[Husker] Finally watched

Mon Oct 22 13:45:03 CDT 2012

My interpretation of his comment...

There is an official rule for determining if a lineman is "on the line of
scrimmage".  The lineman in question has to break the waist of the center.
In practice, when a lineman is somewhat off of the ball, it's sometimes
hard to tell if he's really breaking the plane (through the center's wast)
or not, so this is typically a grey area of "is he/isn't he".  Typically,
in case of doubt, it's assumed that a lineman is on-the-line since (again,
typically) they're not gaining an advantage by being a few inches back.
However, if you can see daylight/space/a gap between the center's butt
(well behind his waist) and the chest/helmet of the lineman, it's pretty
obvious that the lineman in question is off of the line, in the backfield.
A much more obvious violation of the rule.  Sort of like holding.
Technically you could probably call holding on every play.  I practice, it
has to be pretty obvious and/or impacting the play before it is actually
called.

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Nick Chevance <nickchevance at gmail.com>wrote:

> Agris -
>
> Could you clarify what you (or your official friend) means by
> "daylight between them and the center's ass."
>
> As I watched the replay last night, on the two calls, there was a
> visual offset of where those tackles were from the guard next to them,
> but I'm not sure how I'd interpret that definition of yours.
>
> Nick
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Agris Taurins <taurins at gmail.com> wrote:
> > A couple of people's comments got me thinking.  I was extrapolating
> collage
> > mechanics from HS mechanics and was suddenly filled with doubt.  I
> checked
> > with an official friend (a friend who's an official, I don't classify
> > friends like that!) and here is his response:
> >
> > Both the H and L are responsible for counting the offense.  They don't
> > confirm their count with anyone except to themselves, usually they
> confirm
> > visually for evaluation purposes, fist up on offensive side is what I do.
> > College rule is no more than 4 in the backfield, college doesn't care
> about
> > men on the LOS.  H and L are responsible for having their guard, tackle
> and
> > TE on the LOS.  Conferences differ on how they handle these 3 players not
> > on the LOS or in the grey area.  Big 10 and Big 12 both give warnings
> when
> > any of these 3 players are in the grey area.  Big 12 gives warnings when
> > any of these 3 players have daylight between them and the centers ass,
> and
> > continue to warn them throughout the game.  Big 10 flags, without
> > warning, when any of these 3 players have daylight between them and the
> > centers ass.
> >
> >
> > Hope that clears some things up.  He did also confirm that if they're a
> > covered lineman (not an end) in a 3 point stance and lift their hand to
> > reposition it's motion.  If they're not on the line, well, they must be
> in
> > the backfield so they can reposition as long as they don't simulate a
> snap
> > reaction.
> >
> >
> > Agris
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > Yes and that is the case with a OT against a speed rusher,  they will
> be
> >> in
> >> > a 2 pt stance on obvious passing downs.
> >>
> >> If you watched the Steelers game last night, there were many occasions
> >> when the rest of the OL was a good 2-3 feet behind the center.
> >>
> >> NFL officiating standards and college officiating standards aren't quite
> >> the same, obviously.
> >>
> >> I know that in the NFL the linesman puts his hand out to indicate
> whether
> >> or not the OL players are on the line, I don't know if they do the same
> >> thing in college officiating.
> >>
> >> I don't think we have any current/former college officials on the list
> >> at the moment to give us a definitive answer.
> >>
> >> It could take a half hour of reading through the rulebook to figure out
> >> whether players in the backfield can come out of a 3 point stance.  (I
> >> have always had the utmost admiration for coaches like Osborne who study
> >> the rulebook to look for nuances that they can build plays around.)
> >> --
> >> Mike Nolan
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: husker-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces at tssi.com] On
> >> Behalf Of
> >> > Agris Taurins
> >> > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:48 PM
> >> > To: husker at tssi.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [Husker] Finally watched
> >> >
> >> > Once a linesman (not an end) puts his hand down, he can't pick it up
> >> again
> >> > without it being a false start.  If he's only standing/squatting
> there (2
> >> > points), as long as he isn't simulating a start/snap most officials
> will
> >> > them reposition/move up.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Dick Karre <dkarre at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On 10/21/2012 5:01 PM, Andy Knipp wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> He stands on the line of scrimmage and will stick his arm out to
> the
> >> > >> offense's side when there are 7 or more players on the line
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>  I've seen that, but never knew its purpose. Now, if an OL has
> taken
> >> > >> his
> >> > > three-point stance and then moves up to get on the line, is it a
> false
> >> > > start? Presumably not, since otherwise the linesman's signal would
> be
> >> > > of no use.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Dick Karre
> >> > > dkarre at comcast.net
> >> > >
> >> > >
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