[Husker] Example from the rule book on incomplete TD Pass

Thu Sep 24 07:18:59 CDT 2009

There is no "the ground can't cause a fumble" in college football.

Dave

--- On Thu, 9/24/09, j j <jjj112665 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: j j <jjj112665 at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Husker] Example from the rule book on incomplete TD Pass
To: "Husker List" <husker at tssi.com>, "Skylar Dodds" <sklarbodds at cox.net>, "Andrew Smith" <arossman at earthlink.net>
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 7:53 AM

Well in the college game you dont have to be down by contact. You are down once your knee touches the ground and the ground cant cause a fumble so it would simply be a catch and down where the reciever touches the ground. Not that big a deal to me. 

--- On Wed, 9/23/09, Andrew Smith <arossman at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Andrew Smith <arossman at earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [Husker] Example from the rule book on incomplete TD Pass
To: "Husker List" <husker at tssi.com>, "Skylar Dodds" <sklarbodds at cox.net>
Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 8:24 PM

Regarding "why a runner can just break the plane of the end zone and even if the ball pops out after that, it is a touchdown, but if a receiver doesn't hold the ball for 45 seconds after a catch and fall out of bounds that it's no good", the issue is possession.  In the case of the runner, it's clear the runner has possession.  In the case of a receiver, possession has to be established.

Regarding "However it is 'losing possession' on a catch?", I'd say it is not 'losing possession' but failure to prove possession in the first place.

Also, I think it's very important that the rules be consistent.  How it is decided that a receiver has possession should be the same whether in the end zone or at midfield.  If Holt's "catch" is called a TD, meaning he had possession, then the same type of play in midfield should be called either a catch (if the receiver was touched by a defender and therefore down by contact upon hitting the ground) or a fumble (if not down by contact).  I'm think many would object would object to such a midfield interpretation of catches/fumbles.

Andy

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I personally have never liked the 'hold the ball through hitting the ground'
rules that they added a few years ago, but that's just me.  Mainly because
had the receiver caught the ball in the field and ran for a few yards and
was then tackled and lost the ball when he hit the ground, that's not
'losing possession'.  However it is 'losing possession' on a catch?  It
doesn't seem to line up.  Now if you were diving in the air to catch the
ball (no feet in play) and then lost it when you hit the ground, I could see
that.

That all being said...the play was called correctly according to the current
rules.   
--
Skylar

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Scott R Lawson
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:29 AM
To: j j; Husker List; David Strong
Subject: RE: [Husker] Example from the rule book on incomplete TD Pass

I still don't understand (and I'm sorry if this has been mentioned a lot)
why a runner can just break the plane of the end zone and even if the ball
pops out after that, it is a touchdown, but if a receiver doesn't hold the
ball for 45 seconds after a catch and fall out of bounds that it's no good.

I realize what the rule was the other night, but in my opinion the rule
needs to be changed. There are a few rules like this that are odd- think
tuck rule for instance.

Scott in NY

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
j j
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:37 AM
To: Husker List; David Strong
Subject: Re: [Husker] Example from the rule book on incomplete TD Pass

I agree with this rule on one foot inbounds....but Holt had both feet and a
knee down inbounds on that play.

--- On Sun, 9/20/09, David Strong <gbrlist at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: David Strong <gbrlist at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Husker] Example from the rule book on incomplete TD Pass
To: "Husker List" <husker at tssi.com>
Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 12:00 PM

Also in the NCAA rule book:

"Airborne receiver A85 grasps a forward pass and in the process
of going to the ground, first contacts the ground with his left foot
inbounds as he falls to the ground out of bounds. Immediately
upon A85 hitting the ground out of bounds, the ball comes loose.
RULING: Incomplete pass regardless of whether or not the ball hits
the ground because the receiver is out of bounds."

Dave

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