[Husker] Re: husker Digest, Vol 8, Issue 4
Shubert Stephen
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Mon Jan 3 10:46:54 CST 2011
If I had my dream OC, it would be Osborne as OC. I think he can see more
happening on the field than most any other coach I know.
But.......... that is just a wish.
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Today's Topics:
1. Pederson & Pitt (Gary Fead)
2. OWH re-read (David Strong)
3. Re: Pederson & Pitt (Paul Dalen)
4. Weis to Florida (David Strong)
5. Re: Weis to Florida (Scott Stewart)
6. Re: Weis to Florida (Robert Christensen)
7. Re: Weis to Florida (David Strong)
8. Re: Weis to Florida (Robert Christensen)
9. Re: Weis to Florida (David Strong)
10. Re: Capitol One Bowl (Lynette Tillner)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 8:15:35 -0600
From: Gary Fead <gwfead at cox.net>
Subject: [Husker] Pederson & Pitt
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Read in this morning's Cincinnati Enquirer that the Chancellor at Pitt put out a
very strongly worded statement last night giving his "full support" to Steve
Pederson saying he continues to be part of the "senior leadership" at the
University of Pittsburgh. Doesn't sound like he's going anywhere for the time
being unless this next hire flops badly. I'm far from a Pederson fan but to be
fair it's kind of hard to fault him as I doubt that he saw this coming unless
there was something in the background check that was overlooked.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110101/SPT01/312310035/1196/NEWS/Pitt-fires-Haywood-after-arrest
Gary Fead
Omaha
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:50:17 -0500
From: David Strong <gobigredlist at gmail.com>
Subject: [Husker] OWH re-read
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This was a piece written just after the first game of the season about
Taylor and Casey Martinez. It's a very interesting read from the aspect of
all that has happened since the beginning of the year.
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100910/BIGRED/709109784
Dave
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 13:54:13 -0600
From: Paul Dalen <quesohusker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Husker] Pederson & Pitt
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I agree that FADSP couldn't see this coming, but there's a lot of
similarities in the way he forced Solich and Wannstedt out. I've seen
reports that few coaches are willing to work for him because of this. His
only real hope is to get a coordinator from somewhere. A current HC isn't
going to be interested. And THAT has to be a concern for his boss.
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Gary Fead <gwfead at cox.net> wrote:
> Read in this morning's Cincinnati Enquirer that the Chancellor at Pitt put
> out a very strongly worded statement last night giving his "full support" to
> Steve Pederson saying he continues to be part of the "senior leadership" at
> the University of Pittsburgh. Doesn't sound like he's going anywhere for the
> time being unless this next hire flops badly. I'm far from a Pederson fan
> but to be fair it's kind of hard to fault him as I doubt that he saw this
> coming unless there was something in the background check that was
> overlooked.
>
>
>http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110101/SPT01/312310035/1196/NEWS/Pitt-fires-Haywood-after-arrest
>t
>
> Gary Fead
> Omaha
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:57:52 -0500
From: David Strong <gobigredlist at gmail.com>
Subject: [Husker] Weis to Florida
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So Florida hires a young, top-tier defensive coordinator as their head
coach. The guy loves defense and is good at it. Not so much offense. So
they go and get a top-tier offensive coordinator to go with him.
Seems like a pretty good idea.
Dave
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:19:17 -0500
From: Scott Stewart <fourtwophd at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Husker] Weis to Florida
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However, if my memory is correct NU had a pretty effective offense in place
when NU hired Bo.
SW's teams could move the ball back then and score points, NU just didn't
have a defense. Now it is the opposite problem, but either it was the other
asst's were much better than we have now, the talent on offense was better,
or BC could coach.
SW has been there when we had good offenses and bad. I even think he was
calling plays when we were scoring and giving up oodles of points.
Scott
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 2:57 PM, David Strong <gobigredlist at gmail.com> wrote:
> So Florida hires a young, top-tier defensive coordinator as their head
> coach. The guy loves defense and is good at it. Not so much offense. So
> they go and get a top-tier offensive coordinator to go with him.
>
> Seems like a pretty good idea.
>
> Dave
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 15:14:35 -0600
From: Robert Christensen <fourbox at nctc.net>
Subject: Re: [Husker] Weis to Florida
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Yeah Dave, Weis really looked like a top-tier offensive mind at Notre Dame!
Bob in the Sandhills
On 1/2/2011 1:57 PM, David Strong wrote:
> So Florida hires a young, top-tier defensive coordinator as their head
> coach. The guy loves defense and is good at it. Not so much offense. So
> they go and get a top-tier offensive coordinator to go with him.
>
> Seems like a pretty good idea.
>
> Dave
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:37:30 -0500
From: David Strong <gobigredlist at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Husker] Weis to Florida
To: Robert Christensen <fourbox at nctc.net>
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Sorry, I might have gotten this wrong. I thought the generally accepted
take on CW was that he was a terrific coordinator, one of the best Xs and Os
guys in the business, but was not a particularly good coach. I might have
made a mistake on this.
Dave
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Robert Christensen <fourbox at nctc.net> wrote:
> Yeah Dave, Weis really looked like a top-tier offensive mind at Notre Dame!
>
> Bob in the Sandhills
>
> On 1/2/2011 1:57 PM, David Strong wrote:
>
>> So Florida hires a young, top-tier defensive coordinator as their head
>> coach. The guy loves defense and is good at it. Not so much offense. So
>> they go and get a top-tier offensive coordinator to go with him.
>>
>> Seems like a pretty good idea.
>>
>> Dave
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 15:53:39 -0600
From: Robert Christensen <fourbox at nctc.net>
Subject: Re: [Husker] Weis to Florida
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I think they said that about Callahan too. I think being a "terrific
coordinator" in the NFL is far different from being good at the college
level. I'm not sure I believe either of them can teach and coach up
with the recruits in college. But I do have to say my opinion of BC and
CW are about the same as your opinion of Bo.
Bob in the Sandhills
On 1/2/2011 3:37 PM, David Strong wrote:
> Sorry, I might have gotten this wrong. I thought the generally
> accepted take on CW was that he was a terrific coordinator, one of the
> best Xs and Os guys in the business, but was not a particularly good
> coach. I might have made a mistake on this.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Robert Christensen <fourbox at nctc.net
> <mailto:fourbox at nctc.net>> wrote:
>
> Yeah Dave, Weis really looked like a top-tier offensive mind at
> Notre Dame!
>
> Bob in the Sandhills
>
> On 1/2/2011 1:57 PM, David Strong wrote:
>
> So Florida hires a young, top-tier defensive coordinator as
> their head
> coach. The guy loves defense and is good at it. Not so much
> offense. So
> they go and get a top-tier offensive coordinator to go with him.
>
> Seems like a pretty good idea.
>
> Dave
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:54:34 -0500
From: David Strong <gobigredlist at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Husker] Weis to Florida
To: Robert Christensen <fourbox at nctc.net>
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I agree with you. Neither of those two guys appears to be able to teach or
coach up. I think that is the point. They both are very good coordinators,
not very good coaches. Now...can you use your coordinator strictly as that
at the college level? Or do your coordinators also *have* to be teachers
and coaches. I don't know. But if you can just use coordinators as
coordinators, and not as coaches or teachers, then either of those guys
might work. We'll see how it goes at Florida.
And my opinion of BP is WAY beyond that of Bill Callahan (I have no opinion
on Charlie Weis.)
Bo Pelini is (I think) a terrific coach and motivator, as well as a great
defensive coordinator.
Dave
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Robert Christensen <fourbox at nctc.net> wrote:
> I think they said that about Callahan too. I think being a "terrific
> coordinator" in the NFL is far different from being good at the college
> level. I'm not sure I believe either of them can teach and coach up with
> the recruits in college. But I do have to say my opinion of BC and CW are
> about the same as your opinion of Bo.
>
> Bob in the Sandhills
>
> On 1/2/2011 3:37 PM, David Strong wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I might have gotten this wrong. I thought the generally accepted
>> take on CW was that he was a terrific coordinator, one of the best Xs and Os
>> guys in the business, but was not a particularly good coach. I might have
>> made a mistake on this.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Robert Christensen <fourbox at nctc.net<mailto:
>> fourbox at nctc.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah Dave, Weis really looked like a top-tier offensive mind at
>> Notre Dame!
>>
>> Bob in the Sandhills
>>
>> On 1/2/2011 1:57 PM, David Strong wrote:
>>
>> So Florida hires a young, top-tier defensive coordinator as
>> their head
>> coach. The guy loves defense and is good at it. Not so much
>> offense. So
>> they go and get a top-tier offensive coordinator to go with him.
>>
>> Seems like a pretty good idea.
>>
>> Dave
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:09:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Lynette Tillner <ltillner at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Husker] Capitol One Bowl
To: "Titsworth, Scott" <titswort at ohio.edu>, "husker at tssi.com"
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I agree with you. To those saying how the glass is almost empty, may I remind
you that we don't play those teams next year! The only team we lost to and have
on next fall's schedule is Washington - I figured they might win the revenge
match - the Holiday Bowl. But come fall? I think we win 2 out of 3.
Now as for what NU needs to do in the next 8 months to be a better team -- D
needs to keep on keeping on except for 2 areas --- TAKE AWAYS with points scored
AND Run Defense --- Send that D-Line back to strength and conditioning and speed
drills and KEEP THEM THERE.
On soapbox,
As for the O ---- lots of work to do, coaching issues aside --- that O-Line?
send them with the D-Line to strength and conditioning and speed drills and
don't stop until they CONSISTENTLY STOP OUR D-Line in their tracks and
vice-versa. The stronger and faster the better, the more stamina, the better.
---- That's what we were in each of our 5 championships --- STRONG, FAST, LONG
LASTING --- on BOTH sides of the ball.
Now, tell me, if the O-Line consistently protects ANY of our QB's are they
different players? I think so.
Maybe we need an Offensive counterpart for a "black shirt" Maybe a Red or White
shirt or helmet stickers (which I hate) but ANYTHING to motivate these young men
--- they have potential -- they need motivation --- they need to feel the
power of smash mouth Nebraska football on both sides of the ball!
Off soap box!
Lynette (Tillner) Peavey
ltillner at yahoo.com
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From: "Titsworth, Scott" <titswort at ohio.edu>
To: "husker at tssi.com" <husker at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 7:35:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Capitol One Bowl
I agree that the offense has been really bad the last quarter of the season.
But, the considerations you point out below are only snapshots and conceal these
other facts that are also part of the 2010 Huskers:
* Nebraska scored more against Washington than any other team they played,
including Oregon, who I heard was playing in the MNC game and has a decent
offense.
* Nebraska scored more against KSU than any other team on their schedule, and
had the largest margin of victory by far on their schedule.
* Remember the 51 points Nebraska hung on a two loss OKie State team? That was
the most scored against them and the largest scoring margin in a loss for them.
I think to look at the season and say that the offense was at the same level as
the defense in the latter stages of Callahan/Cosgrove is wrong. We had offense
that was pretty darn potent for 3/4 of our games. The problems came when we
faced disciplined, aggressive defenses--then our offense meted away. The issue
is consistency, not having a play that defenses MUST stop or we are guaranteed
3-5 yards every time we run it, etc. TO seemed to always have that play in his
game plan.
How will this translate into our first Big Ten W and L record? It depends on a
lot. But we definitely had inconsistency and to have more wins than loses next
year we MUST develop a consistent ability to gain yards in sustained drives and
not rely on defensive breakdowns resulting in quick strike plays and scores. I
did not see that ability in big games against sound defenses this year.
Scott
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On Jan 1, 2011, at 9:57 PM, "Andrew Smith" <arossman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I don't know how anyone can be optimistic after the offensive play in
> this year's losses.
> Consider:
> * Only Wyoming scored fewer points against Texas than Nebraska.
> * No one scored fewer against A&M.
> * 7 of OU's opponents scored more.
> * None of Washington's opponents scored fewer; all but UCLA scored more.
>
> And this is with one of the nation's best defense (giving the offense
> good field position and time of possession chances) and THE nation's
> best field goal kicker (and a great punter)!
>
> Though 5-6 is pretty unlikely, end of season rankings suggest a 4-4 Big
> 10++ record.
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