[Husker] Out Coached. Again.

[David Strong]

Well yes, the point of my original post was asking a hypothetical
question.  I then subsequently gave my own answer to it.  You have been
commenting on my answer, without ever providing one of your own.  That's ok
of course, if that's what you want to do.  Your comments are good, I don't
happen to agree with them, but that's ok too. :-)  It's a discussion,
doesn't have to be an arguement.

Dave

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Agris Taurins <taurins at scifipenguin.com>wrote:

> I didn't know I had a question to answer! :)
>
> I mention firing Bo because that's what "would you hire him today" seemed
> to imply to me.  Sorry if I interpreted it wrong.  Just in case anyone puts
> me in one camp or another, I'm NOT in the "fire Bo" or even in the "I don't
> like him" camps.  Do I think he has things that need improvement?  You
> bet.  Do I think he's good enough that he sees those himself?  Yes.  Do I
> think he'll make enough changes/improvements to keep the angry husker
> villigers with torches & pitchforks away?  Only time will tell, I don't
> have a good answer for that one.
>
> Still thinking about answering questions, I DO believe Bo is of good
> character.  We all have our faults, ALL have areas in our lives (both
> professional & personal) where we could improve.  But assuming we had
> interests in common, I would hang out with Bo.  Without having listened to
> any recruiting spiel, I would not have qualms about letting him coach &
> mentor my child for 4-5 years.
>
> Agris
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, David Strong <gobigredlist at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Agris...best response so far.  At least you have some points to make and
> > you make them, though you don't answer the question.  No, I'm not going
> to
> > define "character".  If anyone needs a definition of a word, there are
> > plenty of tools to find it.  But you and others keep bringing up firing
> > Pelini?  Is someone really talking about firing Pelini?  And for what
> > grounds?  He has neither failed in his job nor committed a fire-able
> > offense.  (though he is amassing a "body of work" as a major league
> asshole
> > that may eventually get him).  So no cause that I know of to fire the
> guy,
> > plenty of cause not to like him.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Agris Taurins <
> taurins at scifipenguin.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not trolling here, but define "character".
> >>
> >> From all reports Bo runs a clean program.  He is concerned with
> following
> >> the rules.  He makes sure players go to class.   He seems to care about
> >> doing his best to give his staff as much "work/life balance" as is
> >> possible
> >> in his profession.  At a personal level, he has no (as far as I know)
> >> significant off-field issues.  While some may not agree with his
> choices,
> >> he seems to evaluate his staff and isn't afraid to make changes to it if
> >> he
> >> feels it's required (e.g. Shawn Watson).
> >>
> >> Has he gotten emotional on the sidelines?  Sure.  Is that one point
> (which
> >> IMHO seems to be on the decline) significant enough to substantiate the
> >> claim that "...he utterly lacks character..."?  Not in my book, but
> that's
> >> why I ask what your definition of "character" is.
> >>
> >> As to the claim that "...he's not that good a coach...", again arguments
> >> can be claimed the other way.  Especially if you look back a Osborne's
> >> record in the late 70's especially.  Are there things that he could do
> >> better?  Absolutely.  And I suspect that in a candid discussion Bo might
> >> very well be the first person to say that.  Hell, I think that when he
> >> blames himself after a loss saying that he and his staff were out
> coached,
> >> he's saying he could and needs to improve.
> >>
> >> Let's say that 10-3, 9-4 is what his average season will be.
>  Considering
> >> everything else in the program is clean (let's take that as a given for
> >> this argument), is that enough to fire him?  Perhaps, but perhaps not.
> >> Nebraska as a football school as limitations.  It's not in a populous
> >> state, so much recruit far and wide.  It's not particularly well known
> for
> >> it's academic rigor and prestige, so it can't leverage that.  It's not
> in
> >> a
> >> particularly desirable location (cold winters, no beaches, no large
> metro
> >> sophisticated area, etc) so it has that to overcome as well.  Does that
> >> mean we CAN'T recruit good enough players?  Of course not, but it's just
> >> that much harder to do so on a regular basis.
> >>
> >> If we get rid of Bo, who's getting 10-3, 9-4 seasons on average who are
> we
> >> going to get to come in here and GUARANTEE to do better?  Consistently.
>  I
> >> don't know, I'm sure some will say those coaches are out there and they
> >> may
> >> very well be.  But to some extent, every new coach is a crap shoot.  I
> >> wasn't all that thrilled when they hired Callahan (for several reasons)
> >> but
> >> no way did I believe that he was going to bring the program as far down
> as
> >> he did.
> >>
> >> Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:21 AM, David Strong <gobigredlist at gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > > Actually Coach Pelini has Tom Osborne's endorsement. Remember it was
> >> Tom
> >> > > Osborne that chose Bo over Turner Gill. If Tom Osborne does not
> >> believe
> >> > > that Coach Pelini is cutting the mustard, then he will cut him
> loose.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > You mean "had" Tom Osborne's endorsement.  I posted this a few months
> >> back
> >> > and the silence was deafening.  Even the most zealous Pelini apologist
> >> > doesnt want to touch it.  I'll try again.
> >> >
> >> > If four years ago, Bo Pelini had been hired as the head coach of a
> >> school
> >> > other than Nebraska, and in that four years behaved exactly as he has
> >> done
> >> > here at Nebraska, do you really think that Tom Osborne would even
> >> consider
> >> > him a candidate, much less give him the job, of Head Coach at the
> >> > University of Nebraska?
> >> >
> >> > My answer...of course not.  Because 1. He's not that good a coach and
> >> 2. he
> >> > utterly lacks character.  And character always counts...with Tom
> >> Osborne,
> >> > with me, and it should with you.  I know it doesn't with Jon and the
> >> others
> >> > who have made it quite clear that they don't care how the coach acts
> as
> >> > long as he wins, but they are wrong.  Character always counts...in
> this
> >> and
> >> > everything else.
> >> >
> >> > Dave
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