[Husker] A few things

[Scott Stewart]

Are rugby players prohibited from hitting high?

I know they are coached not to, and with no helmet common sense suggests
that they not lead with the head.

I had a friend in college who played rugby and was an ex-football player.
His rugby career was very short because he didn't change his tackling
technique, and had brain surgery for a subdural hematoma his first year.

Actually, soccer is notorious in neuropsychology for TBI's. It is from
heading the ball. Rugby is also very high. From a neuropsychological
framework, it is not the "big" hits that are a problem as much as the
repetitive small hits. Big hits usually result in the person leaving the
game and getting medical attention. The small hits keep people (with their
bell rung a little...ie Joe Ganz in the Gator Bowl).

As we have found from the soldiers in Iraq, it is the consecutive concussive
events where the brain is injured and swollen and then gets another insult
that are dangerous.

Scott

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <gzimmerman5 at kc.rr.com> wrote:

> Tony, stop being obtuse. You know perfectly well what I mean. Players
> leading with their head whether it's spearing a player or a hit to the head
> that can cause a serious brain injury.
>
> Football, as are many others, is a dangerous sport. There is no need to
> make it more dangerous than it already is.
>
> I also watch rugby and rugby players wear no hard protective equipment and
> are prohibited from tackling above the shoulders. I wonder what the
> comparitive statistics are regarding concussions and other TBI's.
> --
> Greg Zimmerman, UNL '75
> Overland Park, Kansas
>
> ---- Tony lambert <slimmer37 at hamilton.net> wrote:
> > Well you best not watch football any hit can cause an injury.
> >
> > Tony Lambert
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <gzimmerman5 at kc.rr.com>
> > To: "Husker List" <husker at tssi.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Husker] A few things
> >
> >
> > Obviously the ones that are likely to cause injury.
> > --
> > Greg Zimmerman, UNL '75
> > Overland Park, Kansas
> >
> > ---- Tony lambert <slimmer37 at hamilton.net> wrote:
> > > But it is still helmet to helmet as you have stated. So which is it no
> > > helmet to helmet or the big hits.that you have a problem with ?
> > >
> > > Tony Lambert
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <gzimmerman5 at kc.rr.com>
> > > To: "Husker List" <husker at tssi.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:33 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Husker] A few things
> > >
> > >
> > > Helmet to helmet contact on the line of scrimmage isn't the issue.
> That's
> > > not where you see the violent collisions that result in concussions.
> It's
> > > the desire for the "decleater" type of block or tackle in the open
> field.
> > >
> > > The potential consequences can be severe. While it wasn't a helmet to
> > > helmet
> > > contact, it was helmet to astroturf, remember what happened to former
> > > Husker
> > > and my former teammate at Omaha Westside, Tom Pate.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Greg Zimmerman, UNL '75
> > > Overland Park, Kansas
> > >
> > > ---- Nick Chevance <nickchevance at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:47 AM,  <gzimmerman5 at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > To try and eliminate helmet to helmet hits should be the goal even
> if
> > > > > it's not obtainable. If the game becomes less violent, so be it.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Greg Zimmerman, UNL '75
> > > > > Overland Park, Kansas
> > > >
> > > > The goal is unobtainable.  As someone has already pointed out, and it
> > > > should be completely obvious to anyone who watches football, there
> are
> > > > many helmet-to-helmet collisions in every game.  Take for instance
> > > > line play.  When an offensive and defensive player meet, its almost
> > > > always head-to-head.  And as in the Martin hit last week, it looks
> > > > like the hittee tucked his chin just at contact, which is the natural
> > > > thing to do, a reflex.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not advocating for ignoring the issue, but it's just not possible
> > > > to have no helmet contact and still play the game as a contact sport.
> > > > For instance, Dennard's injury was from his own player - how do you
> > > > treat that in the world of no helmet-to-helmet contact?  Suspend them
> > > > both?  It makes little sense.
> > > >
> > > > I think again the intent of the rules as they are now is to limit the
> > > > intentional targeting with a helmet.  I think the rule works fairly
> > > > well, and I think most players are aware of the rule.  I think where
> > > > the rule gets into a gray area is trying to infer intent from a video
> > > > review of something that often happens in a blink of an eye.  A lot
> of
> > > > this type of talk has gone on on this list, inferring intent from a
> > > > breakdown of a hit, since last week.  I'd argue that intent is
> > > > sometimes available to you on video, but most of the time, its only
> in
> > > > the mind of the player.  And if we can determine intent with any true
> > > > accuracy from video alone, why the hell are we spending so much on
> > > > security at airports?  All we'd have to do is be filmed going to
> > > > airplanes.
> > > >
> > > > Nick
> > > > --
> > > > “It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be
> > > > unhappy.”
> > > > Groucho Marx
> > >
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