Bowl and Music City Bowl are also in the realm of possibilities.  The
department has already put pages together telling fans to buy tickets from
either the department or the NU Alumni Association and has publicized the
bowls that NU could go to.  Everyone knows that we are going to a bowl as
well as our likely destinations.

They have not been premature in announcing specific sites we may go to,
which would definitely hurt us without any official word from the bowls.
Also, none of the bowls we may go to will have a competitor locked up
(except maybe the Alamo Bowl, which won't happen for at least a week) since
they are waiting on the same things that we are - the BCS pairings.  We are
already speculating enough along with the media, if the athletic department
were to jump in and make any definitive statement prematurely it would be
anarchy.

I do think that the NU athletic department should be able to improve
attendance at men's basketball and football games.  At least they have a
more coherent marketing campaign this year than previous years, as they have
ads in numerous places in the media.

Also, it would be nice if they put potential dates and price ranges for
ticket packages now that we have it narrowed down to 3 or so potential
bowls.

Jonathan

On 11/21/05, cherron604@aol.com <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:
> Since our game Saturday, I have received about 5 pages of e-mail 
> (mostly from this list) discussing what happened, where we might be 
> going, etc.  Also in that stretch, I received 1 official NU piece of 
> email (CSTV actually) summarizing Saturday's game.
>
> >From the NU Athletic Department, silence.
>
> This group couldn't market food to gluttons.
>
> How hard is it to produce something short, describing the likely 
> options, and a likely timetable of when a decision might be made ?  
> 10-15 minutes for one staffer, then send it out to the whole mailing 
> list.  That is one of the reasons e-mail has developed - much faster 
> for mass communications.
>
> Everyone on the list (and we are probably better informed than the 
> average NU ticket-holder) has wanted to know where we might be going, 
> and when we might find out.  And it would be so easy for the ticket 
> office just to pass along a note - but nothing.
>
> It would be interesting to know what (if any) communications the other 
> 6 bowl-eligible programs had had with their season ticket holders 
> since Saturday.  Since our marketing and attendance is somewhat 
> challenged, our ticket office should be doing more to drum up interest 
> and keep the season-ticket holders informed.
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com 
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>


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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 13:41:15 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov 21 13:42:21 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
In-Reply-To: <4380C1AD.9090706@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051121194115.98000.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:
> For those list members who are not happy about our 7-4 record (not to
mention overall winning record over the past 3 seasons), I feel sorry
for you that you are not able to share the joy the rest of us feel
about our team and our school.  -- Jim B.

Me too. 

What an entertaining year this was. Granted, if they hadn't pulled off
the Iowa comeback, I wouldn't be quite so ecstatic about this season.
But they did, and I am.

I'd like to offer a hearty congrats and big thank you to Walker, his
staff, and most importantly, the players. Even guys that didn't
necessarily play "well", played hard, all the time. 

I'm already excited about next year.

Tom


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 13:55:53 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov 21 13:57:00 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
In-Reply-To: <4380AB18.9000401@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <20051121195553.4914.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- "John A. DeGroat" <johnadeg@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

> What was Randy Walker thinking about when he left Basanez in the game
when it was obviously won.  What if Basanez had gotten hurt ?  

John, I think your extreme dislike of Walker may be clouding your
judgement. Frankly, I get the feeling that if Walker *had* taken Baz
out, you would be saying *that* was the wrong decision. 

I watched the game with a bunch of folks. No one in the room had any
problem whatsoever with leaving Baz in for that last drive. You did see
the end of the NU-Iowa game, right? 

Baz was handing off on every play. There was virtually no chance of
getting hurt, and no chance of a rookie mistake opening any kind of
door for the Illini.

You certainly have a right to criticize Walker, but, c'mon?

Tom




From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov 21 14:10:59 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov 21 14:11:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511212010.jALKAxeE014609@romaine.tssi.com>

> What was Randy Walker thinking about when he left Basanez in the game
> when it was obviously won.  What if Basanez had gotten hurt ?  

I am active on several other football-oriented groups in addition to the
ones I run for the Cats and the Huskers.

On EVERY LIST there are constant complaints about leaving QBs in too long.

I think it's just something that all coaches, both college and NFL, get 
criticized for.

About the only time I don't see complaints like that is when a team is
alternating QBs like Ohio State and Texas have done in some recent years.
(That gets complained about, too.)

Prior to NU going up by 17, the game was way too close for an untested
QB.  Most of our games have been way too close for an untested QB until
the last 2 or 3 minutes, at best.  Hopefully they'll be able to use
a fair portion of the extra 4 weeks of practice to work on next year's team.  
Of course, there may be another Baz still being recruited.
--
Mike Nolan

From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 14:15:47 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 21 14:19:53 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)
Message-ID: <26b.361807.30b384f3@aol.com>

Mike,
There won't be "another Baz" for many a year.  He's pretty  special.  But I 
bet RW can find himself some good QB recruits anyway.
 
Paul Levinson
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 21 14:31:25 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 21 14:31:28 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <26b.361807.30b384f3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000801c5eeda$8b7b9320$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

If you were watching in Kenosha, you got to see two of the new guys working out.

C.J. looked as good as I've seen a backup look.

Kafka also moved the team well, altho he was going against a D made up of
everyone else.

The kid who has committed reads like another good prospect, and the kid from PA,
who is projected as a Safety, was leading his team very well until he get hurt
last week.

If all else failed, there's still Malleo, and Peterman who probably could snap a
few and hand off if needed.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of NEONRye@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:16 PM
> To: nolan@romaine.tssi.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)
> 
> 
> Mike,
> There won't be "another Baz" for many a year.  He's pretty  
> special.  But I 
> bet RW can find himself some good QB recruits anyway.
>  
> Paul Levinson
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From tmcadams at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 14:31:19 2005
From: tmcadams at yahoo.com (Trey McAdams)
Date: Mon Nov 21 14:32:27 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats Ranked 25th in the latest BCS
Message-ID: <20051121203120.38068.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>

Congrats to the Cats, they got ranked in the latest
BCS poll number 25 despite not being in either the
Harris or USA Today Top 25.

The two teams in front of us are: Florida and Florida
State.  Not too often you see us ranked with those
guys.

One computer has us 13th.  And another on 15th.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSStandings




		
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 21 14:33:33 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 21 14:33:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something !
In-Reply-To: <003001c5eed2$609fb7b0$fb326580@jthiegs2003>
Message-ID: <000901c5eeda$d7c48930$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

The Gopher site is really up to date,.....

The last entry is 10/26 

Its very hard to report on things when nothing exists....

NU is also waiting until they get a call, or whatever they get to be asked to a
bowl. Until then, all you have is speculation and rumor, and you don't put that
on your "official web site" regardless of how intriguing or enticing it might
seem.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 2:33 PM
> To: 'Jonathan Hodges'; cherron604@aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something !
> 
> 
> We do have this:
> 
> Get Ready to Bowl! 
> http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/about/bowl-2005.html
> 
> (linked from http://www.nusports.com front page)
> 
> I do think it would be nice to have something a little more 
> informative, though, like:
> 
> Bowl Watch 2005
> http://www.alumni.umn.edu/bowl
> 
> (linked from http://www.gophersports.com front page)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:02 PM
> To: cherron604@aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something !
> 
> 
> I admit, NU Athletic marketing generally does a poor job.  
> But, I believe they are handling the bowl situation correctly 
> considering the circumstances.
> 
> AD Murphy has said that the Sun Bowl is a likely destination 
> while the Alamo Bowl and Music City Bowl are also in the 
> realm of possibilities.  The department has already put pages 
> together telling fans to buy tickets from either the 
> department or the NU Alumni Association and has publicized 
> the bowls that NU could go to.  Everyone knows that we are 
> going to a bowl as well as our likely destinations.
> 
> They have not been premature in announcing specific sites we 
> may go to, which would definitely hurt us without any 
> official word from the bowls. Also, none of the bowls we may 
> go to will have a competitor locked up (except maybe the 
> Alamo Bowl, which won't happen for at least a week) since 
> they are waiting on the same things that we are - the BCS 
> pairings.  We are already speculating enough along with the 
> media, if the athletic department were to jump in and make 
> any definitive statement prematurely it would be anarchy.
> 
> I do think that the NU athletic department should be able to 
> improve attendance at men's basketball and football games.  
> At least they have a more coherent marketing campaign this 
> year than previous years, as they have ads in numerous places 
> in the media.
> 
> Also, it would be nice if they put potential dates and price 
> ranges for ticket packages now that we have it narrowed down 
> to 3 or so potential bowls.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On 11/21/05, cherron604@aol.com <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:
> > Since our game Saturday, I have received about 5 pages of e-mail
> > (mostly from this list) discussing what happened, where we might be 
> > going, etc.  Also in that stretch, I received 1 official NU 
> piece of 
> > email (CSTV actually) summarizing Saturday's game.
> >
> > >From the NU Athletic Department, silence.
> >
> > This group couldn't market food to gluttons.
> >
> > How hard is it to produce something short, describing the likely
> > options, and a likely timetable of when a decision might be made ?  
> > 10-15 minutes for one staffer, then send it out to the 
> whole mailing 
> > list.  That is one of the reasons e-mail has developed - 
> much faster 
> > for mass communications.
> >
> > Everyone on the list (and we are probably better informed than the
> > average NU ticket-holder) has wanted to know where we might 
> be going, 
> > and when we might find out.  And it would be so easy for the ticket 
> > office just to pass along a note - but nothing.
> >
> > It would be interesting to know what (if any) 
> communications the other
> > 6 bowl-eligible programs had had with their season ticket holders 
> > since Saturday.  Since our marketing and attendance is somewhat 
> > challenged, our ticket office should be doing more to drum 
> up interest 
> > and keep the season-ticket holders informed.
> >
> > Chuck Herron   Tech '85
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov 21 14:59:36 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov 21 14:59:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511212059.jALKxaYP015152@romaine.tssi.com>

> There won't be "another Baz" for many a year.  He's pretty  special.  But I 
> bet RW can find himself some good QB recruits anyway.

No argument there, I was just pointing out that they have 4 weeks, during
which some time should be spent with next year's QB, unless we get another
recruit who can start as a freshman. 
--
Mike Nolan

From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Mon Nov 21 15:01:02 2005
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Mon Nov 21 15:08:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] another qb thought
In-Reply-To: <26b.361807.30b384f3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE8BD@goose.latimes.com>

 Northwestern segued from Kustok to Basanez. Let us all recall Walker saying many times that Kustok was a very special player; he has now said the same about Basanez. 
 Am hoping next year's qb can continue the string of good play ...
  

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: NEONRye@aol.com; nolan@romaine.tssi.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: 11/21/2005 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)

If you were watching in Kenosha, you got to see two of the new guys
working out.

C.J. looked as good as I've seen a backup look.

Kafka also moved the team well, altho he was going against a D made up
of
everyone else.

The kid who has committed reads like another good prospect, and the kid
from PA,
who is projected as a Safety, was leading his team very well until he
get hurt
last week.

If all else failed, there's still Malleo, and Peterman who probably
could snap a
few and hand off if needed.

rsl

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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of NEONRye@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:16 PM
> To: nolan@romaine.tssi.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)
> 
> 
> Mike,
> There won't be "another Baz" for many a year.  He's pretty  
> special.  But I 
> bet RW can find himself some good QB recruits anyway.
>  
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 15:13:02 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 21 15:14:36 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
Message-ID: <196.4bf615d6.30b3925e@aol.com>

 
100 years ago  there were those nay sayers who thought NU football was not 
worth the trouble,  bad coaches, underachieving players, too many losses. I 
guess those unhappy  people will never be satisfied. I am, we had a great season. 
With thanks to  hailtopurple.com for a history lesson: 
"A storm of  criticism followed the 1905 season. In the midst of all this 
clamor against football,  Northwestern University, along with Columbia and Union 
College in the East, took  the drastic action of abolishing  football."
From Martinitis at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 15:20:32 2005
From: Martinitis at aol.com (Martinitis@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 21 15:24:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
Message-ID: <15.518ef9a1.30b39420@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/19/2005 7:04:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
johnadeg@bellatlantic.net writes:
NU's athletic and/or PR departments can't even 
get ESPN to use "NU" instead of "NWU" when they give the scores.  I 
spent over 20 years in corporate investor relations and as consultant in 
that field and that kind of error wouldn't have been tolerated.  NU 
doesn't do the kind of job it should selling what we have to offer

My God, I can't believe this NU vs NW notion keeps coming up. Just look at 
the e-mail address on this post....

Obviously, Nebraska = NU for bookkeeping purposes at ESPN.  I'm certain the 
reason they don't call us NU is because of that.  Nothing to do with slighting 
us or the ineptness of our PR department.

This thread truly warrants the "Good Grief" Department!


Lou Martinaitis  '69
From thiegs at umn.edu  Mon Nov 21 15:49:44 2005
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Mon Nov 21 15:53:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <26b.361807.30b384f3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c5eee5$7c60b040$fb326580@jthiegs2003>

I think Paul's probably right.  However, I'd happily take a Zak Kustok or
Steve Schnur in the meantime.  I have high hopes for C.J. Bacher (sp?) right
now.  Sure, we expect a drop-off, but other teams have had successful
successors at QB (e.g., Henne replacing Navarre at Michigan; Leinert after
Palmer at USC; Texas Tech's litany of record-breakers; etc.), so who says we
can't too?  -Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of NEONRye@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 2:16 PM
To: nolan@romaine.tssi.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)


Mike,
There won't be "another Baz" for many a year.  He's pretty  special.  But I 
bet RW can find himself some good QB recruits anyway.
 
Paul Levinson
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 16:01:35 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov 21 16:02:43 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511212059.jALKxaYP015152@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20051121220135.45924.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> > There won't be "another Baz" for many a year.  He's pretty 
> special.  But I bet RW can find himself some good QB recruits anyway.

I think we may already be in good shape on the QB front. Bacher was
shaky in his first outing (Ohio, I think?), but it looks to me like the
basic elements are there. 

Remember, it took Basenez a long time to become the 2005-spec Basenez,
which included a bad sophmore year slump. 

Maybe Bacher won't ever be as good as Baz was this year, but there's
every chance his learning curve won't be as steep. More importantly, I
would guess that the 2006 team will be better overall than what Baz had
to work with his first year.

> 
> No argument there, I was just pointing out that they have 4
weeks,during which some time should be spent with next year's QB,
unless we get another recruit who can start as a freshman. 

No doubt. I'm sure the coaches are hugely relieved/excited to have
those extra practices this year. It should *everyone* get better next
year, but is especially welcome when you know you'll be faced with
grooming a new QB. 

Tom

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 21 16:15:03 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 21 16:20:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
In-Reply-To: <196.4bf615d6.30b3925e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1ad701c5eee9$059e7ab0$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

Nice idea, but just not the truth.

Here's a quote from the NU history page.

1905 Football banned for five years due to violence.
1907 Football ban recinded.

Here's a quote from the Yale site:

Across the country, the tide was turning against a game many considered
barbaric and unacceptably dangerous. In that season (1905) alone, 18 deaths
and 149 serious injuries were attributed to football. At colleges across the
country, including Harvard, a movement was afoot to ban the game.

So contrary to your claim, I think that "unhappy people" in 1905 probably
did have a reasonable basis for concern and it had precious little to do
with how teams were performing.  I would also hope, if kids started getting
killed in similar numbers in today's game, that people would also refuse to
be "satisfied" with the status quo.  

Your misleading post does bring up an interesting bit of history.

The reason why the game was so violent is that the forward pass was illegal
and you only needed five yards to get a first down.  In fact Stanford voted
to replace football with rugby because rugby was considered a safer game for
the players.

Teddy Roosevelt was President and got involved because one of his sons was
playing for Harvard.  Yale, however, didn't want the changes because they
had a dominant team.  As more and more colleges banned the sport and Harvard
threatened to do so as well, Yale finally relented and the rule changes
including the forward pass were approved.  The first year of the rule change
Yale beat Harvard 6-0 with a forward pass.  With the new rule changes, the
sport revived around the country (and at NU).  And now you know the rest of
the story.

Jeff



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Behalf Of MHRJGScott@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:13 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?

 
100 years ago  there were those nay sayers who thought NU football was not
worth the trouble,  bad coaches, underachieving players, too many losses. I
guess those unhappy  people will never be satisfied. I am, we had a great
season. 
With thanks to  hailtopurple.com for a history lesson: 
"A storm of  criticism followed the 1905 season. In the midst of all this
clamor against football,  Northwestern University, along with Columbia and
Union College in the East, took  the drastic action of abolishing
football."
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 21 16:27:53 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 21 16:33:20 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <003d01c5eee5$7c60b040$fb326580@jthiegs2003>
Message-ID: <1aeb01c5eeea$d070f9b0$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

As Mike said, there also might be someone else out there in the weeds that
will emerge.  That was certainly the case with Henne.  The only reason he
got a start is because of an injury Gutierez (sp?).  Sad story, but good
news for Henne.

Jeff
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:50 PM
To: NEONRye@aol.com; nolan@romaine.tssi.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)

I think Paul's probably right.  However, I'd happily take a Zak Kustok or
Steve Schnur in the meantime.  I have high hopes for C.J. Bacher (sp?) right
now.  Sure, we expect a drop-off, but other teams have had successful
successors at QB (e.g., Henne replacing Navarre at Michigan; Leinert after
Palmer at USC; Texas Tech's litany of record-breakers; etc.), so who says we
can't too?  -Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of NEONRye@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 2:16 PM
To: nolan@romaine.tssi.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)


Mike,
There won't be "another Baz" for many a year.  He's pretty  special.  But I
bet RW can find himself some good QB recruits anyway.
 
Paul Levinson
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Mon Nov 21 16:33:55 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Mon Nov 21 16:35:13 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
In-Reply-To: <15.518ef9a1.30b39420@aol.com>
References: <15.518ef9a1.30b39420@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43824B53.8090400@bellatlantic.net>

What you say would be logical if the score involved Nebraska.  The" NWU" 
as part of a web location is probably due to somebody having gotten a 
website ahead of Northwestern that used the :NU".

Martinitis@aol.com wrote:

>In a message dated 11/19/2005 7:04:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
>johnadeg@bellatlantic.net writes:
>NU's athletic and/or PR departments can't even 
>get ESPN to use "NU" instead of "NWU" when they give the scores.  I 
>spent over 20 years in corporate investor relations and as consultant in 
>that field and that kind of error wouldn't have been tolerated.  NU 
>doesn't do the kind of job it should selling what we have to offer
>
>My God, I can't believe this NU vs NW notion keeps coming up. Just look at 
>the e-mail address on this post....
>
>Obviously, Nebraska = NU for bookkeeping purposes at ESPN.  I'm certain the 
>reason they don't call us NU is because of that.  Nothing to do with slighting 
>us or the ineptness of our PR department.
>
>This thread truly warrants the "Good Grief" Department!
>
>
>Lou Martinaitis  '69
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From NUMBalum78 at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 16:38:16 2005
From: NUMBalum78 at aol.com (NUMBalum78@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 21 16:42:33 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. Virginia in Music City Bowl? 
Message-ID: <12e.6ad94924.30b3a658@aol.com>


At least three publications -- CNNSI.com, Collegefootballnews.com, and the 
Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Tony Barnhart -- are all predicting a matchup of 
NU vs. UVA in the Music City Bowl.  (Virginia is projected to get the at-large 
slot because the SEC won't have enough bowl-eligible teams.)  

This would be a great matchup, both of schools and of football teams.  I'm 
keeping my fingers crossed.  
From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Mon Nov 21 17:04:40 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Mon Nov 21 17:05:04 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
In-Reply-To: <20051121195553.4914.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051121195553.4914.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43825288.2080900@bellatlantic.net>

IN the MSU game Walker pulled Basanez when it became a blow out; right 
decision.  Leaving him in the Illinois game with a couple of minutes 
left and NU well ahead was an unnecessary risk.

John

Tom Maycock wrote:

>--- "John A. DeGroat" <johnadeg@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>What was Randy Walker thinking about when he left Basanez in the game
>>    
>>
>when it was obviously won.  What if Basanez had gotten hurt ?  
>
>John, I think your extreme dislike of Walker may be clouding your
>judgement. Frankly, I get the feeling that if Walker *had* taken Baz
>out, you would be saying *that* was the wrong decision. 
>
>I watched the game with a bunch of folks. No one in the room had any
>problem whatsoever with leaving Baz in for that last drive. You did see
>the end of the NU-Iowa game, right? 
>
>Baz was handing off on every play. There was virtually no chance of
>getting hurt, and no chance of a rookie mistake opening any kind of
>door for the Illini.
>
>You certainly have a right to criticize Walker, but, c'mon?
>
>Tom
>
>
>
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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 21 17:07:35 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov 21 17:08:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
In-Reply-To: <43824B53.8090400@bellatlantic.net>
References: <15.518ef9a1.30b39420@aol.com> <43824B53.8090400@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511211655030.29269@localhost>

Nice guess, but the nwu as a part of the domain name was intentional. 
nwu.edu was registered on January 22, 1987.  nu.edu was registered by 
National University in San Diego on January 6, 1993.

Having nwu-sports, while anachronistic, is charming and should stay. 
Also, Mike Nolan actually runs this list, and he's in the one situation 
where you actually do want to distinguish Northwestern from some other 
University of lesser repute out there on the prarie. ;-)

Academically NU uses "NW" or "NWU" in certain areas, including cites for 
the Northwestern University Law Review ("Nw. UL Rev." or other variants).

The University of Nebraska at Lincoln follows in what is generally an odd 
(some might say "dumb") tradition of the Big Eight.  Texas A&M actually 
makes fun of the University of Texas by calling it TU (and in the War 
Hymn, "Texas University"), so I'm not sure why the University of Nebraska 
enjoys being called NU.  Perhaps they're proud of their dyslexic students. 
;-)

In general, though, anyone who got confused at seeing "NU" on a televised 
scorebug and then not finding their beloved ugly red colors deserves their 
confusion.  I don't buy the confusion issue.  Anyone know how North Dakota 
gets abbreviated?  How about South Carolina?

Jonathan

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, John A. DeGroat wrote:

> What you say would be logical if the score involved Nebraska.  The" NWU" as 
> part of a web location is probably due to somebody having gotten a website 
> ahead of Northwestern that used the :NU".
>
> Martinitis@aol.com wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 11/19/2005 7:04:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
>> johnadeg@bellatlantic.net writes:
>> NU's athletic and/or PR departments can't even get ESPN to use "NU" instead 
>> of "NWU" when they give the scores.  I spent over 20 years in corporate 
>> investor relations and as consultant in that field and that kind of error 
>> wouldn't have been tolerated.  NU doesn't do the kind of job it should 
>> selling what we have to offer
>> 
>> My God, I can't believe this NU vs NW notion keeps coming up. Just look at 
>> the e-mail address on this post....
>> 
>> Obviously, Nebraska = NU for bookkeeping purposes at ESPN.  I'm certain the 
>> reason they don't call us NU is because of that.  Nothing to do with 
>> slighting us or the ineptness of our PR department.
>> 
>> This thread truly warrants the "Good Grief" Department!
>> 
>> 
>> Lou Martinaitis  '69
>> 
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 17:15:18 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 21 17:16:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)
Message-ID: <25d.1e07c4d.30b3af06@aol.com>

What's great is that we now have a tradition at the QB spot--the "bar" has  
been set by first Zak and then raised by Baz (By the way, great names and  
nicknames, eh.).  Athleticism combined with brains and fantastic study  habits and 
fitness work (even special eye training exercises, in BB's  case).  Not the 
big stud widebodies like Navarre or Henne, cause they are  not what is called 
for in the spread, but more mobile QB's with (at least with  BB) a hell of an 
accurate arm.  Purdue has had a great QB tradition; now I  am reasonably 
optimistic that NU is going to be one of the places in the  first tier of the  
Conference that a QB will look to to develop the  game to go play on Sundays and to 
star on ESPN and The Deuce on Saturdays.
 
Paul
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 21 17:34:45 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 21 17:41:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Chat during the game
Message-ID: <000a01c5eef4$2877fbf0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 21 17:50:26 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 21 17:56:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <25d.1e07c4d.30b3af06@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1b3601c5eef6$58c7c5e0$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

In terms of consecutive QB's I think you are right.

In terms of setting the bar, I think you have to start with Steve Schnur.
He took a team to the Rose Bowl and proved that teams with heart will find a
way to win.

As far as an avenue to the pros for QBs, I think that Michigan pretty much
has that covered these days.  The NFL pays these guys way too much money for
them to run with the ball.  They have to be big to take stay in the pocket,
see over the linemen, and take the hit.  Other than the physical attributes,
Carr teaches QB's to trust the plan, let the game come to them, take what
the defense is giving, and if that's nothing, throw the ball away or take
the sack and live to play another day.  It's that quality of consistency and
predictability that has make Michigan QB's popular in the pros.

I think our guys are more athletic, creative, and take more risks.  Works in
the spread for NU.  Doesn't work in the West Coast offense for the pros.

Jeff 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of NEONRye@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:15 PM
To: thiegs@umn.edu; nolan@romaine.tssi.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast (fwd)

What's great is that we now have a tradition at the QB spot--the "bar" has
been set by first Zak and then raised by Baz (By the way, great names and
nicknames, eh.).  Athleticism combined with brains and fantastic study
habits and fitness work (even special eye training exercises, in BB's
case).  Not the big stud widebodies like Navarre or Henne, cause they are
not what is called for in the spread, but more mobile QB's with (at least
with  BB) a hell of an accurate arm.  Purdue has had a great QB tradition;
now I  am reasonably optimistic that NU is going to be one of the places in
the  first tier of the Conference that a QB will look to to develop the
game to go play on Sundays and to star on ESPN and The Deuce on Saturdays.
 
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 18:03:31 2005
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 21 18:04:44 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
Message-ID: <da.316829e1.30b3ba53@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/21/2005 5:20:53 PM Central Standard Time,  
spiritu@northwestern.edu writes:

The  University of Nebraska at Lincoln follows in what is generally an odd  
(some might say "dumb") tradition of the Big Eight.  Texas A&M  actually 
makes fun of the University of Texas by calling it TU (and in the  War 
Hymn, "Texas University"), so I'm not sure why the University of  Nebraska 
enjoys being called NU.  Perhaps they're proud of their  dyslexic students. 



Think of what goes through the minds of the Friends of the Unitarian Church  
of Kennebunkport, ME.
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov 21 18:37:10 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov 21 18:37:12 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever! 
Message-ID: <200511220037.jAM0bAcG017654@romaine.tssi.com>

> The University of Nebraska at Lincoln follows in what is generally an odd 
> (some might say "dumb") tradition of the Big Eight.  Texas A&M actually 
> makes fun of the University of Texas by calling it TU (and in the War 
> Hymn, "Texas University"), so I'm not sure why the University of Nebraska 
> enjoys being called NU.  Perhaps they're proud of their dyslexic students. 
> ;-)

Some points to ponder:

1.  NU is easier to rhyme with or build into a chant than UN and it rolls 
    off the tongue easier.  

2.  Nebraska has used a 'NU' marching formation since the 1920's,
    I think before the Northwestern band started using one.

3.  The UN is in New York City.
--
Mike Nolan

From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Nov 21 19:27:51 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon Nov 21 19:47:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511211655030.29269@localhost>
References: <43824B53.8090400@bellatlantic.net> <15.518ef9a1.30b39420@aol.com>
	<43824B53.8090400@bellatlantic.net>
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At 11/21/2005 06:07 PM, Jonathan Michael Hawkins wrote:
>Nice guess, but the nwu as a part of the domain name was intentional. 
>nwu.edu was registered on January 22, 1987.  nu.edu was registered by 
>National University in San Diego on January 6, 1993.

Yeah, I was going to point out that when Northwestern first joined the 
Internet, our domain was nwu.edu (and I'm pretty sure that it still works 
alongside the more current northwestern.edu).  I had an nwu.edu e-mail 
address back in the day.  Actually, a casbah.acns.nwu.edu address, before 
the days of universal directories and centralized mail routing.

>Academically NU uses "NW" or "NWU" in certain areas, including cites for 
>the Northwestern University Law Review ("Nw. UL Rev." or other variants).

Key difference there being "Nw." (lowercase 'w' and a period at the end) 
vs. "NW" (Uppercase 'W' and no period).  The formal rules of abbreviations, 
if there is such a thing anymore, would say that 'NW' implies two words, 
i.e. "North Western".

>The University of Nebraska at Lincoln follows in what is generally an odd 
>(some might say "dumb") tradition of the Big Eight....  I'm not sure why 
>the University of Nebraska enjoys being called NU.

I'd never made the Big Eight connection before, but I have noticed -- and 
been annoyed by -- the University of Colorado and the University of Kansas 
referring to themselves as CU and KU.

>In general, though, anyone who got confused at seeing "NU" on a televised 
>scorebug and then not finding their beloved ugly red colors deserves their 
>confusion.  I don't buy the confusion issue.  Anyone know how North Dakota 
>gets abbreviated?  How about South Carolina?

North Dakota is UND (both Internet domain and logo); South Carolina is USC 
(although they are just sc.edu; that evil school in LA has usc.edu).

-Michael 

From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Nov 21 19:31:07 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon Nov 21 19:47:38 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] A Champaign boast
In-Reply-To: <43825288.2080900@bellatlantic.net>
References: <20051121195553.4914.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20051121195553.4914.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051121202800.03e69308@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

At 11/21/2005 06:04 PM, John A. DeGroat wrote:
>IN the MSU game Walker pulled Basanez when it became a blow out; right 
>decision.  Leaving him in the Illinois game with a couple of minutes left 
>and NU well ahead was an unnecessary risk.

Actually, as I've said before, I think that the MSU game was the one time 
that Walker should have pulled Baz sooner.  There was no reason for him to 
play the fourth quarter with us up by 35 points and it would have allowed 
CJ to get some quality reps, not just handing the ball off.  But I don't 
think that we ever had the luxury of pulling him at any other time in 
conference play except for the dOSU blowout.

-Michael 

From loomis3 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 21 20:44:19 2005
From: loomis3 at sbcglobal.net (Frank F. Loomis III)
Date: Mon Nov 21 20:45:28 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Spurrier v. Walker
Message-ID: <20051122024419.90926.qmail@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




Keep your fingers crossed that we don?t get South Carolina as our bowl opponent.

If we do, odds are that such a game would result in our being humiliated like we were in the Alamo bowl. 

Spurrier v.Walker would be no contest!

It would be pitting coaching-excellence against coaching-mediocrity. Give Spurrier three weeks to prepare for Randy, and things likely will be ugly. Ugh, ugh, and ugh! 

Hopefully, this will not come to pass, because we play some other team, or I?m all wet in how excellent a coach I think Spurrier is, and how excellent a coach I believe Walker is not. 

Anyway, if this matchup does come about, and the game is anything but an easy win for Spurrier, please verbally clobber me following the game. (I even expect some of you to do so right now.) I?ll put on my thick-skin suit.

But, but, and but, I emphatically hope I?m wrong, wrong, and wrong!

That is, that in such a match up, mediocrity vs excellence will be a contest. After all, we do have Baz. But even having one of the best Qbs in the country, overcoming Spurrier?s coaching excellence will take a lot of help from lady luck. 

And getting help from her is one of RW?s strong suits. I first witnessed his uncannily good fortune on September 16, 1995. By the stroke of an errant long snap, he beat one of our best teams ever. And since then, time and time again, he has pulled off dazzling wins that arguably, her grace played a substantial role in. 

Nevertheless, that does not make RW an excellent coach! His seven year losing record at NU (445??) screams otherwise. 

That?s the forest!

Frank Loomis 

P.S. Kindly don?t begrudge me too much, because I love you all. 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 21:20:29 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov 21 21:21:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. Virginia in Music City Bowl? 
In-Reply-To: <12e.6ad94924.30b3a658@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051122032029.93621.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com>

NU vs. UVa would be a pretty interesting matchup. If
the Cavs show up with their A game, they'd be a tough
foe, but seems fairly even.

Memphis would also be intriguing, pitting two of the
nation's best running backs against each other.

I like our chances in either of those games than in
one against one of the SEC's Big Six in Nashville or
the Pac 10's Big Three in El Paso.

GO CATS!!!
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From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Mon Nov 21 21:26:06 2005
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Mon Nov 21 21:33:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. Virginia in Music City Bowl? 
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE8C8@goose.latimes.com>

 I completely yet respectfully disagree. We can beat UCLA or Cal.
 Expecting victory - Alan

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:20 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU vs. Virginia in Music City Bowl? 


NU vs. UVa would be a pretty interesting matchup. If
the Cavs show up with their A game, they'd be a tough
foe, but seems fairly even.

Memphis would also be intriguing, pitting two of the
nation's best running backs against each other.

I like our chances in either of those games than in
one against one of the SEC's Big Six in Nashville or
the Pac 10's Big Three in El Paso.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From cyrilku at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 21:51:41 2005
From: cyrilku at yahoo.com (Cyril S. Ku)
Date: Mon Nov 21 21:52:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] looking back at our preseason predictions
In-Reply-To: <43815C97.60605@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051122035141.99871.qmail@web53315.mail.yahoo.com>

Jim,

Although I hit it right at 7-4, your predictions were
more accurate in terms of whom we won and whom we
lost.

Cyril

--- Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Well, I didn't hit it at 7-4 exactly as Cyril did. 
> I went and found my 
> original predictions I sent to this list.  Here's
> what I wrote in August:
> 
> Not optimistic enough.  If we start the season 4-1,
> we will have 
> tremendous momentum and our young players will have
> already earned 
> valuable experience while winning games.  We will
> proceed to defeat 
> Purdue, Michigan State and Illinois, and we will
> shock one of the three 
> other teams.  8-3 sounds about right to me!
> 
> Jim B.
> 
> 
> Jim Leonard wrote:
> 
> > Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
> >
> > It's a slow day, I've got football on my mind, and
> I'm feeling 
> > optimistic, so
> > let's have a little fun. Below is my prediction
> for wins and losses in 
> > 2005.
> > I'd like to know what the rest of you think.
> > Victory & Honor,
> > Jim
> >
> > 09/03/05 (H) Ohio               - WIN
> > 09/10/05 (H) Northern Illinois  - WIN
> > 09/17/05 (a) Arizona State      - Loss 09/24/05
> (H) Penn State         
> > - WIN
> > 10/08/05 (H) Wisconsin          - WIN
> > 10/15/05 (a) Purdue             - Loss
> > 10/22/05 (a) Michigan State     - WIN
> > 10/29/05 (H) Michigan           - Loss
> > 11/05/05 (H) Iowa               - Loss
> > 11/12/05 (a) Ohio State         - Loss
> > 11/19/05 (a) Illinois           - WIN
> > --------------------------------------
> >             OVERALL: 6-5
> >
> > Our "Bowl Bubble" game will be stealing a road win
> at Michigan State.
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Mon Nov 21 22:02:17 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Mon Nov 21 22:02:48 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. Virginia in Music City Bowl?
In-Reply-To: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE8C8@goose.latimes.com>
References: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE8C8@goose.latimes.com>
Message-ID: <43829849.2070606@bellatlantic.net>

Re playing Virginia.  You may have seen that  before the Virginia 
TEch-Virgiinia game somone modified  the Virginia logo that was in the 
middle of the field to make it look like the Virginia Tech logo.  Any 
way, a guy that I know who graduated from Virginia Tech many years ago 
had a great story (I think).  Virginia Tech was playing VMI. where there 
is a statue of Stonewall Jackson on his horse.  Before the game, some 
Virginia Tech guys took some Brasso and polished the horse's balls which 
resulted in the VMI cadet corps having to polish the whole horses.

Playing Virginia would be a good game.

Abrahamson, Alan wrote:

> I completely yet respectfully disagree. We can beat UCLA or Cal.
> Expecting victory - Alan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]On
>Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
>Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:20 PM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU vs. Virginia in Music City Bowl? 
>
>
>NU vs. UVa would be a pretty interesting matchup. If
>the Cavs show up with their A game, they'd be a tough
>foe, but seems fairly even.
>
>Memphis would also be intriguing, pitting two of the
>nation's best running backs against each other.
>
>I like our chances in either of those games than in
>one against one of the SEC's Big Six in Nashville or
>the Pac 10's Big Three in El Paso.
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Mon Nov 21 22:20:04 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Mon Nov 21 22:20:33 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
In-Reply-To: <200511220037.jAM0bAcG017654@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200511220037.jAM0bAcG017654@romaine.tssi.com>
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Speaking of the University of Texas and Texas A&M, I once stumbled onto 
a website that had nothing but Aggies jokes, some great ones.  Our 
minister who happened to go to Texas loved Aggie jokes.  In the Army, 
there ws a PFC from Baylor who used to tell Aggie jokes in a loud voice 
every time a Second Lieutenant from Texas A& M walked by .  I thought 
the guy was going to get court-martialed since the LT had no sense of humor.

John DeGroat

Mike Nolan wrote:

>>The University of Nebraska at Lincoln follows in what is generally an odd 
>>(some might say "dumb") tradition of the Big Eight.  Texas A&M actually 
>>makes fun of the University of Texas by calling it TU (and in the War 
>>Hymn, "Texas University"), so I'm not sure why the University of Nebraska 
>>enjoys being called NU.  Perhaps they're proud of their dyslexic students. 
>>;-)
>>    
>>
>
>Some points to ponder:
>
>1.  NU is easier to rhyme with or build into a chant than UN and it rolls 
>    off the tongue easier.  
>
>2.  Nebraska has used a 'NU' marching formation since the 1920's,
>    I think before the Northwestern band started using one.
>
>3.  The UN is in New York City.
>--
>Mike Nolan
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 22:15:31 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov 21 22:23:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. Virginia in Music City Bowl? 
In-Reply-To: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE8C8@goose.latimes.com>
Message-ID: <20051122041531.43818.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com>

I think we could beat them as well - we can beat just
about anybody if Baz and the O are on.

But I doubt we'd be likely to beat 'em (and I was
talking about our chances - not if)... Cal perhaps
(but we won't play Cal because if they get a BCS at
large bid to move up and slip Cal to the Sun, OSU
won't and we won't be in El Paso), but not UCLA.

The Bruins are a top 10 team with a 9-1 mark. They
have beaten Oklahoma and Cal and run up impressive
numbers. Their one loss -- Arizona -- seems to be one
of those "perfect storm" moments when everything went
wrong for UCLA and everything went right for the
Wildcats (who haven't looked that good in years).
They'll give USC a good game (they should have beat
'em last year save for a poor officiating call) -
don't underestimate the Bruins.

--- "Abrahamson, Alan" <Alan.Abrahamson@latimes.com>
wrote:

>  I completely yet respectfully disagree. We can beat
> UCLA or Cal.
>  Expecting victory - Alan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]On
> Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:20 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU vs. Virginia in Music
> City Bowl? 
> 
> 
> NU vs. UVa would be a pretty interesting matchup. If
> the Cavs show up with their A game, they'd be a
> tough
> foe, but seems fairly even.
> 
> Memphis would also be intriguing, pitting two of the
> nation's best running backs against each other.
> 
> I like our chances in either of those games than in
> one against one of the SEC's Big Six in Nashville or
> the Pac 10's Big Three in El Paso.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 21 22:26:54 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 21 22:26:13 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
In-Reply-To: <15.518ef9a1.30b39420@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c5ef1c$f7b5d9a0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

NU = Northwestern University

UN-L University of Nebraska at Lincoln

Seems too easy to me.

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> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:21 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/19/2005 7:04:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> johnadeg@bellatlantic.net writes:
> NU's athletic and/or PR departments can't even 
> get ESPN to use "NU" instead of "NWU" when they give the scores.  I 
> spent over 20 years in corporate investor relations and as 
> consultant in 
> that field and that kind of error wouldn't have been tolerated.  NU 
> doesn't do the kind of job it should selling what we have to offer
> 
> My God, I can't believe this NU vs NW notion keeps coming up. 
> Just look at 
> the e-mail address on this post....
> 
> Obviously, Nebraska = NU for bookkeeping purposes at ESPN.  
> I'm certain the 
> reason they don't call us NU is because of that.  Nothing to 
> do with slighting 
> us or the ineptness of our PR department.
> 
> This thread truly warrants the "Good Grief" Department!
> 
> 
> Lou Martinaitis  '69
> 

From herms at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 21 22:36:38 2005
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Mon Nov 21 22:37:10 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
In-Reply-To: <001501c5ef1c$f7b5d9a0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F1683EBF0D96C86AD1C8DCAE520@phx.gbl>

Don't they abbreviate Nebraska as NEB on telecasts?
Herman


>From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
>Reply-To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com
>To: <Martinitis@aol.com>, <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:26:54 -0500
>
>NU = Northwestern University
>
>UN-L University of Nebraska at Lincoln
>
>Seems too easy to me.
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> > [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Martinitis@aol.com
> > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:21 PM
> > To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/19/2005 7:04:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > johnadeg@bellatlantic.net writes:
> > NU's athletic and/or PR departments can't even
> > get ESPN to use "NU" instead of "NWU" when they give the scores.  I
> > spent over 20 years in corporate investor relations and as
> > consultant in
> > that field and that kind of error wouldn't have been tolerated.  NU
> > doesn't do the kind of job it should selling what we have to offer
> >
> > My God, I can't believe this NU vs NW notion keeps coming up.
> > Just look at
> > the e-mail address on this post....
> >
> > Obviously, Nebraska = NU for bookkeeping purposes at ESPN.
> > I'm certain the
> > reason they don't call us NU is because of that.  Nothing to
> > do with slighting
> > us or the ineptness of our PR department.
> >
> > This thread truly warrants the "Good Grief" Department!
> >
> >
> > Lou Martinaitis  '69
> >
>
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From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Mon Nov 21 22:34:41 2005
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Mon Nov 21 22:42:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] UCLA, cont.
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE8CA@goose.latimes.com>

Again, I completely and respectfully disagree.
 A colleague at my paper calls them (in print) the Frauds. I confess I'm not all that taken with them, even with their one loss, but nonetheless I don't underestimate them. Drew Olson is having a great season and Maurice Jones is the real deal.
 But, if they go to the Sun Bowl, my guess is they are going to be emotionally feeling sluggish about it - and the prospect of playing a "lesser" opponent in Northwestern.
 We, on the other hand, would be playing -- by reputation at least -- "up." 
 Expect victory.
 



 
-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) [mailto:sjtruog@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:16 PM
To: Abrahamson, Alan
Cc: 'nwu-sports@tssi.com'
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU vs. Virginia in Music City Bowl? 


I think we could beat them as well - we can beat just
about anybody if Baz and the O are on.

But I doubt we'd be likely to beat 'em (and I was
talking about our chances - not if)... Cal perhaps
(but we won't play Cal because if they get a BCS at
large bid to move up and slip Cal to the Sun, OSU
won't and we won't be in El Paso), but not UCLA.

The Bruins are a top 10 team with a 9-1 mark. They
have beaten Oklahoma and Cal and run up impressive
numbers. Their one loss -- Arizona -- seems to be one
of those "perfect storm" moments when everything went
wrong for UCLA and everything went right for the
Wildcats (who haven't looked that good in years).
They'll give USC a good game (they should have beat
'em last year save for a poor officiating call) -
don't underestimate the Bruins.

--- "Abrahamson, Alan" <Alan.Abrahamson@latimes.com>
wrote:

>  I completely yet respectfully disagree. We can beat
> UCLA or Cal.
>  Expecting victory - Alan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]On
> Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:20 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU vs. Virginia in Music
> City Bowl? 
> 
> 
> NU vs. UVa would be a pretty interesting matchup. If
> the Cavs show up with their A game, they'd be a
> tough
> foe, but seems fairly even.
> 
> Memphis would also be intriguing, pitting two of the
> nation's best running backs against each other.
> 
> I like our chances in either of those games than in
> one against one of the SEC's Big Six in Nashville or
> the Pac 10's Big Three in El Paso.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT



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From lvaccher at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 23:23:22 2005
From: lvaccher at comcast.net (Louie Vaccher)
Date: Mon Nov 21 23:24:08 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever! 
References: <200511220037.jAM0bAcG017654@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <006001c5ef24$db8d2a50$c0d7b043@Louie>

I'm glad you brought up the dyslexic Nebraska "NU" because that seems to run 
rampant in the Big XII. In addition to the misnamed NU, you have OU (U. of 
Oklahoma), CU (U. of Colorado) and KU (U. of Kansas). Of course, in the Big 
Ten, we call Indiana IU, so I guess it's pretty common.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Nolan" <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!


>> The University of Nebraska at Lincoln follows in what is generally an odd
>> (some might say "dumb") tradition of the Big Eight.  Texas A&M actually
>> makes fun of the University of Texas by calling it TU (and in the War
>> Hymn, "Texas University"), so I'm not sure why the University of Nebraska
>> enjoys being called NU.  Perhaps they're proud of their dyslexic 
>> students.
>> ;-)
>
> Some points to ponder:
>
> 1.  NU is easier to rhyme with or build into a chant than UN and it rolls
>    off the tongue easier.
>
> 2.  Nebraska has used a 'NU' marching formation since the 1920's,
>    I think before the Northwestern band started using one.
>
> 3.  The UN is in New York City.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov 21 23:39:11 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov 21 23:39:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. Virginia in Music City Bowl? (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511220539.jAM5dBKQ020811@romaine.tssi.com>

>  I completely yet respectfully disagree. We can beat UCLA or Cal.

I haven't seen UCLA play much, I tend to agree about Cal.

Cal lost 4 games, we lost 4 games, that seems like a good match.

I think we'd match up very well against all the other 4 loss teams, too:

Nebraska          I think the Cats would light up the scoreboard on the
                  Husker secondary, but I think UNL loses to Colorado 
                  on Friday and drops out of the 4 loss pool.
 
Miami (Ohio)      The media would have a cow over that one!

Oklahoma          Might settle the 'can RW coach?' argument!

South Carolina    The rebirth of visor boy's 'deer in the headlights' look?

N. Illinois       Wouldn't the media love that one too?

Tulsa             Could win the total points in a bowl game.
--
Mike Nolan

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 23:53:22 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov 21 23:54:36 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever! 
In-Reply-To: <006001c5ef24$db8d2a50$c0d7b043@Louie>
Message-ID: <20051122055323.5238.qmail@web52911.mail.yahoo.com>

> Kansas). Of course, in the Big 
> Ten, we call Indiana IU, so I guess it's pretty
> common.

Dunno about all the Big XII ones, but IU is indeed
Indiana University (as a teaching program alum of IUN
- Indiana University Northwest, I know:) ).

Ill-noise and the Bumblebees are U of I.

We're not dyslexic in the Big Ten - we just can't
count!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From johnl at mac.com  Tue Nov 22 01:20:27 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Tue Nov 22 01:22:49 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051121200557.03e7c850@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
References: <43824B53.8090400@bellatlantic.net> <15.518ef9a1.30b39420@aol.com>
	<43824B53.8090400@bellatlantic.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20051121200557.03e7c850@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <17a3c85e3ba2146bb95cc4902fdbd6c7@mac.com>

A couple of random thoughts on this thread:

1) I completely agree that we should try to get the W banned in NWU.  
It doesn't make sense, and just because Nebraska may also be "NU" 
doesn't mean we shouldn't be NU as well.  It seems to me that I've seen 
NU used in some telecasts lately, although I may be mistaken.  The ESPN 
broadcasts of the Michigan and Iowa games had us as "NW" although ABC 
had us as "N'western" during the Ohio State game, which is fine.

2) Back in the early days of the Internet, isn't it true that all 
domain names were three letters?  Hence, we chose "NWU".  In any event, 
clearly we changed that for a reason and the fact that a couple of 
techies chose NWU back in the day shouldn't necessarily count for much.

3) The correct abbreviation of the Northwestern University Law Review 
is "Nw. U. L. Rev."  As Michael notes below, the lowercase "w" is the 
key here, as well as the fact that there's no period between the N and 
the w, which means the "Nw." is an abbreviation for just one word.  But 
in any event, this abbreviation wasn't chosen by the university.  It's 
from the Bluebook, which was written by some editors at the Harvard Law 
Review, and was chosen to make it clear what journal is being cited and 
distinguish it from other possible N.U.s.




On Nov 21, 2005, at 7:27 PM, Michael Vance wrote:

> At 11/21/2005 06:07 PM, Jonathan Michael Hawkins wrote:
>> Nice guess, but the nwu as a part of the domain name was intentional. 
>> nwu.edu was registered on January 22, 1987.  nu.edu was registered by 
>> National University in San Diego on January 6, 1993.
>
> Yeah, I was going to point out that when Northwestern first joined the 
> Internet, our domain was nwu.edu (and I'm pretty sure that it still 
> works alongside the more current northwestern.edu).  I had an nwu.edu 
> e-mail address back in the day.  Actually, a casbah.acns.nwu.edu 
> address, before the days of universal directories and centralized mail 
> routing.
>
>> Academically NU uses "NW" or "NWU" in certain areas, including cites 
>> for the Northwestern University Law Review ("Nw. UL Rev." or other 
>> variants).
>
> Key difference there being "Nw." (lowercase 'w' and a period at the 
> end) vs. "NW" (Uppercase 'W' and no period).  The formal rules of 
> abbreviations, if there is such a thing anymore, would say that 'NW' 
> implies two words, i.e. "North Western".
>
>> The University of Nebraska at Lincoln follows in what is generally an 
>> odd (some might say "dumb") tradition of the Big Eight....  I'm not 
>> sure why the University of Nebraska enjoys being called NU.
>
> I'd never made the Big Eight connection before, but I have noticed -- 
> and been annoyed by -- the University of Colorado and the University 
> of Kansas referring to themselves as CU and KU.
>
>> In general, though, anyone who got confused at seeing "NU" on a 
>> televised scorebug and then not finding their beloved ugly red colors 
>> deserves their confusion.  I don't buy the confusion issue.  Anyone 
>> know how North Dakota gets abbreviated?  How about South Carolina?
>
> North Dakota is UND (both Internet domain and logo); South Carolina is 
> USC (although they are just sc.edu; that evil school in LA has 
> usc.edu).
>
> -Michael
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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 02:12:20 2005
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 22 02:16:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something !
Message-ID: <281.a75d0.30b42ce4@aol.com>

 
The Michigan site IS up-to-date
 
Shows the likely bowls for Michigan, links to their sites, links to ticket  
info and alumni tour info.
 
We all know they can't say anything official, just a heads-up on potential  
dates, potential sites and potential price ranges.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From CHerron604 at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 02:13:33 2005
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 22 02:17:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
Message-ID: <126.69e5ce1f.30b42d2d@aol.com>

 
Not really obvious...
 
Isn't Nebraska's official name 'The University of Nebraska-Lincoln' ?
 
Even their website is _www.unl.edu_ (http://www.unl.edu/) 
 
So they get to be called NU when they are officially UN ?  or UNL  ?
 
And we get called NWU when we are officially NU ?
 
I think Mike explained this for us once (or maybe it was Bob  Schooler...)
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From warneradams at comcast.net  Tue Nov 22 07:02:29 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Tue Nov 22 07:03:08 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?
In-Reply-To: <196.4bf615d6.30b3925e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200511221303.jAMD33bl008002@gw.tssi.com>

If you saw how football was played in that time you would vote to abolish it
too.  Check out John Sayle Waterson's history of college football.  It was
an incredibly violent game and corrupt as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of MHRJGScott@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:13 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Change the coaches?

 
100 years ago  there were those nay sayers who thought NU football was not 
worth the trouble,  bad coaches, underachieving players, too many losses. I 
guess those unhappy  people will never be satisfied. I am, we had a great
season. 
With thanks to  hailtopurple.com for a history lesson: 
"A storm of  criticism followed the 1905 season. In the midst of all this 
clamor against football,  Northwestern University, along with Columbia and
Union 
College in the East, took  the drastic action of abolishing  football."
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 07:08:04 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 22 07:12:15 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] boys will be boys
Message-ID: <221.373d501.30b47234@aol.com>

_http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-051121nubrite,1,7224924.story?coll=ch
i-sportsnew-hed_ 
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-051121nubrite,1,7224924.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed) 
 
Says he will not be suspended for the bowl game.
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 08:22:27 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov 22 08:23:36 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Spurrier v. Walker
In-Reply-To: <20051122024419.90926.qmail@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051122024419.90926.qmail@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511220622s6fa1adf3o42b73c7aa86d56ed@mail.gmail.com>

> Keep your fingers crossed that we don't get South Carolina as our bowl opponent.

Luckily, as mentioned earlier on this list, if we do go to the Music
City Bowl we will not face an SEC opponent since they will not have
enough eligible teams.  (The Independence Bowl will take any available
SEC team if they do not send 2 to the BCS games).

Unfortunately, if we go to the Sun Bowl, we will have a strong chance
of facing a UCLA team that has an excellent offense and a really quick
running back that could slice right through our defense.  Only time
will tell who we will face where, though.

Jonathan


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 22 08:54:25 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 22 08:53:46 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] boys will be boys
In-Reply-To: <221.373d501.30b47234@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000201c5ef74$a16d5930$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Honest mistake - tried to get into the wrong house...

Seriously guys, how many times have you pulled into the wrong driveway late at
night on a dark street?

I know I have - all the houses on our street look the same in the dark <g>

"Little Houses, filled with ticky tacky"

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of MHRJGScott@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:08 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] boys will be boys
> 
> 
> _http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-051121nubrite,1,72249
> 24.story?coll=ch
> i-sportsnew-hed_ 
> (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-051121nubrite,1,72249
24.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed) 
 
Says he will not be suspended for the bowl game.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 22 08:55:55 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 22 08:55:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/22
Message-ID: <000301c5ef74$d7824210$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
for Purple Reign
& the NU Sports List

Tuesday Edition

Roundball picks up win #3 with a sloppy one over FAU, Women on the road for a
while, Football waiting, and waiting, but there's Swimming news, volleyball,
Wrestling, Miscellany too.


All the News that Fits We Link
 Your Index to News about
Northwestern University Athletics

BASKETBALL

     Men:
     Northwestern Outlasts FAU, 69-59
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112105aaa.html 
     + Need More Work Against the Zone: NU 69 FAU 59
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/469756.html 
     + NU 'lucky to escape'
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051121nugamer,1,155920
1.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Zilka: Cats need a changing of guards
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/22/4382e15a6dc68 
     + Vukusic dunk sends Owls back to barn
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/22/4382e520350e4 
     + Vukusic, Cats prevail despite void
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=124567 
     + Northwestern 69, Florida Atlantic 59
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/221sd8.htm 
     + Northwestern slams past FAU
      http://www.nwherald.com/SportsSection/college/26466696887213.php 
     + NCAA Game Summary - Northwestern Vs UNC-Wilmington
      http://www.nbc5.com/cbaskc07/5335887/detail.html 

     Looking on bright side of win over Florida Atlantic
      http://www.nuhoops.com/2005/11/looking_on_bright_side_of_win.html 

     Box Score
 
http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/mb112105.html 

     From the FAU Owls: [Their media didn't even cover the game - and it wasn't
that late]
     Doherty never lost passion for coaching
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/22/4382e0ad2739f 

     Next Up: @ DePaul Blue Demons  [11/26] 
     Clarke, Heard step  into productive roles
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/depaul.asp?id=123631 
     + Braves Spoil DePaul Debut of Jerry Wainwright
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=2&ID=2530 
     + Wainwright Era Begins on Sour Note
      http://depaul.scout.com/2/468952.html 
     + WeAreDePaul.com Bubble Report - 11/21/05
      http://depaul.scout.com/2/469707.html 

     @ Virginia [11/30]
     Virginia Travels To Richmond For Tuesday Night Contest 
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112105aab.html 
     + Quotes 
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/111805aac.html 
     + Virginia Baseball Signs Nine Players
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/112105aac.html 
     + UVa ready for UR
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768299192&path=%21sports 

     Other Big 10 Basketball News
     Befuddled Illini muddle through
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051120illinigamer,1,35
97849.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     Men's Basketball Weekly Release - Nov. 21
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112105aae.html 
     Getcher Tickets right here...
     2006 Big Ten Men's and Women's Basketball Tournament Tickets on Sale
Starting Nov. 23


     Women
     Northwestern Set to Tangle with the Tigers
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/112105aab.html 
     + Women Take on Northwestern in Home-Opener Tuesday Night
      http://mutigers.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/112105aac.html 
     + Mizzoo's Complete Release in PDF Format
 
http://www.fansonly.com/photos/schools/miss/sports/w-baskbl/auto_pdf/04-Northwes
tern.pdf 

     NU begins its longest road trip of the season
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/22/4382e2ea37e2b 

     All 11 Conference Schools in Action This Week
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/112105aae.html 


FOOTBALL

     Wildcats destined for Sun or Music City
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051121nufoot,1,2497382
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Wildcats seek first bowl win
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=124568 
     + Northwestern goes bowlin'; Illinois goes nowhere
      http://www.chicagodefender.com/page/sports.cfm?ArticleID=2962 
     + NU awaits selection of bowl destination
      http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/uwire/112105aca.html 

     Northwestern Football: 2005 Regular Season Wrap-Up
      http://jhodges.org/archives/2005/11/21/83/ 

     NU's McGarigle faces charges
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051121nubrite,1,470493
9.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     Miscellaneous Football News:
     Penn State climbs to 3rd in BCS
      http://www.nwherald.com/SportsSection/college/325453176243635.php 
     + Conference alliances split in latest BCS standings
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=123 

     Big Ten Weekly Football Release - Nov. 21
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112105aac.html 

Recruiting

     McWhirter Plans on Visiting ISU
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=469500 
     Adrian Archie Adding OL Depth
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=469542&nid=2287513&fhn=1&refid=4742

     Glenbrook North, Hales top AP preseason rankings
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/boysbasketball/cs-0511
21prepbbaprankings,0,2404463.story?coll=cs-hs-boysbasketball-print 

SWIMMING

     Wildcats post NCAA 'A' standard times for 1st time 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/22/4382e20db99a9 

VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats Set Sights on Perfect November
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/112105aaa.html 

WRESTLING

     No. 2 Jake Herbert Tops Jacob Klein at NWCA All-Star Classic
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/112105aab.html 

MISCELLANY

     Woelk: Even NU fans treating CU game as a rivalry now
 
http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/buffzone_columnist/article/0,2585,BDC_23216_42583
23,00.html 

ALUMNI

     Luis Castillo: Chargers' defense is getting plenty of reasons to dance
      http://www.chargers.com/news/headline_detail.cfm?news_key=2432 
     Brent Mussburger: Brent caught drinking in the parking lot...
     Musburger cited, fined $144 after Nebraska-Pitt game
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5102520 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 22 08:59:01 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 22 08:58:20 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
In-Reply-To: <126.69e5ce1f.30b42d2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000401c5ef75$461105e0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Since we're all taking credit for things...

I think I was the first one here to use the UN-L for Nebraska in the lead up to
the Alamo bowl a few years back.

I know I was the first to really use dOSU, because my message board suffered the
ravages of outraged dOSU fans for weeks after it was repeated over on theirs.

Whenever I get something that calls us NW or NWU from one of my fellow
publishers, I just inform them that NW is an airline, and NWU is something an
intern at ESPN made up. Northwestern University is called NU.

I've just about got all the Scout.com guys using the proper digraph <g>

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of CHerron604@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:14 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
> 
> 
>  
> Not really obvious...
>  
> Isn't Nebraska's official name 'The University of Nebraska-Lincoln' ?
>  
> Even their website is _www.unl.edu_ (http://www.unl.edu/) 
>  
> So they get to be called NU when they are officially UN ?  or UNL  ?
>  
> And we get called NWU when we are officially NU ?
>  
> I think Mike explained this for us once (or maybe it was Bob  
> Schooler...)
>  
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> 
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From loomis3 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 22 08:58:47 2005
From: loomis3 at sbcglobal.net (Frank F. Loomis III)
Date: Tue Nov 22 08:59:56 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [NU Sports] Spurrier v. Walker
Message-ID: <20051122145848.35649.qmail@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Note: forwarded message attached.
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 09:01:28 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 22 09:01:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
In-Reply-To: <126.69e5ce1f.30b42d2d@aol.com> from "CHerron604@aol.com" at Nov
	22, 2005 03:13:33 AM
Message-ID: <200511221501.jAMF1S89026481@romaine.tssi.com>

> Not really obvious...
>  
> Isn't Nebraska's official name 'The University of Nebraska-Lincoln' ?

Officially it is still the University of Nebraska, or at least that's
what is on my MBA diploma.  There are four independent campus units:
Lincoln, Omaha, Kearney and the Medical Center, each of which has its
own Chancellor.  The central administration offices and the President 
of the University are both in Lincoln.

However, I doubt you'd be interested in a long discussion on the 125 year 
old rivalry between Lincoln and Omaha and how the University of Omaha 
and Kearney State College were added to the University of Nebraska system.  
(Even the Husker List doesn't talk about that topic much.)

> Even their website is _www.unl.edu_ (http://www.unl.edu/) 

They also own the nebraska.edu domain as a gateway to the four campuses.
--
Mike Nolan

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Nov 22 08:27:26 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Nov 22 09:03:37 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] boys will be boys
In-Reply-To: <221.373d501.30b47234@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1d7c01c5ef70$dd8a2140$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

If we read a similar article published in the Columbus Dispatch about AJ
Hawk, would we be as generous in saying boys will be boys?  How would we be
characterizing Tressel and OSU if they also concluded that Hawk should still
play?

I agree with the article and the decision.  It was a stupid thing to do and
McGarigle took full responsibility.  But he has been charged with a crime
(albeit a misdemeanors) and will likely plead guilty.  So I have to admit
that I am not completely comfortable with the fact that he is still playing.
Wasn't there a somewhat similar incident of attempted house invasion a year
or so ago where a couple of non-starters got kicked off the team?  If I
recall the incident, it was also alcohol related and involved a player
attempting to break into an apartment in Evanston because he thought it was
his own.  Doesn't this smack of the same football bias that we
self-righteously accuse others of?

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of MHRJGScott@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:08 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] boys will be boys

_http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-051121nubrite,1,7224924.story?coll=
ch
i-sportsnew-hed_
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-051121nubrite,1,7224924.story?coll=
chi-sportsnew-hed) 
 
Says he will not be suspended for the bowl game.
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 09:02:55 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov 22 09:04:03 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever!
In-Reply-To: <126.69e5ce1f.30b42d2d@aol.com>
References: <126.69e5ce1f.30b42d2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511220702q6418eff1u9187b53a33b65f24@mail.gmail.com>

I would imagine it was a logical choice to abbreviate Northwestern
University NWU, and when they first were handing out domains on the
internet it was an easy choice to choose nwu.edu, since everyone had
relatively short domain names at the time.  Starting in 1999, though,
Northwestern went to a more uniform identity and phased out nwu.edu
(all of those e-mail addresses have since stopped working... only
northwestern.edu addresses have been handed out since '99) and the
internet addresses using nwu.edu have also been phased out in favor of
northwestern.edu.

I think it would be good to have a uniform brand and be represented by
NU (that is what we call ourselves), but I don't think its worth
getting all knotted up over.  On broadcasts people not familiar with
Northwestern may recognize NWU over NU.  A uniform brand name (and
better marketing) would help the cause a little better, though.

Jonathan

On 11/22/05, CHerron604@aol.com <CHerron604@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Not really obvious...
>
> Isn't Nebraska's official name 'The University of Nebraska-Lincoln' ?
>
> Even their website is _www.unl.edu_ (http://www.unl.edu/)
>
> So they get to be called NU when they are officially UN ?  or UNL  ?
>
> And we get called NWU when we are officially NU ?
>
> I think Mike explained this for us once (or maybe it was Bob  Schooler...)
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 09:06:06 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 22 09:06:08 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something ! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511221506.jAMF667H026540@romaine.tssi.com>

> The Michigan site IS up-to-date
>  
> Shows the likely bowls for Michigan, links to their sites, links to ticket  
> info and alumni tour info.
>  
> We all know they can't say anything official, just a heads-up on potential  
> dates, potential sites and potential price ranges.

The Michigan Athletic Department does a MUCH BETTER JOB in promoting itself.
Considering the talent that Northwestern graduates, it does a remarkably
poor job promoting itself.  I'm not restricting that criticism to just
the Athletic Department, though they're among the worst offenders.
--
Mike Nolan

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 09:26:51 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov 22 09:28:00 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] boys will be boys
In-Reply-To: <1d7c01c5ef70$dd8a2140$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
References: <221.373d501.30b47234@aol.com>
	<1d7c01c5ef70$dd8a2140$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511220726x58ae7739sfd6e66529a80f920@mail.gmail.com>

You are correct that a couple of players entered someone's home a
couple of years back while intoxicated.  You may be able to find the
article in the Daily archives, although I forget the players names. 
Obviously this is an embarassment to the team and the school, as are
any crimes by current players.  What is also disturbing is that these
types of crimes are not all that uncommon on campuses as students get
intoxicated and can barely find their way home.  Not that this is an
excuse, but it is a rather common occurance, and usually gets
dismissed by the victim if they are in a dorm or are also a college
student.

Jonathan

On 11/22/05, Jeff Beamsley <jeffb@hilgraeve.com> wrote:
> If we read a similar article published in the Columbus Dispatch about AJ
> Hawk, would we be as generous in saying boys will be boys?  How would we be
> characterizing Tressel and OSU if they also concluded that Hawk should still
> play?
>
> I agree with the article and the decision.  It was a stupid thing to do and
> McGarigle took full responsibility.  But he has been charged with a crime
> (albeit a misdemeanors) and will likely plead guilty.  So I have to admit
> that I am not completely comfortable with the fact that he is still playing.
> Wasn't there a somewhat similar incident of attempted house invasion a year
> or so ago where a couple of non-starters got kicked off the team?  If I
> recall the incident, it was also alcohol related and involved a player
> attempting to break into an apartment in Evanston because he thought it was
> his own.  Doesn't this smack of the same football bias that we
> self-righteously accuse others of?
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of MHRJGScott@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:08 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] boys will be boys
>
> _http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-051121nubrite,1,7224924.story?coll=
> ch
> i-sportsnew-hed_
> (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-051121nubrite,1,7224924.story?coll=
> chi-sportsnew-hed)
>
> Says he will not be suspended for the bowl game.
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 09:53:01 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 22 09:53:05 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511221553.jAMFr1Ig027148@romaine.tssi.com>

> I would imagine it was a logical choice to abbreviate Northwestern
> University NWU, and when they first were handing out domains on the
> internet it was an easy choice to choose nwu.edu, since everyone had
> relatively short domain names at the time.  

It is commonly believed that Northwestern chose 'nwu.edu' because it
couldn't have 'nu.edu'.  The record suggests that was never the case.
 
> I think it would be good to have a uniform brand and be represented by
> NU (that is what we call ourselves), but I don't think its worth
> getting all knotted up over.  On broadcasts people not familiar with
> Northwestern may recognize NWU over NU.  A uniform brand name (and
> better marketing) would help the cause a little better, though.

Even though there are some Northwestern alums who are part of the 
senior management team at ESPN (some of whom may even read this list),
I don't expect ESPN to change from using 'NWU' any time soon.  

As long as they continue to televise most or all of our games, they can 
put whatever they want in the scoreboard bug on ESPN!

I was able to watch all but one Northwestern game this year, there were 
FOUR Nebraska games that were either not televised at all or were only 
available through PPV at a price I considered WAY too high for games that 
turned out to be rather uninteresting.
--
Mike Nolan

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 09:57:38 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 22 10:10:26 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever! (fwd)
Message-ID: <15d.5d0cb527.30b499f2@aol.com>

Anybody know someone who is looking for a topic for their thesis in 
Marketing/Brand awareness ?  Have them report back to us and we can cease the 
discussion for now.

Harry 
From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Nov 22 10:27:53 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Nov 22 10:33:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something ! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511221506.jAMF667H026540@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1ddb01c5ef81$b01ff070$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

Don Canham at UoM pretty much invented sports marketing in the '70s.  So I'm
not surprised that his legacy lives on in the good marketing that Michigan
does.

Some Canham's claims to fame include inventing tailgating, hiring Bo,
selling block M-branded everything, and transforming a cavernous empty
stadium to a 110K seat gold mine. 

NU (or NWU) could really use someone like that to transform our college
sports franchise.

I have never understood why a beautiful college stadium reachable by public
transportation and right in the middle of one of the largest media markets
in the country is so routinely ignored.

Jeff
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:06 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something ! (fwd)

> The Michigan site IS up-to-date
>  
> Shows the likely bowls for Michigan, links to their sites, links to 
> ticket info and alumni tour info.
>  
> We all know they can't say anything official, just a heads-up on 
> potential dates, potential sites and potential price ranges.

The Michigan Athletic Department does a MUCH BETTER JOB in promoting itself.
Considering the talent that Northwestern graduates, it does a remarkably
poor job promoting itself.  I'm not restricting that criticism to just the
Athletic Department, though they're among the worst offenders.
--
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 10:29:25 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 22 10:33:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] boys will be boys
Message-ID: <129.69db101d.30b4a165@aol.com>

The paper didn't say he was intoxicated, maybe he was drinking Fresca at  the 
UBar, besides a lot of houses look alike in Skokie and most of the  streets 
start with the letter K, perfectly understandable. 
This is not a Maurice Clarett type of incident. 
I hope this does not harm his chances for the Bednarik  award.
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 22 11:33:16 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 22 11:32:49 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something ! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <1ddb01c5ef81$b01ff070$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <000501c5ef8a$d2b0bad0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

1. folks want to drive up to stadii these days
2. you can't tailgate out of an L train
3. most important - fans want to see their team win. That hasn't been the rule
until lately
4. You have to get in the habit when you're a student - the primary alums who
might go to games didn't go as undergrads because the team was so bad.

Check out who comes now - I bet they went to NU games as students,

rsl

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> 
> I have never understood why a beautiful college stadium 
> reachable by public transportation and right in the middle of 
> one of the largest media markets in the country is so 
> routinely ignored.
> 
> Jeff
>  
>

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Nov 22 11:58:54 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Nov 22 12:04:34 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something ! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <000501c5ef8a$d2b0bad0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <1e2201c5ef8e$67623110$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

 
I realize that the driving experience and tailgating are all tied up
together.  UoM does a great job of getting a lot of cars in an out of AA on
game days, but even then it can take a couple of hours after the game for
the traffic to clear.

The majority of people who attend the games don't tailgate anyway.  For
them, the nice walk from the L is fun.  I've done it a number of times.  

I think that you have hit the nail on the head with #3 though.  It is part
of our ongoing discussion of winning tradition. I don't know if Canham would
have had the success that he did without Bo. 

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:33 PM
To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something ! (fwd)

1. folks want to drive up to stadii these days 2. you can't tailgate out of
an L train 3. most important - fans want to see their team win. That hasn't
been the rule until lately 4. You have to get in the habit when you're a
student - the primary alums who might go to games didn't go as undergrads
because the team was so bad.

Check out who comes now - I bet they went to NU games as students,

rsl

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> 
> I have never understood why a beautiful college stadium reachable by 
> public transportation and right in the middle of one of the largest 
> media markets in the country is so routinely ignored.
> 
> Jeff
>  
>

From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Tue Nov 22 12:00:02 2005
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris (NU Sports))
Date: Tue Nov 22 12:07:07 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] No football bias here
In-Reply-To: <1d7c01c5ef70$dd8a2140$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c5ef8e$9180d0a0$7000a8c0@Audubon.local>

I read the article and I don't see any football bias here and I would have
handled this incident for any person in the same way.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:27 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] boys will be boys

If we read a similar article published in the Columbus Dispatch about AJ
Hawk, would we be as generous in saying boys will be boys?  How would we be
characterizing Tressel and OSU if they also concluded that Hawk should still
play?

I agree with the article and the decision.  It was a stupid thing to do and
McGarigle took full responsibility.  But he has been charged with a crime
(albeit a misdemeanors) and will likely plead guilty.  So I have to admit
that I am not completely comfortable with the fact that he is still playing.
Wasn't there a somewhat similar incident of attempted house invasion a year
or so ago where a couple of non-starters got kicked off the team?  If I
recall the incident, it was also alcohol related and involved a player
attempting to break into an apartment in Evanston because he thought it was
his own.  Doesn't this smack of the same football bias that we
self-righteously accuse others of?

Jeff




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Behalf Of MHRJGScott@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:08 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] boys will be boys

_http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-051121nubrite,1,7224924.story?coll=
ch
i-sportsnew-hed_
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-051121nubrite,1,7224924.story?coll=
chi-sportsnew-hed) 
 
Says he will not be suspended for the bowl game.
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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Tue Nov 22 13:01:43 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Tue Nov 22 13:02:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] BAZ = OPOY, TYRELL = FOY
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511221254120.4934@localhost>

http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112205aab.html
<http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112205aab.html>

All-Conference:

Baz = Media Offensive Player of the Year (split with Michael Robinson)
Tyrell = Coaches' and Media Freshman of the Year


Offensive:

Baz = Coaches' and Media First Team All-Big Ten Quarterback!
Tyrell = Coaches' and Media Second Team All-Big Ten Running Back!
Philmore = Coaches' Second Team
Strief = Coaches' and Media Second Team

Defensive:

Cofield = Coaches' Second Team
McTackler = Coaches' and Media Second Team
Cole = Media Second Team

Honorable Mentions:

Coaches': Cole, Henderson
Media: Cofield, Henderson, Herbert

Wow, the 'Cats had a spectacular day.  Here's hoping the Trib gives 
Basanez that Silver Football he deserves.

Go 'Cats!!! :)

Jonathan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 13:19:39 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 22 13:19:41 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB
Message-ID: <200511221919.jAMJJdUC029169@romaine.tssi.com>

We went from Zak to Baz, so using under a letter rotation scheme the 
next NU QB should have the nickname 'Daz'.  Of course, the QB after
that would have to be 'Fad'.   
--
Mike Nolan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 13:29:04 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 22 13:33:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB
Message-ID: <27b.1d1f83.30b4cb80@aol.com>

Shouldn't it be Daq, which sounds too much like dawq, or Dar which is an  old 
pirate expression.
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 13:43:12 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 22 13:43:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB 
Message-ID: <200511221943.jAMJhCXd029493@romaine.tssi.com>

I think I messed it up:

Zak -> Baz

Shift the Z two spaces to the right and rotate the Z by 2 spaces to B.

So, shift the B 2 spaces to the right and rotate the B up by 2 to D
which results in 'Dab'.
--
Mike Nolan



From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Nov 22 13:44:06 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Nov 22 14:20:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB
In-Reply-To: <200511221919.jAMJJdUC029169@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1e7d01c5ef9d$19390b80$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

Maybe they are tuples.  Zak/Baz,Bal/Cab,Cam/Bac, etc.  If they can throw and
run you can even call them Roy, I wouldn't care. <g>

Jeff
 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:20 PM
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Subject: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB

We went from Zak to Baz, so using under a letter rotation scheme the next NU
QB should have the nickname 'Daz'.  Of course, the QB after
that would have to be 'Fad'.   
--
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 22 14:29:04 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 22 14:28:26 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB
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Message-ID: <000a01c5efa3$61f71e60$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

As one close to a Roy,....

I can no longer run nor throw - stick with C.J. or Kaf[ka] or Brew?

Maybe that's why Malleo had tobecome a FB - you don't want a QB nicknamed Malo
[see your spanish dictionary]. Maybe a MLB...

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:44 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB
> 
> 
> Maybe they are tuples.  Zak/Baz,Bal/Cab,Cam/Bac, etc.  If 
> they can throw and run you can even call them Roy, I wouldn't 
> care. <g>
> 
> Jeff
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:20 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB
> 
> We went from Zak to Baz, so using under a letter rotation 
> scheme the next NU QB should have the nickname 'Daz'.  Of 
> course, the QB after
> that would have to be 'Fad'.   
> --
> Mike Nolan
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From loomis3 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 22 14:56:10 2005
From: loomis3 at sbcglobal.net (Frank F. Loomis III)
Date: Tue Nov 22 14:57:19 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Re:  Spurrier v. Walker
Message-ID: <20051122205610.36919.qmail@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Jonathan, thanks a bundle. 

 

This bowl-team selection process has my head spinning. 

 

On December 3, after UCLA's usual blood bath with Numero Uno, Southern Cal, we'll know  more about UCLA's mettle. 

 

In any case, it now appears that for us almost any choice for our bowl level would be better than a Spurrier team. I think he's a coaching genius, but evidently only in college ball. 

 

Frank Loomis 

Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote: 
> Keep your fingers crossed that we don't get South Carolina as our bowl opponent.

Luckily, as mentioned earlier on this list, if we do go to the Music
City Bowl we will not face an SEC opponent since they will not have
enough eligible teams. (The Independence Bowl will take any available
SEC team if they do not send 2 to the BCS games).

Unfortunately, if we go to the Sun Bowl, we will have a strong chance
of facing a UCLA team that has an excellent offense and a really quick
running back that could slice right through our defense. Only time
will tell who we will face where, though.

Jonathan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 14:58:45 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 22 14:58:48 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511222058.jAMKwjPX030391@romaine.tssi.com>

> Maybe they are tuples.  Zak/Baz,Bal/Cab,Cam/Bac, etc.  If they can throw and
> run you can even call them Roy, I wouldn't care. <g>

Maybe Dab as short for something like Dzabznkski?  Or do players with
last names like that only go to schools like N**** D***?  :-)
--
Mike Nolan

From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Tue Nov 22 15:01:56 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Tue Nov 22 15:03:27 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB
In-Reply-To: <000a01c5efa3$61f71e60$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <000a01c5efa3$61f71e60$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511221457070.5590@localhost>

> I can no longer run nor throw - stick with C.J. or Kaf[ka] or Brew?

If Bach?r gets it, we should just call him Bash, like Don Cheadle's 
character from Ocean's 11. ;-)
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 15:17:29 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 22 15:17:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Re:  Spurrier v. Walker (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511222117.jAMLHTjd030614@romaine.tssi.com>

> In any case, it now appears that for us almost any choice for our bowl level would be better than a Spurrier team. I think he's a coaching genius, but evidently only in college ball. 

Baloney.  If he's a genius, how come they lost to Clemson?

I've seen the 'deer in the headlights' look in Spurrier's eyes far too
many times to think he's an on-the-field genius.   

I understand the "Let's find a bowl opponent we can defeat" logic, but
I also think the team should be willing to strap it on against whatever 
team they wind up with.  
--
Mike Nolan

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Nov 22 15:17:15 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Nov 22 15:22:44 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511222058.jAMKwjPX030391@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1ed101c5efaa$1c8600b0$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

Whatever it is, I think that we have recently done much better with three
letter names versus Gavin or Nick.

Thinking about those two, NU is really dependent on having a good QB to run
this offense.  The struggles that Purdue had this year can be blamed in part
on a defense that didn't gel, but also on inexperience at the QB position.

Jeff
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:59 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Nicknaming the next NU QB (fwd)

> Maybe they are tuples.  Zak/Baz,Bal/Cab,Cam/Bac, etc.  If they can 
> throw and run you can even call them Roy, I wouldn't care. <g>

Maybe Dab as short for something like Dzabznkski?  Or do players with last
names like that only go to schools like N**** D***?  :-)
--
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From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Tue Nov 22 17:52:36 2005
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris Patterson)
Date: Tue Nov 22 18:00:11 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bowl Update from Mark Murphy/NAA  
Message-ID: <000f01c5efbf$d20bd530$7000a8c0@hawk>

FYI. I assume this was sent out to all season ticket holders.

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NORTHWESTERN WILDCATS BOWL UPDATE:

Our football team closed out the season on a high note with a 38-21 victory
over Illinois, finishing the season 7-4 overall and 5-3 in the Big Ten (tied
for third). Now that the regular season has concluded, we can focus on our
bowl possibilities. Unfortunately, at this point, the only thing that is
certain is that we will not know where we are going to play until Sunday,
December 4.

I thought it would be helpful, though, to lay out for our fans the potential
bowl options for our team. The Big Ten has relationships with seven bowls,
and finished with seven bowl-eligible teams -- Penn State, Ohio State,
Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan, Iowa and Minnesota. Penn State and Ohio
State were co-champions, but Penn State earns the automatic bid to a BCS
bowl by virtue of beating Ohio State earlier this year. Penn State will
likely play in the Fiesta or Orange Bowl, unless USC or Texas is upset and
then there is a chance Penn State might play in the Rose Bowl for the
national championship.

A key factor that will affect our bowl destination is whether Ohio State is
selected as a BCS at-large team. The conference champions of the six BCS
conferences all earn automatic berths to the four BCS bowls, and there are
two at-large spots. If Notre Dame beats Stanford, it is likely they will be
given one at-large spot. The other spot will go to either Ohio State or
Oregon. If Ohio State is selected to play in a BCS bowl (most likely the
Fiesta or Orange -- whichever one Penn State is not in), this will move all
the other Big Ten teams up one bowl.

If Ohio State does go to a BCS bowl, Wisconsin will most likely go to the
Capital One Bowl. A bowl can select a team with one less overall win, but
not two. Wisconsin is 8-3, and Northwestern, Michigan, Iowa and Minnesota
are all 7-4. The Capital One Bowl could select one of these 7-4 teams over
Wisconsin (Michigan would be the most probable), but it is not likely. This
would leave Michigan for the Outback Bowl. Michigan would be the likely
choice based on their tradition, reputation and ability to travel fans.

The next bowl to pick would be the Alamo Bowl. The Alamo will choose between
Northwestern, Iowa and Minnesota. A factor for the Alamo Bowl is who will be
the opponent from the Big XII conference. The potential Big XII opponents
are Oklahoma and Iowa State. Since Iowa and Iowa State played earlier this
year, they may not want a rematch, particularly between teams from the same
state. So, there is still a chance that the Alamo could select Northwestern,
but Iowa is probably the favorite.

This would leave the Sun Bowl to choose between Northwestern and Minnesota.
Since Minnesota has made two Sun Bowl appearances in the last five years,
and we have never been, that fact works in our favor. Other factors that
help us are the Chicago TV market (for CBS) and the fact that it is
relatively easy to get to El Paso from Chicago. Moreover, the Sun Bowl has a
relatively smaller seating capacity (just over 50,000), so the requirement
for a school to bring a large number of fans is not as big a factor. The Sun
Bowl opponent would be the Pac-10's third-place team, most likely UCLA.
Minnesota would go to the Music City (although they went there last year)
and the Motor City would have to choose a non-Big Ten team.

If Ohio State does not receive a BCS at-large bid, they will go to the
Capital One Bowl and Wisconsin would likely go to the Outback. The Alamo
would most likely pick Michigan. The Sun would then choose between
Northwestern, Iowa and Minnesota. We would still be an attractive selection
because of the reasons mentioned previously. If the Sun selects Iowa,
though, the Music City would then have to make a choice between us and
Minnesota. Given the fact that Minnesota played in the Music City Bowl in
2002 and 2004, and that Nashville is an easy destination to reach from
Chicago, we feel we'd be appealing to the Music City committee. Since the
SEC will not be able to fill its slot and send a representative to the Music
City Bowl, our opponent could come from the ACC (Maryland, North Carolina
State, Virginia or Georgia Tech).

If the Music City Bowl selects Minnesota, we would play in the Motor City
Bowl. We would play a team from the MAC, most likely one of the two teams
that play in the MAC Championship game.

I hope that this has been helpful, and not too confusing. Please continue to
check our web site, NUSports.com, for updates on our bowl status. It is an
exciting time for Northwestern athletics and the successful season is a
great tribute to our players, Randy Walker and his staff. We're looking
forward to having a strong following wherever we end up.


As information becomes available, we will update NUsports.com and our bowl
hotline at 847.467.1300. We do not anticipate a ticket limit on orders at
this time.


Additionally, game tickets will be available via the Wildcat Ticket Office
OR The Northwestern Alumni Association. Ticket prices will be the same and
within the same seating block through both channels, though tickets
purchased via the Alumni Association will NOT be allocated according to
Wildcat Priority Points (reward points assigned by the Athletic Department
for continuous years of season tickets purchasing, Wildcat Fund donations,
etc.). Seats purchased through and assigned by the Athletic Department will
be allocated according to the Wildcat Priority Point system. Tickets
purchased from the Alumni Association block will generally be assigned on a
first come, first serve basis.


Thanks for your support!


Go 'Cats,
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The Northwestern Alumni Association will offer a Bowl Tour package that
includes hotel accommodations, official NAA pre-game tailgate party tickets,
game tickets, and much more! So that we are ready as soon as the
announcement is made, the Northwestern Alumni Association is preparing Bowl
Tour packages for the following four Big Ten Conference bowl games:


Alamo Bowl in San Antonio, TX - December 28, 2005 (tailgate followed by
kick-off at 7 pm CST)
NAA Tour Package from December 26 or 27 through December 29
Game Day Package, December 28, 2005 (tailgate followed by kick-off at 7 pm
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Sun Bowl in  El Paso, TX
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Music City Bowl in  Nashville, TN
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 18:22:32 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 22 18:24:08 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bowl Update from Mark Murphy/NAA  
Message-ID: <28b.30a023.30b51048@aol.com>

A typically articulate, informative piece from Mr. Murphy, who has  impressed 
me enormously on his two visits to NYC the last 2 Summers.  We  are truly 
fortunate to have him.
 
I think we are better off in the Music City Bowl, but believe OSU will  
make--and deserves to make (Oh how it galls me to say this!) a BCS Bowl, so we  may 
end up down El Paso way.
 
Paul Levinson
From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Tue Nov 22 20:08:31 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Tue Nov 22 20:10:18 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something ! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <1ddb01c5ef81$b01ff070$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
References: <1ddb01c5ef81$b01ff070$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <4383CF1F.7030303@bellatlantic.net>

Jeff:

You just answered your own question.  Basanez should have been touted 
for the Heisman Trophy, but to my knowledge never got any kind of a 
boost.  Barnett did something of a marketing job, but that was more a 
function of his personality than anything else in my opinion.  For a 
University with a graduate business school that is renowned for its 
marketing strengths (ranked number one in that category in most business 
school surveys) Nu does an atrocious job marketing the football program 
or any other athletic program for that matter.  IN good bad or 
indifferent results, Ryan should be a capacity sell out except for the 
early games when school hasn't really started.  Admittedly we're 
competing with the ND PR bombardment and with Illinois, but those 
schools should be offset by the proximity and ease for getting to Ryan.  
Look at Wrigley Field, they virtually sell out even when the Cubs stink 
which is the case more often than not, ease of access is a major reason.

I don't think that NU's administration recognizes the amount of money 
that can be made from selling memorabilia, etc.  You have to have some 
imagination.  We have a neighbor who is a Michigan nut and you should 
see the stuff that he has.  How about a ball that plays The Victors when 
one of his bounces it or a tie that has a button you push and The 
Victors plays.  My wife went to Penn Stte and they don't have a light 
inventory of stuff either.  There's gold in them thar hills if somone 
will mine it.

John DeGroat

Jeff Beamsley wrote:

>Don Canham at UoM pretty much invented sports marketing in the '70s.  So I'm
>not surprised that his legacy lives on in the good marketing that Michigan
>does.
>
>Some Canham's claims to fame include inventing tailgating, hiring Bo,
>selling block M-branded everything, and transforming a cavernous empty
>stadium to a 110K seat gold mine. 
>
>NU (or NWU) could really use someone like that to transform our college
>sports franchise.
>
>I have never understood why a beautiful college stadium reachable by public
>transportation and right in the middle of one of the largest media markets
>in the country is so routinely ignored.
>
>Jeff
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
>Behalf Of Mike Nolan
>Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:06 AM
>To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something ! (fwd)
>
>  
>
>>The Michigan site IS up-to-date
>> 
>>Shows the likely bowls for Michigan, links to their sites, links to 
>>ticket info and alumni tour info.
>> 
>>We all know they can't say anything official, just a heads-up on 
>>potential dates, potential sites and potential price ranges.
>>    
>>
>
>The Michigan Athletic Department does a MUCH BETTER JOB in promoting itself.
>Considering the talent that Northwestern graduates, it does a remarkably
>poor job promoting itself.  I'm not restricting that criticism to just the
>Athletic Department, though they're among the worst offenders.
>--
>Mike Nolan
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 20:34:35 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 22 20:34:37 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Minor bowls are filling up
Message-ID: <200511230234.jAN2YZKu001337@romaine.tssi.com>

The crawler on ESPN2 has information on several of the minor bowls tonight,
schools like TCU and Colorado State are signing up early, I suspect in part 
because those schools/conferences don't have any BCS prospects to cause
problems with the bowl order.
--
Mike Nolan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 21:10:16 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 22 21:11:27 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Tell Us Something ! (fwd)
Message-ID: <28d.34539c.30b53798@aol.com>

Hmmm, I may have commented on the fact that our marketing sucks in a post  on 
"Ryan field fans" but no matter. Yes, as a so called Kellogg marketing guru  
(and philosophy CAS '71) who was told by Phil Kotler that I was pretty  smart 
(such modesty) let me say that our marketing message is either  muddled or non 
existent. We seem to market ourselves as a lousy team that has  made good.  
That is a negative marketing message that recalls bad stuff.  Never good. It is 
like Tylenol saying "no longer poison." Maybe better  "stops headaches."
We should make the case that we are the shining beacon of academia in the  
big ten, hell in the top 25 this year, and pound that message.  It may not  fill 
Dyche stadium, another dumb marketing move to rename the traditional  stadium 
without tearing it down and building a 70,000 seat on the lakefill with  
Pat's and the other 2 billion $ raised in the latest money grab. I do not  have 
all the answers but this season and indeed the last 10 years should get the  
"loser" stigma off our back and bring in the fans.  Good Ganesha, look at  the 
Cubs.
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 21:17:04 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 22 21:21:04 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Minor bowls are filling up
Message-ID: <6.520e80f6.30b53930@aol.com>

The poinsettia bowl? Woof, can we turn down El Paso for Nashville or is  that 
bad form?
From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Tue Nov 22 21:21:49 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Tue Nov 22 21:23:02 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. NW or NWU or whatever! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511221553.jAMFr1Ig027148@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200511221553.jAMFr1Ig027148@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <4383E04D.6030507@insightbb.com>

I agree with Mike wholeheartedly and frankly am amazed that there has 
been this much traffic over what to call ourselves on ESPN.  Just be 
glad we're on.  Like Mike, I saw all but one game and saw all Louisville 
games but then UofL is also an ESPN favorite and for many of the same 
reasons: high flying offense, entertaining games, questionable secondaries.

>As long as they continue to televise most or all of our games, they can 
>put whatever they want in the scoreboard bug on ESPN!
>
>I was able to watch all but one Northwestern game this year, there were 
>FOUR Nebraska games that were either not televised at all or were only 
>available through PPV at a price I considered WAY too high for games that 
>turned out to be rather uninteresting.
>  
>


From johnl at mac.com  Tue Nov 22 22:58:19 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Tue Nov 22 22:58:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bowl Update from Mark Murphy/NAA
In-Reply-To: <28b.30a023.30b51048@aol.com>
References: <28b.30a023.30b51048@aol.com>
Message-ID: <83d092f0c4fe2434e50773a976cdd3c9@mac.com>

This is excellent analysis from Mark Murphy.

I believe our chances of winding up in the Music City Bowl are slim.  
It appears that the Sun Bowl wants to take us, as suggested in Murphy's 
article.

Also, I haven't seen it posted to the list, but the Sun Bowl appears to 
have narrowed its sights to Iowa and Northwestern.  On the Sun Bowl's 
website (http://www.sunbowl.com), they used to have Iowa, Northwestern, 
and Minnesota highlighted in the Big Ten standings.  They now just have 
Iowa and Northwestern highlighted.  It's not clear that they're 
interested in Iowa, however, as Murphy suggests in his article.  I also 
read in the Tribune today that the Sun Bowl had indicated before the 
NU-Iowa game that it intended to take the winner of that game (if 
available).  So it appears that the Sun Bowl plans to take 
Northwestern, unless we're selected by the Alamo Bowl, in which case it 
would take Iowa.

That means to me that we're either going to the Alamo Bowl (should Iowa 
State be the Big XII team in that bowl and OSU gets an at-large BCS 
bid) or otherwise the Sun Bowl.

I guess I once again won't be using those Nashville plane tickets that 
I already purchased (would be the 2d year in row that I made that 
mistake) (fully changeable with no charge, however, on Southwest).


On Nov 22, 2005, at 6:22 PM, NEONRye@aol.com wrote:

> A typically articulate, informative piece from Mr. Murphy, who has  
> impressed
> me enormously on his two visits to NYC the last 2 Summers.  We  are 
> truly
> fortunate to have him.
>
> I think we are better off in the Music City Bowl, but believe OSU will
> make--and deserves to make (Oh how it galls me to say this!) a BCS 
> Bowl, so we  may
> end up down El Paso way.
>
> Paul Levinson
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From warneradams at comcast.net  Tue Nov 22 22:59:04 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Tue Nov 22 22:59:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Initials
In-Reply-To: <200511221553.jAMFr1Ig027148@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <200511230459.jAN4xcbl025147@gw.tssi.com>

While we're discussing initials, I've never been happy that my CAS
department became WCAS one day a few years ago.  Of course, the generosity
of Mr. W may make it worth it.


From michael.vance at att.net  Tue Nov 22 23:45:56 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Tue Nov 22 23:46:48 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] BAZ = OPOY, TYRELL = FOY
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511221254120.4934@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051123004010.044605b8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

OK, how the heck can the coaches vote Baz to First Team QB and put Robinson 
at Second Team QB and then turn around the give Robinson Offensive 
POY?  Shouldn't the POY be someone from the First Team, by definition?

-Michael

At 11/22/2005 02:01 PM, Jonathan Michael Hawkins wrote:
>http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112205aab.html
><http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112205aab.html>
>
>All-Conference:
>
>Baz = Media Offensive Player of the Year (split with Michael Robinson)
>Tyrell = Coaches' and Media Freshman of the Year
>
>
>Offensive:
>
>Baz = Coaches' and Media First Team All-Big Ten Quarterback!
>Tyrell = Coaches' and Media Second Team All-Big Ten Running Back!
>Philmore = Coaches' Second Team
>Strief = Coaches' and Media Second Team
>
>Defensive:
>
>Cofield = Coaches' Second Team
>McTackler = Coaches' and Media Second Team
>Cole = Media Second Team
>
>Honorable Mentions:
>
>Coaches': Cole, Henderson
>Media: Cofield, Henderson, Herbert
>
>Wow, the 'Cats had a spectacular day.  Here's hoping the Trib gives 
>Basanez that Silver Football he deserves.
>
>Go 'Cats!!! :)
>
>Jonathan
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 23 00:01:50 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov 23 00:03:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] BAZ = OPOY, TYRELL = FOY
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511221254120.4934@localhost>
Message-ID: <20051123060150.70599.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com>

> All-Conference:
> 
> Baz = Media Offensive Player of the Year (split with
> Michael Robinson)
> Tyrell = Coaches' and Media Freshman of the Year

Well, Tyrell was expected but Baz is a pleasant
surprise. I expected it all to go to Robinson (who
deserves it as well), but glad to see Baz get a share
as well. Seems only fair!

> Offensive:
> 
> Baz = Coaches' and Media First Team All-Big Ten
> Quarterback!
> Tyrell = Coaches' and Media Second Team All-Big Ten
> Running Back!

Second team???!!! Well, I guess, but still!

> Philmore = Coaches' Second Team

Good to see Philmore get some recognition -- Herbert
got most of the catches and Lane came on late, but
Philmore was a big key to a lot of big plays this
year.

> McTackler = Coaches' and Media Second Team

I know the Big Ten's rich in linebackers this year,
but still thought Tim might get first team.

As for his police blotter item, it's embarassing but I
don't think it should become anything major -- seems
to be handled properly from what I read.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 23 00:07:27 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov 23 00:08:36 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bowl Update from Mark Murphy/NAA  
In-Reply-To: <28b.30a023.30b51048@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051123060727.92133.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com>

What else can you say but bravo!

Someone over there must read the list.:) I understand
why they waited with all the confusion, but with some
folks demanding info, they responded quickly and
correctly.

In any case, an excellent mailing and a thorough
explanation.

I'm as confident as ever that our athletic department
is in good hands with Mr. Murphy.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Wed Nov 23 00:55:43 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Wed Nov 23 00:56:49 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bowl Update from Mark Murphy/NAA
In-Reply-To: <20051123060727.92133.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051123060727.92133.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511230048430.6651@localhost>

> Someone over there must read the list.:) I understand why they waited 
> with all the confusion, but with some folks demanding info, they 
> responded quickly and correctly.

I actually sent Mr. Murphy and Shon Morris an email requesting more info, 
initially Morris and Murphy both wrote back with something like "We won't 
know anything until Dec 3 or 4 so we can't really say anything."  I'm glad 
to see they rethought their position.  The email served to not only keep 
enthusiasm high over the coming holiday weekend, but also (unintentionally 
or intentionally) remind our season ticket holders that Murphy is the real 
deal.

> In any case, an excellent mailing and a thorough explanation.

Agreed, 110%.

> I'm as confident as ever that our athletic department is in good hands 
> with Mr. Murphy.

I saw Mark at the basketball game as we were singing Go U and the Alma 
Mater - a few of us always stick around for that and Carmody's postgame 
interview (brilliant by the staff to put it on loudspeakers inside the 
arena for all to hear).  He stopped by the few of us still remaining near 
the band and had some kind words.  We loved it.

In a side note, Rex Walters got booed during the end of the game and again 
as he was walking out of the stadium.  Heh.

Jonathan

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 08:29:04 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Nov 23 08:30:13 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bowl Update from Mark Murphy/NAA
In-Reply-To: <000f01c5efbf$d20bd530$7000a8c0@hawk>
References: <000f01c5efbf$d20bd530$7000a8c0@hawk>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511230629s1a4fef1cl908d3ed1a252c87f@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting to note that if Wisconsin wins at Hawaii this weekend
(which is not a particularly easy task, especially with a suspect
defense), they will pick up their 9th win, which I believe would force
them to be picked over Michigan or any of the other 7 win teams.  Mark
Murphy did not mention this in his e-mail, but he did say they would
probably be picked above Michigan.

I think he gave a good, complete explanation of the bowl scenario and
that should be commended.  That was a rather lengthy message, and
along with the bowl situation they have basketball to deal with now,
so it is nice that they got the message out before the long weekend.

Go 'Cats!
Jonathan

On 11/22/05, Chris Patterson <cp2m@enterprisesw.com> wrote:
> FYI. I assume this was sent out to all season ticket holders.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wildcat Marketing [mailto:Northwestern@mypacmailreply.paciolan.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:11 PM
> Subject: Bowl Update from Mark Murphy/NAA
>
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>
> NORTHWESTERN WILDCATS BOWL UPDATE:
>
> Our football team closed out the season on a high note with a 38-21 victory
> over Illinois, finishing the season 7-4 overall and 5-3 in the Big Ten (tied
> for third). Now that the regular season has concluded, we can focus on our
> bowl possibilities. Unfortunately, at this point, the only thing that is
> certain is that we will not know where we are going to play until Sunday,
> December 4.
>
> I thought it would be helpful, though, to lay out for our fans the potential
> bowl options for our team. The Big Ten has relationships with seven bowls,
> and finished with seven bowl-eligible teams -- Penn State, Ohio State,
> Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan, Iowa and Minnesota. Penn State and Ohio
> State were co-champions, but Penn State earns the automatic bid to a BCS
> bowl by virtue of beating Ohio State earlier this year. Penn State will
> likely play in the Fiesta or Orange Bowl, unless USC or Texas is upset and
> then there is a chance Penn State might play in the Rose Bowl for the
> national championship.
>
> A key factor that will affect our bowl destination is whether Ohio State is
> selected as a BCS at-large team. The conference champions of the six BCS
> conferences all earn automatic berths to the four BCS bowls, and there are
> two at-large spots. If Notre Dame beats Stanford, it is likely they will be
> given one at-large spot. The other spot will go to either Ohio State or
> Oregon. If Ohio State is selected to play in a BCS bowl (most likely the
> Fiesta or Orange -- whichever one Penn State is not in), this will move all
> the other Big Ten teams up one bowl.
>
> If Ohio State does go to a BCS bowl, Wisconsin will most likely go to the
> Capital One Bowl. A bowl can select a team with one less overall win, but
> not two. Wisconsin is 8-3, and Northwestern, Michigan, Iowa and Minnesota
> are all 7-4. The Capital One Bowl could select one of these 7-4 teams over
> Wisconsin (Michigan would be the most probable), but it is not likely. This
> would leave Michigan for the Outback Bowl. Michigan would be the likely
> choice based on their tradition, reputation and ability to travel fans.
>
> The next bowl to pick would be the Alamo Bowl. The Alamo will choose between
> Northwestern, Iowa and Minnesota. A factor for the Alamo Bowl is who will be
> the opponent from the Big XII conference. The potential Big XII opponents
> are Oklahoma and Iowa State. Since Iowa and Iowa State played earlier this
> year, they may not want a rematch, particularly between teams from the same
> state. So, there is still a chance that the Alamo could select Northwestern,
> but Iowa is probably the favorite.
>
> This would leave the Sun Bowl to choose between Northwestern and Minnesota.
> Since Minnesota has made two Sun Bowl appearances in the last five years,
> and we have never been, that fact works in our favor. Other factors that
> help us are the Chicago TV market (for CBS) and the fact that it is
> relatively easy to get to El Paso from Chicago. Moreover, the Sun Bowl has a
> relatively smaller seating capacity (just over 50,000), so the requirement
> for a school to bring a large number of fans is not as big a factor. The Sun
> Bowl opponent would be the Pac-10's third-place team, most likely UCLA.
> Minnesota would go to the Music City (although they went there last year)
> and the Motor City would have to choose a non-Big Ten team.
>
> If Ohio State does not receive a BCS at-large bid, they will go to the
> Capital One Bowl and Wisconsin would likely go to the Outback. The Alamo
> would most likely pick Michigan. The Sun would then choose between
> Northwestern, Iowa and Minnesota. We would still be an attractive selection
> because of the reasons mentioned previously. If the Sun selects Iowa,
> though, the Music City would then have to make a choice between us and
> Minnesota. Given the fact that Minnesota played in the Music City Bowl in
> 2002 and 2004, and that Nashville is an easy destination to reach from
> Chicago, we feel we'd be appealing to the Music City committee. Since the
> SEC will not be able to fill its slot and send a representative to the Music
> City Bowl, our opponent could come from the ACC (Maryland, North Carolina
> State, Virginia or Georgia Tech).
>
> If the Music City Bowl selects Minnesota, we would play in the Motor City
> Bowl. We would play a team from the MAC, most likely one of the two teams
> that play in the MAC Championship game.
>
> I hope that this has been helpful, and not too confusing. Please continue to
> check our web site, NUSports.com, for updates on our bowl status. It is an
> exciting time for Northwestern athletics and the successful season is a
> great tribute to our players, Randy Walker and his staff. We're looking
> forward to having a strong following wherever we end up.
>
>
> As information becomes available, we will update NUsports.com and our bowl
> hotline at 847.467.1300. We do not anticipate a ticket limit on orders at
> this time.
>
>
> Additionally, game tickets will be available via the Wildcat Ticket Office
> OR The Northwestern Alumni Association. Ticket prices will be the same and
> within the same seating block through both channels, though tickets
> purchased via the Alumni Association will NOT be allocated according to
> Wildcat Priority Points (reward points assigned by the Athletic Department
> for continuous years of season tickets purchasing, Wildcat Fund donations,
> etc.). Seats purchased through and assigned by the Athletic Department will
> be allocated according to the Wildcat Priority Point system. Tickets
> purchased from the Alumni Association block will generally be assigned on a
> first come, first serve basis.
>
>
> Thanks for your support!
>
>
> Go 'Cats,
> Mark Murphy
>
>
> NORTHWESTERN ALUMNI ASSOCIATION BOWL UPDATE:
>
>
> The Northwestern Alumni Association will offer a Bowl Tour package that
> includes hotel accommodations, official NAA pre-game tailgate party tickets,
> game tickets, and much more! So that we are ready as soon as the
> announcement is made, the Northwestern Alumni Association is preparing Bowl
> Tour packages for the following four Big Ten Conference bowl games:
>
>
> Alamo Bowl in San Antonio, TX - December 28, 2005 (tailgate followed by
> kick-off at 7 pm CST)
> NAA Tour Package from December 26 or 27 through December 29
> Game Day Package, December 28, 2005 (tailgate followed by kick-off at 7 pm
> CST)
>
> Sun Bowl in  El Paso, TX
> NAA Tour Package from December 28 through December 30
> Game Day Package, December 30, 2005 (tailgate followed by kick-off at 11 am
> MST)
>
> Music City Bowl in  Nashville, TN
> NAA Tour Package from December 29 through December 31
> Game Day Package, December 30, 2005 (tailgate followed by kick-off at 11 am
> CST)
>
> Motor City Bowl in Detroit, MI
> Game Day Package only, December 26, 2005 (tailgate followed by kick-off at 4
> pm EST)
>
>
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From cyrilku at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 23 08:31:29 2005
From: cyrilku at yahoo.com (Cyril S. Ku)
Date: Wed Nov 23 08:32:40 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Baz is POY by Mark Beech (SI.com)
In-Reply-To: <006001c5ef24$db8d2a50$c0d7b043@Louie>
Message-ID: <20051123143129.11202.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>

I don't think this has been posted yet:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/mark_beech/11/22/inside.fbc/index.html

GO CATS!

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 23 09:15:18 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 23 09:14:37 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Baz is POY by Mark Beech (SI.com)
In-Reply-To: <20051123143129.11202.qmail@web53307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002301c5f040$b6c78770$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Naw, the Digest is late again today, while I update the player pages on
Scout.com

NU had several 2nd team, and honorable mention guys - Cofield was one DL by the
coaches, McGarigle was 2nd team at LB - Strief too.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Cyril S. Ku
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:31 AM
> To: Louie Vaccher; Mike Nolan; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Baz is POY by Mark Beech (SI.com)
> 
> 
> I don't think this has been posted yet:
> 
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/mark_beech/11/22
/inside.fbc/index.html

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From michael.vance at att.net  Wed Nov 23 09:52:37 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Wed Nov 23 09:53:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bowl Update from Mark Murphy/NAA  
In-Reply-To: <000f01c5efbf$d20bd530$7000a8c0@hawk>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20051123104659.03e66dd0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

I'm curious what mailing list they did use for the Mark Murphy mailing.  It 
wasn't season ticket holders (I get my renewal notices by e-mail every 
year), the Alumni Travel list (I got that e-mail), the nusports.com list, 
or the cstv.com list (I get those).

Based on the "From" address being paciolan.com, it would look like season 
ticket holders, but ifit was, there's something wrong with their list.  I 
checked my spam filter and it didn't catch it.

Any other season ticket holders not get it?

-Michael

At 11/22/2005 06:52 PM, Chris Patterson wrote:
>FYI. I assume this was sent out to all season ticket holders.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wildcat Marketing [mailto:Northwestern@mypacmailreply.paciolan.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:11 PM
>Subject: Bowl Update from Mark Murphy/NAA
>
>
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>Northwestern University Athletic Department
>
>NORTHWESTERN WILDCATS BOWL UPDATE:
>
>Our football team closed out the season on a high note with a 38-21 victory
>over Illinois, finishing the season 7-4 overall and 5-3 in the Big Ten (tied
>for third). Now that the regular season has concluded, we can focus on our
>bowl possibilities. Unfortunately, at this point, the only thing that is
>certain is that we will not know where we are going to play until Sunday,
>December 4.
>
>I thought it would be helpful, though, to lay out for our fans the potential
>bowl options for our team. The Big Ten has relationships with seven bowls,
>and finished with seven bowl-eligible teams -- Penn State, Ohio State,
>Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan, Iowa and Minnesota. Penn State and Ohio
>State were co-champions, but Penn State earns the automatic bid to a BCS
>bowl by virtue of beating Ohio State earlier this year. Penn State will
>likely play in the Fiesta or Orange Bowl, unless USC or Texas is upset and
>then there is a chance Penn State might play in the Rose Bowl for the
>national championship.
>
>A key factor that will affect our bowl destination is whether Ohio State is
>selected as a BCS at-large team. The conference champions of the six BCS
>conferences all earn automatic berths to the four BCS bowls, and there are
>two at-large spots. If Notre Dame beats Stanford, it is likely they will be
>given one at-large spot. The other spot will go to either Ohio State or
>Oregon. If Ohio State is selected to play in a BCS bowl (most likely the
>Fiesta or Orange -- whichever one Penn State is not in), this will move all
>the other Big Ten teams up one bowl.
>
>If Ohio State does go to a BCS bowl, Wisconsin will most likely go to the
>Capital One Bowl. A bowl can select a team with one less overall win, but
>not two. Wisconsin is 8-3, and Northwestern, Michigan, Iowa and Minnesota
>are all 7-4. The Capital One Bowl could select one of these 7-4 teams over
>Wisconsin (Michigan would be the most probable), but it is not likely. This
>would leave Michigan for the Outback Bowl. Michigan would be the likely
>choice based on their tradition, reputation and ability to travel fans.
>
>The next bowl to pick would be the Alamo Bowl. The Alamo will choose between
>Northwestern, Iowa and Minnesota. A factor for the Alamo Bowl is who will be
>the opponent from the Big XII conference. The potential Big XII opponents
>are Oklahoma and Iowa State. Since Iowa and Iowa State played earlier this
>year, they may not want a rematch, particularly between teams from the same
>state. So, there is still a chance that the Alamo could select Northwestern,
>but Iowa is probably the favorite.
>
>This would leave the Sun Bowl to choose between Northwestern and Minnesota.
>Since Minnesota has made two Sun Bowl appearances in the last five years,
>and we have never been, that fact works in our favor. Other factors that
>help us are the Chicago TV market (for CBS) and the fact that it is
>relatively easy to get to El Paso from Chicago. Moreover, the Sun Bowl has a
>relatively smaller seating capacity (just over 50,000), so the requirement
>for a school to bring a large number of fans is not as big a factor. The Sun
>Bowl opponent would be the Pac-10's third-place team, most likely UCLA.
>Minnesota would go to the Music City (although they went there last year)
>and the Motor City would have to choose a non-Big Ten team.
>
>If Ohio State does not receive a BCS at-large bid, they will go to the
>Capital One Bowl and Wisconsin would likely go to the Outback. The Alamo
>would most likely pick Michigan. The Sun would then choose between
>Northwestern, Iowa and Minnesota. We would still be an attractive selection
>because of the reasons mentioned previously. If the Sun selects Iowa,
>though, the Music City would then have to make a choice between us and
>Minnesota. Given the fact that Minnesota played in the Music City Bowl in
>2002 and 2004, and that Nashville is an easy destination to reach from
>Chicago, we feel we'd be appealing to the Music City committee. Since the
>SEC will not be able to fill its slot and send a representative to the Music
>City Bowl, our opponent could come from the ACC (Maryland, North Carolina
>State, Virginia or Georgia Tech).
>
>If the Music City Bowl selects Minnesota, we would play in the Motor City
>Bowl. We would play a team from the MAC, most likely one of the two teams
>that play in the MAC Championship game.
>
>I hope that this has been helpful, and not too confusing. Please continue to
>check our web site, NUSports.com, for updates on our bowl status. It is an
>exciting time for Northwestern athletics and the successful season is a
>great tribute to our players, Randy Walker and his staff. We're looking
>forward to having a strong following wherever we end up.
>
>
>As information becomes available, we will update NUsports.com and our bowl
>hotline at 847.467.1300. We do not anticipate a ticket limit on orders at
>this time.
>
>
>Additionally, game tickets will be available via the Wildcat Ticket Office
>OR The Northwestern Alumni Association. Ticket prices will be the same and
>within the same seating block through both channels, though tickets
>purchased via the Alumni Association will NOT be allocated according to
>Wildcat Priority Points (reward points assigned by the Athletic Department
>for continuous years of season tickets purchasing, Wildcat Fund donations,
>etc.). Seats purchased through and assigned by the Athletic Department will
>be allocated according to the Wildcat Priority Point system. Tickets
>purchased from the Alumni Association block will generally be assigned on a
>first come, first serve basis.
>
>
>Thanks for your support!
>
>
>Go 'Cats,
>Mark Murphy
>
>
>NORTHWESTERN ALUMNI ASSOCIATION BOWL UPDATE:
>
>
>The Northwestern Alumni Association will offer a Bowl Tour package that
>includes hotel accommodations, official NAA pre-game tailgate party tickets,
>game tickets, and much more! So that we are ready as soon as the
>announcement is made, the Northwestern Alumni Association is preparing Bowl
>Tour packages for the following four Big Ten Conference bowl games:
>
>
>Alamo Bowl in San Antonio, TX - December 28, 2005 (tailgate followed by
>kick-off at 7 pm CST)
>NAA Tour Package from December 26 or 27 through December 29
>Game Day Package, December 28, 2005 (tailgate followed by kick-off at 7 pm
>CST)
>
>Sun Bowl in  El Paso, TX
>NAA Tour Package from December 28 through December 30
>Game Day Package, December 30, 2005 (tailgate followed by kick-off at 11 am
>MST)
>
>Music City Bowl in  Nashville, TN
>NAA Tour Package from December 29 through December 31
>Game Day Package, December 30, 2005 (tailgate followed by kick-off at 11 am
>CST)
>
>Motor City Bowl in Detroit, MI
>Game Day Package only, December 26, 2005 (tailgate followed by kick-off at 4
>pm EST)
>
>
>Please note: Regardless of whether you choose to purchase the entire Bowl
>Tour package, please purchase your tickets through the Northwestern Alumni
>Association or the Wildcat Ticket Office. Buying your tickets through
>Northwestern Alumni Association-and other Northwestern offices-shows future
>bowl selection committees how much support Northwestern has. This is really
>the only way we can legitimately gauge the number of fans that travel to our
>bowl sites, and it helps us build a track record with the various bowl
>committees. Your participation does make a difference!
>
>
>Call the Northwestern Alumni Association at 1-847-491-7200 or e-mail us at
>alumnitravel@alumni.northwestern.edu
>[http://link.paciolan.com/index.cfm?n2014s45c23519t45e24250o114] with
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>as we learn more.
>
>
>
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Nov 23 09:54:57 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 23 09:58:56 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd: Dear Mr. Fox
Message-ID: <21f.39542b3.30b5ead1@aol.com>


From szeller at comcast.net  Wed Nov 23 10:03:03 2005
From: szeller at comcast.net (szeller@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Nov 23 10:03:48 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Initials
Message-ID: <112320051603.1205.438492B7000AAB5A000004B522007456729D0A04040A969C@comcast.net>

You feel bad? How about our nice NU Medical School, NUMS, now being called "Feinberg"?

Scott Zeller
Med '86

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> While we're discussing initials, I've never been happy that my CAS 
> department became WCAS one day a few years ago. Of course, the generosity 
> of Mr. W may make it worth it. 
> 
> 
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Nov 23 10:12:30 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 23 10:16:40 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd: Dear Mr. Fox -
Message-ID: <2b6.5ad620.30b5eeee@aol.com>

 
Don't know why it didn't forward the first time.
 
In a message dated 11/23/2005 10:53:03 AM US Eastern Standard Time,  
derrickf@alamobowl.com writes:

 
John, 
The Cats are  definitely in our mix and we enjoyed hosting them in  2000. 
 
Derrick  Fox
President / CEO
MasterCard Alamo  Bowl
100 Montana Street, Suite  3D01
San Antonio, Texas  78203
210.226.2695
210.704.6380  fax
derrickf@alamobowl.com
www.alamobowl.com  
 
  
____________________________________
 
From:  MHRJGScott@aol.com [mailto:MHRJGScott@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:26  PM
To:  derrickf@alamobowl.com
Cc:  BSchooler@aol.com
Subject:  Dear Mr. Fox
As a loyal  Northwestern football fan let me assure you that I and all our 
Wildcat fans  from Florida would love to visit San Antonio if you will  invite 
Northwestern to the Alamo Bowl.  My friends on the Citrus bowl  committee tell 
me that Northwestern brought 30,000 fans to Orlando in 1997 and I  would 
expect the same for great city like yours if we are invited. Thanks for  your 
consideration. 
John G  Scott 





From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Nov 23 10:28:11 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Nov 23 10:53:48 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Initials
In-Reply-To: <112320051603.1205.438492B7000AAB5A000004B522007456729D0A04040A969C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <21d001c5f04a$e588ef90$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

That's pretty good.

I guess you should be glad you didn't go to Boston University Medical School
or better yet, Boston University Nursing School.

Jeff
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of szeller@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:03 AM
To: warneradams; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Initials

You feel bad? How about our nice NU Medical School, NUMS, now being called
"Feinberg"?

Scott Zeller
Med '86

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> While we're discussing initials, I've never been happy that my CAS 
> department became WCAS one day a few years ago. Of course, the 
> generosity of Mr. W may make it worth it.
> 
> 
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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Wed Nov 23 11:18:46 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Wed Nov 23 11:20:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Initials
In-Reply-To: <21d001c5f04a$e588ef90$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
References: <21d001c5f04a$e588ef90$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511231116300.7830@localhost>

My experience in the Northwestern University Marching Band was a great 
one, although sometimes a bit cold.  I'm pretty happy I didn't end up 
being in the Duke University Marching Band, though.  Rehearsing all those 
hours in the warm weather down there might've addled my mind.

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Jeff Beamsley wrote:

> That's pretty good.
>
> I guess you should be glad you didn't go to Boston University Medical School
> or better yet, Boston University Nursing School.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of szeller@comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:03 AM
> To: warneradams; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Initials
>
> You feel bad? How about our nice NU Medical School, NUMS, now being called
> "Feinberg"?
>
> Scott Zeller
> Med '86
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
>> While we're discussing initials, I've never been happy that my CAS
>> department became WCAS one day a few years ago. Of course, the
>> generosity of Mr. W may make it worth it.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 23 11:52:11 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 23 11:51:33 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/23
Message-ID: <000001c5f056$a1c89ce0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
for Purple Reign
& the NU Sports List

Thanksgiving Eve Edition

Football Bowling and big 10 Awards, Basketball looking ahead to DePaul and
others,


        All the News that Fits We Link
          Your Index to News about
     Northwestern University Athletics

BASKETBALL

     Men:
     BKB Pregame Intel: Northwestern Wildcats
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/470345.html 
     Random Thoughts on Sangarin, etc...
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/470418.html 

     Next Up: @ DePaul Blue Demons  [11/26]
     Clarke, Heard step  into productive roles
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/depaul.asp?id=123631 

     @ Virginia [11/30]

     Other Big 10 Basketball News
     That's today folks
     2006 Big Ten Men's and Women's Basketball Tournament Tickets on Sale
Starting Nov. 23
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112105aaa.html 
     Illini leave foe at starting line
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051122illini,1,5582150
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     Is Gonzaga that good?
     Spartans fall short in frantic triple-OT duel with Gonzaga
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cage23.html 
     Two Bradley players hit hard by NCAA suspensions
      http://www.nwherald.com/SportsSection/college/325910215387482.php 
     Women
     Northwestern Falls at Missouri, 87-64
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/112205aaa.html 

FOOTBALL

     The bowl situation x2
     Northwestern Wildcat Bowl Update
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112205aac.html 
     + Murphy's Mark: The Latest Bowl Update
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/genrel/112205aac.html 

     Post Season Honors:
     Beech: Time to hand out some end-of-the-year accolades
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/mark_beech/11/22/inside.fbc/index.
html 
     + Big Ten Announces 2005 Football All-Conference Teams And Individual
Honors
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112205aab.html 
     + Brett Basanez Tabbed First-Team All-Big Ten Quarterback, Offensive Player
of the Year
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112205aad.html 
     + Cats' QB shares Big Ten award
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051122bigtenawards,1,6
245772.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Hanley: Parity plays big role in '05 season
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051122hanleybigten,1,7
687563.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Big honor for NU's Basanez
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=124939 

     McGarigle apologizes for his 'poor judgment'
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=124896 

     SportsXchange: Inside Slant
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=InsideSlant 
     + Notes & Quotes
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=NotesAndQuotes 
     + Strategy and Personnel
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=StrategyAndPersonn
el 

     GoUPurple Trivia: an account of the 'Cats in a bowl game?
      http://hailtopurple.com/features/triv5k23.html 
     + 7-4 Northwestern here on Dec. 30.
      http://hailtopurple.com/cde/bowls.html 

     Miscellaneous Football News:
     Nowhere to go but up for Illini, Zook
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-zook23.html 
     USC and Texas Continue to Hold Top Two Spots in the Harris Interactive
College Football Poll
 
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/newsletters/bcsnews/BCS_Nov_20_2005.pdf 
     + 2005 NCAA ratings by team
      http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt05.htm 

Recruiting

     Early commitment takes on new meaning
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cully23.html 

SWIMMING

     Matt Grevers Named Big Ten Swimmer of the Week
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/112205aaa.html 

ALUMNI

     Trai Essex: Bill Cowher Press Conference
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=470019 
     Mark Loretta: Padres get Cameron from Mets
 
http://sandiego.padres.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051118&content_
id=1270324&vkey=news_sd&fext=.jsp&c_id=sd 
     Joe Girardi: Marlins set to cut franchise-record payroll
 
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051122&content_
id=1271760&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla 
     + Samson: Marlins will explore relocation
 
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051122&content_
id=1271440&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla 

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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Wed Nov 23 12:41:49 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Wed Nov 23 12:42:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: The CTA's teams with no names
In-Reply-To: <d582af005c175b048385db902db4a95b@northwestern.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511231146060.7825@localhost>
	<d582af005c175b048385db902db4a95b@northwestern.edu>
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Vedran Vukusic is the third-leading scorer in the nation:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/stats/2005/scoring.html
<http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/stats/2005/scoring.html>

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 24 18:16:57 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Nov 24 18:18:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Reminder
Message-ID: <20051125001658.11646.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com>

Oops - forgot to send out my picks when I made the
week 13 slate -- anyone else who forgot still has 45
minutes before kickoff of the Backyard Brawl.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

COLLEGE
=======
Big Ten
-------
Wisconsin ------ 56
Hawaii --------- 42
C: Bucky began the year with a wild shootout - had a
midway mark scorefest in Evanston and closes with a
track meet in the Islands. NU and MSU know how
dangerous a trip to Hawaii can be, but with no Chang
and Owens, the running game of Calhoun is enough. How
many of Bo Ryan's basketball scores will top a few of
Barry's games this year?

National
--------
Pittsburgh ----- 13
West Virginia -- 38
C: The Mountaineers move closer to a BCS berth
(why?!?) while another of Notre Dame's "tough"
schedule opponents ends their season NOT headed to a
bowl.

Texas ---------- 45
Texas A&M ------ 10
C: Oh how I wish the Aggies would rally in Aggieland
for Franchione ... but no one likes the SOB and Vince
Young seems to thrive on pressure. No Hook'em choke
here ... that was before Vince.

Nebraska ------- 20
Colorado ------- 30
C: Barnett keeps racking up the North division titles
and he gets to be Texas' sacrificial lamb to the BCS
computer gods in Houston this year. Though I will say
the "dream" bowl scenario of the NU sports list that
has the Cats vs. Barnett in the Alamo Bowl is highly
unlikely, it would be a lot of fun.:)

Florida St. ---- 13
Florida -------- 17
C: Urban Meyer knows how to keep Gator fans happy -
beat the Vols, Dawgs and Noles in your first season.
Citrus here we come?

Georgia -------- 13
Georgia Tech --- 19
C: The Dawgs are limping while the Jackets are flying
high off the Cane upset -- I know UGa's dominated here
lately (and I always keep picking GaTech like Charlie
Brown - but one of these days, Lucy will forget to
pull the football for UGa), but times change.

Arkansas ------- 26
LSU ------------ 34
C: Houston Nutt throws a scare into the Bayou Bengals,
but the Tigers can head to the Georgia Dome next week
to face the Dawgs.

Arizona -------- 28
Arizona St. ---- 33
C: I'm starting to find out about the Cactus Rivalry
now that I'm a Phoenician, and it's a weird series
with a lot of upsets. I'm convinced the Devils are the
Sparty of the west (great Septembers followed by a
major collapse), but the Pac 10 needs some bowl
eligible teams and they want revenge on Stoops Jr.
from last year's upset.

Virginia ------- 10
Miami ---------- 37
C: Someone's not happy about last week's upset.

Notre Dame ----- 31
Stanford ------- 16
C: I'm torn. One one hand, I want the Irish to be
exposed as posers who have looked unimpressive (Navy,
Syracuse, etc.) against a pathetically weak schedule
and not go to the BCS ... on the other hand, I'd love
to see their dream season die in the desert with
another Fiesta Bowl pasting at the hands of OSU (this
time the *Ohio* State University) and the Big Ten. But
Stanford makes the call easy as the Cardinal have quit
on their
season. Make that yet another team on that super
"tough"
Irish schedule NOT going to a bowl!

Gobble gobble!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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From tbng at suscom.net  Thu Nov 24 19:33:31 2005
From: tbng at suscom.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Nov 24 19:33:56 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Season Report Card
References: <20051123060150.70599.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c5f160$3e893120$c102a8c0@DENNISMACHINE>

OFFENSE
QB - A  What more is there to say?  Baz may have a shot at the NFL in a West 
Coast-type offense.
RB - A-  He'll only get bigger, stronger, and smarter.  While the freshman 
came out in the Michigan and Ohio State games, something tells me those 
experiences were lessons not lost on the bright and unusually mature Mr. 
Sutton.
WR - B-  No studs here but good quality, good depth, and more speed than is 
traditional at NU.  The minus comes by virtue of way too many dropped 
passes, especially at key moments in games.
TE -  I    Not enough action to rate, but he did score a time or two
OL -  B-  Did a generally credible job on pass blocking, but Baz's 
scrambling made them look better statistically than they actually were. 
They failed to handle the Michigan and OSU defenses and were, as usual for 
NU, weak near the goal line.  Run blocking was adequate with Sutton's 
ability to find holes quickly, but they cannot move the big boys, which 
means they are not yet ranked among the big boys.  Must get bigger, 
stronger, quicker, and deeper.  Given their youth, that is a real 
possibility, and they'll grow up with Tyrell Sutton.

DEFENSE
DL -  F  Even with Barry Cofield, this was the single biggest reason we were 
among the worst defenses in the country.  A quick count reveals but 7 sacks 
the entire season by the DL (out of a miserable 11) and only 16 tackles for 
loss (out of 36).  They were no better on run defense.  Too small, too weak, 
too slow, too young, and too untalented.  Three of the four can be changed. 
The fourth can only improve through what for NU would be unprecendented 
recruiting.
LB -  B-  Good but not devistating.  McGarigle was a workhorse and will be 
missed.  Roach may be the future star, but we must hear his name more often 
next year.  What we couldn't do with an A. J. Hawk type who attends classes 
and studies hard.
DB -  C-  Less than average but an improvement over last season.  With all 
the injuries that hit them, any improvement was a miracle, especially with a 
terrible DL putting enormous pressure on them.  Still short on speed, size, 
and talent but getting better.

SPECIAL TEAMS
PK -  D  Field goals are still an adventure, and kickoffs rarely go into the 
endzone sans tailwind.  At least we made extra points.
P    -  D  No one could boom long ones or place punts inside the 20 with 
consistency.  But see below for part of the explanation.
Kick coverage - F  Our kick coverage was so dreadful that Randy Walker 
called for pooch kicks all season knowing special teams could stop no decent 
returner.  We may as well have kicked-off out of bounds every time.  (I 
didn't figure this out, but I'd be willing to bet opponents' average 
starting field position would have been little or no better if we had. 
Maybe worse!)
Kick returns - C  There were some good returns, but no one feared kicking to 
our receivers.

COACHING
B- -  Randy Walker squeezed 7 wins from a team that played almost every game 
against more talented opposition.  That should deserve an A.  Problem is, he 
has created a string of mono-faceted teams.  While the spread has given us 
an offense to be feared, he has never recruited talented kickers, special 
teams, or defenses.  We will not compete with Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn 
State until we do.  Beat them on occasion, yes, but not compete regularly.

INTANGIBLES
B+ - These guys may be short on skill compared to their opposition, but they 
have heart, brains, and balls.  They didn't get down when after big loses 
and, unlike their fans (see Iowa game), never gave up until the final gun. 
The drop to a "B" comes from all those dropped passes, crucial penalties, 
and that loss to Michigan that could (should!) have been an NU victory that 
would have hung a bright star over Evanston on national TV.

Comments
We need defense and special teams.  They killed us all year.  They killed us 
all last year, the year before, the year before that, etc.  Recruiting a few 
top quality athletes turned Penn State around.  Let's see the same for NU 
next season.

GO CATS!

From loomis3 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 24 22:02:34 2005
From: loomis3 at sbcglobal.net (Frank F. Loomis III)
Date: Thu Nov 24 22:03:43 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Season Report Card
In-Reply-To: <000601c5f160$3e893120$c102a8c0@DENNISMACHINE>
Message-ID: <20051125040234.4642.qmail@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Dennis, 

You gave us a superb analysis.

I agree with every grade you assigned and your reasons therefore except one: the B you gave RW. 

To me he rates a C- at best. That?s because the buck stops with him that our recruiting has not met the blatant deficits your analysis points out. As you say: 

"We need defense and special teams. They killed us all year. They killed us all last year, the year before, the year before that, etc."

Because of that, I say Walker is an "incomplete" coach. He?s super on some things like developing offense, winning close, exciting games.......but el stinko on defense and in doing something to cure the malady. Instead, he?s tunnel visioned on offense.

He?s had seven years to change. . .more than enough time. But he has not. The seven years prove he never will. It?s like the color of his eyes, he cannot change it. 

The above is true even considering that Walker enjoys the greatest advantages of any NU coach in history: They include: 

1. 85 scholarship limit.....levels playing field for schools with high academic standards.

2. Proposition 48.......also levels playing field for schools with high academic standards.

3. Practically all games on TV......kids now know of Northwestern (despite that Walker disdains having a coach?s show and does little attending of alumni, high school, and fan meetings to aid recruiting and attendance.)

4. Because of our ?95 Rose Bowl appearance, NU is now on the map. Gary Barnett did that. We were the talk of the sports and academic world. GB proved that excellence in academics and football can co-exist. Interest in NU skyrocketed. 

5. Walker has the best facilities that any NU Coach has ever had to offer. 

However, it must be said that if Walker?s 445(?) overall losing record is overlooked ? which it would not be at most Div I schools (he?d be gone), most people think he has done well by us. 

If that?s true, why so? Well, if we face facts, it?s because of those five factors cited above. Walker has been in the right place at the right time. 

In summation, Walker is a mediocre coach who has accomplished some good things by taking advantage of conditions never enjoyed by an NU coach. Give him the conditions GB faced in 1992, Dennis Green in 1981, Francis Peay in 1986, well, we?d be sticking a fork in him.

We do have, however, some great kids who play their hearts out for us. But do we have them because of Walker?s good recruiting? 

Nope! In the main, we have them because of the five factors cited above. 

So, again, as a head coach,Walker at best is a C-. And what we are going to see out of him in years to come? Well, most importantly no matter how many thrillers he might provide, overall he will continue to lose more games than he will win. (Unless we increase our Ws by scheduling more patsies...that seems to be coming.) Our attendance and fan interest will persist in drooping.

But we?ll accept this because we?re Northwestern. It?s Ok to lose more than we win as long as we?re now and then competitive and win some thrillers.

Walker will do that. 

Nuff said.

Thank you again, Dennis, for your fine analysis. 

Frank Loomis

P.S. Please don?t anyone continue to offer praise of Walker for graduating a high percentage of his kids. That sophistically implies that some or many of his predecessors have not. That is not true! Traditionally, all NU coaches in modern history have so done. This is a credit to the University, not to its coaches, including, of course, Mr. Walker. 


"Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@suscom.net> wrote:OFFENSE
QB - A What more is there to say? Baz may have a shot at the NFL in a West 
Coast-type offense.
RB - A- He'll only get bigger, stronger, and smarter. While the freshman 
came out in the Michigan and Ohio State games, something tells me those 
experiences were lessons not lost on the bright and unusually mature Mr. 
Sutton.
WR - B- No studs here but good quality, good depth, and more speed than is 
traditional at NU. The minus comes by virtue of way too many dropped 
passes, especially at key moments in games.
TE - I Not enough action to rate, but he did score a time or two
OL - B- Did a generally credible job on pass blocking, but Baz's 
scrambling made them look better statistically than they actually were. 
They failed to handle the Michigan and OSU defenses and were, as usual for 
NU, weak near the goal line. Run blocking was adequate with Sutton's 
ability to find holes quickly, but they cannot move the big boys, which 
means they are not yet ranked among the big boys. Must get bigger, 
stronger, quicker, and deeper. Given their youth, that is a real 
possibility, and they'll grow up with Tyrell Sutton.

DEFENSE
DL - F Even with Barry Cofield, this was the single biggest reason we were 
among the worst defenses in the country. A quick count reveals but 7 sacks 
the entire season by the DL (out of a miserable 11) and only 16 tackles for 
loss (out of 36). They were no better on run defense. Too small, too weak, 
too slow, too young, and too untalented. Three of the four can be changed. 
The fourth can only improve through what for NU would be unprecendented 
recruiting.
LB - B- Good but not devistating. McGarigle was a workhorse and will be 
missed. Roach may be the future star, but we must hear his name more often 
next year. What we couldn't do with an A. J. Hawk type who attends classes 
and studies hard.
DB - C- Less than average but an improvement over last season. With all 
the injuries that hit them, any improvement was a miracle, especially with a 
terrible DL putting enormous pressure on them. Still short on speed, size, 
and talent but getting better.

SPECIAL TEAMS
PK - D Field goals are still an adventure, and kickoffs rarely go into the 
endzone sans tailwind. At least we made extra points.
P - D No one could boom long ones or place punts inside the 20 with 
consistency. But see below for part of the explanation.
Kick coverage - F Our kick coverage was so dreadful that Randy Walker 
called for pooch kicks all season knowing special teams could stop no decent 
returner. We may as well have kicked-off out of bounds every time. (I 
didn't figure this out, but I'd be willing to bet opponents' average 
starting field position would have been little or no better if we had. 
Maybe worse!)
Kick returns - C There were some good returns, but no one feared kicking to 
our receivers.

COACHING
B- - Randy Walker squeezed 7 wins from a team that played almost every game 
against more talented opposition. That should deserve an A. Problem is, he 
has created a string of mono-faceted teams. While the spread has given us 
an offense to be feared, he has never recruited talented kickers, special 
teams, or defenses. We will not compete with Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn 
State until we do. Beat them on occasion, yes, but not compete regularly.

INTANGIBLES
B+ - These guys may be short on skill compared to their opposition, but they 
have heart, brains, and balls. They didn't get down when after big loses 
and, unlike their fans (see Iowa game), never gave up until the final gun. 
The drop to a "B" comes from all those dropped passes, crucial penalties, 
and that loss to Michigan that could (should!) have been an NU victory that 
would have hung a bright star over Evanston on national TV.

Comments
We need defense and special teams. They killed us all year. They killed us 
all last year, the year before, the year before that, etc. Recruiting a few 
top quality athletes turned Penn State around. Let's see the same for NU 
next season.

GO CATS!

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From warneradams at comcast.net  Thu Nov 24 22:17:41 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Thu Nov 24 22:18:46 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Season Report Card
In-Reply-To: <20051125040234.4642.qmail@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200511250418.jAP4Igbl014195@gw.tssi.com>

Walker's overall record is 37-45 .451 and 24-32 .429 in the Big Ten.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Frank F. Loomis III
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 10:03 PM
To: Dennis W. Brandt
Cc: NU Sports Discussion
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Cat Season Report Card


Dennis, 

You gave us a superb analysis.

I agree with every grade you assigned and your reasons therefore except one:
the B you gave RW. 

To me he rates a C- at best. That's because the buck stops with him that our
recruiting has not met the blatant deficits your analysis points out. As you
say: 

"We need defense and special teams. They killed us all year. They killed us
all last year, the year before, the year before that, etc."

Because of that, I say Walker is an "incomplete" coach. He's super on some
things like developing offense, winning close, exciting games.......but el
stinko on defense and in doing something to cure the malady. Instead, he's
tunnel visioned on offense.

He's had seven years to change. . .more than enough time. But he has not.
The seven years prove he never will. It's like the color of his eyes, he
cannot change it. 

The above is true even considering that Walker enjoys the greatest
advantages of any NU coach in history: They include: 

1. 85 scholarship limit.....levels playing field for schools with high
academic standards.

2. Proposition 48.......also levels playing field for schools with high
academic standards.

3. Practically all games on TV......kids now know of Northwestern (despite
that Walker disdains having a coach's show and does little attending of
alumni, high school, and fan meetings to aid recruiting and attendance.)

4. Because of our '95 Rose Bowl appearance, NU is now on the map. Gary
Barnett did that. We were the talk of the sports and academic world. GB
proved that excellence in academics and football can co-exist. Interest in
NU skyrocketed. 

5. Walker has the best facilities that any NU Coach has ever had to offer. 

However, it must be said that if Walker's 445(?) overall losing record is
overlooked - which it would not be at most Div I schools (he'd be gone),
most people think he has done well by us. 

If that's true, why so? Well, if we face facts, it's because of those five
factors cited above. Walker has been in the right place at the right time. 

In summation, Walker is a mediocre coach who has accomplished some good
things by taking advantage of conditions never enjoyed by an NU coach. Give
him the conditions GB faced in 1992, Dennis Green in 1981, Francis Peay in
1986, well, we'd be sticking a fork in him.

We do have, however, some great kids who play their hearts out for us. But
do we have them because of Walker's good recruiting? 

Nope! In the main, we have them because of the five factors cited above. 

So, again, as a head coach,Walker at best is a C-. And what we are going to
see out of him in years to come? Well, most importantly no matter how many
thrillers he might provide, overall he will continue to lose more games than
he will win. (Unless we increase our Ws by scheduling more patsies...that
seems to be coming.) Our attendance and fan interest will persist in
drooping.

But we'll accept this because we're Northwestern. It's Ok to lose more than
we win as long as we're now and then competitive and win some thrillers.

Walker will do that. 

Nuff said.

Thank you again, Dennis, for your fine analysis. 

Frank Loomis

P.S. Please don't anyone continue to offer praise of Walker for graduating a
high percentage of his kids. That sophistically implies that some or many of
his predecessors have not. That is not true! Traditionally, all NU coaches
in modern history have so done. This is a credit to the University, not to
its coaches, including, of course, Mr. Walker. 


"Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@suscom.net> wrote:OFFENSE
QB - A What more is there to say? Baz may have a shot at the NFL in a West 
Coast-type offense.
RB - A- He'll only get bigger, stronger, and smarter. While the freshman 
came out in the Michigan and Ohio State games, something tells me those 
experiences were lessons not lost on the bright and unusually mature Mr. 
Sutton.
WR - B- No studs here but good quality, good depth, and more speed than is 
traditional at NU. The minus comes by virtue of way too many dropped 
passes, especially at key moments in games.
TE - I Not enough action to rate, but he did score a time or two
OL - B- Did a generally credible job on pass blocking, but Baz's 
scrambling made them look better statistically than they actually were. 
They failed to handle the Michigan and OSU defenses and were, as usual for 
NU, weak near the goal line. Run blocking was adequate with Sutton's 
ability to find holes quickly, but they cannot move the big boys, which 
means they are not yet ranked among the big boys. Must get bigger, 
stronger, quicker, and deeper. Given their youth, that is a real 
possibility, and they'll grow up with Tyrell Sutton.

DEFENSE
DL - F Even with Barry Cofield, this was the single biggest reason we were 
among the worst defenses in the country. A quick count reveals but 7 sacks 
the entire season by the DL (out of a miserable 11) and only 16 tackles for 
loss (out of 36). They were no better on run defense. Too small, too weak, 
too slow, too young, and too untalented. Three of the four can be changed. 
The fourth can only improve through what for NU would be unprecendented 
recruiting.
LB - B- Good but not devistating. McGarigle was a workhorse and will be 
missed. Roach may be the future star, but we must hear his name more often 
next year. What we couldn't do with an A. J. Hawk type who attends classes 
and studies hard.
DB - C- Less than average but an improvement over last season. With all 
the injuries that hit them, any improvement was a miracle, especially with a

terrible DL putting enormous pressure on them. Still short on speed, size, 
and talent but getting better.

SPECIAL TEAMS
PK - D Field goals are still an adventure, and kickoffs rarely go into the 
endzone sans tailwind. At least we made extra points.
P - D No one could boom long ones or place punts inside the 20 with 
consistency. But see below for part of the explanation.
Kick coverage - F Our kick coverage was so dreadful that Randy Walker 
called for pooch kicks all season knowing special teams could stop no decent

returner. We may as well have kicked-off out of bounds every time. (I 
didn't figure this out, but I'd be willing to bet opponents' average 
starting field position would have been little or no better if we had. 
Maybe worse!)
Kick returns - C There were some good returns, but no one feared kicking to 
our receivers.

COACHING
B- - Randy Walker squeezed 7 wins from a team that played almost every game 
against more talented opposition. That should deserve an A. Problem is, he 
has created a string of mono-faceted teams. While the spread has given us 
an offense to be feared, he has never recruited talented kickers, special 
teams, or defenses. We will not compete with Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn 
State until we do. Beat them on occasion, yes, but not compete regularly.

INTANGIBLES
B+ - These guys may be short on skill compared to their opposition, but they

have heart, brains, and balls. They didn't get down when after big loses 
and, unlike their fans (see Iowa game), never gave up until the final gun. 
The drop to a "B" comes from all those dropped passes, crucial penalties, 
and that loss to Michigan that could (should!) have been an NU victory that 
would have hung a bright star over Evanston on national TV.

Comments
We need defense and special teams. They killed us all year. They killed us 
all last year, the year before, the year before that, etc. Recruiting a few 
top quality athletes turned Penn State around. Let's see the same for NU 
next season.

GO CATS!

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 24 22:54:59 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Nov 24 22:58:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Season Report Card
References: <20051125040234.4642.qmail@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43869923.1030201@earthlink.net>

I give Randy Walker an A.  We finished 7-4, after all the so-called 
experts and naysayers predicted us to go 2-9 at best.  Please tell me, 
in exactly which games was RW outcoached?  Only one -- Penn State.  It 
was PSU which adjusted at halftime and turned things around in the 
second half.  More often, it was RW and his coaching stafff that 
regrouped at halftime, holding three of our last four opponents 
(Michigan, Iowa and Illinois) without a touchdown in the second half, 
for example.  

You tell me, coming into the season, did you really expect us to go into 
Michigan State and beat them, 49-14 on their home field?  Did you expect 
us to beat an undefeated Wisconsin team?  Did you expect us to beat Iowa?

Randy Walker knows what this team needs.  We have a stud kicker coming 
to school next year.  Our team is basically young and will improve. 
 Yes, we'll have a new QB next year, but we'll have lots of guys 
returning.  We'll be good next year, even better in 2007.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, and thank you to Randy Walker and the 
whole team.   -- Jim B.



From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Nov 24 23:43:28 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Nov 24 23:43:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Season Report Card (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511250543.jAP5hS1i031034@romaine.tssi.com>

> I give Randy Walker an A.  We finished 7-4, after all the so-called 
> experts and naysayers predicted us to go 2-9 at best.  Please tell me, 
> in exactly which games was RW outcoached?  Only one -- Penn State.  

I can't give him anything better than a B+. but it is a strong B+.

The defense was 116th (next to last) in the NCAA (Total Defense) this year.  
They were 68th last year, 88th in 2003, 116th (next to last again) in 2002, 
107th in 2001, 89th in 2000 and 100th in 1999.

There's a pattern there.  One way or the other, the head coach has to
take responsibility for the fact that the Northwestern defense has been
at best mediocre and usually terrible every year Walker has been the 
head coach.  

Is that a fatal flaw?  Not quite.  But the head coach had better DO 
SOMETHING about that pattern fairly soon or I think it could become one.

Walker's Miami(Ohio) teams were known for their defenses.  However, Terry 
Hoeppner (now at IU) was Randy's DC and was promoted to head coach when 
he left.  

Here's a direct quote from the NU website about current DC Greg Colby:
"Since coming to Northwestern, the Wildcat defense has improved vastly under Colby..."  It has?
--
Mike Nolan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 25 07:54:09 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 25 07:54:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Season Report Card (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511250543.jAP5hS1i031034@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <000701c5f1c7$b56a84d0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

IMHO, the defense has improved under Colby, but your concern about recruiting
defenders is well taken.

If you go back and think about it over the years, NU usually has 2 of 4 decent
Dbacks - they tend to be seniors and every year they have to reinvent the
secondary. This year we had to do it twice, once when Battle beat Dious, and
then again when Battle had his academic issues surface. Next year we see the
return of a former starter to replace the seniors.

The loss of Backes, and Heinz put a big hole in a secondary that was expected to
be half decent this year. No coach can predict injuries.

I also don't think we all realized what Colby Clark and Luis Castillo actually
meant to the defense last year. Had both been playing close to 100%, the
defensive numbers would have been better. A two armed Luis is a major reason why
the Chargers are playing so well this year.

Greg Colby's strength is that when he can get everyone on the same page, and
healthy, he can put in defensive schemes that keep other teams out of the end
zone. The players still have to execute them, but we seem to adjust after the
half now, something I can remember folks on the chat whining about back when we
couldn't seem to change.

NU needs to start winning a few more battles when it come to getting top
defenders other than linebackers. We obviously need more defensive linemen
[altho a couple of the Frosh who redshirted could flip over there], but next
year, everyone is back except Cofield - leaving other offensive lines without
the need to double team someone. I for one, expect that our D-Line actually
improves over the winter as key players get healthy.

The sales pitch for NU's Defense should be the same one that the offensive
coaches used to get the team we've got now - come to Evanston and help us build
a winer. You'll probably play earlier than later if you're a top d-back or D
Lineman.

rsl



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> 
> 
> Here's a direct quote from the NU website about current DC 
> Greg Colby: "Since coming to Northwestern, the Wildcat 
> defense has improved vastly under Colby..."  It has?
> --


From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Nov 25 08:15:45 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 25 08:17:18 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Season Report Card
Message-ID: <83.33e7ceb9.30b87691@aol.com>

Thank you, Jim, for "stifling" the naysayers (as Archie Bunker might have  
put it).  In the spirit of the Holiday, let's give Thanks for the many  
blessings we all enjoy--one of which was a great season and hopefully a great  
post-season for the 'Cats.  "Ragging on Randy" seems to be the new game  show around 
here, but frankly, I, for one, am bored to tears with it.  And  I have a 
feeling I am not alone.
 
Paul Levinson
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Nov 25 08:56:33 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 25 09:00:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Season Report Card
Message-ID: <200.e55114f.30b88021@aol.com>

Yes, in the holiday spirit I say give thanks for both the naysayers and  RW.  
If RW can get this team fired up and can get us a postseason  win for the 
first time since the first half of the last century, (my birth year  1949) I give 
him an A, otherwise the CATS! are good but not to the next  level.
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 25 11:15:30 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 25 11:15:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/25
Message-ID: <000e01c5f1e3$d96dd050$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

for Purple Reign
& the NU Sports List

Post Thanksgiving Edition

Everyone took the holiday off yesterday, but there's still a little NU Football,
Basketball, Volleyball and more to check out...


   All the News that Fits We Link
    Your Index to News about
  Northwestern University Athletics

BASKETBALL

     Men:
     Northwestern Battles Crosstown Rival DePaul Saturday
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112305aab.html 
     DePaul vs. Northwestern Game Preview
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=471011 
     Cats nearly throw away win over Florida Atlantic
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-24-05-755705.
html 

     Next Up: @ DePaul Blue Demons  [11/26]
     Current Game Notes
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/pdf/mensgamenotes.pdf 
     BKB Pregame Intel: DePaul Blue Demons
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/471013.html 
     All in all, the old coach `doing all right'
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/depaul/cs-0511250245nov25
,1,6032728.story?coll=cs-college-depaul-print 
     @ Virginia [11/30]
     Cavaliers Down Spiders, 59-43
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112205aaa.html 
     + Virginia vs Richmond Preview
      http://virginia.scout.com/2/470016.html 
     + Reynolds, UVa drop Richmond
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768320612&path=%21sports 
     + Leitao's team displaying D in early going
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768320519&path=%21sports 

     Other Big 10 Basketball News
     Here's the tipoff
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=125389 
     Women
     Wildcats Set to Face Chicagoland rival Illinois-Chicago
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/112405aac.html 
     Cats run away from Creighton
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-24-05-754068.
html 

FOOTBALL

     Wildcats wait for bowl destination
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-24-05-753727.
html 
     Basanez awarded Northwestern's MVP honor
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-24-05-753879.
html 

     Miscellaneous Football News:
     Picking the Bowl teams
     Food for thought: Here's the ABC on how to fill your bowls
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/252sd5.htm 

Recruiting

     Wannstedt confident about recruiting home turf
      http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=Recruiting#20051123 
     There are a couple of top prospects affected by this one...
     Chicago Hales Franciscan High School Suspended From IHSA Membership, School
Hopes To Get Restored
      http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/hales.html 
     + Hales Franciscan H.S. Suspended from IHSA Membership
      http://www.ihsa.org/announce/051123.htm 

VOLLEYBALL

     Northwestern volleyball moves closer to gaining NCAA bid
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-24-05-753940.
html 

MISCELLANY

     Yes there's life after the NBA
     Bzdelik grounded at Air Force
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=125321 

ALUMNI

     Luis Castillo For all you Redskin Fans in DC
     Preview: Chargers vs Redskins
      http://www.chargers.com/news/headline_detail.cfm?news_key=2434 
     Joe Girardi: Girardi remains upbeat on team
 
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/baseball/marlins/sfl-girardi24nov24,0,5894007
.story?coll=sfla-sports-marlins 
     POLL: Who is most to blame for the Marlins' fire sale?
 
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/baseball/marlins/sfl-marpoll112205,0,7214941.
poll?coll=sfla-sports-marlins 

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From Martinitis at aol.com  Fri Nov 25 11:52:37 2005
From: Martinitis at aol.com (Martinitis@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 25 11:56:36 2005
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] Cat Season Report Card
Message-ID: <1ef.47a4d9fc.30b8a965@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/25/2005 6:18:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
NEONRye@aol.com writes:

"Ragging  on Randy" seems to be the new game  show around 
here, but frankly, I,  for one, am bored to tears with it.  And  I have a 
feeling I am  not alone.



You are not alone Mr. Levinson.   It's sad when some people  cannot celebrate 
a good thing. Here's hoping we beat whoever we draw when we go  Bowling!
 
Go Purple Haze!
 
Lou Martinaitis
 
 
From warneradams at comcast.net  Fri Nov 25 18:06:12 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Fri Nov 25 18:07:02 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Defense
Message-ID: <200511260007.jAQ070bl004088@gw.tssi.com>

Does our style of offense force our defense onto the field more often
thereby tiring them out?  I notice where we threw it more than our opponents
this year and rushed for fewer attempts. We also had the shorter time of
possession in 7 or 8 games.  Of course this could be the result of a weak
defense allowing our opponents to stay on the field longer but it could also
be aided by an offense that gets off the field more quickly.  We also
allowed almost twice as many points in the 2nd and 4th quarters as we did in
the 1st and 3rd.  

 

David Warner

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 18:57:52 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Nov 25 19:05:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
Message-ID: <20051126005752.46021.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>

As an NU fan excited about the team's sixth bowl
appearance in school history, I'm a bit dismayed that
our main topic for the past two weeks has been calling
for our coach's head after a 7-4 season.

As a teacher, however, I've read this grade discussion
with a bit more interest ... Walker certainly didn't
ace the 2005 season (not going for the kill early in
the PSU game bit us), but I'm amazed that anyone could
give the coach a failing grade.

Not only were expectations low at season's start (the
"experts" and many on the list) ... but they worsened
after the preseason injuries and the disaster in the
desert against (what was then a pretty good) ASU and
the heartbreak to PSU (who no one expected to win the
Big Ten back then). To get a 7-4 mark by season's end
against the #3 schedule in the country has to take
SOME coaching ability, no matter how much some folks
dislike the guy (and personally, I like a coach who's
no-nonsense and all football instead of one who loves
the camera on him, plays games in the press and likes
getting his picture taken around town).

But now that the season's over and ASU and NIU have
won necessary games this weekend, let's look back
again at that schedule, because as a teacher, you do
need to remember to grade on the level of test
attempted. And NU's 2005 test was pretty steep, making
the 7-4 mark even more remarkable.

We knew coming into the season that we had a tough
schedule - and even some fans like me who wear
purple-colored glasses were hard pressed to find six
wins. But preseason can be deceiving at times (look at
Notre Dame's schedule), so upon post-season review ...

* 7 of our 11 games were against teams going bowling
in 2005-06
* 4 of our 11 foes were top 10 at some point in the
season
* 8 of our 11 foes were top 15 at some point in the
season (MSU and Purdue peaked at #11, UW and ASU at
#14)
* 2 of our losses will come to BCS teams if OSU is
chosen
* 2 of our 4 non-bowl foes were teams ranked at one
point in the season (MSU, Purdue) and just missed a
bowl at 5-6.
* Our 2 "easy" games were the season opener against a
better-than-expected Ohio team and a final game
against rival Illinois.

So finishing in 3rd place in the Big Ten with a 7-4
mark for that schedule clearly merits a passing grade.
I'd say a B for 2005.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From DPENDERG at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 07:40:32 2005
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 26 07:44:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
Message-ID: <201.eaa55e0.30b9bfd0@aol.com>

Although I've been among the Walker critics, I tend to agree with the  notion 
that a 7-4 record against a very tough schedule is hardly grounds for  firing 
the guy.  Whatever any of us thinks is irrelevant, of course,  because the 
only jury that counts -- Murphy and Bienen -- reportedly really  likes Walker 
and will extend his contract barring unforeseen  circumstances.
 
At the same time, we should point out that Walker's tenure at NU is  
seriously flawed by two major shortcomings:  defense (consistently among  the worst in 
D-IA football) and special teams.  No one questions Walker's  offensive 
acumen or his recruiting of some extraordinary offensive players, but  the contrast 
with what happens in the other two thirds of the game is pretty  striking.  
We cannot count indefinitely on our offense to win games and the  problems on 
defense/special teams will always come back to haunt us as we saw  against ASU, 
UM, OSU and PSU.  If we have a really good bowl opponent, I  really fear it 
might again happen to us, but in any case let's hope to see some  genuine 
changes on defense/special teams before next  season.
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 26 10:26:45 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 26 10:26:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/26
Message-ID: <000201c5f2a6$321be8f0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Saturday Special Edition

Special pre Basketball Edition, with NU and Blue Demon stories, some Football,
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                   All the News that Fits We Link
                       Your Index to News about
                  Northwestern University Athletics

BASKETBALL

chat during the game here:
http://client1.sigmachat.com/sc.pl?id=122893

     Men:
     Blue Demons, Wildcats both seek positive signs
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/depaul.asp?id=125627 
     Today's games
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cagep26.html 
     Northwestern Battles Crosstown Rival DePaul Saturday
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112305aab.html 
     Next Up: @ DePaul Blue Demons  [11/26] 
     Forgotten no longer
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/depaul/cs-0511260144nov26
,1,5836120.story?coll=cs-college-depaul-print 
     + Men's Basketball Hosts Northwestern Saturday
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=2&ID=2535 
     + Game Notes
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/pdf/mensgamenotes.pdf 

     @ Virginia [11/30] 

     Women
     Wildcats Set to Face Chicagoland rival Illinois-Chicago
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/112405aac.html 

FOOTBALL

     SjT: Grading the 2005 Season
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/471286.html 

     Sports XChange: Inside Slant
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=InsideSlant 
     + Strategy and Personnel
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=StrategyAndPersonn
el 
     + Notes and Quotes
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamReport?categoryId=86065&type=NotesAndQuotes 

Recruiting

     FR captures WPIAL title; states up next
      http://www.gatewaynewspapers.com/murrysvillestar/55220/ 
     + Franklin Regional trips Thomas Jefferson, 31-14
      http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05324/609709.stm 
     + The Post-Gazette Fabulous 22
      http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05328/611702.stm 

VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats Outrun Hoosiers, 3-1, to Close Regular Season
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/112605aaa.html 

MISCELLANY

     Bad stuff at UN-L vs Colorado
     Fans misbehave as Nebraska crushes CU
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5112450?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=24 
     + Student sections cleared at Folsom Field 
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5112430?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=24 

ALUMNI

     He may as well be an alum - he's a veteran of many games at Ryan
     Alvarez a winner in regular-season finale 
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5113114?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=24 

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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 11:02:07 2005
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 26 11:06:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd: To keep Barnett or make a change?  FYI  
Message-ID: <2ba.995e65.30b9ef0f@aol.com>

This interesting article was sent to me by a former marine with whom I  
served with in Korea at the Chosin Reservoir. Since then he has had a  
distinguished career at the University of Colorado as a professor of Biology. He  knows 
that I am a graduate of Northwestern University and therefore sends me  articles 
like the attached. I found this enlightening, especially the following  
comments by his readers.
Don Williams 
C55
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 26 12:14:30 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 26 12:14:36 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] New Purple Chat Room for Game
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Use this link - it's a better chat setup.

Thanks

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 16:42:00 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 26 16:45:58 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Terps go down...again
Message-ID: <8C7C0F1BF71F9EB-1BA0-2F50@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com>

As an NU fan, and one who fondly remembers Ron Vanderlinden, it was good to see Maryland and Ralph Friedgen fall to NCSU this afternoon.  Thats two straight years of 5-6 and missing a bowl game for Friedgen, after three very good years (31-8 his first three years).  It always felt like Friedgen 'stole' the glory with the players Vandy recruited.  Now that it's his own recruits in the system (years 4 and 5 of the Friedgen era), the results are turning back to luke-warm, or worse.
 
Vandy is currently coaching the LB's at Penn State.  The 92-96 defenses he coached at NU ought to be sufficient to land him another DC spot (if he wanted it).  Does anybody know if he has sought out a DC role, or is he waiting for Paterno to move on (maybe another decade ?)
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Sat Nov 26 16:58:26 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Sat Nov 26 16:59:41 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Terps go down...again
In-Reply-To: <8C7C0F1BF71F9EB-1BA0-2F50@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C7C0F1BF71F9EB-1BA0-2F50@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511261653120.15122@localhost>

> Vandy is currently coaching the LB's at Penn State.  The 92-96 defenses 
> he coached at NU ought to be sufficient to land him another DC spot (if 
> he wanted it).  Does anybody know if he has sought out a DC role, or is 
> he waiting for Paterno to move on (maybe another decade ?)

Since Fitz is recruiting coordinator, any chance he could recruit his old 
coach to come back and DC for the 'Cats?  Randy's already said he wants 
his assistants to get HC jobs coming out of here - another DC run might 
get him another shot at HC.

Having Vanderlinden on the staff again... can you imagine this offense and 
the stifling defense we were treated to in 1995/96?  We'd tear up the Big 
Ten.  Again.

Jonathan

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 17:33:15 2005
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 26 17:41:03 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawkeye Housing
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511261653120.15122@localhost>
Message-ID: <20051126233315.74938.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I saw this on ESPN.com. Evidentally several schools have athletes living in
low-to-no rent public housing and pocketing their housing stipend. My favorite
paragraph is below. I'd love to see Coach Ferentz say that he had no idea it
was happening. 

On the plus side, this (at least in part) dispels the widely believed rumor
that everyone in Iowa lives in a trailer :-)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2237493

"As first brought to light by the Des Moines Register, dozens of
full-scholarship Hawkeyes players, who received money for housing, paid little
or no rent to live in the housing. Among them was offensive lineman Brian
Ferentz, the son of Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz, who was found to be living in
an apartment subsidized by taxpayers."

Victory & Honor,
Jim


	
		
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From jhcclark at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 18:57:41 2005
From: jhcclark at aol.com (jhcclark@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 26 19:01:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Terps go down...again
In-Reply-To: <8C7C0F1BF71F9EB-1BA0-2F50@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C7C0F1BF71F9EB-1BA0-2F50@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C7C104B4699F34-1148-58AB@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com>

I had thought the same thing while watching the game.

It bothered me unbelievably when Maryland promised Vanderlinden 5 
years, and Vandy said he'd win the ACC crown at Maryland in five years, 
and then the Twerps yanked him after year #4.  Friedgen then takes 
Vandy's kids and goes 10-1 in Vandy's "fifth" year.  Glad to see the 
Twerps are hurting.  I hope there is a lot of second-guessing going on 
there.

It also made me aware that the kids Joe Pa is winning with are kids 
that more than likely were recruited by Vanderlinden.

I've always wondered if Vandy would like to come back to Northwestern, 
but with Walker as HC and Fitz as HC-in-waiting, I don't see this 
happening.  I don't see Vandy taking the DC spot here and then moving 
on in 5 years.  I also don't see Walker calling in an "equal" to be his 
assistant -- too much opportunity to "compare" the 95 season to now, 
too much competition in his own domain.  I see Vandy as HC here, but 
not DC.

-----Original Message-----
From: cherron604@aol.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:42:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Terps go down...again

   As an NU fan, and one who fondly remembers Ron Vanderlinden, it was 
good to see
Maryland and Ralph Friedgen fall to NCSU this afternoon.  Thats two 
straight
years of 5-6 and missing a bowl game for Friedgen, after three very 
good years
(31-8 his first three years).  It always felt like Friedgen 'stole' the 
glory
with the players Vandy recruited.  Now that it's his own recruits in 
the system
(years 4 and 5 of the Friedgen era), the results are turning back to 
luke-warm,
or worse.

Vandy is currently coaching the LB's at Penn State.  The 92-96 defenses 
he
coached at NU ought to be sufficient to land him another DC spot (if he 
wanted
it).  Does anybody know if he has sought out a DC role, or is he 
waiting for
Paterno to move on (maybe another decade ?)

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
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From khaderach at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 26 19:44:06 2005
From: khaderach at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Bowser)
Date: Sat Nov 26 19:51:53 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
In-Reply-To: <20051126005752.46021.qmail@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051127014406.43664.qmail@web80809.mail.yahoo.com>

As I was reading through this thread, my 16 month old
daughter tore all of my old magazines out of the
storage rack and handed me the Lindy's 2005 Big Ten
College Preview. (Truly an insightful prodigy...)Their
predictions from five months ago give some interesting
perspective and back up some of the recent comments.

"Good news: RB Jordon should pick up where Noah Herron
left off."

"Loren Howard: Ready for monster year...could be the
star pass rusher Northwestern has lacked"

"Bad News: Too many holes to fill on the OL and
DL...special teams are a major concern"

"Our call: Gonna be tough to keep the Wildcats from
sagging back to the bottom."

Predicted finish: 9th place, no bowl.

The upside: "With a healthy defensive front seven and
more consistent pplay from Basanez, Northwestern could
sneak into the post-season with six or seven wins."


I fall in with the camp that is excited about the bowl
and wants to enjoy the ride. Walker still needs to
make some improvements, but this has been a much
better year than most of us expected. Now is the time
to enjoy what the team has accomplished.

- Bryan
  


--- "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> As an NU fan excited about the team's sixth bowl
> appearance in school history, I'm a bit dismayed
> that
> our main topic for the past two weeks has been
> calling
> for our coach's head after a 7-4 season.
> 
> As a teacher, however, I've read this grade
> discussion
> with a bit more interest ... Walker certainly didn't
> ace the 2005 season (not going for the kill early in
> the PSU game bit us), but I'm amazed that anyone
> could
> give the coach a failing grade.
> 
> Not only were expectations low at season's start
> (the
> "experts" and many on the list) ... but they
> worsened
> after the preseason injuries and the disaster in the
> desert against (what was then a pretty good) ASU and
> the heartbreak to PSU (who no one expected to win
> the
> Big Ten back then). To get a 7-4 mark by season's
> end
> against the #3 schedule in the country has to take
> SOME coaching ability, no matter how much some folks
> dislike the guy (and personally, I like a coach
> who's
> no-nonsense and all football instead of one who
> loves
> the camera on him, plays games in the press and
> likes
> getting his picture taken around town).
> 
> But now that the season's over and ASU and NIU have
> won necessary games this weekend, let's look back
> again at that schedule, because as a teacher, you do
> need to remember to grade on the level of test
> attempted. And NU's 2005 test was pretty steep,
> making
> the 7-4 mark even more remarkable.
> 
> We knew coming into the season that we had a tough
> schedule - and even some fans like me who wear
> purple-colored glasses were hard pressed to find six
> wins. But preseason can be deceiving at times (look
> at
> Notre Dame's schedule), so upon post-season review
> ...
> 
> * 7 of our 11 games were against teams going bowling
> in 2005-06
> * 4 of our 11 foes were top 10 at some point in the
> season
> * 8 of our 11 foes were top 15 at some point in the
> season (MSU and Purdue peaked at #11, UW and ASU at
> #14)
> * 2 of our losses will come to BCS teams if OSU is
> chosen
> * 2 of our 4 non-bowl foes were teams ranked at one
> point in the season (MSU, Purdue) and just missed a
> bowl at 5-6.
> * Our 2 "easy" games were the season opener against
> a
> better-than-expected Ohio team and a final game
> against rival Illinois.
> 
> So finishing in 3rd place in the Big Ten with a 7-4
> mark for that schedule clearly merits a passing
> grade.
> I'd say a B for 2005.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Sat Nov 26 20:43:12 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Sat Nov 26 20:49:04 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
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I think that the grade any coach receives should reflect the results at the
end of the year compared with our expectations (there's that word again).  I
think it is reasonable to expect a winning record and a bowl game every
season, and RW delivered.  So on an absolute scale of C = 6-5, C+ = 7-4, B-
= 8-3, B = 9-2, B+ = 10-1, A = 11-0, then he gets a C+.

Then you have to look at the competition, in this case the third toughest
schedule in the country.  He has to get extra credit for that. (up to B) 

Any more points would be for improvement in previous problem areas, or
deterioration in previous strong areas.  Defense and special teams continue
to be a problem.  They didn't get any worse, but they didn't really get any
better.  I think that the receiving crew improved as did QB play.  The
running game was about where it was last year, which was a pleasant
surprise. (up to B+).

Finally you have to look at what RW is doing to generate revenue for the
program in the same ways that every BT coaches generate revenue.  That is
measured in attendance, media face time, and merchandizing.  I don't think
this is an either/or proposition.  BT coaches get paid a lot of money
because they generate a lot of money.  There are plenty of no-nonsense
all-football coaches who have figured out how to do this (Carr, Tressel,
Ferentz, etc.).  RW has to get better at it for this program to reach it's
potential.  NU was on TV a lot this year, but that was in part a reflection
of the strength of schedule.  Even with their best season since 2000 and a
couple of incredible finishes, there wasn't a whole lot of excitement in the
Chicago area about this team. (down to B)

If we win a bowl game it should go up to B+.  If we lose, C-.

Jeff




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Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:58 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...

As an NU fan excited about the team's sixth bowl appearance in school
history, I'm a bit dismayed that our main topic for the past two weeks has
been calling for our coach's head after a 7-4 season.

As a teacher, however, I've read this grade discussion with a bit more
interest ... Walker certainly didn't ace the 2005 season (not going for the
kill early in the PSU game bit us), but I'm amazed that anyone could give
the coach a failing grade.

Not only were expectations low at season's start (the "experts" and many on
the list) ... but they worsened after the preseason injuries and the
disaster in the desert against (what was then a pretty good) ASU and the
heartbreak to PSU (who no one expected to win the Big Ten back then). To get
a 7-4 mark by season's end against the #3 schedule in the country has to
take SOME coaching ability, no matter how much some folks dislike the guy
(and personally, I like a coach who's no-nonsense and all football instead
of one who loves the camera on him, plays games in the press and likes
getting his picture taken around town).

But now that the season's over and ASU and NIU have won necessary games this
weekend, let's look back again at that schedule, because as a teacher, you
do need to remember to grade on the level of test attempted. And NU's 2005
test was pretty steep, making the 7-4 mark even more remarkable.

We knew coming into the season that we had a tough schedule - and even some
fans like me who wear purple-colored glasses were hard pressed to find six
wins. But preseason can be deceiving at times (look at Notre Dame's
schedule), so upon post-season review ...

* 7 of our 11 games were against teams going bowling in 2005-06
* 4 of our 11 foes were top 10 at some point in the season
* 8 of our 11 foes were top 15 at some point in the season (MSU and Purdue
peaked at #11, UW and ASU at
#14)
* 2 of our losses will come to BCS teams if OSU is chosen
* 2 of our 4 non-bowl foes were teams ranked at one point in the season
(MSU, Purdue) and just missed a bowl at 5-6.
* Our 2 "easy" games were the season opener against a better-than-expected
Ohio team and a final game against rival Illinois.

So finishing in 3rd place in the Big Ten with a 7-4 mark for that schedule
clearly merits a passing grade.
I'd say a B for 2005.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 21:11:04 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 26 21:12:16 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
In-Reply-To: <036301c5f2fc$4f1d0730$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <20051127031105.18188.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com>

> I think that the grade any coach receives should
> reflect the results at the

:) - maybe you should develop the new BCS formula,
Jeff -- you really broke this down well!

> Any more points would be for improvement in previous
> problem areas, or
> deterioration in previous strong areas.  Defense and
> special teams continue

I'm really hoping this improves next year -- the
losses of Castillo/Clark and in Kenosha Howard just
killed our D-line this year. Cofield was amazing
considering he was alone most of the year ...
hopefully next year we get better up front.

As for LB, losing McGarrigle will be huge, but we'll
have Roach ready to step into the monster LB role NU
has developed the last decade plus.

Where I expect to see the most improvement is our
secondary -- losing Heinz and Backes hurt (as did a
lack of pass rush). We have some speed back there now
and Henderson improved throughout the year. Hopefully
next year will see leaps and bounds here.

Special teams? Well, maybe that new kicker is all
that's advertised. But definitely a need area all
around.

> did QB play.  The
> running game was about where it was last year, which
> was a pleasant
> surprise. (up to B+).

Definitely -- considering Sutton wasn't even our
backup before the season began, it was a nice
surprise. Hopefully TS won't suffer the sophomore
slump Peterson at OU had this year and our line will
continue to improve.

> Finally you have to look at what RW is doing to
> generate revenue for the
> program in the same ways that every BT coaches

I know that's technically part of the coach's job, but
I really think our problems run deeper than a head
coach here. We've all discussed the factors ... many
of which Walker is powerless to change (early start
times, pro sports city, etc.). His teams are exciting
and he's building a winning tradition. If that doesn't
earn more fans in our situation, who knows what will
(I see from the Stanford-ND game that Stanford is
remodeling their stadium and shrinking it to 50,000 or
so ... I don't think we need to shrink Dyche, but you
see the problems they have in a pro market with many
more alumni nearby than NU has ... on a side note,
flipping channels, maybe our NC game at Nevada next
year isn't a gimme).

> because they generate a lot of money.  There are
> plenty of no-nonsense
> all-football coaches who have figured out how to do
> this (Carr, Tressel, Ferentz, etc.). 

Not sure I buy this. Carr walked into his situation
and really hasn't had to do much (or done much) to
deal with the off-field state of the program. And all
Tressel did was beat Michigan (which was enough in
Columbus:) ). These guys all had ready-made situations
to step into and really don't face the situation or
circumstances Walker does.

Again, I know you don't want a total a-hole who
alienates fans ... but so what if the guy's not Mr.
Personality flashing a smile around town. The media
may love that guy for 15 minutes, but the sword is
double-edged and can turn fast (ask Barnett or
Neuheisel). I don't want a snake-oil salesman. I want
someone who builds a winning program, and if Walker
does that by thriving on an "us vs. them" and
tight-shipped atmosphere that doesn't exactly win him
personality points, fine with me.

> If we win a bowl game it should go up to B+.  If we
> lose, C-.

Well that's a bit harsh - little upside, big
downside.:)

I do want that bowl win though - we'll see who we play
and how the matchup rates. In fairness to Barnett and
Walker, in 3 of the past 4 bowls, we've played a
preseason #1 so it's been a tough matchup. Thankfully,
even if UCLA blows out SC this year, I don't think the
Trojans will slip to the Sun Bowl.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 22:34:33 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 26 22:38:29 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Walt Harris IS incompetent
Message-ID: <8C7C122FF9938D1-654-8267@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com>

Painfully watching the last few minutes of the Stanford-Evil Empire game.  Stanford scored a touchdown with 1:46 to take a lead, then let the opponent drive 80 yards in 51 seconds (!) to take the lead right back.  (Sound turned down because Keith Jackson's incessant cheerleading is even more tiresome than his usual blowhard commentary)
 
Could it be - a defense as bad as (or worse than) Greg Colby's ?
 
The only positive - if team Evil does make a BCS bowl (unworthily), here's hoping that they get embarrassed.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Nov 26 23:38:40 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov 27 00:02:51 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Defense
In-Reply-To: <200511260007.jAQ070bl004088@gw.tssi.com>
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At 11/25/2005 07:06 PM, warneradams wrote:
>Does our style of offense force our defense onto the field more often
>thereby tiring them out?  I notice where we threw it more than our opponents
>this year and rushed for fewer attempts. We also had the shorter time of
>possession in 7 or 8 games.  Of course this could be the result of a weak
>defense allowing our opponents to stay on the field longer but it could also
>be aided by an offense that gets off the field more quickly.  We also
>allowed almost twice as many points in the 2nd and 4th quarters as we did in
>the 1st and 3rd.

I think that this is the biggest flaw in a primarily pass-oriented 
offense.  If you don't run it with the precision of a Purdue (in Tiller's 
first few years) or Tommy Chang-led Hawai'i, you run a huge risk of not 
using much time, whether you score or not, and sending your defense back 
out onto the field without much of a breather.

A big item of discussion down here in Indy has been exactly what is 
different about this year's Colts team.  My contention has been that the 
biggest thing (there are a lot of factors) has been that they haven't been 
relying on Manning and Harrison as much and that has allowed them to win 
the time-of-possession battle, which they rarely did last year.  The best 
way to stop the opposing offense will always be to keep them off the field.

-Michael 

From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov 27 00:01:56 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov 27 00:03:00 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
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Unless I'm wrong, this goes back to the University's (in)ability to 
properly market NU athletics.  I know that technically, the coach has to 
agree to do a coach's show, but whose job is it to pitch the idea to a 
local station?  We had the Gary Barnett Show on SportsChannel way back 
when, and I think we even had the Randy Walker Show for a season or two 
after that.  Then it went to the 
Seven-Minutes-At-The-End-Of-The-Sunday-Sports-Show with Randy Walker for a 
season or two, then nothing.  I don't care when it airs (the old GB show 
was on at something like 3:00 in the afternoon and the Lloyd Carr Show is 
on Sunday morning last I heard), just get something on the air!

If we aren't doing it because RW doesn't like to do a coach's show, then 
Mr. Murphy needs to tell him how it has to be.  I don't want a media hound 
for a coach either, but a coach has to be able to sell his program, not 
just to recruits, but to fans as well.

If we aren't doing a show because we can't sell the idea of 30 minutes 
devoted to NU sports to any of the local broadcast or cable stations, then 
we've got serious marketing problems at the University.

-Michael

At 11/26/2005 10:11 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote:
> > Finally you have to look at what RW is doing to
> > generate revenue for the
> > program in the same ways that every BT coaches
>
>I know that's technically part of the coach's job, but
>I really think our problems run deeper than a head
>coach here. We've all discussed the factors ... many
>of which Walker is powerless to change (early start
>times, pro sports city, etc.). His teams are exciting
>and he's building a winning tradition. If that doesn't
>earn more fans in our situation, who knows what will
>(I see from the Stanford-ND game that Stanford is
>remodeling their stadium and shrinking it to 50,000 or
>so ... I don't think we need to shrink Dyche, but you
>see the problems they have in a pro market with many
>more alumni nearby than NU has ... on a side note,
>flipping channels, maybe our NC game at Nevada next
>year isn't a gimme).
>
> > because they generate a lot of money.  There are
> > plenty of no-nonsense
> > all-football coaches who have figured out how to do
> > this (Carr, Tressel, Ferentz, etc.).
>
>Not sure I buy this. Carr walked into his situation
>and really hasn't had to do much (or done much) to
>deal with the off-field state of the program. And all
>Tressel did was beat Michigan (which was enough in
>Columbus:) ). These guys all had ready-made situations
>to step into and really don't face the situation or
>circumstances Walker does.
>
>Again, I know you don't want a total a-hole who
>alienates fans ... but so what if the guy's not Mr.
>Personality flashing a smile around town. The media
>may love that guy for 15 minutes, but the sword is
>double-edged and can turn fast (ask Barnett or
>Neuheisel). I don't want a snake-oil salesman. I want
>someone who builds a winning program, and if Walker
>does that by thriving on an "us vs. them" and
>tight-shipped atmosphere that doesn't exactly win him
>personality points, fine with me.

From cherron604 at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 00:45:32 2005
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 27 00:47:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
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Comcast Sports Net is our Chicago outlet for the White Sox, Bulls, Hawks, etc., but it broadcasts all day, every day, so there is a lot of room for filler.
 
I once saw some highlights of the Penn State-NU game - I was excited, until I realized it was the Penn State coach's show.
 
In a typical week ,Comcast would show:
 
- 2 broadcasts of 'Illini Rewind with Ron Zook' (1 hour each)
- 2 broadcasts of 'Inside Notre Dame Football'
- 1 broadcast of 'Michigan Replay'
- 1 broadcast of 'Iowa Football with Kirk Ferentz'
- 1 broadcast of 'Buckeye Football Weekly'
- 1 broadcast of 'Penn State - the Football Story'
 
As well as half-hour broadcasts of the coach's press conferences from Michigan, Michigan State and Notre Dame.  Thats 6.5 hours a week of coachs shows (6.5 hours of publicity for those programs, vs. no publicity for us).  Comcast could easily find an extra half-hour a week for an NU show.  We (the school or RW) apparently do not want to do one, which is, imho, unwise.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance@att.net>
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:01:56 -0500
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...


Unless I'm wrong, this goes back to the University's (in)ability to properly market NU athletics. I know that technically, the coach has to agree to do a coach's show, but whose job is it to pitch the idea to a local station? We had the Gary Barnett Show on SportsChannel way back when, and I think we even had the Randy Walker Show for a season or two after that. Then it went to the Seven-Minutes-At-The-End-Of-The-Sunday-Sports-Show with Randy Walker for a season or two, then nothing. I don't care when it airs (the old GB show was on at something like 3:00 in the afternoon and the Lloyd Carr Show is on Sunday morning last I heard), just get something on the air! 
 
If we aren't doing it because RW doesn't like to do a coach's show, then Mr. Murphy needs to tell him how it has to be. I don't want a media hound for a coach either, but a coach has to be able to sell his program, not just to recruits, but to fans as well. 
 
If we aren't doing a show because we can't sell the idea of 30 minutes devoted to NU sports to any of the local broadcast or cable stations, then we've got serious marketing problems at the University. 
 
-Michael 
 
At 11/26/2005 10:11 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote: 
> > Finally you have to look at what RW is doing to 
> > generate revenue for the 
> > program in the same ways that every BT coaches 
> 
>I know that's technically part of the coach's job, but 
>I really think our problems run deeper than a head 
>coach here. We've all discussed the factors ... many 
>of which Walker is powerless to change (early start 
>times, pro sports city, etc.). His teams are exciting 
>and he's building a winning tradition. If that doesn't 
>earn more fans in our situation, who knows what will 
>(I see from the Stanford-ND game that Stanford is 
>remodeling their stadium and shrinking it to 50,000 or 
>so ... I don't think we need to shrink Dyche, but you 
>see the problems they have in a pro market with many 
>more alumni nearby than NU has ... on a side note, 
>flipping channels, maybe our NC game at Nevada next 
>year isn't a gimme). 
> 
> > because they generate a lot of money. There are 
> > plenty of no-nonsense 
> > all-football coaches who have figured out how to do 
> > this (Carr, Tressel, Ferentz, etc.). 
> 
>Not sure I buy this. Carr walked into his situation 
>and really hasn't had to do much (or done much) to 
>deal with the off-field state of the program. And all 
>Tressel did was beat Michigan (which was enough in 
>Columbus:) ). These guys all had ready-made situations 
>to step into and really don't face the situation or 
>circumstances Walker does. 
> 
>Again, I know you don't want a total a-hole who 
>alienates fans ... but so what if the guy's not Mr. 
>Personality flashing a smile around town. The media 
>may love that guy for 15 minutes, but the sword is 
>double-edged and can turn fast (ask Barnett or 
>Neuheisel). I don't want a snake-oil salesman. I want 
>someone who builds a winning program, and if Walker 
>does that by thriving on an "us vs. them" and 
>tight-shipped atmosphere that doesn't exactly win him 
>personality points, fine with me. 
 
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sun Nov 27 06:51:47 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sun Nov 27 06:52:18 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
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That's why we went to satellite w/Dish.  Comcast service stinks out here 
too (PA just ovr the Delaware bordrer).  If you don't like the Phillies, 
Eagles and Flyers, foreget it.

cherron604@aol.com wrote:

>Comcast Sports Net is our Chicago outlet for the White Sox, Bulls, Hawks, etc., but it broadcasts all day, every day, so there is a lot of room for filler.
> 
>I once saw some highlights of the Penn State-NU game - I was excited, until I realized it was the Penn State coach's show.
> 
>In a typical week ,Comcast would show:
> 
>- 2 broadcasts of 'Illini Rewind with Ron Zook' (1 hour each)
>- 2 broadcasts of 'Inside Notre Dame Football'
>- 1 broadcast of 'Michigan Replay'
>- 1 broadcast of 'Iowa Football with Kirk Ferentz'
>- 1 broadcast of 'Buckeye Football Weekly'
>- 1 broadcast of 'Penn State - the Football Story'
> 
>As well as half-hour broadcasts of the coach's press conferences from Michigan, Michigan State and Notre Dame.  Thats 6.5 hours a week of coachs shows (6.5 hours of publicity for those programs, vs. no publicity for us).  Comcast could easily find an extra half-hour a week for an NU show.  We (the school or RW) apparently do not want to do one, which is, imho, unwise.
> 
>Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Vance <michael.vance@att.net>
>To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
>Sent: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:01:56 -0500
>Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
>
>
>Unless I'm wrong, this goes back to the University's (in)ability to properly market NU athletics. I know that technically, the coach has to agree to do a coach's show, but whose job is it to pitch the idea to a local station? We had the Gary Barnett Show on SportsChannel way back when, and I think we even had the Randy Walker Show for a season or two after that. Then it went to the Seven-Minutes-At-The-End-Of-The-Sunday-Sports-Show with Randy Walker for a season or two, then nothing. I don't care when it airs (the old GB show was on at something like 3:00 in the afternoon and the Lloyd Carr Show is on Sunday morning last I heard), just get something on the air! 
> 
>If we aren't doing it because RW doesn't like to do a coach's show, then Mr. Murphy needs to tell him how it has to be. I don't want a media hound for a coach either, but a coach has to be able to sell his program, not just to recruits, but to fans as well. 
> 
>If we aren't doing a show because we can't sell the idea of 30 minutes devoted to NU sports to any of the local broadcast or cable stations, then we've got serious marketing problems at the University. 
> 
>-Michael 
> 
>At 11/26/2005 10:11 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote: 
>  
>
>>>Finally you have to look at what RW is doing to 
>>>generate revenue for the 
>>>program in the same ways that every BT coaches 
>>>      
>>>
>>I know that's technically part of the coach's job, but 
>>I really think our problems run deeper than a head 
>>coach here. We've all discussed the factors ... many 
>>of which Walker is powerless to change (early start 
>>times, pro sports city, etc.). His teams are exciting 
>>and he's building a winning tradition. If that doesn't 
>>earn more fans in our situation, who knows what will 
>>(I see from the Stanford-ND game that Stanford is 
>>remodeling their stadium and shrinking it to 50,000 or 
>>so ... I don't think we need to shrink Dyche, but you 
>>see the problems they have in a pro market with many 
>>more alumni nearby than NU has ... on a side note, 
>>flipping channels, maybe our NC game at Nevada next 
>>year isn't a gimme). 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>because they generate a lot of money. There are 
>>>plenty of no-nonsense 
>>>all-football coaches who have figured out how to do 
>>>this (Carr, Tressel, Ferentz, etc.). 
>>>      
>>>
>>Not sure I buy this. Carr walked into his situation 
>>and really hasn't had to do much (or done much) to 
>>deal with the off-field state of the program. And all 
>>Tressel did was beat Michigan (which was enough in 
>>Columbus:) ). These guys all had ready-made situations 
>>to step into and really don't face the situation or 
>>circumstances Walker does. 
>>
>>Again, I know you don't want a total a-hole who 
>>alienates fans ... but so what if the guy's not Mr. 
>>Personality flashing a smile around town. The media 
>>may love that guy for 15 minutes, but the sword is 
>>double-edged and can turn fast (ask Barnett or 
>>Neuheisel). I don't want a snake-oil salesman. I want 
>>someone who builds a winning program, and if Walker 
>>does that by thriving on an "us vs. them" and 
>>tight-shipped atmosphere that doesn't exactly win him 
>>personality points, fine with me. 
>>    
>>
> 
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From warneradams at comcast.net  Sun Nov 27 09:29:32 2005
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Sun Nov 27 09:30:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Coach's Show
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051127005253.03e96850@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <200511271530.jARFUDbl016742@gw.tssi.com>

A coach's show would seem to be a great opportunity to market the football
program and I don't know why we don't do it.  With TIVO, it doesn't even
matter when the thing airs.  I routinely tape the coach's shows for the
schools I like.  It's another opportunity for prospective recruits to find
out more about the program.  It would be especially beneficial to do some of
the shows from different locations in and around Chicago to show off that
aspect of going to NU.



From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sun Nov 27 10:11:12 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Sun Nov 27 10:12:26 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Coach's Show
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In my professional life I have seen numerous  coaching contracts for 
football and basketball coaches at various D-I schools, both within BCS 
conferences and not.  Almost without fail, the contract obligated the 
coach to participate in a weekly radio and television show.  I have 
always just assumed that RW had one and not living in Chicago, never had 
the chance to see it.  I'm amazed to now learn that he doesn't. Does 
Carmody?

This is a serious failing of the Athletic Department administration.  
It's hard for me to imagine that at least Comcast wouldn't agree to 
carry it.  WGN should agree to carry a radio show as part of its radio 
contract as well.  In my experience, that's normally part of the radio 
rights contract.  I assume that NU doesn't have a local television 
rights deal based on what I've been reading in lately.  Can anyone 
confirm if basketball games are broadcast locally anywhere, including 
Comcast, if not available through a Big Ten package?  If there is a 
local broadcast package, then the coach's show is generally included in 
that contract.

Mark

From loomis3 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 27 10:41:33 2005
From: loomis3 at sbcglobal.net (Frank F. Loomis III)
Date: Sun Nov 27 10:42:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Re:  Coach's Show
Message-ID: <20051127164134.26983.qmail@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark,
 
Since 1957, when Ara started having a show to help him recruit, we have had one every year until RW stopped it in 2000 (or was it 2001?)  And sometime in the late 80s the show was expanded to national coverage on cable.  
 
This seems to say that RW, not the University, prefers not having one.
 
It would be great if Mr. Murphy would let us know the skinny on this.  
 
Frank Loomis 
From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Sun Nov 27 10:44:15 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Sun Nov 27 10:49:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
In-Reply-To: <20051127031105.18188.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004501c5f371$cd949d10$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

Stephen wrote <snip>

> If we win a bowl game it should go up to B+.  If we lose, C-.

Well that's a bit harsh - little upside, big
downside.:)

I do want that bowl win though - we'll see who we play and how the matchup
rates. In fairness to Barnett and Walker, in 3 of the past 4 bowls, we've
played a preseason #1 so it's been a tough matchup. Thankfully, even if UCLA
blows out SC this year, I don't think the Trojans will slip to the Sun
Bowl.:)
============================================

I agree that it was too harsh.  I had fat-fingered the original post and
intended to post B- if we lose, but the more I thought about it, the more I
figured - Heck this is my grading system anyway and nobody said it had to
fair.  I'm tired of losing bowl games, so some of that frustration might
have unconsciously crept into the response.

Jeff

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Sun Nov 27 10:59:36 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Sun Nov 27 11:05:16 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051127005253.03e96850@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c5f373$f2975600$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

 Lloyd Carr isn't the most social guy either, but he also does a lot of
speaking during the off season at Alumni groups around the country.  He
understands that part of his responsibility is to promote the program to
those patrons who have the money to support it.

>From what I've heard, RW could improve in this area too.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Vance
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 1:02 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...

Unless I'm wrong, this goes back to the University's (in)ability to properly
market NU athletics.  I know that technically, the coach has to agree to do
a coach's show, but whose job is it to pitch the idea to a local station?
We had the Gary Barnett Show on SportsChannel way back when, and I think we
even had the Randy Walker Show for a season or two after that.  Then it went
to the Seven-Minutes-At-The-End-Of-The-Sunday-Sports-Show with Randy Walker
for a season or two, then nothing.  I don't care when it airs (the old GB
show was on at something like 3:00 in the afternoon and the Lloyd Carr Show
is on Sunday morning last I heard), just get something on the air!

If we aren't doing it because RW doesn't like to do a coach's show, then Mr.
Murphy needs to tell him how it has to be.  I don't want a media hound for a
coach either, but a coach has to be able to sell his program, not just to
recruits, but to fans as well.

If we aren't doing a show because we can't sell the idea of 30 minutes
devoted to NU sports to any of the local broadcast or cable stations, then
we've got serious marketing problems at the University.

-Michael

At 11/26/2005 10:11 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote:
> > Finally you have to look at what RW is doing to generate revenue for 
> > the program in the same ways that every BT coaches
>
>I know that's technically part of the coach's job, but I really think 
>our problems run deeper than a head coach here. We've all discussed the 
>factors ... many of which Walker is powerless to change (early start 
>times, pro sports city, etc.). His teams are exciting and he's building 
>a winning tradition. If that doesn't earn more fans in our situation, 
>who knows what will (I see from the Stanford-ND game that Stanford is 
>remodeling their stadium and shrinking it to 50,000 or so ... I don't 
>think we need to shrink Dyche, but you see the problems they have in a 
>pro market with many more alumni nearby than NU has ... on a side note, 
>flipping channels, maybe our NC game at Nevada next year isn't a 
>gimme).
>
> > because they generate a lot of money.  There are plenty of 
> > no-nonsense all-football coaches who have figured out how to do this 
> > (Carr, Tressel, Ferentz, etc.).
>
>Not sure I buy this. Carr walked into his situation and really hasn't 
>had to do much (or done much) to deal with the off-field state of the 
>program. And all Tressel did was beat Michigan (which was enough in
>Columbus:) ). These guys all had ready-made situations to step into and 
>really don't face the situation or circumstances Walker does.
>
>Again, I know you don't want a total a-hole who alienates fans ... but 
>so what if the guy's not Mr.
>Personality flashing a smile around town. The media may love that guy 
>for 15 minutes, but the sword is double-edged and can turn fast (ask 
>Barnett or Neuheisel). I don't want a snake-oil salesman. I want 
>someone who builds a winning program, and if Walker does that by 
>thriving on an "us vs. them" and tight-shipped atmosphere that doesn't 
>exactly win him personality points, fine with me.

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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sun Nov 27 11:09:15 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sun Nov 27 11:09:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
In-Reply-To: <20051127031105.18188.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051127031105.18188.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4389E83B.9080705@bellatlantic.net>

If I read it right, Miami of Ohio's coach is leaving to join the 
Illinois coaching staff as the defensive coordinator.  If this is 
accurate, how come Walker didn't go after him and if he did, why was he 
turned down?

John DeGroat

SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

>>I think that the grade any coach receives should
>>reflect the results at the
>>    
>>
>
>:) - maybe you should develop the new BCS formula,
>Jeff -- you really broke this down well!
>
>  
>
>>Any more points would be for improvement in previous
>>problem areas, or
>>deterioration in previous strong areas.  Defense and
>>special teams continue
>>    
>>
>
>I'm really hoping this improves next year -- the
>losses of Castillo/Clark and in Kenosha Howard just
>killed our D-line this year. Cofield was amazing
>considering he was alone most of the year ...
>hopefully next year we get better up front.
>
>As for LB, losing McGarrigle will be huge, but we'll
>have Roach ready to step into the monster LB role NU
>has developed the last decade plus.
>
>Where I expect to see the most improvement is our
>secondary -- losing Heinz and Backes hurt (as did a
>lack of pass rush). We have some speed back there now
>and Henderson improved throughout the year. Hopefully
>next year will see leaps and bounds here.
>
>Special teams? Well, maybe that new kicker is all
>that's advertised. But definitely a need area all
>around.
>
>  
>
>>did QB play.  The
>>running game was about where it was last year, which
>>was a pleasant
>>surprise. (up to B+).
>>    
>>
>
>Definitely -- considering Sutton wasn't even our
>backup before the season began, it was a nice
>surprise. Hopefully TS won't suffer the sophomore
>slump Peterson at OU had this year and our line will
>continue to improve.
>
>  
>
>>Finally you have to look at what RW is doing to
>>generate revenue for the
>>program in the same ways that every BT coaches
>>    
>>
>
>I know that's technically part of the coach's job, but
>I really think our problems run deeper than a head
>coach here. We've all discussed the factors ... many
>of which Walker is powerless to change (early start
>times, pro sports city, etc.). His teams are exciting
>and he's building a winning tradition. If that doesn't
>earn more fans in our situation, who knows what will
>(I see from the Stanford-ND game that Stanford is
>remodeling their stadium and shrinking it to 50,000 or
>so ... I don't think we need to shrink Dyche, but you
>see the problems they have in a pro market with many
>more alumni nearby than NU has ... on a side note,
>flipping channels, maybe our NC game at Nevada next
>year isn't a gimme).
>
>  
>
>>because they generate a lot of money.  There are
>>plenty of no-nonsense
>>all-football coaches who have figured out how to do
>>this (Carr, Tressel, Ferentz, etc.). 
>>    
>>
>
>Not sure I buy this. Carr walked into his situation
>and really hasn't had to do much (or done much) to
>deal with the off-field state of the program. And all
>Tressel did was beat Michigan (which was enough in
>Columbus:) ). These guys all had ready-made situations
>to step into and really don't face the situation or
>circumstances Walker does.
>
>Again, I know you don't want a total a-hole who
>alienates fans ... but so what if the guy's not Mr.
>Personality flashing a smile around town. The media
>may love that guy for 15 minutes, but the sword is
>double-edged and can turn fast (ask Barnett or
>Neuheisel). I don't want a snake-oil salesman. I want
>someone who builds a winning program, and if Walker
>does that by thriving on an "us vs. them" and
>tight-shipped atmosphere that doesn't exactly win him
>personality points, fine with me.
>
>  
>
>>If we win a bowl game it should go up to B+.  If we
>>lose, C-.
>>    
>>
>
>Well that's a bit harsh - little upside, big
>downside.:)
>
>I do want that bowl win though - we'll see who we play
>and how the matchup rates. In fairness to Barnett and
>Walker, in 3 of the past 4 bowls, we've played a
>preseason #1 so it's been a tough matchup. Thankfully,
>even if UCLA blows out SC this year, I don't think the
>Trojans will slip to the Sun Bowl.:)
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>
>* * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog@yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!!
>
>
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From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sun Nov 27 11:15:24 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sun Nov 27 11:16:03 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Terps go down...again
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Picking Vanderlinden to replace Walker would be a stroke of genius not 
likely to happen.  Not only would Vanderlinden be a great pick, but he 
could groom Fitzgerald as  his replacement when he got ready to retire,  
YOur observation that Walker doesn't want a threat to him around is 
right on.

John DeGroat

jhcclark@aol.com wrote:

> I had thought the same thing while watching the game.
>
> It bothered me unbelievably when Maryland promised Vanderlinden 5 
> years, and Vandy said he'd win the ACC crown at Maryland in five 
> years, and then the Twerps yanked him after year #4.  Friedgen then 
> takes Vandy's kids and goes 10-1 in Vandy's "fifth" year.  Glad to see 
> the Twerps are hurting.  I hope there is a lot of second-guessing 
> going on there.
>
> It also made me aware that the kids Joe Pa is winning with are kids 
> that more than likely were recruited by Vanderlinden.
>
> I've always wondered if Vandy would like to come back to Northwestern, 
> but with Walker as HC and Fitz as HC-in-waiting, I don't see this 
> happening.  I don't see Vandy taking the DC spot here and then moving 
> on in 5 years.  I also don't see Walker calling in an "equal" to be 
> his assistant -- too much opportunity to "compare" the 95 season to 
> now, too much competition in his own domain.  I see Vandy as HC here, 
> but not DC.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cherron604@aol.com
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:42:00 -0500
> Subject: [NU Sports] Terps go down...again
>
>   As an NU fan, and one who fondly remembers Ron Vanderlinden, it was 
> good to see
> Maryland and Ralph Friedgen fall to NCSU this afternoon.  Thats two 
> straight
> years of 5-6 and missing a bowl game for Friedgen, after three very 
> good years
> (31-8 his first three years).  It always felt like Friedgen 'stole' 
> the glory
> with the players Vandy recruited.  Now that it's his own recruits in 
> the system
> (years 4 and 5 of the Friedgen era), the results are turning back to 
> luke-warm,
> or worse.
>
> Vandy is currently coaching the LB's at Penn State.  The 92-96 
> defenses he
> coached at NU ought to be sufficient to land him another DC spot (if 
> he wanted
> it).  Does anybody know if he has sought out a DC role, or is he 
> waiting for
> Paterno to move on (maybe another decade ?)
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sun Nov 27 11:24:06 2005
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (prplehaze@insightbb.com)
Date: Sun Nov 27 11:24:54 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
Message-ID: <112720051724.7713.4389EBB60003ED8600001E2121979129950A960E080A049F9D9F@insightbb.com>

Exactly, it's a big part of the job, whether the coach likes it or not.  It
comes with the territory.  Granted, the AD has the primary responsibility for
the care and feeding of boosters, but coaches have to take care of their own
programs too.  If they want their particular programs to excel and get the money
they need for facilities and extras and all the things that make them
competitive on the national stage or even the conference stage, then they have
to make the effort to reach out to the alumni, boosters and fans who can and
will help to make that happen.  It may not be something that they want to do but
it is certainly something that they have to do and the sooner that Murphy sits
Walker down and demands that he do it, the better it will be for the future of
NU football.

I'm on record as not being one of the biggest Walker supporters around but I
will give him his due and congratulate him for a great season that has far
exceeded my expectations.  He deserves praise for that I think from everyone and
I'm thrilled by what this team accomplished.  I don't mean to belittle it or him
in any way by this thread.  I'm merely looking forward to what he and the
athletic department must do, in my opinion, to maintain and exceed what has been
accomplished this year.  

We all know we have an attendance problem and the media coverage we receive in
the Chicago papers makes me wonder if they even know where Evanston is, despite
the Medill degrees of many of the editors.  We need to penetrate the
consciousness of Chicagoland and that takes a constant media hammering from the
athletic department using every tool at its disposal, none more so than the head
coaches.  It's just part of the job and I hope that Murphy starts insisting on
Walker doing a show and other media appearances quickly.

Mark
--
Mark Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com


>  Lloyd Carr isn't the most social guy either, but he also does a lot of
> speaking during the off season at Alumni groups around the country.  He
> understands that part of his responsibility is to promote the program to
> those patrons who have the money to support it.
> 
> >From what I've heard, RW could improve in this area too.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Michael Vance
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 1:02 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ...
> 
> Unless I'm wrong, this goes back to the University's (in)ability to properly
> market NU athletics.  I know that technically, the coach has to agree to do
> a coach's show, but whose job is it to pitch the idea to a local station?
> We had the Gary Barnett Show on SportsChannel way back when, and I think we
> even had the Randy Walker Show for a season or two after that.  Then it went
> to the Seven-Minutes-At-The-End-Of-The-Sunday-Sports-Show with Randy Walker
> for a season or two, then nothing.  I don't care when it airs (the old GB
> show was on at something like 3:00 in the afternoon and the Lloyd Carr Show
> is on Sunday morning last I heard), just get something on the air!
> 
> If we aren't doing it because RW doesn't like to do a coach's show, then Mr.
> Murphy needs to tell him how it has to be.  I don't want a media hound for a
> coach either, but a coach has to be able to sell his program, not just to
> recruits, but to fans as well.
> 
> If we aren't doing a show because we can't sell the idea of 30 minutes
> devoted to NU sports to any of the local broadcast or cable stations, then
> we've got serious marketing problems at the University.
> 
> -Michael
> 
> At 11/26/2005 10:11 PM, SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\) wrote:
> > > Finally you have to look at what RW is doing to generate revenue for 
> > > the program in the same ways that every BT coaches
> >
> >I know that's technically part of the coach's job, but I really think 
> >our problems run deeper than a head coach here. We've all discussed the 
> >factors ... many of which Walker is powerless to change (early start 
> >times, pro sports city, etc.). His teams are exciting and he's building 
> >a winning tradition. If that doesn't earn more fans in our situation, 
> >who knows what will (I see from the Stanford-ND game that Stanford is 
> >remodeling their stadium and shrinking it to 50,000 or so ... I don't 
> >think we need to shrink Dyche, but you see the problems they have in a 
> >pro market with many more alumni nearby than NU has ... on a side note, 
> >flipping channels, maybe our NC game at Nevada next year isn't a 
> >gimme).
> >
> > > because they generate a lot of money.  There are plenty of 
> > > no-nonsense all-football coaches who have figured out how to do this 
> > > (Carr, Tressel, Ferentz, etc.).
> >
> >Not sure I buy this. Carr walked into his situation and really hasn't 
> >had to do much (or done much) to deal with the off-field state of the 
> >program. And all Tressel did was beat Michigan (which was enough in
> >Columbus:) ). These guys all had ready-made situations to step into and 
> >really don't face the situation or circumstances Walker does.
> >
> >Again, I know you don't want a total a-hole who alienates fans ... but 
> >so what if the guy's not Mr.
> >Personality flashing a smile around town. The media may love that guy 
> >for 15 minutes, but the sword is double-edged and can turn fast (ask 
> >Barnett or Neuheisel). I don't want a snake-oil salesman. I want 
> >someone who builds a winning program, and if Walker does that by 
> >thriving on an "us vs. them" and tight-shipped atmosphere that doesn't 
> >exactly win him personality points, fine with me.
> 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 12:15:52 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 27 12:15:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ... (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511271815.jARIFqww013936@romaine.tssi.com>

> Exactly, it's a big part of the job, whether the coach likes it or not.  

There is a big assumption being made in this argument, which is that
Walker is the stumbling block.

My guess is that there is no half-hour or longer coach's show for 
Northwestern football because either the contract with WGN is too 
restrictive or the market is such that NU couldn't PAY stations to 
carry it.

Surely we have enough media-savvy people on this list to find out the
real story here.
--
Mike Nolan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 12:41:04 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 27 12:41:07 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Terps go down...again (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511271841.jARIf4oZ014221@romaine.tssi.com>

> Picking Vanderlinden to replace Walker would be a stroke of genius not 
> likely to happen.  Not only would Vanderlinden be a great pick, but he 
> could groom Fitzgerald as  his replacement when he got ready to retire,  

Vanderlinden may be one of those coaches who makes a much better DC than 
a head coach.  (See Wannstedt, Dave.)

Based on what I heard about his years at Maryland, he flubbed that 
opportunity and alienated himself from the fans and the administration 
before his on-the-field results could overcome his off-the-field 
weaknesses.

What is there that makes you think he would succeed as a head coach if 
given a second chance?

Why could Vanderlinden do a good job of grooming Fitz and Walker not
do the same thing?  I think Fitz is a few years away from being ready
to move up to DC.  Unfortunately, I don't know if Walker can wait that
long to do something about the quality of his defensive teams.

> YOur observation that Walker doesn't want a threat to him around is 
> right on.

On what do you base that statement?

This is a discussion list, you have to give the reasoning behind your 
arguments for them to be persuasive.
--
Mike Nolan

From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov 27 13:27:14 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov 27 13:28:03 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz' future
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At 11/27/2005 01:41 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
>Why could Vanderlinden do a good job of grooming Fitz and Walker not
>do the same thing?  I think Fitz is a few years away from being ready
>to move up to DC.  Unfortunately, I don't know if Walker can wait that
>long to do something about the quality of his defensive teams.

Since this whole discussion of Fitz as heir apparent began, there's been 
one thing nagging at me: Is it realistic, or even desirable, to expect Fitz 
to spend the remainder of his coaching career at NU?  And actually, would 
it be best for him and the program to do that or would it be better for him 
to learn from as many people as he can, perhaps taking the LB or DC job 
under an established defensive guru (any names are escaping me at the 
moment) before returning to NU as DC or Head Coach?

I see some substantial problems with the idea of him staying at NU for the 
duration:

1) For him to move up, Greg Colby would have to move out.  For that to 
happen, the defense would either have to not improve significantly, 
resulting in Colby's firing, or it would have to improve drastically, 
resulting in Colby getting a higher-prestige DC or head coaching offer.

2) In the first of these scenarios (the defense not improving), it's 
doubtful that we would continue to win enough games for Walker to keep his 
job.  If Walker gets canned, the whole staff probably goes with him.  There 
are always exceptions to that, and out of everyone on the current coaching 
staff, Fitz would be the most likely to be retained by a new coach.  But 
it's still unlikely.

3) If the defense improves enough for Colby to keep his job, but for 
whatever reason not move on to another opportunity, that leaves Fitz stuck 
at a position coaching spot indefinitely.  He would have to look for a DC 
job elsewhere.

4) Once Colby is gone, he would still have to wait out Walker 
retiring.  The same rules apply.  If we continue to be a winning program, 
Fitz would probably be a hot commodity on the coaching market.  If we lose, 
especially because of defensive woes, then Fitz "loses," too.  Would he 
have the patience to wait out Walker's retirement, even for the head 
coaching job at his alma mater?  Maybe, maybe not.  Would the money and 
potential prestige of a head coaching job elsewhere be to much to resist?

A lot of coaches start out their coaching careers at their alma mater, as a 
grad assistant or low-level position coach, and then move on, intending to 
return.  Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't.  One example that we 
are all familiar with is Gary Barnett.  Writers on this list have often 
said that GB is in his "dream job" at Colorado.  But if you remember from 
his book (for those who haven't burned it), his dream job is actually at 
his alma mater, Missouri.  CU is just a very close second.  Would GB ditch 
Colorado for Missouri if he was offered the job today?  Who knows.

Personally, I would have no problem with Fitz leaving to take a DC position 
elsewhere, especially if it was under a head coach or at a school with a 
strong defensive tradition.  Aside from the fact that he'd be on the other 
side of the field, I would even understand if he went to PSU as LB coach if 
JoePa retired and Vandy moved up to DC.  It is "Linebacker U."  I don't see 
that happening -- I don't think he'd go to another Big Ten school, although 
working for VanderLinden would be tempting -- but something along those 
lines is perfectly within the realm of possibility.  I wouldn't even mind 
him getting his first head coaching experience somewhere else and then 
coming back with that under his belt.  It would be a shame to lose him for 
the years he was gone, but it might pay off in the long run.

Any thoughts?

-Michael 

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 13:38:35 2005
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 27 13:40:04 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ... (fwd)
Message-ID: <1e6.48b1a19a.30bb653b@aol.com>

Not that you all do not know it, but the fact is that Northwestern  
University has chosen not to position itself as an athletic institution.   The message 
could be made to the Chicago and national media that NU is serious  about 
athletics but that would p. o. a lot of faculty.  This attitude  is out of date 
and counter productive IMHO. Our AD, RW and various marketers are  probably 
champing at the bit stuck in their mouth by history and an  anti-jock mentality 
among the f*ckelty (sic).
 
 
 



My guess is that there is no half-hour or longer coach's show  for 
Northwestern football because either the contract with WGN is too  
restrictive or the market is such that NU couldn't PAY stations to  
carry it.

Surely we have enough media-savvy people on this list to  find out the
real story here.
--
Mike Nolan



From loomis3 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 27 20:15:12 2005
From: loomis3 at sbcglobal.net (Frank F. Loomis III)
Date: Sun Nov 27 20:16:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Would we hire this coach?
Message-ID: <20051128021512.24516.qmail@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Most of us likely agree that right now Bienen and Murphy are considering whether to give RW a contract renewal or extension.

And based on his 7-4 season with spectacular, unexpected wins, plus some super wins in previous years, it?s easy to see why most are in favor of giving him another contract. 

But to let such results decide this matter without giving equal weight to RW?s entire seven year record ( 445 losing one), seems improvident and inappropriate.

Here?s why:

A renewal or extension of RW?S contract, logically should be considered on this basis: If RW were applying for this job, based on his NU-seven-year record, would we hire him? 



Would we hire a coach who on offense generally has had an outstanding record with a few exceptions?: like his sometimes-poor-clock management, failure to give field goal and kick-off kicking its proper due, and other-during-games gaffes like not pulling Baz after he had suffered a dazing head injury which caused him to throw three-consecutive interceptions that lost the 2002 Air Force game. And some of you probably can cite other offense-mistakes he has made in his seven years. But nonetheless, overall on offense he has provided us with some extraordinarily exciting football.

On the other hand, as many have pointed out, his seven year record on defense has been horrific! Yet, here and now there?s no point in flogging the dead horse. His defensive inadequacies are indisputable! 

Anyway, would we hire a coach who is 50% terrific and 50 % horrific! 

I say NO! 

 



 

 

 

From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sun Nov 27 20:45:34 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sun Nov 27 20:46:01 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz' future
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051127135530.03e535c0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20051127135530.03e535c0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
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Answer: because Walker hasn't demonstrated that he will, can or maybe 
wants to.  Vanderlinden without doubt learned more under Barnett and Joe 
Pa than Walker will ever know.

John DeGroat

Michael Vance wrote:

> At 11/27/2005 01:41 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
>
>> Why could Vanderlinden do a good job of grooming Fitz and Walker not
>> do the same thing?  I think Fitz is a few years away from being ready
>> to move up to DC.  Unfortunately, I don't know if Walker can wait that
>> long to do something about the quality of his defensive teams.
>
>
> Since this whole discussion of Fitz as heir apparent began, there's 
> been one thing nagging at me: Is it realistic, or even desirable, to 
> expect Fitz to spend the remainder of his coaching career at NU?  And 
> actually, would it be best for him and the program to do that or would 
> it be better for him to learn from as many people as he can, perhaps 
> taking the LB or DC job under an established defensive guru (any names 
> are escaping me at the moment) before returning to NU as DC or Head 
> Coach?
>
> I see some substantial problems with the idea of him staying at NU for 
> the duration:
>
> 1) For him to move up, Greg Colby would have to move out.  For that to 
> happen, the defense would either have to not improve significantly, 
> resulting in Colby's firing, or it would have to improve drastically, 
> resulting in Colby getting a higher-prestige DC or head coaching offer.
>
> 2) In the first of these scenarios (the defense not improving), it's 
> doubtful that we would continue to win enough games for Walker to keep 
> his job.  If Walker gets canned, the whole staff probably goes with 
> him.  There are always exceptions to that, and out of everyone on the 
> current coaching staff, Fitz would be the most likely to be retained 
> by a new coach.  But it's still unlikely.
>
> 3) If the defense improves enough for Colby to keep his job, but for 
> whatever reason not move on to another opportunity, that leaves Fitz 
> stuck at a position coaching spot indefinitely.  He would have to look 
> for a DC job elsewhere.
>
> 4) Once Colby is gone, he would still have to wait out Walker 
> retiring.  The same rules apply.  If we continue to be a winning 
> program, Fitz would probably be a hot commodity on the coaching 
> market.  If we lose, especially because of defensive woes, then Fitz 
> "loses," too.  Would he have the patience to wait out Walker's 
> retirement, even for the head coaching job at his alma mater?  Maybe, 
> maybe not.  Would the money and potential prestige of a head coaching 
> job elsewhere be to much to resist?
>
> A lot of coaches start out their coaching careers at their alma mater, 
> as a grad assistant or low-level position coach, and then move on, 
> intending to return.  Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't.  
> One example that we are all familiar with is Gary Barnett.  Writers on 
> this list have often said that GB is in his "dream job" at Colorado.  
> But if you remember from his book (for those who haven't burned it), 
> his dream job is actually at his alma mater, Missouri.  CU is just a 
> very close second.  Would GB ditch Colorado for Missouri if he was 
> offered the job today?  Who knows.
>
> Personally, I would have no problem with Fitz leaving to take a DC 
> position elsewhere, especially if it was under a head coach or at a 
> school with a strong defensive tradition.  Aside from the fact that 
> he'd be on the other side of the field, I would even understand if he 
> went to PSU as LB coach if JoePa retired and Vandy moved up to DC.  It 
> is "Linebacker U."  I don't see that happening -- I don't think he'd 
> go to another Big Ten school, although working for VanderLinden would 
> be tempting -- but something along those lines is perfectly within the 
> realm of possibility.  I wouldn't even mind him getting his first head 
> coaching experience somewhere else and then coming back with that 
> under his belt.  It would be a shame to lose him for the years he was 
> gone, but it might pay off in the long run.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -Michael
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 21:33:35 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 27 21:33:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz' future (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511280333.jAS3XZTs019561@romaine.tssi.com>

> Answer: because Walker hasn't demonstrated that he will, can or maybe 
> wants to.  Vanderlinden without doubt learned more under Barnett and Joe 
> Pa than Walker will ever know.
> 
> John DeGroat

All conclusions offered without evidence.
--
Mike Nolan

From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Sun Nov 27 20:42:05 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Sun Nov 27 21:43:11 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Our 2005 schedule in retrospect ... (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <1e6.48b1a19a.30bb653b@aol.com>
References: <1e6.48b1a19a.30bb653b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <438A6E7D.10304@bellatlantic.net>

You're probably right, but Bienen also likes to haul in big bucks for NU 
as demonstrated by his willingness to name just about anything after 
anyone who forks over enough money.  He can't be oblivious to the fact 
that winning programs mean butts in the seats, more revenue, bigger and 
more donations and more sales of Wildcat products.  Let's not give up.

John DeGroat

MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:

>Not that you all do not know it, but the fact is that Northwestern  
>University has chosen not to position itself as an athletic institution.   The message 
>could be made to the Chicago and national media that NU is serious  about 
>athletics but that would p. o. a lot of faculty.  This attitude  is out of date 
>and counter productive IMHO. Our AD, RW and various marketers are  probably 
>champing at the bit stuck in their mouth by history and an  anti-jock mentality 
>among the f*ckelty (sic).
> 
> 
> 
>
>
>
>My guess is that there is no half-hour or longer coach's show  for 
>Northwestern football because either the contract with WGN is too  
>restrictive or the market is such that NU couldn't PAY stations to  
>carry it.
>
>Surely we have enough media-savvy people on this list to  find out the
>real story here.
>--
>Mike Nolan
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nwu-sports site list
>nwu-sports@tssi.com
>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>  
>

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 27 21:48:10 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov 27 22:00:28 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Would we hire this coach?
References: <20051128021512.24516.qmail@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438A7DFA.70203@earthlink.net>

>
>
>would we hire a coach who is 50% terrific and 50 % horrific! 
>
>I say NO! 
>
>  
>
I say:  give it a rest.  Some of us want to enjoy the bowl game, okay?!


From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov 27 22:40:58 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov 27 23:56:07 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz' future
In-Reply-To: <438A6F4E.8000608@bellatlantic.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20051127135530.03e535c0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20051127135530.03e535c0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
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OK, John, we get it.  You don't like Randy Walker.  But I really was trying 
to get a thoughtful discussion about Pat Fitzgerald's future going 
here.  The topic, as I presented it, was only tangentially related to 
Walker's competence.  As far as I can tell, you responded to the quote of 
Mike's that I kept and didn't even look at the new material.

If you're correct, and the Randy Walker House of Cards is about to come 
collapsing down around us, then my second bullet becomes the one that you 
would want to pay attention to and respond to.  Do you see a scenario where 
RW could lose his job and we keep Fitz?  Would we even want that to 
happen?  Or would we be better off wishing him well wherever he landed, 
comfortable in the knowledge that he would eventually return to his beloved 
NU and lead us to the Promised Land?  If you have something thoughtful and 
insightful to add to that discussion, then I'd love to hear it.  But if all 
you have is "Fire Randy Walker," no matter how  you rephrase it, then let 
it be.

-Michael

At 11/27/2005 09:45 PM, John A. DeGroat wrote:
>Answer: because Walker hasn't demonstrated that he will, can or maybe 
>wants to.  Vanderlinden without doubt learned more under Barnett and Joe 
>Pa than Walker will ever know.
>
>John DeGroat
>
>Michael Vance wrote:
>
>>At 11/27/2005 01:41 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
>>
>>>Why could Vanderlinden do a good job of grooming Fitz and Walker not
>>>do the same thing?  I think Fitz is a few years away from being ready
>>>to move up to DC.  Unfortunately, I don't know if Walker can wait that
>>>long to do something about the quality of his defensive teams.
>>
>>
>>Since this whole discussion of Fitz as heir apparent began, there's been 
>>one thing nagging at me: Is it realistic, or even desirable, to expect 
>>Fitz to spend the remainder of his coaching career at NU?  And actually, 
>>would it be best for him and the program to do that or would it be better 
>>for him to learn from as many people as he can, perhaps taking the LB or 
>>DC job under an established defensive guru (any names are escaping me at 
>>the moment) before returning to NU as DC or Head Coach?
>>
>>I see some substantial problems with the idea of him staying at NU for 
>>the duration:
>>
>>1) For him to move up, Greg Colby would have to move out.  For that to 
>>happen, the defense would either have to not improve significantly, 
>>resulting in Colby's firing, or it would have to improve drastically, 
>>resulting in Colby getting a higher-prestige DC or head coaching offer.
>>
>>2) In the first of these scenarios (the defense not improving), it's 
>>doubtful that we would continue to win enough games for Walker to keep 
>>his job.  If Walker gets canned, the whole staff probably goes with 
>>him.  There are always exceptions to that, and out of everyone on the 
>>current coaching staff, Fitz would be the most likely to be retained by a 
>>new coach.  But it's still unlikely.
>>
>>3) If the defense improves enough for Colby to keep his job, but for 
>>whatever reason not move on to another opportunity, that leaves Fitz 
>>stuck at a position coaching spot indefinitely.  He would have to look 
>>for a DC job elsewhere.
>>
>>4) Once Colby is gone, he would still have to wait out Walker 
>>retiring.  The same rules apply.  If we continue to be a winning program, 
>>Fitz would probably be a hot commodity on the coaching market.  If we 
>>lose, especially because of defensive woes, then Fitz "loses," 
>>too.  Would he have the patience to wait out Walker's retirement, even 
>>for the head coaching job at his alma mater?  Maybe, maybe not.  Would 
>>the money and potential prestige of a head coaching job elsewhere be to 
>>much to resist?
>>
>>A lot of coaches start out their coaching careers at their alma mater, as 
>>a grad assistant or low-level position coach, and then move on, intending 
>>to return.  Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't.
>>One example that we are all familiar with is Gary Barnett.  Writers on 
>>this list have often said that GB is in his "dream job" at Colorado.
>>But if you remember from his book (for those who haven't burned it), his 
>>dream job is actually at his alma mater, Missouri.  CU is just a very 
>>close second.  Would GB ditch Colorado for Missouri if he was offered the 
>>job today?  Who knows.
>>
>>Personally, I would have no problem with Fitz leaving to take a DC 
>>position elsewhere, especially if it was under a head coach or at a 
>>school with a strong defensive tradition.  Aside from the fact that he'd 
>>be on the other side of the field, I would even understand if he went to 
>>PSU as LB coach if JoePa retired and Vandy moved up to DC.  It is 
>>"Linebacker U."  I don't see that happening -- I don't think he'd go to 
>>another Big Ten school, although working for VanderLinden would be 
>>tempting -- but something along those lines is perfectly within the realm 
>>of possibility.  I wouldn't even mind him getting his first head coaching 
>>experience somewhere else and then coming back with that under his 
>>belt.  It would be a shame to lose him for the years he was gone, but it 
>>might pay off in the long run.
>>
>>Any thoughts?
>>
>>-Michael
>>_______________________________________________
>>nwu-sports site list
>>nwu-sports@tssi.com
>>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Sun Nov 27 22:39:38 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov 28 01:50:02 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Would we hire this coach?
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Jim Bendat wrote:

>> would we hire a coach who is 50% terrific and 50 % horrific! 
>> I say NO!
>> 
> I say:  give it a rest.  Some of us want to enjoy the bowl game, okay?!

Hear, hear!

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 28 07:35:11 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 28 07:35:20 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Ron V at Maryland
Message-ID: <000701c5f420$8ebc8ee0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Since I drive around listening to the radio station that carried Maryland games
until this year, and have in-laws who are huge Maryland fans, I thought I'd try
to explain some of the talk that I heard regarding Ron Vanderlinden's early
dismissal from Maryland a few years ago [anyway, to the best of my knowledge].

1. The powers that be at MD didn't like the way the team was playing. They'd
recruited a lot of stud HS kids from Maryland, but the team was mediocre at
best. They couldn't beat anyone important.

2. The players didn't think they had to go to class. After Fridge was hired, he
had a rule that you had to go and if you cut a class you had to run the football
stands at 6 AM. He told the story about the first week he was there, it seemed
that most of the football team was out there running the grandstand. By the end
of the semester, there was one kid left. He told this on one of the radio
Coach's show on WBAL.

3. The new AD at Maryland saw a chance to hire an alum who had a reputation for
building an offense, and who was very good at working with alumni, just the way
they had resurrected the Basketball program a few years before.

4. I gather that the alums weren't very forthcoming with money to improve the
stadium at Maryland during Vanderlinden's tenure. The Fridge was able to get
enough money to make major renovations his first year.

5. Vanderlinden used to get very angry on WBAL during his coach's show at some
of the call-in questions. Quite frankly he sounded very arrogant at times,
talked down to some of the callers [they were the same guys, so he was probably
tired of their questions], and could sound pretty hostile, while talking to fans
on a radio station that covers all of MD during the day, and most of the
north-east at night. 

He started the Maryland-Vanderlinden school of coach radio shows - MD's
basketball coach will also get surly at times, but then he's won a national
championship and beaten Duke at home.

6. Fridge is 10x better at working the alumni - he holds a football breakfast
for season ticket holders on Friday before each home games and answers questions
until the fans are done. [My in-laws go every week] He's always personable,
open, and in their opinion friendly and funny. I get the impression from my
in-laws, long time Maryland fans, that Vanderlinden was not that way.

7. Vanderlinden did recruit well while at Maryland, but just couldn't win the
"big" games against the top of the ACC. His tenure coincided with the rise of
Virginia Tech, the rebirth of Georgia Tech and improvements at many of the ACC
teams. Quite honestly, it looked like Maryland, another team located in a top
media market, just wasn't going to get any better, regardless of how well the
coach recruited.

8. Remember too that Pat Fitzgerald was a grad assistant at Maryland, but left
very quickly to return to Colorado. He admits to having been on the MD staff,
but doesn't talk much about his time in College Park, at least not the way he
talks about his other assistant coach positions. I don't think he enjoyed his
time here on the East Coast, but that's an impression, not fact.

To his credit, Ron Vanderlinden did some amazing things with the NU defense, and
remember he did them with the same D-Back coach that we have now. Gary B's teams
since 1996/97 have not been as good defensively as they were with Van, but the
PSU defense with him as an assistant is as good as they've been in years. 

Turning to the record book - 
NU's defense was on the losing end of 8 games in 1992, 9 games in 93, and 7 in
94 before turning the corner in 1995, and continuing in 1996. Our present DC has
been here 3 years, his teams lost 7 games in 2003, 6 in 2004 and 4 this year.
Statistically, Colby is ahead of Van heading into his 4th year. I'm not sure
where either coordinator is in regards to yards allowed, etc, but under Colby's
first 3 years, NU is 5 wins better than during Van's first 3 years. 

Anyway, remember that OUR football coach is under contract until 2007. 

I think all the hire/fire/renew/don't renew talk is just a little premature when
you're talking about 3 6 win seasons, a 7-4 record, and 2 years left on a
contract, don't you? Or are you fire Walker guys confusing us with that other
"NU" a few states over?

Go Cats

rsl

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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 28 07:58:43 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 28 08:40:25 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz' future
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051127135530.03e535c0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <022901c5f423$d86d6d90$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

Probably too much here to comment on completely, but I did want to point out
that programs like PSU and UoM where head coaches tend to stick around for a
while, they also have assistants who tend to stick around for a while.
That's because these programs make enough money to pay their assistants very
well.  There is still a fair amount of movement for those who aspire to head
coaching jobs, but there are also those who aspire to succeed the current
head coach.  They demonstrate their qualifications by helping the program
win and their loyalty by turning down offers to go other places.  So I would
suggest that it is certainly possible, if this ends up being a retirement
position for RW, that Fitz could still be groomed as a successor within the
system.  That scenario would play out if the defense doesn't improve over
the next season or two.  RW has proven he can post a winning season with a
weak defense, so I'm not sure continued weakness on defense results in RW
getting fired as long as the offense continues to perform.  IF that
situation occurs, Colby is the only one at risk.  RW replaces Colby with
Fitz and now you've got a succession plan.

Jeff
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Vance
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:27 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz' future

At 11/27/2005 01:41 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
>Why could Vanderlinden do a good job of grooming Fitz and Walker not do 
>the same thing?  I think Fitz is a few years away from being ready to 
>move up to DC.  Unfortunately, I don't know if Walker can wait that 
>long to do something about the quality of his defensive teams.

Since this whole discussion of Fitz as heir apparent began, there's been one
thing nagging at me: Is it realistic, or even desirable, to expect Fitz to
spend the remainder of his coaching career at NU?  And actually, would it be
best for him and the program to do that or would it be better for him to
learn from as many people as he can, perhaps taking the LB or DC job under
an established defensive guru (any names are escaping me at the
moment) before returning to NU as DC or Head Coach?

I see some substantial problems with the idea of him staying at NU for the
duration:

1) For him to move up, Greg Colby would have to move out.  For that to
happen, the defense would either have to not improve significantly,
resulting in Colby's firing, or it would have to improve drastically,
resulting in Colby getting a higher-prestige DC or head coaching offer.

2) In the first of these scenarios (the defense not improving), it's
doubtful that we would continue to win enough games for Walker to keep his
job.  If Walker gets canned, the whole staff probably goes with him.  There
are always exceptions to that, and out of everyone on the current coaching
staff, Fitz would be the most likely to be retained by a new coach.  But
it's still unlikely.

3) If the defense improves enough for Colby to keep his job, but for
whatever reason not move on to another opportunity, that leaves Fitz stuck
at a position coaching spot indefinitely.  He would have to look for a DC
job elsewhere.

4) Once Colby is gone, he would still have to wait out Walker retiring.  The
same rules apply.  If we continue to be a winning program, Fitz would
probably be a hot commodity on the coaching market.  If we lose, especially
because of defensive woes, then Fitz "loses," too.  Would he have the
patience to wait out Walker's retirement, even for the head coaching job at
his alma mater?  Maybe, maybe not.  Would the money and potential prestige
of a head coaching job elsewhere be to much to resist?

A lot of coaches start out their coaching careers at their alma mater, as a
grad assistant or low-level position coach, and then move on, intending to
return.  Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't.  One example that we
are all familiar with is Gary Barnett.  Writers on this list have often said
that GB is in his "dream job" at Colorado.  But if you remember from his
book (for those who haven't burned it), his dream job is actually at his
alma mater, Missouri.  CU is just a very close second.  Would GB ditch
Colorado for Missouri if he was offered the job today?  Who knows.

Personally, I would have no problem with Fitz leaving to take a DC position
elsewhere, especially if it was under a head coach or at a school with a
strong defensive tradition.  Aside from the fact that he'd be on the other
side of the field, I would even understand if he went to PSU as LB coach if
JoePa retired and Vandy moved up to DC.  It is "Linebacker U."  I don't see
that happening -- I don't think he'd go to another Big Ten school, although
working for VanderLinden would be tempting -- but something along those
lines is perfectly within the realm of possibility.  I wouldn't even mind
him getting his first head coaching experience somewhere else and then
coming back with that under his belt.  It would be a shame to lose him for
the years he was gone, but it might pay off in the long run.

Any thoughts?

-Michael 

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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Mon Nov 28 08:57:22 2005
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 28 08:58:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz' future (fwd)
Message-ID: <15b.5dcaee55.30bc74d2@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/27/2005 9:35:11 PM Central Standard Time,  
nolan@romaine.tssi.com writes:

All  conclusions offered without evidence.



I would venture to guess that ninety percent of the "conclusions" offered  on 
this list are offered without hard evidence. As a matter of fact they are  
offered with precious little evidence. To my eyes the opinions voiced are  just 
that -- opinions. Very insightful opinions
Don Williams 
C55
From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Mon Nov 28 09:00:59 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Mon Nov 28 09:01:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Walker
In-Reply-To: <022901c5f423$d86d6d90$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
References: <022901c5f423$d86d6d90$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <438B1BAB.9060501@bellatlantic.net>

To those who don't like to read complaints about Walker, does anyone 
know of any school or pro team that has come after Walker?  If any have 
tried to recruit him I'm not aware of it.  If none have, what does that 
tell you?

I agree that it is great that NU is going to a bowl game.

John DeGroat

>  
>

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 28 09:21:19 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 28 09:21:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/28
Message-ID: <000a01c5f42f$627d8280$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Weekend Wrapup Edition



        All the News that Fits We Link
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      Northwestern University Athletics

Its Reading Week at NU

BASKETBALL

     Men:
     Northwestern's Rally Comes Up Short in 59-49 Loss at DePaul
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112605aaa.html 
     + Vukusic's 22 Not Enough: DePaul 59 NU 49
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/471363.html 
     + Demons' balance says it all
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051127031
9nov27,1,7498784.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + DePaul dumps Cats
      http://www.nuhoops.com/2005/11/depaul_dumps_cats.html 
     + Talent level calls recruiting into question
      http://www.nuhoops.com/2005/11/talent_level_calls_recruiting.html 

     $ ESPN Preview
      http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=1904525 

     A couple of pay per view
     DePaul vs. Northwestern AP Photo Gallery
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=471623 
     $ DePaul vs. Northwestern Postgame Audio
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=471423 

     Box score
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051126depaulnubox,1,17
58272.storylink?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     From the DePaul Blue Demons
     Men's Basketball Posts First Win of the Season
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=2&ID=2540 
     + Blue Demons Gain Confidence in First Win
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=471390 
     + Demons rebound vs. NU
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu27.html 
     + Young Blue Demons adapt for first win
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/depaul.asp?id=125914 
     + Demons gain satisfaction
      http://www.nwherald.com/SportsSection/college/370730561368915.php 
     + Game Summary
 
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15646233&BRD=1918&PAG=740&dept_id=3559
13&rfi=6 

     DePaul vs. Northwestern Postgame Audio
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=471423 

     Next Up @ Virginia [11/30]
     Virginia Falls At No. 9 Arizona, 81-51
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112705aaa.html 
     + Cold Shooting Dooms Virginia 81-51 In AZ
      http://virginia.scout.com/2/471772.html 
     + Virginia stumbles at Zona
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768388462&path=%21sports 
     + The Wildcats run away in second half
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768388408&path=%21sports 

     ESPN's found a place to "dump" NU & PSU games
     2005 Big Ten / ACC Challenge Tips Off Monday
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112405aab.html 
     + 2004 Challenge
      http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/feature/featureStory?page=bigaccchallenge 
     + Big Ten looking to take best shot at ACC
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-herb28.html 

     Women
     Okonkwo Guides 'Cats to 81-78 Victory
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/112605aab.html 

FOOTBALL

     Terry Bannon has a pretty good analysis of the Bowl picture
     NU takes step closer to Sun
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-051128006
4nov28,1,6974495.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     Waiting to Bowl...
      http://wnursports.blogspot.com/2005/11/waiting-to-bowl.html 
     Little mystery in probable BCS lineup
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-crep28x.html 

Recruiting

     Jeremy Nash Northwestern Signee Gets MVP
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=471648&nid=2006683&fhn=1&refid=4742

     Bryan McCann Westside Connections
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=471789&nid=1968941&fhn=1&refid=4742


LACROSSE

     Amonte Hiller Announces 2006 Schedule
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-lacros/spec-rel/112705aaa.html 

VOLLEYBALL

     Northwestern Bound For NCAA Tournament
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/112705aab.html 

     IU closes out season on 10-match losing streak
      http://www.idsnews.com/subsite/story.php?id=32716 

MISCELLANY

     Colorado, Florida State aim monkey wrenches at BCS
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=152 
     CU promises change after audit criticizes foundation spending
      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2217775 

ALUMNI

     Luis Castillo Plenty to be thankful for
      http://www.chargers.com/news/headline_detail.cfm?news_key=2438 

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov 28 10:09:35 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 28 10:13:37 2005
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] Walt Harris IS incompetent
Message-ID: <237.2740101.30bc85bf@aol.com>

 
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 10:13:14 2005
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov 28 10:14:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Opinions
In-Reply-To: <15b.5dcaee55.30bc74d2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051128161314.48575.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> I would venture to guess that ninety percent of the "conclusions"
> offered  on 
> this list are offered without hard evidence. 

Opinions are one thing--personal attacks on coaches, administrators, or
players is quite another. 

It's one thing to offer an opinion that NU's defense wasn't very good
this year, or even an opinion that Randy Walker isn't a good coach.

But to suggest that Walker is some sort of control freak who would
never have anyone on his staff talented enough to some day replace him
seems way, way out of bounds to me, without some strong evidence to
support such a case. 

I'd really prefer that we leave the personal assualts to the political
blogs. Or to the Ohio State fans.

Tom

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov 28 10:15:53 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 28 10:19:59 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <243.26f091c.30bc8739@aol.com>


> Painfully watching the last few minutes of the Stanford-Evil Empire game.? 
> Stanford scored a touchdown with 1:46 to take a lead, then let the opponent 
> drive 80 yards in 51 seconds (!) to take the lead right back.? (Sound turned 
> down because Keith Jackson's incessant cheerleading is even more tiresome than 
> his usual blowhard commentary)
> 
> Could it be - a defense as bad as (or worse than) Greg Colby's ?
> 
> The only positive - if team Evil does make a BCS bowl (unworthily), here's 
> hoping that they get embarrassed.
> 
> Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
> 
> 

And one example is hardly indicative, but the Stanford QB, with presumably 
high SAT's spiked the ball on 3rd down with seconds remaining , allowing them 
only one more play? with about 70 + yards to go

Harry
From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Mon Nov 28 10:46:58 2005
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris Patterson)
Date: Mon Nov 28 10:54:35 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Opinions
In-Reply-To: <20051128161314.48575.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801c5f43b$5af60e90$7000a8c0@hawk>

AMEN!

Unfortunately, it appears some on this list must have received "fan"
training from some folks in Ohio, too.

Chris Patterson
Knoxville, TN (where the vast, vast majority of fans are good)
Go CATS!
Tech '81


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Maycock
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:13 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Opinions

> I would venture to guess that ninety percent of the "conclusions"
> offered  on 
> this list are offered without hard evidence. 

Opinions are one thing--personal attacks on coaches, administrators, or
players is quite another. 

It's one thing to offer an opinion that NU's defense wasn't very good
this year, or even an opinion that Randy Walker isn't a good coach.

But to suggest that Walker is some sort of control freak who would
never have anyone on his staff talented enough to some day replace him
seems way, way out of bounds to me, without some strong evidence to
support such a case. 

I'd really prefer that we leave the personal assualts to the political
blogs. Or to the Ohio State fans.

Tom

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 10:57:33 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov 28 10:58:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <243.26f091c.30bc8739@aol.com>
References: <243.26f091c.30bc8739@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511280857v79b52eaao59d407f6dc0ff73f@mail.gmail.com>

What is interesting is that he probably made the right decision
spiking the ball if the refs had handled the clock correctly on the
preceeding play.  On the prior play, the QB was correctly called for
intentional grounding as he threw a shovel pass to nobody (that didn't
even make it to the line of scrimmage) while he was clearly inside the
tackle box.  The penalty for the play is a loss of down and the ball
spotted at the point of the foul.  The clock, for some reason,
remained stopped, even after the ball was spotted.  The clock should
have been restarted when the ball was spotted after the penalty, since
stopping the clock would benefit the penalized team (and since an
intentional ground penalty is the same as if the QB were sacked, in
which case the clock would keep running).

Of course a smart QB would have taken the free clock stopage to call a
play (then again this was the backup Stanford QB that was in after the
starter was injured earlier).  The game wasn't lost on that final
drive, though, it was lost when Walt Harris put in the prevent defense
(which, as noted by the commentators who made almost no coherent
comments besides this one: the prevent defense only prevents a win)
and Notre Dame ate it up.  Stanford did a reasonable job slowing down
the ND offense until that point, when they allowed the WRs to run
around like crazy and eat up yards.

In any case, we'll probably see ND-OSU in the Fiesta Bowl unless some
large upset happens in the conference championship games or UCLA-USC
this weekend (or the Oregon lobby actually works).

Jonathan

On 11/28/05, Hakirsch@aol.com <Hakirsch@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Painfully watching the last few minutes of the Stanford-Evil Empire game.
> > Stanford scored a touchdown with 1:46 to take a lead, then let the opponent
> > drive 80 yards in 51 seconds (!) to take the lead right back. (Sound turned
> > down because Keith Jackson's incessant cheerleading is even more tiresome than
> > his usual blowhard commentary)
> >
> > Could it be - a defense as bad as (or worse than) Greg Colby's ?
> >
> > The only positive - if team Evil does make a BCS bowl (unworthily), here's
> > hoping that they get embarrassed.
> >
> > Chuck Herron Tech '85
> >
> >
>
> And one example is hardly indicative, but the Stanford QB, with presumably
> high SAT's spiked the ball on 3rd down with seconds remaining , allowing them
> only one more play with about 70 + yards to go
>
> Harry
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 28 12:03:34 2005
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 28 12:09:17 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Opinions
In-Reply-To: <000801c5f43b$5af60e90$7000a8c0@hawk>
Message-ID: <02f901c5f446$0cbc4400$97492745@hilgraeve.com>

I agree that we should hold each other to a higher standard in terms of the
quality of the discussion, and for the most part I think that happens here.

Case in point:

Use of an unfounded personal attack (e.g. some of this list must have
received "fan" training from the folds (sic) in Ohio) to agree with someone
else who was asking that we stop posting unfounded personal attacks (e.g.
I'd really prefer that we leave the personal assualts (sic) to the political
blogs.).

Don't know whether this was hypocritical or a very subtle bit of sarcasm to
comment on how silly and emotional the whole thread had become.  If the
later, it was certainly up to the higher standard that I would expect of
everyone here.  BRAVO!

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Patterson
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:47 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Opinions

AMEN!

Unfortunately, it appears some on this list must have received "fan"
training from some folks in Ohio, too.

Chris Patterson
Knoxville, TN (where the vast, vast majority of fans are good) Go CATS!
Tech '81


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Maycock
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:13 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Opinions

> I would venture to guess that ninety percent of the "conclusions"
> offered  on
> this list are offered without hard evidence. 

Opinions are one thing--personal attacks on coaches, administrators, or
players is quite another. 

It's one thing to offer an opinion that NU's defense wasn't very good this
year, or even an opinion that Randy Walker isn't a good coach.

But to suggest that Walker is some sort of control freak who would never
have anyone on his staff talented enough to some day replace him seems way,
way out of bounds to me, without some strong evidence to support such a
case. 

I'd really prefer that we leave the personal assualts to the political
blogs. Or to the Ohio State fans.

Tom

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 13:23:01 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov 28 13:23:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz' future (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511281923.jASJN1CQ029093@romaine.tssi.com>

> I would venture to guess that ninety percent of the "conclusions" offered  on 
> this list are offered without hard evidence. As a matter of fact they are  
> offered with precious little evidence. To my eyes the opinions voiced are  just 
> that -- opinions. Very insightful opinions

I think you are correct that very few conclusions have been offered, just
unsubstantiated opinions.  Opinions are like belly buttons:  everybody 
has one and they have little analytical value outside of Zen contemplation.

It seems to me that an unsubstantiated opinion is only considered 
insightful if:

A.  You agree with it.
or
B.  It stands the test of time.

Last August, very few people were of the opinion that NU could win 
7 games, so in retrospect there weren't very many insightful opinions 
offered about that subject, with or without analysis.

Regarding analysis, a good statistical case can be made for the poor 
performance of NU defenses under Walker. 

Why is that significant?  It seems likely that the defense is going to
have to play a bigger part in winning games next year than it did this
year.  So far, RW's track record (or that of his DC) has not demonstrated
the ability to produce an above-average devense (based on 117 1-A teams).

I don't think that's a fatal flaw, at least not yet.  But the one or two 
people who get to make decisions about RW's future probably don't read 
this list.   
--
Mike Nolan

From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 28 15:25:56 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov 28 15:27:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody unhappy about Parker leaving
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511281524190.20640@localhost>

>From the Daily's Nov 22nd edition:

"But following NU's sloppy 69-59 win against Florida Atlantic, Carmody was 
searching for a different player to fill the void at floor general.

'I'm looking for that guy Parker that's playing over in France right now,' 
Carmody said. 'Where the hell's that guy?'"

http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/22/4382e15a6dc68
<http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/22/4382e15a6dc68>

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 14:57:49 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov 28 15:28:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU at #22 in BCS
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511281257k65913044p3207a3b10b1ade28@mail.gmail.com>

Northwestern has moved up to #22 in this week's BCS, thanks to a very
strong showing in the computer rankings (and being disrespected in the
human polls?).

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSStandings?week=7

Jonathan

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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 28 16:54:12 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov 28 16:55:22 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] CFN on Walker
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511281641430.20822@localhost>

'Cats Fans--

<http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2005/Columnists/MZ/MondayMorningQuarterback.htm>
http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2005/Columnists/MZ/MondayMorningQuarterback.htm

"Randy Walker, Northwestern. He gets less talent each year, compared to 
his Big Ten rivals. He makes more from that talent each year, compared to 
most of his conference rivals. He does this often. He's also one heckuva 
creative play caller."

CFN meant that first sentence about getting less talent as a compliment, 
recognizing as everyone but us seems to that recruiting at NU isn't just 
harder at NU, it's not even the same game that those guys at lesser 
Universities are playing.

CFN has been on the NU bandwagon for most of the season (excepting their 
preseason rankings), something which I greatly enjoy.  That said, their 
bowl projections don't even list us as "considered" for the Sun Bowl. 
They seem to think we're a straight lock on the Music City.

Take it with a grain of salt, but remember, wild unfounded bowl 
destination speculation is so much more fun than not having any bowl at 
all, isn't it?

Jonathan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 28 17:39:35 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 28 17:39:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody unhappy about Parker leaving
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511281524190.20640@localhost>
Message-ID: <001d01c5f474$fdd474b0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Had you read the postgame story on Scout.com, you would have had that quote
about 11 PM Monday night - he said it on WGN, and probably again at the post
game [it's a great line]

http://northwestern.scout.com/2/469756.html

His real concern is that none of the Senior Guards seem to have stepped up to
the line to play Point effectively and I'm sure its bugging him.

He repeated the complaint after DePaul without mentioning Parker by name. 

http://northwestern.scout.com/2/471363.html

But if you take the time to work out the Sagarin rankins, NU should not have
beated DePaul at home, and will struggle Wednesday against Virginia.

If I read the Sangarin tea leaves right, we should finish the preconf season 7-4

http://northwestern.scout.com/2/470418.html

BTW - I'm not trying to sell subs, but those of you who are members of the
Scout.com network might enjoy the stories.

rsl


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan 
> Michael Hawkins
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:26 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody unhappy about Parker leaving
> 
> 
> >From the Daily's Nov 22nd edition:
> 
> "But following NU's sloppy 69-59 win against Florida 
> Atlantic, Carmody was 
> searching for a different player to fill the void at floor general.
> 
> 'I'm looking for that guy Parker that's playing over in 
> France right now,' 
> Carmody said. 'Where the hell's that guy?'"
> 
> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/11/2
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 28 17:42:01 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 28 17:48:45 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz' future (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200511281923.jASJN1CQ029093@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c5f475$54e63090$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

As I noted at the bottom of a long post this morning

Turning to the record book - 
NU's defense was on the losing end of 8 games in 1992, 9 games in 93, and 7 in
94 before turning the corner in 1995, and continuing in 1996. Our present DC has
been here 3 years, his teams lost 7 games in 2003, 6 in 2004 and 4 this year.
Statistically, Colby is ahead of Van heading into his 4th year. I'm not sure
where either coordinator is in regards to yards allowed, etc, but under Colby's
first 3 years, NU is 5 wins better than during Van's first 3 years. 

rsl

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Mike's point was...
> 
> Regarding analysis, a good statistical case can be made for the poor 
> performance of NU defenses under Walker. 
> 


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 18:36:52 2005
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon Nov 28 19:03:42 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching Contracts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511281641430.20822@localhost>
Message-ID: <20051129003652.17808.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

All,

This is purely for thought. Please do not write me back telling me that it
wouldn't work because of recruiting or whatever. 

I think it would be interesting to write a contract extension for Walker (or
any other coach) that guarantees 15% more than the best offer he gets on the
open market after each season. 

So, if he coaches the team to a 11-1 BCS-win season and UCLA offers $800k, he
does 15% better staying put. But, if he has a 1-10 BS season, his best offer
would be something like $64k at a private high school and he'd make way less
money the following season (though still 15% better than $64k). 

Let's give incentive alignment a try!

Best,
Jim

PS - CNNSI projects NU vs. UCLA in the Sun Bowl. 



		
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov 28 19:06:50 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 28 19:17:06 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching Contracts
Message-ID: <1a8.4506f495.30bd03aa@aol.com>

Hopefully if we want the coach, he isn't shopping himself every year to 
obtain          another offer--thus his best offer may be zero

Harry
From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Nov 28 19:39:59 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon Nov 28 19:56:24 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Walker
In-Reply-To: <438B1BAB.9060501@bellatlantic.net>
References: <022901c5f423$d86d6d90$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
	<022901c5f423$d86d6d90$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
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I am also not aware of anyone -- pro, college, high school, or Pop Warner 
-- making any offers to Lloyd Carr, Jim Tressel, Kirk Ferentz, Terry 
Hoeppner, Ron Zook, Barry Alvarez (or Brett Bielema), or Joe Paterno.  That 
doesn't mean that these offers don't exist, nor does it confirm their 
existence.  My lack of awareness of any such offers could lead me to 
surmise any number of things, but it certainly does not lead me to anything 
resembling a firm conclusion.  It could mean:

1) Contact has been made but immediately and quietly rebuffed.

2) Contact has been made and welcomed.  Some negotiations have taken place 
and could have concluded without agreement, or they could still be taking 
place as I type, but either way it has been done (or is being done) 
discreetly and quietly.

3) There is a strong perception that Randy Walker and Northwestern are 
extremely pleased with each other right now and as such there would be no 
point, so no contact has been made.

4) There is a strong perception that Randy Walker is such a horrible coach 
that no one wants to talk to him.  He is a pariah in his field.  ADs and 
Presidents of other universities shun him for fear that whatever his 
affliction, it may be contagious and rub off on them and their programs, 
causing them to spiral into mediocrity.

There, is that what you wanted to hear?

The general public's lack of awareness of any such recruitment is 
completely and totally meaningless.  It's perfectly possible to be a good 
coach without being a "hot" coach.

-Michael

At 11/28/2005 10:00 AM, John A. DeGroat wrote:
>To those who don't like to read complaints about Walker, does anyone know 
>of any school or pro team that has come after Walker?  If any have tried 
>to recruit him I'm not aware of it.  If none have, what does that tell you?
>
>I agree that it is great that NU is going to a bowl game.
>
>John DeGroat
>
>>
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 20:47:35 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov 28 20:47:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching Contracts (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511290247.jAT2lZY4001285@romaine.tssi.com>

> I think it would be interesting to write a contract extension for Walker (or
> any other coach) that guarantees 15% more than the best offer he gets on the
> open market after each season. 

I sure hope you aren't a sports agent.  If not, don't quit your day job.
--
Mike Nolan

From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Mon Nov 28 20:52:04 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Mon Nov 28 20:52:34 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching Contracts
In-Reply-To: <20051129003652.17808.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051129003652.17808.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <438BC254.8070805@bellatlantic.net>

An incentive salary package makes a lot of sense.  I would add that  
targets for  attendance at home games, season ticket  sales and income 
form sales of Northwestern products should be part of such a contract.  
They all mean more dollars for the athletic department.

John DeGroat

Jim Leonard wrote:

>All,
>
>This is purely for thought. Please do not write me back telling me that it
>wouldn't work because of recruiting or whatever. 
>
>I think it would be interesting to write a contract extension for Walker (or
>any other coach) that guarantees 15% more than the best offer he gets on the
>open market after each season. 
>
>So, if he coaches the team to a 11-1 BCS-win season and UCLA offers $800k, he
>does 15% better staying put. But, if he has a 1-10 BS season, his best offer
>would be something like $64k at a private high school and he'd make way less
>money the following season (though still 15% better than $64k). 
>
>Let's give incentive alignment a try!
>
>Best,
>Jim
>
>PS - CNNSI projects NU vs. UCLA in the Sun Bowl. 
>
>
>
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From johnl at mac.com  Mon Nov 28 22:13:02 2005
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Mon Nov 28 22:14:37 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Walker
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20051128202138.0475abd8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
References: <022901c5f423$d86d6d90$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
	<022901c5f423$d86d6d90$97492745@hilgraeve.com>
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I think Michael is right.  I haven't heard of any offers made to 
Charlie Weis, either, or any of the coaches Michael lists.  Is that 
because no one would want to hire them?  No, it's more because everyone 
knows they can't hire them.

So too it is with Walker.  Except that with respect to Walker, not 
every single Division I school would want to hire him.  But many 
schools would be happy to hire Walker but can't because Walker clearly 
isn't interested.  For instance, no MAC team would seriously contact 
Walker because Walker has no reason to leave for such a program.

To me, the fact that top-tier programs are not drooling over our coach 
is a good thing.  We've debated this on the list and people have stated 
their opinions.  But to me, I think we have a hard enough time 
developing a consistent program without having to hire a new coach 
every few years.

It seems that the overall consensus among the "fire-Walker" crowd is 
that we should expect a coach who will lead the team to a top-10 finish 
at least once every four years, and a ranked finish in all other years. 
  Only the absolute best coaches in history have achieved consistent 
results like that.

Accordingly, for those of us who are satisfied with consistent, but 
realistic, results, it's not troubling that Walker isn't receiving 
offers from other top programs.  Given that he's already at a pretty 
good program (compared to all Division I teams), this isn't something 
we're worried about.


On Nov 28, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Michael Vance wrote:

> I am also not aware of anyone -- pro, college, high school, or Pop 
> Warner -- making any offers to Lloyd Carr, Jim Tressel, Kirk Ferentz, 
> Terry Hoeppner, Ron Zook, Barry Alvarez (or Brett Bielema), or Joe 
> Paterno.  That doesn't mean that these offers don't exist, nor does it 
> confirm their existence.  My lack of awareness of any such offers 
> could lead me to surmise any number of things, but it certainly does 
> not lead me to anything resembling a firm conclusion.  It could mean:
>
> 1) Contact has been made but immediately and quietly rebuffed.
>
> 2) Contact has been made and welcomed.  Some negotiations have taken 
> place and could have concluded without agreement, or they could still 
> be taking place as I type, but either way it has been done (or is 
> being done) discreetly and quietly.
>
> 3) There is a strong perception that Randy Walker and Northwestern are 
> extremely pleased with each other right now and as such there would be 
> no point, so no contact has been made.
>
> 4) There is a strong perception that Randy Walker is such a horrible 
> coach that no one wants to talk to him.  He is a pariah in his field.  
> ADs and Presidents of other universities shun him for fear that 
> whatever his affliction, it may be contagious and rub off on them and 
> their programs, causing them to spiral into mediocrity.
>
> There, is that what you wanted to hear?
>
> The general public's lack of awareness of any such recruitment is 
> completely and totally meaningless.  It's perfectly possible to be a 
> good coach without being a "hot" coach.
>
> -Michael
>
> At 11/28/2005 10:00 AM, John A. DeGroat wrote:
>> To those who don't like to read complaints about Walker, does anyone 
>> know of any school or pro team that has come after Walker?  If any 
>> have tried to recruit him I'm not aware of it.  If none have, what 
>> does that tell you?
>>
>> I agree that it is great that NU is going to a bowl game.
>>
>> John DeGroat
>>
>>>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 23:59:13 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Nov 29 00:00:55 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
Message-ID: <20051129055913.25761.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, with the Thanksgiving break, I figured I'd get
these out before the final week.:) Sorry for all the
delays -- I sure hope they're right when they say that
the first year of teaching is the toughest because
it's a LOT of work! I'm appreciating my old teachers
on a lot of levels now.:) But anyway, thanks for the
patience.

The races for the individual awards are also printed
at the end. Looks like we have a lot of tight races
heading into the final week! Picks coming up next.

Upset specials by week ...

* WEEK 9: Oklahoma over Nebraska
* WEEK 10: Miami over VaTech and NCState over Florida
State
* WEEK 11: Iowa over Wisconsin, South Carolina over
Florida and Clemson over Florida State
* WEEK 12: Clemson over South Carolina
* WEEK 13: Nebraska over Colorado

    NAME               WK 13  OVRL    PCT.  UPSET  WKS
======================================================
 1) Brad Wilson         ---  101-34   .748    2    12
 2) Karen Capria        8-2  108-37   .745    8    13
 2) Alan Wolfson        9-1  108-37   .745    4    13
 4) Chuck Herron        9-1  107-38   .738    3    13
 5) Matt Barnard        9-1   99-36   .733    2    12
 6) Jonathan Hodges     7-3  104-41   .717    4    13
 6) Brad May            8-2  104-41   .717    3    13
 8) Bob Waldele	        8-2   93-37   .715    5    12
 9) Ivars Embrekts      8-2   89-36   .712    4    11
10) Bob Schooler        9-1  103-42   .710    4    13
11) Bruce Taylor        9-1   92-38   .708    5    12
12) John Labbe		7-3   95-40   .704    7    12
13) Trey McAdams        9-1  102-43   .703    1    13
13) Arthur Miller       8-2  102-43   .703    7    13
13) Eric Steffe	        8-2  102-43   .703    4    13
13) Marilyn Zilka       8-2  102-43   .703    5    13
17) John Lieske	        8-2  101-44   .697    4    13
17) Stephen Truog       8-2  101-44   .697    2    13
19) Kelly Sevilla       9-1  100-45   .690    9    13
20) Jim Bendat          7-3   93-42   .689    7    12
21) Thomas Kettler      8-2   89-41   .685    9    12
22) Michael Vance       8-2   92-43   .681    2    12
23) Mark Ament	        9-1   98-47   .676    2    13
24) Ryan Farney	        ---   77-38   .670    1    10
24) John Luken	        ---   77-38   .670    3    10
26) Brian Winkler       9-1   97-48   .669    4    13
27) Denny Elsen	        8-2   90-45   .667    2    12
28) David Warner        8-2   96-49   .662    4    13
29) Phredd Groves       7-3   82-43   .656    4    11
30) Sam Wolfson	        8-2   88-47   .652    9    12
31) Scott Zeller        ---   74-41   .643    5    10
32) Ace McInturff       8-2   86-49   .637   13    12
33) Carol Rossi	        7-3   81-49   .623    4    12
34) Jim Leonard	        ---   76-49   .608    7    11

NOT ELIGIBLE AT THIS TIME
-------------------------
xx) Jason Singer        ---   43-32   .573    1     6
xx) Ray Stahl	        8-2   51-19   .729    2     5
xx) Harlan Heiber       ---   32-13   .711    0     3
xx) Neil Cub	        ---   23-17   .575    1     3
xx) Ty Levine	        ---   19-11   .633    1     2

ROB JOHNSON IRONMAN AWARD (best of those competing
every week)
==============================================================
1) Karen Capria      108-37
1) Alan Wolfson      108-37
3) Chuck Herron      107-38

STEVE SCHNUR ACCURACY AWARD (best percentage - 5 week
min.)
===========================================================
1) Brad Wilson       74.8%
2) Karen Capria      74.5%
2) Alan Wolfson      74.5%

PAT FITZGERALD HITS AWARD (most correct picks)
==============================================
1) Karen Capria      108
1) Alan Wolfson      108
3) Chuck Herron      107

BRIAN MUSSO GUTS AWARD (most upset specials)
============================================
1) Ace McInturff     13
2) Three tied         9

Picks for week 14 coming up.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 00:11:29 2005
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Nov 29 00:12:38 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 14
Message-ID: <20051129061129.21762.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com>

Championship weekend is upon us ... and there's a lot
left to decide in the picks this year. The SEC title
game is the only real biggie - though an interesting
side is that all three have teams playing in their
home state. Then of course there's the LA showdown and
the annual Army-Navy game (yes, the Big Least has a
couple games too, but, blech!) All picks due by
kickoff Saturday.

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 14
#######################
Name: 

GAME  1: Georgia vs. LSU *                  WINNER: 
GAME  2: Colorado vs. Texas **              WINNER: 
GAME  3: Florida St. vs. Virginia Tech ***  WINNER: 
GAME  4: UCLA @ USC                         WINNER: 
GAME  5: Army vs. Navy ****                 WINNER: 

* - SEC Championship @ Atlanta, GA
** - Big XII Title Game @ Houston, TX
*** - ACC Championship @ Jacksonville, FL
**** - Game at Philadelphia, PA

MY PICKS
--------
* LSU 23, Georgia 17 - Yeah the Dawgs are at home and
playing better, but the Tigers are the SEC's best team
(well maybe Auburn) and they earn the return trip to
Atlanta for the Sugar Bowl.
* Texas 63, Colorado 10 - Style points and more for
the angry Horns as they head to Pasadena. Double
blech!
* Virginia Tech 27, Florida State 13 - It won't make
up for the big bro's title game loss, but this time
Vick beats Bowden as the Noles continue to drop off
the college football map.
* USC 38, UCLA 34 - Close call for the Trojans, but
they escape their crosstown rivals again to earn
Roses.
* Army 19, Navy 17 - I smell an upset here.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Nov 28 23:49:42 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Tue Nov 29 00:27:09 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz' future
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At 11/28/2005 09:44 PM, John A. DeGroat wrote:
>one has to wonder why he hasn't brought in a new defense coordinator given 
>the current one's track record and dthat of the defense.

Though we've debated it before, the consensus for how long to give a new 
head coach to show results seems to be five years.  Give him time to get 
all of his own recruits playing and his own system firmly entrenched, 
etc.  But how long do you give a coordinator?  Depending on how different 
the systems are, it could take four or five years.

I remember the first time the idea of a smaller, faster defense really hit 
me was watching the 1991 and 1992 Washington teams beat Iowa and then 
dominate Michigan in the Rose Bowl.  This wasn't just similar guys running 
a different scheme.  It was obvious that Washington had a different type of 
athlete on their defense than Michigan and Iowa had on theirs.

Colby has been on the job for three years, I believe.  So I'm willing to 
give him at least one more year, and if there's significant improvement 
then I'd definitely give him another.

-Michael 

From michael.vance at att.net  Tue Nov 29 00:10:34 2005
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Tue Nov 29 00:27:18 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Walker
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I don't think that the pros appeal to Walker, either.  Like JoePa, he has 
always said that he enjoys the teaching aspect of the game, and you don't 
get that in the pros.  You're more of a corporate manager and less of a 
teacher at that level, as it probably should be.

Illinois went after Ron Zook after Florida had fired him.  Walker has put 
down some pretty serious roots in Evanston in his seven years here.  His 
son graduated from NU last June and he lived there before when he was RB 
coach back in the 80s.  So I don't think that his connections to NU are 
that much different than Alvarez' to Wisconsin.

Not every coach gets poached every year.  As a matter of fact, most 
organizations are pretty professional about at least being discreet if 
they're talking to a guy who is under contract.  It seems to me that if it 
gets out to the public, it's usually either the current employer or the 
coach himself who blabs to the press, not the school that wants to hire him.

While you're not a party of one, I think that you're certainly in the 
minority.  I, for one, am willing to be patient as long as the program is 
trending in the right direction, which it is.  I agree that the recent 
states of the defense and kicking games have been troublesome, but there 
have been injuries and there are signs of improvement on the horizon.  I 
hope that I'm right and you're wrong, not so I can say "I told you so," but 
because coaching changes are inherently disruptive to a program.  I hope 
that you hope that I'm right, even if it means having to admit that you 
were wrong, because that would be better for the program.  I guess we'll 
just have to wait and see.

-Michael

At 11/28/2005 10:06 PM, John A. DeGroat wrote:
>The New England Patriots went after Paterno a few years ago and unless I'm 
>getting senile, always possibility, the Detroit Lions went after 
>Carr.  The pros didn't appeal to Paterno and probably not to Carr
>assuming the Lions rumor was true and f you think the Lions are a 
>professional team. Illinois went after Zook, Alvarez  was approached by 
>the University of MIami but chose to stay at Wisconsin for a lot of good 
>reasons, i.e. family considerations and his connections to Wisconsin, 
>school and state.
>
>If you think that Walker is a terrific coach, that's fine, I disagree with 
>that evaluation and apparently I'm not a national sampling of one.
>
>John DeGroat
>
>Michael Vance wrote:
>
>>I am also not aware of anyone -- pro, college, high school, or Pop Warner 
>>-- making any offers to Lloyd Carr, Jim Tressel, Kirk Ferentz, Terry 
>>Hoeppner, Ron Zook, Barry Alvarez (or Brett Bielema), or Joe 
>>Paterno.  That doesn't mean that these offers don't exist, nor does it 
>>confirm their existence.  My lack of awareness of any such offers could 
>>lead me to surmise any number of things, but it certainly does not lead 
>>me to anything resembling a firm conclusion.  It could mean:
>>
>>1) Contact has been made but immediately and quietly rebuffed.
>>
>>2) Contact has been made and welcomed.  Some negotiations have taken 
>>place and could have concluded without agreement, or they could still be 
>>taking place as I type, but either way it has been done (or is being 
>>done) discreetly and quietly.
>>
>>3) There is a strong perception that Randy Walker and Northwestern are 
>>extremely pleased with each other right now and as such there would be no 
>>point, so no contact has been made.
>>
>>4) There is a strong perception that Randy Walker is such a horrible 
>>coach that no one wants to talk to him.  He is a pariah in his field.
>>ADs and Presidents of other universities shun him for fear that whatever 
>>his affliction, it may be contagious and rub off on them and their 
>>programs, causing them to spiral into mediocrity.
>>
>>There, is that what you wanted to hear?
>>
>>The general public's lack of awareness of any such recruitment is 
>>completely and totally meaningless.  It's perfectly possible to be a good 
>>coach without being a "hot" coach.
>>
>>-Michael
>>
>>At 11/28/2005 10:00 AM, John A. DeGroat wrote:
>>
>>>To those who don't like to read complaints about Walker, does anyone 
>>>know of any school or pro team that has come after Walker?  If any have 
>>>tried to recruit him I'm not aware of it.  If none have, what does that 
>>>tell you?
>>>
>>>I agree that it is great that NU is going to a bowl game.
>>>
>>>John DeGroat
>>>
>>>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 29 05:37:47 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 29 05:37:50 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Walker
In-Reply-To: <5ebe8bd72971de85f562974de8dece05@mac.com>
Message-ID: <002501c5f4d9$52a2aac0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I seem to remember Randy Walker making a statement once, and I can't quote it
exactly, but it was something like...

I'll coach here at Northwestern as long as they'll have me.

He also told me once, as we were walking off the practice field, that he was
tired of .500 seasons and was looking to win more. That was last summer.

Anyway, I also am getting bored with the "fire Walker" stuff.

I guess some would hope for a Charlie Weis type coach who would come in and make
NU BCS eligible his first year. You understand that validates the former coach's
recruiting, the very reason given for replacing RW with Vanderlinden.

I, for one, would be happy to see RW's contract run out, and let this debate
rage in 2007, but we should be back on our up cycle, last year's recruiting
class will be Seniors, and who knows...

Go Cats

rsl

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>
> So too it is with Walker.  Except that with respect to Walker, not 
> every single Division I school would want to hire him.  But many 
> schools would be happy to hire Walker but can't because 
> Walker clearly 
> isn't interested.  


From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 29 08:52:29 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 29 08:52:32 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Walker (fwd)
Message-ID: <200511291452.jATEqTFI007564@romaine.tssi.com>

> I seem to remember Randy Walker making a statement once, and I can't quote it
> exactly, but it was something like...
> 
> I'll coach here at Northwestern as long as they'll have me.

Yeah, but Gary Barnett said pretty much the same thing in 1995, just before
he started interviewing with UCLA, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Slippery Rock,
Evanston Township HS, and so forth.
--
Mike Nolan

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 09:12:27 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov 29 09:43:23 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Sun Bowl "Leaning" Towards NU
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511290712n38c65675nf2bfe3df9025b72@mail.gmail.com>

See the Tribune article here:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051129colfbcatsbowl,1,4624654.story?coll=cs-college-headlines

Jonathan

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 09:46:43 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 29 09:47:57 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Sun Bowl "Leaning" Towards NU
Message-ID: <218.e93365b.30bdd1e3@aol.com>

If true, is it likely that we get UCLA  ? (3rd in Pac Ten after SC and 
Oregon) 

HJarry
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 09:52:25 2005
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov 29 09:53:30 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Sun Bowl "Leaning" Towards NU
In-Reply-To: <218.e93365b.30bdd1e3@aol.com>
References: <218.e93365b.30bdd1e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270511290752s63bba0d1i8b7df3898105b3d8@mail.gmail.com>

Yes (it was also noted in the article that the Sun Bowl liked a UCLA -
NU matchup, at least from a revenue point of view) - assuming that OSU
gets picked instead of Oregon for a BCS spot.  If Oregon is picked for
the BCS spot and we are picked over Iowa for the Sun Bowl, we would
likely face Cal (as noted earlier on this listserv).

I would be afraid of facing UCLA as they have a formidable offense and
have thus far only lost one game.  Cal has the same record and would
be a better matchup for NU.

Jonathan

On 11/29/05, Hakirsch@aol.com <Hakirsch@aol.com> wrote:
> If true, is it likely that we get UCLA  ? (3rd in Pac Ten after SC and
> Oregon)
>
>  HJarry


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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 09:56:50 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 29 09:58:14 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Sun Bowl "Leaning" Towards NU
Message-ID: <1dd.4a298ecb.30bdd442@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/29/2005 7:52:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
jonathanwhodges@gmail.com writes:

> Yes (it was also noted in the article that the Sun Bowl liked a UCLA -
> NU matchup, at least from a revenue point of view) - assuming that OSU
> gets picked instead of Oregon for a BCS spot.  If Oregon is picked for
> the BCS spot and we are picked over Iowa for the Sun Bowl, we would
> likely face Cal (as noted earlier on this listserv).
> 
> I would be afraid of facing UCLA as they have a formidable offense and
> have thus far only lost one game.  Cal has the same record and would
> be a better matchup for NU.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On 11/29/05, Hakirsch@aol.com <Hakirsch@aol.com> wrote:
> >If true, is it likely that we get UCLA  ? (3rd in Pac Ten after SC and
> >Oregon)
> >
> > HJarry
> 

Given that the Bucks would likely go instead of the Ducks to the final BCS 
spot, we would be playing a team with great offense , but no D--(sound familiar 
?)--Would be a real  Texas shootout 

Harry
From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Tue Nov 29 11:12:19 2005
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Tue Nov 29 11:13:39 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Sun Bowl "Leaning" Towards NU
In-Reply-To: <1dd.4a298ecb.30bdd442@aol.com>
References: <1dd.4a298ecb.30bdd442@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511291112010.27299@localhost>

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Hakirsch@aol.com wrote:

> Given that the Bucks would likely go instead of the Ducks to the final BCS
> spot, we would be playing a team with great offense , but no D--(sound familiar
> ?)

You mean MSU? ;-)

From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Tue Nov 29 12:00:25 2005
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Tue Nov 29 12:08:13 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] fear not UCLA
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE91B@goose.latimes.com>

 Expect victory.
 We -- I mean here the proverbial "we," not, and I repeat NOT, singling out anyone in particular -- have got to get out of the "this team is a bad matchup for us" or "they have a great offense" or "they have a big name and we don't" kind of thing.
 I understand why these sentiments surface. We -- again, the proverbial we -- have been conditioned by years of awful play to expect the worst.
 Not me. I expect victory. Each and every game.
 As a general notion, I think we would be much better off adopting the Fresno State approach to our opponents. Bring it on -- anytime, any place, anywhere. 
 Expect victory, Wildcat faithful. This team is eminently capable of beating UCLA.
 Alan
 

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 12:19:46 2005
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 29 12:24:04 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <14.52ccbae7.30bdf5c2@aol.com>

I guess this is what makes it fun !

Harry

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/3756322? ? ? ? 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 29 15:25:31 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 29 16:59:15 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Sun Bowl "Leaning" Towards NU
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270511290712n38c65675nf2bfe3df9025b72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002901c5f52b$6e63f2d0$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Wow, two Trib stories in two days...

I wonder if the lead is coming from NU, or from the Sun Bowl?????


rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:12 AM
> To: NU Sports Listserv
> Subject: [NU Sports] Sun Bowl "Leaning" Towards NU
> 
> 
> See the Tribune article here:
> 
> http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-0511
29colfbcatsbowl,1,4624654.story?coll=cs-college-headlines

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 29 20:13:41 2005
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue Nov 29 20:17:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] fear not UCLA
References: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C26807084AE91B@goose.latimes.com>
Message-ID: <438D0AD5.9000408@earthlink.net>

Have to agree with Alan.  Hey, my wife went to UCLA.  Meanwhile, my 
daughter goes to NU and I went there.  If this game happens, it will be 
a family war.  I say:  BRING IT ON.  And, yes, we all want a bowl win. 
 But playing UCLA - win or lose - will be a much bigger, national deal 
than beating some crappy third-rate ACC team anyway. -- Jim B.

Abrahamson, Alan wrote:

> Expect victory.
> We -- I mean here the proverbial "we," not, and I repeat NOT, singling out anyone in particular -- have got to get out of the "this team is a bad matchup for us" or "they have a great offense" or "they have a big name and we don't" kind of thing.
> I understand why these sentiments surface. We -- again, the proverbial we -- have been conditioned by years of awful play to expect the worst.
> Not me. I expect victory. Each and every game.
> As a general notion, I think we would be much better off adopting the Fresno State approach to our opponents. Bring it on -- anytime, any place, anywhere. 
> Expect victory, Wildcat faithful. This team is eminently capable of beating UCLA.
> Alan
> 
>



From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 20:51:13 2005
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 29 20:52:35 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] fear not UCLA
Message-ID: <260.2741aeb.30be6da1@aol.com>

All I can say is thank god we're not playing them in basketball, given the  
two schools' respective histories in that sport!
 
Paul Levinson
From johnadeg at bellatlantic.net  Wed Nov 30 06:31:11 2005
From: johnadeg at bellatlantic.net (John A. DeGroat)
Date: Wed Nov 30 06:31:52 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] Computer worm warning
Message-ID: <438D9B8F.4020403@bellatlantic.net>

FYI

I received this from the email news letter of the Association  of Former 
Intelligence Officers that usually has some good stuff in it.  I've 
gotten this fake email a number of times over the past several weeks.

John DeGroat



FAKE CIA, FBI E-MAILS SPREAD WORST WORM OF THE YEAR 
<mailbox:///C%7C/Documents%20and%20Settings/John%20A.%20DeGroat/Application%20Data/Mozilla/Profiles/default/sbute8gm.slt/Mail/incoming.verizon.net/Trash?number=5488660#TOC_SECIII> 
- What is being called the worst worm of the year looks like an official 
e-mail from the CIA or FBI but can leave your computer wide open to 
intruders, the Washington Post reported on 24 November.
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/23/AR2005112302147.html 
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/23/AR2005112302147.html> 

The fake e-mail pretends the government has discovered you have visited 
illegal Web sites and asks you to open an attachment to answer some 
questions. If the attachment is opened, the computer is infected with 
malware that can disable security and firewall programs and send similar 
e-mails to contacts in its address book. It can also keep the computer 
user from accessing security Web sites that might help fix the problem, 
and it may open a Windows computer to intruders who can steal personal data.
The CIA and the FBI have put warnings on their Web sites about the worm, 
known as Sober X. In Europe, Austria's equivalent to the FBI is 
investigating a flurry of similar bogus e-mails sent in its name to 
people in Austria, Germany and Switzerland, the Associated Press reported.
Sober is known to affect only those computers running the Windows 
operating system. It appears that Apple and Linux computer users were 
not affected.
The e-mail includes an authentic phone number for the FBI or CIA. FBI 
operators have been routing complaints to its Internet Crime Complaint 
Center in West Virginia, which received more than 4,000 complaints about 
the worm on 21 November.  ICC typically receives 18,000 complaints each 
month.
The CIA version of the e-mail contains a real CIA number but lists 
Washington, rather than Langley, as an address for the agency. (PJK, DKR)
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 30 09:02:22 2005
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 30 09:02:31 2005
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/30
Message-ID: <003a01c5f5bf$12031e00$6500a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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End of the Month Edition

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Its Reading Week at NU
BASKETBALL

     Men:
     Wildcats Travel to Virginia for Big Ten/ACC Challenge
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112905aab.html 
     + 1st Look: Northwestern Wildcats
      http://virginia.scout.com/2/472802.html 
     $ BKB Pregame Intel: Virginia Cavaliers
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/472872.html 

     Next Up @ Virginia [11/30]
      Leitao not cavalier about job
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051129depaulleitao,1,5
323672.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Student fan group gears up for season
      http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=23692&pid=1308 
     + Cavs face rebounding void
      http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=25269&pid=1371 
     + Cavaliers step up for Challenge
      http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=25372&pid=1374 
     + Virginia To Host Northwestern in ACC/Big Ten Challenge Wednesday
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112905aab.html 
     + Virginia stumbles at Zona:
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768388462&path= 
     + Cavs face slow game:
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768430575&path= 
     + Reynolds still lacking consistency:
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768409979&path= 

     Delaware State Hornets 12/3
     Shockers clobber Hornets men
 
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051127/SPORTS08/51127
0336/1029/SPORTS08&theme= 
     + Delaware State falters late in loss
 
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051126/SPORTS08/51126
0332/1029/SPORTS08 

     Big 10 [ACC Challenge]
     Illini get some revenge over UNC
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051129illinigamer,1,26
75753.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Illini come up huge in big test
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-ill30.html 
     + Illini hold off North Carolina
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=126838 
     + Too many new faces for any revenge factor
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=126448 

     Wake withstands Wisconsin
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-big30.html 

     OSU gives Big Ten early lead on ACC
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cage29.html 

     Women
     'Cats Take On Crusaders
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/112905aaf.html 

FOOTBALL

     Tyrell Sutton Named to Freshman All-America Team
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112905aaa.html 
     Wildcats Ranked 22nd in Latest BCS Poll
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112805aab.html 

     Bowling
     Northwestern Alumni Association Bowl News
      http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/about/bowl-2005.html 
     + Sun Bowl has sights set on Northwestern
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-051129colfbcatsbowl,1,
4624654.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     Gotera: He hands out the propers here.
      http://sports.wnur.org/analysts/dg112805.html 

Recruiting

     Tongo Talks Hoosiers
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=472564 
     + Rates Visit "9 out of 10"
 
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=472250&nid=1803305&fhn=1&refid=4742


     Recruiting: OU, OSU battling for Houston DB
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=472726 

VOLLEYBALL

     Northwestern, Texas A&M To Tangle in NCAA Tournament First Round
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/112805aaa.html 
     Christie Gardner Named Honorable Mention All-Big Ten
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/112905aaa.html 

WRESTLING

     An Early Look: 2005 Midlands Weight by Weight Preview
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/112905aac.html 

MISCELLANY

     NCAA wants officials to curb showboating
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5118446?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=24 
     Solich to stay at Ohio, if he meets three conditions 
      http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories?m=163 

ALUMNI

     Josh Lewin: A peak at a few reasons why the Bolts run defense has been so
good
      http://www.chargers.com/news/headline_detail.cfm?news_key=2444 

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