From nolan at gw.tssi.com  Sat Nov 20 15:58:50 2004
From: nolan at gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Nov 20 16:00:28 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] testing
Message-ID: <200411202159.iAKLx5md012146@gw.tssi.com>

testing
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 20 17:06:15 2004
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 20 17:10:13 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac CATS!!!!
Message-ID: <126.508bd14d.2ed127e7@aol.com>

What a game!!  A record for Division 1-A, 4 overtimes (and 3  wins).  With 
the Penn St. victory does that mean we go to El  Paso?
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Nov 20 17:12:55 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Nov 20 17:13:57 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac CATS!!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200411202312.iAKNCtfA023302@romaine.tssi.com>

> What a game!!  A record for Division 1-A, 4 overtimes (and 3  wins).  With 
> the Penn St. victory does that mean we go to El  Paso?

They still have to win in Hawaii to be bowl-eligible.  That's not a given,
but then what is for this team?  

I assume that game will be on TV, ESPN knows a good thing when it sees one!
--
Mike Nolan


From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Thu Nov 18 21:41:15 2004
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Sat Nov 20 17:24:02 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: [Northwestern Sports] A Northwestern tradition
 that's not well known
In-Reply-To: <419AB3B1.5060706@earthlink.net>
References: <419AB3B1.5060706@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411182057050.20652@localhost>

> about one of the songs called "March of the Steel Men."  Evidently, this
> song has been played by our band at the final home game of each season
> since 1928, so I assume it will be played this Saturday as well.  It's a
> tune that is both rousing and sentimental.  I'd be curious to hear from
> former NUMB members who might tell us more about the "Steel Men."

"March of the Steel Men" was always one of my favorite/most hated things
to play in NUMB.

My favorite, because it had so much tradition going for it, it's a great
song, and the drill is classic and bombastic.

My most hated, because I invariably would be sad that the season really
was over.  Until my generation of NUMBers came around, the season really
*was* over after the last home game.  What a great thing that going to a
bowl game seems like it can be in our reach almost every year these days!

Here's the words NUMB made up for this song, in case you're interested.
As a side note, as a NUMBer, one of my favorite things was all of the
amusing songs we sang when we weren't playing.  This is one of them:

-----------------------------------------------
The March Of the Steel Men
NUMB Lyrics

Well the marching season's over
and we're really sad it is
no more chills
no more spills
no more marching when it's raining
but we love it so much, we'll be back next year
'cause you're always part of NUMB
and you know you'll always be a part of it
even as
a NUMB-ALUM!
-----------------------------------------------

Some folks replace "sad" with "glad". ;-)  Also, they're not very
grammatical at the end, but hey, what can ya do?

Does anyone know the complete anti-fight-song lyrics to the Illinois
fight song?  The one I used to know started out like this:

-------------------------------------
You're just a state school, Ell-annoy
Your band scares every girl and boy
-------------------------------------

Go Cats,

Jonathan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 19 11:19:52 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 20 17:28:19 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/19
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** Basketball Friday - Football Saturday Edition **

The Basketball season begins tonight at the BP Top of the World Classic - with
links to stories and the Broadcast. Soccer History today on the Lakefront. 
Football has a fairly important game tomorrow too. There's also Recruiting
updates, along with Soccer, Swimming, Tennis, and Wrestling.and More!

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Making up for lost time...

Northwestern To Induct 265 Women's Athletic Association Members Into N-Club 
http://nusports.collegesports.com/genrel/111804aaa.html 



FOOTBALL

     NU battles Illinois for pride, the Sweet Sioux, and survival in the bowl
race!
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats4f27b.html 
     The Lowe's Line: prediction for Northwestern's home finale.
      http://hailtopurple.com/features/lowesline4k18.html 
     Pregame Intel: NU vs Illinois
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/320869.html 
     The Link to Gameplan
      http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/gameplan/index 

Commentary:

     The Waterboy: Singin' the Blues
      http://www.fareastwildcat.com/ 


Next are the Fighting Illini

     Football looks to end with win
 
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/2004/11/19/Sports/Football.Looks.To.End.With.Win
-811219.shtml 
     Illini punter on track for promising future
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041118illinifoot,1,546
7343.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     Cronin: When Turner contemplates what went wrong, he needs to begin with
recruiting
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/192sd1.htm 

Big 10

     Big Ten Weekly Football Release - November 15
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111504aad.html 

Future Opponent's Stories-
as we find them...

     [Hawaii] - 

Men's BASKETBALL

     Carmody: In Top Form at the Top of the World
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/320590.html 
      Wildcats Ready To Tip Off in Alaska
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111804aae.html 
     + Cats hope cold brings hot start
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419dbbb36f12f 
     Here's the Link to the Broadcast

     +Duo at the top of their game
      http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113%7E7244%7E2545562,00.html 
     2004-05 Big Ten Men's Basketball Season Previews
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111704aaa.html 

Next up the Portland Pilots

     Pregame Intel - The Portland Pilots
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/320907.html 

Looking Ahead:

     Then its either:  New Mexico State 11/20
     Henson on the Comeback Trail
 
http://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=9576&SPID=585&DB_OEM_ID=1900&
ATCLID=88516 
     or  Western Michigan 11/20
      Game Notes vs NMS
      http://www.wmubroncos.com/sports/basketball/men/WMUnotes.pdf 
     at Colorado 11/28
      Lost to Michigan in the NIT
      http://www.cubuffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=600&ATCLID=88467 
     Virginia 12/1


     Chicago State 12/4


     DePaul 12/15
     Demons' Green schooled, ready
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041118demons,1,4926799
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     Seton Hall  12/19


Women's BASKETBALL

     Wildcats Are Nebraska-Bound
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/111804aaa.html 
     + Operation overhaul
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419dbb20a733c 

RECRUITING

     Crunching the Numbers
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/320519.html 
     $ Another opinion on the scholarship numbers
 
http://mb1.scout.com/fnorthwesternfrm1.showMessage?topicID=755.topic&index=6 
     $ I think we have more than 17
      http://northwestern.Scout.com/2/320879.html 

     Grant Nemeth Several Schools Calling O-Lineman
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=320662&nid=1201790&fhn=1 
     Patrick Kuntz Big Weekend
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=320668&nid=1201834&fhn=1 
     Bobby Kelsey Illinois Kicker Receives Offers
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=320692&nid=1627480&fhn=1 
     Lemuel Jeanpierre Still the One
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=320746&nid=1313211&fhn=1 

     We told you that last week....
     Wildcats Sign Craig Moore to NLI
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111804aab.html 
     Big Ten Signs 27 Men's Basketball Student-Athletes During Early Signing
Period
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111804aab.html 
     Big Ten Schools Sign 41 Women's Basketball Recruits
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/111804aab.html 

SOCCER

     Northwestern Hosts First NCAA Game Friday
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/111704aac.html 
     + Men's Soccer: NU home for its 1st Big Dance
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419dbedd2208b 
     + Northwestern soccer earns tourney bid
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-18-04-438964.
html 

SWIMMING & DIVING

     Northwestern Prepared to Host Five-Team TYR Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/111804aaa.html 
     Northwestern's Alexandrov and Purdue's Karshen Collect Weekly Men's
Swimming and Diving Honors
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/111604aaa.html 

TENNIS

     Ohio State's Joey Atas Wins 2004 Big Ten Singles Championship
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/111804aab.html 

WRESTLING

     Women's volleyball: Setting fire
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419dbdac777a5 

MISCELLANY

     Myslenski: Black coaches continue fight
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-041116myslenski,1,1
355913.column?coll=cs-college-utility 

     And the CU Saga continues still...
     Audit reveals stricter controls needed at CU
      http://www.foxsports.com/story/3174634 
     + Regent: Colorado needs to restore confidence 
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/18/bc.fbc.universityinves
t.ap/index.html 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 20 08:49:14 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 20 17:28:19 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/20
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www.PurpleWildcats.com
for Purple Reign
& the NU Sports List

** Soccer 1st NCAA Win Saturday Edition **

Soccer gets to the 2nd round in the NCAAs, Football takes on the Illini,
Basketball splits, Men advance in the winner's bracket, Women lose. There's 
more Recruiting, along with weekend action on the Volleyball court. And some
Miscellany to keep you occupied this Saturday...

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SOCCER

     A truly Historic Win!
     Northwestern Rolls to NCAA Second Round, 4-1
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/recaps/111904aab.html 
     + Three of Four Big Ten Men's Soccer Teams Advance in NCAA Tournament
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/112004aaa.html 

FOOTBALL

     Here are a few of the pre-game stories
     Northwestern, Illinois Meet For 98th Time This Saturday At Ryan Field
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111504aab.html 
     + Clark Wildcats' ultimate veteran
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041119nuillini,1,28400
81.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Seniors want a 'sweet' ending
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-041118col
footnu,1,4677592.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + Bowl-hopeful Cats know Illini have fight
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu20.html 
     + Illinois-NU all about the players
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intid=3831194 
     + NU battles Illinois for pride, the Sweet Sioux, and survival in the bowl
race!
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats4f27b.html 
     The Game is on ESPN Gameplan, Here's the Link
      http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/gameplan/index 

Com,mentary:

     Cronin: NU focusing on the now, while Illinois looking ahead
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/203sd5.htm 

Next are the Fighting Illini

     Game gives Illini chance to make case for Turner
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-041119col
lfbillinoisnorthwestern,1,2546933.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + Illini try to win one for the skipper - Players get chance to make case
for coach
 
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2004/11/20/sports/college_sports/ea192789fd13ac6086
256f52000bf77f.txt 
     + With Turner's fate in the air, Illini focus on season finale
      http://www.sj-r.com/sections/sports/stories/40748.asp 
     + Ready for game, coach's ouster
      http://www.pjstar.com/stories/112004/ILL_B4P88QMM.080.shtml 
     $ UI fans can take heart on weekend
      http://www.news-gazette.com/sportsfacts/stories.cfm?NUMBER=14096 
     + New facilities: $300 million; Winning football: Priceless
 
http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2004/11/20/sports/mark_tupper/1004060.txt 

Big 10

     Trophies, Titles and Bowl Bids on the Line in Final Weekend of Big Ten
Football
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111904aaa.html 

Future Opponent's Stories-
as we find them...

     More injuries wrack the Warriors...
     [Hawaii] - Broadway has groin pull, may sit
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/19/sports/story3.html 
     + Sidelines
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/19/sports/simpson.html 

Men's BASKETBALL

     The Cats held Jeter down, but struggled with their Zone....
     Parker, Wildcats Ground Pilots, 56-53
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112004aab.html 
     + It Wasn't Pretty, But it Was A Win
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/321072.html 
     + Cats on the Winner side of the Bracket
      http://www.towc.org/bracket.htm 
     + Wildcats rally late to down Pilots
      http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113%7E7248%7E2548119,00.html 
     + NU floats to win up north
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041119nugamer,1,437725
5.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Wildcats win opener on Parker's three at buzzer
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cage20.html 
     + Northwestern's Buzzer-Beater Beats Portland, 56-53
 
http://www.towc.org/PRESS-Releases/2004%20Releases/11-19-04%20Northwesterns%20Bu
zzer-Beater%20Beats%20Portland%2056-53.htm 

     +Box Score: Northwestern Univ. 56 vs. Univ. of Portland 53
 
http://www.towc.org/Boxes/2004%20Boxes/Gm3%20Northwestern%20vs%20Portland.htm 
     Once again the Link to the Games on the Radio
      http://www.sportsjuice.com/providers2/index.php?tname=towc# 

  From the Portland Pilots

     Pilots Lose at Buzzer to Northwestern
      http://www.portlandpilots.com/sports/mbball/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=4861 

Looking Ahead:

     New Mexico State 11/20

     Just what we need, another team that has a close win...
     Western Michigan Univ. 61 vs. New Mexico State Univ. 65 OT
 
http://www.towc.org/Boxes/2004%20Boxes/Gm4%20Western%20Michigan%20vs%20New%20Mex
ico%20State.htm 
     + Aggies Open Season with a Thrilling Overtime Victory
 
http://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=9576&SPID=585&DB_OEM_ID=1900&
ATCLID=88749 
     + New Mexico State defeats Western Michigan; 65-61
 
http://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=9576&SPID=585&DB_OEM_ID=1900&
ATCLID=88750 

     at Colorado 11/28
     Buffs pass first test
 
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/cu/article/0,1299,DRMN_2938_3332019,00.htm
l 

     Virginia 12/1
      Virginia Rolls Over Robert Morris, 88-55
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/111904aaa.html 

     Chicago State 12/4
     Men's Basketball Set to Open 2004-05 Season Saturday at UCLA
      http://www.csu.edu/Athletics/Mbasketballhome.htm 

     DePaul 12/15
     Men's Basketball Opens Season Saturday vs. Bowling Green State
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=2&ID=1914 

     Seton Hall  12/19
     Men's Basketball Drops Season Opener to Richmond, 77-71
      http://www.shupirates.com/sports/mbball/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=2333 

Women's BASKETBALL

     Bluejays Fly by Wildcats, 77-65, to Open Women's Basketball Season
 
http://www.gocreighton.com/sports/common/news_releases_detail.asp?articleID=4053


RECRUITING

     Ramon Diaz: 'Skins trade TDs for TV
 
http://www.morrisdailyherald.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=58&ArticleID=
12221 
     + Maple Leafs blow into town again Saturday
 
http://www.morrisdailyherald.com/main.asp?SectionID=16&SubSectionID=72&ArticleID
=12233&TM=31577.83 
     + Singing the song of the unsung
 
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=12234&TM=31577.83 


SWIMMING & DIVING

     Day One Complete at the TYR Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-swim/spec-rel/111904aaa.html 

VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats Drop Match to Spartans, 3-0
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/111904aaa.html 

     Seniors Play Final Home Matches of Careers
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/111604aab.html 

MISCELLANY

     CU reports booster donations to NCAA, plans independent audits
      http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/wire?messageId=26633467 

     This could be a problem...
     'Husker charged in pregame attack on Sooner student
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From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Thu Nov 18 14:22:19 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 20 17:28:19 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
Message-ID: <l03130303bdc2aed415be@[66.170.161.163]>

My picks for week 12 are on the Web site -- remember to get yours in by
kickoff tonight if you haven't already. Sorry these are late ...

Another week of living around the .500 line for most of us, as the
UGa/Auburn and Purdue/OSU games split the list and the MSU and BC upsets
were only picked by a handful of people. With three weeks remaining in the
season, Chuck and Marilyn remain tied at the top. And kudos to Jim and Peg,
who were the only double-dippers on the upset specials, picking BC and
being the only two overall to pick MSU.

If you have any questions on the list below, e-mail me. To the big board ...

KEY: US = Upset Special picks  ///  WP = Weeks played
                                                    -- US --
LW TW  Name                  Wk 11  Overall  Pct.   TW  Ovrl WP
###############################################################
 1  1) Chuck Herron           7-3   107-28   .793    0    1  11
 1  1) Marilyn Zilka          7-3   107-28   .793    0    3  11
 3  3) Matt Barnard           6-4   105-30   .778    0    0  11
 4  4) Brad Wilson            6-4   103-32   .763    0    2  11
 7  5) John Labbe             ---    94-31   .752    0    5  10
 5  6) Bob Schooler           5-5   101-34   .748    0    3  11
 5  6) Eric Steffe            5-5   101-34   .748    0    2  11
13  8) Roger Bradshaw         8-2    99-36   .733    0    2  11
 9  8) Trey McAdams           7-3    99-36   .733    0    5  11
 9  8) Harlan Heiber          7-3    88-32   .733    0    3  10
13 11) Alan Wolfson           7-3    98-37   .726    0    2  11
 9 12) Ryan Farney            6-4    87-33   .725    0    0  10
 7 13) Mark Ament             3-7    97-38   .719    0    3  11
15 13) John Luken             7-3    97-38   .719    1    4  11
 9 13) Samuel Wolfson         5-5    97-38   .719    0    3  11
16 16) Chris Bailey           6-4    74-31   .705    0    1   9
18 17) Kelly Sevilla          6-4    93-42   .689    0    5  11
20 17) Stephen Truog          7-3    93-42   .689    0    3  11
19 19) Jim Bendat             6-4    82-38   .683    0    4  10
22 19) Ivars Embrekts         7-3    82-38   .683    0    2  10
17 21) Thomas Kettler         4-6    92-43   .681    1    4  11
23 21) Brad May               7-3    92-43   .681    0    5  11
24 23) Carl Rossi             7-3    81-39   .675    1    9  10
20 24) Sue O'Connor           4-6    90-45   .667    0    2  11
26 25) Michael Whelan         7-3    73-37   .664    0    1   9
25 26) Karen Capria           5-5    81-44   .648    0    5  10
29 27) Ace McInturff          7-3    86-49   .637    1    7  11
27 28) Bob Waldele            5-5    85-50   .630    0    4  11
27 29) John Lieske            5-5    69-41   .627    0    4   9
30 30) Jim Leonard            5-5    73-47   .608    2    6  10
32 31) Peg Wolfe              7-3    70-50   .583    2    6  10
31 32) Bill O'Connor          3-7    76-59   .563    0    5  11

Not eligible at this time (must be in 3/4 of the weeks)
-------------------------------------------------------
 x  x) David Warner           6-4    71-24   .747    0    2   8
 x  x) Joe Thiegs             6-4    75-30   .714    0    4   8
 x  x) Ty Levine              5-5    66-29   .695    0    3   8
 x  x) David Mikolajczak      6-4    57-28   .671    0    2   7
 x  x) Brian Winkler          5-5    53-27   .663    0    1   7
 x  x) Phredd Groves          8-2    52-23   .693    1    6   6
 x  x) Christopher Muzzo      ---    48-17   .738    -    0   5
 x  x) Andrew Hawkins         ---    11- 4   .733    -    0   1
 x  x) Chris Maresco          ---    11- 4   .733    -    0   1
 x  x) Scott Thomasson        ---    11- 4   .733    -    0   1
 x  x) Mike Mann              ---    10- 5   .667    -    1   1
 x  x) Kidcat Dan             ---     9- 6   .600    -    1   1

And the top five contenders for the other awards...

ROB JOHNSON "IRONMAN" AWARD (best of those who have competed every week)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) Chuck Herron          107-28
1) Marilyn Zilka         107-28
3) Matt Barnard          105-30
4) Brad Wilson           103-32
5) Bob Schooler          101-34
5) Eric Steffe           101-34

STEVE SCHNUR "ACCURACY" AWARD (best percentage - 5 week minimum)
----------------------------------------------------------------
1) Chuck Herron           79.3%
1) Marilyn Zilka          79.3%
3) Matt Barnard           77.8%
4) Brad Wilson            76.3%
5) John Labbe             75.2%

PAT FITZGERALD "MOST HITS" AWARD (most correct picks overall)
-------------------------------------------------------------
1) Chuck Herron          107
1) Marilyn Zilka         107
3) Matt Barnard          105
4) Brad Wilson           103
5) Bob Schooler          101
5) Eric Steffe           101

BRIAN MUSSO "GUTS" AWARD (most upset special picks)
---------------------------------------------------
1) Carl Rossi             9
2) Ace McInturff          7
3) Jim Leonard            6
3) Peg Wolfe              6
3) Six tied             5

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-SjT


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From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Nov 20 19:04:19 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 20 19:08:19 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac CATS!!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <e3.70e1cd0.2ed14393@aol.com>

For next Sat. night (11/27), when we play at Hawaii, ESPN's web site lists a 
7:45 p.m. game on ESPN and a 6:00 p.m. game on the "Deuce"--both E.S.T. 
listings.  Does anyone know what time we kick off vs. the Rainbows.  I don't see 
anything about later games--i.e., a 10 p.m. or 11 p.m. game.  Maybe they'll add 
us on, in that the game makes us bowl-eligible, especially since I believe 2 of 
the bowls we could end up in--Music City and Motor City--are ESPN games.   I 
will be with my son's travel soccer team next Saturday at a tournament in 
South Jersey near Philadelphia.  Some of them are always teasing me about NU 
games, because they know how I live and die each Saturday with the results.  It 
would be great if we all watched them (at our hotel) play themselves into a bowl. 
 I would be grinning from ear to ear, as would my boy.  I can almost taste it.

Given that tOSU won such a big game today, you have to believe they will get 
an invite to the Alamo.  I hope they do as well there as we did!  So it looks 
like we have to "look to the Rainbow(s)" to find our way to the Sun.....Bowl.  
[With credit to "Yip" Harburg for the lyric from his great show,"Finian's 
Rainbow".].

One more to go.

Paul Levinson
From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Nov 20 19:05:39 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 20 19:09:34 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1ec.2e619bf5.2ed143e3@aol.com>


From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Nov 20 19:15:48 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 20 19:19:45 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac CATS!!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <1c0.20df7c71.2ed14644@aol.com>

I'll respond to my own query:  According to Hawaii's web site, the game next 
week is listed for 11 p.m. E.S.T.  Also, the Rainbows, who host Idaho later 
this evening, are currently 4-5.  If they win tonight, and then beat us, and 
Sparty the week after, then they get to go to a bowl.  So here's hoping that they 
lose tonight, so that their incentive is not as great next Saturday.  Go 
IDAHO!

Paul Levinson
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 20 19:28:36 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 20 19:34:07 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Test the List
Message-ID: <001201c4cf69$6c5a9d10$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

To see if I've got it right

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
AIM Handle: CoachRoy74

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itself to prosperity...Think about it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Nov 20 20:42:02 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Nov 20 20:42:53 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] TV status
Message-ID: <200411210242.iAL2g2kJ004724@romaine.tssi.com>

I don't see anything conclusive on either the NU or the Hawaii
web sites regarding the television status of next Saturday's
game, but ESPN loves doing games in Hawaii and NU is one heckuva
story, so we can hope they'll make it the late game on ESPN2.
--
Mike Nolan

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 20 20:39:50 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov 20 20:43:49 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac CATS!!!! (fwd)
References: <1c0.20df7c71.2ed14644@aol.com>
Message-ID: <419FFFF6.9090309@earthlink.net>

If we beat Hawaii:

Will the Alamo Bowl take us above Purdue or Ohio State?  I doubt it.
Will the Sun Bowl take us above Purdue or Ohio State?  I also doubt it.
Will the Music City Bowl take us above Minnesota?  I think so.

So, if we beat Hawaii, I'm guessing we're going to Nashville.

Jim B.


From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sat Nov 20 22:56:25 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 20 23:01:11 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] WILDCAT WRAPUP: Northwestern 28, Illinois 21
Message-ID: <l03130301bdc59dbc52ac@[66.170.160.184]>

If Rick Taylor were still the NU athletic director, he might have tried to
bill season ticket holders for a seventh game this season. OK, maybe that's
a tad harsh, but the fans at Ryan Field have enjoyed a lot of extra
football this year ... a full four overtimes in three games, with the
Wildcats emerging victorious in each battle. The latest was Saturday's
28-21 OT win against Illinois, keeping the Sweet Sioux trophy in Evanston
and keeping Northwestern bowl hopes alive.

The win also gives the Cats a 5-3 league mark, good for sole possession of
fourth place in the Big Ten, a perfect conference home mark for 2004 ...
and it closes the season with the Wildcats on a five-game home win streak.
Three of those wins came in overtime, the other two by three points each.

Talk about getting your money's worth!

On an overcast November Saturday in Evanston, instate rivals Illinois and
Northwestern slugged it out for the 98th time in a mistake-filled game that
may not have always been pretty, but provided a lot of excitement in the
final minutes. Just as you'd expect on Senior Day at Northwestern.

On paper, the Cats had everything to play for and the Illini nothing. But
it's a rivalry game - so throw out those records. Plus, the Cats walked
into Champaign last year and literally walked over the Illini, not even
bothering to throw a pass in the second half en route to a 37-20 rout. On
top of that, Illinois coach Ron Turner is on his way out after three
straight disappointing seasons, and there are few things in football more
dangerous than a coach who has nothing to lose.

Northwestern's offense played perhaps its worst game of the season on
Saturday. Brett Basanez looked to have aggrivated that shoulder injury or
something else was wrong, because his throws were well off the mark. And
the Illini clearly had watched game tapes of last year and were keyed in on
the run. NU only ran 10 offensive plays in the first half and had a
whopping zero first downs after 15 minutes.

To make matters worse, we also played -- by far -- our sloppiest game of
the season. The Wildcats had made great strides in reducing the stupid
penalties from last year ... usually isolating them into one drive per
game, where we'd get 3 or 4 in a row to kill a promising series of plays,
but then play self-inflicted-wound-free the rest of the day. On Saturday,
NU compiled more penalty yards in the first quarter than actual yards ...
and had it not been for one big pass play in the second, the same would
have been true at the half.

A lot of those flags seemed suspicious to the disappointly small but loyal
and loud crowd at Ryan Field. Often, the two or three officials around the
play didn't see fit to call a penalty, but the back judge, a good 30 or 40
yards away, would run in late and toss a flag. Especially on punt returns.
Either this guy just had lasik surgery or he's got a different
interpretation of the rules than the rest of the zebras out there, because
when fans in the upper deck are closer to the play than you as an official
are, you shouldn't be the one making the call.

And the zebra follies didn't all cut against Northwestern either ... near
the end of the half, NU ran a 6-yard play on 2nd and 17, but the official
stepped in and signalled for the clock to stop ... for a measurement? Oops.
There were :25 left on the clock and Turner had to be livid that this time
wasn't running. Finally, when the refs noticed their error, they added time
... a second or two more than was on the clock when the play stopped. Some
of the crew were officiating their final game and they were not going
quietly into retirement, calling at least 16 penalties, with NU compiling a
whopping 112 yards of penalty yardage. Ouch. Let's just say it wasn't a
banner day for the players, coaches or officiating crew in Evanston.

Whatever the reason for NU's sloppy, mistake-prone play and inability to
move the ball, the Wildcat defense did show up on Saturday. Despite the
Illini enjoying starting field position around midfield for most of the
day, they bent, but didn't break to the orange and blue attack. Illinois
had one solid drive where they moved the ball downfield, but their other
two TD drives were set up by a Basanez interception and a series of
penalties on the punt return and defense. We were gashed more than you'd
like by Illini back Pierre Thomas, who really showed a lot of escapability
and potential ... but the D did their part to keep the game within a score
at all times. And that was important, because given our lack of a passing
game and inability to move on the ground, falling behind by 10 or 14 would
have been disastrous.

The Cats offense somehow managed to strike first in the game. After a
scoreless first quarter where the Illini dominated but were stripped of the
ball near the goal line by NU's defense, the Cats took over and Basanez
utilized his biggest asset - pocket mobility - to roll to the right and and
find Ashton Aikens for a 44-yard gain on 3rd and 8. That energized the
dormant attack for a few plays at least, and a few plays were all they
needed. A reverse netted 2 yards to move the ball to the UI 36, and Noah
Herron did the rest -- dashing through the Illini defense on two runs, the
second being a a 23-yard scamper to the end zone, giving NU the game's
opening touchdown.

The Illini quickly answered with their own impressive drive (aided by a
nice kickoff return to midfield), and added a touchdown following the
interception of Basanez (simply a bad read and too quick a throw off a play
fake) to head into the locker room ahead 14-7. Illinois dominated the first
half, doubling NU's time of possession and winning the field position war.
The yardage was almost even, but throw in the Cats' penalties and the edge
goes to UI again. Also, the Cats had as many first downs, five, as they did
3-and-outs. Would the offense wake up in the second half?

After exchanging punts in the second half, Northwestern put together its
one impressive drive of the game (each team had one impressive drive ...
one drive aided by a big play , the UI pickoff and the NU 44-yard pass, and
one wild card -- a fake FG for UI, a punt return for NU -- before
overtime). For a series, it looked like the Wildcat team that dominated the
Illini in the trenches last year had finally emerged. The Cats shoved the
ball right down the throats of the Illini. It started at the 22, but after
-- you guessed it -- a false start on NU, it became an 83-yard march
downfield. A Baz scramble for a few ... a Noah release pass for a first
down ... a Baz run ... a Terrell Jordan run ... a first down via Illinois
penalty ... Noah on the option ... Jordan up the gut ... Baz again ... Noah
gashing ahead for 14 ... Noah to the 1 ... Noah for SIX!

So after the penalty moved the ball to the 17, we attempted only one pass,
and that was a swing pass to Herron. The rest of this game-tying drive was
all on the offensive line. Northwestern pounded the ball right at the
Illini and moved it downfield for the tying score. Momentum had swung
Northwestern's way and both the fans in purple and those in ornage at Ryan
Field felt a sense of deja vu all over again. The Cats had come out of the
locker room trailing Illinois by a score, but were starting to manhandle
the Illini and run over them for TDs on the ground. Would this be the
wake-up call the O needed? Would this be the game-changing moment? Would
the Illini wilt again? Would history repeat itself?

Well, no. The Cats held on the following UI series, thanks to a great
chasedown sack by Loren Howard and had good field position. But the drive
was killed by -- you guessed it -- a flag for holding (stupid
self-inflicted-wounds!) and the Cats punted. If it's a punt return in this
game, then there must be a flag, and sure enough, our good friend the back
judge came running a good 20 or 30 yards to air his dirty laundry and set
up the Illini in strong field position. The D forced third down when -- you
guessed it -- a flag comes in and Dominique Price is called for
interference to keep the drive alive. The Illini capitalized and got down
to the 1 yard line at the end of the third quarter, tied 14-14, when things
got interesting.

You could feel a trick play coming from the opening kickoff. Turner was a
coach with nothing to lose and it's tough to know what a coach will do when
he can throw caution to the wind. But Turner played a fairly
straightforward game for three quarters. No fake punts or fourth down plays
on all those first half midfield possessions. Was he just lulling the Cats
to sleep?

After a brilliant goal line stand by the Wildcat defense (great stuff on
first down at the line ... great sack by Pickens on second down where UI
barely got the ball away without a knee touching or a grounding call and
another great stuff on third), the Illini lined up for the field goal to go
ahead 17-14. But in the immortal words of Admiral Ackbar: "It's a TRAP!"

Northwestern went for the block, and the Illini kicker simply hurdled the
diving defenders to walk into the end zone and give the Illini a 21-14 lead
with 13:25 remaining.

So now it was time for the Cats to wake up and for the O to take over,
right? Not quite. NU goes 3-and-out and asks the defense to keep them in
the game. They hold, and the Cats get the ball back at the 7 yard line with
7 minutes remaining. A couple of nice passes to Sean Herbert on Baz
rollouts moves the ball up to midfield, but the Cats stall at midfield.
After going for it on 4th and 2 (with Noah's sheer willpower the only
reason NU made the first down), Randy Walker opted to punt on 4th and 6
with just over 4 minutes remaining. We had three timeouts, but the pressure
was all on the Wildcat defense.

Again, the D stood up and held the Illini to a 3-and-out with 2:29
remaining in the game and forced the Illinois punt. Time was ticking away
and a trick play by the Illini on special teams was looking more and more
like it would spoil Northwestern's season. Would the Cardiac Cats and their
offense finally wake up NOW and get back in this game before it was too
late?

Nope ... but only because they never got a chance. A booming Illinois punt
sent Jeff Backes retreating to the 28 yard line. The Ohio speedster turned
around, shook off a couple Illini tackles and raced 72 yards to the end
zone to tie the game. Welcome back, Mr.Backes! After that dazzling return
at Minnesota, we've really missed this guy -- on defense for sure, but
especially on special teams. After the Illini surprised NU with a special
teams TD off a trick play, NU returned the favor with a trick of its own --
rare special teams execution and a game-changing touchdown.

But we weren't done with special teams. With 2:12 left, Wildcat fans had
barely got done celebrating when they had flashbacks to the 2001 MSU game
and Charles Rodgers answering an NU punt return TD with his own kickoff
return for a TD. Pierre Thomas nearly duplicated the feat, racing the
ensuing kickoff back to the NU 30. And with 2:00 left, the Illini were 30
yards away from beating their in-state rival.

The Wildcat defense came through again, though, bending a bit but forcing
the field goal attempt with Illinois' freshman kicker. Mr. Reda may not be
Mr. Nugent from OSU yet, but they do share a common trait in 2004 ...
missing a clutch field goal kick in Ryan Field. With the game on the line,
Reda hooked it wide left and guess what? We. Have. OVERTIME. For the fourth
time this season and the third time in Ryan Field, 60 minutes was not
enough time to determine a winner in a Northwestern football game.

Northwestern lost the toss and got the ball first. The offense didn't play
a good game today, but they did show up when it counted, promptly driving
to the end zone in overtime, picking up the blitz well and running the
ball. The game-winning touchdown came on a great call on 3rd and 2, faking
the run and rolling Baz out. He threw it to Jonathan Fields, who had
dropped two sure-catches earlier but snagged this one for six.

Once again, this game turned to the defense with NU players, coaches and
fans pleading with the D to salvage a win out of a sloppy game. The D
delivered, forcing the Illini to fourth down twice on their series from the
25. The first time, UI converted by barely crossing the 15. The second
time, there was a little contact but -- surprise! -- no flag thrown. Not
even from 30 yards downfield. The pass fell to the ground and the purple
people erupted in joy once again. The four Big Ten games in Ryan Field this
year literally came down to the last play, and the Cats emerged victorious
in all four. Bad for the ticker perhaps, but some exciting and
extraordinary football.

Whew. Three OT games at home ... four overall ... a couple more that came
down to the final minutes ... just another year of Wildcat football, folks.
We didn't play our best game today by a longshot, but when it came down to
crunchtime, this special group of Wildcats found enough to win the game.
And winning without your best stuff is a sign of a solid team. Hopefully
they can do it again next week so this incredible class of seniors can
finish their college careers in a bowl game. How great is this group? Well
...

Consider that this season, NU ...
- Finished 5-3, in sole possession of fourth place in the Big Ten
- Ensured a fifth .500 or better (in league play and overall) season in the
last decade
- Is one game away from a fifth bowl trip in ten years
- Went 5-1 at Ryan Field, 4-0 in Big Ten games
- Has a current home winning streak of five games
- Defeated (at the time) ranked teams in Ohio State and Purdue and lost to
only one (at the time) unranked team ... in triple overtime, on the road in
the opener

Consider that at one time or another, our quarterback, top running back,
top receiver, top D-lineman and starting linebacker and cornerback have
been injured this season, there were plenty of chances to pack it in.

Consider how this team fought back after two heartbreaking losses to start
the season and a 1-3 September with a tough Big Ten slate ahead of us. We
finished the season strong (winning 6 of the last 8 if we can win at
Hawaii) for a second straight season and have a chance to go bowling.

Thank you seniors. The fifth year seniors have a chance to go to three
bowls in their NU career -- something no other Cats class has done. Your
leadership has helped build this program. Hopefully you have two more games
in purple remaining. It was a pleasure to watch each of you play for the
past four or five years.

Thank you NUMB seniors ... cheerleading and Ladycat seniors ... and student
section seniors. Pro football, while a great sport, can't compare to the
excitement of college football and each of you are a huge reason why autumn
Saturdays in Evanston are so special.

Thank you seniors.

SjT GAME BALLS
==============
* NOAH HERRON: He didn't top 100, but he scored two big touchdowns and
passed some of the carries off to T.J. to build for the future. And on
those carries Jordan had, Herron demonstrated an impressive blocking
ability, busting holes on at least three nice runs. This guy's got it all
-- he showed breakaway speed last week at Michigan, he showed toughness on
the 4th and 2 call Saturday where Noah was hit at the line of scrimmage and
simply willed his way over the two needed yards of turf. He blocks, he
catches, he's licked any semblance of a fumble problem he had last year.
Noah Herron is the best running back in the Big Ten this year, period. And
while we've seen some good backs in Evanston during the last decade, from
the gifted Autry to the gritty Anderson to the hard-working Wright, I dunno
if we've seen as complete a back as Herron. This kid's special and
hopefully the pro scouts will look at all the things he brings to the table
and find a way to use him somewhere in the NFL next season.

* HOWARD, CASTILLO, CLARK, McGARIGLE, PICKENS, ROACH AND THE DEFENSE: The O
didn't show for most of the day and it was up to the D to keep us in the
game. They bent, but did not break -- always keeping the Cats within a play
of the lead. Castillo made some Herculean efforts to stuff the run,
McGarigle is a tackling machine much like his mentor, old #51 on the
sidelines, and Howard was just huge with those two sacks and other pressure
moments. If only we'd have had him for the whole season ... but it was a
solid defensive game, with a nice goal-line stand to boot, that kept our
bowl hopes alive and typified how far this unit has come this year. You
can't change your talent level overnight, but you can change your attitude
and the way you play as a team. These guys are primarily the same unit
gashed left and right the last few years. This year they've made tremendous
strides in making opponents one-dimensional and doing enough to get the
win. Kudos!

* JEFF BACKES: Wow. You wanna talk about a game breaker? After being
tripped up by the kicker at the NU 40 on his TD return, Backes was a mere
arm's length from the Illini defender. But from that point on, with the
defender in full run and Backes tripped up, the 40-yard-dash wasn't even
close. Backes breaks away from the defenders and scores. THAT's break-away
speed!

THINGS TO WORK ON
=================
* PENALTIES: I don't care if you had Big XII refs, you're playing Texas and
you're wearing a KU helmet ... 11 penalties for 112 yards is inexcusible.
Some of those may have been questionable, but a lot were stupid false
starts, sloppy holds and mental mistakes. We'd done so well on limiting
these all season ... hopefully this is a one-game blip on that mark.

* COME TO PLAY: The offense simply did not show up today. We never looked
energized. We never got in sync save one or two drives. And we never got a
rhythm going. We have to have a list of "starter" plays that are tried and
true yardage gainers to go to when we're stumbling to find some momentum.
And the line has to live up to its dominant potential on every series, not
just one drive.

* FOCUS: Memo to the NU team and coaches ... Hawaii is a beautiful place.
Thanksgiving is a family holiday. It's unfortunate that you have to miss
out a bit on both of those, but this isn't a game to take lightly. Focus on
coming ready to play, playing smart and playing together and after 60
minutes, you'll be back in the bowl scene. Get it done!

AROUND THE LEAGUE
=================
* After years of teams like Wisconsin and Northwestern watching "The Game"
and cheering for a Wolverine upset of the Buckeyes, it's fitting in this
bizarro world that the BUCKEYES play their game of the year and beat the
Wolverines ... only to watch MICHIGAN back door it into the Rose Bowl
anyway. A heck of a win under pressure and another road collapse for Carr
as his superfrosh finally showed their age. Now the OSU faithful have to be
thinking "we finally found a coach who beats Michigan consistently ... only
to have him get himself fired in a scandal? UGH!"

* The Big Ten has some of the nation's great coaches. John L. Smith has
worked near miracles his first two years in East Lansing. And Barry Alvarez
and Jim Tressel are as good as it gets. But no one has matched the job this
year of Kirk Ferentz at IOWA. These guys have been forced by injury to try
everyone but the waterboy at running back ... yet the haven't lost since
the end of September. Seven straight Big Ten wins later, including a
rousing thrashing of Wisconsin today, and the Hawkeyes have Ferentz' second
Big Ten title in three years. He's taken the Hawkeyes to three straight New
Year's bowls ... with a different offensive backfield each year. Amazing.

* As for WISCONSIN ... what a complete collapse to close the season. I'd
say it's unheard of, except that it almost mirrors Purdue's midyear
collapse following their loss to the Badgers. Here, Wisconsin rises to #4
and looks awesome in blitzing Minnesota in the home finale. Then they hit
the road and that cocky swagger and trash-talkin' defense fails to show up
for two straight weeks in East Lansing and Iowa City. And this happens when
everyone's back from injury and the freshmen have had nine games under
their belt? What happened?

* Perhaps PENN STATE can designate every home game Senior Day next year?
The Lions play about as well as anyone in the home finale and wind up
scoring almost more today than they did all year. In the process, MSU's
juggernaut comes unglued and the Motor City Bowl official weep bitterly.
With all of that defense back next year, if JoePa can get the O to be even
mediocre, the Lions could give the old coach a heck of a season to retire
on ... perhaps.

* PURDUE rolls to the bucket. Yawn. They beat the Buckeyes, but the OSU
name and that big win over Michigan may mean that the Boilers get passed up
in the bowl picture. Oh well, they can cry all the way to Evanston, where a
team that beat BOTH the Boilers and Buckeyes will likely get passed over in
the league bowl picks. Ugh.

So now it all comes down to the final game again this year. Win and we're
in the postseason for the second straight year. Lots of distractions await
on the islands, along with a powerful offense and veteran quarterback ...
no time for turkey, just get it done!

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!
-SjT

PS - Fun thought of the week ... if the NCAA had not added OT, NU's record
now could be 3-4-4.:)


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From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sat Nov 20 23:27:53 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 20 23:32:23 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowl scene ...
Message-ID: <l03130302bdc5d09144ac@[66.170.162.134]>

What a wild day for the Big Ten bowl scenarios! With the dust settled, this
much we know ...

- MICHIGAN is in ... the Rose Bowl, that is. But through the back door.

- MICHIGAN STATE is out. I suppose if we lose at Hawaii and MSU wins, the
league and Motor City Bowl could plead for a waiver to allow a 6-6 team to
fill out the seventh league slot, but they blew it in Happy Valley.

- NORTHWESTERN is hanging in there! One win to go! With MSU's loss, we're
guaranteed a bowl with a win next week. But with OSU and Purdue winning and
only a game back of us in the standings, it's likely both will leapfrog us.
But I'd prefer Nashville to El Paso anyway!:)

_ PURDUE and OHIO STATE improved their status. WISCONSIN is in a free fall.

We have six in and one more on the cusp. A quick look at the league
standings before looking at the bowls ...

1) Michigan      7-1
1) Iowa          7-1
3) Wisconsin     6-2
4) NORTHWESTERN  5-3
5) Ohio State    4-4
5) Purdue        4-4
5) Michigan St.  4-4
8) Minnesota     3-5

But bowls never go according to that order, it seems. So an educated guess ...

BCS BOWLS
---------
- ORANGE: USC vs. Auburn - Silly me to have faith in this messed-up system
to get the matchup right, but the Tigers clearly deserve a shot and SC is
the poll's #1, so the voters wise up and give us this matchup for the title.

- FIESTA: Oklahoma vs. Utah - The "other" unbeatens clash here and it's a
great matchup of coaching minds.

- SUGAR: Miami vs. Boston College - VaTech/Pitt might be the alternate and
that could have a lot of fans if the game were played in Heinz Field ...
but the Superdome gets stuck with the Big Least bid ... at least the TV
viewers might tune in to see Flutie highlights.

BIG TEN BOWLS
-------------
- ROSE: Michigan vs. Cal - This is pretty much set in stone, with the
Wolverines a lock and Cal all but assured unless the Irish shock SC next
week or something. Lots of gold and blue, lots of offense and the
Granddaddy should be an entertaining game once again.

- CITRUS: Iowa vs. Georgia - The Hawks earned this by thumping Wisky and
the RV's are revved up to visit Mickey. Dunno if UGa will be as happy to be
there, having higher hopes than returning to Orlando. With that outlook and
a coach like Ferentz opposing 'em, I'm already smelling upset.

- OUTBACK: Wisconsin vs. Tennessee - The Badgers still don't get to go to
Disney World, but instead we get lots of Cheeseheads, lots of Rocky Top
orange and a good old-fashioned smashmouth slobberknocker of a game. Can
the Badgers stop the bleeding? If both teams show up with their A games, it
could be a great one ... it could also get ugly if the inconsistent teams
show up.

- ALAMO: Ohio State vs. Oklahoma State - Yeah, the Buckeyes lost to BOTH
Northwestern AND Purdue, but they get this bid ahead of them by rep. It
pays to be a scandal school, I guess.:) Seriously though, the big win
against Michigan sealed it. San Antonio's had the Boilers and Cats, but now
they can get the Bucks down there to face another OSU in what could be a
scoring bonanza.

- SUN: Purdue vs. UCLA - Once again, NU is passed over for a team WE BEAT
as Kyle Orton's TD machine is more attractive for TV audiences, I guess.
Oregon State could sneak in here for the Pac 10 and make it another
shootout bowl game, but the Bruins' return to the bowl scene is a better
story and they get the bid because ASU moved up to San Diego when Cal got
the BCS spot.

- MUSIC CITY: Northwestern vs. Alabama - If we can win at Hawaii, it's
looking more and more like NU will wind up in Nashville, and it's probably
for the best. A repeat of Detroit wouldn't draw as well, El Paso is in the
middle of the desert and we probably can't reasonably hope for San Antonio.
Nashville is a relatively short drive away for a lot of alumni, it's a fun
town to spend New Year's Eve in (even if you're not a country fan:) ) and
should get a big purple crowd to come see a "new" bowl site. As for our
foe, it's a tossup. Florida's win at FSU probably knocked them out. South
Carolina could sneak in for Lou's last game and all that jazz, but they may
have no players left after the suspensions from that embarassing brawl ...
the most likely SEC foe is Bama, making their grand return to the
postseason after exiting the SEC's "Probation Rotation" plan. It'd be a
heck of a D to go up against and a tough assignment - with lots of crimson
in the stands. It's also be another bowl against a huge historical power --
SC, UT, UNL and now Bama? Could be a good game, though. But we gotta win
first.

- MOTOR CITY: Minnesota vs. Toledo. The Gophers deservedly claim the last
spot, finishing two games behind the Cats and finishing on a big downer.
Again, since Mason called that trick play to run up the score on fourth
down in Minny's September win over us, the Gophers are 2-5 and we're 5-2.
Karma? It'd be a rematch if UM faces Toledo, but the Rockets are nearby and
will bring fans, plus with Minny's late slide, it could be a good revenge
chance for UT.

If we slip up at Hawaii, Minny moves up to Nashville and the Motor City
folks hope MSU beats Hawaii the following week and tries to pull every
possible string to get Sparty that last bid and an exemption. But hopefully
the Cats come to play next week and seal up a trip to Nashville.

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!
-SjT


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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 20 23:33:00 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov 20 23:36:56 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] flashback
Message-ID: <41A0288C.1090508@earthlink.net>

When Jeff Backes returned that punt for a touchdown today, I couldn't 
help but flash on a similar big punt return for a TD in a final home 
game of a season -- Brian Musso vs. Iowa in 1995.  Both will forever 
provide great memories! -- Jim B.


From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sun Nov 21 00:24:01 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 21 00:28:40 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Chaos Theory (was: Big Ten bowl scene)
In-Reply-To: <l03130302bdc5d09144ac@[66.170.162.134]>
Message-ID: <l03130303bdc5e2e29288@[66.170.162.134]>

>- ROSE: Michigan vs. Cal - This is pretty much set in stone, with the
>Wolverines a lock and Cal all but assured unless the Irish shock SC next
>week or something. Lots of gold and blue, lots of offense and the
>Granddaddy should be an entertaining game once again.

One intriguing postscript here. We know that the top six BCS schools won or
didn't play today. HOWEVER ...

#7 (Michigan) and #8 (a highly overrated Florida State) lost.

#9 was Boise State and #10 was Louisville going in to this week.

... so if, say, Texas loses to Texas A&M (not out of the question) the day
after Thanksgiving ...

BCS chaos could rule and Boise State or Louisville could jump into the top
six along with Utah! TWO "mid-major" BCS busters? Don't laugh!:)

And who would lose with that? Cal. With the two automatic bids gone, all of
a sudden, Pasadena is left without their Golden Bears.

Throw in upsets from the ACC, Big Least and title games and a ND or UCLA
upset of $C and you could get the BCS Chaos Theory ...

ORANGE: Utah vs. Boise State
ROSE: Michigan vs. USC
SUGAR: Tennessee vs. Virginia
FIESTA: Iowa State vs. Pitt

On another note ...

Did the ESPN+ truck in Evanston get lost on the way back to the Mother Ship?

Sports Center ... GameDay Final ... all have highlights of the Big Ten
games in Columbus, Iowa City, State College and even West Lafayette. No
NU-Illinois highlights. What gives? I'd hope ESPN shows the Hawaii game
next week on one of their networks, but first they need to know we exist!:)

Nice win today, though. Can't believe the home season's done already, but
it sure was a wild ride.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 21 06:22:10 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov 21 10:22:58 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/21
Message-ID: <001801c4cfc4$bb5bc5f0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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** Sunday Early Winner's Edition **

Early wrapup of the Football win and the Basketball loss as Soccer heads west to
the next round of the NCAA's. Also Recruiting, Swimming, 
Volleyball, and some commentary too.

                                             All the News that Fits We Link
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more


SOCCER

     Northwestern's Season of Firsts Continues at Creighton
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/112004aab.html 
     + NCAA Tournament Second Round Notes in PDF Format
 
http://www.fansonly.com/photos/schools/nw/sports/m-soccer/auto_pdf/NCAAnotes2ndr
ound.pdf 

FOOTBALL

     That's 3 wins out of 4 - 4 OTs is an NCAA Record!
     Wildcats Upend Illini -- In Another Overtime
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/112004aab.html 
     + Cardiac Cats Redux IV - NU over Illinois 28-21
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/321230.html 
     + More Post Game Interviews
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/321285.html 
     + Northwestern 28, Illinois 21, OT
 
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/gamecenter/recap/NCAAF_20041120_IL@NW 
     + No way out? Cats find one, of course
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041120nuillinigamer,1,
7175958.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Backes goes the distance
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041120nubits,1,7679319
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Overtime win for NU, over and out for Illinois
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu21.html 
     + NU works OT magic
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intid=3831298 
     + Backes does what he's told 
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38312122 

     We're #4!
     Official Big 10 Standings:
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/big10-m-footbl-body.html 

Commentary:

     Tormey: Three and Out
      http://sports.wnur.org/analysts/ft111904.html 
     Bobak: The Malcontent 
     http://sports.wnur.org/analysts/gb111904.html 


>From the Fighting Illini

     Illini Edged By Northwestern In OT
 
http://fightingillini.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/112004aaa.html 
     + Signs point to Turner exit
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041120illinifoot,1,486
600.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Turner likely toast
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38312120 
     + Illinois lets one slip away - Fall to Northwestern in overtime
 
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2004/11/21/sports/college_sports/52ad683a520e516086
256f5300048e64.txt 
     + Illini finish season with prolonged suffering
 
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/illini/story/6C8503299B69CBE
C86256F5300249045?OpenDocument&Headline=Illini+finish+season+with+prolonged+suff
ering 

Big 10

     An Iowa Win and a Michigan Loss Leads to Co-Big Ten Champions
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112004aaf.html 
     + Michigan Gains The Rose Bowl, 30-7
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=321258 
     + Wisconsin squandered its chance
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/20/bc.fbc.wisconsin.iowa.
ap/index.html 

     Purdue's Stubblefield breaks NCAA receiving record 
      http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/wire?messageId=26640269 


Hawaii is all that's left...

     Warriors Beat Up on Vandals
      http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/recap.html?rid=13604&p=3 

Men's BASKETBALL

     Wildcats Fall to New Mexico State, 64-61
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112104aaa.html 
     Northwestern 61 vs. New Mexico State Univ. 64
 
http://www.towc.org/Boxes/2004%20Boxes/Gm8%20Northwestern%20vs%20New%20Mexico.ht
m 
     Tourney Bracket
      http://www.towc.org/bracket.htm 

Looking Ahead:

     Utah State
     Central Florida 55 vs. Utah State 52
 
http://www.towc.org/Boxes/2004%20Boxes/Gm7%20Central%20Florida%20vs%20Utah%20Sta
te.htm 

     at Colorado 11/28

     Virginia 12/1

     Chicago State 12/4

     DePaul 12/15
     Demons shake off 1st-half slumber, win opener
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041120demons,1,1781064
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Blue Demons start slow, finish fast
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-demon21.html 

     Seton Hall  12/19


Women's BASKETBALL



RECRUITING

     Illinois OL/DL - Grant Nemeth
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=321168 

     Ramon Diaz: Team continues to advance
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/cs-041120prepfbrup,1,1
528339.story?coll=cs-highschool-headlines 


SWIMMING & DIVING

     Northwestern Pulling Away at TYR Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-swim/recaps/112004aaa.html 
     Matt Grevers Shatters Six Pool Records at NU TYR Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/112004aaa.html 

VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats Fall to Michigan, 3-0
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/112004aab.html 

MISCELLANY

     Delany: NCAA has difficult job ahead at OSU
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/20/bc.fbc.ohiost.delany.a
p/index.html 
     + Kindred: Ohio State part of the big lie 
      http://www.foxsports.com/story/3165498 

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From neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com  Sun Nov 21 09:29:23 2004
From: neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com (Kaplan, Neil)
Date: Sun Nov 21 10:22:58 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawaill TV
Message-ID: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB06716BCA@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>

According to my directv guide, next week's game will be on FSW2 which
carries most Hawaii home games at 8 pm pst; channel 653
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 21 10:33:51 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov 21 10:37:44 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Nashville
Message-ID: <41A0C36F.9040400@earthlink.net>

We've been speculating on this list on where we'll go if we beat Hawaii. 
 Today's Tribune and Daily Herald say it looks like it will be 
Nashville.  The Sun-Times, however, is even more definitive.  Their 
article indicates that "NU now knows it will play in the Music City Bowl 
in Nashville . . ." if we in next week.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu21.html

Jim B.


From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 21 10:41:32 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 21 10:42:48 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Nashville (fwd)
Message-ID: <200411211641.iALGfWtD023872@romaine.tssi.com>

> We've been speculating on this list on where we'll go if we beat Hawaii. 
>  Today's Tribune and Daily Herald say it looks like it will be 
> Nashville.  The Sun-Times, however, is even more definitive.  Their 
> article indicates that "NU now knows it will play in the Music City Bowl 
> in Nashville . . ." if we in next week.

I have a client in Crossville, about 100 miles east of Nashville, I might 
have to find an excuse to visit them around them.  :-)
--
Mike Nolan

From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sun Nov 21 10:51:54 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (sjtruog@jorsm.com)
Date: Sun Nov 21 11:02:23 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Nashville
In-Reply-To: <41A0C36F.9040400@earthlink.net>
References: <41A0C36F.9040400@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <52392.66.170.160.103.1101055914.squirrel@webmail.jorsm.com>

> We've been speculating on this list on where we'll go if we beat Hawaii.
>  Today's Tribune and Daily Herald say it looks like it will be
> Nashville.  The Sun-Times, however, is even more definitive.  Their
> article indicates that "NU now knows it will play in the Music City Bowl
> in Nashville . . ." if we in next week.
>
Well, they're a little late:) but good to have them on board as well. Now
if ESPN could only find some highlights or mention us in the same breath
as Big Ten bowl teams.

We've been suspecting Music City Bowl on the list for a couple weeks now
anyway. And I do think Nashville's a better spot for us than ElPaso and
that we'd bring a lot of fans to the Music City.

Now we just gotta win at Hawaii.

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!
-SjT

From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov 21 12:08:00 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov 21 12:08:19 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawaill TV
In-Reply-To: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB06716BCA@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>
References: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB06716BCA@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>
Message-ID: <47C7A68B-3BE8-11D9-AF75-000A95960BF2@mac.com>

I have Comcast cable in Chicago, and according to the Comcast listings 
(on my Comcast DVR box), the game will be on "Fox Sports Digital 
Pacific," which is on channels 264 and 415.  It's only part of the 
digital premier package.  I have digital, but not the premier package.  
I'll be looking into it this week.  It looks like it's only a $5/month 
option if you already have digital cable.  If you'd like more 
information about what I find out, let me know off list.

I'm surprised that the fact that the game will be televised hasn't been 
posted on the NU website, even if it's only on Fox Sports.

John




On Nov 21, 2004, at 9:29 AM, Kaplan, Neil wrote:

> According to my directv guide, next week's game will be on FSW2 which
> carries most Hawaii home games at 8 pm pst; channel 653
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From nolan at gw.tssi.com  Sat Nov 20 15:58:50 2004
From: nolan at gw.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:17 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] testing
Message-ID: <200411202159.iAKLx5md012146@gw.tssi.com>

testing

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 20 17:06:15 2004
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:17 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac CATS!!!!
Message-ID: <126.508bd14d.2ed127e7@aol.com>

What a game!!  A record for Division 1-A, 4 overtimes (and 3  wins).  With 
the Penn St. victory does that mean we go to El  Paso?

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Nov 20 17:12:55 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:17 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac CATS!!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200411202312.iAKNCtfA023302@romaine.tssi.com>

> What a game!!  A record for Division 1-A, 4 overtimes (and 3  wins).  With 
> the Penn St. victory does that mean we go to El  Paso?

They still have to win in Hawaii to be bowl-eligible.  That's not a given,
but then what is for this team?  

I assume that game will be on TV, ESPN knows a good thing when it sees one!
--
Mike Nolan



From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Thu Nov 18 21:41:15 2004
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:17 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: [Northwestern Sports] A Northwestern tradition
 that's not well known
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> about one of the songs called "March of the Steel Men."  Evidently, this
> song has been played by our band at the final home game of each season
> since 1928, so I assume it will be played this Saturday as well.  It's a
> tune that is both rousing and sentimental.  I'd be curious to hear from
> former NUMB members who might tell us more about the "Steel Men."

"March of the Steel Men" was always one of my favorite/most hated things
to play in NUMB.

My favorite, because it had so much tradition going for it, it's a great
song, and the drill is classic and bombastic.

My most hated, because I invariably would be sad that the season really
was over.  Until my generation of NUMBers came around, the season really
*was* over after the last home game.  What a great thing that going to a
bowl game seems like it can be in our reach almost every year these days!

Here's the words NUMB made up for this song, in case you're interested.
As a side note, as a NUMBer, one of my favorite things was all of the
amusing songs we sang when we weren't playing.  This is one of them:

-----------------------------------------------
The March Of the Steel Men
NUMB Lyrics

Well the marching season's over
and we're really sad it is
no more chills
no more spills
no more marching when it's raining
but we love it so much, we'll be back next year
'cause you're always part of NUMB
and you know you'll always be a part of it
even as
a NUMB-ALUM!
-----------------------------------------------

Some folks replace "sad" with "glad". ;-)  Also, they're not very
grammatical at the end, but hey, what can ya do?

Does anyone know the complete anti-fight-song lyrics to the Illinois
fight song?  The one I used to know started out like this:

-------------------------------------
You're just a state school, Ell-annoy
Your band scares every girl and boy
-------------------------------------

Go Cats,

Jonathan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 19 11:19:52 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/19
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** Basketball Friday - Football Saturday Edition **

The Basketball season begins tonight at the BP Top of the World Classic - with
links to stories and the Broadcast. Soccer History today on the Lakefront. 
Football has a fairly important game tomorrow too. There's also Recruiting
updates, along with Soccer, Swimming, Tennis, and Wrestling.and More!

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Making up for lost time...

Northwestern To Induct 265 Women's Athletic Association Members Into N-Club 
http://nusports.collegesports.com/genrel/111804aaa.html 



FOOTBALL

     NU battles Illinois for pride, the Sweet Sioux, and survival in the bowl
race!
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats4f27b.html 
     The Lowe's Line: prediction for Northwestern's home finale.
      http://hailtopurple.com/features/lowesline4k18.html 
     Pregame Intel: NU vs Illinois
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/320869.html 
     The Link to Gameplan
      http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/gameplan/index 

Commentary:

     The Waterboy: Singin' the Blues
      http://www.fareastwildcat.com/ 


Next are the Fighting Illini

     Football looks to end with win
 
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/2004/11/19/Sports/Football.Looks.To.End.With.Win
-811219.shtml 
     Illini punter on track for promising future
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041118illinifoot,1,546
7343.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     Cronin: When Turner contemplates what went wrong, he needs to begin with
recruiting
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/192sd1.htm 

Big 10

     Big Ten Weekly Football Release - November 15
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111504aad.html 

Future Opponent's Stories-
as we find them...

     [Hawaii] - 

Men's BASKETBALL

     Carmody: In Top Form at the Top of the World
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/320590.html 
      Wildcats Ready To Tip Off in Alaska
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111804aae.html 
     + Cats hope cold brings hot start
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419dbbb36f12f 
     Here's the Link to the Broadcast

     +Duo at the top of their game
      http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113%7E7244%7E2545562,00.html 
     2004-05 Big Ten Men's Basketball Season Previews
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111704aaa.html 

Next up the Portland Pilots

     Pregame Intel - The Portland Pilots
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/320907.html 

Looking Ahead:

     Then its either:  New Mexico State 11/20
     Henson on the Comeback Trail
 
http://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=9576&SPID=585&DB_OEM_ID=1900&
ATCLID=88516 
     or  Western Michigan 11/20
      Game Notes vs NMS
      http://www.wmubroncos.com/sports/basketball/men/WMUnotes.pdf 
     at Colorado 11/28
      Lost to Michigan in the NIT
      http://www.cubuffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=600&ATCLID=88467 
     Virginia 12/1


     Chicago State 12/4


     DePaul 12/15
     Demons' Green schooled, ready
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041118demons,1,4926799
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     Seton Hall  12/19


Women's BASKETBALL

     Wildcats Are Nebraska-Bound
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/111804aaa.html 
     + Operation overhaul
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419dbb20a733c 

RECRUITING

     Crunching the Numbers
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/320519.html 
     $ Another opinion on the scholarship numbers
 
http://mb1.scout.com/fnorthwesternfrm1.showMessage?topicID=755.topic&index=6 
     $ I think we have more than 17
      http://northwestern.Scout.com/2/320879.html 

     Grant Nemeth Several Schools Calling O-Lineman
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=320662&nid=1201790&fhn=1 
     Patrick Kuntz Big Weekend
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=320668&nid=1201834&fhn=1 
     Bobby Kelsey Illinois Kicker Receives Offers
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=320692&nid=1627480&fhn=1 
     Lemuel Jeanpierre Still the One
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=320746&nid=1313211&fhn=1 

     We told you that last week....
     Wildcats Sign Craig Moore to NLI
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111804aab.html 
     Big Ten Signs 27 Men's Basketball Student-Athletes During Early Signing
Period
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111804aab.html 
     Big Ten Schools Sign 41 Women's Basketball Recruits
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/111804aab.html 

SOCCER

     Northwestern Hosts First NCAA Game Friday
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/111704aac.html 
     + Men's Soccer: NU home for its 1st Big Dance
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419dbedd2208b 
     + Northwestern soccer earns tourney bid
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-18-04-438964.
html 

SWIMMING & DIVING

     Northwestern Prepared to Host Five-Team TYR Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/111804aaa.html 
     Northwestern's Alexandrov and Purdue's Karshen Collect Weekly Men's
Swimming and Diving Honors
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/111604aaa.html 

TENNIS

     Ohio State's Joey Atas Wins 2004 Big Ten Singles Championship
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/111804aab.html 

WRESTLING

     Women's volleyball: Setting fire
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419dbdac777a5 

MISCELLANY

     Myslenski: Black coaches continue fight
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-041116myslenski,1,1
355913.column?coll=cs-college-utility 

     And the CU Saga continues still...
     Audit reveals stricter controls needed at CU
      http://www.foxsports.com/story/3174634 
     + Regent: Colorado needs to restore confidence 
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/18/bc.fbc.universityinves
t.ap/index.html 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 20 08:49:14 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/20
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for Purple Reign
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** Soccer 1st NCAA Win Saturday Edition **

Soccer gets to the 2nd round in the NCAAs, Football takes on the Illini,
Basketball splits, Men advance in the winner's bracket, Women lose. There's 
more Recruiting, along with weekend action on the Volleyball court. And some
Miscellany to keep you occupied this Saturday...

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SOCCER

     A truly Historic Win!
     Northwestern Rolls to NCAA Second Round, 4-1
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/recaps/111904aab.html 
     + Three of Four Big Ten Men's Soccer Teams Advance in NCAA Tournament
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/112004aaa.html 

FOOTBALL

     Here are a few of the pre-game stories
     Northwestern, Illinois Meet For 98th Time This Saturday At Ryan Field
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111504aab.html 
     + Clark Wildcats' ultimate veteran
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041119nuillini,1,28400
81.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Seniors want a 'sweet' ending
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-041118col
footnu,1,4677592.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + Bowl-hopeful Cats know Illini have fight
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu20.html 
     + Illinois-NU all about the players
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intid=3831194 
     + NU battles Illinois for pride, the Sweet Sioux, and survival in the bowl
race!
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats4f27b.html 
     The Game is on ESPN Gameplan, Here's the Link
      http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/gameplan/index 

Com,mentary:

     Cronin: NU focusing on the now, while Illinois looking ahead
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/203sd5.htm 

Next are the Fighting Illini

     Game gives Illini chance to make case for Turner
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-041119col
lfbillinoisnorthwestern,1,2546933.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + Illini try to win one for the skipper - Players get chance to make case
for coach
 
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2004/11/20/sports/college_sports/ea192789fd13ac6086
256f52000bf77f.txt 
     + With Turner's fate in the air, Illini focus on season finale
      http://www.sj-r.com/sections/sports/stories/40748.asp 
     + Ready for game, coach's ouster
      http://www.pjstar.com/stories/112004/ILL_B4P88QMM.080.shtml 
     $ UI fans can take heart on weekend
      http://www.news-gazette.com/sportsfacts/stories.cfm?NUMBER=14096 
     + New facilities: $300 million; Winning football: Priceless
 
http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2004/11/20/sports/mark_tupper/1004060.txt 

Big 10

     Trophies, Titles and Bowl Bids on the Line in Final Weekend of Big Ten
Football
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111904aaa.html 

Future Opponent's Stories-
as we find them...

     More injuries wrack the Warriors...
     [Hawaii] - Broadway has groin pull, may sit
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/19/sports/story3.html 
     + Sidelines
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/19/sports/simpson.html 

Men's BASKETBALL

     The Cats held Jeter down, but struggled with their Zone....
     Parker, Wildcats Ground Pilots, 56-53
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112004aab.html 
     + It Wasn't Pretty, But it Was A Win
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/321072.html 
     + Cats on the Winner side of the Bracket
      http://www.towc.org/bracket.htm 
     + Wildcats rally late to down Pilots
      http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113%7E7248%7E2548119,00.html 
     + NU floats to win up north
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041119nugamer,1,437725
5.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Wildcats win opener on Parker's three at buzzer
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cage20.html 
     + Northwestern's Buzzer-Beater Beats Portland, 56-53
 
http://www.towc.org/PRESS-Releases/2004%20Releases/11-19-04%20Northwesterns%20Bu
zzer-Beater%20Beats%20Portland%2056-53.htm 

     +Box Score: Northwestern Univ. 56 vs. Univ. of Portland 53
 
http://www.towc.org/Boxes/2004%20Boxes/Gm3%20Northwestern%20vs%20Portland.htm 
     Once again the Link to the Games on the Radio
      http://www.sportsjuice.com/providers2/index.php?tname=towc# 

  From the Portland Pilots

     Pilots Lose at Buzzer to Northwestern
      http://www.portlandpilots.com/sports/mbball/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=4861 

Looking Ahead:

     New Mexico State 11/20

     Just what we need, another team that has a close win...
     Western Michigan Univ. 61 vs. New Mexico State Univ. 65 OT
 
http://www.towc.org/Boxes/2004%20Boxes/Gm4%20Western%20Michigan%20vs%20New%20Mex
ico%20State.htm 
     + Aggies Open Season with a Thrilling Overtime Victory
 
http://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=9576&SPID=585&DB_OEM_ID=1900&
ATCLID=88749 
     + New Mexico State defeats Western Michigan; 65-61
 
http://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=9576&SPID=585&DB_OEM_ID=1900&
ATCLID=88750 

     at Colorado 11/28
     Buffs pass first test
 
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/cu/article/0,1299,DRMN_2938_3332019,00.htm
l 

     Virginia 12/1
      Virginia Rolls Over Robert Morris, 88-55
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/111904aaa.html 

     Chicago State 12/4
     Men's Basketball Set to Open 2004-05 Season Saturday at UCLA
      http://www.csu.edu/Athletics/Mbasketballhome.htm 

     DePaul 12/15
     Men's Basketball Opens Season Saturday vs. Bowling Green State
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=2&ID=1914 

     Seton Hall  12/19
     Men's Basketball Drops Season Opener to Richmond, 77-71
      http://www.shupirates.com/sports/mbball/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=2333 

Women's BASKETBALL

     Bluejays Fly by Wildcats, 77-65, to Open Women's Basketball Season
 
http://www.gocreighton.com/sports/common/news_releases_detail.asp?articleID=4053


RECRUITING

     Ramon Diaz: 'Skins trade TDs for TV
 
http://www.morrisdailyherald.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=58&ArticleID=
12221 
     + Maple Leafs blow into town again Saturday
 
http://www.morrisdailyherald.com/main.asp?SectionID=16&SubSectionID=72&ArticleID
=12233&TM=31577.83 
     + Singing the song of the unsung
 
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=12234&TM=31577.83 


SWIMMING & DIVING

     Day One Complete at the TYR Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-swim/spec-rel/111904aaa.html 

VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats Drop Match to Spartans, 3-0
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/111904aaa.html 

     Seniors Play Final Home Matches of Careers
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/111604aab.html 

MISCELLANY

     CU reports booster donations to NCAA, plans independent audits
      http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/wire?messageId=26633467 

     This could be a problem...
     'Husker charged in pregame attack on Sooner student
      http://www.foxsports.com/story/3178012 



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From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Thu Nov 18 14:22:19 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
Message-ID: <l03130303bdc2aed415be@[66.170.161.163]>

My picks for week 12 are on the Web site -- remember to get yours in by
kickoff tonight if you haven't already. Sorry these are late ...

Another week of living around the .500 line for most of us, as the
UGa/Auburn and Purdue/OSU games split the list and the MSU and BC upsets
were only picked by a handful of people. With three weeks remaining in the
season, Chuck and Marilyn remain tied at the top. And kudos to Jim and Peg,
who were the only double-dippers on the upset specials, picking BC and
being the only two overall to pick MSU.

If you have any questions on the list below, e-mail me. To the big board ...

KEY: US = Upset Special picks  ///  WP = Weeks played
                                                    -- US --
LW TW  Name                  Wk 11  Overall  Pct.   TW  Ovrl WP
###############################################################
 1  1) Chuck Herron           7-3   107-28   .793    0    1  11
 1  1) Marilyn Zilka          7-3   107-28   .793    0    3  11
 3  3) Matt Barnard           6-4   105-30   .778    0    0  11
 4  4) Brad Wilson            6-4   103-32   .763    0    2  11
 7  5) John Labbe             ---    94-31   .752    0    5  10
 5  6) Bob Schooler           5-5   101-34   .748    0    3  11
 5  6) Eric Steffe            5-5   101-34   .748    0    2  11
13  8) Roger Bradshaw         8-2    99-36   .733    0    2  11
 9  8) Trey McAdams           7-3    99-36   .733    0    5  11
 9  8) Harlan Heiber          7-3    88-32   .733    0    3  10
13 11) Alan Wolfson           7-3    98-37   .726    0    2  11
 9 12) Ryan Farney            6-4    87-33   .725    0    0  10
 7 13) Mark Ament             3-7    97-38   .719    0    3  11
15 13) John Luken             7-3    97-38   .719    1    4  11
 9 13) Samuel Wolfson         5-5    97-38   .719    0    3  11
16 16) Chris Bailey           6-4    74-31   .705    0    1   9
18 17) Kelly Sevilla          6-4    93-42   .689    0    5  11
20 17) Stephen Truog          7-3    93-42   .689    0    3  11
19 19) Jim Bendat             6-4    82-38   .683    0    4  10
22 19) Ivars Embrekts         7-3    82-38   .683    0    2  10
17 21) Thomas Kettler         4-6    92-43   .681    1    4  11
23 21) Brad May               7-3    92-43   .681    0    5  11
24 23) Carl Rossi             7-3    81-39   .675    1    9  10
20 24) Sue O'Connor           4-6    90-45   .667    0    2  11
26 25) Michael Whelan         7-3    73-37   .664    0    1   9
25 26) Karen Capria           5-5    81-44   .648    0    5  10
29 27) Ace McInturff          7-3    86-49   .637    1    7  11
27 28) Bob Waldele            5-5    85-50   .630    0    4  11
27 29) John Lieske            5-5    69-41   .627    0    4   9
30 30) Jim Leonard            5-5    73-47   .608    2    6  10
32 31) Peg Wolfe              7-3    70-50   .583    2    6  10
31 32) Bill O'Connor          3-7    76-59   .563    0    5  11

Not eligible at this time (must be in 3/4 of the weeks)
-------------------------------------------------------
 x  x) David Warner           6-4    71-24   .747    0    2   8
 x  x) Joe Thiegs             6-4    75-30   .714    0    4   8
 x  x) Ty Levine              5-5    66-29   .695    0    3   8
 x  x) David Mikolajczak      6-4    57-28   .671    0    2   7
 x  x) Brian Winkler          5-5    53-27   .663    0    1   7
 x  x) Phredd Groves          8-2    52-23   .693    1    6   6
 x  x) Christopher Muzzo      ---    48-17   .738    -    0   5
 x  x) Andrew Hawkins         ---    11- 4   .733    -    0   1
 x  x) Chris Maresco          ---    11- 4   .733    -    0   1
 x  x) Scott Thomasson        ---    11- 4   .733    -    0   1
 x  x) Mike Mann              ---    10- 5   .667    -    1   1
 x  x) Kidcat Dan             ---     9- 6   .600    -    1   1

And the top five contenders for the other awards...

ROB JOHNSON "IRONMAN" AWARD (best of those who have competed every week)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) Chuck Herron          107-28
1) Marilyn Zilka         107-28
3) Matt Barnard          105-30
4) Brad Wilson           103-32
5) Bob Schooler          101-34
5) Eric Steffe           101-34

STEVE SCHNUR "ACCURACY" AWARD (best percentage - 5 week minimum)
----------------------------------------------------------------
1) Chuck Herron           79.3%
1) Marilyn Zilka          79.3%
3) Matt Barnard           77.8%
4) Brad Wilson            76.3%
5) John Labbe             75.2%

PAT FITZGERALD "MOST HITS" AWARD (most correct picks overall)
-------------------------------------------------------------
1) Chuck Herron          107
1) Marilyn Zilka         107
3) Matt Barnard          105
4) Brad Wilson           103
5) Bob Schooler          101
5) Eric Steffe           101

BRIAN MUSSO "GUTS" AWARD (most upset special picks)
---------------------------------------------------
1) Carl Rossi             9
2) Ace McInturff          7
3) Jim Leonard            6
3) Peg Wolfe              6
3) Six tied             5

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE ILL-INI!!!
-SjT


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From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Nov 20 19:04:19 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac CATS!!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <e3.70e1cd0.2ed14393@aol.com>

For next Sat. night (11/27), when we play at Hawaii, ESPN's web site lists a 
7:45 p.m. game on ESPN and a 6:00 p.m. game on the "Deuce"--both E.S.T. 
listings.  Does anyone know what time we kick off vs. the Rainbows.  I don't see 
anything about later games--i.e., a 10 p.m. or 11 p.m. game.  Maybe they'll add 
us on, in that the game makes us bowl-eligible, especially since I believe 2 of 
the bowls we could end up in--Music City and Motor City--are ESPN games.   I 
will be with my son's travel soccer team next Saturday at a tournament in 
South Jersey near Philadelphia.  Some of them are always teasing me about NU 
games, because they know how I live and die each Saturday with the results.  It 
would be great if we all watched them (at our hotel) play themselves into a bowl. 
 I would be grinning from ear to ear, as would my boy.  I can almost taste it.

Given that tOSU won such a big game today, you have to believe they will get 
an invite to the Alamo.  I hope they do as well there as we did!  So it looks 
like we have to "look to the Rainbow(s)" to find our way to the Sun.....Bowl.  
[With credit to "Yip" Harburg for the lyric from his great show,"Finian's 
Rainbow".].

One more to go.

Paul Levinson

From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Nov 20 19:05:39 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1ec.2e619bf5.2ed143e3@aol.com>



From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Nov 20 19:15:48 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac CATS!!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <1c0.20df7c71.2ed14644@aol.com>

I'll respond to my own query:  According to Hawaii's web site, the game next 
week is listed for 11 p.m. E.S.T.  Also, the Rainbows, who host Idaho later 
this evening, are currently 4-5.  If they win tonight, and then beat us, and 
Sparty the week after, then they get to go to a bowl.  So here's hoping that they 
lose tonight, so that their incentive is not as great next Saturday.  Go 
IDAHO!

Paul Levinson

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 20 19:28:36 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Test the List
Message-ID: <001201c4cf69$6c5a9d10$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

To see if I've got it right

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Nov 20 20:42:02 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] TV status
Message-ID: <200411210242.iAL2g2kJ004724@romaine.tssi.com>

I don't see anything conclusive on either the NU or the Hawaii
web sites regarding the television status of next Saturday's
game, but ESPN loves doing games in Hawaii and NU is one heckuva
story, so we can hope they'll make it the late game on ESPN2.
--
Mike Nolan


From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 20 20:39:50 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac CATS!!!! (fwd)
References: <1c0.20df7c71.2ed14644@aol.com>
Message-ID: <419FFFF6.9090309@earthlink.net>

If we beat Hawaii:

Will the Alamo Bowl take us above Purdue or Ohio State?  I doubt it.
Will the Sun Bowl take us above Purdue or Ohio State?  I also doubt it.
Will the Music City Bowl take us above Minnesota?  I think so.

So, if we beat Hawaii, I'm guessing we're going to Nashville.

Jim B.



From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sat Nov 20 22:56:25 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] WILDCAT WRAPUP: Northwestern 28, Illinois 21
Message-ID: <l03130301bdc59dbc52ac@[66.170.160.184]>

If Rick Taylor were still the NU athletic director, he might have tried to
bill season ticket holders for a seventh game this season. OK, maybe that's
a tad harsh, but the fans at Ryan Field have enjoyed a lot of extra
football this year ... a full four overtimes in three games, with the
Wildcats emerging victorious in each battle. The latest was Saturday's
28-21 OT win against Illinois, keeping the Sweet Sioux trophy in Evanston
and keeping Northwestern bowl hopes alive.

The win also gives the Cats a 5-3 league mark, good for sole possession of
fourth place in the Big Ten, a perfect conference home mark for 2004 ...
and it closes the season with the Wildcats on a five-game home win streak.
Three of those wins came in overtime, the other two by three points each.

Talk about getting your money's worth!

On an overcast November Saturday in Evanston, instate rivals Illinois and
Northwestern slugged it out for the 98th time in a mistake-filled game that
may not have always been pretty, but provided a lot of excitement in the
final minutes. Just as you'd expect on Senior Day at Northwestern.

On paper, the Cats had everything to play for and the Illini nothing. But
it's a rivalry game - so throw out those records. Plus, the Cats walked
into Champaign last year and literally walked over the Illini, not even
bothering to throw a pass in the second half en route to a 37-20 rout. On
top of that, Illinois coach Ron Turner is on his way out after three
straight disappointing seasons, and there are few things in football more
dangerous than a coach who has nothing to lose.

Northwestern's offense played perhaps its worst game of the season on
Saturday. Brett Basanez looked to have aggrivated that shoulder injury or
something else was wrong, because his throws were well off the mark. And
the Illini clearly had watched game tapes of last year and were keyed in on
the run. NU only ran 10 offensive plays in the first half and had a
whopping zero first downs after 15 minutes.

To make matters worse, we also played -- by far -- our sloppiest game of
the season. The Wildcats had made great strides in reducing the stupid
penalties from last year ... usually isolating them into one drive per
game, where we'd get 3 or 4 in a row to kill a promising series of plays,
but then play self-inflicted-wound-free the rest of the day. On Saturday,
NU compiled more penalty yards in the first quarter than actual yards ...
and had it not been for one big pass play in the second, the same would
have been true at the half.

A lot of those flags seemed suspicious to the disappointly small but loyal
and loud crowd at Ryan Field. Often, the two or three officials around the
play didn't see fit to call a penalty, but the back judge, a good 30 or 40
yards away, would run in late and toss a flag. Especially on punt returns.
Either this guy just had lasik surgery or he's got a different
interpretation of the rules than the rest of the zebras out there, because
when fans in the upper deck are closer to the play than you as an official
are, you shouldn't be the one making the call.

And the zebra follies didn't all cut against Northwestern either ... near
the end of the half, NU ran a 6-yard play on 2nd and 17, but the official
stepped in and signalled for the clock to stop ... for a measurement? Oops.
There were :25 left on the clock and Turner had to be livid that this time
wasn't running. Finally, when the refs noticed their error, they added time
... a second or two more than was on the clock when the play stopped. Some
of the crew were officiating their final game and they were not going
quietly into retirement, calling at least 16 penalties, with NU compiling a
whopping 112 yards of penalty yardage. Ouch. Let's just say it wasn't a
banner day for the players, coaches or officiating crew in Evanston.

Whatever the reason for NU's sloppy, mistake-prone play and inability to
move the ball, the Wildcat defense did show up on Saturday. Despite the
Illini enjoying starting field position around midfield for most of the
day, they bent, but didn't break to the orange and blue attack. Illinois
had one solid drive where they moved the ball downfield, but their other
two TD drives were set up by a Basanez interception and a series of
penalties on the punt return and defense. We were gashed more than you'd
like by Illini back Pierre Thomas, who really showed a lot of escapability
and potential ... but the D did their part to keep the game within a score
at all times. And that was important, because given our lack of a passing
game and inability to move on the ground, falling behind by 10 or 14 would
have been disastrous.

The Cats offense somehow managed to strike first in the game. After a
scoreless first quarter where the Illini dominated but were stripped of the
ball near the goal line by NU's defense, the Cats took over and Basanez
utilized his biggest asset - pocket mobility - to roll to the right and and
find Ashton Aikens for a 44-yard gain on 3rd and 8. That energized the
dormant attack for a few plays at least, and a few plays were all they
needed. A reverse netted 2 yards to move the ball to the UI 36, and Noah
Herron did the rest -- dashing through the Illini defense on two runs, the
second being a a 23-yard scamper to the end zone, giving NU the game's
opening touchdown.

The Illini quickly answered with their own impressive drive (aided by a
nice kickoff return to midfield), and added a touchdown following the
interception of Basanez (simply a bad read and too quick a throw off a play
fake) to head into the locker room ahead 14-7. Illinois dominated the first
half, doubling NU's time of possession and winning the field position war.
The yardage was almost even, but throw in the Cats' penalties and the edge
goes to UI again. Also, the Cats had as many first downs, five, as they did
3-and-outs. Would the offense wake up in the second half?

After exchanging punts in the second half, Northwestern put together its
one impressive drive of the game (each team had one impressive drive ...
one drive aided by a big play , the UI pickoff and the NU 44-yard pass, and
one wild card -- a fake FG for UI, a punt return for NU -- before
overtime). For a series, it looked like the Wildcat team that dominated the
Illini in the trenches last year had finally emerged. The Cats shoved the
ball right down the throats of the Illini. It started at the 22, but after
-- you guessed it -- a false start on NU, it became an 83-yard march
downfield. A Baz scramble for a few ... a Noah release pass for a first
down ... a Baz run ... a Terrell Jordan run ... a first down via Illinois
penalty ... Noah on the option ... Jordan up the gut ... Baz again ... Noah
gashing ahead for 14 ... Noah to the 1 ... Noah for SIX!

So after the penalty moved the ball to the 17, we attempted only one pass,
and that was a swing pass to Herron. The rest of this game-tying drive was
all on the offensive line. Northwestern pounded the ball right at the
Illini and moved it downfield for the tying score. Momentum had swung
Northwestern's way and both the fans in purple and those in ornage at Ryan
Field felt a sense of deja vu all over again. The Cats had come out of the
locker room trailing Illinois by a score, but were starting to manhandle
the Illini and run over them for TDs on the ground. Would this be the
wake-up call the O needed? Would this be the game-changing moment? Would
the Illini wilt again? Would history repeat itself?

Well, no. The Cats held on the following UI series, thanks to a great
chasedown sack by Loren Howard and had good field position. But the drive
was killed by -- you guessed it -- a flag for holding (stupid
self-inflicted-wounds!) and the Cats punted. If it's a punt return in this
game, then there must be a flag, and sure enough, our good friend the back
judge came running a good 20 or 30 yards to air his dirty laundry and set
up the Illini in strong field position. The D forced third down when -- you
guessed it -- a flag comes in and Dominique Price is called for
interference to keep the drive alive. The Illini capitalized and got down
to the 1 yard line at the end of the third quarter, tied 14-14, when things
got interesting.

You could feel a trick play coming from the opening kickoff. Turner was a
coach with nothing to lose and it's tough to know what a coach will do when
he can throw caution to the wind. But Turner played a fairly
straightforward game for three quarters. No fake punts or fourth down plays
on all those first half midfield possessions. Was he just lulling the Cats
to sleep?

After a brilliant goal line stand by the Wildcat defense (great stuff on
first down at the line ... great sack by Pickens on second down where UI
barely got the ball away without a knee touching or a grounding call and
another great stuff on third), the Illini lined up for the field goal to go
ahead 17-14. But in the immortal words of Admiral Ackbar: "It's a TRAP!"

Northwestern went for the block, and the Illini kicker simply hurdled the
diving defenders to walk into the end zone and give the Illini a 21-14 lead
with 13:25 remaining.

So now it was time for the Cats to wake up and for the O to take over,
right? Not quite. NU goes 3-and-out and asks the defense to keep them in
the game. They hold, and the Cats get the ball back at the 7 yard line with
7 minutes remaining. A couple of nice passes to Sean Herbert on Baz
rollouts moves the ball up to midfield, but the Cats stall at midfield.
After going for it on 4th and 2 (with Noah's sheer willpower the only
reason NU made the first down), Randy Walker opted to punt on 4th and 6
with just over 4 minutes remaining. We had three timeouts, but the pressure
was all on the Wildcat defense.

Again, the D stood up and held the Illini to a 3-and-out with 2:29
remaining in the game and forced the Illinois punt. Time was ticking away
and a trick play by the Illini on special teams was looking more and more
like it would spoil Northwestern's season. Would the Cardiac Cats and their
offense finally wake up NOW and get back in this game before it was too
late?

Nope ... but only because they never got a chance. A booming Illinois punt
sent Jeff Backes retreating to the 28 yard line. The Ohio speedster turned
around, shook off a couple Illini tackles and raced 72 yards to the end
zone to tie the game. Welcome back, Mr.Backes! After that dazzling return
at Minnesota, we've really missed this guy -- on defense for sure, but
especially on special teams. After the Illini surprised NU with a special
teams TD off a trick play, NU returned the favor with a trick of its own --
rare special teams execution and a game-changing touchdown.

But we weren't done with special teams. With 2:12 left, Wildcat fans had
barely got done celebrating when they had flashbacks to the 2001 MSU game
and Charles Rodgers answering an NU punt return TD with his own kickoff
return for a TD. Pierre Thomas nearly duplicated the feat, racing the
ensuing kickoff back to the NU 30. And with 2:00 left, the Illini were 30
yards away from beating their in-state rival.

The Wildcat defense came through again, though, bending a bit but forcing
the field goal attempt with Illinois' freshman kicker. Mr. Reda may not be
Mr. Nugent from OSU yet, but they do share a common trait in 2004 ...
missing a clutch field goal kick in Ryan Field. With the game on the line,
Reda hooked it wide left and guess what? We. Have. OVERTIME. For the fourth
time this season and the third time in Ryan Field, 60 minutes was not
enough time to determine a winner in a Northwestern football game.

Northwestern lost the toss and got the ball first. The offense didn't play
a good game today, but they did show up when it counted, promptly driving
to the end zone in overtime, picking up the blitz well and running the
ball. The game-winning touchdown came on a great call on 3rd and 2, faking
the run and rolling Baz out. He threw it to Jonathan Fields, who had
dropped two sure-catches earlier but snagged this one for six.

Once again, this game turned to the defense with NU players, coaches and
fans pleading with the D to salvage a win out of a sloppy game. The D
delivered, forcing the Illini to fourth down twice on their series from the
25. The first time, UI converted by barely crossing the 15. The second
time, there was a little contact but -- surprise! -- no flag thrown. Not
even from 30 yards downfield. The pass fell to the ground and the purple
people erupted in joy once again. The four Big Ten games in Ryan Field this
year literally came down to the last play, and the Cats emerged victorious
in all four. Bad for the ticker perhaps, but some exciting and
extraordinary football.

Whew. Three OT games at home ... four overall ... a couple more that came
down to the final minutes ... just another year of Wildcat football, folks.
We didn't play our best game today by a longshot, but when it came down to
crunchtime, this special group of Wildcats found enough to win the game.
And winning without your best stuff is a sign of a solid team. Hopefully
they can do it again next week so this incredible class of seniors can
finish their college careers in a bowl game. How great is this group? Well
...

Consider that this season, NU ...
- Finished 5-3, in sole possession of fourth place in the Big Ten
- Ensured a fifth .500 or better (in league play and overall) season in the
last decade
- Is one game away from a fifth bowl trip in ten years
- Went 5-1 at Ryan Field, 4-0 in Big Ten games
- Has a current home winning streak of five games
- Defeated (at the time) ranked teams in Ohio State and Purdue and lost to
only one (at the time) unranked team ... in triple overtime, on the road in
the opener

Consider that at one time or another, our quarterback, top running back,
top receiver, top D-lineman and starting linebacker and cornerback have
been injured this season, there were plenty of chances to pack it in.

Consider how this team fought back after two heartbreaking losses to start
the season and a 1-3 September with a tough Big Ten slate ahead of us. We
finished the season strong (winning 6 of the last 8 if we can win at
Hawaii) for a second straight season and have a chance to go bowling.

Thank you seniors. The fifth year seniors have a chance to go to three
bowls in their NU career -- something no other Cats class has done. Your
leadership has helped build this program. Hopefully you have two more games
in purple remaining. It was a pleasure to watch each of you play for the
past four or five years.

Thank you NUMB seniors ... cheerleading and Ladycat seniors ... and student
section seniors. Pro football, while a great sport, can't compare to the
excitement of college football and each of you are a huge reason why autumn
Saturdays in Evanston are so special.

Thank you seniors.

SjT GAME BALLS
==============
* NOAH HERRON: He didn't top 100, but he scored two big touchdowns and
passed some of the carries off to T.J. to build for the future. And on
those carries Jordan had, Herron demonstrated an impressive blocking
ability, busting holes on at least three nice runs. This guy's got it all
-- he showed breakaway speed last week at Michigan, he showed toughness on
the 4th and 2 call Saturday where Noah was hit at the line of scrimmage and
simply willed his way over the two needed yards of turf. He blocks, he
catches, he's licked any semblance of a fumble problem he had last year.
Noah Herron is the best running back in the Big Ten this year, period. And
while we've seen some good backs in Evanston during the last decade, from
the gifted Autry to the gritty Anderson to the hard-working Wright, I dunno
if we've seen as complete a back as Herron. This kid's special and
hopefully the pro scouts will look at all the things he brings to the table
and find a way to use him somewhere in the NFL next season.

* HOWARD, CASTILLO, CLARK, McGARIGLE, PICKENS, ROACH AND THE DEFENSE: The O
didn't show for most of the day and it was up to the D to keep us in the
game. They bent, but did not break -- always keeping the Cats within a play
of the lead. Castillo made some Herculean efforts to stuff the run,
McGarigle is a tackling machine much like his mentor, old #51 on the
sidelines, and Howard was just huge with those two sacks and other pressure
moments. If only we'd have had him for the whole season ... but it was a
solid defensive game, with a nice goal-line stand to boot, that kept our
bowl hopes alive and typified how far this unit has come this year. You
can't change your talent level overnight, but you can change your attitude
and the way you play as a team. These guys are primarily the same unit
gashed left and right the last few years. This year they've made tremendous
strides in making opponents one-dimensional and doing enough to get the
win. Kudos!

* JEFF BACKES: Wow. You wanna talk about a game breaker? After being
tripped up by the kicker at the NU 40 on his TD return, Backes was a mere
arm's length from the Illini defender. But from that point on, with the
defender in full run and Backes tripped up, the 40-yard-dash wasn't even
close. Backes breaks away from the defenders and scores. THAT's break-away
speed!

THINGS TO WORK ON
=================
* PENALTIES: I don't care if you had Big XII refs, you're playing Texas and
you're wearing a KU helmet ... 11 penalties for 112 yards is inexcusible.
Some of those may have been questionable, but a lot were stupid false
starts, sloppy holds and mental mistakes. We'd done so well on limiting
these all season ... hopefully this is a one-game blip on that mark.

* COME TO PLAY: The offense simply did not show up today. We never looked
energized. We never got in sync save one or two drives. And we never got a
rhythm going. We have to have a list of "starter" plays that are tried and
true yardage gainers to go to when we're stumbling to find some momentum.
And the line has to live up to its dominant potential on every series, not
just one drive.

* FOCUS: Memo to the NU team and coaches ... Hawaii is a beautiful place.
Thanksgiving is a family holiday. It's unfortunate that you have to miss
out a bit on both of those, but this isn't a game to take lightly. Focus on
coming ready to play, playing smart and playing together and after 60
minutes, you'll be back in the bowl scene. Get it done!

AROUND THE LEAGUE
=================
* After years of teams like Wisconsin and Northwestern watching "The Game"
and cheering for a Wolverine upset of the Buckeyes, it's fitting in this
bizarro world that the BUCKEYES play their game of the year and beat the
Wolverines ... only to watch MICHIGAN back door it into the Rose Bowl
anyway. A heck of a win under pressure and another road collapse for Carr
as his superfrosh finally showed their age. Now the OSU faithful have to be
thinking "we finally found a coach who beats Michigan consistently ... only
to have him get himself fired in a scandal? UGH!"

* The Big Ten has some of the nation's great coaches. John L. Smith has
worked near miracles his first two years in East Lansing. And Barry Alvarez
and Jim Tressel are as good as it gets. But no one has matched the job this
year of Kirk Ferentz at IOWA. These guys have been forced by injury to try
everyone but the waterboy at running back ... yet the haven't lost since
the end of September. Seven straight Big Ten wins later, including a
rousing thrashing of Wisconsin today, and the Hawkeyes have Ferentz' second
Big Ten title in three years. He's taken the Hawkeyes to three straight New
Year's bowls ... with a different offensive backfield each year. Amazing.

* As for WISCONSIN ... what a complete collapse to close the season. I'd
say it's unheard of, except that it almost mirrors Purdue's midyear
collapse following their loss to the Badgers. Here, Wisconsin rises to #4
and looks awesome in blitzing Minnesota in the home finale. Then they hit
the road and that cocky swagger and trash-talkin' defense fails to show up
for two straight weeks in East Lansing and Iowa City. And this happens when
everyone's back from injury and the freshmen have had nine games under
their belt? What happened?

* Perhaps PENN STATE can designate every home game Senior Day next year?
The Lions play about as well as anyone in the home finale and wind up
scoring almost more today than they did all year. In the process, MSU's
juggernaut comes unglued and the Motor City Bowl official weep bitterly.
With all of that defense back next year, if JoePa can get the O to be even
mediocre, the Lions could give the old coach a heck of a season to retire
on ... perhaps.

* PURDUE rolls to the bucket. Yawn. They beat the Buckeyes, but the OSU
name and that big win over Michigan may mean that the Boilers get passed up
in the bowl picture. Oh well, they can cry all the way to Evanston, where a
team that beat BOTH the Boilers and Buckeyes will likely get passed over in
the league bowl picks. Ugh.

So now it all comes down to the final game again this year. Win and we're
in the postseason for the second straight year. Lots of distractions await
on the islands, along with a powerful offense and veteran quarterback ...
no time for turkey, just get it done!

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!
-SjT

PS - Fun thought of the week ... if the NCAA had not added OT, NU's record
now could be 3-4-4.:)


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From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sat Nov 20 23:27:53 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowl scene ...
Message-ID: <l03130302bdc5d09144ac@[66.170.162.134]>

What a wild day for the Big Ten bowl scenarios! With the dust settled, this
much we know ...

- MICHIGAN is in ... the Rose Bowl, that is. But through the back door.

- MICHIGAN STATE is out. I suppose if we lose at Hawaii and MSU wins, the
league and Motor City Bowl could plead for a waiver to allow a 6-6 team to
fill out the seventh league slot, but they blew it in Happy Valley.

- NORTHWESTERN is hanging in there! One win to go! With MSU's loss, we're
guaranteed a bowl with a win next week. But with OSU and Purdue winning and
only a game back of us in the standings, it's likely both will leapfrog us.
But I'd prefer Nashville to El Paso anyway!:)

_ PURDUE and OHIO STATE improved their status. WISCONSIN is in a free fall.

We have six in and one more on the cusp. A quick look at the league
standings before looking at the bowls ...

1) Michigan      7-1
1) Iowa          7-1
3) Wisconsin     6-2
4) NORTHWESTERN  5-3
5) Ohio State    4-4
5) Purdue        4-4
5) Michigan St.  4-4
8) Minnesota     3-5

But bowls never go according to that order, it seems. So an educated guess ...

BCS BOWLS
---------
- ORANGE: USC vs. Auburn - Silly me to have faith in this messed-up system
to get the matchup right, but the Tigers clearly deserve a shot and SC is
the poll's #1, so the voters wise up and give us this matchup for the title.

- FIESTA: Oklahoma vs. Utah - The "other" unbeatens clash here and it's a
great matchup of coaching minds.

- SUGAR: Miami vs. Boston College - VaTech/Pitt might be the alternate and
that could have a lot of fans if the game were played in Heinz Field ...
but the Superdome gets stuck with the Big Least bid ... at least the TV
viewers might tune in to see Flutie highlights.

BIG TEN BOWLS
-------------
- ROSE: Michigan vs. Cal - This is pretty much set in stone, with the
Wolverines a lock and Cal all but assured unless the Irish shock SC next
week or something. Lots of gold and blue, lots of offense and the
Granddaddy should be an entertaining game once again.

- CITRUS: Iowa vs. Georgia - The Hawks earned this by thumping Wisky and
the RV's are revved up to visit Mickey. Dunno if UGa will be as happy to be
there, having higher hopes than returning to Orlando. With that outlook and
a coach like Ferentz opposing 'em, I'm already smelling upset.

- OUTBACK: Wisconsin vs. Tennessee - The Badgers still don't get to go to
Disney World, but instead we get lots of Cheeseheads, lots of Rocky Top
orange and a good old-fashioned smashmouth slobberknocker of a game. Can
the Badgers stop the bleeding? If both teams show up with their A games, it
could be a great one ... it could also get ugly if the inconsistent teams
show up.

- ALAMO: Ohio State vs. Oklahoma State - Yeah, the Buckeyes lost to BOTH
Northwestern AND Purdue, but they get this bid ahead of them by rep. It
pays to be a scandal school, I guess.:) Seriously though, the big win
against Michigan sealed it. San Antonio's had the Boilers and Cats, but now
they can get the Bucks down there to face another OSU in what could be a
scoring bonanza.

- SUN: Purdue vs. UCLA - Once again, NU is passed over for a team WE BEAT
as Kyle Orton's TD machine is more attractive for TV audiences, I guess.
Oregon State could sneak in here for the Pac 10 and make it another
shootout bowl game, but the Bruins' return to the bowl scene is a better
story and they get the bid because ASU moved up to San Diego when Cal got
the BCS spot.

- MUSIC CITY: Northwestern vs. Alabama - If we can win at Hawaii, it's
looking more and more like NU will wind up in Nashville, and it's probably
for the best. A repeat of Detroit wouldn't draw as well, El Paso is in the
middle of the desert and we probably can't reasonably hope for San Antonio.
Nashville is a relatively short drive away for a lot of alumni, it's a fun
town to spend New Year's Eve in (even if you're not a country fan:) ) and
should get a big purple crowd to come see a "new" bowl site. As for our
foe, it's a tossup. Florida's win at FSU probably knocked them out. South
Carolina could sneak in for Lou's last game and all that jazz, but they may
have no players left after the suspensions from that embarassing brawl ...
the most likely SEC foe is Bama, making their grand return to the
postseason after exiting the SEC's "Probation Rotation" plan. It'd be a
heck of a D to go up against and a tough assignment - with lots of crimson
in the stands. It's also be another bowl against a huge historical power --
SC, UT, UNL and now Bama? Could be a good game, though. But we gotta win
first.

- MOTOR CITY: Minnesota vs. Toledo. The Gophers deservedly claim the last
spot, finishing two games behind the Cats and finishing on a big downer.
Again, since Mason called that trick play to run up the score on fourth
down in Minny's September win over us, the Gophers are 2-5 and we're 5-2.
Karma? It'd be a rematch if UM faces Toledo, but the Rockets are nearby and
will bring fans, plus with Minny's late slide, it could be a good revenge
chance for UT.

If we slip up at Hawaii, Minny moves up to Nashville and the Motor City
folks hope MSU beats Hawaii the following week and tries to pull every
possible string to get Sparty that last bid and an exemption. But hopefully
the Cats come to play next week and seal up a trip to Nashville.

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!
-SjT


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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 20 23:33:00 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] flashback
Message-ID: <41A0288C.1090508@earthlink.net>

When Jeff Backes returned that punt for a touchdown today, I couldn't 
help but flash on a similar big punt return for a TD in a final home 
game of a season -- Brian Musso vs. Iowa in 1995.  Both will forever 
provide great memories! -- Jim B.



From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sun Nov 21 00:24:01 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Chaos Theory (was: Big Ten bowl scene)
In-Reply-To: <l03130302bdc5d09144ac@[66.170.162.134]>
Message-ID: <l03130303bdc5e2e29288@[66.170.162.134]>

>- ROSE: Michigan vs. Cal - This is pretty much set in stone, with the
>Wolverines a lock and Cal all but assured unless the Irish shock SC next
>week or something. Lots of gold and blue, lots of offense and the
>Granddaddy should be an entertaining game once again.

One intriguing postscript here. We know that the top six BCS schools won or
didn't play today. HOWEVER ...

#7 (Michigan) and #8 (a highly overrated Florida State) lost.

#9 was Boise State and #10 was Louisville going in to this week.

... so if, say, Texas loses to Texas A&M (not out of the question) the day
after Thanksgiving ...

BCS chaos could rule and Boise State or Louisville could jump into the top
six along with Utah! TWO "mid-major" BCS busters? Don't laugh!:)

And who would lose with that? Cal. With the two automatic bids gone, all of
a sudden, Pasadena is left without their Golden Bears.

Throw in upsets from the ACC, Big Least and title games and a ND or UCLA
upset of $C and you could get the BCS Chaos Theory ...

ORANGE: Utah vs. Boise State
ROSE: Michigan vs. USC
SUGAR: Tennessee vs. Virginia
FIESTA: Iowa State vs. Pitt

On another note ...

Did the ESPN+ truck in Evanston get lost on the way back to the Mother Ship?

Sports Center ... GameDay Final ... all have highlights of the Big Ten
games in Columbus, Iowa City, State College and even West Lafayette. No
NU-Illinois highlights. What gives? I'd hope ESPN shows the Hawaii game
next week on one of their networks, but first they need to know we exist!:)

Nice win today, though. Can't believe the home season's done already, but
it sure was a wild ride.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 21 06:22:10 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/21
Message-ID: <001801c4cfc4$bb5bc5f0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
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** Sunday Early Winner's Edition **

Early wrapup of the Football win and the Basketball loss as Soccer heads west to
the next round of the NCAA's. Also Recruiting, Swimming, 
Volleyball, and some commentary too.

                                             All the News that Fits We Link
                                             Your Daily Index to News about
                                        Northwestern University Athletics, and
more


SOCCER

     Northwestern's Season of Firsts Continues at Creighton
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/112004aab.html 
     + NCAA Tournament Second Round Notes in PDF Format
 
http://www.fansonly.com/photos/schools/nw/sports/m-soccer/auto_pdf/NCAAnotes2ndr
ound.pdf 

FOOTBALL

     That's 3 wins out of 4 - 4 OTs is an NCAA Record!
     Wildcats Upend Illini -- In Another Overtime
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/112004aab.html 
     + Cardiac Cats Redux IV - NU over Illinois 28-21
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/321230.html 
     + More Post Game Interviews
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/321285.html 
     + Northwestern 28, Illinois 21, OT
 
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/gamecenter/recap/NCAAF_20041120_IL@NW 
     + No way out? Cats find one, of course
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041120nuillinigamer,1,
7175958.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Backes goes the distance
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041120nubits,1,7679319
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Overtime win for NU, over and out for Illinois
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu21.html 
     + NU works OT magic
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intid=3831298 
     + Backes does what he's told 
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38312122 

     We're #4!
     Official Big 10 Standings:
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/big10-m-footbl-body.html 

Commentary:

     Tormey: Three and Out
      http://sports.wnur.org/analysts/ft111904.html 
     Bobak: The Malcontent 
     http://sports.wnur.org/analysts/gb111904.html 


>From the Fighting Illini

     Illini Edged By Northwestern In OT
 
http://fightingillini.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/112004aaa.html 
     + Signs point to Turner exit
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041120illinifoot,1,486
600.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Turner likely toast
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38312120 
     + Illinois lets one slip away - Fall to Northwestern in overtime
 
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2004/11/21/sports/college_sports/52ad683a520e516086
256f5300048e64.txt 
     + Illini finish season with prolonged suffering
 
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/illini/story/6C8503299B69CBE
C86256F5300249045?OpenDocument&Headline=Illini+finish+season+with+prolonged+suff
ering 

Big 10

     An Iowa Win and a Michigan Loss Leads to Co-Big Ten Champions
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112004aaf.html 
     + Michigan Gains The Rose Bowl, 30-7
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=321258 
     + Wisconsin squandered its chance
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/20/bc.fbc.wisconsin.iowa.
ap/index.html 

     Purdue's Stubblefield breaks NCAA receiving record 
      http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/wire?messageId=26640269 


Hawaii is all that's left...

     Warriors Beat Up on Vandals
      http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/recap.html?rid=13604&p=3 

Men's BASKETBALL

     Wildcats Fall to New Mexico State, 64-61
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112104aaa.html 
     Northwestern 61 vs. New Mexico State Univ. 64
 
http://www.towc.org/Boxes/2004%20Boxes/Gm8%20Northwestern%20vs%20New%20Mexico.ht
m 
     Tourney Bracket
      http://www.towc.org/bracket.htm 

Looking Ahead:

     Utah State
     Central Florida 55 vs. Utah State 52
 
http://www.towc.org/Boxes/2004%20Boxes/Gm7%20Central%20Florida%20vs%20Utah%20Sta
te.htm 

     at Colorado 11/28

     Virginia 12/1

     Chicago State 12/4

     DePaul 12/15
     Demons shake off 1st-half slumber, win opener
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041120demons,1,1781064
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Blue Demons start slow, finish fast
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-demon21.html 

     Seton Hall  12/19


Women's BASKETBALL



RECRUITING

     Illinois OL/DL - Grant Nemeth
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=321168 

     Ramon Diaz: Team continues to advance
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/cs-041120prepfbrup,1,1
528339.story?coll=cs-highschool-headlines 


SWIMMING & DIVING

     Northwestern Pulling Away at TYR Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-swim/recaps/112004aaa.html 
     Matt Grevers Shatters Six Pool Records at NU TYR Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/112004aaa.html 

VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats Fall to Michigan, 3-0
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/112004aab.html 

MISCELLANY

     Delany: NCAA has difficult job ahead at OSU
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/20/bc.fbc.ohiost.delany.a
p/index.html 
     + Kindred: Ohio State part of the big lie 
      http://www.foxsports.com/story/3165498 

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From neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com  Sun Nov 21 09:29:23 2004
From: neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com (Kaplan, Neil)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawaill TV
Message-ID: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB06716BCA@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>

According to my directv guide, next week's game will be on FSW2 which
carries most Hawaii home games at 8 pm pst; channel 653

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 21 10:33:51 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Nashville
Message-ID: <41A0C36F.9040400@earthlink.net>

We've been speculating on this list on where we'll go if we beat Hawaii. 
 Today's Tribune and Daily Herald say it looks like it will be 
Nashville.  The Sun-Times, however, is even more definitive.  Their 
article indicates that "NU now knows it will play in the Music City Bowl 
in Nashville . . ." if we in next week.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu21.html

Jim B.



From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 21 10:41:32 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Nashville (fwd)
Message-ID: <200411211641.iALGfWtD023872@romaine.tssi.com>

> We've been speculating on this list on where we'll go if we beat Hawaii. 
>  Today's Tribune and Daily Herald say it looks like it will be 
> Nashville.  The Sun-Times, however, is even more definitive.  Their 
> article indicates that "NU now knows it will play in the Music City Bowl 
> in Nashville . . ." if we in next week.

I have a client in Crossville, about 100 miles east of Nashville, I might 
have to find an excuse to visit them around them.  :-)
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sun Nov 21 10:51:54 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (sjtruog@jorsm.com)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Nashville
In-Reply-To: <41A0C36F.9040400@earthlink.net>
References: <41A0C36F.9040400@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <52392.66.170.160.103.1101055914.squirrel@webmail.jorsm.com>

> We've been speculating on this list on where we'll go if we beat Hawaii.
>  Today's Tribune and Daily Herald say it looks like it will be
> Nashville.  The Sun-Times, however, is even more definitive.  Their
> article indicates that "NU now knows it will play in the Music City Bowl
> in Nashville . . ." if we in next week.
>
Well, they're a little late:) but good to have them on board as well. Now
if ESPN could only find some highlights or mention us in the same breath
as Big Ten bowl teams.

We've been suspecting Music City Bowl on the list for a couple weeks now
anyway. And I do think Nashville's a better spot for us than ElPaso and
that we'd bring a lot of fans to the Music City.

Now we just gotta win at Hawaii.

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!
-SjT


From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov 21 12:08:00 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawaill TV
In-Reply-To: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB06716BCA@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>
References: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB06716BCA@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>
Message-ID: <47C7A68B-3BE8-11D9-AF75-000A95960BF2@mac.com>

I have Comcast cable in Chicago, and according to the Comcast listings 
(on my Comcast DVR box), the game will be on "Fox Sports Digital 
Pacific," which is on channels 264 and 415.  It's only part of the 
digital premier package.  I have digital, but not the premier package.  
I'll be looking into it this week.  It looks like it's only a $5/month 
option if you already have digital cable.  If you'd like more 
information about what I find out, let me know off list.

I'm surprised that the fact that the game will be televised hasn't been 
posted on the NU website, even if it's only on Fox Sports.

John




On Nov 21, 2004, at 9:29 AM, Kaplan, Neil wrote:

> According to my directv guide, next week's game will be on FSW2 which
> carries most Hawaii home games at 8 pm pst; channel 653
> _______________________________________________
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From mailman at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 21 13:06:54 2004
From: mailman at romaine.tssi.com (mailman@romaine.tssi.com)
Date: Sun Nov 21 13:13:18 2004
Subject: What happened to the archives
Message-ID: <200411211906.iALJ6svQ026155@romaine.tssi.com>

For those wondering where the archives went, they're still on the old
system.  I'm working on figuring out how to load them to the new one,
that may take a few weeks.
--
Mike Nolan, List Manager

From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sun Nov 21 17:27:35 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 21 18:53:32 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 13
Message-ID: <l03130300bdc6d294b691@[66.170.162.134]>

It's a holiday shortened week and there are games Thursday afternoon, so be
sure to get these picks in by noon on THURSDAY before you have some turkey.
Lots of travel plans to home, and for a lucky few purple people, Hawaii:)
(make some NOISE for the rest of us!), so wanted to get these out tonight.

** IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE or get an error message, you may send the picks to
sjtruog@yahoo.com as an alternate address. But be sure to try the jorsm.com
account first.

Two Big Ten teams have trips to the Islands left, but otherwise the league
slate is finished. There's still a host of rivalry games with the Big XII
(one that still means a lot and one that used to), the annual Irish/Trojan
"who the heck do you cheer for" canundrum and a couple of ACC/SEC Challenge
games.

All picks for week 13 are due by noon on THURSDAY, November 25, 2004.

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 13
#######################
Name:

National
--------
GAME  1: Colorado @ Nebraska             WINNER:
GAME  2: Texas A&M @ Texas               WINNER:
GAME  3: West Virginia @ Pittsburgh      WINNER:
GAME  4: Syracuse @ Boston College       WINNER:
GAME  5: Louisiana State @ Arkansas *    WINNER:
GAME  6: Georgia Tech @ Georgia          WINNER:
GAME  7: Virginia @ Virginia Tech        WINNER:
GAME  8: Notre Dame @ Southern Cal       WINNER:
GAME  9: Missouri @ Iowa State           WINNER:
GAME 10: Oklahoma State @ Texas Tech     WINNER:

* - Game @ Little Rock, AK

Remember - picks in by THURSDAY at noon.
Have a blessed Thanksgiving!

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!
-SjT


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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sun Nov 21 22:10:34 2004
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sun Nov 21 22:11:13 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawaill TV
References: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB06716BCA@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>
Message-ID: <41A166BA.4EC4D188@mindspring.com>

"Kaplan, Neil" wrote:
> 
> According to my directv guide, next week's game will be on FSW2 which
> carries most Hawaii home games at 8 pm pst; channel 653
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Directv subscribers can see this game by adding the "Sports" package for
$12 for one month.  It would cost less then ESPN Gameplan for one day.

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 21 23:58:56 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Mon Nov 22 00:02:48 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU-Illinois game to be replayed Tuesday on DirecTV
Message-ID: <41A18020.5080709@earthlink.net>

For those who have DirecTV and subscribe to their Sports Pack, our game 
against the Illini will be shown in its entirety this Tuesday (Nov. 
23rd) at 5pm EST / 4pm Chicago time / 2pm PST on Channel 656, which is 
Comcast Sportsnet West. -- Jim B.


From TyJLevine at aol.com  Mon Nov 22 00:56:22 2004
From: TyJLevine at aol.com (TyJLevine@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 22 01:00:15 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawaill TV
Message-ID: <1c5.20543b14.2ed2e796@aol.com>

I just got off the phone with DirecTV and they said they will get their 
schedule of games on Tuesday.

Hope this helps.

Given that it isn't a full schedule and the Chicago market is in play, my 
hunch tells me the game will be on the Gameplan package.


Ty
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 22 08:36:58 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 22 08:40:11 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/22
Message-ID: <000901c4d0a0$ba3a1550$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
for Purple Reign
& the NU Sports List

** Weekend Wrapup Edition **

Still more on the Football win and disappointment for Men's Basketball in
Alaska. Women's Basketball heads for the Mountain [eers]. The Swimming & Diving
team was victorious so was the 9-0 Fencing team,

Soccer is heading west for the next round of the NCAAs, and there's some
Miscellany too...

                                                                  All the News
that Fits We Link
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Index to News about
                                                             Northwestern
University Athletics, and more


SOCCER

     Making history: Cats advance to 2nd round
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/22/41a1886855102 

FOOTBALL

     Overtime, one more time
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/22/41a1873b1a0c0 
     + So much yellow makes Cats blue
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/22/41a188f1ddc87 
     + College Football News
      http://www.collegefootballnews.com/Big_Ten/Northwestern.htm 
     + beat the Illini 28 to 21, keeping the Sweet Sioux!
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats4k21a.html 

     Sports Xchange: Wildcats report: Inside slant
      http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/report/NW/7915320 
     + Notes, quotes
      http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/report/NW/7915321 
     + Strategy and personnel
      http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/report/NW/7915322 

     GoUPurple Trivia: look back at the Chicago College All-Star Game...
      http://hailtopurple.com/features/triv4k21.html 

Commentary:

     SjT Goes Bowling Again
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/321467.html 
     Morley: Bouncing back story of game, past 4 years
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/22/41a187d31a7f7 

Big 10

     Big Ten roundup: Iowa clips Wisconsin, Wolverines clip roses
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/22/41a1865045fe4 
     An Iowa Win and a Michigan Loss Leads to Co-Big Ten Champions
      http://bigten.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112004aaf.html 
     Turner's fate looks to be decided today
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intid=3831348 


Hawaii "Rainbow" Warriors
are all that's left...

     This was one scary game if you're a Cat fan...
     Warriors Beat Up on Vandals
      http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/recap.html?rid=13604&p=3 
     + Warriors get well
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/21/sports/index1.html 
     + Warrior Report
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/21/sports/index2.html 
     + Offense runs through Rivers
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/21/sports/index3.html 
     + Loss ends long season for the Vandals
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/21/sports/index4.html 

Men's BASKETBALL

     Disappointment at the Top of the World...
     Wildcats Drop Wild One to Utah State, 64-57
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112104aae.html 
     + Vedran Shakes off the Rust at the Top of the World
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/321707.html 
     + Another Loss - Utah State 64 - NU 57
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/321523.html 
     + NU falls to Utah State in Alaska
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041121nugamer,1,772768
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Northwestern tumbles in third-place game of Alaska tournament
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cage22.html 
     + Utah St. defeats Northwestern in Alaska
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=3831310 
     + Utah State Defeats Northwestern 64-57 In Men's Basketball To Claim
Third-Place At The 2004 BP Top Of The World Classic
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/ust/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112104aaa.html 

     Box score
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041121nubox,1,4353039.
htmlstory?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     From the TOWC Site: Tournament Leaders
      http://www.towc.org/Tournament%20Leaders.htm 

     POD: the Cats aren't Hungry?
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/321462.html 

     Vedran Vukusic Top Cat at the Top of the World
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=321701&nid=1224630&fhn=1 
     Bill Carmody Carmody Ejected Sticking up for his Players
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=321700&nid=1391840&fhn=1 

Looking Ahead:

     at Colorado 11/28
     MEN'S HOOPS READY TO START 2004-05 SEASON
 
http://www.cubuffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3889&SPID=257&DB_OEM_ID=600&ATCLID
=79024 

     Virginia 12/1
     Virginia Upsets No. 10 Arizona, 78-60
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112104aaa.html 

     Chicago State 12/4
     Men's Basketball Loses 2004-05 Season Opener at UCLA
      http://www.csu.edu/Athletics/Mbasketballhome.htm 

     DePaul 12/15
     Demons shake off 1st-half slumber, win opener
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/depaul/cs-0411210378nov21
,1,5311830.story?coll=cs-college-depaul-print 

     Seton Hall  12/19
     Men's Basketball Drops Season Opener to Richmond, 77-71
      http://www.shupirates.com/sports/mbball/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=2333 

Women's BASKETBALL

     Another Test at West Virginia at 7 PM Today.

     WVU Takes on Northwestern
      http://www.msnsportsnet.com/page.cfm?cat=netnews&story=7103 

     WVU Previous Games:
     Meg-nificent
      http://www.msnsportsnet.com/page.cfm?story=7099&cat=exclusives 
     + WVU Wins Opener
      http://www.msnsportsnet.com/page.cfm?story=7100&cat=exclusives 

RECRUITING

     Tyler Compton Texas OL Visits Georgia Tech
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=321624&nid=1486334&fhn=1 
     Bruce Hampton Pledges To Big Ten School
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=321642&nid=1164499&fhn=1 
     Kurt Mattes One Visit Down, Another Scheduled
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=321688&nid=1177933&fhn=1 

     Tyrell the Magnificent
     Tyrell Sutton: One More Statistical Look at His HS Career
      http://www.hoban.org/page.php?catid=501 

     In case you missed this one...
     Ramon Diaz: Singing the song of the unsung
 
http://www.morrisdailyherald.com/main.asp?SectionID=16&SubSectionID=72&ArticleID
=12234&TM=33321.79 

FENCING

     Wildcats Dominate Duals, Go 9-0
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-fenc/recaps/112104aaa.html 

SWIMMING & DIVING

     Both the Men & Women win
     Matt Grevers Shatters Six Pool Records at NU TYR Invitational
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/112004aaa.html 

     Women:

     TYR Invitational Day 3
      http://www.collegeswimming.com/index.php?show=view_news&id=402 
     + Full Meet Results
      http://www.collegeswimming.com/show_meet.php?id=178 
     + Day 1 & 2
      http://www.collegeswimming.com/index.php?show=view_news&id=394 

WRESTLING

     Dustin Fox Places Second at MSU Open
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/112104aac.html 

MISCELLANY

     Love those $15 and hour part time jobs...
     Ohio State players reaped benefits of well-playing jobs
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=3831355 

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov 22 09:42:46 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov 22 09:42:48 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawaill TV (fwd)
Message-ID: <200411221542.iAMFgklO006778@romaine.tssi.com>

> Given that it isn't a full schedule and the Chicago market is in play, my 
> hunch tells me the game will be on the Gameplan package.

That'd be great news.

I missed the last 5 minutes or so of the Hawaii game because Gamplan
shut down at 1AM.  The cable company says it was ESPN's fault.  (It's
never THEIR fault!)

Hopefully whoever did it won't make the same mistake this Saturday.

Hawaii is in the same position the Cats were in, they need to win their
last 2 games to be bowl-eligible.  Chang is putting up HUGE numbers, too.
--
Mike Nolan

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 22 09:44:20 2004
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon Nov 22 09:45:30 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Where shall we bowl?
In-Reply-To: <000901c4d0a0$ba3a1550$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <20041122154420.74845.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

Wouldn't you know it - I book a trip to Boston for New Year's the week before
the Cats upset Purdue and now it looks like they may be coming to my city
(Nashville). 

So with Sparty dropping the ball, it would seem that we will lock in a bowl bid
if we beat Hawaii on Saturday. Should we win, MSU's game against Hawaii will
not matter as it would at best make them 6-6 and the Big Ten won't need a 6-6
team to fulfill its bowl obligations. 

So, Will it be Nashville, El Paso, or San Antonio? We know that Michigan gets
Pasadena, and it'll likely be Wisconsin to the Citrus and Iowa to the Outback. 

I really like the idea of the Cats coming to Nashville, but given that we beat
both Purdue and Ohio State head-to-head AND have a better record in the Big
Ten, could the Alamo Bowl really justify passing us over?

Victory & Honor,
-Jim


		
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov 22 09:47:38 2004
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 22 09:51:37 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Where shall we bowl?
Message-ID: <154.44bcc401.2ed3641a@aol.com>

Today's Orlando Sentinel has us going to  Detroit.
From e-west at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 22 09:59:54 2004
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Mon Nov 22 10:00:14 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Chaos Theory (was: Big Ten bowl scene)
In-Reply-To: <l03130303bdc5e2e29288@[66.170.162.134]>
References: <l03130302bdc5d09144ac@[66.170.162.134]>
	<l03130303bdc5e2e29288@[66.170.162.134]>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20041122095039.027a6e10@merle.it.northwestern.edu>

At 12:24 AM 11/21/2004, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

>BCS chaos could rule and Boise State or Louisville could jump into the top
>six along with Utah! TWO "mid-major" BCS busters? Don't laugh!:)
>
>And who would lose with that? Cal. With the two automatic bids gone, all of
>a sudden, Pasadena is left without their Golden Bears.
>
>Throw in upsets from the ACC, Big Least and title games and a ND or UCLA
>upset of $C and you could get the BCS Chaos Theory ...
>
>ORANGE: Utah vs. Boise State
>ROSE: Michigan vs. USC
>SUGAR: Tennessee vs. Virginia
>FIESTA: Iowa State vs. Pitt

You're right about Boise State and Louisville inching toward the BCS Top 6; 
I'm surprised nobody mentioned this possibility on ESPN's college football 
wrap-up shows. (Then again, as far as I could tell they didn't even mention 
the NU-Illinois result, so there you go.) However, in your Chaos scenario: 
if the Top 3 all lose and Cal doesn't, there's a good chance they would be 
one of the BCS Top 2 teams, so they would be in the Orange. Maybe you were 
including a Cal loss to Southern Miss, though. That would be funny.

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu 


From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 22 11:57:17 2004
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov 22 11:58:34 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Where shall we bowl?
In-Reply-To: <20041122154420.74845.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041122154420.74845.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411221123130.472@localhost>

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Jim Leonard wrote:
> I really like the idea of the Cats coming to Nashville, but given that we beat
> both Purdue and Ohio State head-to-head AND have a better record in the Big
> Ten, could the Alamo Bowl really justify passing us over?

WARNING: rant!

<rant>

I see thoughts like this expressed every year at bowl selection time.
There's one thing we as Wildcats fans should understand by now: there is
no concept of "fairness" in the bowl selection process.  Every matchup is
made with the best business interests of the bowl as the foremost
criteria.

Here are some things going against us as far as "best business interests
of the bowl":

	-- small fanbase
	  -- examples: no NU themed sports bar in entire Chicago area
	  -- none of the major papers here think we're a local team
	  -- only 1 sports-radio outlet cares about us, and while
	     it's the best AM station in the country, it probably
	     only cares about us because their sports director is
	     himself an NU grad and apparently a huge fan of NU sports
	  -- smaller alumni base
	-- questionable sports marketing department
	  -- this, despite having a top-2 B-school.  I'm guessing
	     NU Athletics simply can't afford Kellogg grads.
	  -- did you see the posters from last year?  A current student
	     remarked: "I could've done better than that in an hour in
	     my room with Photoshop."
	  -- why weren't there more students there on senior day

All of these things add up to expectations of low ticket sales, low
viewership, and thus low returns on investment.

Hopefully winning a bowl game will turn some of that around, generating
interest during the offseason in seeing a "bowl winner" come next
September.  If marketing doesn't harp on the fact that of a six game home
schedule, fans were treated to five wins and one loss, a home sweep of the
Big Ten schedule, and more 4th-quarter excitement than should legally be
allowed, then there's a problem there that Mr. Murphy might want to
correct.

I would hope that someone could convince one of the newspapers in town (or
even the Sun-Times, which I won't dignify with the title "newspaper") to
start providing coverage of the Wildcats that was cognizant of the fact
that we are, in fact, Chicago's only Division I-A football team, instead
of their usual coverage that frequently is of less prominence than our
coverage in the other team's hometown paper.

</rant>

Oh well.  I am super-excited about this upcoming game, and hope that we
can get past it with a win and go on to play in the Poulon/Weedeater Bowl
and come out of that with a win as well.

Go Cats,

Jonathan

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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 22 12:22:58 2004
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 22 12:27:42 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Where shall we bowl?
In-Reply-To: <20041122154420.74845.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041122154420.74845.qmail@web53802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41A22E82.3020202@hilgraeve.com>

The Hawaii game may not matter to MSU, but it will certainly matter to 
Hawaii if they beat us.  They have to win out to be bowl eligible 
themselves.

So Hawaii will certainly be motivated next Saturday.  Hopefully our guys 
will be too.

As far as the Alamo Bowl passing us over, the last time we were there we 
didn't do all that great against Nebraska.  We need to win some of these 
bowl games as well as send a lot of fans.

Jeff

Jim Leonard wrote:

>Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
>
>Wouldn't you know it - I book a trip to Boston for New Year's the week before
>the Cats upset Purdue and now it looks like they may be coming to my city
>(Nashville). 
>
>So with Sparty dropping the ball, it would seem that we will lock in a bowl bid
>if we beat Hawaii on Saturday. Should we win, MSU's game against Hawaii will
>not matter as it would at best make them 6-6 and the Big Ten won't need a 6-6
>team to fulfill its bowl obligations. 
>
>So, Will it be Nashville, El Paso, or San Antonio? We know that Michigan gets
>Pasadena, and it'll likely be Wisconsin to the Citrus and Iowa to the Outback. 
>
>I really like the idea of the Cats coming to Nashville, but given that we beat
>both Purdue and Ohio State head-to-head AND have a better record in the Big
>Ten, could the Alamo Bowl really justify passing us over?
>
>Victory & Honor,
>-Jim
>
>
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 22 12:27:32 2004
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 22 12:32:14 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Chaos Theory
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20041122095039.027a6e10@merle.it.northwestern.edu>
References: <l03130302bdc5d09144ac@[66.170.162.134]>	<l03130303bdc5e2e29288@[66.170.162.134]>
	<6.0.0.22.2.20041122095039.027a6e10@merle.it.northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <41A22F94.3050600@hilgraeve.com>

My wife mentioned that if the Rose Bowl does turn out to be Cal and 
Mich, it will probably be the most combined intelligence on the field 
for a post season contest in quite a while since they both are generally 
regarded as the top public institutions in the country.

Anyone else dredge up some historical bowl meetings between similarly 
high ranked academic institutions?

Jeff

Eric West wrote:

> At 12:24 AM 11/21/2004, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
>
>> BCS chaos could rule and Boise State or Louisville could jump into 
>> the top
>> six along with Utah! TWO "mid-major" BCS busters? Don't laugh!:)
>>
>> And who would lose with that? Cal. With the two automatic bids gone, 
>> all of
>> a sudden, Pasadena is left without their Golden Bears.
>>
>> Throw in upsets from the ACC, Big Least and title games and a ND or UCLA
>> upset of $C and you could get the BCS Chaos Theory ...
>>
>> ORANGE: Utah vs. Boise State
>> ROSE: Michigan vs. USC
>> SUGAR: Tennessee vs. Virginia
>> FIESTA: Iowa State vs. Pitt
>
>
> You're right about Boise State and Louisville inching toward the BCS 
> Top 6; I'm surprised nobody mentioned this possibility on ESPN's 
> college football wrap-up shows. (Then again, as far as I could tell 
> they didn't even mention the NU-Illinois result, so there you go.) 
> However, in your Chaos scenario: if the Top 3 all lose and Cal 
> doesn't, there's a good chance they would be one of the BCS Top 2 
> teams, so they would be in the Orange. Maybe you were including a Cal 
> loss to Southern Miss, though. That would be funny.
>
> Eric West
> e-west@northwestern.edu
>
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From johnl at mac.com  Mon Nov 22 13:19:02 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Mon Nov 22 13:19:12 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Chaos Theory
In-Reply-To: <41A22F94.3050600@hilgraeve.com>
References: <l03130302bdc5d09144ac@[66.170.162.134]>
	<l03130303bdc5e2e29288@[66.170.162.134]>
	<6.0.0.22.2.20041122095039.027a6e10@merle.it.northwestern.edu>
	<41A22F94.3050600@hilgraeve.com>
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If you're talking only public universities, then I think UM v. Cal. would take the cake.  There's not a higher academic matchup in division 1 (based on US News rankings).

But taking into consideration all universities, I'd say our last two Rose Bowls, vs. USC and vs. Cal were pretty good.  Interestingly, if you average the current US News rankings for the schools, our matchup with USC beats the Mich-Cal matchup by 1 point.

The highest possible matchup in Division 1 would be Duke v. Stanford.  The second highest, though, would be NU vs. Stanford, a possible Rose Bowl scenario.


On Monday, November 22, 2004, at 01:38PM, Jeff Beamsley <jeffb@hilgraeve.com> wrote:

>My wife mentioned that if the Rose Bowl does turn out to be Cal and 
>Mich, it will probably be the most combined intelligence on the field 
>for a post season contest in quite a while since they both are generally 
>regarded as the top public institutions in the country.
>
>Anyone else dredge up some historical bowl meetings between similarly 
>high ranked academic institutions?
>
>Jeff
>
>Eric West wrote:
>
>> At 12:24 AM 11/21/2004, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
>>
>>> BCS chaos could rule and Boise State or Louisville could jump into 
>>> the top
>>> six along with Utah! TWO "mid-major" BCS busters? Don't laugh!:)
>>>
>>> And who would lose with that? Cal. With the two automatic bids gone, 
>>> all of
>>> a sudden, Pasadena is left without their Golden Bears.
>>>
>>> Throw in upsets from the ACC, Big Least and title games and a ND or UCLA
>>> upset of $C and you could get the BCS Chaos Theory ...
>>>
>>> ORANGE: Utah vs. Boise State
>>> ROSE: Michigan vs. USC
>>> SUGAR: Tennessee vs. Virginia
>>> FIESTA: Iowa State vs. Pitt
>>
>>
>> You're right about Boise State and Louisville inching toward the BCS 
>> Top 6; I'm surprised nobody mentioned this possibility on ESPN's 
>> college football wrap-up shows. (Then again, as far as I could tell 
>> they didn't even mention the NU-Illinois result, so there you go.) 
>> However, in your Chaos scenario: if the Top 3 all lose and Cal 
>> doesn't, there's a good chance they would be one of the BCS Top 2 
>> teams, so they would be in the Orange. Maybe you were including a Cal 
>> loss to Southern Miss, though. That would be funny.
>>
>> Eric West
>> e-west@northwestern.edu
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 22 14:39:31 2004
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 22 14:44:13 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Chaos Theory
In-Reply-To: <8768875.1101151142249.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>
References: <l03130302bdc5d09144ac@[66.170.162.134]>	<l03130303bdc5e2e29288@[66.170.162.134]>	<6.0.0.22.2.20041122095039.027a6e10@merle.it.northwestern.edu>	<41A22F94.3050600@hilgraeve.com>
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I guess I just forget that USC has as high an academic rating as they do. 

An NU-Stanford rose bowl would be one for the ages.

Jeff


John Labbe wrote:

>If you're talking only public universities, then I think UM v. Cal. would take the cake.  There's not a higher academic matchup in division 1 (based on US News rankings).
>
>But taking into consideration all universities, I'd say our last two Rose Bowls, vs. USC and vs. Cal were pretty good.  Interestingly, if you average the current US News rankings for the schools, our matchup with USC beats the Mich-Cal matchup by 1 point.
>
>The highest possible matchup in Division 1 would be Duke v. Stanford.  The second highest, though, would be NU vs. Stanford, a possible Rose Bowl scenario.
>
>
>On Monday, November 22, 2004, at 01:38PM, Jeff Beamsley <jeffb@hilgraeve.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>My wife mentioned that if the Rose Bowl does turn out to be Cal and 
>>Mich, it will probably be the most combined intelligence on the field 
>>for a post season contest in quite a while since they both are generally 
>>regarded as the top public institutions in the country.
>>
>>Anyone else dredge up some historical bowl meetings between similarly 
>>high ranked academic institutions?
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>Eric West wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>At 12:24 AM 11/21/2004, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>BCS chaos could rule and Boise State or Louisville could jump into 
>>>>the top
>>>>six along with Utah! TWO "mid-major" BCS busters? Don't laugh!:)
>>>>
>>>>And who would lose with that? Cal. With the two automatic bids gone, 
>>>>all of
>>>>a sudden, Pasadena is left without their Golden Bears.
>>>>
>>>>Throw in upsets from the ACC, Big Least and title games and a ND or UCLA
>>>>upset of $C and you could get the BCS Chaos Theory ...
>>>>
>>>>ORANGE: Utah vs. Boise State
>>>>ROSE: Michigan vs. USC
>>>>SUGAR: Tennessee vs. Virginia
>>>>FIESTA: Iowa State vs. Pitt
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>You're right about Boise State and Louisville inching toward the BCS 
>>>Top 6; I'm surprised nobody mentioned this possibility on ESPN's 
>>>college football wrap-up shows. (Then again, as far as I could tell 
>>>they didn't even mention the NU-Illinois result, so there you go.) 
>>>However, in your Chaos scenario: if the Top 3 all lose and Cal 
>>>doesn't, there's a good chance they would be one of the BCS Top 2 
>>>teams, so they would be in the Orange. Maybe you were including a Cal 
>>>loss to Southern Miss, though. That would be funny.
>>>
>>>Eric West
>>>e-west@northwestern.edu
>>>
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov 22 15:52:38 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 22 15:53:55 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Chaos Theory
Message-ID: <9f.529e196c.2ed3b9a6@aol.com>

Based on what I saw at the Rose Bowl, and the fact that my cousin, who is  
certainly no rocket scientist, went to $C, I can't believe they are rated as  
high as they are academically.  I think they are all brain-dead from  listening 
to their stupid marching band (which I sat next to in Pasadena), which  is 
louder than The Who in their prime.
 
Paul LEvinson
From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Mon Nov 22 17:35:39 2004
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Mon Nov 22 17:36:35 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Where shall we bowl?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411221123130.472@localhost>
Message-ID: <200411222336.iAMNaYZE026816@gw.tssi.com>

I acknowledge each of your points as they exist in both the reality of NU's
sports existence and the minds of the guys in the hideous colored blazers
that make bowl selections. Nevertheless, the facts behind our actual bowl
performance don't bear any of this out.  The attendance at our bowl games
over the last decade has been remarkably high, given all the circumstances.
The Rose Bowl, admittedly an unusual and once in a lifetime return to a bowl
event, was predominately purple.  There were good crowds at both the Citrus
the next year and the Alamo a few years ago and last year's Motor City set
an attendance record/

What Mark Murphy has to do for the future is to begin educating the bowls on
the facts regarding our national following.  You can't judge bowl potential
for NU on the stands at Ryan Field.  We have a national alumni base that
turns out for bowls and the selection committees have to be educated to that
fact.

Murphy also has a big selling job ahead of him with Chicago media which
continues to treat NU as if it were located in some distant universe.  I
don't pretend to know why the coverage in the local media is so poor.  I
suspect it is a combination of a number of different factors ranging from
Chicago being predominately a pro sports town to there being insufficient
readership/viewership demand.  NU's admittedly weak efforts at promotion
don't help matters any.  I'm sure Murphy knows he has his work cut out for
him.  I just hope he plans on giving it the attention it deserves.

In the meantime, let's hope for a win on Saturday so that we can all enjoy
New Year's in Music City.

Mark
Mark S. Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com
 

	-- small fanbase
	  -- examples: no NU themed sports bar in entire Chicago area
	  -- none of the major papers here think we're a local team
	  -- only 1 sports-radio outlet cares about us, and while
	     it's the best AM station in the country, it probably
	     only cares about us because their sports director is
	     himself an NU grad and apparently a huge fan of NU sports
	  -- smaller alumni base
	-- questionable sports marketing department
	  -- this, despite having a top-2 B-school.  I'm guessing
	     NU Athletics simply can't afford Kellogg grads.
	  -- did you see the posters from last year?  A current student
	     remarked: "I could've done better than that in an hour in
	     my room with Photoshop."
	  -- why weren't there more students there on senior day


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 22 18:37:52 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 22 18:53:36 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU-Hawaii on Gameplan
Message-ID: <000701c4d0f4$ac8d3730$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

The NU vs Hawaii game will be on ESPN Gameplan, virtually any cable company
should have it available, plus if you have a high speed internet connection, you
can watch it using Media Player on EI6

It will cost, however, gameplan is 19.95 per week.

I'll be watching and of course we'll have the Chat room open too.

Go Cats - rack the rainbows

rsl

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 22 18:52:32 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 22 18:55:20 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Where shall we bowl?
In-Reply-To: <200411222336.iAMNaYZE026816@gw.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c4d0f6$b7524190$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

On the media...

NU does get covered very well by the local newspapers - they all have a beat
writer assigned and they do file as many stories about the Wildcats as any other
Div I team located in an NFL/NBA/MLB Town.

What is missing is the wall-to-wall TV coverage Div I Teams in non-pro sports
town get. The Sooners get phenomenal coverage every day because they don't have
a pro team to provide distractions. Nebraska is the same because there's nothing
else.

In Chicago, the 10 minutes of sports has to cover two major league baseball
teams, a pro football team and a pro basketball team. Do the math, there isn't
much time left for NU, especially when you figure that both Illinois and N****
D*** also have very large alumni bases in Chicago.

When SMU had the pony-express running, you could barely find coverage outside of
Sunday after a game in the Dallas and Fort Worth media. They had the Cowboys
playing at the same time, and the Ponies just couldn't break thru.

If NU was out in Peoria or in Davenport, we'd get more press. Really!

Besides, NU has Purple Reign!

Go Cats

rsl



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> 
> Murphy also has a big selling job ahead of him with Chicago 
> media which continues to treat NU as if it were located in 
> some distant universe.  I don't pretend to know why the 
> coverage in the local media is so poor.  I suspect it is a 
> combination of a number of different factors ranging from 
> Chicago being predominately a pro sports town to there being 
> insufficient readership/viewership demand.  NU's admittedly 
> weak efforts at promotion don't help matters any.  I'm sure 
> Murphy knows he has his work cut out for him.  I just hope he 
> plans on giving it the attention it deserves.
> 


From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov 22 21:00:27 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 22 21:01:52 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Where shall we bowl?
Message-ID: <c8.528d262a.2ed401cb@aol.com>

>From what I remember of Chicagoland's attitude towards NU, I think we were 
always regarded as somewhat elitist and not really a "hometown" team--especially 
when stacked against the Irish and the Illini.  Hence, the scant TV coverage. 
 And I also agree with Roy that the pro sports dominate.  Here in New York, 
which has a similar relationship with Columbia athletics (although,of course, 
"Ivy League sports" is somewhat of an oxymoron), the same situation obtains.    
Mark Muirphy seems like a very talented individual, and I have every 
confidence in his abilities to keep NU sports on an upward path.  But he would have to 
be a miracle worker to have Chicago "adopt" the Wildcats as a key component 
of the sports scene.  They will always take a back seat to the Cubbies, Bears, 
White Sox, Bulls, Black Hawks, and Irish.  That doesn't leave many seconds 
left on a local TV newscast.   

Paul Levinson

P.S.:  Happy Thanksgiving everyone. 
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 22 21:36:12 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Mon Nov 22 21:40:06 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Academic matchups in past bowls
References: <9f.529e196c.2ed3b9a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41A2B02C.8010602@earthlink.net>

Check out some of these teams who played in past Rose Bowls:

1916 Brown (okay, they played Washington State)
1917 Penn (okay, they played Oregon)
1920 Harvard (okay, they also played Oregon)
1925 Stanford vs. Notre Dame
1929 Cal vs. Georgia Tech

There were also Michigan vs. Stanford matchups in both 1902 and 1972. 
 But, if I had to think very, very hard about my all-time academic 
matchup in the Rose Bowl, I'll have to take 1949 Northwestern vs. Cal. 
 Anyone surprised?

And, Paul Levinson has it right -- forget all this academic 
self-righteousness coming out of $C.  I wouldn't be surprised if those 
so-called brain surgeons are paying off U.S. News & World Report and the 
Princeton Review to get those ratings, just as they probably bought off 
officials during the John McKay years.

Jim B.

NEONRye@aol.com wrote:

>Based on what I saw at the Rose Bowl, and the fact that my cousin, who is  
>certainly no rocket scientist, went to $C, I can't believe they are rated as  
>high as they are academically.  I think they are all brain-dead from  listening 
>to their stupid marching band (which I sat next to in Pasadena), which  is 
>louder than The Who in their prime.
> 
>Paul Levinson
>  
>



From JHCCLARK at aol.com  Mon Nov 22 21:47:51 2004
From: JHCCLARK at aol.com (JHCCLARK@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 22 21:51:51 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 Waivers
Message-ID: <44D88C9B.44A8FD20.006D6456@aol.com>

Iowa State has petitioned the NCAA to have a waiver of the 6-6 rule in order participate in the post-season.

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041122/SPORTS020602/411220349/1066

They would be 6-6 if they play in the Big XII Championship Game and lose to Oklahoma.

Their rationale is that their kids should not be penalized for playing in the Big XII Championship Game.  

IMHO, that's a stupid argument.  (1) Choose not to play in the Championship Game if a bowl game is that important; (2) they knew the championship game was out there before the season -- if it was an issue, get your conference to drop the game altogether -- your conference made a choice, now live with it; (3) the argument could be made that Northwestern should go (if we <gasp> lose to Hawaii) at 6-6 because NU players should not be penalized for the Athletic Department's scheduling of an extra game; (4) the rule makes no provision for a waiver; (5) you are taking away opportunities for post-season play from teams which actually have a winning record; (6) if you can't get a winning record you don't deserve to inflict yourselves on the football-watching community in December; and (7) if the post-season is that important, win the $#%!@ game.

Confession:  I was one of the silent minority who didn't think the 'Cats deserved to go bowling if they were 6-6.  I think rewards are for those who do better than "C" work (yes, even with the schedule we played).

Side-bar:  Clemson and South Carolina have opted not to take post-season invites due to the brawl at their game.  Looks like the MAC is gonna take up to five spots.  Even Akron (yes, Akron) is slated by FoxSports to play in December.  And they have us in San Antonio, btw.

From TyJLevine at aol.com  Mon Nov 22 21:58:32 2004
From: TyJLevine at aol.com (TyJLevine@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 22 22:00:11 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Academic matchups in past bowls
Message-ID: <1f5.29e89ab.2ed40f68@aol.com>

I am in no way a U$C supporter but the school realized it had a PR problem a 
few years ago and significantly tightened its admissions requirements.  In 
1983 when I was applying to colleges SC published that its median GPA for 
freshmen was 2.9.  Two years ago my neighbors here in the Bay Area had their son 
turned down with a 3.5 from a prestigious Boy's prep school.

SC figured that if they lowered their admit rate both the school's reputation 
and ranking would go up.  I think their party boy, blonde bimbo, daddy's 
money can buy me anything reputation will remain for at least a few more 
generations.

I will give them one bit of credit.  Their old boy network of alums helping 
alums isn't too far off Harvard, etc., and light years beyond where NU is at 
the moment.
From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 22 22:36:52 2004
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov 22 22:37:57 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Where shall we bowl?
In-Reply-To: <c8.528d262a.2ed401cb@aol.com>
References: <c8.528d262a.2ed401cb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411222224060.2148@localhost>

> and Irish.
> That doesn't leave many seconds left on a local TV newscast.

Agreed.  I like the inclusion of the Offensive Racist Stereotypes in your
list of professional sporting teams in Chicagoland/rural Indiana.

Roy was mentioning that we get stories filed just like in a market like
Dallas, but how does that even come close to the coverage BOTH UCLA and
USC get in a city like LA?  Moreover, if you've ever seen the placement of
the supposedly plentiful stories in the print version of the Trib and
Sub-Standard, frequently there will be a giant photo with a nine-inch
story about Michigan or Notre Dumb, and NU will be a 200 word sidebar with
a tiny photo if they take one at all.  All the other 100 word stories will
be buried on page 732G.

The newspapers could do better, so could the talk radio, and so could TV.
If they haven't noticed, the Wildcats have a winning record.  That's a
heckuva lot more than the Bears, Bulls, and Blackhawks have had in the
last eon.  Unless you like inept football, inept basketball, and utterly
hopeless "hockey" mixed together for a large glass of craptacular. ;-)

Heck, the only regular mentions we get are from a cowardly traitor of an
alum, and his partner at the Sub-Par, Jay Moronotti.  And they're trying
to get NU officially crucified by whatever passes for a Roman these days.

Oh well, they'll be suprised when New Year's rolls around and the 'Cats
are 8-5, 4th in the B10, and our clock tower is an absurd shade of fuchsia
for an entire offseasson.

Jonathan

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From jdluken at fuse.net  Mon Nov 22 22:37:32 2004
From: jdluken at fuse.net (John Luken)
Date: Mon Nov 22 22:40:15 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Chaos Theory
Message-ID: <20041123043742.FXS19704.gx4.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net>

As for the institutions generally, the 2000 Stanford-Wisconsin Rose Bowl isn't bad.

As for "combined intelligence on the field," I submit that Michigan-Cal ain't all that much.  Each is among the universities with the biggest gaps between the academic achievements of the student body generally and their football players.  Each year, the Stanford Bootleg website runs an analysis of the NCAA's graduation rate data with the primary goal of making fun of how poor the graduation rates are among the athletes, and in particular the football team, at academically mighty Cal. Here is the 2003 version:

http://stanford.scout.com/2/164173.html

Note that a Michigan-Cal Rose Bowl would match the #2 and #4 ranked Division 1A schools in terms of the difference in grad rates between football players and all students.

John Luken

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From: Jeff Beamsley <jeffb@hilgraeve.com>
Date: 2004/11/22 Mon PM 01:27:32 ESTTo: Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>
CC: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Chaos Theory

My wife mentioned that if the Rose Bowl does turn out to be Cal and 
Mich, it will probably be the most combined intelligence on the field 
for a post season contest in quite a while since they both are generally 
regarded as the top public institutions in the country.

Anyone else dredge up some historical bowl meetings between similarly 
high ranked academic institutions?

Jeff

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov 22 22:44:29 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov 22 22:44:31 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 Waivers (fwd)
Message-ID: <200411230444.iAN4iT5l015089@romaine.tssi.com>

> Their rationale is that their kids should not be penalized for playing in the Big XII Championship Game.  

> IMHO, that's a stupid argument.  

I totally disagree.  Conference championship games shouldn't be used to
determine bowl eligiblity except for the already existing waiver, which
makes a team bowl-eligible by winning its conference championship
regardless of its record to that point.

(It'd be funnier than anything if ISU pulled off the upset in KC, talk 
about upsetting the applecart!)

The NCAA rules are a bit muddled as to whether a conference championship
game is a 'regular season' game or not.  In some sports, notably basketball
and baseball, it is not considered a regular season game.  (This has come
up a few times when schools were sanctioned for rules violations.)

I think football deserves the same consideration.  The only games that 
should count for bowl eligibility are the ones that are definitely on 
the schedule at the start of the season.  

The difference here is that Northwestern players and coaches all KNEW they 
had 12 games scheduled and needed to go 7-5 before the season started, 
Iowa State did not.

The unusually balanced (aka weak) state of the Big XII North this year
is to blame.  Several of the polls predicted Iowa State to finish last
in the division.  

The Big 10 will be in this situation sooner or later, and some of the
division alignments I've seen could have produced the same problem in
years when the 'west' schools were all having bad years.
--
Mike Nolan

From lvaccher at comcast.net  Mon Nov 22 22:53:30 2004
From: lvaccher at comcast.net (Louie Vaccher)
Date: Mon Nov 22 23:08:39 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue to Sun Bowl
Message-ID: <001e01c4d118$60ff9780$09ff0f18@Louie>

The Sun Bowl has selected Purdue to travel to El Paso for the third time in four years, deciding not to wait and see if the Cats win on Saturday.

http://www.boilerstation.com/football/stories/200411220purdue_football1101181211.shtml

Here's an excerpt.

The Sun Bowl committee did consider Northwestern, even though it would have had to wait until Saturday to see if the Wildcats can become bowl eligible by winning at Hawaii 
"It was a hard decision initially because of the consideration given to Northwestern having beaten Purdue," Folmer said. "Historically we've always taken the team that has done that. 

"However, in this case, having Kyle Orton back, who still holds the passing records for our game, and the fact that he's playing well, we voted to select Purdue. 

"Purdue is like family here and Joe Tiller has done such an outstanding job. And the people of El Paso will be proud to have them back. The committee is excited to have them back." 

Well, we're excited that we don't have to go to El Paso. Purdue is like family? Give me a break. And they can have Orton. He put up some numbers but the guy proved this year that he can't win a big game.
From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 23 01:08:03 2004
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Tue Nov 23 01:09:14 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] whining about media
Message-ID: <20041123070803.54976.qmail@web51305.mail.yahoo.com>

If we're ever going to shake the "elitist" reputation
that NU has, and maybe attract more local interest and
fans, we need to stop making comments such as not
wanting to call the Sun-Times a newspaper.

That's an insult to the hundreds of thousands of
Chicagoans who read the S-T every day, and an insult
to the many dedicated journalists there who bust their
butt under difficult circumstances and make a
difference (Hired Truck scandal, say) in the real
world. 

And some fine writers with national reputations call
the S-T home; Ebert most obviously. I dislike
Moronetti (except when he's bashing the Cubs) and find
Telander a talented but hopelessly preachy writer, but
animus towards those two shouldn't color the whole
newspaper.

The S-T isn't the New York Times and never will be;
it's a urban tabloid aimed at a working-middle-class
audience. Yes, there's gossip and some trashy stuff
and fluff. That's part of the package.

Those who were too snobby to buy the S-T Sunday after
Saturday's glorious win missed a nice color photo of
Backes' return as we had the main-play spot on the
back cover. Inside, two full pages with more photos.
Pretty damn good coverage for a game that drew just
23,000 fans. 







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From JHCCLARK at aol.com  Tue Nov 23 07:29:29 2004
From: JHCCLARK at aol.com (JHCCLARK@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 23 07:33:26 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 Waivers (fwd)
Message-ID: <140.38221e61.2ed49539@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/22/2004 11:59:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
nolan@romaine.tssi.com writes:

I  totally disagree.  Conference championship games shouldn't be used  to
determine bowl eligiblity except for the already existing waiver,  which
makes a team bowl-eligible by winning its conference  championship
regardless of its record to that point.

The NCAA  rules are a bit muddled as to whether a conference championship
game is a  'regular season' game or not.  In some sports, notably basketball
and  baseball, it is not considered a regular season game.  (This has  come
up a few times when schools were sanctioned for rules  violations.)
 
 
The NCAA rules recognize these championship games as regular-season games.  
See Bylaw 18.02.4: "A postseason football game is a football contest conducted  
after the regular football season and involving two teams selected because of 
 their REGULAR-SEASON performance (e.g. won-lost record, CONFERENCE  
CHAMPIONSHIP)." [emphasis added]  If they were not considered  regular-season, then 
Iowa State wouldn't NEED a waiver.
 

Further, these games have always been considered before when  making 
post-season determinations.  Otherwise, conference champs would not  automatically get 
a BCS spot.  And let's remember when #2 Kansas State lost  to Texas A&M in 
the Big XII championship game -- it lost it's spot in the  National Championship 
Game AND it's BCS bowl bid, and wound up in San  Antonio losing to Purdue.
 
And your point makes my point.  These games ARE  considered when teams are 
selected for post-season play in basketball.   Teams that lose in the first 
round of their conference tourney are often left on  the outside looking in when 
the NCAA bids come out.  Conversely, teams that  had very little shot at making 
the NCAAs sometimes do due to their conference  tourney showing.  The 19-10 
Georgia Tech team that lost in the first round  of the ACC tourney comes to 
mind -- they sat at home in March, even refusing an  NIT bid because they thought 
they were dissed.
 
 
They are real games and should carry all the good and bad of real  games.  
You can't just take the benefits without also risking the  consequences.



I think  football deserves the same consideration.  The only games that 
should  count for bowl eligibility are the ones that are definitely on 
the  schedule at the start of the season.  

The difference here is that  Northwestern players and coaches all KNEW they 
had 12 games scheduled and  needed to go 7-5 before the season started, 
Iowa State did  not.
They knew that the conference championship game was out there.  The  
conference championship game WAS on the schedule for two teams in the Big  XII.  If 
you and your conference choose to play these games, then live with  the 
consequences.  Don't try to change the rules when you feel like it or  when it suits 
your needs.  
 
And, let's face it, the Iowa State players had MORE of a say in whether  they 
played in a 12th game than Northwestern players did.  It is something  that 
they wanted and earned, whereas Hawaii was always gonna be there, whether  NU 
was 11-0 or 0-11.  The Wildcat players has zero to say in the  matter.
 
And again, if a bowl game is that important, then decline the invite to the  
Dr. Pepper Classic without forfeiting.  Then Colorado or Nebraska can  go.  
Northwestern cannot just simply decline to play -- otherwise they  forfeit and 
automatically go to 6-6.
 
Sorry, I just don't see how the Cyclones should get in and Northern  Illinois 
(again) shouldn't.




From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 23 07:38:18 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 23 07:40:53 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] whining about media
In-Reply-To: <20041123070803.54976.qmail@web51305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c4d161$b16ba030$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I agree Brad, 

As I wander the web looking for NU stories, and even finding most of them, I
reasonably am satisfied with the coverage provided by our "local" papers. 

Lets face it, they have a 4 [NFL/NBA/MLB] major league pro teams [LA has the MLB
and NBA] and their coverage will be driven by those teams.

NU also doesn't have the number of "local" boys playing. In Football it's a
little better, but in Basketball, Jitim was the only Chicago kid in how many
years? I'm not suggesting NU lower any standards to get local kids, but if some
kid goes to Illinois and scores a TD, he's going to get the coverage. The
presence of Brandon Lee, IMHO, will do a lot to get Chicago coverage for NU, but
we also have to start winning, and overcoming the Illinois BKB machine is going
to be tough.

Anyway, the Sun-Times covers NU about as well as the Trib [even with the Trib's
rumored "pipeline"]. They went out of their way to slam our Cats, and Telander's
continued ranting about how we've lost our innocence [if we ever had it] drives
me nuts. We'll leave the Jaybird out of all this - he's moved on to bigger
things anyway.

In any case, local kids' parents want to see their kid's name in the paper, and
the local newspapers want to provide that coverage for  whatever they charge
these days. Its why you always see stories about our local players in the Trib,
and not the kids from, say, Texas or New Jersey.

And you have to remember that for all those years, the Big 10 only sent #1 to
the Rose Bowl. Everyone else stayed home. 

It was an era when N**** D***, went to a bowl every year and garnered those 6-8
weeks of media coverage in a town that has more ND alums than ever went to the
school. To many people in Chicago, NU is that little elite, Methodist college up
on the north shore, somewhere past Loyola. Yeah, they have that big medical
school downtown, but all that does is mess up the parking off Michigan Avenue.

Chicago, as a major business hub, also has a lot of other Big 10 Alums, from
schools with much better records than NU in football. I know the largest alumni
club of my fraternity's Wisconsin chapter is in Chicago. I'm sure other's can
say the same.

Our largest 3 NU alumni clubs are in Washington, DC, New York and Los Angeles.
Those guys might follow the Wildcats, but they don't by the Trib or the
Sun-times.

The past few years has seen an expansion of NU coverage in the other papers
around Chicago - The Herald regularly sends a reporter to practices and
conferences. Tim Cronin at the Southtown tries to get to both NU and Illinois
events. Larry Watts fought a great fight to get NU coverage back in the Evanston
paper [you almost with they were a daily]. NU now gets some coverage down in
Peoria, and over in Gary.

As the Cats start to win regularly on the roundball court, and continue our
improvement in Football, and we start to appear in the post season more, we can
expect to get more media coverage. 

Until then, we're fighting the "who cares" syndrome, and while we do, most
people don't

Go Cats - Waste the Warriors!

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Brad Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:08 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] whining about media
> 
> 
> If we're ever going to shake the "elitist" reputation
> that NU has, and maybe attract more local interest and
> fans, we need to stop making comments such as not
> wanting to call the Sun-Times a newspaper.
> 
> That's an insult to the hundreds of thousands of
> Chicagoans who read the S-T every day, and an insult
> to the many dedicated journalists there who bust their
> butt under difficult circumstances and make a
> difference (Hired Truck scandal, say) in the real
> world. 
> 
> And some fine writers with national reputations call
> the S-T home; Ebert most obviously. I dislike
> Moronetti (except when he's bashing the Cubs) and find
> Telander a talented but hopelessly preachy writer, but
> animus towards those two shouldn't color the whole
> newspaper.
> 
> The S-T isn't the New York Times and never will be;
> it's a urban tabloid aimed at a working-middle-class
> audience. Yes, there's gossip and some trashy stuff
> and fluff. That's part of the package.
> 
> Those who were too snobby to buy the S-T Sunday after 
> Saturday's glorious win missed a nice color photo of Backes' 
> return as we had the main-play spot on the back cover. 
> Inside, two full pages with more photos. Pretty damn good 
> coverage for a game that drew just 23,000 fans. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 23 07:42:32 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 23 07:45:06 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue to Sun Bowl
In-Reply-To: <001e01c4d118$60ff9780$09ff0f18@Louie>
Message-ID: <001001c4d162$48c50c50$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Aw, those West Texicans are almost New Mexicans - wadda they know.

Actually, I think Murphy knew we were not going to El Paso all the time, which
is why he wasn't excited about our chances there.

Right now, NU has to win on Saturday [early Sunday for us mainlanders].

Everything else is just idle speculation and food for the "hot stove league"
discussions.

Go Cats - Rack the Rainbows

rsl

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and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Louie Vaccher
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:54 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue to Sun Bowl
> 
> 
> The Sun Bowl has selected Purdue to travel to El Paso for the 
> third time in four years, deciding not to wait and see if the 
> Cats win on Saturday.
> 
> http://www.boilerstation.com/football/stories/200411220purdue_
football1101181211.shtml

Here's an excerpt.

The Sun Bowl committee did consider Northwestern, even though it would have had
to wait until Saturday to see if the Wildcats can become bowl eligible by
winning at Hawaii 
"It was a hard decision initially because of the consideration given to
Northwestern having beaten Purdue," Folmer said. "Historically we've always
taken the team that has done that. 

"However, in this case, having Kyle Orton back, who still holds the passing
records for our game, and the fact that he's playing well, we voted to select
Purdue. 

"Purdue is like family here and Joe Tiller has done such an outstanding job. And
the people of El Paso will be proud to have them back. The committee is excited
to have them back." 

Well, we're excited that we don't have to go to El Paso. Purdue is like family?
Give me a break. And they can have Orton. He put up some numbers but the guy
proved this year that he can't win a big game.
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From cyrilku at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 23 08:11:38 2004
From: cyrilku at yahoo.com (Cyril S. Ku)
Date: Tue Nov 23 08:12:52 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: [Northwestern Sports] A Northwestern tradition
	that's not well known
In-Reply-To: <96.1a54f3d2.2eccb16e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041123141139.62777.qmail@web53305.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Lee,

Did you post a message for ordering information or did
I missed it? I would like to order one.

Thanks,
Cyril Ku

--- NUMBalum78@aol.com wrote:
> 
> For anyone who's interested in the CD, I'll post a
> separate message with 
> ordering instructions.  (The CD is also sold outside
> the stadium, and at local 
> Evanston retailers such as Let's Tailgate and
> Norris.)  NUMBALUMS donations have p
> aid for the production of the CD, so all CD revenues
> will be used to support 
> the (woefully underfunded) NU band program.  
> 
> GO 'CATS! 
> 
> Lee Stevens 
> President 
> NUMBALUMS Organization



		
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From cyrilku at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 23 08:15:38 2004
From: cyrilku at yahoo.com (Cyril S. Ku)
Date: Tue Nov 23 08:16:50 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: [Northwestern Sports] A Northwestern tradition
	that's not well known
Message-ID: <20041123141538.25967.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>

I should have used my grammar checker!

Hi Lee,
> 
> Did you post a message for ordering information or
> did
> I miss it? I would like to order one.
------------
> Thanks,
> Cyril Ku

--- "Cyril S. Ku" <cyrilku@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Lee,
> 
> Did you post a message for ordering information or
> did
> I missed it? I would like to order one.
-------------- 
> Thanks,
> Cyril Ku
> 
> --- NUMBalum78@aol.com wrote:
> > 
> > For anyone who's interested in the CD, I'll post a
> > separate message with 
> > ordering instructions.  (The CD is also sold
> outside
> > the stadium, and at local 
> > Evanston retailers such as Let's Tailgate and
> > Norris.)  NUMBALUMS donations have p
> > aid for the production of the CD, so all CD
> revenues
> > will be used to support 
> > the (woefully underfunded) NU band program.  
> > 
> > GO 'CATS! 
> > 
> > Lee Stevens 
> > President 
> > NUMBALUMS Organization
> 
> 
> 
> 		
> __________________________________ 
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> Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! 
> http://my.yahoo.com 
>  
> 
> 



		
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Nov 23 08:54:32 2004
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Nov 23 08:59:17 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
In-Reply-To: <001001c4d162$48c50c50$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <001001c4d162$48c50c50$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <41A34F28.8020605@hilgraeve.com>

Roy,

Thanks for bringing this bowl discussion back into perspective.

All of this bowl talk assumes that Hawaii is going to give us the win 
for just showing up.

I would like to hear a little more about his team and what the match-ups 
look like, and a little less about all the fun we're going to have when 
we win.

 From what little I've read Hawaii has the ability to just shred 
defensive secondaries.  Combine that with the fact that NU did not have 
a good game last week, the significant changes in climate and time zone, 
and NU's tendency to play to the level of the competition.  This hardly 
looks like a gimme.  And even if it was a gimme on paper, how many gimme 
wins did NU get this year?

Hopefully the football team is a little more focused than the fans and 
media, otherwise perhaps we are going to be the ones petitioning for 
bowl consideration with a 6-6 record.

Jeff


Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

>Aw, those West Texicans are almost New Mexicans - wadda they know.
>
>Actually, I think Murphy knew we were not going to El Paso all the time, which
>is why he wasn't excited about our chances there.
>
>Right now, NU has to win on Saturday [early Sunday for us mainlanders].
>
>Everything else is just idle speculation and food for the "hot stove league"
>discussions.
>
>Go Cats - Rack the Rainbows
>
>rsl
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>Computer Applications & Support Associates
>and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
>The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
>(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
>AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
>
>=========================================
>No Society has ever Taxed or Litigated
>itself to prosperity...Think about it.
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
>>[mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Louie Vaccher
>>Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:54 PM
>>To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
>>Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue to Sun Bowl
>>
>>
>>The Sun Bowl has selected Purdue to travel to El Paso for the 
>>third time in four years, deciding not to wait and see if the 
>>Cats win on Saturday.
>>
>>http://www.boilerstation.com/football/stories/200411220purdue_
>>    
>>
>football1101181211.shtml
>
>Here's an excerpt.
>
>The Sun Bowl committee did consider Northwestern, even though it would have had
>to wait until Saturday to see if the Wildcats can become bowl eligible by
>winning at Hawaii 
>"It was a hard decision initially because of the consideration given to
>Northwestern having beaten Purdue," Folmer said. "Historically we've always
>taken the team that has done that. 
>
>"However, in this case, having Kyle Orton back, who still holds the passing
>records for our game, and the fact that he's playing well, we voted to select
>Purdue. 
>
>"Purdue is like family here and Joe Tiller has done such an outstanding job. And
>the people of El Paso will be proud to have them back. The committee is excited
>to have them back." 
>
>Well, we're excited that we don't have to go to El Paso. Purdue is like family?
>Give me a break. And they can have Orton. He put up some numbers but the guy
>proved this year that he can't win a big game.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 23 08:59:57 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 23 09:02:29 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: [Northwestern Sports] A Northwestern
	traditionthat's not well known
In-Reply-To: <20041123141538.25967.qmail@web53303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401c4d16d$197f9a90$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I'm waiting also

FWIW - I'd like to do a story next month on NUMB and some of the football
traditions.

For Purple Reign, etc.

Thanks

rsl

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The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
AIM Handle: CoachRoy74

=========================================
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Cyril S. Ku
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:16 AM
> To: cyril@alumni.northwestern.edu; NUMBalum78@aol.com; 
> nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Re: [Northwestern Sports] A Northwestern 
> traditionthat's not well known
> 
> 
> I should have used my grammar checker!
> 
> Hi Lee,
> > 
> > Did you post a message for ordering information or
> > did
> > I miss it? I would like to order one.
> ------------
> > Thanks,
> > Cyril Ku
> 
> --- "Cyril S. Ku" <cyrilku@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Lee,
> > 
> > Did you post a message for ordering information or
> > did
> > I missed it? I would like to order one.
> -------------- 
> > Thanks,
> > Cyril Ku
> > 
> > --- NUMBalum78@aol.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > For anyone who's interested in the CD, I'll post a
> > > separate message with
> > > ordering instructions.  (The CD is also sold
> > outside
> > > the stadium, and at local
> > > Evanston retailers such as Let's Tailgate and
> > > Norris.)  NUMBALUMS donations have p
> > > aid for the production of the CD, so all CD
> > revenues
> > > will be used to support
> > > the (woefully underfunded) NU band program.  
> > > 
> > > GO 'CATS!
> > > 
> > > Lee Stevens
> > > President 
> > > NUMBALUMS Organization
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 		
> > __________________________________
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> > Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! 
> > http://my.yahoo.com 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 23 09:34:32 2004
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Nov 23 09:35:44 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue to Sun Bowl
In-Reply-To: <001e01c4d118$60ff9780$09ff0f18@Louie>
Message-ID: <20041123153432.84650.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com>

> "However, in this case, having Kyle Orton back, who still holds the
> passing records for our game, and the fact that he's playing well, we
> voted to select Purdue. 
> 
> "Purdue is like family here and Joe Tiller has done such an
> outstanding job. And the people of El Paso will be proud to have them
> back. The committee is excited to have them back." 

Well, here is the answer to the earlier question: Yes, the bowl
committees CAN "justify" picking someone ahead of us. However, their
attempts at justification are likely to be somewhat fanciful and,
frankly, a bit creepy. 

Fortunately, the Sun Bowl always has been, and remains, dead last on my
personal list of desirable destinations among the Big Ten-associated
bowls.

Tom

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 23 10:06:50 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 23 10:09:25 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
In-Reply-To: <41A34F28.8020605@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <001701c4d176$71aa7880$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Hawai'i is getting back one of their starting LB's maybe two.

The key will again probably by our running game - they've been shredded by a
couple of teams that could run the ball, and Noah [and maybe Terrell] should
have a big night.

Unless they pack the box, and figure Baz won't throw well.

But its tough to pack the box, then defend against the screen - it takes a lot
of individual effort on their defense and nobody can be sure they're up to
stopping the 5 decent WR's that NU puts on the field at different times.

The Michigan game was Hart vs Herron - I think this one is Baz vs Chang, or
better Chang's WRs against ours. 

Hawai'i can score fast and a lot, but they've also been totally shut down by
good defenses this year. If Howard continues his line play, and Roach continues
to break into the backfield, they probably don't have much of a chance, but you
know they'll be ready for us.

They want to Bowl this year too.

Go Cats - Wack the Warriors/Rub out the Rainbows - Beat Hawaii [Hawai'i or
whatever]

rsl

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and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
AIM Handle: CoachRoy74

=========================================
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:55 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue 
> to Sun Bowl)
> 
> 
> Roy,
> 
> Thanks for bringing this bowl discussion back into perspective.
> 
> All of this bowl talk assumes that Hawaii is going to give us the win 
> for just showing up.
> 
> I would like to hear a little more about his team and what 
> the match-ups 
> look like, and a little less about all the fun we're going to 
> have when 
> we win.
> 
>  From what little I've read Hawaii has the ability to just shred 
> defensive secondaries.  Combine that with the fact that NU 
> did not have 
> a good game last week, the significant changes in climate and 
> time zone, 
> and NU's tendency to play to the level of the competition.  
> This hardly 
> looks like a gimme.  And even if it was a gimme on paper, how 
> many gimme 
> wins did NU get this year?
> 
> Hopefully the football team is a little more focused than the 
> fans and 
> media, otherwise perhaps we are going to be the ones petitioning for 
> bowl consideration with a 6-6 record.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> Roy S. Lamberton wrote:
> 
> >Aw, those West Texicans are almost New Mexicans - wadda they know.
> >
> >Actually, I think Murphy knew we were not going to El Paso all the 
> >time, which is why he wasn't excited about our chances there.
> >
> >Right now, NU has to win on Saturday [early Sunday for us 
> mainlanders].
> >
> >Everything else is just idle speculation and food for the "hot stove 
> >league" discussions.
> >
> >Go Cats - Rack the Rainbows
> >
> >rsl
> >
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
> >Computer Applications & Support Associates
> >and Publisher of Purple Reign,
> >The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
> >(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
> >AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
> >
> >=========================================
> >No Society has ever Taxed or Litigated
> >itself to prosperity...Think about it.
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> >>[mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Louie Vaccher
> >>Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:54 PM
> >>To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> >>Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue to Sun Bowl
> >>
> >>
> >>The Sun Bowl has selected Purdue to travel to El Paso for the
> >>third time in four years, deciding not to wait and see if the 
> >>Cats win on Saturday.
> >>
> >>http://www.boilerstation.com/football/stories/200411220purdue_
> >>    
> >>
> >football1101181211.shtml
> >
> >Here's an excerpt.
> >
> >The Sun Bowl committee did consider Northwestern, even 
> though it would 
> >have had to wait until Saturday to see if the Wildcats can 
> become bowl 
> >eligible by winning at Hawaii "It was a hard decision 
> initially because 
> >of the consideration given to Northwestern having beaten Purdue," 
> >Folmer said. "Historically we've always taken the team that has done 
> >that.
> >
> >"However, in this case, having Kyle Orton back, who still holds the 
> >passing records for our game, and the fact that he's playing 
> well, we 
> >voted to select Purdue.
> >
> >"Purdue is like family here and Joe Tiller has done such an 
> outstanding 
> >job. And the people of El Paso will be proud to have them back. The 
> >committee is excited to have them back."
> >
> >Well, we're excited that we don't have to go to El Paso. 
> Purdue is like 
> >family? Give me a break. And they can have Orton. He put up some 
> >numbers but the guy proved this year that he can't win a big game. 
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From johnl at mac.com  Tue Nov 23 10:21:22 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Tue Nov 23 10:21:33 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 Waivers (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <140.38221e61.2ed49539@aol.com>
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Not to burst the fun here, but I think this whole discussion may be missing the point.  Iowa State apparently needed the waiver because they may not even have 6 Division I wins.  That's different than not just having a winning record at 6-6.  No, we're talking about a team that would be 5-6 (or 5-5) against Division I teams becoming bowl eligible.  That seems a little weak to me.  If the focus is on what people knew and didn't know, I sure as heck think they knew that Northern Iowa wasn't a Division I school.

See last segment at http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1929394

According to this segment, it's unclear whether they would otherwise have been bowl eligible at 6-6 with a loss in the championship game if they win 6 Division I games.




On Tuesday, November 23, 2004, at 08:38AM, <JHCCLARK@aol.com> wrote:

>In a message dated 11/22/2004 11:59:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
>nolan@romaine.tssi.com writes:
>
>I  totally disagree.  Conference championship games shouldn't be used  to
>determine bowl eligiblity except for the already existing waiver,  which
>makes a team bowl-eligible by winning its conference  championship
>regardless of its record to that point.
>
>The NCAA  rules are a bit muddled as to whether a conference championship
>game is a  'regular season' game or not.  In some sports, notably basketball
>and  baseball, it is not considered a regular season game.  (This has  come
>up a few times when schools were sanctioned for rules  violations.)
> 
> 
>The NCAA rules recognize these championship games as regular-season games.  
>See Bylaw 18.02.4: "A postseason football game is a football contest conducted  
>after the regular football season and involving two teams selected because of 
> their REGULAR-SEASON performance (e.g. won-lost record, CONFERENCE  
>CHAMPIONSHIP)." [emphasis added]  If they were not considered  regular-season, then 
>Iowa State wouldn't NEED a waiver.
> 
>
>Further, these games have always been considered before when  making 
>post-season determinations.  Otherwise, conference champs would not  automatically get 
>a BCS spot.  And let's remember when #2 Kansas State lost  to Texas A&M in 
>the Big XII championship game -- it lost it's spot in the  National Championship 
>Game AND it's BCS bowl bid, and wound up in San  Antonio losing to Purdue.
> 
>And your point makes my point.  These games ARE  considered when teams are 
>selected for post-season play in basketball.   Teams that lose in the first 
>round of their conference tourney are often left on  the outside looking in when 
>the NCAA bids come out.  Conversely, teams that  had very little shot at making 
>the NCAAs sometimes do due to their conference  tourney showing.  The 19-10 
>Georgia Tech team that lost in the first round  of the ACC tourney comes to 
>mind -- they sat at home in March, even refusing an  NIT bid because they thought 
>they were dissed.
> 
> 
>They are real games and should carry all the good and bad of real  games.  
>You can't just take the benefits without also risking the  consequences.
>
>
>
>I think  football deserves the same consideration.  The only games that 
>should  count for bowl eligibility are the ones that are definitely on 
>the  schedule at the start of the season.  
>
>The difference here is that  Northwestern players and coaches all KNEW they 
>had 12 games scheduled and  needed to go 7-5 before the season started, 
>Iowa State did  not.
>They knew that the conference championship game was out there.  The  
>conference championship game WAS on the schedule for two teams in the Big  XII.  If 
>you and your conference choose to play these games, then live with  the 
>consequences.  Don't try to change the rules when you feel like it or  when it suits 
>your needs.  
> 
>And, let's face it, the Iowa State players had MORE of a say in whether  they 
>played in a 12th game than Northwestern players did.  It is something  that 
>they wanted and earned, whereas Hawaii was always gonna be there, whether  NU 
>was 11-0 or 0-11.  The Wildcat players has zero to say in the  matter.
> 
>And again, if a bowl game is that important, then decline the invite to the  
>Dr. Pepper Classic without forfeiting.  Then Colorado or Nebraska can  go.  
>Northwestern cannot just simply decline to play -- otherwise they  forfeit and 
>automatically go to 6-6.
> 
>Sorry, I just don't see how the Cyclones should get in and Northern  Illinois 
>(again) shouldn't.
>
>
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 23 10:26:32 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 23 10:29:07 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/23
Message-ID: <001c01c4d179$3326df10$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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** Tuesday Early Edition **

Football looking ahead to Hawai'i. Soccer looking for next NCAA Win, Bad news
from WVA and Women's Basketball as the Men  regroup - 
Previews of future games. Coaching Change at Illinois coverage, lots of
Recruiting and a long list of things in Miscellany too. In Alumni, Our PGA 
Cat is racking up the post tour honors, playing in Europe...

                                           All the News that Fits We Link
                                          Your Daily Index to News about
                                      Northwestern University Athletics, and
more

You Can Help one of our own...

     Greg Kane, one of our former basketball writers is running in a
half-marathon to support his niece who has a rare degenerative disease. 
     You can help by sponsoring him in the race - Here's the link  if you'd like
to help. Thanks.
      http://www.atcp.org/Fundraising/Marathoners/KaneGreg.htm 


Northwestern Names Hilton Garden Inn Athletes of the Week 
http://nusports.collegesports.com/genrel/112204aaa.html 


Swimmers Matt Grevers and Andrea Hupman

SOCCER

     Here we go - another team playing through the NCAA's for the first time
     Northwestern's Season of Firsts Continues at Creighton
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/112004aab.html 

FOOTBALL

     This is not our bowl game...
     Walker: Discipline a must for Hawaii trip
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu23.html 
     + Walker says no mopeds for Cats
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/23/41a2fd25493b1 
     + Hawaii no holiday for Wildcats 
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38314143 

Commentary:

     Nothing today

Big 10

     Replacing Ron Turner at Illinois...
     Firing line: Turner failed
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041122collfbillinois,1
,4838535.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Ron Turner's statement
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041122collfbillinoisco
achturner,1,5641187.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Ron Guenther's statement
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041122collfbillinoisco
achguenther,1,4178610.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Illinois must tackle issues
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041121illinifoot,1,120
7497.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Who's next: The Illinois coaching search
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041122collfbillinoiswh
onext,1,2709287.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + IlliniBoard.com's Coaching Odds: The List
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=322043 
     + Point of no return: Turner fired
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-ill23.html 
     + Recruits remain loyal to Illinois
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-iside23.html 
     + Illinois pulls plug on Turner
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intid=38314137 
     + Turner's ouster surprises some Illini players
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/232sd2.htm 
     + Greenstein: Guenther willing to go to 'Mars' to get his man
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041122greenstein,1,245
2677.column?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Cronin: His turn is over
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/232sd1.htm 

Hawaii "Rainbow" Warriors
are all that's left...

     Head Coach June Jones Monday Quotes
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cage23.html 
     + Elimimian, Moe probable vs. Wildcats
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/23/sports/story3.html 
     + 'Bows Use Second Half Surge over Vulcans, 75-49 
      http://hawaii.scout.com/2/319188.html 

Men's BASKETBALL

     Caution: NU falling from Top of World
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/23/41a2f92dca674 

     In Basketball, anything can happen
     Wake Forest wallops Yale after rising to No. 1
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cage23.html 

Looking Ahead:

     at Colorado 11/28 
     Everything is about the change in ADs...
     Buffs can't stop Harris
 
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/cu/article/0,1299,DRMN_2938_3337222,00.htm
l 

     Virginia 12/1
     Hoos Drop #11 Arizona Wildcats 78-60
      http://virginia.scout.com/2/321531.html 
     + Virginia's Sean Singletary Named ACC Rookie Of The Week
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/va/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112204aab.html

     + Singletary keys win over Arizona
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031779284713&path=%21sports 
     + Virginia Upsets No. 10 Arizona, 78-60
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112104aaa.html 
     + In a zone: Cavs' defense stops Arizona
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031779304042&path=%21sports 

     Chicago State 12/4
     Playing Texas Southern wednesday..

     DePaul 12/15
     Men's Basketball Hosts Eastern Illinois Tuesday
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=2&ID=1919 

     Seton Hall  12/19

Women's BASKETBALL

     Wildcats Come Up Short In West Virginia
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/112304aaa.html 
     + Bad D, 'gazillion lay-ups' spoil coach Combs' debut
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/23/41a2ff3046d49 
     + Yolanda Paige Sets School Assist Mark
      http://www.msnsportsnet.com/page.cfm?cat=netnews&story=7111 

RECRUITING

     Does he like NU, or doesn't he...or does he even  have an offer
     Kris Evans Michigan Athlete - Kris Evans
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=322149 
     Paul Thornton Texas LB Likes Big Ten School
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=321950 
     Jake Gaebler Big Shake-Up With Top Schools
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=321989&nid=1201736&fhn=1 
     Really likes NU and coming in today...
     Grant Nemeth Big (un)official visit tomorrow for DT
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=321934&nid=1201790&fhn=1 

     Recruits remain loyal to Illinois
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-iside23.html 

VOLLEYBALL

     No help for all-time assist leader in her home finale
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/23/41a2fe6683e2b 

MISCELLANY

     Turner wasn't the only guy leaving yesterday...
     Lou Holtz hangs it up
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041122colllfbholtz,1,1
325990.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Holtz makes room for Spurrier
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-lou23.html 
     and
     Embattled Colorado athletic director Tharp resigns 
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/22/bc.fbc.universityinves
t.ap/index.html 

     Clemson & South Carolina aren't fooling around
     Brawling will keep teams from bowling
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-clem23.html 

     Fox pays $320 million for 4-year BCS package
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nat23.html 
     + Mandel: opportunity for change 
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/stewart_mandel/11/22/inside.cfb/in
dex.html 

     Lovie doesn't want any problems with the sometimes rowdy Soldier Field Bear
fans...
     Smith warns players to avoid fan confrontations
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38314149 

Alumni

     Luke Donald: finished 19th At 
      http://www.europeantour.com/players/bio.sps?iPlayerNo=30357 
     The Volvo Masters Andalucia
 
http://www.europeantour.com/tournaments/latest.sps?iTourID=1&iTourNo=2004073 
     Final Results & Prize Money
      http://www.europeantour.com/Tournaments/leaderboard.sps?iTourNo=2004073 

     Along with Paul Casey, he won the World Golf Championships-World Cup last
week...
      http://www.worldgolfchampionships.com/info/overview 
     Casey, Donald lead England to World Cup victory
      http://www.worldgolfchampionships.com/news/story/r169/7912511 
     + Casey, Donald strike it rich
      http://www.worldgolfchampionships.com/news/story/r169/7912607 
     + Final results and earnings
      http://www.worldgolfchampionships.com/tournaments/r169/results 
     + Casey for the defence
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2004/11/23/sgcase23.xml&s
Sheet=/sport/2004/11/23/ixgolf.html 
     + Whirlwind Garcia puts Spain ahead
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2004/1
1/21/sgwc21.xml 

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 23 10:35:50 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 23 10:35:53 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 Waivers (fwd)
Message-ID: <200411231635.iANGZor1021373@romaine.tssi.com>

> Not to burst the fun here, but I think this whole discussion may be missing the point.  Iowa State apparently needed the waiver because they may not even have 6 Division I wins.  That's different than not just having a winning record at 6-6.  No, we're talking about a team that would be 5-6 (or 5-5) against Division I teams becoming bowl eligible.  That seems a little weak to me.  If the focus is on what people knew and didn't know, I sure as heck think they knew that Northern Iowa wasn't a Division I school.

The NCAA already permits schools to count a win against a I-AA school
in their six wins, though they can only do so once every four years.

I don't think ISU has already used their exemption in the last four
years.  

Not that it's particularly relevant, but for those who aren't aware of 
Iowa politics, several years the Iowa Legislature 'encouraged' both 
Iowa and Iowa State to schedule games with each other and with Northern 
Iowa on a regular if not necessarily annual basis.  

As to whether ISU is more deserving of a bowl game than Northern Illinois, 
as I recall they defeated NIU in a defensive struggle earlier this year.  
(The score was 48-41, so BOTH defenses struggled!)
--
Mike Nolan

From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Tue Nov 23 10:51:16 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (sjtruog@jorsm.com)
Date: Tue Nov 23 10:58:09 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
In-Reply-To: <41A34F28.8020605@hilgraeve.com>
References: <001001c4d162$48c50c50$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
	<41A34F28.8020605@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <28631.67.38.221.106.1101228676.squirrel@webmail.jorsm.com>

> Roy,
>
> Thanks for bringing this bowl discussion back into perspective.
>
> I would like to hear a little more about his team and what the match-ups
> look like, and a little less about all the fun we're going to have when
> we win.

Now now - in every one of my bowl messages, I've been careful to include
IF we beat Hawaii and have never looked ahead.

Hawaii's offense definitely presents a huge test -- especially at their
place and with our secondary. They top 300 yards per game by air alone.

However, their defense has also allowed some astounding numbers, an
average rushing yardage of 262 per game and 461 total yards per game.
Boise State and Fresno State each shredded the Rainbows for 69 and 70
points. Hawaii also allowed 41 to Rice, 51 to UTEP. The biggest difference
- all of those were on the road. At home, the highest total was 35 by FAMU
in the opener.

This could be a TCU-like game, IMO, where it's a wide-open WAC style
scorefest. Hopefully with everything on the line, NU is more focused and
shows that they have matured since that opener. Hopefully we also get Noah
going early and often to chew some clock and bring some smashmouth
football to the islands.

I don't really think anyone's looking past Hawaii. We're getting excited
about the possibilities of a fifth bowl in ten years, but we know that in
order to accomplish that, we need to win at Hawaii. What we can be excited
about, however, is a 5-3 league mark (after 4-4 last year, two straight
non-losing league seasons), a solo fourth place finish and a 5-game home
winning streak.

As for the 6-6 petition discussion ... interesting talk, since it appears
that they're either gonna need to get some 6-6 petitions this year or send
half the MAC bowling (and as much as I think the MAC is underrated, it's
also not as disrespected as Joe Novak's whining would make you think --
they didn't deserve the Motor City Bowl over us last year and they
couldn't beat mid-level BCS league teams like Maryland and Iowa State this
year). I think that if the Big Ten would throw its weight into the waiver
games, though, it would be for a possibly 6-6 MSU team and not a 6-6 NU
team because we just went to Detroit and Motown would LOVE to have Sparty.

But there are gonna be a lot of bids out there now -- especially with the
South Carolina/Clemson decision. That's a pretty bold move - gotta give
those schools some credit. Can you imagine FSU and Florida declining bowl
invites to punish their players for their semi-annual pregame brawl? The
SC/Clem move means the ACC and SEC will both not fulfill bowl
requirements. They sent a message to their players and to the league that
will hit pocketbooks. That took some guts - I'll give 'em that.

So if we do win (note the IF:) ), our Nashville opponent would appear to
be 'Bama. But we'll see how the SEC shakes down ... with Florida's win
over FSU and if Tennessee gets crushed again by Auburn, the league may
send the Gators to Tampa (UGa to Orlando and LSU to Dallas on Jan. 1),
leaving the Peach to pick between a resurgent Tide and a Vols team that
stunk up the Dome last year pouting about their BCS snub. That might mean
that Tennessee slips all the way to Nashville. Ready for another round of
Rocky Top?:)

Nothing's for sure - but it is fun to talk scenarios and have Northwestern
included in that talk at this time of year!:)

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!
-SjT

From cpscout at enterprisesw.com  Tue Nov 23 11:41:47 2004
From: cpscout at enterprisesw.com (Chris Patterson)
Date: Tue Nov 23 11:44:06 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Fans Overconfident? Let's Preview the Rainbows
In-Reply-To: <41A34F28.8020605@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <005301c4d183$b8379d70$7000a8c0@Audubon.local>

I agree with Jeff and Roy, let's start talking about Saturday's game
(albeit, I did make reservations to board my dog on the 30th yesterday :)).

How big is the offensive line for Hawaii? I watched their game against Idaho
and it was hard to tell. Should the CATS blitz a lot on Sat?

Same question with their D line. And what's their secondary like? The team
will need to execute some passes this Sat. or Noah won't get 100 again.

The CATS have got to come to play and forget about everything else!

Chris Patterson
Knoxville, TN

Go CATS! 



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:55 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)


Roy,

Thanks for bringing this bowl discussion back into perspective.

All of this bowl talk assumes that Hawaii is going to give us the win 
for just showing up.

I would like to hear a little more about his team and what the match-ups 
look like, and a little less about all the fun we're going to have when 
we win.

 From what little I've read Hawaii has the ability to just shred 
defensive secondaries.  Combine that with the fact that NU did not have 
a good game last week, the significant changes in climate and time zone, 
and NU's tendency to play to the level of the competition.  This hardly 
looks like a gimme.  And even if it was a gimme on paper, how many gimme 
wins did NU get this year?

Hopefully the football team is a little more focused than the fans and 
media, otherwise perhaps we are going to be the ones petitioning for 
bowl consideration with a 6-6 record.

Jeff




From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 23 12:00:51 2004
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Tue Nov 23 12:02:05 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue to Sun Bowl
In-Reply-To: <20041123153432.84650.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041123180051.32733.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com>

Worth noting: If Northwestern goes to the Music City Bowl and Minnesota goes to the Motor City Bowl, the Cats will be going ahead of a Gopher team that they lost to (in a blowout) earlier this year.
 
But NU's Big Ten record (5-3) compared to Minnesota's (3-5) would seem to justify taking the Cats over the Gophers.
 
Just shows that nothing's absolute...
 
-- Ben

Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, here is the answer to the earlier question: Yes, the bowl
committees CAN "justify" picking someone ahead of us. However, their
attempts at justification are likely to be somewhat fanciful and,
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From JHCCLARK at aol.com  Tue Nov 23 14:31:42 2004
From: JHCCLARK at aol.com (JHCCLARK@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 23 14:36:04 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 Waivers (fwd)
Message-ID: <6A758839.5CC1A02F.006D6456@aol.com>

<<The NCAA already permits schools to count a win against a I-AA school in their six wins, though they can only do so once every four years.>>

That's right.  From what I remember reading, the issue is that, with Iowa State now 6-4, they might lose to Mizzou and still (somehow) make it to the Dr. Pepper Classic, where, if they lose to Oklahoma, they would be 6-6.  I guess Colorado would have to lose to Nebraska, and ISU would go because they beat Nebraska earlier this year.  Is that right?

And true, ISU beat NIU earlier in the year AT Ames (for what that's worth).  <smile>  Maybe I should have used Toledo as an example.

The gist of my (half-hearted) beef is the big conferences bending the rules at the expense of smaller schools.  Now, if the rules weren't there to begin with, or if the rules were different to begin with, I might see it differently.  I just don't like that rules apply to some and MAY apply to others "at their convenience."

And again, I don't think you should go bowling without at LEAST a winning record, even in 12-game seasons like last year, when teams with winning records stay at home (sorry to say).

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 23 17:31:48 2004
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Nov 23 17:32:58 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Fans Overconfident? 
In-Reply-To: <005301c4d183$b8379d70$7000a8c0@Audubon.local>
Message-ID: <20041123233148.44694.qmail@web53809.mail.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I am not taking Hawaii for granted, but please allow me to be excited. I know
that Hawaii can beat us, but a little bowl dreaming on a dreary November day is
a good thing. 

Oddly enough, if Hawaii turns out to be a strong as some list members have
said, we could still get to a bowl game either way. If we lose AND MSU loses to
them the following week, then Minnesota (6-5) comes to Nashville and 6-6 NU
goes back to Detroit while 5-7 Sparty watches from just up the street :-)

Dare to Dream Big!

Aloha,
-Jim
 


		
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From johnl at mac.com  Tue Nov 23 18:16:40 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Tue Nov 23 18:16:51 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Irked
In-Reply-To: <20041123233148.44694.qmail@web53809.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041123233148.44694.qmail@web53809.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <14759034.1101255400410.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>

I don't so much mind being picked over for the Alamo and Sun Bowls--I'm probably more likely to attend the game in Nashville than attend a 2d tier bowl in El Paso or even San Antonio (due to the distance).

But articles like the one linked below are irksome.  It reports that the Alamo Bowl chose Ohio State over Purdue for various reasons.  No mention at all of Northwestern.  The article ought to report that Ohio State was chosen over Purdue and Northwestern, who finished the season ahead of both Purdue and Ohio State and defeated both the Buckeyes and Purdue.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1930224


From cdueltgen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 23 18:41:13 2004
From: cdueltgen at gmail.com (Cynthia Dueltgen)
Date: Tue Nov 23 18:42:25 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Any fans in Portland, OR?
Message-ID: <2268a9e80411231641f827bea@mail.gmail.com>

I'm visiting family for Thanksgiving up in Portland, and would very
much like to watch the game on Saturday night.  Can anyone out there
recommend a sports bar in Portland?  Doesn't really matter where, my
family is scattered around the whole area.

Thanks.

-Cynthia

From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Tue Nov 23 19:06:24 2004
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Tue Nov 23 19:07:19 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
In-Reply-To: <41A34F28.8020605@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <200411240107.iAO17GZE016754@gw.tssi.com>

One thing you know for sure when you face Hawai'i, your secondary will be
tested.  Say what you will about the circumstances under which Timmy Chang
set the all time record for  passing yards, but clearly this is an offense
dedicated to throwing fast and second and third.  

Now, having only seen them play once this year, I hardly consider myself an
expert but I must say that I was not overly impressed.  The challenge I
think for the Cats is twofold.  Contain Chang and avoid the "island
letdown". The defensive has to get pressure on Chang and try to get him out
of his rhythm, force him to throw quicker than he would like and hopefully
get some favorable matchups  in the secondary.

Equally, if not more importantly, the Cats can't fall victim to the jetlag
and paradise ennui of visiting the islands.  I have seen too many teams go
out to Hawai'i and just not play the game they are capable of playing
because they're preoccupied with the sun and surf.  If the Cats can keep
their focus they should be able to win this one and spend New Years on Music
Row.

Mark
Mark S. Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com
 

 From what little I've read Hawaii has the ability to just shred 
defensive secondaries.  Combine that with the fact that NU did not have 
a good game last week, the significant changes in climate and time zone, 
and NU's tendency to play to the level of the competition.  This hardly 
looks like a gimme.  And even if it was a gimme on paper, how many gimme 
wins did NU get this year?


From CHerron604 at aol.com  Tue Nov 23 23:03:22 2004
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 23 23:07:28 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
Message-ID: <25.5325fba0.2ed5701a@aol.com>

Some facts I ran across about Northwestern vs. Hawaii

- Their O-line - 285 pounds per man.  Our D-line - 294 pounds per man.

- Our O-line - 312 pounds per man.  Their D-line - 281 pounds per man.

Our D-line ought to be able to move their O-line, and keep alot of pressure 
on Mr. Chang.

Our O-line should push around their D-line, and open up some hughr holes for 
Noah.

Hawaii has the 4th Passing Offense nationally, 318 yds/game - 11.4 yds per 
passing attempt

Our passing offense is a surprisingly good 45th nationally.  230 yards per 
game, and about 11.0 yards per passing attempt

Our rushing game is an equally nice (and balanced) 46th nationally, 168.1 
yards/game.

Hawaii is awful running the ball - 111th nationally, only 95 yards per game.

We are 64th nationally in total defense - giving up 381 yards per game.  
Works out to about 4.99 yards per play, and we have yielded 37 touchdowns.

Hawaii is an awful 112th nationally in total defense, giving up 462 yards per 
game, 5.97 yards per play.  They have yielded 50 touchdowns already.

They have been shredded by some teams, especially running the ball.  Rice 
outrushed them 405 yards to 7.  Ed Bailey was their leading rusher in that game - 
37 carries for 234 yards (6.3 y/c).  On the season, he has rushed 185 times 
for 881 yards, 4.76 yards per carry.

San Jose State (2-8) outrushed them 315-108.  That one game accounted for 20% 
of San Jose's total season rushing yards.

Boise State carried it 50 times for 430 yards - 18% of their 2383 yard 
rushing this year

Louisiana Tech (5-6) outrushed them 275 to 86.

Fresno outrushed them 503 to 106.  The 503 yards are 23% of their seasons 
total of 2195 yards.

On offense, we need to pound the ball, maybe put up 400-500 yards rushing.  
Keep the ball out of Timmy Chang's hands.  Pass it around some, to keep them 
honest, but NO dumb interceptions (late first half interceptions gave new life 
to both Penn State and Illinois in recent weeks).

All year long, we have driven the ball downfield, only to settle for a field 
goal (or a missed field goal).  If we kill 5 minutes driving, but settle for 3 
points, and Hawaii throws a bomb for 7, that hasn't helped anything.  When we 
are in the red zone, PUT THE BALL IN THE END ZONE.

On defense, push their line around, keep up the pressure on their QB, don't 
get beat long.

On special teams - COVER OUR KICKS.  Twice against Illinois (1st half 
touchdown and the Backes touchdown), Illinois had massive returns that set up a 
touchdown, and almost the game winning field goal.  Have we reached the point where 
we kick it out of bounds, so they start at the 35 and not mid-field ?

AND NO MORE DUMB PENALTIES !

I wuld prefer that the legacy of the Walker years not be mid-level bowls, 
league-high penalty totals, slow season starts, inconsistent kicking games, and 
playing down to the opponents level.

Can anybody remember the last time we outplayed and put away a double-digit 
underdog, rested the starters for 10-15 minutes and got the younger guys some 
playing time ?

Chuck Herron  Tech '85
   
From cyrilku at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 24 08:49:23 2004
From: cyrilku at yahoo.com (Cyril S. Ku)
Date: Wed Nov 24 08:50:36 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
In-Reply-To: <25.5325fba0.2ed5701a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041124144923.73846.qmail@web53304.mail.yahoo.com>

It was last year at Duke. We were up 28-10 in the
fourth quarter. I believe we rested some of the
starters and a young LB, Nick Roach sacked Duke's
quarterback on the final play of the game.

That was the only NU game I attended last year.

Cyril Ku

--- CHerron604@aol.com wrote:

> Can anybody remember the last time we outplayed and
> put away a double-digit 
> underdog, rested the starters for 10-15 minutes and
> got the younger guys some 
> playing time ?
> 
> Chuck Herron  Tech '85
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Nov 24 09:11:52 2004
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Nov 24 09:16:41 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
In-Reply-To: <25.5325fba0.2ed5701a@aol.com>
References: <25.5325fba0.2ed5701a@aol.com>
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Chuck wrote <snip>

>I wuld prefer that the legacy of the Walker years not be mid-level bowls, 
>league-high penalty totals, slow season starts, inconsistent kicking games, and 
>playing down to the opponents level.
>
>Can anybody remember the last time we outplayed and put away a double-digit 
>underdog, rested the starters for 10-15 minutes and got the younger guys some 
>playing time ?
>
>  
>
Excellent points.  The abiliity to put less competitive teams away early 
and get your second and third string kids into the game is what allows 
teams like Michigan and OSU to reload every year rather than rebuild.  
At the end of the Michigan game, the Michigan subs moved the ball pretty 
well against our first string.

Jeff

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 24 09:18:16 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 24 09:20:49 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
In-Reply-To: <25.5325fba0.2ed5701a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004301c4d238$d44798c0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Good analysis

The only caveat I'd add is that NU's big O-line has had trouble with smaller
defensives if they are quick. I'm not sure if they are.

One of the other things to remember is that Hawaii has not had all of their
original starting front 7 defenders all year. They are starting to get some of
the them back and they're itching to make big plays.

Their stats are all skewed by a couple of blowouts early, as I remember they've
played a few decent games lately.

They play a lot better at home, where the temp is higher, and the time is late
for the "mainland" teams.

We should have no trouble with these guys, altho Chang has something to prove.

Anyway, you've done half my pregame intel report work - I'll give you credit.
Thanks

Go Cats - rack the rainbows

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of CHerron604@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:03 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue 
> to Sun Bowl)
> 
> 
> Some facts I ran across about Northwestern vs. Hawaii
> 
> - Their O-line - 285 pounds per man.  Our D-line - 294 pounds per man.
> 
> - Our O-line - 312 pounds per man.  Their D-line - 281 pounds per man.
> 
> Our D-line ought to be able to move their O-line, and keep 
> alot of pressure 
> on Mr. Chang.
> 
> Our O-line should push around their D-line, and open up some 
> hughr holes for 
> Noah.
> 
> Hawaii has the 4th Passing Offense nationally, 318 yds/game - 
> 11.4 yds per 
> passing attempt
> 
> Our passing offense is a surprisingly good 45th nationally.  
> 230 yards per 
> game, and about 11.0 yards per passing attempt
> 
> Our rushing game is an equally nice (and balanced) 46th 
> nationally, 168.1 
> yards/game.
> 
> Hawaii is awful running the ball - 111th nationally, only 95 
> yards per game.
> 
> We are 64th nationally in total defense - giving up 381 yards 
> per game.  
> Works out to about 4.99 yards per play, and we have yielded 
> 37 touchdowns.
> 
> Hawaii is an awful 112th nationally in total defense, giving 
> up 462 yards per 
> game, 5.97 yards per play.  They have yielded 50 touchdowns already.
> 
> They have been shredded by some teams, especially running the 
> ball.  Rice 
> outrushed them 405 yards to 7.  Ed Bailey was their leading 
> rusher in that game - 
> 37 carries for 234 yards (6.3 y/c).  On the season, he has 
> rushed 185 times 
> for 881 yards, 4.76 yards per carry.
> 
> San Jose State (2-8) outrushed them 315-108.  That one game 
> accounted for 20% 
> of San Jose's total season rushing yards.
> 
> Boise State carried it 50 times for 430 yards - 18% of their 
> 2383 yard 
> rushing this year
> 
> Louisiana Tech (5-6) outrushed them 275 to 86.
> 
> Fresno outrushed them 503 to 106.  The 503 yards are 23% of 
> their seasons 
> total of 2195 yards.
> 
> On offense, we need to pound the ball, maybe put up 400-500 
> yards rushing.  
> Keep the ball out of Timmy Chang's hands.  Pass it around 
> some, to keep them 
> honest, but NO dumb interceptions (late first half 
> interceptions gave new life 
> to both Penn State and Illinois in recent weeks).
> 
> All year long, we have driven the ball downfield, only to 
> settle for a field 
> goal (or a missed field goal).  If we kill 5 minutes driving, 
> but settle for 3 
> points, and Hawaii throws a bomb for 7, that hasn't helped 
> anything.  When we 
> are in the red zone, PUT THE BALL IN THE END ZONE.
> 
> On defense, push their line around, keep up the pressure on 
> their QB, don't 
> get beat long.
> 
> On special teams - COVER OUR KICKS.  Twice against Illinois (1st half 
> touchdown and the Backes touchdown), Illinois had massive 
> returns that set up a 
> touchdown, and almost the game winning field goal.  Have we 
> reached the point where 
> we kick it out of bounds, so they start at the 35 and not mid-field ?
> 
> AND NO MORE DUMB PENALTIES !
> 
> I wuld prefer that the legacy of the Walker years not be 
> mid-level bowls, 
> league-high penalty totals, slow season starts, inconsistent 
> kicking games, and 
> playing down to the opponents level.
> 
> Can anybody remember the last time we outplayed and put away 
> a double-digit 
> underdog, rested the starters for 10-15 minutes and got the 
> younger guys some 
> playing time ?
> 
> Chuck Herron  Tech '85
>    
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Nov 24 09:24:15 2004
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Nov 24 09:29:01 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
Message-ID: <41A4A79F.7050502@hilgraeve.com>

Thee is a Trib story today about RW getting a look from other schools.  
Basically it pointed out that if NU goes to a bowl game this year, it 
represents two successful years in a row.  As a result, RW would show up 
on the short list for some of the coaching positions expected to open up 
during the offseason.  RW's response was that he is happy at NU.  He 
doesn't think of himself as  someone that is always working the system 
for his next job.  But if an offer came up that was too good to turn 
down, he would consider it.  It also pointed out that his current 
contract expires in 2007. 

Seems like an honest response, but also had the effect of putting a 
little pressure on Murphy.

How would everyone feel if he got a better offer and took it?

Jeff




From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Wed Nov 24 09:30:29 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov 24 09:35:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
In-Reply-To: <25.5325fba0.2ed5701a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300bdca5312637c@[66.170.162.204]>

>Our D-line ought to be able to move their O-line, and keep alot of pressure
>on Mr. Chang.

And we've been doing a lot better at that since Loren came back - hopefully
we see Howard and company chasing Chang down a lot.

>On offense, we need to pound the ball, maybe put up 400-500 yards rushing.
>Keep the ball out of Timmy Chang's hands.  Pass it around some, to keep them
>honest, but NO dumb interceptions (late first half interceptions gave new
>life
>to both Penn State and Illinois in recent weeks).

That's the big thing - we have to commit to the running game and just pound
away. And, as was said, turnovers.

>All year long, we have driven the ball downfield, only to settle for a field
>goal (or a missed field goal).  If we kill 5 minutes driving, but settle
>for 3
>points, and Hawaii throws a bomb for 7, that hasn't helped anything.  When we
>are in the red zone, PUT THE BALL IN THE END ZONE.

Actually, I thought I saw a stat during the PSU game about us having one of
the higher % of red zone TDs (in relation to opportunities) in the nation
-- after that TCU game, I think we just decided when inside the 20, we were
going for it.

>AND NO MORE DUMB PENALTIES !

:) -- we had been really good on that all year until the Illinois game. I'm
just hoping that was a blip and maybe that eagle-eyed and flag-happy ref
from across the field doesn't make the trip. Though ... can we opt NOT to
bring Big Ten refs and go with ones from the WAC?:)

>I wuld prefer that the legacy of the Walker years not be mid-level bowls,
>league-high penalty totals, slow season starts, inconsistent kicking
>games, and
>playing down to the opponents level.

Sheesh - that's kind of harsh on Thanksgiving weekend!:) Though I'd agree
with the kicking game part (and before this year, the penalties - though
we've improved there). As for the rest ...

- I'm not sure we play "down" to the opponent's level -- these last two
years, we've really only lost two games to teams we "should" have beaten.
Air Force last year and TCU this year. The Air Force one still hurts - that
was a collapse. TCU was an opener on the road. But other than that, we've
beaten the teams we should have and beaten a few we shouldn't have.

- Slow starts ... well, I'd rather have the slow part there with a strong
finish than the other way around (see Minnesota). I think our strong
finishes the past two years show a nice resolve and overall improvement on
the team. This year, we had some tough losses (on and off the field) to
start out against a fairly solid schedule. And it's not like other NU
coaches have been able to start 3-0 in the NC slate either.:( It'd be nice,
but if I had to choose, strong finishes is fine with me.

- As for the mid-level bowls, if we can get it done and beat Hawaii, Walker
will have three bowl trips in the last five years. Those three trips will
be as many as every other NU coach, combined. Yeah, we would have gotten a
couple more in the '60s under the plethora of bowls today, but it'd still
be Walker at the top of the list individually.

Perhaps more important ... we've gone 4-4 and 5-3 in league play the last
two years. Only two other NU coaches have posted consecutive non-losing Big
Ten records since WWII - Agase in the early '70s and Barnett in the
mid-'90s. Establishing some consistency in winning league games and heading
to the postseason (winning one would be nice:) ) would be a nice step in
building the program we all hope for one day.

>Can anybody remember the last time we outplayed and put away a double-digit
>underdog, rested the starters for 10-15 minutes and got the younger guys some
>playing time ?

OK - it would be nice to not have a nervewrecking finale once and awhile
for the ole' heart, but it has been fun and NU football rarely is dull.:)
But as for this season in particular, I'd argue that we weren't going to
blow anybody out. Kansas is a much tougher team than their record (ask
Texas), Indiana won at Oregon, beat Minny and have a couple other teams
that "should" have pounded them fits ... and Illinois is a rivalry game. In
the other three, Purdue and OSU were ranked and at PSU was against one of
the nation's better defenses. I certainly didn't expect any blowouts going
into this year, and looking back, I'm not surprised we didn't have any.

I dunno ... are the Walker years perfect? Are we "there" yet? No ... but I
hardly think his legacy will be that bad. A win on Saturday would help a
lot ... but regardless, this has been an enjoyable season. As I mentioned
in the first wrap of the year when the Otto Graham Honor Roll was unveiled
... it gives some perspective on where NU football has been and how truly
thankful we can be for the last decade or so.

Happy Thanksgiving!

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Nov 24 09:36:20 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 24 09:37:55 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Soccer Team
Message-ID: <da.198b1d07.2ed60474@aol.com>

I see that our men's soccer team was ousted from the NCAA's by Creighton,  
the home team which was nationally ranked, by a 3-2 score.
 
A salute from this corner of the Purple and White world for this year's  team 
for our first-ever appearance and a great year.  Maybe the men's hoops  teams 
can follow in their wake.
 
Paul Levinson
From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Wed Nov 24 09:36:53 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov 24 09:42:16 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Irked
In-Reply-To: <14759034.1101255400410.JavaMail.johnl@mac.com>
References: <20041123233148.44694.qmail@web53809.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20041123233148.44694.qmail@web53809.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <l03130301bdca59a8efc1@[66.170.160.26]>

>But articles like the one linked below are irksome.  It reports that the
>Alamo Bowl chose Ohio State over Purdue for various reasons.  No mention
>at all of Northwestern.

Yeah ... that's what irks me, too. Kind of like ESPN's wrapup show on
Saturday, not even showing a highlight or score (Backes' return?) to
mention that we might be bowl eligible if we beat Hawaii.

It's not surprising ... or even biased ... just good at ticking NU fans
off! I guess they'd gone so long with NU as 0-11 or 1-10 that they just
don't see us as a team to follow or bother with.

And the Minnesota analagy's not quite there because here we have two teams
that finished 4-4 chosen ahead of an NU team that they LOST to -- whereas
with Minnesota, we're 5-3 and they're 3-5. It's not really a head-to-head
thing there.

But yeah -- just a mention that the committee chose OSU or Purdue despite
NU having a better record and having BEATEN them would be nice!:)

I would say that the Music City not naming Minnesota along with the other
Big Ten bowls makes it pretty much a certainty that IF we can win at
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Nov 24 09:38:12 2004
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Nov 24 09:42:56 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
In-Reply-To: <004301c4d238$d44798c0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <004301c4d238$d44798c0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <41A4AAE4.6080303@hilgraeve.com>

roy wrote <snip>

>Good analysis
>
>The only caveat I'd add is that NU's big O-line has had trouble with smaller
>defensives if they are quick. I'm not sure if they are.
>
>One of the other things to remember is that Hawaii has not had all of their
>original starting front 7 defenders all year. They are starting to get some of
>the them back and they're itching to make big plays.
>
>Their stats are all skewed by a couple of blowouts early, as I remember they've
>played a few decent games lately.
>
>They play a lot better at home, where the temp is higher, and the time is late
>for the "mainland" teams.
>
>  
>
Your points are good too!

This is a tale of two teams.  They don't play well on the road at all 
(where they've been blown out and run over).  They just light it up at 
home (where maybe the visiting teams are a little slower than normal).

This is virually the first time all year they are going to have most of 
their starting defense on the field. 

They have to win the next two game to play in their own bowl game. 

I agree that on paper we should be able to run on them without a 
problem, but if anybody watched the Toledo/BG shootout last night - 
that's just a taste of what a wide open June Jones offense looks like.

Jeff

From CHerron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 24 10:01:29 2004
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 24 10:03:01 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
Message-ID: <6AAB3760.6864B101.0A143833@aol.com>

Some good stuff in the Honolulu Advertiser...

Warriors sound very beaten up:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Nov/24/sp/sp08p.html

First time in a while I can recall a shower fall and homesickness showing up in the injury reports, though it is almost surprising that there aren't more shower injuries (would OSHA ever allow showers to be designed if they did not already exist ? Slippery floors combined with hard surfaces ?).

Warrior fan frustration running very high:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Nov/19/sp/sp02p.html

We thought the Chicago columnists were tough...

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Nov/13/sp/sp50pferd.html

He closes with:

"With an injured and battered defense in shambles and an offense that is a shell of its former self, the painful question for this season is: Have we mercifully ? and finally ? seen the worst?"

I also like his mention of the "monthly, obligatory but curious fake punt pass".  Would like to hear one of those on Saturday.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Nov 24 10:03:30 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Nov 24 10:03:32 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving? (fwd)
Message-ID: <200411241603.iAOG3Unn001722@romaine.tssi.com>

> How would everyone feel if he got a better offer and took it?

I think frustrated is the word that comes to mind.  We suffer through
the Wheeler incident, which appears to have set NU back about two years, 
and just when it appears that most folks have decided RW can actually 
coach football we could lose him.

We'll never be a 'destination' school for a coach, it appears.  But
there are precious few of those.  Who would have thought Alabama wasn't
one of them?

The ultimate painful irony would be if Colorado fires Barnett (the AD
resigned under pressure this week and there are rumors of a slush fund
involving Barnett) and CU goes after RW.
--
Mike Nolan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Nov 24 10:13:35 2004
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 24 10:17:55 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving? (fwd)
Message-ID: <1df.2f684901.2ed60d2f@aol.com>

I would hate to see RW leave especially to Colorado, but then would we take  
Barnett Back?
The plot thickens.
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 24 10:19:32 2004
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed Nov 24 10:20:44 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
In-Reply-To: <41A4A79F.7050502@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <20041124161932.32109.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> How would everyone feel if he got a better offer and took it?

I for one would be very sorry to see him go. 

I consider last year and this year to be back-to-back "successful"
seasons. Not spectacular, but successful. I more than got my money's
worth on season tix, and we have a shot at the 3rd bowl game in RW's 5
years. Also, the team has made singificant improvements from last year
(except perhaps with the kicking game), and looks poised to do well
again next year. 

Looking at the graduation analysis from that Stanford site, it seems
clear to me that RW has done things the right way, and has managed a
reasonable degree of success while doing it. Sure, it'd be fun to be
competing on a level with Oklahoma, LSU, etc., but given that top level
on-field performance and high graduation rates seem to be almost
mutually exclusive, I don't think it is a realistic expectation.

It would not be too soon to look at extending RW's contract IMO.

Tom

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 24 10:49:25 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 24 10:53:21 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <1df.2f684901.2ed60d2f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004701c4d245$8ee00940$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I certainly wouldn't want GB back - too much baggage.

Randy has continually said he'd stay at NU as long as we'd have him. The usual
naysayers beside, I'm not sure he's not getting any vibes that would make him
think most Cat fans would like him to stay around.

Go Cats - Waste the Warriors

rsl

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Nov 24 10:55:40 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Nov 24 10:55:42 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving? (fwd)
Message-ID: <200411241655.iAOGteiS002251@romaine.tssi.com>

> I would hate to see RW leave especially to Colorado, but then would we take  
> Barnett Back?

2 words:  NO WAY!
--
Mike Nolan

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 24 10:57:08 2004
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed Nov 24 10:58:19 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
In-Reply-To: <1df.2f684901.2ed60d2f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041124165708.70108.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com>

With all due respect to potential back-to-back bowl games (IF we beat Hawaii),
I think we'd fair well if Walker got poached. He's done some very good things
at NU, but he hasn't exactly set the coaching world on fire. 

I think he's a good "program manager" kind of coach (he runs the program well),
but not a great recruiter or great game day coach. 

Since it is the season of wish lists, just for fun:

1) Ron Vanderlinden
2) Bob Davie
3) Ron Zook 

Penn State could be ready for a shake-up as they prepare for Paterno's
departure (this year or next). The other two have something left to prove. 

Bored as I wait to leave for the airport,
-Jim






		
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 24 11:24:00 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 24 11:26:29 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/24
Message-ID: <004a01c4d24a$6623c690$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
for Purple Reign
& the NU Sports List

** Thanksgiving Eve Edition **

Its honors for both Football, Field Hockey and Swimming team members. The end of
the firsts for Soccer. Looking ahead to the Islands, 
Volleyball ends their season this weekend. More Miscellany...

                                           All the News that Fits We Link
                                          Your Daily Index to News about
                                     Northwestern University Athletics, and more

You Can Help one of our own...

     Greg Kane, one of our former basketball writers is running in a
half-marathon to support his niece who has a rare degenerative 
     disease. You can help by sponsoring him in the race - Here's the link  if
you'd like to help. Thanks.

SOCCER

     Jays End Wildcats' Tourney Run, 3-2
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/recaps/112304aab.html 
     + Northwestern's Season of Firsts Continues at Creighton
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/112004aab.html 

FOOTBALL

     Big Ten Announces 2004 Football All-Conference Teams And Individual Honors
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112304aad.html 
     + Nine Wildcats Named to All-Big Ten Team
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112304aaa.html 
     +Tim McGarigle Named All Big 10 by Media
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/322460.html 
     + Zach Strief: Named 2nd Team All Big 10
      http://scout.foxsports.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=8&c=1&nid=1505661&refid=400 
     + Noah Herron: Named 2nd Team All Big 10
      http://scout.foxsports.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=8&c=1&nid=1505480&refid=400 
     + Luis Castillo Named 2nd Team All Big 10
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=322448&nid=1242531&fhn=1 

     Walker always said he'd stay as long as NU wants him...
     Wildcats' Walker not the restless type
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041123nu,1,1892420.sto
ry?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     Northwestern at Hawaii Late Addition to ESPN GamePlan
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112304aad.html 
     + You can also get it on your computer, but it costs $$$ - Here's the Link
      http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/gameplan/index 

     From Gameday last week
     Luis Castillo Dancing Bear discusses '80s, G.I. Joe and Homer Simpson
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419dc0da40796 
     + Loren Howard: If you show me yours, I will show you mine
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419dba895066c 
     + Ticket to success
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419dc2232f602 

Commentary:

     Bobak: The Malccontent
      http://sports.wnur.org/analysts/gb112304.html 
     Tormey: Three and Out
      http://sports.wnur.org/analysts/ft112304.html 
     GoUPurple: Looking Ahead to Hawaii and beyond
      http://hailtopurple.com/cde/bowls.html 

     Tenorio:Thanks for nothing ... where's the stuffing?
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/11/19/419db86781fb4 

Big 10

     Leach jumps to top of Illini list
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041123illinisearchleac
h,1,4641884.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     Big Ten Announces Five Bowl Selections
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112304aaf.html 
     + It's official: Bowl bids accepted by trio of Big Ten teams
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-crep24.html 
     + Iowa to Capital One Bowl
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/23/bc.fbc.iowa.bowl.ap/in
dex.html 
     + Ohio State in Alamo Bowl
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/23/bc.fbc.ohiost.alamobow
l.ap/index.html 
     + Wisconsin in Outback
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/23/bc.fbc.wisconsin.outba
ck.ap/index.html 
     + Purdue takes Sun bid
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/23/bc.fbc.purdue.sunbowl.
ap/index.html 

     Big Ten Weekly Football Release - Nov. 22
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112304aaa.html 

Hawaii "Rainbow" Warriors
are all that's left...

     Sports Xchange: Warriors report: Strategy and personnel
      http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/report/HI/7923442 
     + Inside slant
      http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/report/HI/7923440 
     + Notes, quotes
      http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/report/HI/7923443 

     Trouble in Paradise???
     Pearman may leave Warriors - [Plus an Injury Update on the Warriors]
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/24/sports/story3.html 

Men's BASKETBALL

     Men's Basketball Weekly Release - November 22
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112204aac.html 

Looking Ahead:

     at Colorado 11/28

     Virginia 12/1
     Cavalier Men's Basketball Hosts Appalachian State Wednesday
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112304aaa.html 
     + Virginia looks to ride momentum
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031779327331&path=%21sports 

     Chicago State 12/4
     Men's Basketball Plays at Texas Southern on Wednesday
      http://www.csu.edu/Athletics/Mbasketballhome.htm 

     DePaul 12/15
     Blue Demons win, but it's a struggle
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38315148 
     + Khara Smith leads DePaul
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38315164 
     + DePaul 53, Eastern Illinois 51
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/242sd4.htm 

     Seton Hall  12/19
     Their next game is Sunday

Women's BASKETBALL

     At Least 81 Big Ten Women's Basketball Games Scheduled to be Televised in
2004-05
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/112304aaa.html 

RECRUITING

     Ramon named all State
     Ramon Diaz: Best Lineman in Illinois?
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=322700&nid=1473016&fhn=1 
     + Morris begins preparation for Hilltoppers and %a State Championship
 
http://www.morrisdailyherald.com/main.asp?SectionID=16&SubSectionID=72&ArticleID
=12258 

     Illinois O-Lineman - Andy Laue
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=322638 
     + Illinois Lineman Visits Vandy
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=322641&nid=1174355&fhn=1 

FIELD HOCKEY

     Candice Cooper Earns Pair of All-America Honors
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-fieldh/spec-rel/112304aaa.html 

SWIMMING

     Matt Grevers Named Big Ten Swimmer of the Week
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/112304aab.html 
     + Also wins NCSW Honors
      http://www.collegeswimming.com/index.php?show=view_news&id=407 

VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats Finish Season at Indiana and Purdue This Weekend
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/112304aac.html 

MISCELLANY

     Mandel: Bowling Green playing odd role in BCS; Boise St. has officials on
alert
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/stewart_mandel/11/23/mailbag/index
.html 

     For Termy: The Cubbies have a new broadcast team
     'It's the best play-by-play job in sports'
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intid=38315151 

     Lincicome: An entrance exam for Buffs' next AD
 
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/sports_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_83_3
351194,00.html 

     and The Coaching Merry-go-round:
     Guenther should look Long in search
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38315205 
     + Iowa's Ferentz signs extension through 2012
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38315154 
     + Spurrier era begins at S. Carolina
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38315156 
     + Wildcats' Walker not the restless type
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041123nu,1,1892420.sto
ry?coll=cs-college-headlines 

Alumni

     Luke Donald: Donald recovering from World Cup predicament
      http://www.golfweek.com/articles/2004/pro/pga/41046.asp 
     More stories on the World Cup
     England wins World Cup
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/4030417.stm 
     + Casey finds peace of mind
      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,378-1369586,00.html 
     + English pair find perfect plan
      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,378-1365900,00.html 
     + British brilliance
      http://www.golfweek.com/articles/2004/pro/world/41024.asp 

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From TyJLevine at aol.com  Wed Nov 24 11:29:45 2004
From: TyJLevine at aol.com (TyJLevine@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 24 11:31:23 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
Message-ID: <89.1a968aef.2ed61f09@aol.com>

Two things that have not been discussed much as of late are:

1. No one compares Walker to Ferentz.  Iowa hasn't exactly finished in the 
top three in Big Ten Recruiting over the past few years but look at the job he 
has done.  I would imagine that the players are fairly comparable coming out of 
high school.  Maybe Iowa gets a few more highly rated prospects but not like 
Michigan or Ohio State.

2.  With Turner's firing what kind of impact is it having on our recruiting?  
When Tepper was let go Barney got a lot of top kids in Illinois that year.  
Unfortunately most did not pan out - Tom O'Brien comes to mind immediately.  I 
think this is a critical recruiting year for Walker in that he needs to show 
he can bring in a class that has both depth and talent.


In a message dated 11/24/2004 9:09:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
jleonard518@yahoo.com writes:
With all due respect to potential back-to-back bowl games (IF we beat Hawaii),
I think we'd fair well if Walker got poached. He's done some very good things
at NU, but he hasn't exactly set the coaching world on fire. 

I think he's a good "program manager" kind of coach (he runs the program 
well),
but not a great recruiter or great game day coach. 

Since it is the season of wish lists, just for fun:

1) Ron Vanderlinden
2) Bob Davie
3) Ron Zook 

Penn State could be ready for a shake-up as they prepare for Paterno's
departure (this year or next). The other two have something left to prove. 

Bored as I wait to leave for the airport,
-Jim
From CHerron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 24 11:37:28 2004
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 24 11:41:25 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
Message-ID: <64550E6A.46A9C90C.0A143833@aol.com>

My wish list:

- Urban Meyer, Utah (OK, not realistic)

- Mike Leach, Texas Tech    37-25 and a Law degree from Pepperdine.  Also, Pappy Waldorf came from down in that direction.

Randy Edsall, UConn    He can win at UConn, he must be good

Dan Hawkins, Boise State   43-6 at Boise, and he quotes Gandhi

Paul Johnson, Navy    He wins at Navy, he must be good

Greg Brandon, Bowling Green    Beat us in Detroit, assisted GB here, played for GB at Air Academy in Colorado Springs (excellent pedigree)

Brett Bielema, Wisconsin DC  Made Wisconsin best D in the league, took K State D to best in the nation.

Norm Chow, USC OC   Offensive Genius


Chuck Herron    Tech '85

From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Nov 24 12:12:18 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 24 12:16:15 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
Message-ID: <1f1.2f4da87a.2ed62902@aol.com>

Interesting list.  The key question to ask is who has ties to Mark  Murphy 
(and/or Henry Bienen, as Presidents sometimes weigh in).  I have no  doubt that 
he would prefer to choose someone he knows.  Most AD's  do.  
 
Paul Levinosn
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 24 12:23:19 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 24 12:25:39 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200411241603.iAOG3Unn001722@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c4d252$acda10a0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I know some are drooling at the idea RW leaving for "greener" pastures. I wonder
what he'd do with a wide open recruiting field [no academic restrictions],
but...

All of the "top targets" are used to getting almost anyone they want into their
school. Like it or not, our talent pool is about 25% of the rest of the world
with the exception of Stanford, Rice, Duke, Vandy etc. 

Many coaches would only take on NU as a stepping stone [like Gary B probably
did] and would be gone with the first offer at a "normal" school. The resultant
churn would put the Cats back in the dumper for several years while the new guy
recruited, then left after one good year. RW, for all his imagined faults, seems
to like coaching at NU. 

He's comfortable with the recruiting limits and can also apply his restrictions
with the kids he recruits because the football team are HIS kids. We don't get
the mass numbers of gangstas and trouble makers that other programs with a
winning record seem to attract. Randy will pass on a kid who may have talent and
grades, but is rude to his parents, or otherwise seems to be a potential
problem.

It does restrict the number of 5 star athletes, but we certainly have fewer
police blotter reports. [Yes, we do have our share of problems but not the
blatant theft and assult charges that continually swirl around the other big
programs].

But I think the entire thing is moot.

RW appears to like working with Mark Murphy and Murphy seems to like the way RW
runs the program.

The biggest issue at Northwestern Athletics is how to get attendance up, and a
stable atmosphere, and continued close, exciting games will eventually attract
the curious. Now if we could just get the 5,000 screaming students at every
game...

Go Cats - Hose Hawaii

rsl



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:04 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving? (fwd)
> 
> 
> > How would everyone feel if he got a better offer and took it?
> 
> I think frustrated is the word that comes to mind.  We suffer 
> through the Wheeler incident, which appears to have set NU 
> back about two years, 
> and just when it appears that most folks have decided RW can actually 
> coach football we could lose him.
> 
> We'll never be a 'destination' school for a coach, it 
> appears.  But there are precious few of those.  Who would 
> have thought Alabama wasn't one of them?
> 
> The ultimate painful irony would be if Colorado fires Barnett 
> (the AD resigned under pressure this week and there are 
> rumors of a slush fund involving Barnett) and CU goes after RW.
> --
> Mike Nolan
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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Wed Nov 24 12:44:27 2004
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Wed Nov 24 12:45:21 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)
In-Reply-To: <004301c4d238$d44798c0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <200411241845.iAOIjJZE032748@gw.tssi.com>

The blowouts weren't all early.  Fresno was only a couple of weeks ago and
Boise was about a month ago.  They do play better at home but if we keep our
head in the game, we should beat these guys.

Mark
Mark S. Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com
 
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Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:18 AM
To: CHerron604@aol.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue to Sun Bowl)

Good analysis

The only caveat I'd add is that NU's big O-line has had trouble with smaller
defensives if they are quick. I'm not sure if they are.

One of the other things to remember is that Hawaii has not had all of their
original starting front 7 defenders all year. They are starting to get some
of
the them back and they're itching to make big plays.

Their stats are all skewed by a couple of blowouts early, as I remember
they've
played a few decent games lately.

They play a lot better at home, where the temp is higher, and the time is
late
for the "mainland" teams.

We should have no trouble with these guys, altho Chang has something to
prove.

Anyway, you've done half my pregame intel report work - I'll give you
credit.
Thanks

Go Cats - rack the rainbows

rsl

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> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of CHerron604@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:03 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Overconfidence? (used to be Purdue 
> to Sun Bowl)
> 
> 
> Some facts I ran across about Northwestern vs. Hawaii
> 
> - Their O-line - 285 pounds per man.  Our D-line - 294 pounds per man.
> 
> - Our O-line - 312 pounds per man.  Their D-line - 281 pounds per man.
> 
> Our D-line ought to be able to move their O-line, and keep 
> alot of pressure 
> on Mr. Chang.
> 
> Our O-line should push around their D-line, and open up some 
> hughr holes for 
> Noah.
> 
> Hawaii has the 4th Passing Offense nationally, 318 yds/game - 
> 11.4 yds per 
> passing attempt
> 
> Our passing offense is a surprisingly good 45th nationally.  
> 230 yards per 
> game, and about 11.0 yards per passing attempt
> 
> Our rushing game is an equally nice (and balanced) 46th 
> nationally, 168.1 
> yards/game.
> 
> Hawaii is awful running the ball - 111th nationally, only 95 
> yards per game.
> 
> We are 64th nationally in total defense - giving up 381 yards 
> per game.  
> Works out to about 4.99 yards per play, and we have yielded 
> 37 touchdowns.
> 
> Hawaii is an awful 112th nationally in total defense, giving 
> up 462 yards per 
> game, 5.97 yards per play.  They have yielded 50 touchdowns already.
> 
> They have been shredded by some teams, especially running the 
> ball.  Rice 
> outrushed them 405 yards to 7.  Ed Bailey was their leading 
> rusher in that game - 
> 37 carries for 234 yards (6.3 y/c).  On the season, he has 
> rushed 185 times 
> for 881 yards, 4.76 yards per carry.
> 
> San Jose State (2-8) outrushed them 315-108.  That one game 
> accounted for 20% 
> of San Jose's total season rushing yards.
> 
> Boise State carried it 50 times for 430 yards - 18% of their 
> 2383 yard 
> rushing this year
> 
> Louisiana Tech (5-6) outrushed them 275 to 86.
> 
> Fresno outrushed them 503 to 106.  The 503 yards are 23% of 
> their seasons 
> total of 2195 yards.
> 
> On offense, we need to pound the ball, maybe put up 400-500 
> yards rushing.  
> Keep the ball out of Timmy Chang's hands.  Pass it around 
> some, to keep them 
> honest, but NO dumb interceptions (late first half 
> interceptions gave new life 
> to both Penn State and Illinois in recent weeks).
> 
> All year long, we have driven the ball downfield, only to 
> settle for a field 
> goal (or a missed field goal).  If we kill 5 minutes driving, 
> but settle for 3 
> points, and Hawaii throws a bomb for 7, that hasn't helped 
> anything.  When we 
> are in the red zone, PUT THE BALL IN THE END ZONE.
> 
> On defense, push their line around, keep up the pressure on 
> their QB, don't 
> get beat long.
> 
> On special teams - COVER OUR KICKS.  Twice against Illinois (1st half 
> touchdown and the Backes touchdown), Illinois had massive 
> returns that set up a 
> touchdown, and almost the game winning field goal.  Have we 
> reached the point where 
> we kick it out of bounds, so they start at the 35 and not mid-field ?
> 
> AND NO MORE DUMB PENALTIES !
> 
> I wuld prefer that the legacy of the Walker years not be 
> mid-level bowls, 
> league-high penalty totals, slow season starts, inconsistent 
> kicking games, and 
> playing down to the opponents level.
> 
> Can anybody remember the last time we outplayed and put away 
> a double-digit 
> underdog, rested the starters for 10-15 minutes and got the 
> younger guys some 
> playing time ?
> 
> Chuck Herron  Tech '85
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From neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com  Wed Nov 24 12:04:47 2004
From: neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com (Kaplan, Neil)
Date: Wed Nov 24 13:14:59 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
Message-ID: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB06716C31@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>

To me the long term coach for us is a no brainer -  Pat Fitzgerald;
he needs a few more years to get to a DC level then I would hope he stays
with us for a long time as HC

if you saw the game last week and saw the vignettes with him talking about
breaking down film, you had to be impressed by his enthusiasm, kindness to
support staff and overall purple pride.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:37 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] RW leaving?


My wish list:

- Urban Meyer, Utah (OK, not realistic)

- Mike Leach, Texas Tech    37-25 and a Law degree from Pepperdine.  Also,
Pappy Waldorf came from down in that direction.

Randy Edsall, UConn    He can win at UConn, he must be good

Dan Hawkins, Boise State   43-6 at Boise, and he quotes Gandhi

Paul Johnson, Navy    He wins at Navy, he must be good

Greg Brandon, Bowling Green    Beat us in Detroit, assisted GB here, played
for GB at Air Academy in Colorado Springs (excellent pedigree)

Brett Bielema, Wisconsin DC  Made Wisconsin best D in the league, took K
State D to best in the nation.

Norm Chow, USC OC   Offensive Genius


Chuck Herron    Tech '85

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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Wed Nov 24 13:20:45 2004
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Wed Nov 24 13:34:33 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Some Misc. NU News
Message-ID: <20041124.112127.2739.145611@webmail24.nyc.untd.com>


Some Northwestern news I found on news.google.com:

Q&A with Joe Hietpas
http://mets.scout.com/2/322186.html

Harvard, Texas, Texas A&M, Michigan '04 Gains Exceed 20 Percent 
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aq4uwJJZxkBk&refer=us
This is the first endowment study I have ever seen with University of Texas, UC Berkely, and University of Michgian with more endowment money.  Out of the top 25 we have better football teams than everyone except for those 3 and USC(ranked #25).

Head games
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/10250860.htm
Semi-sports related, but definitely a Northwestern connection.

President joins college heads making over $500k
http://www.ccchronicle.com/back_new/2004_fall/2004-11-22/campus.php?id=313
Want to know what Bienen is making?

CU gives Barnett $200,000 a year to operate program
http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3336898,00.html


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From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Wed Nov 24 15:54:49 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov 24 16:08:38 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
In-Reply-To: <20041124165708.70108.qmail@web53810.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1df.2f684901.2ed60d2f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <l03130301bdcaacf55f5d@[66.170.160.163]>

>With all due respect to potential back-to-back bowl games (IF we beat Hawaii),
>I think we'd fair well if Walker got poached. He's done some very good things
>at NU, but he hasn't exactly set the coaching world on fire.
>
Ugh - have we entered some parallel universe? Or crossed posts with the
Husker list, where 9 wins = fired coach (and a lot of good that did 'em!)?

To answer the initial question -- I'd be disappointed if RW left because I
really don't think he's looking to leave. And if he was driven out, I'd be
furious. Losing a head coach would set us back to square one (well, maybe
we've progressed to square two) and we'd have to find someone to come in
and build a program from the bottom up. It'd hurt our recruiting (at least
RW wouldn't sabotage two years like GB did when job hunting), it'd hurt
with adjustments to the new style for the team and since it seems that we
have a growingly impatient alumni base, we'd likely repeat the process in
another 5 years. Unless we hired a miracle worker, in which case he'd bolt
for a bigger school. That's one thing to like about Walker -- he's not
looking to jump up to a bigger program, and that's what you need to build a
program.

Oh well ... in the spirit of speculation with bowls and all, to answer
other posts ...

Take Barnett back? NO WAY. I wouldn't go the Tony Soprano route and say
"he's dead to me," but I would as soon never see him in Evanston again. No
ill will, just a clean break.

I do have one suggestion, but first to some others ...

>1) Ron Vanderlinden

Nah ... he wasn't so hot at Maryland with lax recruiting standards. I think
he's one of those Lou Tepper-type guys who's a great DC but not a head
coach.

>2) Bob Davie

You gotta be kidding! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

>3) Ron Zook

Please! This guy is a mini-Mack Brown ... he recruited great and brought in
tremendous athletes in Gainesville (with superlax standards) and could do
nothing with them. His teams lacked discipline, lacked cohesiveness and
lacked any sort of a brain ... on the field or from the man on the
sidelines.

>- Urban Meyer, Utah (OK, not realistic)
>
Hah.:) Yeah - not realistic ... plus, he's one of those program-hoppers. If
he leaves BGSU and Utah within 3 years, I wouldn't trust him to stay
anywhere too long.

>- Mike Leach, Texas Tech    37-25 and a Law degree from Pepperdine.  Also,
>Pappy Waldorf came from down in that direction.

Does he throw chairs?:)

>Randy Edsall, UConn    He can win at UConn, he must be good

Don't laugh ... with BC leaving, UConn is set to really contend for a BCS
bid every year. They built a new stadium, have rabid fans for hoops that
would love to do something between basketball season and it's a pretty good
situation he won't be leaving soon.

>Dan Hawkins, Boise State   43-6 at Boise, and he quotes Gandhi

Only if he brings purple turf!
>
>Greg Brandon, Bowling Green    Beat us in Detroit, assisted GB here,
>played for GB at Air Academy in Colorado Springs (excellent pedigree)

But we already have a MAC coach who beat us ... why change now?
>
>Brett Bielema, Wisconsin DC  Made Wisconsin best D in the league, took K
>State D to best in the nation.

Methinks he's not leaving Madison, as Barry's hand-picked successor.

Also, that vaunted, trash-talking defense really tanked it the last two
games. I wouldn't call them the best in the league (Penn State's is, IMO,
and they're all back next year -- if they even have a somewhat competent
offense, JoePa could go out strong).

>Norm Chow, USC OC   Offensive Genius

True - but he's even more reaching than Urban Meyer.

Now if we lost Randy to another school and we had to pick, I do like this
idea ...

>To me the long term coach for us is a no brainer -  Pat Fitzgerald;
>he needs a few more years to get to a DC level then I would hope he stays
>with us for a long time as HC

Yeah - I'd love to see him work his way up within the NU coaching system
and eventually take over in a smooth transition. That would be great for NU
and for Fitz.

And my suggestion ...

Ty Willingham. The Domers won't put up with non-BCS bowls for long. He's a
great motivator and gameplanner, he comes from Stanford and is used to an
NU-type environment and he wouldn't really looking to move for awhile after
getting axed from ND. This way he gets to stay in Chicagoland and he
instantly increases our local presence since he's been all over Chicago
media with ND.

But like I said, I really don't see Walker leaving and I'd be extermely
disappointed in NU if he were forced out after what he's done here the last
five years.

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!

One more post ...

>1. No one compares Walker to Ferentz.  Iowa hasn't exactly finished in the
>top three in Big Ten Recruiting over the past few years but look at the
>job he
>has done.  I would imagine that the players are fairly comparable coming
>out of
>high school.  Maybe Iowa gets a few more highly rated prospects but not like
>Michigan or Ohio State.

I think you're underrating Iowa ... after the Big Two, they're really #3 in
the Big Ten. Purdue and Wisconsin have been charging strong recently and
PSU still has a name, but Iowa was good under Hayden and only skipped a
couple years when Ferentz took over. They have the tradition and get better
recruits than most Big Ten schools. Their one knock is that everyone seemed
to think Ferentz was leaving soon, but this new contract should put those
to rest. After getting to January bowls the last three years with three
different backfields each year, it's apparent that 1) he's a heck of a
coach and 2) Iowa's not exactly bare in the cupboard when their star
players leave.

>2.  With Turner's firing what kind of impact is it having on our recruiting?
>When Tepper was let go Barney got a lot of top kids in Illinois that year.
>Unfortunately most did not pan out - Tom O'Brien comes to mind
>immediately.  I
>think this is a critical recruiting year for Walker in that he needs to show
>he can bring in a class that has both depth and talent.

I think it helps a little (we'll certainly have more scholarships this year
than last to give out) ... but Illinois and NU usually aren't going after
the same group of kids. When Illinois has turnover, the biggest
beneficiaries always seem to be Wisconsin and Michigan (though Michigan
beats Illinois anyway -- they just have an even easier time). NU's much
more national (Illinois is tops, but Texas, Michigan, Ohio and even
California aren't far behind).

The Illini situation does deserve watching, though. This could be a turning
point for them -- do they go the Indiana route and just forget about
football in favor of hoops? Or do they get serious and finally awaken a
dormant program. This is a school with a supposed (but rarely realized)
pipeline to Chicago for talent and facilities that were significantly
upgraded when the Bears came to town -- they should be among the Big Ten
powers. But I'm not sure they can attract a big-name coach at this point in
time. We'll see.


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From NUMBalum78 at aol.com  Wed Nov 24 16:44:18 2004
From: NUMBalum78 at aol.com (NUMBalum78@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 24 16:48:16 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Marching Band "Hail to Purple" CD 
Message-ID: <b9.4ba6bd99.2ed668c2@aol.com>

For those of you who are interested in the new "Hail to Purple" CD, ordering 
instructions appear below.  In addition to the mail-in orders described below, 
we also hope to have online ordering capability set up within the next two 
weeks.  We'll let you know when this is up and running.  

"HAIL TO PURPLE" 
Northwestern University "Wildcat" Marching Band  

The NUMBALUMS have released a new CD entitled "Hail to Purple."  This CD is a 
50-year retrospective of the very best recordings from the NU Marching Band 
archives.  The performances and sound quality are outstanding.  Many of the 
selections are unpublished, and unique to Northwestern.  We have included 
numerous live performances and a great deal of previously unreleased material.  The 
CD is over 70 minutes in length.  We have also included an extensive, 30-page 
booklet highlighting the history of the Northwestern University "Wildcat" 
Marching Band. 
 
In short:    anyone who bleeds purple is going to LOVE this CD! 
 
 
HOW TO ORDER: 
 
The cost of each CD is $16.  Shipping/handling is $4 in the continental US, 
and $5 elsewhere for each shipment to the same address, no matter how many CDs 
you order.  
 
To order, send a letter indicating how many CDs you would like to purchase, 
be sure to add the appropriate shipping fee, and include a check payable to:   
"Northwestern University - NUMBALUMS".  Be sure to print or type your shipping 
address CLEARLY in your letter. 
 
Send your order to: 
 
NUMBALUMS CD ORDER 
Attn:   Kathy Quinlan 
Northwestern Alumni Association 
1800 Sheridan Road 
Evanston, IL   60208 
 
 
You can also purchase copies directly from local Evanston retailers such as 
Let's Tailgate and the Norris Bookstore.  The CD can also be purchased at the 
front desk of the Alumni Association during normal working hours. 
 
If it seems like we're proud of this CD, well, we are.  It's an incredible 
testament to the quality and virtuosity of the NU Marching Band over the last 50 
years.  Best of all, NUMBALUMS donations have paid for nearly all of the 
production cost of the CD, so all revenues will be used by the NUMBALUMS for 
special projects that benefit the NU bands.  
 
Sincerely, 

The NUMBALUMS 
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 24 17:08:24 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 24 17:10:42 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Some Misc. NU News
In-Reply-To: <20041124.112127.2739.145611@webmail24.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <005501c4d27a$80246b50$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>



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> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [NU Sports] Some Misc. NU News
> 
> 
> 
> Some Northwestern news I found on news.google.com:
> 

Just what I need - another news source <g>


> Q&A with Joe Hietpas
> http://mets.scout.com/2/322186.html
> 
And this one is on my Purple Reign network! - I'm getting the link setup fixed

> Harvard, Texas, Texas A&M, Michigan '04 Gains Exceed 20 Percent 
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aq4uwJJZxk
Bk&refer=us

And there's more below...NOT!

This is the first endowment study I have ever seen with University of Texas, UC
Berkely, and University of Michgian with more endowment money.  Out of the top
25 we have better football teams than everyone except for those 3 and USC(ranked
#25).

Head games
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/10250860.htm
Semi-sports related, but definitely a Northwestern connection.

President joins college heads making over $500k
http://www.ccchronicle.com/back_new/2004_fall/2004-11-22/campus.php?id=313
Want to know what Bienen is making?

CU gives Barnett $200,000 a year to operate program
http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3336898,00.html


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From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Wed Nov 24 18:43:14 2004
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 24 18:44:30 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
Message-ID: <13e.710596f.2ed684a2@aol.com>

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYONE
But Hell no get rid of Walker..............
I remember the years when the wildcats couldnt compete on the field...........
They play their hearts out every game and Randy Walker has alot to do with 
that.......
RW has overcome alot since he has been at NU, and taking them to his 3rd bowl 
game this year.............

I cant say I hate Gary Barnett either, he turned the program around........
He was the man......
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 24 19:58:15 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Wed Nov 24 20:02:10 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
References: <64550E6A.46A9C90C.0A143833@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41A53C37.6080902@earthlink.net>

As much as I think many on the list below are deserving (and Dan Hawkins 
strikes me as someone who'd be excellent), I hope RW stays for as long 
as possible, and I hope Pat Fitzgerald stays with him until he is ready 
to take over.  -- Jim B.

CHerron604@aol.com wrote:

>My wish list:
>
>- Urban Meyer, Utah (OK, not realistic)
>
>- Mike Leach, Texas Tech    37-25 and a Law degree from Pepperdine.  Also, Pappy Waldorf came from down in that direction.
>
>Randy Edsall, UConn    He can win at UConn, he must be good
>
>Dan Hawkins, Boise State   43-6 at Boise, and he quotes Gandhi
>
>Paul Johnson, Navy    He wins at Navy, he must be good
>
>Greg Brandon, Bowling Green    Beat us in Detroit, assisted GB here, played for GB at Air Academy in Colorado Springs (excellent pedigree)
>
>Brett Bielema, Wisconsin DC  Made Wisconsin best D in the league, took K State D to best in the nation.
>
>Norm Chow, USC OC   Offensive Genius
>
>  
>



From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Wed Nov 24 20:20:05 2004
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter Warner)
Date: Wed Nov 24 20:21:27 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
Message-ID: <200411250221.iAP2LOZE006232@gw.tssi.com>

The Wheeler case is still pending.  RW is still a defendant.  Wheeler's
mother seems h*ll-bent on seeing the case through trial.  How desirable to
another school is RW with the possibility of him being found by a jury
within the next couple of years to be responsible in whole or in part for
Wheeler's death and the negative publicity that will follow?


From bondscoop at megapathdsl.net  Wed Nov 24 20:36:41 2004
From: bondscoop at megapathdsl.net (Michael Jackson)
Date: Wed Nov 24 20:40:14 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: RW leaving
Message-ID: <001001c4d297$9cbc0940$0302a8c0@Mike>

I find it very interesting that we are having this discussion now.  It
wasn't very long ago when the list was arguing about whether or not RW
should stay for another year.  Has so much changed because of a few
games?  RW is still the same coach he was earlier in the year.  The team
plays as hard as it did earlier this season.  Would we be discussing
RW's future differently if the team had lost all the overtime games?  We
should enjoy the fact that we have a coach who can achieve success at
NU.  It wasn't long ago when that possibility was very remote.  Enjoy
what we have and root for the Cats this weekend.  
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 24 20:51:14 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Nov 24 20:53:33 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
In-Reply-To: <41A53C37.6080902@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005901c4d299$a181bcc0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Amen

And Happy Thanksgiving to you all, in all the original spirit of George
Washington's first proclaimation!

Go Cats - Give us another reason to be thankful Next Sunday Morning!


rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bendat
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:58 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
> 
> 
> As much as I think many on the list below are deserving (and 
> Dan Hawkins 
> strikes me as someone who'd be excellent), I hope RW stays 
> for as long 
> as possible, and I hope Pat Fitzgerald stays with him until 
> he is ready 
> to take over.  -- Jim B.
> 
> CHerron604@aol.com wrote:
> 
> >My wish list:
> >
> >- Urban Meyer, Utah (OK, not realistic)
> >
> >- Mike Leach, Texas Tech    37-25 and a Law degree from 
> Pepperdine.  Also, Pappy Waldorf came from down in that direction.
> >
> >Randy Edsall, UConn    He can win at UConn, he must be good
> >
> >Dan Hawkins, Boise State   43-6 at Boise, and he quotes Gandhi
> >
> >Paul Johnson, Navy    He wins at Navy, he must be good
> >
> >Greg Brandon, Bowling Green    Beat us in Detroit, assisted 
> GB here, played for GB at Air Academy in Colorado Springs 
> (excellent pedigree)
> >
> >Brett Bielema, Wisconsin DC  Made Wisconsin best D in the 
> league, took 
> >K State D to best in the nation.
> >
> >Norm Chow, USC OC   Offensive Genius
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
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From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Wed Nov 24 22:10:58 2004
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris Patterson)
Date: Wed Nov 24 22:13:15 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Bulls, Bears and Wildcats
Message-ID: <00bc01c4d2a4$c4f693a0$7000a8c0@Audubon.local>

Ok, let's digress quickly away from the Chicago sports market and make an
analogy to the financial markets.

 

During a Bull market, stocks don't go straight up, but rather have periodic
corrections (e.g. Wheeler tragedy, recruiting swings, injuries, etc). NU
football lows haven't been as low when Barnett was still here and now we are
starting to create some traditions (such as having a 1000 yard rusher every
year, a never quit reputation, always protecting the ball, solid
linebackers, etc.). Creating positive traditions takes years.

 

Also, analyst sentiment (the bull/bear ratio) changes during the bull
market, going from very bearish (start of a bull market) to very bullish
(when it's peaked). 

 

I think there are some similarities in an athletic program becoming more
competitive and winning more. Clearly, we still have a few bears left on the
list, but I expect that is normal. Personally, I hope this bull market lasts
a long time and I'm willing to hold on through the corrections. No
correction desired this Saturday though.

 

My hat is off to Walker.extend his contract.

 

Go CATS! Come out clawing Sat.!

 

Chris Patterson

Knoxville, TN

Tech '81

 

 

PS. The WILDCATS are a description unto themselves. They haven't stampeded
to victory, but they clearly haven't hibernated either. Something that ties
cardiac resuscitation and nine lives together would adequately describe this
team. I guess a "Wild-Cat" is fitting. J

From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Wed Nov 24 23:20:03 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov 24 23:25:47 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
Message-ID: <l03130306bdcae68de81d@[66.170.160.163]>

My week 13 picks are up on the site -- if you haven't sent yours in yet,
remember that I need 'em by NOON tomorrow.

A six-win week for most of us, though the some folks were aided by an
unusual trio of upset specials that came through -- OSU over Michigan, PSU
over Michigan State and Florida over FSU.

If you have any questions on the list below, e-mail me. To the big board ...

KEY: US = Upset Special picks  ///  WP = Weeks played
                                                    -- US --
LW TW  Name                  Wk 11  Overall  Pct.   TW  Ovrl WP
###############################################################
 1  1) Chuck Herron           7-3   114-31   .786    0    1  12
 1  1) Marilyn Zilka          7-3   114-31   .786    0    3  12
 3  3) Matt Barnard           7-3   112-33   .772    0    0  12
 4  4) Brad Wilson            6-4   109-36   .752    1    3  12
 5  5) John Labbe             6-4   100-35   .741    1    6  11
 6  6) Bob Schooler           6-4   107-38   .738    1    4  12
 6  7) Eric Steffe            5-5   106-39   .731    0    2  12
13  8) Mark Ament             8-2   105-40   .724    1    4  12
 8  8) Trey McAdams           6-4   105-40   .724    1    6  12
12 10) Ryan Farney            7-3    94-36   .723    0    0  11
 8 10) Harlan Heiber          6-4    94-36   .723    0    3  11
 8 12) Roger Bradshaw         5-5   104-41   .717    0    2  12
11 12) Alan Wolfson           6-4   104-41   .717    0    2  12
13 14) John Luken             5-5   102-43   .703    1    5  12
13 14) Samuel Wolfson         5-5   102-43   .703    1    4  12
17 16) Kelly Sevilla          7-3   100-45   .690    1    6  12
 x 17) Joe Thiegs             4-6    79-36   .687    0    4   9
19 18) Ivars Embrekts         7-3    89-41   .685    1    3  11
17 19) Stephen Truog          6-4    99-46   .683    1    4  12
16 20) Chris Bailey           4-6    78-37   .678    0    1  10
19 21) Jim Bendat             6-4    88-42   .677    2    6  11
23 21) Carl Rossi             7-3    88-42   .677    1   10  11
21 23) Brad May               6-4    98-47   .676    0    5  12
21 24) Thomas Kettler         5-5    97-48   .669    0    4  12
 x 25) Ty Levine              4-6    70-35   .667    0    3   9
25 26) Michael Whelan         6-4    79-41   .658    0    1  10
24 27) Sue O'Connor           5-5    95-50   .655    0    2  12
26 28) Karen Capria           7-3    88-47   .652    0    5  11
27 29) Ace McInturff          6-4    92-53   .634    1    8  12
29 30) John Lieske            5-5    74-46   .617    0    4  10
28 31) Bob Waldele            4-6    89-56   .614    0    4  12
30 32) Jim Leonard            5-5    78-52   .600    1    7  11
31 33) Peg Wolfe              4-6    74-56   .569    1    7  11
32 34) Bill O'Connor          4-6    80-65   .552    0    5  12

Not eligible at this time (must be in 3/4 of the weeks)
-------------------------------------------------------
 x  x) David Warner           ---    71-24   .747    -    2   8
 x  x) David Mikolajczak      7-3    64-31   .674    1    3   8
 x  x) Brian Winkler          4-6    57-33   .633    0    1   8
 x  x) Phredd Groves          ---    52-23   .693    -    6   6
 x  x) Christopher Muzzo      ---    48-17   .738    -    0   5
 x  x) Andrew Hawkins         ---    11- 4   .733    -    0   1
 x  x) Chris Maresco          ---    11- 4   .733    -    0   1
 x  x) Scott Thomasson        ---    11- 4   .733    -    0   1
 x  x) Mike Mann              ---    10- 5   .667    -    1   1
 x  x) Kidcat Dan             ---     9- 6   .600    -    1   1

And the top five contenders for the other awards...

ROB JOHNSON "IRONMAN" AWARD (best of those who have competed every week)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) Chuck Herron          114-31
1) Marilyn Zilka         114-31
3) Matt Barnard          112-33
4) Brad Wilson           109-36
5) Bob Schooler          107-38


STEVE SCHNUR "ACCURACY" AWARD (best percentage - 5 week minimum)
----------------------------------------------------------------
1) Chuck Herron           78.6%
1) Marilyn Zilka          78.6%
3) Matt Barnard           77.2%
4) Brad Wilson            75.2%
5) David Warner           74.7%

PAT FITZGERALD "MOST HITS" AWARD (most correct picks overall)
-------------------------------------------------------------
1) Chuck Herron          114
1) Marilyn Zilka         114
3) Matt Barnard          112
4) Brad Wilson           109
5) Bob Schooler          107

BRIAN MUSSO "GUTS" AWARD (most upset special picks)
---------------------------------------------------
1) Carl Rossi            10
2) Ace McInturff          8
3) Jim Leonard            7
3) Peg Wolfe              7
3) Five tied              6

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 24 17:49:04 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu Nov 25 04:35:23 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
In-Reply-To: <5D23CF7CDF3DA74DA2DB587F621B5FAB06716C31@cdlaex02.carsdirect.win>
Message-ID: <005601c4d280$2eaea1e0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I suspect that should Randy remain at NU, Pat's role will continue to increase. 

However, I don't see Greg Colby leaving any time soon - which puts Fitz in a
glass ceiling situation.

Sorry to say, but Fitz will eventually have to go elsewhere, probably as a DC,
to realize his future potential, and then be able to return to NU down the road.

The best scenario is Walker getting an extension, maybe 4 or 5 years. Sometime
in that period, Greg Colby gets an offer he can't refuse to go to some other
program, and Fitz becomes the DC. Then Walker retires and Fitz is elevated to
the top slot.

Here's the problem - Randy Walker is what, 50?

OK, I'm a little older than RW and most of the assistants, and I think about the
same age as Mike Dunbar. If I had to predict,  Mike Dunbar is probably the first
to retire [altho Coach Dunbar, like me thrives on the fun of coaching.] That
doesn't help Fitz at NU.

DC Greg Colby is younger, and [IMHO] has shown that he's a lot better DC than
most thought when he arrived. Amazing what recruiting talent will do. While Fitz
would probably do an outstanding job as an OC, that's not his primary interest.

Fitz could become a long time, NU Head Coach some day. He is an outstanding
recruiter, knows how to break down a ball game, build parts of the defense, and
has the sideline fire to be one of the greats at NU.

My big question is when does some other program grab him, and make him their
own?

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Kaplan, Neil
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:05 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
> 
> 
> To me the long term coach for us is a no brainer -  Pat 
> Fitzgerald; he needs a few more years to get to a DC level 
> then I would hope he stays with us for a long time as HC
> 
> if you saw the game last week and saw the vignettes with him 
> talking about breaking down film, you had to be impressed by 
> his enthusiasm, kindness to support staff and overall purple pride.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CHerron604@aol.com [mailto:CHerron604@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:37 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
> 
> 
> My wish list:
> 
> - Urban Meyer, Utah (OK, not realistic)
> 
> - Mike Leach, Texas Tech    37-25 and a Law degree from 
> Pepperdine.  Also,
> Pappy Waldorf came from down in that direction.
> 
> Randy Edsall, UConn    He can win at UConn, he must be good
> 
> Dan Hawkins, Boise State   43-6 at Boise, and he quotes Gandhi
> 
> Paul Johnson, Navy    He wins at Navy, he must be good
> 
> Greg Brandon, Bowling Green    Beat us in Detroit, assisted 
> GB here, played
> for GB at Air Academy in Colorado Springs (excellent pedigree)
> 
> Brett Bielema, Wisconsin DC  Made Wisconsin best D in the 
> league, took K State D to best in the nation.
> 
> Norm Chow, USC OC   Offensive Genius
> 
> 
> Chuck Herron    Tech '85
> 
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From michael.vance at att.net  Thu Nov 25 20:53:54 2004
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Thu Nov 25 20:54:48 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Answer me this about the BCS...
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20041125213209.03638198@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

OK, this year we're faced with the very real possibility of three teams 
from BCS conferences finishing the regular season undefeated, to say 
nothing of Utah and Boise State.  So Auburn fans (and Oklahoma haters) are 
in a tizzy because Auburn might not get a shot at a national title despite 
a perfect record and some rather impressive performances.

How many people have stopped to think that the whole purpose of the BCS 
rankings was to break a tie when two (or more) teams with otherwise 
identical records were vying for one (or both) of the slots in the national 
title game?  Really, that's what it comes down to.  They've had to add 
rules to deal with highly-ranked teams that didn't win their conference 
(e.g., Cal) or that aren't from BCS conferences, but essentially, that's 
what the rankings are for: To answer the question of who plays in the title 
game when it's not necessarily obvious?

It hasn't always worked in the eyes of some (Nebraska '00, Oklahoma '03), 
but that is the point.  And it begs the question, if you're an Auburn fan 
and you feel the Tigers are being cheated by the system (which you wouldn't 
if your team and Oklahoma switched spots), what do you propose as an 
alternative?  Or are you just bitching to hear yourselves bitch?  If there 
are three 11-0 teams (or one 11-0 and two or more 10-1), only two can play 
the NC game, and there has to be a system for deciding which ones.

I don't want to get into a discussion of whether the BCS as a whole is an 
unholy alliance that has sullied the grand tradition of college 
football.  I also don't particularly want to get into whether the current 
formula finally has the balance between polls and computer rankings right, 
but that's a little more open.  I'm just talking about the question of, if 
not an established pre-set formula that ranks the teams, what do you use?

Any thoughts?

BTW, read this week's mailbag column from NU's own Stewart Mandel for some 
interesting info on how Auburn's non-conf schedule got so soft this year: 
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpdWp0ZTJpBF9TAzk1ODYyMzAwBHNlYwNvZQ--?slug=cnnsi-schedulingscrew&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns


Michael, CAS '91
mailto:michael@vance.com

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Nov 26 06:10:13 2004
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 26 06:14:12 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Answer me this about the BCS...
Message-ID: <1b8.71c899e.2ed87725@aol.com>

 
It is really simple.  One playoff game the dead week before the super  bowl 
by the so called co-national champions.  Would LSU and USC really have  had a 
problem playing each other last year.  More reasons:
? Decides the better team in head-to-head competition.
? Would be easy  to implement using the current system of Bowl games.
? Would create a lot of  interest and excitement in post-season play.
? Would eliminate, or at least  limit, doubt or controversy.
? The majority of fans seem to want it.
? A  playoff system seems to work just fine in I-AA, II and III.
? It's the only  fair way to decide who the best team is.
? Adding another Bowl game to hold a  true national championship game would 
generate millions of dollars.

what do  you propose as an 
alternative?  Or are you just bitching to hear  yourselves bitch?  If there 
are three 11-0 teams (or one 11-0 and two  or more 10-1), only two can play 
the NC game, and there has to be a system  for deciding which ones.





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 26 07:43:22 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 26 07:45:37 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Answer me this about the BCS...
In-Reply-To: <1b8.71c899e.2ed87725@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000401c4d3bd$e5f365f0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Sounds like a playoff to me...

Go Cats

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of MHRJGScott@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:10 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Answer me this about the BCS...
> 
> 
>  
> It is really simple.  One playoff game the dead week before 
> the super  bowl 
> by the so called co-national champions.  Would LSU and USC 
> really have  had a 
> problem playing each other last year.  More reasons:
> . Decides the better team in head-to-head competition.
> . Would be easy  to implement using the current system of 
> Bowl games. . Would create a lot of  interest and excitement 
> in post-season play. . Would eliminate, or at least  limit, 
> doubt or controversy. . The majority of fans seem to want it. 
> . A  playoff system seems to work just fine in I-AA, II and 
> III. . It's the only  fair way to decide who the best team 
> is. . Adding another Bowl game to hold a  true national 
> championship game would 
> generate millions of dollars.
> 
> what do  you propose as an 
> alternative?  Or are you just bitching to hear  yourselves 
> bitch?  If there 
> are three 11-0 teams (or one 11-0 and two  or more 10-1), 
> only two can play 
> the NC game, and there has to be a system  for deciding which ones.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Nov 26 10:01:27 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 26 10:02:51 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] RW leaving?
Message-ID: <1a3.2c13c208.2ed8ad57@aol.com>

If Fitz is as great as everyone (probably justifiably) believes, and given 
that his has the perfect NU pedigree, then the question becomes what is his 
relationship with Mark Murphy and also RW.  Does Murph view him as Head Coach 
material, and does he see him now as one of "his guys" for the long term.  And 
assuming Coach Walker would like to finish his career at NU (and frankly, other 
than the OSU job, since he is from the Buckeye state and has already coached at 
his alma mater,  I can't see RW going anywhere else unless pushed there), is 
he prepared to groom Fitz as his eventual successor?  Perhaps RW, having had 
his encounter with coronary issues, would like to ease up in, say, 5-6 years.  
Then Fitz can step in without missing a beat, unless, as was pointed out, Greg 
Colby is still in place as DC.  But between Murph and RW, one can credibly 
assume that they might be able to place Colby in a more high-visibility program, 
assuming he, too, has Head Coaching aspirations, so that Fitz can move up 
some time in the next few years.  Of course,  none of us know the interpersonal 
dynamics between these 4 individuals, so there is no way to really predict how 
this comes out.  And if President Bienen retires or moves on at any point, 
that, too, becomes a factor, as his replacement may want input in the process.   
What is clear is that Fitz would have amazing credibility among alumni and 
status as a recruiter, given his storied career and "up from his bootstraps" 
successes in spite of the fact he was not heavily recruited or touted.  And I do 
remember a post some time in the past year about what a gracious individual he 
is in a one-on-one basis with children, etc.

Anyway, IMHO, RW is not going anywhere.  Nor should we want him to.  Is he p
erfect?  No.  But would we step back considerably if he left?  You bet.  And 
has his overall approach and game managerment improved?  Yessiree. He clearly 
seems more at peace now when he is interviewed.  Between the Rashidi tragedy and 
his own illness, he seems to have found a different place.   I don't know 
about anybody else, but if we beat Hawaii, finish 7-5 with our tough schedule and 
5-3 in the BT (ahead of you-know-who U.), and then win a bowl game at last, 
I'll be one happy guy.

Happy Thanksgiving, All.

Paul Levinson   
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 26 10:13:10 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 26 10:15:25 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/26
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FOOTBALL

     Northwestern Football in Hawaii
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112504aab.html 
     + Northwestern faces dangerous air attack
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041125nu,1,2285638.sto
ry?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Northwestern letting it ride in Hawaii
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/261sd8.htm 
     + Wildcats bringing new tradition
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/26/sports/story2.html 

     Pregame Intel: The Hawai'i Warriors
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/323158.html 

     Watts: Bowl search leads Cats to paradise
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-25-04-444149.
html 

     Northwestern at Hawaii Late Addition to ESPN GamePlan
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112304aad.html 
     Here's the Link: You can also get it on your computer, but it costs $$
      http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/gameplan/index 

Big 10

     Report: former players back Clarett's allegations
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/25/bc.fbc.ohiost.clarett.
ap/index.html 
     Michigan coach upset about dogs sniffing Wolverines
     players
      http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/wire?messageId=26671343 

Hawaii "Rainbow" Warriors
are all that's left...

     Warriors - Wildcats Face Off for Bowl Bid Saturday Night
      http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/pr.html?prid=13236&p=3 

     Injury list revolving door for Warriors
      http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Nov/24/sp/sp08p.html 

     Jason Rivers: Record-setting Rivers receives WAC honor
      http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Nov/23/sp/sp02p.html 


Men's BASKETBALL

     Wildcats aim to build on success
 
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2004/11/25/sports/college_sports/d5a43a6142e1ff9386
256f57000121e3.txt 

Looking Ahead:

     at Colorado 11/28
     They've been off since 11/18 and a loss to Michigan
     Roby named CU Athlete of the week
 
http://www.cubuffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3889&SPID=257&DB_OEM_ID=600&ATCLID
=88944 

     Virginia 12/1
     Virginia Tops Appalachian State, 77-60
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112404aaa.html 
     + Hoos Shake Mountaineers 77-60
      http://virginia.scout.com/2/322938.html 
     + Virginia looks to ride momentum
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031779327331&path=%21sports 

     Chicago State 12/4
     Men's Basketball Drops Heartbreaker at Texas Southern
      http://www.csu.edu/Athletics/Mbasketballhome.htm 

     DePaul 12/15
     Put-back puts out fire for Demons
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041123depaulgamer,1,72
72462.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Brumfield Put-Back Sends DePaul Past Eastern Illinois
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=2&ID=1924 
     + Jenni Dant Named C-USA Player of the Week
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=8&ID=1920 

     Seton Hall  12/19
     Their next game is Sunday

Women's BASKETBALL

     Ahhh that Home Field Advantage
     Wildcats Tame Broncos 64-60
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/112404aab.html 

     Creighton's three-pointers bury Wildcats in opener
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-25-04-444946.
html 

RECRUITING

     We're one of the two, who else is in contention ?
     Ryan Hamilton Narrows It Down To Two
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=322931&nid=1261740&fhn=1 

     Gets calls from NU all the time
     Chris Jeske Illinois' POY is wide open
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=322987&nid=1092130&fhn=1 

     Ramon Diaz: Joliet Catholic on guard for Morris
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/263sd2.htm 

SOCCER

     Size proves superior to speed
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/ev/11-25-04-444143.
html 

SWIMMING

     Matt Grevers Named National Swimmer of the Week
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/112404aaa.html 
     + Grevers and Carlton Collect Weekly Men's Swimming and Divings Accolades
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/112304aab.html 

MISCELLANY

     New Mexico St. firing leaves just three black coaches
      http://www.foxsports.com/story/3191802 
     Mariotti: How about sports -- with no sideshows
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay25.html 
     The Pass - the Hail Mary - and Doug Flutie...
     Twenty years later, The Pass lives on in NCAA lore
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/25/bc.fbc.flutieanniversa
r.ap/index.html 
     Does this bother you too?
     Clemson tailback has no regrets about brawl
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/25/bc.fbc.clemson.scaroli
na.ap/index.html 

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From pminerva at horizonconsultingservices.net  Fri Nov 26 13:00:07 2004
From: pminerva at horizonconsultingservices.net (Paul Minerva)
Date: Fri Nov 26 13:01:42 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Answer me this about the BCS...
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20041125213209.03638198@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <BAY23-DAV14990F1B41ECD32413CBFAC4BA0@phx.gbl>

The whole purpose of the BCS was to make money.  The clock can't be turned back but the "old" system was better.  College football is not and never should be a professional sport.  At least our school is on the side of academics and a competitive football program.  I hope we never see that attitude change.  There are a lot of casualties with programs that focus soley on the national chamionship--the price in young men's futures is too high.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Vance<mailto:michael.vance@att.net> 
  To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com<mailto:nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 8:53 PM
  Subject: [NU Sports] Answer me this about the BCS...


  OK, this year we're faced with the very real possibility of three teams 
  from BCS conferences finishing the regular season undefeated, to say 
  nothing of Utah and Boise State.  So Auburn fans (and Oklahoma haters) are 
  in a tizzy because Auburn might not get a shot at a national title despite 
  a perfect record and some rather impressive performances.

  How many people have stopped to think that the whole purpose of the BCS 
  rankings was to break a tie when two (or more) teams with otherwise 
  identical records were vying for one (or both) of the slots in the national 
  title game?  Really, that's what it comes down to.  They've had to add 
  rules to deal with highly-ranked teams that didn't win their conference 
  (e.g., Cal) or that aren't from BCS conferences, but essentially, that's 
  what the rankings are for: To answer the question of who plays in the title 
  game when it's not necessarily obvious?

  It hasn't always worked in the eyes of some (Nebraska '00, Oklahoma '03), 
  but that is the point.  And it begs the question, if you're an Auburn fan 
  and you feel the Tigers are being cheated by the system (which you wouldn't 
  if your team and Oklahoma switched spots), what do you propose as an 
  alternative?  Or are you just bitching to hear yourselves bitch?  If there 
  are three 11-0 teams (or one 11-0 and two or more 10-1), only two can play 
  the NC game, and there has to be a system for deciding which ones.

  I don't want to get into a discussion of whether the BCS as a whole is an 
  unholy alliance that has sullied the grand tradition of college 
  football.  I also don't particularly want to get into whether the current 
  formula finally has the balance between polls and computer rankings right, 
  but that's a little more open.  I'm just talking about the question of, if 
  not an established pre-set formula that ranks the teams, what do you use?

  Any thoughts?

  BTW, read this week's mailbag column from NU's own Stewart Mandel for some 
  interesting info on how Auburn's non-conf schedule got so soft this year: 
  http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpdWp0ZTJpBF9TAzk1ODYyMzAwBHNlYwNvZQ--?slug=cnnsi-schedulingscrew&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns<http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpdWp0ZTJpBF9TAzk1ODYyMzAwBHNlYwNvZQ--?slug=cnnsi-schedulingscrew&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns>


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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Nov 26 16:35:53 2004
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 26 16:39:51 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Answer me this about the BCS...
Message-ID: <13f.7495fb5.2ed909c9@aol.com>

 
I couldn't agree more but the system is what it is and you me and all the  
Telanders of the world are not going to change it.  I was founder and  president 
of our sorry NU alumni club here in Orlando for years and the only  time we 
got a big turnout was when the football team was winning championships.  That's 
what the people want.
JG Scott CAS '71 KGSM '84
 
 
 
 
pminerva@horizonconsultingservices.net writes:

The  whole purpose of the BCS was to make money.  The clock can't be turned  
back but the "old" system was better.  College football is not and never  
should be a professional sport.  At least our school is on the side of  academics 
and a competitive football program.  I hope we never see that  attitude 
change.  There are a lot of casualties with programs that focus  soley on the 
national chamionship--the price in young men's futures is too  high.





From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Nov 26 18:45:23 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Nov 26 18:45:25 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Not enough bowl-eligible teams?
Message-ID: <200411270045.iAR0jN2I029545@romaine.tssi.com>

ABC mentioned at one point today that at the moment there aren't enough
bowl-eligible teams to fill all the bowl games.
 
What happens if that's still the case in a week?
 
Would the NCAA:

A.  Tell some bowl games they can't play?  (Yeah, right!)
B.  Declare all 6-6 teams bowl-eligible?  (That might not be enough.)
C.  Allow some teams with a losing record to be bowl-eligible?
D.  Ask Clemson and S. Carolina to reconsider their decision to skip bowls?
 
If (C), how would they decide what teams got bowl bids?  Would they
let the bowls without teams pick teams?
--
Mike Nolan

From JHCCLARK at aol.com  Fri Nov 26 22:05:47 2004
From: JHCCLARK at aol.com (JHCCLARK@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 26 22:09:40 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Not enough bowl-eligible teams?
Message-ID: <1d5.305a95a1.2ed9571b@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/26/2004 8:45:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
nolan@romaine.tssi.com writes:

ABC  mentioned at one point today that at the moment there aren't  enough
bowl-eligible teams to fill all the bowl  games.



Hmm, let's do the math.
 
28 bowls, 56 slots.
 
By the latest count Friday night, there are 54 bowl-eligible teams.   
Arkansas and Nebraska just got dinged, so that leaves the following:
 
Northwestern [6-5] (vs. Hawaii)
Syracuse [5-5] (vs. Boston College)
South Florida [4-5] (vs. Memphis, Pittsburgh)
Southern Miss [5-4] (vs. UAB, California)
TCU [5-5] (vs. Tulane)
Tulane [4-5] (vs. TCU, Louisville)
Hawaii [5-5] (vs. Northwestern, Michigan State)
 
So, either Northwestern or Hawaii MIGHT get a slot, but not both and  
possibly neither (Northwestern loss to Hawaii, Hawaii loss to Michigan  State).
 
 
Either TCU or Tulane MIGHT get a slot, but not both and possibly neither  
(TCU loss to Tulane, Tulane loss to Louisville).
 
Do we see Syracuse beating BC?  Probably not.
 
Do we see South Florida beating both Memphis and Pitt?  Probably  not.
 
Southern Miss beating UAB or Cal?  It's a possibility, but ...
 
A.  So, it is possible that there will be as few as 54 or as many as  59 
teams for 56 slots.  The best guesstimate is 57 (Northwestern, TCU and  Southern 
Miss).  But I can see Northwestern and Southern Miss losing, so  yes, the 
possibility is real that there will only be 55 teams, one short.
 
B.  In jumps the NCAA, and I bet that they will allow a 6-6 team to  fill 
it's conference's contracted bowl slot.  As far as I can tell,  Northwestern, 
Hawaii and Michigan State are the only teams that could/will be  6-6, and all the 
Big Ten spots are taken.  Therefore (and remember, the  scenario only occurs 
if Northwestern loses to Hawaii and Michigan State beats  Hawaii) Hawaii goes 
over NU and MSU to fill the WAC's open slot (which occurs  when the Liberty 
Bowl contractually exercises its option to choose Boise  State to fill Utah's 
spot).
 
C.  But rumor has it that the Potato Bowl in Boise will  exercise ITS option 
not to choose a WAC team if it loses Boise State, so  technically the WAC has 
no open slots.  Then I bet the NCAA will allow  any 6-6 team to be bowl 
eligible, at the choice of the bowl.  I think  Hawaii still gets the nod to fill the 
Hawaii Bowl slot against  UAB.  
 
D.  There would be a big stink if they allowed a 5-6 team to fill it's  
conference's bowl slot.  But that would allow Nebraska back in to keep its  
(then-tainted) bowl streak alive.  Or Maryland, Wake, NC State, Oregon,  Wazzu, 
Arkansas...
 
But realistically, there will be 57 bowl-eligible teams in the end.   So I 
pick "A", Regis, final answer.
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 26 22:31:06 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 26 22:33:15 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Not enough bowl-eligible teams?
In-Reply-To: <200411270045.iAR0jN2I029545@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c4d439$e9ad0030$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Of course all we have to do is win tomorrow and it's a moot point as far as NU
is concerned.

It would be a bite if MSU beat Hawaii next week and got the nod to Nashville
over us because the NCAA changed the rules.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:45 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Not enough bowl-eligible teams?
> 
> 
> ABC mentioned at one point today that at the moment there 
> aren't enough bowl-eligible teams to fill all the bowl games.
>  
> What happens if that's still the case in a week?
>  
> Would the NCAA:
> 
> A.  Tell some bowl games they can't play?  (Yeah, right!)
> B.  Declare all 6-6 teams bowl-eligible?  (That might not be 
> enough.) C.  Allow some teams with a losing record to be 
> bowl-eligible? D.  Ask Clemson and S. Carolina to reconsider 
> their decision to skip bowls?
>  
> If (C), how would they decide what teams got bowl bids?  
> Would they let the bowls without teams pick teams?
> --
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 27 08:45:28 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 27 08:47:48 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/26
Message-ID: <001101c4d48f$becc2c00$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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** Football Saturday Edition **
A rather light list of news as Football gets ready for the Warriors. Basketball
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one, and lots of Miscellany today too...

                                           All the News that Fits We Link
                                          Your Daily Index to News about
                                     Northwestern University Athletics, and more


FOOTBALL

     Northwestern faces dangerous air attack
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041125nu,1,2285638.sto
ry?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + NU's bowl bid on line vs. rock-solid Hawaii
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu27.html 
     + Stakes high for Wildcats tonight
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intid=3831899 
     + Wildcats bringing new tradition
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/26/sports/story2.html 
     + Wildcats and Warriors look to keep bowl hopes alive
 
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/11/25/sports1330EST20
44.DTL 

Big 10

     Big Ten Announces Five Bowl Selections
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112304aaf.html 

Hawaii "Rainbow" Warriors
are all that's left...

     Northwestern (6-5) At Hawaii (5-5)
      http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/sports/3947022/detail.html 


Men's BASKETBALL

     The game Sunday is supposed to broadcast on KTLK AM 760. Here's a link
      http://www.760thezone.com/listen/live.html 

     'Cats Hit Road to Battle Buffs
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112604aab.html 

Looking Ahead:

     at Colorado 11/28


     Virginia 12/1
     Hoos Shake Mountaineers 77-60
      http://virginia.scout.com/2/322938.html 

     Chicago State 12/4


     DePaul 12/15
     DePaul-NIU MVP trophy honors late assistant Goedert
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-demon27.html 
     + Men's Basketball Hosts Northern Illinois on Saturday
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=2&ID=1925 

     Seton Hall  12/19 
     Plays Sunday

Women's BASKETBALL

     At Least 81 Big Ten Women's Basketball Games Scheduled to be Televised in
2004-05
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/112304aaa.html 

     Play DePaul tonight
     No. 19 Blue Demons Post 89-67 Victory
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=8&ID=1923 
     + No. 19 DePaul Takes On Northwestern
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=8&ID=1926 


RECRUITING

     Tyrell Sutton:  Story on last HS game 
 
http://my.highschooljournalism.org/oh/akron/hoban/article.cfm?eid=2621&aid=34123


VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats Take Down Hoosiers, 3-2
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/112604aaa.html 

MISCELLANY

     Ohio State AD denies wrongdoing
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-osu27.html 
     + Buckeyes continue spin doctoring as claims mount
      http://www.foxsports.com/story/3195298 

     Longhorns score one-point safety on rare play
      http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/wire?messageId=26680110 

     A little humor from Colorado...
     + BSC Making a mess in the Kitchen
 
http://cfapp.rockymountainnews.com/drew/index.cfm?Month=11&ID=640&year=2004 
     + What NBA Should Stand for
 
http://cfapp.rockymountainnews.com/drew/index.cfm?Month=11&ID=642&year=2004 

You Can Help one of our own...

     Greg Kane, one of our former basketball writers is running in a
half-marathon to support his niece who has a rare degenerative 
     disease. You can help by sponsoring him in the race - Here's the link  if
you'd like to help. Thanks.
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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sat Nov 27 09:14:43 2004
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Sat Nov 27 09:15:36 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Not enough bowl-eligible teams?
In-Reply-To: <200411270045.iAR0jN2I029545@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <200411271515.iARFFXZE027491@gw.tssi.com>

I don't think that is going to be an issue.  MAC teams are going to show up
in bowls all over the country.  There are about 6 MAC teams bowl eligible
and the MAC only has two tie-ins.  There are also bowl eligible teams in
both the WAC and Sun Belt beyond the couple of bowls the leagues are tied
to.  It's going to be a banner year for the coalition conferences.
Mark
Mark S. Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com
 
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Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:45 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Not enough bowl-eligible teams?

ABC mentioned at one point today that at the moment there aren't enough
bowl-eligible teams to fill all the bowl games.
 
What happens if that's still the case in a week?
 
Would the NCAA:

A.  Tell some bowl games they can't play?  (Yeah, right!)
B.  Declare all 6-6 teams bowl-eligible?  (That might not be enough.)
C.  Allow some teams with a losing record to be bowl-eligible?
D.  Ask Clemson and S. Carolina to reconsider their decision to skip bowls?
 
If (C), how would they decide what teams got bowl bids?  Would they
let the bowls without teams pick teams?
--
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 27 09:40:16 2004
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 27 09:41:26 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawaii on Comcast?
In-Reply-To: <25.5325fba0.2ed5701a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041127154016.77378.qmail@web53806.mail.yahoo.com>

Aloha,

Did anyone every find a way to get tonight's game on Comcast digital cable?

Thanks,
-Jim


		
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 27 11:50:51 2004
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 27 11:54:59 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats on espn?
Message-ID: <126.510de7b4.2eda187b@aol.com>

On the scoreboard page it has the espn2 logo at the NU - Hawaii  game.  Not 
listed on my TV program guide.  Whassup?
 
_http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/scoreboard?season=2&week=14&confId=80_ 
(http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/scoreboard?season=2&week=14&confId=80) 
 
 
From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sat Nov 27 11:58:59 2004
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Sat Nov 27 12:00:02 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawaii on Comcast?
In-Reply-To: <20041127154016.77378.qmail@web53806.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200411271800.iARHxxZE030126@gw.tssi.com>

The game is on ESPN game plan and at least on my digital cable is available
for single game purchase.  I have Insight which is a Comcast partner and
usually carries much the same offerings as Comcast.

Mark
Mark S. Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com
 
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Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:40 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawaii on Comcast?

Aloha,

Did anyone every find a way to get tonight's game on Comcast digital cable?

Thanks,
-Jim


		
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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sat Nov 27 17:12:04 2004
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sat Nov 27 17:12:37 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Free preview day for Directv sports package?
References: <001101c4d48f$becc2c00$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <41A909C4.94226C94@mindspring.com>

"Roy S. Lamberton" wrote:
> 
> www.PurpleWildcats.com
> for Purple Reign
> & the NU Sports List
> 
> ** Football Saturday Edition **
> A rather light list of news as Football gets ready for the Warriors. Basketball
> in Chicago for a meeting with the stealth Buffaloes, Volleyball wins
> one, and lots of Miscellany today too...
> 
>                                            All the News that Fits We Link
>                                           Your Daily Index to News about
>                                      Northwestern University Athletics, and more
> 
> FOOTBALL
> 
>      Northwestern faces dangerous air attack
> 
> http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041125nu,1,2285638.sto
> ry?coll=cs-college-headlines
>      + NU's bowl bid on line vs. rock-solid Hawaii
>       http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu27.html
>      + Stakes high for Wildcats tonight
>       http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intid=3831899
>      + Wildcats bringing new tradition
>       http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/26/sports/story2.html
>      + Wildcats and Warriors look to keep bowl hopes alive
> 
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/11/25/sports1330EST20
> 44.DTL
> 
> Big 10
> 
>      Big Ten Announces Five Bowl Selections
> 
> http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112304aaf.html
> 
> Hawaii "Rainbow" Warriors
> are all that's left...
> 
>      Northwestern (6-5) At Hawaii (5-5)
>       http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/sports/3947022/detail.html
> 
> Men's BASKETBALL
> 
>      The game Sunday is supposed to broadcast on KTLK AM 760. Here's a link
>       http://www.760thezone.com/listen/live.html
> 
>      'Cats Hit Road to Battle Buffs
>       http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112604aab.html
> 
> Looking Ahead:
> 
>      at Colorado 11/28
> 
>      Virginia 12/1
>      Hoos Shake Mountaineers 77-60
>       http://virginia.scout.com/2/322938.html
> 
>      Chicago State 12/4
> 
>      DePaul 12/15
>      DePaul-NIU MVP trophy honors late assistant Goedert
>       http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-demon27.html
>      + Men's Basketball Hosts Northern Illinois on Saturday
>       http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=2&ID=1925
> 
>      Seton Hall  12/19
>      Plays Sunday
> 
> Women's BASKETBALL
> 
>      At Least 81 Big Ten Women's Basketball Games Scheduled to be Televised in
> 2004-05
> 
> http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/112304aaa.html
> 
>      Play DePaul tonight
>      No. 19 Blue Demons Post 89-67 Victory
>       http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=8&ID=1923
>      + No. 19 DePaul Takes On Northwestern
>       http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=8&ID=1926
> 
> RECRUITING
> 
>      Tyrell Sutton:  Story on last HS game
> 
> http://my.highschooljournalism.org/oh/akron/hoban/article.cfm?eid=2621&aid=34123
> 
> VOLLEYBALL
> 
>      Wildcats Take Down Hoosiers, 3-2
>       http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/112604aaa.html
> 
> MISCELLANY
> 
>      Ohio State AD denies wrongdoing
>       http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-osu27.html
>      + Buckeyes continue spin doctoring as claims mount
>       http://www.foxsports.com/story/3195298
> 
>      Longhorns score one-point safety on rare play
>       http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/wire?messageId=26680110
> 
>      A little humor from Colorado...
>      + BSC Making a mess in the Kitchen
> 
> http://cfapp.rockymountainnews.com/drew/index.cfm?Month=11&ID=640&year=2004
>      + What NBA Should Stand for
> 
> http://cfapp.rockymountainnews.com/drew/index.cfm?Month=11&ID=642&year=2004
> 
> You Can Help one of our own...
> 
>      Greg Kane, one of our former basketball writers is running in a
> half-marathon to support his niece who has a rare degenerative
>      disease. You can help by sponsoring him in the race - Here's the link  if
> you'd like to help. Thanks.
>       http://www.atcp.org/Fundraising/Marathoners/KaneGreg.htm
> 
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This must be a free preview day for the sports package as I am seeing
this channel today. I wonder if the NU game will be shown.  It might be
blacked out for viewers not in the service area for that channel.

Clark

From johnl at mac.com  Sat Nov 27 18:20:55 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sat Nov 27 18:21:14 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Hawaii on Comcast?
In-Reply-To: <ADBCB6DC-40D2-11D9-9B41-000A95960BF2@mac.com>
References: <20041127154016.77378.qmail@web53806.mail.yahoo.com>
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> You can get the game on Comcast digital cable in Chicago as part of 
> the "Premier" digital package.  It's only $5 a month, plus a $1.99 
> service charge.  That's less than the ESPN GamePlan.  You will 
> immediately get the additional channels when you call to order.  (I 
> didn't ask, but I would guess you could cancel tomorrow for another 
> $1.99 service charge and you would only be charged $5 prorated for 1 
> day.)
>
> The game will be on "Fox Sports Digital Pacific," which is on channels 
> 264 and 415, and is part of the "Premier" package.  I suppose this 
> probably varies by market, but I'm guessing other Comcast markets also 
> offer the same channel.

> John
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2004, at 9:40 AM, Jim Leonard wrote:
>
>> Aloha,
>>
>> Did anyone every find a way to get tonight's game on Comcast digital 
>> cable?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Jim
>>
>>
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From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sat Nov 27 19:55:05 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 27 19:59:58 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Not enough bowl-eligible teams?
In-Reply-To: <200411270045.iAR0jN2I029545@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300bdcede8b84c5@[66.170.160.163]>

>ABC mentioned at one point today that at the moment there aren't enough
>bowl-eligible teams to fill all the bowl games.
>
I'm surprised ... well, check that:) ... amused that the NCAA hasn't
thought ahead to this with adding so many bowl games lately. Either they
need to have the surplus of bowls only in 12-game seasons, or change the
rules.

Syracuse's win today helped (so would that be 1 slot left or 3 ... were
SC/Clemson counted in bowl eligible teams?) their cause, but still, a lot
of these bowls are not gonna be happy about being stuck with MAC schools.
The MAC plays good football, but they don't put people in seats or bring
viewers. Translation: A lot of half-empty stadiums for bowl season this
year ... that could include the Fiesta Bowl with Pitt now, unless the
entire state of Utah comes.:)

>A.  Tell some bowl games they can't play?  (Yeah, right!)
>B.  Declare all 6-6 teams bowl-eligible?  (That might not be enough.)
>C.  Allow some teams with a losing record to be bowl-eligible?
>D.  Ask Clemson and S. Carolina to reconsider their decision to skip bowls?

They most likely would solve it by (B), allowing certain waivers ... if
that didn't fill the spots, I'd imagine that -- fair or not -- the
losing-record teams would have to come from conferences where there's a
tie-in for one of the open bowls.

Obviously, Northwestern just needs to win tonight to avoid any of this
mess. If we come up short, I'm not sure I like our chances unless MSU also
loses. Then we'd be 6-6 and possibly get a waiver for the seventh Big Ten
bowl slot that needs to be filled, but if both NU and MSU are 6-6, the
Spartans would easily get the waiver to head to Detroit.

More headaches for these NCAA bowl folks ... hah!:)

Right now, ND is sticking it to USC, which could either solve the BCS mess
at the top if SC loses ... or make it much worse if SC scrapes by a 6-5
team at home, casting doubt on whether they should be left out of Miami and
we should let Oklahoma and Auburn play for it. Plus, they already have a
whiny Mack Brown forcefully campaigning not to be left out again with 10
wins (boo hoo - try beating OU or playing a tough schedule!:) ) while
trying to save his own job and a disaster in the Big Least where there will
likely be no top 25 teams after this week and someone still gets an
automatic BCS bid.

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!
-SjT


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From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sat Nov 27 20:20:14 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 27 20:25:02 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Answer me this about the BCS...
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20041125213209.03638198@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <l03130301bdcee08bfcf6@[66.170.162.111]>

>what the rankings are for: To answer the question of who plays in the title
>game when it's not necessarily obvious?

I think the problem people have is that the system clearly has not worked
-- out of the seven years, only twice has it worked, and that's when there
have been exactly two unbeatens at the end of the year, and even in 1999
and 2002, some people made good arguments that VaTech and Ohio State
weren't one of the two best teams in the nation.

1998: Tennessee was the only clear entrant ... FSU picked up the second
slot, basically because they lost first of the 1-loss teams ... though Ohio
State was the #1 team most of the year and probably more deserving of a
shot.

2000: One of the big disaster years. Oklahoma was unbeaten ... FSU again
slipped in again at #2 (prompting the Bowden Computer System moniker)
despite losing to 1-loss Miami ... who lost to 1-loss Washington.

2001: Nebraska slips in the title game despite not even being one of the
two teams playing for its league championship. After the bowl games between
the top four teams, it was pretty clear that Oregon deserved the shot.
Since the top four played each other in bowls, the "plus one" title game
idea would have worked well here.

2003: Disaster strikes with no unbeatens and three 1-loss teams. Even
worse, it's a repeat of 2001 where a team from the Big XII (overrated by
the computers) gets in the title game despite not winning its conference).
It was set up perfectly for the "plus one" championship mode, with #1 SC
playing #4 Michigan and #2 LSU against #3 Oklahoma.

2004: Now we could have three unbeaten teams at the top. Yes, the BCS is
supposed to break these ties ... but I'm not sure anyone agrees that the
current system is the best way to break these ties. Basically, USC and OU
are 1-2 because they were 1-2 in preseason. If we were judging by this year
alone, Auburn's beaten three top 10 teams at the time, had only two games
decided by single digits (and Alabama was only single digits with a late
pass) and has more than made its case.

>but that is the point.  And it begs the question, if you're an Auburn fan
>and you feel the Tigers are being cheated by the system (which you wouldn't
>if your team and Oklahoma switched spots), what do you propose as an
>alternative?  Or are you just bitching to hear yourselves bitch?  If there

But I don't think anyone here is an Auburn fan ... that's the point. Fans
from conferences across the nation have been "bitching" for years that this
is flawed, even when it doesn't involve their favorite team or even a team
from their conference.

>are three 11-0 teams (or one 11-0 and two or more 10-1), only two can play
>the NC game, and there has to be a system for deciding which ones.

As stated, the "plus one" system, while not a true playoff, is more
feasible and far preferable to the BCS. In five of the seven years, it
would have worked better than the BCS and even in those other two years, it
probably would have been a fair way to decide who should play in the title
game and who should be the champion. Adding one game the weekend before the
Super Bowl isn't going to take away from the regular season or take away
from the academics or education excuses that the presidents use (even
though they have no problem with 12 game seasons, league title games and
other academic-unfriendly ideas).

If it's BCS or nothing, I think many fans would take the latter ... this
system is tinkered with every year and seems to only get more absurd. If we
can't have a playoff or even a plus-one, go back to the Big Ten-Pac 10 in
Pasadena on Jan. 1 on ABC and leave the rest to FOX.:)

>but that's a little more open.  I'm just talking about the question of, if
>not an established pre-set formula that ranks the teams, what do you use?

How about games on the field?:) Yes, if we had a "plus one" model there'd
be complaints over how you decide who's #5, just like the NCAA has to
decide who's #66 in basketball ... but use the BCS rankings, maybe have a
selection committee and set up the BCS bowls to pit the top four teams
against each other in the "plus one" format and you'll have a better
system. The big powers in college football just don't play each other
during the regular season (it doesn't make sense to, unlike hoops with the
RPI) ... so you're far more likely to wind up with 2+ teams deserving of a
shot at the title than less than 2. And you likely won't have more than
four with a legit claim ... yeah, the cutoff point will always be
controversial, but in more years than not, there are between 3 and 4 teams
and not more than that ... or fewer.

>BTW, read this week's mailbag column from NU's own Stewart Mandel for some
>interesting info on how Auburn's non-conf schedule got so soft this year:

But I don't see their sked being so soft when you realize that they also
played SEC teams. Georgia and LSU at home, 'Bama and Tennessee on the road?
That's as tough a foursome as you'll see among the top teams. The SEC is
deep, like the Big Ten, and steeped in tradition ... get through that
unscathed and you don't need any NC pedigree, you're deserving of a shot at
the title. It's not like OU's was much better ... Bowling Green and Oregon
were at home ... and USC had a far easier conference than either.

Oh well, we'll likely see more tinkering after an unbeaten SEC team gets
left out of the hunt this year. I don't think it's so much people disputing
that we need a system to help break ties (HELP - I'd like to see it be like
the RPI and used as a guide for a human committee and not the final rule)
... just that the current system has failed far more than it has succeeded
in matching up the two teams most deserving of playing for the championship.

GO CATS!!! BEAT HAWAII!!!
-SjT


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 27 19:53:48 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 27 21:03:42 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Call Me Crazy - But - Chat during the game
Message-ID: <001601c4d4ed$1b4aa170$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Same Place, I'm there now

http://pub43.bravenet.com/chat/show.php/3660815782

Go Cats - Raze the Rainbows, Waste the Warriors, Humble Hawai'I

rsl



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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sat Nov 27 22:02:42 2004
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sat Nov 27 22:03:24 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Game is free on Directv Channel 653
References: <l03130301bdcee08bfcf6@[66.170.162.111]>
Message-ID: <41A94DE2.C78626A5@mindspring.com>

FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sat Nov 27 23:57:10 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 28 00:02:10 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] First half thoughts ...
Message-ID: <l03130300bdcf092f15c3@[66.170.162.111]>

- Woohoo! No blackout. Thank you, DirecTV!:)
However, I should note that the Hawaii announcers and camera crew are
TERRIBLE. A nice job on the islands ... couldn't they find someone better?:)

To the game ...

- Penalty! Penalty! Penalty! And that was just our embarassing attempt at
an opening kickoff! UGH!
- The defense did a heck of a job in the first quarter. Limiting that
offense to nothing past midfield and stopping the first three drives cold
was a great start.
- That said, we should have been up a lot more than 13-0 after the first.
We got a quick seven off the second INT the D gave us (nothing off the
first! UGH!) and three points (and negative yardage) over the "onside"
short kick ... but really only had one good drive and stalled for the field
goal.
- To go along with that - RUN NOAH UP THE FRIGGIN' GUT!!! I appreciate that
we passed on the opening four plays to try and open it up ... but once we
get the run game going (with big gashes up the middle), we stalled by
running to the sidelines ... and after the onside kick, we ran two run
plays to the outside. Hawaii's only defensive edge is speed ... don't play
right into their hands. We had success running up the gut early - DO IT!!!
- But two nice LONG field goals right down the pipe - that's promising!

So 13-0 after the first quarter, but Hawaii's driving and nearing midfield,
finally finding their rhythm. So a good start, but one that could have been
(and should have been) 21-0 or 24-0 and a knockout punch early. To quarter
two ...

- Big defensive stop on third down at midfield to start the quarter by
Roach and Backes. We're getting good pressure up front and some nice,
hard-hitting coverage from our linebackers and DBs.
- Now if the O would only support them! But I guess that since Hawaii and
NU's offenses depend a lot on finding rhythm, there will be a lot of
maddening drives today.
- Little disappointed in the line play so far ... they should be dominating
these guys. But we're getting beat a lot by speed.
- Pickens: STUPID late-hit penalty on Chang. Thankfully, Chang wasn't hurt
... but that could have forced third and long and instead kept a drive
alive. D.U.M.B. Are we trying to top last week's yardage total? A few plays
later, Hawaii finally enters NU territory on a deep pass to the 10 and
their first touchdown. DUMB. The D had been doing such a solid job.
- What should have been a blowout is now 13-7 and anybody's game.
- Nice work on the play-action and Baz rollout calls ... no problem with
our pass plays ... but I really don't see why we keep trying to beat Hawaii
running outside instead of POUNDING THE FRIGGIN' BALL!!!
- Good quick-thinking by Baz on that goal-line fumble to run around to the
side for the TD. We needed that answer drive after Hawaii's offense finally
woke up and scored.
- We needed the Big Ten replay folk on that second Hawaii TD ... he was
clearly out of bounds at the 5 or 4. But as I said earlier, too bad we
couldn't just leave the Big Ten refs at home and go with WAC officials. But
still, another third down play where Hawaii comes up big. Looks like the D
may be wearing out.:(
- ANOTHER interference on a punt? Our special teams play today has been an
embarassment and a disaster aside from Howells' two long field goals.
- Well, we lost our lead. Wake! UP! OFFENSE!!!
- Another penalty on our kickoff return? Sheesh - is this the same crew as
we had last week?
- That last-second drive was a kick to the face. They obviously got Chang
going ... it's about time we get Noah going.
- A sweep to end the first half? Just another example that we're not
getting it on offense. What the heck are we trying to do by playing right
into their strengths?!?!

A disheartening second quarter for the Cats. We did so much right on D in
the first, but the O was so inconsistent that we never took advantage ...
now Hawaii's back and we have a dogfight of a second half coming up, down
28-20.

You can't fault the D at this point ... they gave us ample opportunity to
put this one in the bag early. The stupid late hit probably fired Hawaii up
a bit, but the game should have been out of reach by then anyway. Our
offense has only mounted one sustained drive on this defense ... and even
that stalled out when we tried to run outside. We gotta wake up on offense
in a hurry if we want to stay in this game, because Hawaii's waking up on
offense and while our D has done a good job, they can't hold this passing
game in check forever.

* Cut out the stupid penalties (sadly, last week doesn't appear to be an
abberation ... but the start of a trend after 10 games of doing so well).
* Run Noah up the middle as many times as humanly possible!
* Play smart football and get drives going to disrupt Hawaii's offensive
momentum and get our offense going. The O-line has to come out and play a
heck of a lot better in this second half.

A promising start gone to squat ... Randy's gotta rip 'em a new one at
halftime and get some kind of direction going in this offense. Our line
should be dominating this game. We have to come out and get Noah into this
game to answer Chang. Oh yeah - SOMEBODY COVER OWENS!!!!!!!

UGH! It started so well! WAKE UP CATS!!!
-SjT


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From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov 28 00:04:43 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov 28 00:04:59 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Terrible officiating
Message-ID: <65EA5D11-4103-11D9-B75F-000A95960BF2@mac.com>

These officials are terrible so far.  3 bad calls:

1) Late hit on Chang.  It wasn't late, and the refs called it "roughing 
the passer," which it clearly wasn't.

2) 2nd Hawaii Touchdown.  The receiver stepped out of bounds at about 
the 4 yard line right in front of the ref (2 or 3 steps were out).

3) Interference with the opportunity to catch.  Our guys didn't touch 
the return guy the 2nd time, so I don't see how it could be a penalty 
under the current rule.

We need to run these guys over on offense in the second half and start 
sacking the QB.

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 28 00:06:30 2004
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sun Nov 28 00:07:41 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Arh!
In-Reply-To: <41A94DE2.C78626A5@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20041128060630.56815.qmail@web53809.mail.yahoo.com>

Halftime.....

So the halo rule returned for one game, huh?

Someone cover Chad Owens, PLEASE!

Why must NU invite unnecessary drama?

Three Mia Tai's to the wind,
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 28 01:13:50 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 28 01:13:54 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Argggghhhhh!!
Message-ID: <200411280713.iAS7Do43015007@romaine.tssi.com>

Just as it did last week, at 1AM our feed to Gameplan cut out.  

Of course nobody is answering the phones at the cable company to do anything about it.
--
Mike Nolan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 28 01:38:29 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 28 01:38:31 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Argggghhhhh!!
In-Reply-To: <CBE0C91AC1DE7245B4A9444B2F1A705808915A@AMRXM1112.dir.svc.accenture.com>
	from "brian.h.winkler@accenture.com" at Nov 28, 2004 01:19:17 AM
Message-ID: <200411280738.iAS7cT2x015226@romaine.tssi.com>

> I lost it as well at one am, the cable company is working on it but it is an espn problem according to my provider.

Yeah, that's what I was told when I called on Monday to complain about 
last Saturday's Hawaii game getting shut off at 1AM too.  

Fortunately I can get WGN on the radio.  
--
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From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Sun Nov 28 01:50:29 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 28 01:55:23 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] And the second half ...  
Message-ID: <l03130300bdcf1bd377e8@[66.170.163.57]>

Well, we get the ball first -- can NU finally get the O going after failing
to put this one away in the first quarter?

- Only 103 rushing yards at the half against this D? Pathetic. WAKE UP O-LINE!
- Even these Fox commentators can see how odd our gameplan has been, saying
that they're surprised that we haven't run the ball more.
- A run up the gut on the first play ... for seven yards (SEE!!! SEE!!!)
... looks like the mind signals of thousands of NU fans watching at home
finally got through to the islands!
- We don't go for it on 4th and 1 near midfield? If you can't make one yard
on this D, you don't deserve to win. Then again, if we can't cover a
friggin' punt (Owens again!), we don't deserve to win either.
- Pathetic special teams play. Anemic offense. This is getting embarassing.
- Where's the O line? Were they left in Chicago?
- OK - down 35-20 now. We run up the gut on first play ... five yards
(SEE!!! SEE!!!) and it sets up a big pass play on second down. Another run
up the gut with Baz the next play for huge yardage (WHERE WAS THIS
EARLIER!!!). Noah up the gut for five again (ARRRGGGHHH!!!).
- We needed that fake field goal -- had we gone for 3, I was ready to hop
on a plane to Honolulu myself, so it shouldn't have been a surprise. But
still, much needed.
- Oh joy ... a penalty on the PAT. Did we practice special teams at all
this week?
- Anybody care to cover Owens this game? Sheesh. Hawaii's back up by two
scores.
- Man, when Chang is on, he is just a kid in a candy store with this NU
secondary ... he's slicing and dicing the Cats at will. We really needed to
score more when he was cold at the start of the game.
- After Hawaii answers our TD with their own, we come out and have a drive
with only one running play (the reverse) ... until we get Noah loose on a
screen. RUN MORE!!!
- There are 20 minutes left in the game and we're already over 100 yards in
penalties. UGH.
- A BLOCKED PAT? Special Teams ...aaarrrgggghhhh!!!
- Is this TERRELL Owens we're playing today or what? Sure seems like it. He
should send us a thank you note for this tape to send to NFL scouts.
- Noah doesn't even have 100 yards as we end the third. He should be on his
way to 200 at this point. What's up with our gameplan?

What a disappointing third quarter. We came out without the fire, let them
jump ahead by two scores and still haven't figured out what to do. Our
offensive play calling and execution are maddening ... our special teams
atrocious and the defense fading fast after their first quarter efforts
went to waste. We're now down 49-33 and in big trouble.

- Hey look! We start the fourth between the hashes and Jordan gets 23 yards.
- 5 for 15 on third downs? Ugh.
- Kim Thompson's catch on 4th down was a thing of beauty -- looking forward
to watching him mature the next few years with his height and speed.
- So it came down to 4th and goal at the 1 or 2 with 10 minutes left and NU
down 16. I've always said that if you can't get one yard, you don't deserve
to win. We couldn't get one yard. We didn't deserve to win. Noah wouldn't
go down without a fight, but there was just no hole there. The game
essentially ended there.

We mounted a late comeback, but finally ran out of lives I guess (though we
had plenty of time to run the ball at the end there -- why we felt the need
to pass only with 20 yards to go and 1:20 left is beyond me). The late INT
was a bit bogus, but we didn't play well enough to win despite getting a
bad break.

There's a lot to be disappointed about. The defense gave up a lot after
that beautiful first quarter. The penalties were inexcusible. The special
teams were mixed (great FGs, blocked punt and fake FG ... horrible
penalties and coverage). But for me, this game really came down to NU's
offense. Our game plan was puzzling and our offensive line never asserted
itself and lived up to potential. We never got in sync.

I just have this feeling that Michigan State is going to gash this defense
for some huge yardage on the ground next week. Why we couldn't, I don't
know. Yes, they stacked the box - but our play calling helped Hawaii out by
running horizontally ... and our offensive line -- the experience and
strength of this team -- never came to play. And in a game that essentially
was for a bowl bid, that's disappointing.

So we fell into the Hawaii trap ... certainly not the first team and we
won't be the last, but that doesn't make it any easier to swallow. Our
defense came out strong and forced turnovers to give us every chance to win
it early. We didn't. With so much on the line, it's sad to have it end this
way, with a game that we never even needed to schedule.

It's also an unfortunate sour note to end this season. We got into
WAC-style shootouts that brought out our worst in the opener and closer. In
between, we had ten solid games. Losing to four ranked teams, but winning
the other six -- one "first" at Happy Valley, two by a field goal and three
in overtime, including that memorable streakbuster against Ohio State. We
went 5-3 and finished fourth in the Big Ten. We got to six wins for a
second straight year.

But the trip to the Islands just did us in. I'm sad it had to end this way
for our seniors -- they deserved a better finish after this year. This
one's gonna hurt for awhile. After a few weeks, I may be able to better
appreciate what we did this season and could see us deserving a 6-6 waiver
if there aren't enough bowl teams since we did finish above .500 in league
play and the Big Ten is short of slots. But right now, it just hurts and
I'm sure no one feels it as much as those seniors will on the plane ride
home.

GO CATS!!!
-Stephen


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From s.fridley at comcast.net  Sun Nov 28 02:10:08 2004
From: s.fridley at comcast.net (Steve Fridley)
Date: Sun Nov 28 02:10:59 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Argggghhhhh!!
In-Reply-To: <200411280738.iAS7cT2x015226@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200411280738.iAS7cT2x015226@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <EB25D264-4114-11D9-B45A-003065A1B0BC@comcast.net>

Same thing happened to me in Chicago.  The jokers were willing to 
credit me for the $, but not to get the feed turned back on.
I'm unlucky  --  and they're lucky we didn't come back to tie it.

On Nov 28, 2004, at 1:38 AM, Mike Nolan wrote:

> I lost it as well at one am, the cable company is working on it but it 
> is an espn problem according to my provider.

Yeah, that's what I was told when I called on Monday to complain about
last Saturday's Hawaii game getting shut off at 1AM too.

Fortunately I can get WGN on the radio.
--
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From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov 28 02:18:44 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov 28 02:19:00 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] And the second half ...
In-Reply-To: <l03130300bdcf1bd377e8@[66.170.163.57]>
References: <l03130300bdcf1bd377e8@[66.170.163.57]>
Message-ID: <1ED6CCF3-4116-11D9-B75F-000A95960BF2@mac.com>

My prediction on the possibility of a 6-6 waiver is that MSU will beat 
Hawaii next week, and they'll get the waiver into the Motor City Bowl.  
I suppose if MSU loses, we'd have a shot at a 6-6 waiver given the 
relative lack of bowl eligible teams, but then we'll be listening to 
the talk about how we don't really deserve a bowl bid (although our big 
wins and 5-3 Big Ten record would quiet that talk somewhat this year).  
I just can't believe we gave up all those points.  The big 
disappointment for me tonight was the fact that we never sacked the QB 
and hardly ever got close to him.




> But the trip to the Islands just did us in. I'm sad it had to end this 
> way
> for our seniors -- they deserved a better finish after this year. This
> one's gonna hurt for awhile. After a few weeks, I may be able to better
> appreciate what we did this season and could see us deserving a 6-6 
> waiver
> if there aren't enough bowl teams since we did finish above .500 in 
> league
> play and the Big Ten is short of slots. But right now, it just hurts 
> and
> I'm sure no one feels it as much as those seniors will on the plane 
> ride
> home.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -Stephen
>
>
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From sundevilpeg at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 28 02:21:10 2004
From: sundevilpeg at hotmail.com (peg wolfe)
Date: Sun Nov 28 02:23:08 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] And the second half ...
In-Reply-To: <l03130300bdcf1bd377e8@[66.170.163.57]>
Message-ID: <BAY17-F302BE0315EB3CF88A8B3E2A7BC0@phx.gbl>



AaaaaaRRRRGH!

I can't decide what upsets me more - this game, rendering all of the hard 
work and milestone victories by the Cats this season hollow (not to mention 
the awful way it ended), or ASU's absolutely ridiculous loss to Evil - and 
awful! -  UofA  - we slid from the Holiday Bowl to the Sun Bowl, and lost 
Andrew Walter for the bowl in the process.   What a weekend.  Euggh.

Goodnight, all.  *sigh*

- sundevilpeg


>From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@jorsm.com>
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] And the second half ...  Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 
>01:50:29 -0600
>
>Well, we get the ball first -- can NU finally get the O going after failing
>to put this one away in the first quarter?
>
>- Only 103 rushing yards at the half against this D? Pathetic. WAKE UP 
>O-LINE!
>- Even these Fox commentators can see how odd our gameplan has been, saying
>that they're surprised that we haven't run the ball more.
>- A run up the gut on the first play ... for seven yards (SEE!!! SEE!!!)
>... looks like the mind signals of thousands of NU fans watching at home
>finally got through to the islands!
>- We don't go for it on 4th and 1 near midfield? If you can't make one yard
>on this D, you don't deserve to win. Then again, if we can't cover a
>friggin' punt (Owens again!), we don't deserve to win either.
>- Pathetic special teams play. Anemic offense. This is getting embarassing.
>- Where's the O line? Were they left in Chicago?
>- OK - down 35-20 now. We run up the gut on first play ... five yards
>(SEE!!! SEE!!!) and it sets up a big pass play on second down. Another run
>up the gut with Baz the next play for huge yardage (WHERE WAS THIS
>EARLIER!!!). Noah up the gut for five again (ARRRGGGHHH!!!).
>- We needed that fake field goal -- had we gone for 3, I was ready to hop
>on a plane to Honolulu myself, so it shouldn't have been a surprise. But
>still, much needed.
>- Oh joy ... a penalty on the PAT. Did we practice special teams at all
>this week?
>- Anybody care to cover Owens this game? Sheesh. Hawaii's back up by two
>scores.
>- Man, when Chang is on, he is just a kid in a candy store with this NU
>secondary ... he's slicing and dicing the Cats at will. We really needed to
>score more when he was cold at the start of the game.
>- After Hawaii answers our TD with their own, we come out and have a drive
>with only one running play (the reverse) ... until we get Noah loose on a
>screen. RUN MORE!!!
>- There are 20 minutes left in the game and we're already over 100 yards in
>penalties. UGH.
>- A BLOCKED PAT? Special Teams ...aaarrrgggghhhh!!!
>- Is this TERRELL Owens we're playing today or what? Sure seems like it. He
>should send us a thank you note for this tape to send to NFL scouts.
>- Noah doesn't even have 100 yards as we end the third. He should be on his
>way to 200 at this point. What's up with our gameplan?
>
>What a disappointing third quarter. We came out without the fire, let them
>jump ahead by two scores and still haven't figured out what to do. Our
>offensive play calling and execution are maddening ... our special teams
>atrocious and the defense fading fast after their first quarter efforts
>went to waste. We're now down 49-33 and in big trouble.
>
>- Hey look! We start the fourth between the hashes and Jordan gets 23 
>yards.
>- 5 for 15 on third downs? Ugh.
>- Kim Thompson's catch on 4th down was a thing of beauty -- looking forward
>to watching him mature the next few years with his height and speed.
>- So it came down to 4th and goal at the 1 or 2 with 10 minutes left and NU
>down 16. I've always said that if you can't get one yard, you don't deserve
>to win. We couldn't get one yard. We didn't deserve to win. Noah wouldn't
>go down without a fight, but there was just no hole there. The game
>essentially ended there.
>
>We mounted a late comeback, but finally ran out of lives I guess (though we
>had plenty of time to run the ball at the end there -- why we felt the need
>to pass only with 20 yards to go and 1:20 left is beyond me). The late INT
>was a bit bogus, but we didn't play well enough to win despite getting a
>bad break.
>
>There's a lot to be disappointed about. The defense gave up a lot after
>that beautiful first quarter. The penalties were inexcusible. The special
>teams were mixed (great FGs, blocked punt and fake FG ... horrible
>penalties and coverage). But for me, this game really came down to NU's
>offense. Our game plan was puzzling and our offensive line never asserted
>itself and lived up to potential. We never got in sync.
>
>I just have this feeling that Michigan State is going to gash this defense
>for some huge yardage on the ground next week. Why we couldn't, I don't
>know. Yes, they stacked the box - but our play calling helped Hawaii out by
>running horizontally ... and our offensive line -- the experience and
>strength of this team -- never came to play. And in a game that essentially
>was for a bowl bid, that's disappointing.
>
>So we fell into the Hawaii trap ... certainly not the first team and we
>won't be the last, but that doesn't make it any easier to swallow. Our
>defense came out strong and forced turnovers to give us every chance to win
>it early. We didn't. With so much on the line, it's sad to have it end this
>way, with a game that we never even needed to schedule.
>
>It's also an unfortunate sour note to end this season. We got into
>WAC-style shootouts that brought out our worst in the opener and closer. In
>between, we had ten solid games. Losing to four ranked teams, but winning
>the other six -- one "first" at Happy Valley, two by a field goal and three
>in overtime, including that memorable streakbuster against Ohio State. We
>went 5-3 and finished fourth in the Big Ten. We got to six wins for a
>second straight year.
>
>But the trip to the Islands just did us in. I'm sad it had to end this way
>for our seniors -- they deserved a better finish after this year. This
>one's gonna hurt for awhile. After a few weeks, I may be able to better
>appreciate what we did this season and could see us deserving a 6-6 waiver
>if there aren't enough bowl teams since we did finish above .500 in league
>play and the Big Ten is short of slots. But right now, it just hurts and
>I'm sure no one feels it as much as those seniors will on the plane ride
>home.
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-Stephen
>
>
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 28 02:55:42 2004
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sun Nov 28 02:56:52 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] aloha indeed
Message-ID: <20041128085542.43354.qmail@web51308.mail.yahoo.com>

Well ... on the plus side, just think of all the money
we'll be saving on air fares and hotel rooms and
country-music CDs and Tennessee whiskey. 

To me, this debacle highlights all the factors that
make Walker's 'Cats so exasperating at times.

1) Bad kick coverage, which more or less erased our
two TDs on special teams. Is is that hard to cover a
kick? Should more starters be on the coverage units? 

2) Penalties. Pickens' personal foul on Chang
essentially got Hawaii's engines started and we kept
them going with stupid penalties throughout. 116 yards
in penalties, esp. a week after 113 vs. Illinois
pointed out a problem that needed to be corrected and
was not?? I don't understand this. Aren't we supposed
to be the smart team around here?

3) Inability of the offense to punch the ball in. We
got no points from McGarigle's early pick,
first-and-goal from the 5 and the last drive that
reached the 31, and we settled for field goals twice.
Those six chances produced six points. If we get 28
points (four TDs), say, I suspect we win. Though one
never knows, because ...

4) The defense's stretches of complete catalepsy.
We're losing 14-13 at Michigan and suddenly it's
42-13. We're buried at Wisconsin and TCU early, and
given the way we finished those games one or two
defensive stands may well have made a difference.
We're in the Minnesota game and then suddenly the
defense disappears.

And now we have Hawaii's 28-point second quarter, a
complete disgrace, esp. the last touchdown -- 65 yards
in 19 seconds? Why even bother to take the field on
defense? The coaches' game plan was obviously
effective at first, but we had no answers for whatever
Jones cooked up after the first quarter. And our
d-backs, well, less said the better. The biggest
upgrade we need is in the defensive backfield; would
anyone disagree?

5) Running game. Should have been more dominant,
though of course when we're down in the second half it
goes by the boards.

And so it goes. I find it hard to call a season with
fourth-place Big Ten finish (ahead of Minny, OSU,
Perdont, Sparty, and Joe), wins over Ohio State and
Purdue and only the fourth non-losing season since
1971 a failure; remember without the Hawaii game we'd
have been bowling for sure. Frankly any season with a
win over the Illini qualifies as a partial success to
me.

But it could have been so much more.

You wonder -- and I am not an habiutal Walker-basher,
either -- if 2000, 2003, 2004 show us the best we're
going to be with him: exciting as hell, with some
exhilarating wins, but teams prone to inexplicable
flops (Iowa in 2000, Air Force in 2003, TCU/Hawaii
2004) because of inconsistent special teams, bushles
of penalties, an offense that, while often
spectacular, struggles to domninate at the line of
scrimmage, and a defense that is prone to utter
ineffectiveness for long stretches and is clueless
against wide-open shoot-out teams (maybe we should
stop scheduling this kind of team, frankly). 

If that's the best Walker's going to give us -- and I
am not sure it is, but a pattern seems to be
developing -- then what you have to decide is this: do
we live with that and enjoy the excitement and thrills
and occasional huge wins while understanding the
problem spots will remain. Certainly the Walker years
are vastly better than the 1972-1994 Dark Ages, and if
Randy leaving means we go back to 1988, say, then I am
all for him staying. 

But could we do better? Do you try and go in another
direction, hoping for a team that can continue to do
what Walker's teams do well without the problems he
doesn't seem to be to able to fix and go from 6-6 to
9-3, realizing that one misstep (hiring a Cam
Cameron/Don Morton type) and the Dark Ages may be back
(shudder)?

Myself, I give Walker one more year and see what
happens. We have a lot back and the non-league
schedule is a tad easier (aside: do we need to
Mason-ize the non-league slate?)

Lastly (long post, my apologies): I am so sorry for
our seniors; they deserved a bowl game. They have
given us a lot of great moments the last two years --
heck, I'll always love 'em for ending all kinds of
streaks (OSU, PU, at PSU) and the two Illinois wins of
2003 and 2004 will warm my heart for the long winter
ahead -- and I will be so sad to seem them go. Thanks,
guys, for making us so proud of you so many times. I
just wish you'd had the chance to make it one more
time.

Time to find the Scotch.

Brad Wilson


 
 









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From JHCCLARK at aol.com  Sun Nov 28 07:54:29 2004
From: JHCCLARK at aol.com (JHCCLARK@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 28 07:58:27 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] You saw it coming...
Message-ID: <158.44d45f69.2edb3295@aol.com>

Since 1971, the only times we have had a winning season (1995, 1996, 2000)  
are also the times we have had a Big Ten Championship.  That streak is  still 
alive.
 
The 6-6 "waiver" issue is no longer an issue.  With Syracuse and  Southern 
Miss winning, there are now 56 teams and no need for any waivers, and  that 
doesn't count 5-5 Tulane or 6-5 Hawaii.
 
Not sure how I feel about Walker, I go back and forth.  It is  better than 
the Dark Ages.  But I am getting really sick of RW's love  affair with penalties 
(what was the final tally, 77 penalites for 1100 yards, or  something like 
that?)  I just don't get it.  Other teams seem to win  without flirting with 
self-destruction.  It seems odd that RW is "Mister  Discipline" but can't seem to 
get his guys to take that to heart on the  field.
 
And all that talk before about RW leaving for greener pastures?
 
That guy at Boise State looks better and better, huh?
 
Hmmpph.
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 28 09:01:07 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov 28 09:05:10 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/26
Message-ID: <001b01c4d55b$18f86a10$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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** Weekend Buzz Saw Edition **
Volleyball takes it to Purdue, Football runs into a Buzz Saw named Chang.
Basketball gets back in gear against Chicago tonight. Women's 
Roundball runs into a buzz saw called DePaul. Some Recruiting updates, and
something to think about...

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FOOTBALL

     Wildcats' Bowl Hopes Dashed By Hawaii, 49-41
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/112804aaa.html 
     + NU-Hawaii Box Score
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/112804aaa.html 
     + Northwestern Post-Game Notes
 
http://www.collegesports.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/nw/sports/m-footbl/auto_p
df/NUHAW 
     + No Overtime - No Bowl
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/323578.html 
     + SjT: View from the Couch
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/323598.html 
     + Hawaii 49, Northwestern 41
      http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3197786 
     + NU looking for winning bid vs. Hawaii
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu28.html 
     + CFN Updated Blog
      http://www.collegefootballnews.com/Big_Ten/Northwestern.htm 
     + HailtoPurple.com
      http://hailtopurple.com/ 

     One-on-One With Shaun Herbert
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110204aaa.html 
     One-on-One With Marvin Ward
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/genrel/102904aab.html 

Hawaii "Rainbow" Warriors
are all that's left...

     One for the show
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/28/sports/story1.html 
     + Jones discovers they grow 'em big in Big Ten
      http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Nov/27/sp/sp14p.html 
     + Warriors Upset Northwestern, 49-41, to Keep Bowl Hopes Alive
      http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/recap.html?rid=13614&p=3 
     + Warrior Report
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/28/sports/story2.html 
     + Owens too slippery for 'Cats
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/28/sports/story3.html 
     + Northwestern runs out of power
      http://starbulletin.com/2004/11/28/sports/story4.html 

Men's BASKETBALL

     'Cats Hit Road to Battle Buffs
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112604aab.html 

Looking Ahead:

     at Colorado 11/28
      CU Hosts NU
      http://www.cubuffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=600&ATCLID=89320 

     Virginia 12/1
     Men's Basketball Hosts Richmond Sunday At University Hall
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112704aaa.html 
     + Spiders visit U-Hall
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031779390141&path=%21sports 

     Chicago State 12/4


     DePaul 12/15
     Huskies end Demons' hex - NIU tops DePaul for first time since '91
 
http://nwitimes.com/articles/2004/11/28/sports/college_sports/9a3438263cb9ad2986
256f5a000314fc.txt 
     + Northern Illinois Hands DePaul Its First Loss
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=2&ID=1927 
     Seton Hall  12/19
     Men's Basketball Looks For First Victory Sunday at URI
      http://www.shupirates.com/sports/mbball/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=2342 

Women's BASKETBALL

     DePaul Defeats Northwestern, 118-49
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/112704aab.html 
     + Blue Demons Run Past Northwestern
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=8&ID=1928 

RECRUITING

     Ramon Diaz: Redskins can't solve JCA
 
http://www.morrisdailyherald.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=58&ArticleID=
12287 


VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats Spoil Boilermakers' Postseason Hopes, Win 3-2
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/112704aac.html 

MISCELLANY

     Generation Broke
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/investing/personalfinance/chi-0411270301n
ov28,1,7919489.story?coll=chi-businessyourmoney-hed 

You Can Help one of our own...

     Greg Kane, one of our former basketball writers is running in a
half-marathon to support his niece who has a rare degenerative 
     disease. You can help by sponsoring him in the race - Here's the link  if
you'd like to help. Thanks.
      http://www.atcp.org/Fundraising/Marathoners/KaneGreg.htm 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 28 09:09:22 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov 28 09:13:12 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] You saw it coming...
In-Reply-To: <158.44d45f69.2edb3295@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002401c4d55c$3e09e580$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

First off, all the talk about RW leaving is just idle talk - Randy has given no
indication that he plans to leave and Mark Murphy has given no indication in
public that he is displeased with the football team's performance under Walker.
Read the WGN postgame interviews on Purple Reign...

Anyway, there are few coaches out there who could actually handle all of the
higher standards imposed by NU on its recruiting, etc. Like him or not, Walker
does a good job with what he can get.

Many penalties come from kids who are trying harder than they can normally
perform. They over reach, and do something that draws the flag. NU has that
problem.

What was apparent last night was our lack of sheer speed. College football has
turned into a faster, stronger sport and NU is racing to catch up. Unfortunately
there are just not enough speed demons out there with the ability to get into
NU.

Go Cats - Thanks for the season

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of JHCCLARK@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:54 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] You saw it coming...
> 
> 
> Since 1971, the only times we have had a winning season 
> (1995, 1996, 2000)  
> are also the times we have had a Big Ten Championship.  That 
> streak is  still 
> alive.
>  
> The 6-6 "waiver" issue is no longer an issue.  With Syracuse 
> and  Southern 
> Miss winning, there are now 56 teams and no need for any 
> waivers, and  that 
> doesn't count 5-5 Tulane or 6-5 Hawaii.
>  
> Not sure how I feel about Walker, I go back and forth.  It is 
>  better than 
> the Dark Ages.  But I am getting really sick of RW's love  
> affair with penalties 
> (what was the final tally, 77 penalites for 1100 yards, or  
> something like 
> that?)  I just don't get it.  Other teams seem to win  
> without flirting with 
> self-destruction.  It seems odd that RW is "Mister  
> Discipline" but can't seem to 
> get his guys to take that to heart on the  field.
>  
> And all that talk before about RW leaving for greener pastures?
>  
> That guy at Boise State looks better and better, huh?
>  
> Hmmpph.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 28 15:27:34 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun Nov 28 15:31:23 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU at CU
Message-ID: <002701c4d591$14fc9bd0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

They're playing now,

You can hear the game at 
http://www.760thezone.com/listen/live.html

We're chatting at the normal spot

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 28 16:59:56 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov 28 17:03:50 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU at CU
References: <002701c4d591$14fc9bd0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <41AA586C.9080509@earthlink.net>

They're not playing anymore.  We lost, 66-57.  I just watched the game 
on Fox Sports Net, and we did not look very good.  We're now 1-3, and 
our three losses are to teams that also do not look very good.  I 
thought this was supposed to be the year when we might finally make the 
NCAA tournament.  I know it's early, but will someone who follows the 
basketball team more closely tell us what's going on?  Any chance of 
improvement? -- Jim B.

Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

>They're playing now,
>
>  
>



From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 28 17:08:49 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov 28 17:08:58 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] depression
Message-ID: <41AA5A81.6080908@earthlink.net>

Like many others on this list, I stayed up very late last night to watch 
our debacle against Hawaii.  To have our season end like that, well, 
it's just a very empty feeling.  My wife and I had started thinking 
about going to Nashville, and we were really hoping we could go.  We 
weren't overconfident, though, and we didn't book anything in advance. 
 I don't know, I really believed that if we needed to beat Hawaii to go 
to a bowl game, we would do it.  It must have been a terribly long 
flight home for our team.  When I go to work tomorrow, I'm wearing all 
black -- suit, shirt, tie, socks and shoes.  

That having been said, fire up for next September 3rd -- first game of 
the NU 2005 Big Ten championship season!      --   Jim B.


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 28 17:50:33 2004
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sun Nov 28 17:51:45 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Motor City?
In-Reply-To: <41AA5A81.6080908@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20041128235033.54297.qmail@web53808.mail.yahoo.com>

If MSU falls into the same trap we did at Hawaii, would a 6-6 Northwestern team
go to the Motor City Bowl, or would they take an at-large school?

Still Sobbing,
-Jim


		
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov 28 18:22:52 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov 28 18:22:54 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Motor City?
Message-ID: <200411290022.iAT0Mqti001244@romaine.tssi.com>

> If MSU falls into the same trap we did at Hawaii, would a 6-6 Northwestern team
> go to the Motor City Bowl, or would they take an at-large school?

I don't know that the NCAA has officially acknowledged the possibility
of there being insufficient teams for the bowls yet, and according to
another poster (either on this list or another list), there may be
JUST ENOUGH bowl-eligible teams to go around after factoring out Clemson
and S. Carolina.  

For the non-BCS conferences, this could be the year they either prove
their case for equality or prove one for continuing inequality.  

Auburn is looking more and more like the BCS's odd man out this year.  
That may mean Oklahoma's and Auburn's opponents in the Big XII and SEC 
championship games will be just that much more grist for the BCS mill.  
(Attention Gary B:  How high can you count?)

But I also have to admit that consecutive split national championships 
would be poetic justice.
--
Mike Nolan

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Sun Nov 28 19:55:32 2004
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Sun Nov 28 20:00:29 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] You saw it coming...
In-Reply-To: <002401c4d55c$3e09e580$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <002401c4d55c$3e09e580$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <41AA8194.8020906@hilgraeve.com>

Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

>First off, all the talk about RW leaving is just idle talk - Randy has given no
>indication that he plans to leave and Mark Murphy has given no indication in
>public that he is displeased with the football team's performance under Walker.
>Read the WGN postgame interviews on Purple Reign...
>  
>
I agree that after this past weekend we're likely to see RW on the NU 
sidelines again next year.

>Anyway, there are few coaches out there who could actually handle all of the
>higher standards imposed by NU on its recruiting, etc. Like him or not, Walker
>does a good job with what he can get.
>
>  
>
Your statement about recruiting is at the very least defeatist.  
Depending on how you meant it, it may also just be wrong.

There are two ways to take what you said about RW doing the best with 
what he could get. 

The first suggests that RW isn't able to get the best "admissible" kids 
available.  That may be true.

The second suggests that he is getting the best kids possible given NU 
admission standards.  I think this is what you meant, but this is just 
wrong.  As close as you are to the recruiting data, you should know it.

To prove it, I'll give you $100 for every kid recruited by NU this year 
that was the highest rated "admissible" kid by the services at his 
position and actually decided to come here.  In return, I want $50.00 
from you every time there was a higher rated "admissible" kid than the 
one who decided to come here.

The recruiting problems here are much more the result of not having a 
winning season for the past four years and RW's "old school" coaching 
style than admissions standards.  This is one of the top universities in 
the country.  An NU scholarship is now worth over $125,000.  RW has the 
luxury of talking with the families of some of the brightest high school 
football players in the country every year, but only can offer around 
twenty or so.  It should be a buyers market (NU as buyer), but NU isn't 
getting the best of the "admissible" kids every year.  It isn't nearly 
so important to know where they are going as it is to ask why they 
aren't coming here.

That's not to say that we aren't getting good kids.  They are good and 
willing to work hard, and those that buy into RW's NFL promise are 
leaving here in better shape than ever.  But there also does appear to 
be a "depth of talent" gap between the sorts of teams RW can put on the 
field and those of our competitors.  IMHO RW hasn't proven he knows how 
to solve this problem.

>What was apparent last night was our lack of sheer speed. College football has
>turned into a faster, stronger sport and NU is racing to catch up. Unfortunately
>there are just not enough speed demons out there with the ability to get into NU.
>  
>
Why not?

How many do you think we need?

I'm really hoping you didn't mean what you just said.  Do you really 
think that the best 40 times only belong to the intellectually 
challenged?  Is there some genetic or racial relationship between quick 
twitch muscles and IQ that I'm unaware of?  I thought we moved past that 
stuff a long time ago.  I'm hoping this was the result of staying up too 
late to watch a football game and not something you're willing to 
attempt to defend. 

In terms of sheer entertainment value, though, it was a heck of a season!

Jeff


From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov 28 22:18:23 2004
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov 28 22:19:11 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Not enough bowl-eligible teams?
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20041128230641.036bc090@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>


>Northwestern [6-5] (vs. Hawaii)
>Syracuse [5-5] (vs. Boston College)
>South Florida [4-5] (vs. Memphis, Pittsburgh)
>Southern Miss [5-4] (vs. UAB, California)
>TCU [5-5] (vs. Tulane)
>Tulane [4-5] (vs. TCU, Louisville)
>Hawaii [5-5] (vs. Northwestern, Michigan State)

For the record, let's update with results of Saturday's games, reordering 
by record/eligibility and adding MSU:

Syracuse [6-5] (Regular season over; eligible)
Southern Miss [6-4] (vs. California; eligible regardless)
Hawaii [6-5] (vs. Michigan State; needs win to be eligible)
Northwestern [6-6] (Regular season over)
Tulane [5-5] (vs. Louisville; technically on the bubble, but shouldn't 
finish eligible)
MSU [5-6] (vs. Hawaii; could make it to .500 and the bubble with a win)
TCU [5-6] (Regular season over; not eligible)
South Florida [4-6] (vs. Pittsburgh; not eligible)

By conference, here is the breakdown of bowl-eligible/on-the-bubble teams:

ACC: 7 eligible / 0 on the bubble
Big East: 5 / 0
Big Ten: 6 / 2 (NU, MSU; I'm counting potential 6-6 teams as bubble)
Big XII: 7 / 0
Conf-USA: 5 / 1 (Tulane)
MAC: 6 / 0
MWC: 3 / 0
Pac-10: 5 / 0
SEC: 7 / 0
Sun Belt: 2 / 0
WAC: 3 / 1 (Hawaii)
Independents: 2 / 0

By my count, that's 58 eligible teams already.  Take out Clemson and South 
Carolina, that leaves exactly 56 with Tulane and Hawaii as the only bubble 
teams with a mathematical chance of being over .500.  With the Cardinals as 
Tulane's only remaining game, I'm not counting on that being a win.  I 
didn't account for anyone who may be on probation.  Are there any of those?

So the NCAA will have a choice: Force the bowls to fill the stands with 
MAC, Sun Belt, MWC, and WAC teams, or make some kind of exception to the 
rule.  From the standpoint of principle, they should stick to their 
guns.  56 slots, 56 teams; sounds like the system worked.  <smirk, snigger>

If they make an exception they should start with the one that's used in 
12-game seasons, i.e. a .500 team can be used to fulfill a conference's 
contractual ties.  The thing is, because most schools played an 11-game 
schedule this year, that exception would only affect NU and (if they beat 
Hawaii next week) MSU.  Of course, the Big Ten won't have enough 
contractual slots to actually use both of those teams, so NU could still be 
the odd man out if Sparty beats Hawaii and goes to Detroit.  If MSU loses, 
that forces us to the MCB for the second straight year.

If the NCAA says that any 6-6 team can go, that still only affects NU, MSU, 
and Hawaii if MSU wins and only us if Hawaii wins.  The only difference 
between "6-6 to fill contractual ties" and "any 6-6" is that with the 
former, Hawaii could be left out if they beat the Spartans.

The next most-logical exception would be allowing 6-6 or 5-6 teams with 
winning (or maybe .500) conference records to fulfill conference 
tie-ins.  But that would only affect NU and a handful of teams from the 
lesser conferences that don't have conference tie-ins.  Even if you 
eliminate the tie-in requirement, most are highly unlikely to get picked 
anyway.  (BYU would be the only one with any pedigree or name 
recognition.)  The other minor variation on this is 6-6 or 5-6 overall and 
.500 or better conference records, but the only name team that adds is Oregon.

Bottom line?  If the NCAA makes any kind of exception, unless it's 
something strange like 6-6 or 5-6 with a winning non-conference record, 
then NU should be eligible.  Whether we're in depends on the blazer 
boys.  But they really shouldn't make an exception if they have the 
numbers.  Between Utah in the BCS and this, let it be the year of the 
little guy.

Michael, CAS '91
mailto:michael@vance.com

From TyJLevine at aol.com  Sun Nov 28 22:38:49 2004
From: TyJLevine at aol.com (TyJLevine@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 28 22:42:51 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] anyone see this
Message-ID: <1e0.300b08cc.2edc01d9@aol.com>

A little different on the farm.

Coach is a friend of the AD
Recruits better than Walker
3 seasons and that's it for Teevens at Stanford.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1934023
From johnl at mac.com  Sun Nov 28 22:43:02 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sun Nov 28 22:43:20 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] You saw it coming...
In-Reply-To: <41AA8194.8020906@hilgraeve.com>
References: <002401c4d55c$3e09e580$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
	<41AA8194.8020906@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <27422890-41C1-11D9-B75F-000A95960BF2@mac.com>

I think this is good analysis.  Although I'm fairly satisfied with 
Walker, I tend to agree that it's not true that we're recruiting the 
best possible players even given our admission standards.  Of course, 
the pool is much smaller, which serves to reduce the batting average, 
so to speak.  No school is able to recruit the best possible admissible 
kid at every position.

The main reason I post, though, is somewhat non-sports related.  When 
you said an NU scholarship is now worth over $125,000, I suspect you 
were just estimating at what you thought was a pretty high number.  
Well, a full-ride 4-year scholarship would actually be worth over 
$180,000 (figuring an increase of 5% a year over the current rates 
($170,000 if you just multiply this year's rates times 4)).  Can you 
believe that undergrad tuition alone is now $30,000 a year?  I don't 
have any kids yet, but I'd better start saving!  See 
http://ug-finaid.northwestern.edu/components.html.

Back to football: I think I'm more upset about this loss than any 
football loss ever.  I'm not sure why.  Probably because it's the only 
time that one game meant a bowl or no bowl, and we lost.  (Even if we 
had lost last year's Illinois game, I don't think I would have been as 
upset, because the overall season wasn't as good.)  Plus, this was a 
game we didn't need to play.  It couldn't help us, it could only hurt 
us, which it did.  Plus, we didn't play a great game, and  I thought 
some of our coaching was off.  Plus, the officiating stunk the place 
up, including the game-winning INT, which I think hit the ground.  
Plus, I was already planning my trip to Nashville (but I'm not a 
complete idiot, those Southwest tickets are completely changeable, with 
no penalty).

Time to focus on the court Cats.  Of course, I watched their first 
defeat today.  It's a low day for NU sports.



> The recruiting problems here are much more the result of not having a 
> winning season for the past four years and RW's "old school" coaching 
> style than admissions standards.  This is one of the top universities 
> in the country.  An NU scholarship is now worth over $125,000. 
>  

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 28 23:49:04 2004
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sun Nov 28 23:50:14 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] speed demons heading elsewhere
Message-ID: <20041129054904.80995.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com>

To (partially) defend coach Roy here it may be that
the really fast kids don't want to play in cold
weather on fields where their speed may be negated by
snow, rain, etc. And if it's true that most CFB speed
comes from Florida and California I can see why NU
might not get most of them. Joe Paterno said earlier
this year he didn't recruit two stud receivers in
Florida because "heck, they're not coming here," and I
suspect RW would sympathize.

Also, there's a perception (partially true; see
NU-PSU) that the Big Ten plays a stodgier style of
game, and a boy with 4.4 speed may find his skills
better used at, well, Hawaii or TCU, say, than NU.
It's also probably not a coincidence that the fastest
Big Ten team I can remember was Ohio State's national
champions.

I insist where NU most needs a speed infusion is
d-back, BTW.

Brad Wilson

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From BSchooler at aol.com  Mon Nov 29 01:08:34 2004
From: BSchooler at aol.com (BSchooler@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 29 01:12:36 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] You saw it coming...
Message-ID: <13e.742c173.2edc24f2@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/28/2004 9:31:16 AM Central Standard Time, 
rstetson@capps-assoc.com writes:

I haven't posted to this list in nearly a year, but Roy Lamberton's recent 
post requires a response. Roy wrote:

> First off, all the talk about RW leaving is just idle talk - Randy has 
> given no
> indication that he plans to leave and Mark Murphy has given no indication in
> public that he is displeased with the football team's performance under 
> Walker.
> Read the WGN postgame interviews on Purple Reign...

I challenge Roy or anyone else to find any independent verification outside 
Randy Walker's own quotes in the newspaper that corroborate any 
serious/legitimate interest from anyone else in hiring Randy Walker away from Northwestern. 
If there is such corroboration, I will publicly apologize on this List Serve. 
But I won't have to publicly apologize because this is a Randy Walker 
fabrication. BTW, this isn't the first time RW has pulled this stunt since he has been 
at Northwestern. A couple years ago, he went to the newspapers to let us know 
about alleged job offers. Let me ask all of you something. If there was 
serious/legitimate interest from another school in hiring Randy Walker, would he 
blab about it to the Chicago papers? Of course not. Randy Walker's self-promoting 
claims of job offers/feelers in the Chicago papers say more about his 
character, or lack thereof, than they do about the demand for his services as a 
coach. This was nothing more than a cheap, transparent attempt by Randy Walker to 
rally support for himself. If I were Mark Murphy, I'd seriously consider firing 
Randy Walker for having gone to the Chicago papers about job offers/feelers 
whether legitimate or not.


> 
> Anyway, there are few coaches out there who could actually handle all of the
> higher standards imposed by NU on its recruiting, etc. Like him or not, 
> Walker
> does a good job with what he can get.

If Randy Walker isn't one of the "few coaches out there who could actually 
handle all of the higher standards imposed by NU on its recruiting", then he 
should be fired. However, I don't believe RW falls into this category. 
Northwestern's "higher standards" is a red herring. There are plenty of highly regarded 
recruits who could get admitted to Northwestern, would want to matriculate at 
Northwestern and play Big Ten football at one of the nation's premier 
universities. No, the main problem with recruiting is that Randy Walker is a lousy 
recruiter. He's a stubborn bully and potential recruits can see that he hasn't 
done a "good job with what he can get".

> 
> Many penalties come from kids who are trying harder than they can normally
> perform. They over reach, and do something that draws the flag. NU has that
> problem.

Perhaps. But what Coach Roy has described are kids who are playing without 
discipline. One of the most important responsibilities of a Head Coach is to get 
his players to perform within their capabilities. For six years under Randy 
Walker, we've seen an inordinate number of stupid penalties. That's a lack of 
discipline which is a direct result of poor coaching. For crying out loud; 
Northwestern has earned a reputation as a dirty team under Randy Walker. And no, I 
don't attribute the stupid penalties to over aggressiveness, either.

> 
> What was apparent last night was our lack of sheer speed. College football 
> has
> turned into a faster, stronger sport and NU is racing to catch up. 
> Unfortunately
> there are just not enough speed demons out there with the ability to get 
> into
> NU.
> 

First of all, Northwestern has improved overall team speed to the point where 
we are at least average. Sure, we could use faster players. But who couldn't? 
Lack of speed didn't seem to be an insurmountable problem against Ohio State 
- the fastest team in the Big Ten. No, the real problem is poor coaching and 
ineffectual schemes; not lack of speed. Good coaches design schemes that allow 
players to be successful within their capabilities. Our defensive and 
offensive game plans against Hawaii were pathetic. More troubling, however, is Roy's 
contention that "there are just not enough speed demons out there with the 
ability to get into NU". Is the implication that fast players are not as 
intelligent as slow players? Or is the implication that fast players are Black players 
of whom there are "not enough . . . out there with the ability to get into 
NU". If it's the latter, I dispute this implication. There are plenty of fast 
African American student athletes out there. If there aren't enough of them at 
Northwestern, the problem is Randy Walker's recruiting. If Randy Walker can't 
convince qualified black student athletes to attend Northwestern, we need to 
replace him with a coach who can.

Bob Schooler 
From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 29 08:42:07 2004
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon Nov 29 08:43:21 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] You saw it coming...
In-Reply-To: <13e.742c173.2edc24f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041129144208.21242.qmail@web53806.mail.yahoo.com>

First off, I'd like to welcome Bob back to the list. 

After the first or second game I sent a message to this list with the subject
"7 games". My main point in that message was that we had a defense that could
win 7 games and an offense that could lose 7 games and that the difference
between those two scenarios would come down to coaching. Now, at 6-6 with no
bowl game to look forward, I think that's exactly what we saw. 

I don't think Randy Walker has set the world on fire with recruiting and I
don't think he's a great game day coach. Heck, by the second half of the Hawaii
game it was obvious that we needed to double or triple team Chad "Terrell"
Owens, and from what I could see the Cats made no adjustments. 

If Randy Walker were to leave, I think NU could find a better recruiter out
there somewhere. But, I don't think Murphy will make any moves this off season.

With respect to recruiting speed, I don't know that it truly boils down to a
racial/academic issue and I don't assume that is what Coach Roy meant. We can
all agree that at the college and NFL levels you see more black athletes in
speed positions than you do white athletes. And you could certainly argue that
GENERALLY white students receive the better side of the public education system
than black students. Still, I think the real problem for NU is that the really,
really fast high school players have the NFL on their radar and Northwestern
doesn't appear to be the best way to get to the NFL. 

Here's to a long off season of good list banter!

Best,
-Jim








		
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 29 09:02:36 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 29 09:06:27 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] You saw it coming...
In-Reply-To: <41AA8194.8020906@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c4d624$76cab7a0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Maybe we should change the "speed demon" reference below, but what I was
alluding to was that many Div I prospects don't realize they need decent grades
until its too late.

There is an attitude among many HS students, [and I'm sorry this might offend
some around here] particularly those of african descent, that think they don't
need to study and get good grades because they're going to go to the pros and
make millions. They are all very talented athletes, but somewhere they get the
idea that they didn't have to work at anything but football [or basketball] 

I've heard it on the sidelines from parents who are distraught because their kid
isn't starting. Gee - the kid doesn't put out the effort to start, and besides
he's about to flunk off the team because of poor performance in the classroom.
This case was a black kid, but I've had white kids with the same "don't need to
study" attitude who are smart enough, they just didn't care about school [and
their future] enough.

I think even Jesse Jackson made the comment once that if Black kids put as much
effort into studies as playing basketball, we would have black scientists
running the major research programs, but I still see kids with NBA dreams
shooting hoops until dark instead of hitting the books. Any kid who puts out the
effort to study is branded with a negative stigma by all races - the ones who
rise to the top are always denigrated because they put out the effort, just look
around at the present political arena.

So how does that relate to NU recruiting. 

Many kids, who are smart enough to attend NU, never take the effort to get the
grades and work on improving SAT or ACT scores.

There was a young poor black kid in Baltimore who wanted to attend Maryland - he
raised his SATs by almost 500 points by taking a class. He wanted to get into a
college that wasn't going to bend its rules. He was smart enough, and good
enough to make the NBA, but he also realized at the last minute that he had to
have the grades and the SAT score. He did it and that effort should be what is
heralded, not his performance at the NCAA tournament.

Many Black Kids, who are smart enough to attend NU, and who play football, and
who have the grades and SATs will go to other top programs, who also covet their
mental and physical abilities. They go elsewhere because NU has a reputation of
being a "white bread" school. The Daily has even run a series on Black Athletes
not being involved in the "black" activities enough.

Yes, NU has a rep as an "old school" type program under Randy Walker, but we had
the "new school" coaching approach all through the 70's and 80's. We didn't win,
and we didn't recruit well. You want to return to that?

NU has a great message right now - "Come to NU and help us advance to the next
level. We're a tough program, we'll demand 110% from you, but in return you get
a great education, and maybe a look from the pros, just like at any other Big 10
College but even so, you'll have that degree when you're done."

I don't know if Randy Walker floated the idea that he might leave if offered a
better deal somewhere. I suspect its one of the beat writers looking for some
news and asking the question, but regardless of what you think, Walker and Co.
does a lot with what we recruit, and every class may not appear to be great on
the surface, but seems to turn out decent players after a redshirt and 2 years.

The last time Walker was asked about his future plans was right before the
contract extension, where he got a raise, but more important pushed for, and got
raises for all of the assistants. That could be in the works again.

Walker has the Cats at .500 with his current talent. I don't want to go back to
the 3-8, 2-9, 3-7, 5-7 and 3-9 records that St. Gary provided around his two Big
10 Champ years. This year we beat some pretty good Big 10 teams, all of whom
garnered bowl bids. Had we not scheduled Hawai'i, we'd be bowling too.

I'm not a big fan of changing coaches. I've seen schools with a merry go round,
and I've seem the same schools with the same coach for a long time - They were
given time and most of them got the program going, and kept it going for a long
time. Personally, I'd rather have RW around until one of our alums - like Fitz -
is ready to take over the program at NU.

rsl

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> >What was apparent last night was our lack of sheer speed. College 
> >football has turned into a faster, stronger sport and NU is 
> racing to 
> >catch up. Unfortunately there are just not enough speed demons out 
> >there with the ability to get into NU.
> >  
> >
> Why not?
> 
> How many do you think we need?
> 
> I'm really hoping you didn't mean what you just said.  Do you really 
> think that the best 40 times only belong to the intellectually 
> challenged?  Is there some genetic or racial relationship 
> between quick 
> twitch muscles and IQ that I'm unaware of?  I thought we 
> moved past that 
> stuff a long time ago.  I'm hoping this was the result of 
> staying up too 
> late to watch a football game and not something you're willing to 
> attempt to defend. 
> 
> In terms of sheer entertainment value, though, it was a heck 
> of a season!
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 29 09:09:14 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 29 09:13:04 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 11/29
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** Weekend Wrap Edition **
Men's Basketball loses, Football no bowl fallout, Volleyball gets a win,
Recruiting updates, Women's Basketball - Looking ahead and even some alumni news
today...

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Men's BASKETBALL

     Northwestern Falls to Colorado, 66-57
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112804aab.html 
     + NU Shuffled by the Buffalos 57-66
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/323718.html 
     + Freshman burns Cats
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041128nugamer,1,444279
1.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Colorado topples Northwestern despite big effort from Vukusic
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cage29.html 
     + Colorado's late 9-0 run puts away Northwestern
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=3832070 
     + Gophers happy it's Nashville
      http://www.startribune.com/stories/512/5108718.html 
     + Box score
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041128nubox,1,7105558.
htmlstory?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     Opportunity and pride at stake for Big Ten
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-big29.html 

from the Colorado Buffs:

     Big day for the Buffaloes...
     COLORADO DEFEATS NORTHWESTERN 66-57
      http://www.cubuffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=600&ATCLID=89395 
     $ Men's Hoops: CU 66, Northwestern 57
      http://colorado.scout.com/2/323741.html 
     + New lineup sinks Wildcats
 
http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/cu_mens_basketball/article/0,1713,BDC_2523_336119
2,00.html 
     + Copeland's 'do keys CU
 
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/cu/article/0,1299,DRMN_2938_3361036,00.htm
l 

Looking Ahead:

     2004 Big Ten-ACC Challenge
 
http://www.fansonly.com/schools/big10/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112804aab.html 
     The Cats get...
     Virginia 12/1 
     Virginia Rolls Over Richmond, 85-58
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112804aaa.html 
     + Smith & Hoos Stomp Spiders 85-58
      http://virginia.scout.com/2/323675.html 
     + UVa, Smith deliver 3s for Gillen
 
http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_Ba
sicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031779400201&path=%21sports 
     + Cavs dispatch Spiders
 
http://virginiasports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112804aaa.html 

     Chicago State 12/4 
     Next game is Wednesday

     DePaul 12/15 
     Northern Illinois Hands DePaul Its First Loss
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=2&ID=1927 

     Seton Hall  12/19 
     Men's Basketball Defeats Rhode Island, 59-49
      http://www.shupirates.com/sports/mbball/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=2344 

Women's BASKETBALL

     Its Wildcats vs Wildcats
     Next Game is against Kentucky on Wednesday at 5 PM at home. Here's some
past game info...
     No. 17 Rutgers Too Much For [KY] Cats
 
http://www.ukathletics.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=46&url_article_id=14288&u
rl_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2 
     + Wildcats Fall To South Dakota State in Final Seconds
 
http://www.ukathletics.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=46&url_article_id=14273&u
rl_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2 
     + Potts Leads Wildcats to Comeback Win
 
http://www.ukathletics.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=46&url_article_id=14269&u
rl_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2 

FOOTBALL

     Wildcats' Bowl Hopes Dashed By Hawaii, 49-41
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/112804aaa.html 
     + Out of bowl mix, NU looks ahead
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041128nu,1,2875465.sto
ry?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Wildcats can't stop Owens, fall to Hawaii
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041127nugamer,1,391850
2.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Cats go long way for nothing
      http://www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-nu29.html 
     + NU goes long distance for tough end to season 
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intid=3832058 

     Sports XChange: Wildcats report: Inside slant
      http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/report/NW/7940849 
     + Notes, quotes
      http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/report/NW/7940851 
     + Strategy and personnel
      http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/teams/report/NW/7940852 

Commentary:

     Mandel: is dangerously low
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/stewart_mandel/11/28/weekend.revie
w/index.html 
     FEW: Anonymous Negative Vibes from the Mailbag 
     http://www.fareastwildcat.com/ 

[We're in Reading Week, so the Daily is done for the year]

RECRUITING

     Chris Jeske: Jeske, mates feel invincible after blanking Morris
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/cs-041127prepfbcl5atit
le,1,3279417.story?coll=cs-highschool-promo 
     + JCA wins second straight title
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=323716&nid=1092130&fhn=1 

     Rick Albreski Schedules Visit to MAC School
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=323909&nid=1549017&fhn=1 
     Eric Peterman Receives High Praise From Coach
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=323683&nid=1230970&fhn=1 
     Justin Thornton Re-Schedules Missouri Visit
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=323670&nid=1272629&fhn=1 


VOLLEYBALL

     Wildcats Spoil Boilermakers' Postseason Hopes, Win 3-2
      http://nusports.collegesports.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/112704aac.html 

MISCELLANY

     Teevens' fate at Stanford could be known Monday 
      http://www.foxsports.com/story/3198384 

ALUMNI

     Javiar Collins Not a Surprise
      http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=9&c=2&cid=323659&nid=1573109&fhn=1 

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     Greg Kane, one of our former basketball writers is running in a
half-marathon to support his niece who has a rare degenerative disease. You can
help by sponsoring him in the race - Here's the link  if 
     you'd like to help. Thanks.
      http://www.atcp.org/Fundraising/Marathoners/KaneGreg.htm 
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 29 09:36:24 2004
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 29 09:41:21 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] speed demons heading elsewhere
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Those of us who live in the cold are too willing to accept as fact that 
warm-weather kids don't want to play in the cold, but I think it really 
depends on the kid.  We've recruited plenty of warm weather kids who 
could have played other warmer places.  If anything, our need to recruit 
smart kids who value education is going to go a long way towards 
overcoming an emotional bias to cold weather.  The 2004 recruiting class 
supports that claim.  8 of the 13 recruits were from warm weather states.

I also don't accept your premise that kids in Florida or California are 
inherently faster than kids anywhere else in the country.  It may seem 
like more football players come from those parts of the country, but it 
is as much to do with their large HS populations as it does the fact 
that they can play 12 months a year. 

The two fastest kids on our team right now come from Ohio (Jeff Backes) 
and Michigan (Kim Thompson).  Thompson won the 100M HS state meet in 
2003 setting a record (So much for not being able to recruit speed to NU).

Teddy Ginn (OSU) who is probably the fastest kid in the BT is from 
Cleveland.

Being faster than everyone else is a genetic gift, just like being 
smarter than everyone else.  Statistically these gifts are going to be 
spread more or less evenly thoughout the population regardless of 
region.  Our challenge every year is to find twenty or so good football 
players who are smart and fast.  This may be a larger challenge than the 
state schools that we compete with, but we've got a lot more to offer 
than those schools too.  And we have the ability to recruit nationally 
for smart kids in a way that our other BT rivals (with perhaps the 
exception of Michigan) can't.

Jeff




Brad Wilson wrote:

>To (partially) defend coach Roy here it may be that
>the really fast kids don't want to play in cold
>weather on fields where their speed may be negated by
>snow, rain, etc. And if it's true that most CFB speed
>comes from Florida and California I can see why NU
>might not get most of them. Joe Paterno said earlier
>this year he didn't recruit two stud receivers in
>Florida because "heck, they're not coming here," and I
>suspect RW would sympathize.
>
>Also, there's a perception (partially true; see
>NU-PSU) that the Big Ten plays a stodgier style of
>game, and a boy with 4.4 speed may find his skills
>better used at, well, Hawaii or TCU, say, than NU.
>It's also probably not a coincidence that the fastest
>Big Ten team I can remember was Ohio State's national
>champions.
>
>I insist where NU most needs a speed infusion is
>d-back, BTW.
>
>Brad Wilson
>
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From Sanford_Stein at rush.edu  Mon Nov 29 09:41:25 2004
From: Sanford_Stein at rush.edu (Sanford_Stein@rush.edu)
Date: Mon Nov 29 09:41:46 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-conference play
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Since the Wildcats' non-conference performance is what cost them
a bowl game, I took a look at Randy Walker's record outside the
BigTen:  His W-L record is 10-12 (including bowl games).

Five of those victories are over Duke, and none of the others are
very impressive.

Is it possible that RW is tailoring his recruiting and/or coaching to
the Big Ten style of play, and putting us at a disadvantage when
we play outside the conference?  Any thoughts?

                        SS

From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Mon Nov 29 11:10:17 2004
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Mon Nov 29 11:12:53 2004
Subject: Fw: [NU Sports] Non-conference play
Message-ID: <20041129.091024.10511.198063@webmail28.nyc.untd.com>


Stanford Stein writes...
>Is it possible that RW is tailoring his recruiting and/or coaching to
>the Big Ten style of play, and putting us at a disadvantage when
>we play outside the conference?  Any thoughts?

RW is the Anti-Mason.

I think the situation is the same in basketball.  How can we beat Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, Purdue and lose to Nowhere State?

I think we need only 1 challenging non-conference game in football and no more than 2 in basketball.  In football we need the 2 or 3 wins vs. Joke U. each year to have any hope at a bowl.  In basketball we need to be 9-2 or better to have a tournament chance(NIT or NCAA).

I know that games vs. Nobdoy State do not draw fans, but playing ASU, Kansas, Air Force, Stanford, Boston College, TCU, etc. do not draw fans either.  The only non-cons that would draw fans are Notre Shame and maybe some of the small Illinois schools(NIU, SIU, Ill. State, etc.).

I can stand a few bad-bad non-con losses to beat tOSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ill-noise.

As for the Hawaii game my wife is of the opinion that Dunbar should be sacked for such a poor gameplan.  As emphasized on other posts -- RUN THE BALL!!!!!!!!  We were really disappointed, but it is more from being teased than being unhappy with the season.  These were magnificient conference results(5-3) and the home games we saw were exciting with good results.

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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Mon Nov 29 12:07:04 2004
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Mon Nov 29 12:07:59 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-conference play
In-Reply-To: <20041129.091024.10511.198063@webmail28.nyc.untd.com>
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The problem is we're not exactly scheduling non-conference powerhouses in
either sport.  Let's take a look at the non-conference schedule this year.
TCU is not going to a bowl game, ASU was a top 20 team and fits your one
good non-con opponent and Kansas is clearly a long-term bottom feeder for a
game that was probably scheduled years ago.  Should Kansas be replaced by a
Sun Belt team?  Probably so, and TCU should probably be replaced by Duke or
Army or Tulane.  I think the schedule should probably have one "guarantee"
home game against a low level D-I team, one game (home and away series)
against a peer institution, which we should usually win, and one game
against a legitimate opponent on a home and away basis.

Basketball is starting out with the same problem that kept us out of the
tournament last year - losing non-conference games that we should win.  The
non-conference schedule was not all that difficult to begin with and with
the losses piling up before Thompson gains eligibility, our RPI is really
going to suffer.  We can only hope that the end of the quarter comes
quickly.

I think long-term as Carmody's recruiting picks up and he has a full
complement of players, he will begin to ratchet up the non-conference
portion of the schedule.  He has renewed the series with DePaul this year
for example.  It will take a little longer in BBall as he needs to be a
little more careful in how he schedules.

Mark
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Stanford Stein writes...
>Is it possible that RW is tailoring his recruiting and/or coaching to
>the Big Ten style of play, and putting us at a disadvantage when
>we play outside the conference?  Any thoughts?

RW is the Anti-Mason.

I think the situation is the same in basketball.  How can we beat Illinois,
Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, Purdue and lose to Nowhere State?

I think we need only 1 challenging non-conference game in football and no
more than 2 in basketball.  In football we need the 2 or 3 wins vs. Joke U.
each year to have any hope at a bowl.  In basketball we need to be 9-2 or
better to have a tournament chance(NIT or NCAA).

I know that games vs. Nobdoy State do not draw fans, but playing ASU,
Kansas, Air Force, Stanford, Boston College, TCU, etc. do not draw fans
either.  The only non-cons that would draw fans are Notre Shame and maybe
some of the small Illinois schools(NIU, SIU, Ill. State, etc.).

I can stand a few bad-bad non-con losses to beat tOSU, Michigan, Wisconsin,
and Ill-noise.

As for the Hawaii game my wife is of the opinion that Dunbar should be
sacked for such a poor gameplan.  As emphasized on other posts -- RUN THE
BALL!!!!!!!!  We were really disappointed, but it is more from being teased
than being unhappy with the season.  These were magnificient conference
results(5-3) and the home games we saw were exciting with good results.

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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 29 12:34:11 2004
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Nov 29 12:35:17 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: when 41 points just isn't enough [rant]
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> As for the Hawaii game my wife is of the opinion that Dunbar should be
> sacked for such a poor gameplan.  As emphasized on other posts -- RUN
> THE BALL!!!!!!!!

<rant>

...because dammit, 41 points can't reasonably be expected by anyone to win
a football game.  That's right folks, when our offense scores 41 points
and the team loses, we point the fingers at the OC.  It's because of our
superior intellectual abilities that we as NU fans can avoid placing blame
on a defense that gave up 49 points.

Nosirreebob, we know that those 49 points are the offense's fault.  In
fact, let's all take a moment to say three cheers for Greg Colby and Jerry
Brown.  I at this moment am taking off my hat to their superior defensive
gameplan.

And let's fire that hack Dunbar.  I mean, really.  Only 41 points?
Frances Peay would've scored 50 on those Rainbows!  By himself!  With
Dennis Green tied behind his back!

;-)

Mmm... recriminations.

</rant>

Jonathan

From johnl at mac.com  Mon Nov 29 12:39:55 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Mon Nov 29 12:40:08 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] You saw it coming...
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What the heck are you talking about?  The article I read, which I'm sure is the one you're now referring to, consisted of speculation by the reporter that with a winning season, Walker might be considered by other schools.  Walker's response was that he wasn't looking, but that like anyone else he had a price, although he wasn't sure what it was, but he suggested it would have to be high to get him to leave Northwestern.

I think your response to this article is a little out of whack.

There's no mention of any offers whatsoever anywhere in the article.  The only speculation is by the reporter, and then on this list when someone posted a thread entitled "Walker leaving," which mistated the article altogether.

Here's the link:
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-041123nu,1,1892420.story?coll=cs-college-headlines

How can you possibly construe this as you do?  It looks like Walker was just asked a few questions at a press conference and he gave some answers that suggest the opposite of what you indicate he said.  What quote of his is a "fabrication?"






On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 02:17AM, <BSchooler@aol.com> wrote:

>In a message dated 11/28/2004 9:31:16 AM Central Standard Time, 
>rstetson@capps-assoc.com writes:
>
>I haven't posted to this list in nearly a year, but Roy Lamberton's recent 
>post requires a response. Roy wrote:
>
>> First off, all the talk about RW leaving is just idle talk - Randy has 
>> given no
>> indication that he plans to leave and Mark Murphy has given no indication in
>> public that he is displeased with the football team's performance under 
>> Walker.
>> Read the WGN postgame interviews on Purple Reign...
>
>I challenge Roy or anyone else to find any independent verification outside 
>Randy Walker's own quotes in the newspaper that corroborate any 
>serious/legitimate interest from anyone else in hiring Randy Walker away from Northwestern. 
>If there is such corroboration, I will publicly apologize on this List Serve. 
>But I won't have to publicly apologize because this is a Randy Walker 
>fabrication. BTW, this isn't the first time RW has pulled this stunt since he has been 
>at Northwestern. A couple years ago, he went to the newspapers to let us know 
>about alleged job offers. Let me ask all of you something. If there was 
>serious/legitimate interest from another school in hiring Randy Walker, would he 
>blab about it to the Chicago papers? Of course not. Randy Walker's self-promoting 
>claims of job offers/feelers in the Chicago papers say more about his 
>character, or lack thereof, than they do about the demand for his services as a 
>coach. This was nothing more than a cheap, transparent attempt by Randy Walker to 
>rally support for himself. If I were Mark Murphy, I'd seriously consider firing 
>Randy Walker for having gone to the Chicago papers about job offers/feelers 
>whether legitimate or not.
>
>
>> 
>> Anyway, there are few coaches out there who could actually handle all of the
>> higher standards imposed by NU on its recruiting, etc. Like him or not, 
>> Walker
>> does a good job with what he can get.
>
>If Randy Walker isn't one of the "few coaches out there who could actually 
>handle all of the higher standards imposed by NU on its recruiting", then he 
>should be fired. However, I don't believe RW falls into this category. 
>Northwestern's "higher standards" is a red herring. There are plenty of highly regarded 
>recruits who could get admitted to Northwestern, would want to matriculate at 
>Northwestern and play Big Ten football at one of the nation's premier 
>universities. No, the main problem with recruiting is that Randy Walker is a lousy 
>recruiter. He's a stubborn bully and potential recruits can see that he hasn't 
>done a "good job with what he can get".
>
>> 
>> Many penalties come from kids who are trying harder than they can normally
>> perform. They over reach, and do something that draws the flag. NU has that
>> problem.
>
>Perhaps. But what Coach Roy has described are kids who are playing without 
>discipline. One of the most important responsibilities of a Head Coach is to get 
>his players to perform within their capabilities. For six years under Randy 
>Walker, we've seen an inordinate number of stupid penalties. That's a lack of 
>discipline which is a direct result of poor coaching. For crying out loud; 
>Northwestern has earned a reputation as a dirty team under Randy Walker. And no, I 
>don't attribute the stupid penalties to over aggressiveness, either.
>
>> 
>> What was apparent last night was our lack of sheer speed. College football 
>> has
>> turned into a faster, stronger sport and NU is racing to catch up. 
>> Unfortunately
>> there are just not enough speed demons out there with the ability to get 
>> into
>> NU.
>> 
>
>First of all, Northwestern has improved overall team speed to the point where 
>we are at least average. Sure, we could use faster players. But who couldn't? 
>Lack of speed didn't seem to be an insurmountable problem against Ohio State 
>- the fastest team in the Big Ten. No, the real problem is poor coaching and 
>ineffectual schemes; not lack of speed. Good coaches design schemes that allow 
>players to be successful within their capabilities. Our defensive and 
>offensive game plans against Hawaii were pathetic. More troubling, however, is Roy's 
>contention that "there are just not enough speed demons out there with the 
>ability to get into NU". Is the implication that fast players are not as 
>intelligent as slow players? Or is the implication that fast players are Black players 
>of whom there are "not enough . . . out there with the ability to get into 
>NU". If it's the latter, I dispute this implication. There are plenty of fast 
>African American student athletes out there. If there aren't enough of them at 
>Northwestern, the problem is Randy Walker's recruiting. If Randy Walker can't 
>convince qualified black student athletes to attend Northwestern, we need to 
>replace him with a coach who can.
>
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 29 13:50:24 2004
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov 29 13:51:36 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-con scheduling
In-Reply-To: <b9.4ba6bd99.2ed668c2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041129195024.92572.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com>

The question of non-conference football schedule is really moot for
anything like the near-term time frame, assuming Far East's info:

http://www.fareastwildcat.com/Schedule2004.html

is accurate. Things are set through 2009, and partially set out to
2013. Although there are perhaps too many familiar faces on the
upcoming slates, I'd say the schedules look just about right to me. 

Overall, I'd say the 2005 slate looks a little easier than 2004 (not
easy, mind you, but easier). 

Personally, I liked this year's non-con schedule. Although TCU ended up
having a tough year, TCU, ASU, and Kansas were all perfectly
respectable, challenging, mid-level opponents. The Cats easily could
have won all 3 games. A couple breaks go our way in those first two
games, and the Hawaii game would have just been an unfortunate bump in
a bowl-bound road.

Never seen anything like this year. I probably said this before, but if
you changed the outcome of just one or two plays per game, we could
*easily* be 9 and 3. Or 0 and 12. 

Tom

From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Mon Nov 29 14:29:26 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov 29 14:35:45 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: when 41 points just isn't enough [rant]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411291202160.22958@localhost>
References: <20041129.091024.10511.198063@webmail28.nyc.untd.com>
	<20041129.091024.10511.198063@webmail28.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300bdd133423443@[66.170.161.21]>

>> As for the Hawaii game my wife is of the opinion that Dunbar should be
>> sacked for such a poor gameplan.  As emphasized on other posts -- RUN
>> THE BALL!!!!!!!!
>
>...because dammit, 41 points can't reasonably be expected by anyone to win
>a football game.  That's right folks, when our offense scores 41 points
>and the team loses, we point the fingers at the OC.  It's because of our

Honestly - yes. We're facing a powerful offense that hits on our key
defensive weakness -- the passing game. I don't think anybody reasonably
expected us to hold them to fewer than 30, 40 or even 50 points. So what do
you do?

1) Run the darn ball. We hit their weakness just like they hit ours. Hawaii
allowed big yardage this year on the ground and we run well up the gut.
When we did run between the hashes on Saturday night, we usually got 10+
yard gains. They were smaller and we should have been able to overpower
them on the ground ... especially since that also helps the D by keeping
Chang off the field. But instead we run to the sidelines (which allowed
Hawaii's speed to make up for their lack of size) and pass way too much. If
we had a gameplan to run the ball, we abandoned it way too early. And on
that last drive, we're at the 20 with 1:20 remaining ... RUN THE BALL! For
no other reason than to take time off before scoring, because we saw what
Chang did with less than 30 seconds at the end of the first half.

2) Take control when you had the chance. Our defense was never going to
shut out Hawaii ... but we did shut them down in the first quarter. We
didn't allow them past the 50 and we had the ball on their half of the
field four times but came away with a TD (off the kicking error by Hawaii)
and two field goals. It should have been 24-0 at least.

The defense allowed seven touchdowns ... no one's going to call that a
banner day, but our offensive gameplan and our O-line execution at Hawaii
was awful and the biggest reason we lost. One TD was the blocked punt ...
one was set up by the "onside" kick and two FGs (or maybe one?) came off
interceptions.

So that offensive production -- that couldn't even get Noah over 100 yards
-- was good for two legit drives, two ones that came up short for FGs and a
stall at the goal line.

>And let's fire that hack Dunbar.  I mean, really.  Only 41 points?
>Frances Peay would've scored 50 on those Rainbows!  By himself!  With
>Dennis Green tied behind his back!

Probably - because they would have at least put the ball in the hands of
our best player and allowed him to do what he does best -- run up the
middle.

No one gets off the hook here -- the special teams messed up, the defense
messed up, our friends in stripes messed up ... but our offense never tried
to do what it supposedly does best (and what Hawaii does worst). Either
Noah or the Oline were hurt, or we had a bad gameplan and poor execution on
offense.

Oh well ... it doesn't make it any better pointing fingers, I guess. But
simply scoring 41 points doesn't make it a good day for the offense ... it
depends on the game. Against someone like Auburn, 41 is more than a heck of
a day ... against Hawaii in a WAC-style shootout, 41 points ... and a 1,000
rusher who has fewer than 100 yards ... is a big disappointment.

Like I said Sunday morning ... maybe in a few days this feeling will wear
off and we can look back and appreciate the season as a whole ... but for
now, we just have to rehash old debates about coaching, recruiting and
success I guess. It's part of therapy.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Mon Nov 29 14:47:30 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov 29 14:52:31 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-conference play
In-Reply-To: <200411291807.iATI7vZE006692@gw.tssi.com>
References: <20041129.091024.10511.198063@webmail28.nyc.untd.com>
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>The problem is we're not exactly scheduling non-conference powerhouses in
>either sport.  Let's take a look at the non-conference schedule this year.

Well, all four were coming into 2004 off of bowl seasons, and this year,
ASU will be bowling, Hawaii still could be and TCU came up a game short
(and Kansas isn't a slouch either ... ask Texas).

It's a respectable NC schedule, especially in a college football
environment than doesn't do anything to encourage strong games outside of
league play (if anything, they've discouraged it by taking away the
strength of schedule and quality wins part of the formula). We could
schedule cupcakes ala Minnesota and go 3-5 in league play and still make a
bowl. But we scheduled a moderate slate.

It hurts that we never even needed the Hawaii game to begin with on the
slate, but when you make those 10 years or so in advance, you never really
think that this game will decide a bowl fate. Without it, we're 6-5, 5-3 in
league play, and headed to Nashville. But we added the tourism game and it
bit us.

Another point about NU's NC schedule is that we almost always start on the
road and our home games are really at neutral sites because the students
aren't back in class in the first half of September.

I'd say our NC schedule is about right for us ... maybe a bit tougher than
need be given the current bowl politics where wins matter more than who you
play. The MAC games have bit us lately, but they're good for regional
rivalries and such.

If Walker is recruiting for the Big Ten more than overall, I don't
necessarily disagree with that. Sometimes we'll come up against option
teams (Rice, Air Force), sometimes against pass-happy Hawaii teams ... but
the conference games are still what matters most. You can plan for those a
lot more than what pops up outside Big Ten play every 2-3 years.

>Basketball is starting out with the same problem that kept us out of the
>tournament last year - losing non-conference games that we should win.  The
>non-conference schedule was not all that difficult to begin with and with
>the losses piling up before Thompson gains eligibility, our RPI is really

The difference is that the folks in charge in college hoops will take that
into account. Finishing strong matters ... not having Thompson in for these
early losses will be taken into account ... and our RPI should be better
than last year with Virginia, Seton Hall and Arizona State on the schedule.

But we're gonna have to really start to catch fire soon. I haven't seen any
games so far, but with four starters back, we shouldn't be losing the games
we have. At Colorado, maybe, but the rest? It'd be nice if the turnaround
came against Virginia in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge this week ... our
league's looking better than expected with Iowa and Michigan turning in
surprising performances so far, but their league is just loaded at the top.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 29 15:39:28 2004
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon Nov 29 15:40:38 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] 2005 and Walker
In-Reply-To: <l03130301bdd137a13b08@[66.170.163.212]>
Message-ID: <20041129213928.17138.qmail@web53808.mail.yahoo.com>

Ok, this is just to pass the time. ASSUME that Mark Murphy was disappointed
with the results of the 2004 season. Looking ahead at the 2005 schedule, how
many games must Walker win to keep his job? 

I think we need to beat OU, NIU, and at least 4 in the conference. ASU might be
winnable depending on how good its new QB turns out to be.

Sept. 3 Ohio University 
Sept. 10 Northern Illinois 
Sept. 17 @Arizona State 
Sept. 24 Penn State 
Oct. 1 Bye 
Oct. 8 Wisconsin 
Oct. 15 @Purdue 
Oct. 22 @Michigan State 
Oct. 29 Michigan (Homecoming) 
Nov. 5 Iowa 
Nov. 12 @Ohio State 
Nov. 19 @Illinois 

277 days until kickoff. 

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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Nov 29 16:11:03 2004
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Nov 29 16:16:00 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] You saw it coming...
In-Reply-To: <002e01c4d624$76cab7a0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <002e01c4d624$76cab7a0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>
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Roy,

Perhaps you should just put down the shovel before the hole gets any 
deeper. <g>

It is tragic to see kids make bad choices regardless of their racial or 
economic background.  But to characterize bad choices as a racial 
problem smacks of the same sort of bigotry that suggests that one racial 
group is intellectually inferior to another.  It's the same thing as 
saying that people are poor because they are African American, or that 
inner city schools are terrible because the population is primarily 
African American.  Poverty is a national shame that claims victims 
regardless of color.

Fast smart football-playing kids come in all colors (see previous 
post).  They represent the full socio-economic spectrum.  Kids who have 
had an opportunity to attend good academic high schools are going to 
have a better chance of getting into colleges like NU, so that is going 
to skew things economically somewhat.  But the special sorts of kids who 
end up being recruited by NU are the best of the best and will rise to 
the top where ever they are.

That's because, as you point out, RW only talks with kids who, with 
their families, have made GOOD choices.  I agree that the pool should be 
larger than it is, but even if it were, RW would still only be able to 
offer the same small number of scholarships.  So, as far as NU's 
performance is concerned, the size of the pool isn't the problem.  The 
problem is that we aren't getting the best of the talent that is 
available to us. 

Suggesting some subtle or overt NU campus racism is the cause is another 
bad excuse.  Seven of the thirteen kids in the 2004 recruiting class 
were African American.  In comparison, 12 of Michigan's 22 2004 recruits 
were African American.  Just about the same percentage at a school with 
a very large African American population (at least in numbers).  No 
evidence of "white bread" bias affecting recruiting of minorities here.

BTW, active African American student organizations on many campuses 
struggle with the role athletes play, particularly when the football 
team is 50% African American but the student body percentage is much 
smaller.  But that's a different subject.

The rest of your assertions about the value of RW's approach just don't 
hold up against the facts.  I have my own opinions about why, but those 
aren't important.  What is important and easy to measure are the 
results.  He may be doing an outstanding job with the talent that he is 
able to attract because of all of the reasons that you've listed, but he 
hasn't been able to attract more talent than our competitors.  If he 
were getting the most talented kids available, I would have to say that 
you're right, we just can't compete.  But he isn't.  So I have to 
believe that we would do better with someone who was a better fit for 
what NU has to offer. 

It's really pretty siimple.  If he were winning more football games that 
he was losing, I'd admit that I was wrong and keep my opinions to 
myself.  But the bottom line is that we aren't a whole lot better than 
we were last year.  We still lead the league in penalties (can't just be 
effort because every team tries hard).  The special teams which he 
personally coaches were the weak link again this year.  We were lucky to 
get OSU before they found Smith and Ginn.  We were lucky to get Purdue 
when Orton was banged up mentally and physically.  We were lucky last 
year to get Wisky playing a backup QB.  We barely beat Indiana, 
Illinois, and PSU and got blistered by the teams that were playing well 
(Minny, Michigan, and Wisky).

I think that it is great that we went 5-3 in the BT.  My hat is off to 
the kids and the way that they played.  I don't want to take anything 
away from the heart and determination that they showed.  But another 
year of 6-6 is not a ringing RW endorsement in my mind.  Taking a look 
at where we are now, does anyone really think that we have the talent to 
beat the now reloaded OSU and Michigan next year (assuming OSU is on the 
schedule again)?

The point this year is moot anyway because, baring any serious health 
problems, RW is going to be the NU coach next year.  But I don't buy the 
"sky is falling" predictions that the only way to be successful is to 
keep the same coach until they retire.  It appears that Stanford has the 
courage to pull the trigger when they didn't the results that they 
wanted even though there was a significant amount of the sort of 
"on-field" improvement used to defend RW.  This sets the table for a 
good experiment for the "doom crew" . 

If you are right, Stanford is now in for a lengthy and painful 
rebuilding process that will damage their ability to recruit and compete 
for years to come.  If RW stays, however, I predict that Stanford will 
have a PAC-10 championship before we see our next BT championship. 

I don't know that I'll get a lot of pleasure out of saying I told you so 
a few years from now, but I will take some satisfaction in seeing this 
particular excuse for poor performance put to rest.

Jeff








Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

>Maybe we should change the "speed demon" reference below, but what I was
>alluding to was that many Div I prospects don't realize they need decent grades
>until its too late.
>
>There is an attitude among many HS students, [and I'm sorry this might offend
>some around here] particularly those of african descent, that think they don't
>need to study and get good grades because they're going to go to the pros and
>make millions. They are all very talented athletes, but somewhere they get the
>idea that they didn't have to work at anything but football [or basketball] 
>
>I've heard it on the sidelines from parents who are distraught because their kid
>isn't starting. Gee - the kid doesn't put out the effort to start, and besides
>he's about to flunk off the team because of poor performance in the classroom.
>This case was a black kid, but I've had white kids with the same "don't need to
>study" attitude who are smart enough, they just didn't care about school [and
>their future] enough.
>
>I think even Jesse Jackson made the comment once that if Black kids put as much
>effort into studies as playing basketball, we would have black scientists
>running the major research programs, but I still see kids with NBA dreams
>shooting hoops until dark instead of hitting the books. Any kid who puts out the
>effort to study is branded with a negative stigma by all races - the ones who
>rise to the top are always denigrated because they put out the effort, just look
>around at the present political arena.
>
>So how does that relate to NU recruiting. 
>
>Many kids, who are smart enough to attend NU, never take the effort to get the
>grades and work on improving SAT or ACT scores.
>
>There was a young poor black kid in Baltimore who wanted to attend Maryland - he
>raised his SATs by almost 500 points by taking a class. He wanted to get into a
>college that wasn't going to bend its rules. He was smart enough, and good
>enough to make the NBA, but he also realized at the last minute that he had to
>have the grades and the SAT score. He did it and that effort should be what is
>heralded, not his performance at the NCAA tournament.
>
>Many Black Kids, who are smart enough to attend NU, and who play football, and
>who have the grades and SATs will go to other top programs, who also covet their
>mental and physical abilities. They go elsewhere because NU has a reputation of
>being a "white bread" school. The Daily has even run a series on Black Athletes
>not being involved in the "black" activities enough.
>
>Yes, NU has a rep as an "old school" type program under Randy Walker, but we had
>the "new school" coaching approach all through the 70's and 80's. We didn't win,
>and we didn't recruit well. You want to return to that?
>
>NU has a great message right now - "Come to NU and help us advance to the next
>level. We're a tough program, we'll demand 110% from you, but in return you get
>a great education, and maybe a look from the pros, just like at any other Big 10
>College but even so, you'll have that degree when you're done."
>
>I don't know if Randy Walker floated the idea that he might leave if offered a
>better deal somewhere. I suspect its one of the beat writers looking for some
>news and asking the question, but regardless of what you think, Walker and Co.
>does a lot with what we recruit, and every class may not appear to be great on
>the surface, but seems to turn out decent players after a redshirt and 2 years.
>
>The last time Walker was asked about his future plans was right before the
>contract extension, where he got a raise, but more important pushed for, and got
>raises for all of the assistants. That could be in the works again.
>
>Walker has the Cats at .500 with his current talent. I don't want to go back to
>the 3-8, 2-9, 3-7, 5-7 and 3-9 records that St. Gary provided around his two Big
>10 Champ years. This year we beat some pretty good Big 10 teams, all of whom
>garnered bowl bids. Had we not scheduled Hawai'i, we'd be bowling too.
>
>I'm not a big fan of changing coaches. I've seen schools with a merry go round,
>and I've seem the same schools with the same coach for a long time - They were
>given time and most of them got the program going, and kept it going for a long
>time. Personally, I'd rather have RW around until one of our alums - like Fitz -
>is ready to take over the program at NU.
>
>rsl
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>Computer Applications & Support Associates
>and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
>The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
>(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
>AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
>
>=========================================
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>itself to prosperity...Think about it.
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
>
>  
>
>>>What was apparent last night was our lack of sheer speed. College 
>>>football has turned into a faster, stronger sport and NU is 
>>>      
>>>
>>racing to 
>>    
>>
>>>catch up. Unfortunately there are just not enough speed demons out 
>>>there with the ability to get into NU.
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Why not?
>>
>>How many do you think we need?
>>
>>I'm really hoping you didn't mean what you just said.  Do you really 
>>think that the best 40 times only belong to the intellectually 
>>challenged?  Is there some genetic or racial relationship 
>>between quick 
>>twitch muscles and IQ that I'm unaware of?  I thought we 
>>moved past that 
>>stuff a long time ago.  I'm hoping this was the result of 
>>staying up too 
>>late to watch a football game and not something you're willing to 
>>attempt to defend. 
>>
>>In terms of sheer entertainment value, though, it was a heck 
>>of a season!
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>
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>>    
>>
>
>
>
>  
>


From TyJLevine at aol.com  Mon Nov 29 17:04:32 2004
From: TyJLevine at aol.com (TyJLevine@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 29 17:05:55 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] 2005 and Walker
Message-ID: <00BA98EE.42085B40.029B6D6E@aol.com>

Next year's schedule will not be easy in the Big Ten but coming into the season I think Walker needs to win 7 games just to show he is capable of winning football games.  I also agree that we must be 500 in conference.

Did anyone see Iowa's national offensive rankings?  Come on people they won the Big Ten with a pathetic, not mediocre, offense.

I bleed purple.  My stomach is in knots game in and game out, but As former Purdue coach Leon Burtnett told me during an interview back in 1986, you cannot teach speed, you can add bulk to a player but not speed.

If Ohio State plays a different quarterback, and if the wind isn't blowing against Purdue we lose both of those games.  Then the season is 4-8 not 6-6.  Granted a win is a win, but....

From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Mon Nov 29 17:43:56 2004
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Mon Nov 29 17:44:49 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-con scheduling
In-Reply-To: <20041129195024.92572.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200411292344.iATNiiZE011953@gw.tssi.com>

I this is an accurate description of our NC slate for the foreseeable
future, then I'd say it's about right.  It's not too tough overall, with the
right mix of winnable games.  The renewal of the Duke series and initiation
of one with SMU and Vandy bring schools that should be beatable.  Syracuse
is an unknown as they could and probably should have restored the program by
the time they come back to the schedule.  I could do without  seeing the Air
Force option but  I suppose the academies are a fact of life for us.  Now
that strength of schedule is meaningless, I think this looks promising.
Next year again gives us 3 possible NC wins as ASU will be breaking in a new
QB and we will have to take advantage of that with that tough stretch near
the end of @MSU, Mich, Iowa and @OSU.

Mark
Mark S. Ament
prplehaze@insightbb.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Maycock
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:50 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-con scheduling

The question of non-conference football schedule is really moot for
anything like the near-term time frame, assuming Far East's info:

http://www.fareastwildcat.com/Schedule2004.html

is accurate. Things are set through 2009, and partially set out to
2013. Although there are perhaps too many familiar faces on the
upcoming slates, I'd say the schedules look just about right to me. 

Overall, I'd say the 2005 slate looks a little easier than 2004 (not
easy, mind you, but easier). 

Personally, I liked this year's non-con schedule. Although TCU ended up
having a tough year, TCU, ASU, and Kansas were all perfectly
respectable, challenging, mid-level opponents. The Cats easily could
have won all 3 games. A couple breaks go our way in those first two
games, and the Hawaii game would have just been an unfortunate bump in
a bowl-bound road.

Never seen anything like this year. I probably said this before, but if
you changed the outcome of just one or two plays per game, we could
*easily* be 9 and 3. Or 0 and 12. 

Tom

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From herms at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 29 19:53:30 2004
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Mon Nov 29 19:54:34 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-con scheduling
In-Reply-To: <20041129195024.92572.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY12-F7BB5FC552DCFDCAD025FAAEBE0@phx.gbl>

What's the greater benefit for fans and for recruiting?  Scheduling cupcakes 
so that we make a bowl every year (a la Minnesota), or scheduling quality 
opponents like TCU and ASU, so that we get more games on national 
television?

As an alum who lives out of state, I love the fact that so many of our games 
are on the ESPN networks. It's doubtful that a non-conference game against 
New Mexico State would have a prayer of being televised, even on GamePlan.  
Of course, I also want us to make a bowl game, and clearly, our tough 
non-conference schedule bit us in the butt this year.  So I'm torn.

Any thoughts?

Herman


From thehaze at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 29 20:01:06 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Mon Nov 29 20:05:00 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-con scheduling
References: <BAY12-F7BB5FC552DCFDCAD025FAAEBE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41ABD462.2090503@earthlink.net>

Great point -- the odds of either of our first two games next year (vs. 
Ohio U. and Northern Illinois) being on TV are not very high.  This 
year, we had 11 of 12 games televised -- a lot more than most schools, 
in the Big Ten or anywhere else.  -- Jim B.

Herman Wang wrote:

> What's the greater benefit for fans and for recruiting?  Scheduling 
> cupcakes so that we make a bowl every year (a la Minnesota), or 
> scheduling quality opponents like TCU and ASU, so that we get more 
> games on national television?
>
> As an alum who lives out of state, I love the fact that so many of our 
> games are on the ESPN networks. It's doubtful that a non-conference 
> game against New Mexico State would have a prayer of being televised, 
> even on GamePlan.  Of course, I also want us to make a bowl game, and 
> clearly, our tough non-conference schedule bit us in the butt this 
> year.  So I'm torn.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Herman
>



From JHCCLARK at aol.com  Mon Nov 29 20:45:33 2004
From: JHCCLARK at aol.com (JHCCLARK@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 29 20:47:03 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-con scheduling
Message-ID: <1dc.31259b17.2edd38cd@aol.com>

I have always been a fan of Michigan's scheduling logic, that is until the  
state legislature got involved.
 
One Major 
One Minor
One Medium
 
preferably in that order.
 
One thing that I have noticed over the years, is that good teams tend to  
spend the off-season aggressively preparing for a Major opponent scheduled for  
the first game of the year (Michigan and Notre Dame when scheduled first;  
Northwestern and Notre Dame '95 or Oklahoma '97).  And yes, I know  Oklahoma in 
'97 was not a good team, but the name "Oklahoma" meant  something.
 
Good teams know they have to hit the ground running when playing a Major  
team.  Good teams that play a creampuff off the bat tend to let the spring  and 
summer slide (Northwestern and Wake Forest '96 and '97).  There is less  of a 
sense of urgency.
 
Schedule Miami (FL) first off, not Ohio.
Schedule Alabama first off, not Vanderbilt.
Schedule Texas first off, not SMU.
 
Then you fill out the schedule with the Ohios, Vanderbilts and SMUs,  
followed by the Mizzous, Stanfords and Syracuses.
 
My $.02
From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Mon Nov 29 20:58:21 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (sjtruog@jorsm.com)
Date: Mon Nov 29 21:05:26 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-con scheduling
In-Reply-To: <1dc.31259b17.2edd38cd@aol.com>
References: <1dc.31259b17.2edd38cd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <53579.66.170.160.99.1101783501.squirrel@webmail.jorsm.com>

> I have always been a fan of Michigan's scheduling logic, that is until the
> state legislature got involved.
>
> One Major
> One Minor
> One Medium
>
> preferably in that order.

Although Michigan and ND now try to sneak a cupcake in before their annual
game.

But Michigan used to kill itself with NC scheduling ... Miami/ND in the
same year (in the late 80s, when ND was good) ... ND/FSU in another ...
ND/Colorado another ... etc. It just killed the Wolverines. They'd win the
Big Ten, but they were out of the national title hunt before September
even ended.

Last year was an exception with 1-loss teams and the title. With no SOS or
quality wins, you're almost gonna have to be unbeaten from here out.
Michigan realizes that - they keep ND for tradition (and now that they're
more a "medium":) ), but otherwise they make sure they have a good chance
at starting 3-0.

> One thing that I have noticed over the years, is that good teams tend to
> spend the off-season aggressively preparing for a Major opponent scheduled

Maybe a few years back, but not much anymore. USC and Auburn had the
opener last year, but outside of the soon-to-be gone preseason "classic"
games, those whopper openers are fading fast. As noted above, even the
Irish and Wolverines don't want to meet in a sloppy opener and lose a
chance at the title because of first-game penalties and such anymore.

> Schedule Miami (FL) first off, not Ohio.
> Schedule Alabama first off, not Vanderbilt.
> Schedule Texas first off, not SMU.

Ouch! For starters, I doubt any of them will come to Evanston. So a road
game at a top 10 team to start the season would be a monumental task ...
you want to build confidence, not kill it in the opener!

> Then you fill out the schedule with the Ohios, Vanderbilts and SMUs,
> followed by the Mizzous, Stanfords and Syracuses.

But it just doesn't make sense to kill yourself in NC play. It costs bowl
bids ... MSU in the early 90s finished 3rd in the league with a 5-3 mark,
but had a 5-6 overall record because they played a brutal NC sked. No
bowl. We had a similar thing this year, but not as brutal. There's no
reward and a huge risk for scheduling a tough NC game and even most of the
big powers realize that now and are phasing it out.

Look at the top three this year. Auburn had creampuff city, Oklahoma did
play Oregon ... but in Norman and after a few games, and USC only kicked
off with VaTech because it was in that "classic" makeup game, and that
almost hurt their chances when the Hokies were up in the fourth.

Look at the first few weeks of the Pigskin Picks this year - we were
stretching for some good national games. GameDay pretty much had one sure
destination each week with little competition for the big game of the day.

The only argument for scheduling even modestly difficult games (besides
the preparing the team for Big Ten play argument) is the TV factor
mentioned on the list earlier. We were on 11 weeks this year - a great
recruiting and name-factor tool.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

From BSchooler at aol.com  Mon Nov 29 21:05:42 2004
From: BSchooler at aol.com (BSchooler@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 29 21:07:04 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Answer To Your Question
Message-ID: <76.473c7ab0.2edd3d86@aol.com>

You asked:

<<How can you possibly construe this as you do?? It looks like Walker was 
just asked a few questions at a press conference and he gave some answers that 
suggest the opposite of what you indicate he said.? What quote of his is a 
"fabrication?">>

Here's your answer:

<<"There are guys out there on the phones, working it, got their agents 
working it, but [suitors] are going to call me; I'm not calling anybody," Walker 
said. "That's just how I operate. I'm real happy here, this is a great 
institution and they have treated me very well. The leadership here I feel very 
strongly about.">>

I believe this is a fabrication. I don't think anyone has called Walker. This 
is the second time Walker has pulled this stunt. You don't say something like 
this to a reporter from the Chicago Tribune without ulterior motives. Walker 
wanted a contract extension. This is how he negotiates. If I were Mark Murphy, 
I'd fire him and wish him "good luck" with all those "guys out there on the 
phones" who are "working it".

I let Mark Murphy know how I feel about Randy Walker over a year ago. I 
should have left it at that.

Bob Schooler    

From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Nov 29 21:07:06 2004
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon Nov 29 21:07:53 2004
Subject: Fw: [NU Sports] Non-conference play
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20041129220659.03d9d8e0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

At 11/29/2004 12:10 PM, the Linhardts wrote:
>As for the Hawaii game my wife is of the opinion that Dunbar should be 
>sacked for such a poor gameplan.  As emphasized on other posts -- RUN THE 
>BALL!!!!!!!!  We were really disappointed, but it is more from being 
>teased than being unhappy with the season.  These were magnificient 
>conference results(5-3) and the home games we saw were exciting with good 
>results.

I say that same about the Illinois game.  For the first two "drives", we 
tried to run Noah up the gut nearly every play.  That's a good strategy as 
your bread-and-butter, but only if you stretch the D by making them respect 
the pass.  At the beginning of our third possession, I said, "We need to 
pass to stretch the defense."  We did, for a first down.  Then we did it 
again.  Then I said, "OK, now it's time for Noah up the middle."  And he 
ripped off eight yards.  My point?  If I can figure out what kind of play 
we need to call, then the situation must be so horribly obvious that a 
professional coach should have seen it weeks before.  :-)

Seriously, Dunbar's coaching has always maddened me.  If anyone remembers 
that far back, our special teams woes, especially on kick coverage, started 
back when he came in as H-backs coach and special teams coordinator.  (A 
position that was eliminated when Dunbar was promoted to OC.)  That was one 
thing about GB that I *really* liked.  He coached the special teams 
himself, and it a privilege to get on the field on a kick or coverage unit.


Michael, CAS '91
mailto:michael@vance.com

From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Nov 29 21:20:11 2004
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon Nov 29 21:20:59 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] 2005 and Walker
In-Reply-To: <00BA98EE.42085B40.029B6D6E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20041129221555.03d569e8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>

At 11/29/2004 06:04 PM, you wrote:
>Did anyone see Iowa's national offensive rankings?  Come on people they 
>won the Big Ten with a pathetic, not mediocre, offense.

Even if he hadn't won a share of the conference, Kirk Ferentz won the Dave 
McClain award when the Haweyes beat Minnesota despite getting outrushed 
377-6.  I think Mason is still scratching his head over that one.  That had 
to have set some kind of record.


Michael, CAS '91
mailto:michael@vance.com

From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Mon Nov 29 21:14:28 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (sjtruog@jorsm.com)
Date: Mon Nov 29 21:21:24 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] 2005 and Walker
In-Reply-To: <00BA98EE.42085B40.029B6D6E@aol.com>
References: <00BA98EE.42085B40.029B6D6E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <53585.66.170.160.99.1101784468.squirrel@webmail.jorsm.com>

> Next year's schedule will not be easy in the Big Ten but coming into the
> season I think Walker needs to win 7 games just to show he is capable of
> winning football games.  I also agree that we must be 500 in conference.

Well, we HAVE been .500 or better the past two years in league play. I
know the Hawaii loss hurt, but I really don't think Walker's job is -- or
should be -- in jeopardy. And those Internet rumors of other offers are
just ridiculous. I guess we're really looking for something to do this
offseason if we're complaining about a 6-win season and looking to ditch
the coach.

> Did anyone see Iowa's national offensive rankings?  Come on people they
> won the Big Ten with a pathetic, not mediocre, offense.

I'm not sure I'd call any offense with Drew Tate pathetic. As we saw with
Hawaii (41 points!) - stats can be misleading. They played in a lot of
slugfests (6-4 anyone?) with their defense and the O did what needed to be
done despite being on the 6th or 7th running back. Tate a great talent and
when healthy, showed that Iowa's offense was a threat to score on any
play.

> If Ohio State plays a different quarterback, and if the wind isn't blowing
> against Purdue we lose both of those games.  Then the season is 4-8 not
> 6-6.  Granted a win is a win, but....

And if we make a FG in Fort Worth or run the goshdarn ball in Hawaii or
not fumbled vs. ASU ... 9-3. We had some breaks this year for sure, but
had some go against us in those three games. Life on the edge. BTW - we
never trailed OSU, did we? I know that we certainly didn't luck out that
game. Indiana and Illinois? Yes. OSU? No. We could play "what ifs" all day
... what if Loren doesn't get injured ... Castillo ... etc. etc. etc.

Hawaii smarts, to be sure ... but this season certainly wasn't a disaster
or something to send vultures circling around the coach's office.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Mon Nov 29 21:40:03 2004
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Mon Nov 29 21:47:54 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] my two cents
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C268070146EF32@goose.latimes.com>

 1. I would also like to say I'm glad to see Mr. Schooler back on the list.
 2. I think the problem is our defense. I had thought many times over the past month that we had made real strides in our defense -- that it had matured. Then came the debacle in Hawaii, which I stayed up late to watch, all the way to the last execrable play.
 The reason we were so good in 95 and 96 was fundamentally, as is always the case with championship teams, defense. That is where I believe we need to get better next year. Our linebacking corps is strong, probably the strength of the team. But why, oh why, year after year, is our secondary so porous? This seems to me to be a problem that ought to be fixable.
 Our offensive line loses some guys and Noah Herron is gone, and he is a warrior -- I've enjoyed watching him as much or more as DA1 and DA2. But Basanez will be a senior and ought to be terrific, and the receiving corps ought to be first-rate as well. So I have some confidence for the 2005 season -- although I have the same trepidations I had going into this year. Could be 8-3, could be 4-7. 
 3. I doubt very much that RW gets fired, unless Murphy wants his own guy. The Cats are competitive and the kids are graduating. Plus, the Wheeler issue is not resolved in court.
 4. The issue with 6-6 is that our expectations have changed, and rightly so. In years gone by, 6-6 and 5-3 conference, would be cause for rejoicing. Now we expect better. I think we have a better record if we fix our defensive woes.
 - Alan  

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 29 22:14:53 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 29 22:18:38 2004
Subject: Fw: [NU Sports] Non-conference play
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20041129220659.03d9d8e0@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <004201c4d693$254434a0$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

RW has coached the special teams for the past few years, but uses several
assistants [most recently I think Johns, Glowick and McGee] to help.

They work on it at various times in practice.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
AIM Handle: CoachRoy74

=========================================
No Society has ever Taxed or Litigated
itself to prosperity...Think about it.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Michael Vance
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:07 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: Fw: [NU Sports] Non-conference play
> 
> 
> At 11/29/2004 12:10 PM, the Linhardts wrote:
> >As for the Hawaii game my wife is of the opinion that Dunbar 
> should be
> >sacked for such a poor gameplan.  As emphasized on other 
> posts -- RUN THE 
> >BALL!!!!!!!!  We were really disappointed, but it is more from being 
> >teased than being unhappy with the season.  These were magnificient 
> >conference results(5-3) and the home games we saw were 
> exciting with good 
> >results.
> 
> I say that same about the Illinois game.  For the first two 
> "drives", we 
> tried to run Noah up the gut nearly every play.  That's a 
> good strategy as 
> your bread-and-butter, but only if you stretch the D by 
> making them respect 
> the pass.  At the beginning of our third possession, I said, 
> "We need to 
> pass to stretch the defense."  We did, for a first down.  
> Then we did it 
> again.  Then I said, "OK, now it's time for Noah up the 
> middle."  And he 
> ripped off eight yards.  My point?  If I can figure out what 
> kind of play 
> we need to call, then the situation must be so horribly 
> obvious that a 
> professional coach should have seen it weeks before.  :-)
> 
> Seriously, Dunbar's coaching has always maddened me.  If 
> anyone remembers 
> that far back, our special teams woes, especially on kick 
> coverage, started 
> back when he came in as H-backs coach and special teams 
> coordinator.  (A 
> position that was eliminated when Dunbar was promoted to OC.) 
>  That was one 
> thing about GB that I *really* liked.  He coached the special teams 
> himself, and it a privilege to get on the field on a kick or 
> coverage unit.
> 
> 
> Michael, CAS '91
> mailto:michael@vance.com
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 29 22:17:45 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 29 22:21:33 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] my two cents
In-Reply-To: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C268070146EF32@goose.latimes.com>
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1, Welcome Back B....

2. the defense really fell apart when Luis got hurt.

3. Murph has his guy for another year

4. 6-6 in my day would have led to a month long block party in front of Dyche.

Don't fall off the bandwagon, if you don't want your knees hurt....

Go Cats - Victorious over VA

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Abrahamson, Alan
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:40 PM
> To: 'nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com'
> Subject: [NU Sports] my two cents
> 
> 
>  1. I would also like to say I'm glad to see Mr. Schooler 
> back on the list.  2. I think the problem is our defense. I 
> had thought many times over the past month that we had made 
> real strides in our defense -- that it had matured. Then came 
> the debacle in Hawaii, which I stayed up late to watch, all 
> the way to the last execrable play.  The reason we were so 
> good in 95 and 96 was fundamentally, as is always the case 
> with championship teams, defense. That is where I believe we 
> need to get better next year. Our linebacking corps is 
> strong, probably the strength of the team. But why, oh why, 
> year after year, is our secondary so porous? This seems to me 
> to be a problem that ought to be fixable.  Our offensive line 
> loses some guys and Noah Herron is gone, and he is a warrior 
> -- I've enjoyed watching him as much or more as DA1 and DA2. 
> But Basanez will be a senior and ought to be terrific, and 
> the receiving corps ought to be first-rate as well. So I have 
> some confidence for the 2005 season -- although I have the 
> same trepidations I had going into this year. Could be 8-3, 
> could be 4-7. 
>  3. I doubt very much that RW gets fired, unless Murphy wants 
> his own guy. The Cats are competitive and the kids are 
> graduating. Plus, the Wheeler issue is not resolved in court. 
>  4. The issue with 6-6 is that our expectations have changed, 
> and rightly so. In years gone by, 6-6 and 5-3 conference, 
> would be cause for rejoicing. Now we expect better. I think 
> we have a better record if we fix our defensive woes.
>  - Alan  
> 
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From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Mon Nov 29 22:33:55 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov 29 22:39:12 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 14
Message-ID: <l03130302bdd1a77f5ecb@[66.170.163.212]>

It's championship weekend, and not only do we get title games in the SEC
and Big XII, but the ACC holds their title game a year early in the Orange
Bowl. There's also the battle for Los Angeles, a hurricane-delayed game
(and Cal best check with UCLA about how that can go when you're in line for
a BCS bowl) and the great Army/Navy rivalry.

*** NOTE: The MAC title game is THURSDAY NIGHT, so get those picks in on time!

All picks for week 14 are due by noon on THURSDAY, December 2, 2004.

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 14
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Name:

Big Ten
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GAME  1: Michigan State @ Hawaii         WINNER:

National
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GAME  2: Southern Cal @ UCLA             WINNER:
GAME  3: Virginia Tech @ Miami (FL)      WINNER:
GAME  4: California @ Southern Miss      WINNER:
GAME  5: Army vs. Navy *                 WINNER:
GAME  6: Pittsburgh @ South Florida      WINNER:
GAME  7: Louisville @ Tulane             WINNER:

* - Game @ Philadelphia, PA

SEC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME @ ATLANTA, GA
GAME  8: Auburn vs. Tennessee            WINNER:

BIG XII CHAMPIONSHIP GAME @ KANSAS CITY, MO
GAME  9: Colorado vs. Oklahoma           WINNER:

MAC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME @ DETROIT, MI
GAME 10: Miami (OH) vs. Toledo           WINNER:

Remember - picks in by THURSDAY at noon.
GO CATS!!!
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From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Mon Nov 29 22:45:17 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov 29 22:50:14 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] my two cents
In-Reply-To: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C268070146EF32@goose.latimes.com>
Message-ID: <l03130304bdd1a949ca6e@[66.170.161.29]>

> 2. I think the problem is our defense. I had thought many times over the
>past month that we had made real strides in our defense -- that it had
>matured. Then came the debacle in Hawaii, which I stayed up late to watch,
>all the way to the last execrable play.

I'm not excusing the D for Hawaii ... just saying that they gave the O
three or four chances to put the game away and the O didn't. But Hawaii was
a different type of game -- a WAC-style shootout we were trapped in. For
most of the season, the D had shown good strides, especially against the
run (vs. the pass we were bad, I agree).

> The reason we were so good in 95 and 96 was fundamentally, as is always
>the case with championship teams, defense. That is where I believe we need
>to get

1995 - no doubt. 1996 - hmm, that was more like this year ... we had a
bend-don't-break D in '96 that played to the level of opponents. The
Purdue, Illinois, etc. games that year were much like this year's
Indiana/Illinois games. We allowed a lot of yards and points in 1996 ... it
caught up with us against Peyton in Orlando. But when the O put their
perfect game together (that magnificent rout in Iowa City:) ), the D came
to play that day as well for a case of good timing and a Hayden whuppin!

> Our offensive line loses some guys and Noah Herron is gone, and he is a
>warrior -- I've enjoyed watching him as much or more as DA1 and DA2. But
>Basanez will be a senior and ought to be terrific, and the receiving corps
>ought to be first-rate as well. So I have some confidence for the 2005
>season -- although I

I'll really miss Noah as well. I think he's the most complete back we've
had at NU. It's a shame he wasn't allowed to win the game at Hawaii.

As for next year on O, with Baz and most of the receivers back ... along
with a speedy back in TJ (but did he learn to catch from Noah?) and a
developing Bates-type in Kim Thompson to go with our short bubble screen
guys and Fields' speed ... we may have a more wide-open Hawaii-style
offense next year.

> 4. The issue with 6-6 is that our expectations have changed, and rightly
>so. In years gone by, 6-6 and 5-3 conference, would be cause for
>rejoicing. Now we expect better. I think we have a better record if we fix
>our defensive woes.

I'm not sure they've earned the right to jump that far yet ... this is only
our second back-to-back 6-win seasons in 30+ years. Going into 2004, I
picked 6-6 and that was considered generous ... most national publications
thought we might surprise a few teams but with the tougher schedule than
2003, finish 4-8 or 5-7. Certainly no one saw us as 4th in the Big Ten.

Hopefully after Hawaii our kids feel disappointed knowing what should have
been and hopefully they WANT more than 6 wins ... we should want more as
well. But we also need to keep expectations from getting out of hand. Two
straight 6 win seasons is a start to building a program. But I don't think
we've jumped to the level where 6-6 is a bad season for NU football yet.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From TyJLevine at aol.com  Mon Nov 29 22:59:16 2004
From: TyJLevine at aol.com (TyJLevine@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 29 23:00:37 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] my two cents
Message-ID: <144.39e64f19.2edd5824@aol.com>

Alan,
 
Has really summarized the season, our hopes and looking towards next year  
very well.  No one remembers that many times during the 1995 season  
Vanderlinden played man coverage with the cornerbacks because he had two veteran  
safeties in Bennett and Collier and a terror of a blitzer in Ismaeli.   We actually 
had some speed back there.  There was tremendous confidence in  our linebackers 
and decent albeit for Northwestern GOOD defensive line.
 
We had pretty good tight end, one great wide receiver, one AWESOME  
possession receiver a fantastic running back and a very tough and MOBILE  offensive 
line.  Just as important we had a quarterback who was asked only  one thing NOT 
MAKE A MISTAKE, Schnur was not asked to win, just not lose.   Finally - Barnett 
realized that there were three parts to a football game -  OFFENSE, DEFENSE, 
SPECIAL TEAMS.  Field position is as an important part of  football as 
anything else.  We have not even been decent in our special  teams for years.
 
Look at this team.  I think one might make the case that when everyone  is 
healthy our strength was our DE in Howard and Castillo.  We have one  good 
linebacker and a very weak secondary.
 
Under Walker we have basically been without a tight end and none of our  
running backs have had 4.5 speed which is just average to good in this day and  
age.
 
I was not sold on our O-line play because with their size they couldn't  
consistently blow away and open massive holes nor was their pass  protection  good 
enough to allow Baz to drop back do his reads and hit an  open 
receiver.......or you could make the argument that the line was serviceable  in that area 
and our wideouts just were not quick enough or good enough to  create separation.
 
Alan is right, pre 1995 a 500 season would have been like Nirvana.   For many 
of us we want to enter November still with a shot at a Big ten Title at  
least every four years and at least one other year we should be competing for a  
Bowl game.  We shouldn't forget, this team did finish 4th in the Big Ten  this 
year.
 
For us to be 7-4 or better next year we will need the following:
 
Baz must actually win us games, he will have to be at least a top three QB  
in the Big Ten next year.
 
Our O-Line must gel quickly and we cannot afford any injuries.
 
Our wide receivers will have to stretch the field and make opponents db's  
play honest.
 
We will have to find a defense that can take the pressure to score off of  
our offense. I'll take a bend, not break defense any day at Northwestern.
 
Finally, Our special teams must score points, not allow any points and not  
give up 70 yard or less fields for the defense to play under.
 
 
 
Talent wise we should match up with every opponent next year but Michigan  
and Ohio State.  To me that means we should enter 9 games with a realistic  
expectation of winning.
 
I cannot wait for 2005, but I do think Walker has to prove he can recruit,  
coach and win to be around in 2006.  We should have the same expectations  as 
Stanford.
 
 
From johnl at mac.com  Mon Nov 29 23:04:25 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Mon Nov 29 23:04:52 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Answer To Your Question
In-Reply-To: <76.473c7ab0.2edd3d86@aol.com>
References: <76.473c7ab0.2edd3d86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E60A397-428D-11D9-B75F-000A95960BF2@mac.com>

Read that again in context and you'll see that it's clear that the  
"guys out there" that he's referring to are other coaches.  He's saying  
that he's NOT one of those coaches who is constantly trying to find a  
better job.  Several things prove this to be the correct  
interpretation:

1) He refers to the other guys' "agents working it."  That would be the  
other coaches' agents.
2) The "but" in the sentence contrasts the guys who are working it with  
suitors calling.  Hence, the suitors are NOT the guys who are working  
it.  It's other coaches who are working it.
3) He says "I'm not calling anybody," which is a contrast to the prior  
phrase where he refers to guys out there working it.  He says he's NOT  
one of those guys.  That is, he's NOT one of those other coaches.  We  
know he's not a suitor, so there would be no need to contrast himself  
with the guys who are working it if the guys who are working it were  
suitors.
4) He says that "suitors are going to call me," not that any suitors  
have in fact called.  And this is only in contrast to the suggestion  
that he might be working it, which he says he's not.
5) All the other quotes, the title of the article, and text of the  
article are contrary to your interpretation.

I'm surprised no one else has chimed in on this.  Here's the link  
again, if anyone else has any further thoughts.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs 
-041123nu,1,1892420.story?coll=cs-college-headlines


On Nov 29, 2004, at 9:05 PM, BSchooler@aol.com wrote:

> You asked:
>
>  <<How can you possibly construe this as you do?? It looks like Walker  
> was just asked a few questions at a press conference and he gave some  
> answers that suggest the opposite of what you indicate he said.? What  
> quote of his is a "fabrication?">>
>
>  Here's your answer:
>
>  <<"There are guys out there on the phones, working it, got their  
> agents working it, but [suitors] are going to call me; I'm not calling  
> anybody," Walker said. "That's just how I operate. I'm real happy  
> here, this is a great institution and they have treated me very well.  
> The leadership here I feel very strongly about.">>
>
>  I believe this is a fabrication. I don't think anyone has called  
> Walker. This is the second time Walker has pulled this stunt. You  
> don't say something like this to a reporter from the Chicago Tribune  
> without ulterior motives. Walker wanted a contract extension. This is  
> how he negotiates. If I were Mark Murphy, I'd fire him and wish him  
> "good luck" with all those "guys out there on the phones" who are  
> "working it".
>
>  I let Mark Murphy know how I feel about Randy Walker over a year ago.  
> I should have left it at that.
>
>  Bob Schooler
>
From bondscoop at megapathdsl.net  Mon Nov 29 23:23:52 2004
From: bondscoop at megapathdsl.net (Michael Jackson)
Date: Mon Nov 29 23:26:38 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] my two cents
Message-ID: <008501c4d69c$ca85b8e0$0302a8c0@Mike>

The killer all year was our pass defense.  We would hold them on first
and second downs only to give up a large gain on third down.  Receivers
were open all year.  The only reason our defense was so good in the
early part of the Hawaii game was that Chang kept missing wide-open
receivers.  We either need to recruit faster cover people or mix up the
zone coverage enough to fool the better QB's.  Losing Howard really hurt
our pass rush.  
 
RW should and will be back next year.  He does a great job developing
running backs.  His teams play with heart and never give up as
demonstrated many times this year.  As fans, we get our moneys worth.
We have a problem with too many penalties, our kicking game always seems
to need improvement and our pass defense leaves much to be desired.
These problems have been with us for a number of years so I think it is
safe to conclude that RW should be held responsible for these
deficiencies.  
 
On the other hand, I too remember the dark years.  What we have now is
such an improvement.  As many of you have pointed out, a season is
determined by a few big plays.  We are competitive in most games and
have a chance to do great things.  Unless you want a football factory,
we have a chance to develop consistency for a long time.  Give it a
chance.
 
On to basketball.  We have the perfect coach for our university.  Our
problem so far this year is that we haven't seen who will step up and be
the leader. Vedran has struggled.  He is the target for most of the
defenses.  In the Colorado game he started to drive instead of just
shooting from the outside and his game improved.  Parker has shown
flashes where he can take over a game but he still lacks consistency.
Mohammed has lacked the spark he showed last year.  He is not shooting
and his defense is not up to par for him.  I don't know if Ramadan is to
blame or not.  We miss the big guy in the middle.  I hope he is close to
as good as advertised.  We need his rebounding.  Doyle is a great passer
and works hard to get his shot in the flow of the offense, but his
outside shot needs work.  Seacat has yet to hit from the outside and is
a liability on defense.  Duvancic and Scott have been inconsistent.
Brandon Lee has potential but needs to learn the offense.  As a team,
our shooting can only be described as horrible.  We have a bunch of
complementary players but no star.  We need to rebound better.  We play
best when we fast break off rebounds and then work the Princeton offense
if we can't get an easy shot off the break.  Our defense will improve as
the season progresses.  We will be exciting this year.  The team needs
to find itself  if we are to have post-season opportunities this year.  
 
  
From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 30 04:59:27 2004
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Tue Nov 30 05:00:39 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] call and response on all comers here...
In-Reply-To: <200411292005.iATK5Zli012501@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20041130105927.67812.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com>

To Jeff: 

J: If anything, our need to 
recruit 
smart kids who value education is going to go a long
way towards 
overcoming an emotional bias to cold weather.  

You'd hope so. Your point is well taken, but I think
the Big Ten's rep for stodgy play hurts more. I hear
this a lot in Pennsylvania (I'm a scholastic sports
writer), that kids want to play for in an "exciting"
league with "wide-open" styles. Many kids reject PSU
on just this alone, and Mark's point that the really
fast kids see the NFL ahead and see a more wide-open
attack as a way to get there is well taken.

Look at NU this year. We had several big pass plays,
but almost all came on short routes that the receiver
made someone miss on. Even when Philmore was healthy,
we didn't fling the ball downfield. Many speedy WR
recruits would look at this and choose to play in a
more vertical Spurrier/June Jones-type offense.

J: I also don't accept your premise that kids in
Florida or California are 
inherently faster than kids anywhere else in the
country.  

You're putting words in my mouth. What I meant, and I
could have been clearer, is that so much of the talent
these days is in those states that, by definition,
much of the speed is as well.

J: (So much for not being able to recruit speed to 
NU).

Oh, we have recruited speed to NU - just not enough,
and if speed were enough to make a great wideout
Thompson would have played more. Or should have, that
may be Walker's fault.

J: Our challenge every year is to find twenty or so
good football 
players who are smart and fast.  This may be a larger
challenge than 
the 
state schools that we compete with, 

Yes, that's a challenge, and since we're drawing on a
smaller pool than anybody else in the league, it's a
huge challenge, one that may be beyond any NU coach.

To Sanford:

S: Is it possible that RW is tailoring his recruiting
and/or coaching to
the Big Ten style of play, and putting us at a
disadvantage when
we play outside the conference?  Any thoughts?

Yes, I think so, and he should be emphasizing the
league. The league is critical. We always have to be
able to win in Iowa City and Champaign; we rarely have
to win in Honolulu. The BT games are the heart of the
season and we have to be prepared for them. 

To me, Walker's greatest accomplishment is three
non-losing BT seasons in 5 years; the last time any NU
coach did that was -- amazingly -- 1941-1945 under
Lynn Waldorf. I want to win the league games first.

And yes, it probably hurts in non-con games. I would
still stay NU should beat the Hawaiis and TCUs of the
world, but we're not set up, esp. defensively, to stop
such teams. Maybe the n-c schedule should be against
BT-like teams.

To the Linhardts:

L: I think we need only 1 challenging non-conference
game in football

I am beginning to agree with this. As much as being on
regular-season TV is good, being in Bowls is better
(that extra month of practice!), I think. If a softer
n-c slate allows us to run off three or four years of
7-4 seasons, the ensuing glow of success and bowls and
good feelings would allow us to recruit better, esp.
given our Dark Ages past.

I know, I know, Mason's shenanigans haven't turned the
Goofers into Michigan, but: 1) his n-c slates have
turned Minny to a perennial bowl team and boosted his
recruiting; 2) one might argue that with a little
better game coaching/clock management vs. Big Blue
(thus aborting the usual post-Michigan collapse) Mason
would be in Pasadena -- or at least Tampa -- on New
Year's Day, and that has nothing to do with playing
Illinois State and 3) other than the BT co-title in
2000 (which I grant is huge), would we trade Minny's
last five years for ours? Uhh....yes?

I can't say I like endorsing this idea; it goes
against everything I believe in in sports, but I can't
talk myself out of it. Can anybody else? 

L: These were magnificient 
conference results(5-3) and the home games we saw were
exciting with good 
results.

Absolutely so, and let's not forget this. The 2004
Cats brought us a lot of thrills; one loss should not
erase the golden glow of a fine BT season.

To Mark:

M: Should Kansas be replaced 
by a
Sun Belt team?  

Maybe; I can live with Kansas in theory; the only
problem is they will insist on home-and-homes, and the
key to non-cons is to never leave home.

TCU should probably be replaced by 
Duke or
Army or Tulane.

Absolutely, 100 percent so. All are good suggestions
(and very friendly and exciting destinations for fans,
too, as opposed to Fort Worth or Lawrence, Kan.).

I think the schedule should probably have one 
"guarantee"
home game against a low level D-I team, one game (home
and away series)
against a peer institution, which we should usually
win, and one game
against a legitimate opponent on a home and away
basis.

Yes. The guarantee game should be against a MAC
garbage-barge outfit (NOT Miami -- those games we have
upcoming with them should be bought out NOW!). "peer"
should be Duke, which I'd never stop playing (alright,
I love the Carolina BBQ!). "legitimate" foes, I think,
should be good academic schools as well -- Stanford,
Boston College, Syracuse, North Carolina, Virginia,
Cal, say (even N*** D*** but no "home games" at the
Fruit Bowl, er, Soldier Field in that case); no
"stadiums with classrooms attached" as a Wisconsin
friend of mine refers to most SEC and Big 12 
outposts.

To Jonathan:

Ranting is understandable and welcome, given the
situation.

I even agree.

And can we agree, all of us, that Jerry Brown is a
nice man who needs to go work at NU's hospital or
something as a community relations flack or something
(Duke's hospital once had three ex-FB head coaches
there, I believe, serving out contracts)? Anywhere
else? Please? If fingers should be pointed at anybody,
I'd point them at Brown, whose units have been
miserable for years.

Also, maybe it's time -- long past time -- to hire a
special teams coach. So ship Brown out and hire a
special teams coach. The special teams will get better
and whatever Brown's doing cannot get worse. 

Brad Wilson




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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 30 05:08:01 2004
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Tue Nov 30 05:09:12 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] on walker leaving
Message-ID: <20041130110801.96429.qmail@web51309.mail.yahoo.com>

John:

I read Walker's comments your way as well and did so
when they first came out as well.

Even Walker was using a reporter to fish for a job,
which I don't think he was, I wonder if he'd be more
likely to use the S-T's Brian Hanley, who's been
around the NU beat longer; this kind of thing gets
done between reporters and coaches who really trust
each other, and Mullin's new on the NU beat.

I respect Mr. Schooler's passion and obvious intense
feelings on the issue, but I think he's seeing
something that just isn't there.

Brad Wilson





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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 30 06:55:20 2004
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Tue Nov 30 06:56:37 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-con scheduling
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Before the game on Saturday, one of the Honolulu papers said that we were
ten plays away from being 0-11.


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Maycock
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:50 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-con scheduling


Never seen anything like this year. I probably said this before, but if
you changed the outcome of just one or two plays per game, we could
*easily* be 9 and 3. Or 0 and 12. 

Tom




From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Tue Nov 30 07:21:24 2004
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Tue Nov 30 07:23:39 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Non-conference scheduling - redux
Message-ID: <20041130.052135.20951.10300@webmail27.nyc.untd.com>


Not to beat a dead horse, but I believe my point about 2 guaranteed wins was not understood.

My definition of a guaranteed win is:
- Opponent does not require a HOME game
- Opponent comes into the game as a major dog

Ohio U and NIU are the ONLY "guaranteed" wins in the schedules for the next 7 years.  NIU might even be too good, given their records over the previous years to be regarded as a "guaranteed" win.

Duke, Vandy, Air Force, TCU, Syracuse, etc. are not guaranteed wins.  The reason why they are not guaranteed wins is simple they come into the game regarding us a "guaranteed" win.  That sounds like a toss-up game to me.

I think we should exclude toss-up games against non-major conferences.  Throw out TCU and Air Force.  We don't get the credit for the win and we get punished for the loss.  Both demand home games.  I would not play them unless we get a 2 home games to 1 home game, which will never happen.

In a 11 game schedule we need 2 guaranteed wins to even have a chance at becoming bowl eligible.  We can't expect to dig ourselves out of a hole during the conference schedule.  If we could achieve a 4-4 record in the big ten consistently I think most listers would be overjoyed.  That is what every consistent Big Ten bowl eligible team achieves -- Purdue, Minnesota, MSU, Wisconsin, Iowa.  Michigan and Ohio State are anomalies dominant for decades on end.  Penn State post Paterno has to decide which group it will be in, but it definitely will not stick in the cellar.  Illinois and Indiana will not be bad forever, nor will Minnesota, Purdue, and Wisconsin be "decent" forever.  Many are just fluctuations in the coaching.  Wisconsin was pretty poor before Alvarez.  Same way with Purdue before Tiller.  Note:  I excluded MSU and Iowa, because I believe they are historically(past 40 years)upper-middle teams(5-3/6-2 big ten results).

It might not be good(or any) TV, but keep the non-conference schedule easy and we could be bowling 9 years out of 10.

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From jeffharristx at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 30 12:50:48 2004
From: jeffharristx at hotmail.com (Jeffrey M. Harris)
Date: Tue Nov 30 12:51:48 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Willingham out at ND; Davis out in Cleveland
Message-ID: <BAY23-F387CA6E737C4A08E93463CDFBE0@phx.gbl>

In case you haven't heard, Ty Willlingham will not be retained at Notre Dame 
for 2005.  Story at www.espn.go.com.

Also, Butch Davis is out of the Browns job.  Wonder if he'll get himself 
into one of the open college posts?

All the best, Jeff Harris (WCAS 1993)
Austin, TX


From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 30 12:57:11 2004
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 30 12:57:14 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Willingham out at ND, Urban Meyers next?
Message-ID: <200411301857.iAUIvBVK027161@romaine.tssi.com>

Now that ND has fired Tyrone Willingham, will they go after Urban
Meyers next?  Lou Holtz is available.  :-)
--
Mike Nolan

From CHerron604 at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 13:04:18 2004
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 30 13:08:18 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Willingham Out
Message-ID: <4A53EC13.15200001.0A143833@aol.com>

ND fires Willingham - 6-5 this year, 21-15 for 3 years

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf

(RW was 6-6 this season, 30-41 for 6 years)

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 30 13:26:23 2004
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Nov 30 13:27:35 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Now we NEED to fire Walker....
In-Reply-To: <000e01c4d6db$d9c206d0$220110ac@OFFICEDESKTOP2>
Message-ID: <20041130192624.30423.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com>

I didn't think Willingham would be available so quickly. He's one guy I would
like to see at NU, and he was successful at Stanford (same recruiting standards
as NU). 


>From www.cnnsi.com
-----------------
Notre Dame fires Willingham after three years
Posted: Tuesday November 30, 2004 1:48PM; Updated: Tuesday November 30, 2004
2:11PM

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) -- Coach Tyrone Willingham was fired by Notre Dame on
Tuesday after three seasons in which he failed to return one of the nation's
most storied football programs to prominence.




		
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 30 14:08:23 2004
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Nov 30 14:09:34 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] ND fires TW
Message-ID: <20041130200823.6963.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com>

Wow, 3 years and out for Willingham at Notre Dame. Winning record,
couple of bowl games, and only given 3 years to turn things around? One
story said that student groups were planning to protest today demanding
he be fired. 

Is it just me, or is this insane?

Tom

From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 15:03:23 2004
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 30 15:07:33 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Ty Willingham Out
Message-ID: <d6.1ad842b3.2ede3a1b@aol.com>

Unbelievable.  The guy only got 3 years and never  got to totally work with 
"his kids".  To echo a fellow lister, if RW does  leave or is pushed out for 
whatever reason (not that I am suggesting and/or  endorsing that proposition), 
TW would be a natural fit at NU, if he's  interested.  
 
Paul Levinson
From TyJLevine at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 16:48:50 2004
From: TyJLevine at aol.com (TyJLevine@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 30 16:52:50 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Notre Dame
Message-ID: <97.53953225.2ede52d2@aol.com>

Notre Dame may finally find out the reality of ND football in the 21st  
Century.  Without a conference it just isn't as an attractive job as it was  30 
years ago.
From MarkS83588 at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 17:44:40 2004
From: MarkS83588 at aol.com (MarkS83588@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 30 17:48:49 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] on walker leaving
Message-ID: <1BCAAB52.649607D4.0BDEF7BA@aol.com>

<<I respect Mr. Schooler's passion and obvious intense
feelings on the issue, but I think he's seeing
something that just isn't there.>>

This would not be the first time for Bob. I think back to the war with Charlie McK (aka puff). Tilting at windmills is a tough job, but someone has to do it.

From TyJLevine at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 18:56:17 2004
From: TyJLevine at aol.com (TyJLevine@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 30 18:57:56 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] ND fires TW
Message-ID: <1ee.2feae01a.2ede70b1@aol.com>

Not only is  it insane it shows how big their ego has grown.
 
The players were meeting to vote on whether they would play in the insight  
bowl.
 
I hope the players show some class and say screw ND and their 750K for  
playing in the game.
From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Tue Nov 30 19:24:11 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (sjtruog@jorsm.com)
Date: Tue Nov 30 19:31:13 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] DOH!mers
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References: <d6.1ad842b3.2ede3a1b@aol.com>
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I was only kidding last week when I thought Ty Willingham might not last a
year and we could hire him if for some reason RW really was seeking
another position ... I never thought he'd be axed after only three years
in South Bend.

I thought we'd seen the height of coaching stupidity last year when
Nebraska fired a coach after 9 wins. I guess no one learned from the first
bowl-less holiday season in Lincoln in eons.

I know that Irish alumni are brutal and they apparently had their hearts
set on O'Leary, but to never even give Ty a chance to work with his
recruits is ridiculous. The guy's a proven coach -- the only possible
reason is that they're real scared Urban Meyer will slip through to
Florida and they want to get him now. But if they don't get Meyer or some
mega-name, then this is a complete and utter failure for the Evil Empire
yet again.

They had a great coach who has proven he can win, even with academic
restrictions. He did a solid job at ND despite their
what-now-should-be-clear dropoff in talent during the Davie years. He won
at Rocky Top this year and was just getting his recruits in place to run
the new offense.

Now it's back to the drawing board for the Doh!mers ... new coach and new
system, recruits backing out (and others turned off by the classless way
this school just treated a class-act coach) ... another three or four
seasons without a BCS bowl and they're gonna be begging Delaney and the
Big Ten for admission. It's a tremendously stupid day for Notre Dame ...
and a BEAU-TEE-FUL day for Big Ten fans and Evil Empire haters everywhere.

See ... we needed to be cheered up after Saturday!:) And yes, Willingham
was at the top of my wish list, but that was IF for some reason Walker
left. This is gonna serve more as another example of getting too greedy
too fast. Nebraska is paying now ... so is Florida, who might be in the
bottom half of the SEC East soon if Spurrier works his magic at South
Carolina. Those two schools and Notre Dame are supposed to be the elites
that can survive anything ... hasty coaching shuffles can really hurt even
established programs these days, and for those trying to BUILD a program,
they can be devastating.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Tue Nov 30 19:53:11 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Nov 30 19:58:08 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Race and Notre Dame ...
Message-ID: <l03130300bdd2d2261212@[66.170.161.29]>

We've been tiptoeing around the issue lately on the list in regards to
recruiting, but Notre Dame (namely Paul Hornung) have just been trampling
through the tulips on it lately ...

What does it say to these "black athletes" that Horning says ND needs more
of when the school's first African-American coach is fired after only three
years (including a winning record, and a final season that included wins
over Michigan and Tennessee) ... while coaches like Faust and Davie are at
least given a chance to be judged by their own recruits after five years?

Willingham's too classy a coach to bring it up ... but regardless of color,
this is a pretty classless firing, especially for the high and mighty Notre
Dame, after only three years ... they haven't exactly been bringing in
bumper crops of recruits lately to begin with. This is a bigger image hit
than O'Leary's little old fib ever was ... it's gonna be real interesting
to see how this affects this year's class and the next few after that.

I found White's quote in the AP story to be both insulting and saddening --
he says Ty did everything right "between Sunday and Friday" in regards to
graduation rates and such. Well, he didn't do too bad on Saturdays either.
He wasn't exactly inheriting a BCS power after Davie dismantled the
program. He overachieved his first year, underachieved the second and did
OK this year -- not great, but at least he should have had a chance to
prove it with his recruits.

I'm really stunned by this -- I thought there'd be some heat in a year or
so, but such a sudden firing really makes the Doh!mers look bad.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 30 21:03:18 2004
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 30 21:06:58 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Ty Willingham Out
In-Reply-To: <d6.1ad842b3.2ede3a1b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4d752$4f499910$0200a8c0@DAVIDXP>

FWIW - the guys on the Bootleg, Stanford's Scout.com board comparable to Purple
Reign, were very happy to see Willingham leave.

He's apparently not easy to work with if you are the press that he doesn't want
to talk to and kept everything very close to his vest. I just happened to be
with the Stanford guys when Willingham left Stanford, and there was a bit of a
feeling by them that he got out of town before his stock slipped any more with
the Cardinal alumni.

I'm sure someone will find statistics to prove that he did a fabulous job at
Stanford, but remember that he was not the first or even the 2nd choice for the
job at N**** D***.


Go Cats - Vex Virginia

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of NEONRye@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:03 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Ty Willingham Out
> 
> 
> Unbelievable.  The guy only got 3 years and never  got to 
> totally work with 
> "his kids".  To echo a fellow lister, if RW does  leave or is 
> pushed out for 
> whatever reason (not that I am suggesting and/or  endorsing 
> that proposition), 
> TW would be a natural fit at NU, if he's  interested.  
>  
> Paul Levinson
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From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Tue Nov 30 21:05:43 2004
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Tue Nov 30 21:13:42 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Notre Dame
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C268070146EF4A@goose.latimes.com>

Much as it pains me to say, I completely disagree. 
 I'd argue it's the premier job in college FB. 
 I went there three years ago to do a story on Willingham. The place is amazing. And this really pains me (boss is a Domer) but our country is a better place because of the values ND seeks to instill in its graduates. (Not saying those values aren't taken to heart elsewhere. Just noting that they are a core component of the purported ND experience.)
 A cherished value at ND is winning. My guess - I have no inside info - is they believe Urban Meyer is a once-in -a-generation talent, and they have to act decisively to get him. 
 One more painful admission: college FB is better off when ND is a consistent winner. 
 Now, from our perspective, life is better when the Cats beat the Domers. 17-15, baby. 
 By the way, I'd love to see ND in Big 10 and see Cats, Irish square off each fall. 
 - Alan




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To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Tue Nov 30 14:48:50 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Notre Dame

Notre Dame may finally find out the reality of ND football in the 21st  
Century.  Without a conference it just isn't as an attractive job as it was  30 
years ago.
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 30 21:32:58 2004
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue Nov 30 21:36:50 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Now we NEED to fire Walker....
References: <20041130192624.30423.qmail@web53807.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41AD3B6A.60909@earthlink.net>

While I agree that Willingham would fit in nicely at NU (as would Boise 
State's Gandhi-quoting, Aristotle-quoting, Socratic method coach Dan 
Hawkins), I do not agree with the title of the post.  We do not need to 
fire Walker, and I don't think we should.  Sorry, but this season was 
one of the most exciting ones we've ever had at NU.  Sure it was 
depressing to have lost that last game, but the thrills this team gave 
us this year is enough for me.  Four overtime games and a #1 graduation 
rate in the nation is more than satisfactory to me.  -- Jim B.

Jim Leonard wrote:

>I didn't think Willingham would be available so quickly. He's one guy I would
>like to see at NU, and he was successful at Stanford (same recruiting standards
>as NU). 
>
>
>>From www.cnnsi.com
>-----------------
>Notre Dame fires Willingham after three years
>Posted: Tuesday November 30, 2004 1:48PM; Updated: Tuesday November 30, 2004
>2:11PM
>
>SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) -- Coach Tyrone Willingham was fired by Notre Dame on
>Tuesday after three seasons in which he failed to return one of the nation's
>most storied football programs to prominence.
>
>
>  
>



From Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com  Tue Nov 30 22:40:06 2004
From: Alan.Abrahamson at latimes.com (Abrahamson, Alan)
Date: Tue Nov 30 22:48:03 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] willingham, part II
Message-ID: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C268070146EF4C@goose.latimes.com>

 By the way, Willingham was a class act -- at least he treated me that way -- and didn't deserve this.
 And while I extolled ND's commitment to values in my last post, which I genuinely believe is real, I do have to wonder what role, if any, race played in his firing. Three years into a five-year deal? At ND? 
 The only answer I can come up with is, again, that the school's leadership wants Meyer. He was an assistant there, understands the entire ND drill, is obviously a talented FB coach.
 Any, all thoughts welcome.
 - Alan

From sjtruog at jorsm.com  Tue Nov 30 23:10:12 2004
From: sjtruog at jorsm.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Nov 30 23:29:21 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Notre Dame
In-Reply-To: <6A0419188B49A54C960893D230C268070146EF4A@goose.latimes.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300bdd2fd98479f@[66.170.162.75]>

>Much as it pains me to say, I completely disagree.
> I'd argue it's the premier job in college FB.

Hmm, I kind of chuckled when the lead in the AP story flatly stated in
their lede that it IS the premier job in college coaching. But then again,
some AP writers would still vote the Irish in the top 25 if they were 5-6.:)

I have no doubt that at one time it WAS the premier job ... but I really
doubt it is anymore. Would Pete Carroll or Bob Stoops even return a call
from the Domers? Would Jim Tressel or Lloyd Carr swap spots? Bobby Bowden
and Philip Fulmer probably won't even notice that the position's been
vacated.

Point being -- Notre Dame's facilities are nice (though a smaller copycat
of Michigan Stadium:) ), but nothing you don't see at 20 or 30 other top
programs. Heck, with the renovations the past few years, half the Big Ten
stadiums and practice facilities/weight rooms are as good as Notre Dame's.

And the Irish's biggest edge used to be that they had a TV network -- but
that's not as big anymore either. We were on TV as much as the Irish this
past season ... ditto for Michigan, Florida, Texas and other schools.

It's just not the premier job anymore. A prestigious one? Yes. But THE top
spot? No way -- their last disastrous coaching search should have shown
that ... people weren't falling all over themselves to get to South Bend
and you could make a case then, and probably still now, that the open
Florida position is more attractive in terms of facilities, recruiting,
pay/benefits and notoriety or support. Heck -- despite poor marks in recent
years, you could make a good case for Penn State being better ... fine
facilities, rabid fan base thirsting for a return to glory ... a fertile
state for recruiting, not to mention that Ohio's nextdoor and the entire
Northeast is yours as well, with loads of media coverage in the nation's
biggest markets. Plus the Big Ten = TV coverage.

>And this really pains me (boss is a Domer) but our country is a better
>place because of the values ND seeks to instill in its graduates. (Not
>saying those values aren't taken to heart elsewhere. Just noting that they
>are a core component of the purported ND experience.)

It's a great university - no argument there. But I'm not sure that always
overlaps with the athletes any school turns out.

In any case, I'd be more concerned with the values the athletic department
has been instilling lately -- to hail Ty's work "Sunday through Friday"
while not giving him the same opportunity to succeed that the school gave
Bob Davie or other coaches with worse tenures doesn't really show a
committment to these "values."

> One more painful admission: college FB is better off when ND is a
>consistent winner.

Not sure I agree there either ... I've enjoyed the messed up title races of
the last decade ... sans Notre Dame ... just as much or more as I enjoyed
the previous decade of Lou Holtz teams in the top 5 every year or so. It
might not be as fun to watch them lose anymore if they keep doing it so
often:) -- but the BCS has certainly been much more interesting the six
years ND was out of it, with a lot of teams fighting for that extra slot,
than the one year they snuck in (undeservedly to many) and got spanked by
Oregon State.

> By the way, I'd love to see ND in Big 10 and see Cats, Irish square off each

That may be one of the extra benefits of this besides seeing the Irish
program struggle and look bad.:) We've asked them to join -- their own
academic faculty has asked them to join ... it just makes sense
academically, athletically, geographically and everything else for Notre
Dame to be in the Big Ten. But they've been too arrogant to listen to the
"values" of the university educators or common sense and have spurned the
offer. Maybe a few more years on the outside looking in while they rebuild
will be enough to knock some sense into Notre Dame.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From johnl at mac.com  Tue Nov 30 23:49:02 2004
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Tue Nov 30 23:49:21 2004
Subject: [NU Sports] Notre Dame
In-Reply-To: <l03130300bdd2fd98479f@[66.170.162.75]>
References: <l03130300bdd2fd98479f@[66.170.162.75]>
Message-ID: <B49519DB-435C-11D9-9483-000A95960BF2@mac.com>

>
> I have no doubt that at one time it WAS the premier job ... but I 
> really
> doubt it is anymore. Would Pete Carroll or Bob Stoops even return a 
> call
> from the Domers? Would Jim Tressel or Lloyd Carr swap spots? Bobby 
> Bowden
> and Philip Fulmer probably won't even notice that the position's been
> vacated.

I'm not sure what the answer to this is, but if ND is not the top job, 
then what is?  I don't think your analysis above is correct.  Fifteen 
years ago, Joe Paterno wouldn't have been interested in a job at ND 
either.  In other words, the best job for a coach who is already at one 
of the top dozen or so programs and has already established a winning 
record is probably where he already is.  The right question is what is 
the number one school where coaches hope to coach among coaches who are 
aren't already at top programs.  I think ND would still be up there.

>
> And the Irish's biggest edge used to be that they had a TV network -- 
> but
> that's not as big anymore either. We were on TV as much as the Irish 
> this
> past season ... ditto for Michigan, Florida, Texas and other schools.
>
I've heard you say this before, but no one else has nearly as many 
games nationally televised on a broadcast network as Notre Dame.  By 
nationally televised, I mean televised everywhere in the nation.  By 
broadcast network, I mean one you can get on the rabbit ears.  Every 
single home game and at least some of their road games (including last 
weekend's) fall into this category.

Like it or not, the Notre Dame football program is a national 
phenomenon like no other.  Two other points on this topic:  1) Sports 
Center spent the first 20 minutes on this subject tonight (it's very 
unusual for Sports Center to spend that much time on any topic); 2) 
We're talking about this on this list.

On the main subject at hand, yes, it was crazy for them to fire 
Willingham, but it makes for interesting news.

