[NU Sports] Minny's graduation rate compared with Northwestern

[s.fridley at comcast.net]

With regard to the basketball team, remember that we had a slew of transfers associated with the transition from O'Neill to Carmody.  I would be concerned if we had a poor graduation rate among players who didn't transfer to another school.  But I can't remember the last NU player who didn't transfer but didn't graduate.

It appears the latest numbers are for students who entered in 97-98 (O'Neill's first season after the firing of Byrdsong).  Remember how many players left in 2000, 2001, 2002?

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> Don't know how the NCAA comes up with it's institutional numbers and 
> that's always the challenge in any statistical analysis. 
> 
> BUT 
> 
> The issue is just as much a question of why is NU's graduation rate is 
> LOWER than the overall institutional rate as it is why Minny's athletic 
> graduation rate is higher. 
> 
> This is an NU list after all. 
> 
> Jeff 
> 
> 
> Louie Vaccher wrote: 
> 
> >You bring up a good point but I think those numbers may be a little 
> >misleading. 
> > 
> >If I'm not mistaken, Minnesota is a large, public school with a lot of 
> >commuting and part-time students, and students that spend a short time there 
> >and then move on. So, I'm guessing that their student body graduation rate 
> >is falsely low, and it would be much higher for students that stay four or 
> >five years. 
> > 
> >A better comparison would be to measure the graduation rate of all students 
> >who stay at Minny for four or five years against the student-athletes that 
> >stay four or five years. I'll bet that the graduation rate for athletes 
> >(which would probably be pretty close to that 58% number) would be lower 
> >than the student body's as a whole in that case. 
> > 
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Jeff Beamsley" 
> >To: "NU Sports list" 
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:53 AM 
> >Subject: [NU Sports] Minny's graduation rate compared with Northwestern 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>There is a lot of press today saying how bad Minny's athletic situation 
> >>is because they are last in the BT in athletic graduation rate (58%), 
> >>but that is six points BETTER than the graduation rate for the whole 
> >>institution (52%). Now this isn't something to brag about, but in 
> >>general the athletic department is doing a better job than the 
> >>institution in graduating people. 
> >> 
> >>In comparison, Northwestern graduated 87% of it's athletes (on average), 
> >>but the institution graduated 92%. So the athletic department did five 
> >>points WORSE than the whole institution. When you dig into the numbers, 
> >>it was the basketball team that appeared to have some problems (did our 
> >>euro imports graduate?). 
> >> 
> >>Seems to me that you shouldn't hold an any athletic department to a 
> >>higher standard than the whole institution and you should celebrate 
> >>those athletic departments that do a better job than the institution 
> >>itself. Those athletic departments with positive numbers are 
> >>demonstrating their commitment to education. 
> >> 
> >>If you reorg the list based on difference between the athletic 
> >>department and the institutional graduation rates it looks a little 
> >>different. 
> >> 
> >>Minny +6 
> >>Purdue +6 
> >>OSU +5 
> >>Iowa +5 
> >>PSU -1 
> >>MSU -2 
> >>NU - 5 
> >>Indiana -5 
> >>Wisky -5 
> >>Illinois -9 
> >>UoM -10 
> >> 
> >>Jeff 
> >> 
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