[Husker] Finally watched

Mon Oct 22 13:48:35 CDT 2012

Agris -

Thanks, that explains it perfectly.

And thanks to your official friend.  8^)

Nick

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Agris Taurins <taurins at gmail.com> wrote:
> My interpretation of his comment...
>
> There is an official rule for determining if a lineman is "on the line of
> scrimmage".  The lineman in question has to break the waist of the center.
> In practice, when a lineman is somewhat off of the ball, it's sometimes
> hard to tell if he's really breaking the plane (through the center's wast)
> or not, so this is typically a grey area of "is he/isn't he".  Typically,
> in case of doubt, it's assumed that a lineman is on-the-line since (again,
> typically) they're not gaining an advantage by being a few inches back.
> However, if you can see daylight/space/a gap between the center's butt
> (well behind his waist) and the chest/helmet of the lineman, it's pretty
> obvious that the lineman in question is off of the line, in the backfield.
> A much more obvious violation of the rule.  Sort of like holding.
> Technically you could probably call holding on every play.  I practice, it
> has to be pretty obvious and/or impacting the play before it is actually
> called.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Nick Chevance <nickchevance at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Agris -
>>
>> Could you clarify what you (or your official friend) means by
>> "daylight between them and the center's ass."
>>
>> As I watched the replay last night, on the two calls, there was a
>> visual offset of where those tackles were from the guard next to them,
>> but I'm not sure how I'd interpret that definition of yours.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Agris Taurins <taurins at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > A couple of people's comments got me thinking.  I was extrapolating
>> collage
>> > mechanics from HS mechanics and was suddenly filled with doubt.  I
>> checked
>> > with an official friend (a friend who's an official, I don't classify
>> > friends like that!) and here is his response:
>> >
>> > Both the H and L are responsible for counting the offense.  They don't
>> > confirm their count with anyone except to themselves, usually they
>> confirm
>> > visually for evaluation purposes, fist up on offensive side is what I do.
>> > College rule is no more than 4 in the backfield, college doesn't care
>> about
>> > men on the LOS.  H and L are responsible for having their guard, tackle
>> and
>> > TE on the LOS.  Conferences differ on how they handle these 3 players not
>> > on the LOS or in the grey area.  Big 10 and Big 12 both give warnings
>> when
>> > any of these 3 players are in the grey area.  Big 12 gives warnings when
>> > any of these 3 players have daylight between them and the centers ass,
>> and
>> > continue to warn them throughout the game.  Big 10 flags, without
>> > warning, when any of these 3 players have daylight between them and the
>> > centers ass.
>> >
>> >
>> > Hope that clears some things up.  He did also confirm that if they're a
>> > covered lineman (not an end) in a 3 point stance and lift their hand to
>> > reposition it's motion.  If they're not on the line, well, they must be
>> in
>> > the backfield so they can reposition as long as they don't simulate a
>> snap
>> > reaction.
>> >
>> >
>> > Agris
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Yes and that is the case with a OT against a speed rusher,  they will
>> be
>> >> in
>> >> > a 2 pt stance on obvious passing downs.
>> >>
>> >> If you watched the Steelers game last night, there were many occasions
>> >> when the rest of the OL was a good 2-3 feet behind the center.
>> >>
>> >> NFL officiating standards and college officiating standards aren't quite
>> >> the same, obviously.
>> >>
>> >> I know that in the NFL the linesman puts his hand out to indicate
>> whether
>> >> or not the OL players are on the line, I don't know if they do the same
>> >> thing in college officiating.
>> >>
>> >> I don't think we have any current/former college officials on the list
>> >> at the moment to give us a definitive answer.
>> >>
>> >> It could take a half hour of reading through the rulebook to figure out
>> >> whether players in the backfield can come out of a 3 point stance.  (I
>> >> have always had the utmost admiration for coaches like Osborne who study
>> >> the rulebook to look for nuances that they can build plays around.)
>> >> --
>> >> Mike Nolan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: husker-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces at tssi.com] On
>> >> Behalf Of
>> >> > Agris Taurins
>> >> > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:48 PM
>> >> > To: husker at tssi.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Husker] Finally watched
>> >> >
>> >> > Once a linesman (not an end) puts his hand down, he can't pick it up
>> >> again
>> >> > without it being a false start.  If he's only standing/squatting
>> there (2
>> >> > points), as long as he isn't simulating a start/snap most officials
>> will
>> >> > them reposition/move up.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Dick Karre <dkarre at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > On 10/21/2012 5:01 PM, Andy Knipp wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> He stands on the line of scrimmage and will stick his arm out to
>> the
>> >> > >> offense's side when there are 7 or more players on the line
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>  I've seen that, but never knew its purpose. Now, if an OL has
>> taken
>> >> > >> his
>> >> > > three-point stance and then moves up to get on the line, is it a
>> false
>> >> > > start? Presumably not, since otherwise the linesman's signal would
>> be
>> >> > > of no use.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > Dick Karre
>> >> > > dkarre at comcast.net
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
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