[NU Sports] 6-6 Waivers (fwd)

[John Labbe]

Not to burst the fun here, but I think this whole discussion may be missing the point.  Iowa State apparently needed the waiver because they may not even have 6 Division I wins.  That's different than not just having a winning record at 6-6.  No, we're talking about a team that would be 5-6 (or 5-5) against Division I teams becoming bowl eligible.  That seems a little weak to me.  If the focus is on what people knew and didn't know, I sure as heck think they knew that Northern Iowa wasn't a Division I school.

See last segment at http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1929394

According to this segment, it's unclear whether they would otherwise have been bowl eligible at 6-6 with a loss in the championship game if they win 6 Division I games.




On Tuesday, November 23, 2004, at 08:38AM, <JHCCLARK at aol.com> wrote:

>In a message dated 11/22/2004 11:59:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
>nolan at romaine.tssi.com writes:
>
>I  totally disagree.  Conference championship games shouldn't be used  to
>determine bowl eligiblity except for the already existing waiver,  which
>makes a team bowl-eligible by winning its conference  championship
>regardless of its record to that point.
>
>The NCAA  rules are a bit muddled as to whether a conference championship
>game is a  'regular season' game or not.  In some sports, notably basketball
>and  baseball, it is not considered a regular season game.  (This has  come
>up a few times when schools were sanctioned for rules  violations.)
> 
> 
>The NCAA rules recognize these championship games as regular-season games.  
>See Bylaw 18.02.4: "A postseason football game is a football contest conducted  
>after the regular football season and involving two teams selected because of 
> their REGULAR-SEASON performance (e.g. won-lost record, CONFERENCE  
>CHAMPIONSHIP)." [emphasis added]  If they were not considered  regular-season, then 
>Iowa State wouldn't NEED a waiver.
> 
>
>Further, these games have always been considered before when  making 
>post-season determinations.  Otherwise, conference champs would not  automatically get 
>a BCS spot.  And let's remember when #2 Kansas State lost  to Texas A&M in 
>the Big XII championship game -- it lost it's spot in the  National Championship 
>Game AND it's BCS bowl bid, and wound up in San  Antonio losing to Purdue.
> 
>And your point makes my point.  These games ARE  considered when teams are 
>selected for post-season play in basketball.   Teams that lose in the first 
>round of their conference tourney are often left on  the outside looking in when 
>the NCAA bids come out.  Conversely, teams that  had very little shot at making 
>the NCAAs sometimes do due to their conference  tourney showing.  The 19-10 
>Georgia Tech team that lost in the first round  of the ACC tourney comes to 
>mind -- they sat at home in March, even refusing an  NIT bid because they thought 
>they were dissed.
> 
> 
>They are real games and should carry all the good and bad of real  games.  
>You can't just take the benefits without also risking the  consequences.
>
>
>
>I think  football deserves the same consideration.  The only games that 
>should  count for bowl eligibility are the ones that are definitely on 
>the  schedule at the start of the season.  
>
>The difference here is that  Northwestern players and coaches all KNEW they 
>had 12 games scheduled and  needed to go 7-5 before the season started, 
>Iowa State did  not.
>They knew that the conference championship game was out there.  The  
>conference championship game WAS on the schedule for two teams in the Big  XII.  If 
>you and your conference choose to play these games, then live with  the 
>consequences.  Don't try to change the rules when you feel like it or  when it suits 
>your needs.  
> 
>And, let's face it, the Iowa State players had MORE of a say in whether  they 
>played in a 12th game than Northwestern players did.  It is something  that 
>they wanted and earned, whereas Hawaii was always gonna be there, whether  NU 
>was 11-0 or 0-11.  The Wildcat players has zero to say in the  matter.
> 
>And again, if a bowl game is that important, then decline the invite to the  
>Dr. Pepper Classic without forfeiting.  Then Colorado or Nebraska can  go.  
>Northwestern cannot just simply decline to play -- otherwise they  forfeit and 
>automatically go to 6-6.
> 
>Sorry, I just don't see how the Cyclones should get in and Northern  Illinois 
>(again) shouldn't.
>
>
>
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