[Husker] Brook and Tommie

Sun Dec 16 18:58:01 CST 2007

I'm not sure an argument like this could ever be settled, but it's tough to discount the skills of a quarterback who is generally considered one of, if not the top quarterbacks ever to play at the college level (Frazier). Any time you take away someone with that label, it seems like it would be tough to do any better.

Scott in NY

Andrew Smith <arossman at earthlink.net> wrote: I have no idea what their recruiting service ratings were, but I 
disagree that '94 and '95 wouldn't have happened without Tommie.

Brook was an excellent QB and the team did quite well with him as the 
starting QB.  Also, it is a team sport, and as good as Tommie was, he 
wouldn't be as revered (or a national champion QB) without the great 
team that surrounded him.

Andy

JEN_SENS wrote:
> That is partly true, however, I would remind Tom (and he knows) that 
> without one of the most sought-after quarterbacks in the country in 
> the Junior class, '94 and '95 wouldn't have happened. I liked Brook a 
> lot, but Tommie was the man.
>
> The point being, we like the Nebraska myth; we take a group of 
> unheralded marginal athletes and build them into a national 
> championship team. Without the four and five star type players on 
> those teams, no national championship, regardless how good the 
> coaching or conditioning.
>
> Gerald
>
> He provided facts and data on the recruiting service ranking of the 
> senior
> class at the time; and he compared that to Miami, Florida State and 
> Florida.
>> Although I do not recall the exact numbers, the Huskers were ranked
>> somewhere in the 30's while all of the Florida teams were in the top 10.
>> His point of emphasis was that the # of stars assigned by the recruiting
>> services did not correlate with the team's end result.  The coaching,
>> strength-conditioning and whatever other intangibles that yielded
>> year-after-year of on-field success were a result of a robust process 
>> - some
>> of us might call that tradition while other might say:
>>
>> "Not the victory but the action.  Not the goal but the game.  In the 
>> deed
>> the glory."
>>
>> I suspect that most everyone on the list has some Husker Big Red blood
>> running in their veins and deep in the unexplainable DNA lies a 
>> passionate
>> love for the Big Red Machine.   Don't let the antagonists run a downward
>> spiral around your heart.
>>
>> Wishing everyone a pleasant holiday season with their family and 
>> friends;
>> and hoping that everyone has a peaceful new year with a bowl game
>> celebration to talk about this time next year (and a new president, 
>> too!)
>>
>> Peace Out.
>>
>> Steve G (no relation to Kenny G, or Tommie G for that matter)
>>
>> Loves Park, IL
>> (deep behind enemy lines in big TelEveN country)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: husker-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces at tssi.com] On 
>> Behalf Of
>> Mike Jaixen
>> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:39 PM
>> To: jon johnston; Gary Fead
>> Cc: Husker List
>> Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
>>
>> My biggest problem with services like Rivals and Scout
>> is that some fans view them as some sort of authority
>> on recruiting.  Granted they probably know more than
>> the average fan...but do they know anywhere near as
>> much as the average assistant coach?
>>
>> Jeff Volk, an occasional contributor to this list, had
>> a great post to this list about a month ago about the
>> relative value of these services.  For the most part,
>> these services are really for entertainment purposes
>> only.  Schools use them mainly to build excitement
>> with  supporters (look at this guy who signed with us,
>> he's Rivals #13 linebacker and a 8-star recruit by
>> Gwonkolinkus.com; get your tickets NOW!)
>>
>> Now, do these ratings mean that one player is somehow
>> better than another, or that one recruiting class is
>> better than another class?  From my perspective, the
>> opinion comes from service unqualified to do so, so
>> you believe in the rating at your own risk.  In the
>> end, it's not so much the rating, but rather how the
>> player fits the institution.  A player may have all
>> the physical talent in the world, but if he doesn't
>> match the institution, he's not going to be valuable.
>>
>> I think what Gary was implying is that Nebraska has
>> seen some great players come in unheralded in the past
>> and leave great players.  Conversely, we've seen some
>> highly regarded players come to Lincoln in the last
>> few years and not really make much of a contribution.
>> Does that mean that we don't want highly regarded
>> players?  Not necessarily.  All this means is that we
>> shouldn't buy into the recruiting hype.  With a
>> rivals.com 5-star rating and a buck, I can get a
>> burger at most fast food places - mostly because the
>> rivals.com rating is meaningless in the end.
>>
>> What I'm hoping is that the new coaching staff will do
>> a better job of evaluating and developing players.
>> Some of them will be 5-stars, some will be 3-stars,
>> some will be 1-star players.  The ratings may end up
>> being more of a coincedence than anything in the end.
>> I'm personally more interested in the final result of
>> how these players perform at the end of their college
>> careers than how they perform at the end of their high
>> school career...mostly because I'm not qualified to
>> evaluate them.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- jon johnston  wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Gary Fead wrote:
>>>
>>> > Good Morning All:
>>> >
>>> > In reply to the question about the recruiting and
>>> why we don't seem
>>> > to be hearing much about it - could it be that the
>>> current staff
>>> > (starting with Coach Osborne) don't pay much
>>> attention to
>>> > "Rivals.com" and their rating system? And because
>>> of this the so
>>> > called "Big Red Insider" Sean Callahan is now more
>>> of an "outsider"
>>> > - quite honestly I hope this is the case.
>>>
>>> Why is that? What bugs you (and not just you, but a
>>> lot of people)
>>> about rivals.com and scout.com? Is it the way by
>>> which the rating
>>> systems are determined? Is it their undue influence?
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that while coaches are limited by
>>> contact periods and
>>> numbers, Internet recruiting sites are not. They can
>>> keep interviewing
>>> and posting whenever they want and as many times as
>>> they want.
>>>
>>> For that reason, you can bet that Nebraska has
>>> someone who reads those
>>> sites because they can be incredibly informative,
>>> even though a lot of
>>> information has to be taken with a grain of salt.
>>> You can't rely on
>>> them, but you can't entirely dismiss them either.
>>> Makes life difficult
>>> for those "black and white" people in a grey world.
>>>
>>>
>>> > I for one would rather have the coaches recruiting
>>> "under the radar"
>>> > players who will be team players and play for
>>> Nebraska and not for
>>> > their ticket to the NFL. I'll be honest I don't
>>> watch NFL football
>>> > and once players leave NU for the pros I don't
>>> follow them at all
>>> > they end up lost on my screen unless they do
>>> something worthwhile in
>>> > the community or get in trouble and then we all
>>> hear about it.
>>> >
>>> > Gary Fead
>>> > Omaha
>>>
>>> I understand the whole concept of "play for
>>> Nebraska", but the fact is
>>> that Nebraska should be pursuing a lot of the
>>> highly-ranked national
>>> recruits as well. The best athletes are most likely
>>> going to the NFL.
>>> We want them, the ones that have their heads screwed
>>> on right. .
>>>
>>> With the internet being what it is, there aren't
>>> many 'under the
>>> radar' guys left anywhere, and I really mean
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> I don't follow recruiting like a religion, but last
>>> year I read Tom
>>> Leming's "Second Season" and Bruce Feldman's "Meat
>>> Market", both of
>>> which were incredibly informative (Feldman's book is
>>> rather terrifying
>>> while being wildly entertaining... Christmas IS
>>> coming). Gave me a
>>> different attitude about recruiting and about sites
>>> like rivals - they
>>> are unfortunately a necessary evil.
>>>
>>>
>>> > Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list
>>> traffic recently.
>>> > The problem appears to be on their end.
>>>
>>>
>>> Comcast is extremely difficult to deal with when it
>>> comes to email.
>>> They block systems from sending mail based upon very
>>> rigid standards
>>> and definitions that they won't reveal and are
>>> constantly changing.
>>> Given that you can get a free gmail.com account and
>>> keep it regardless
>>> of what ISP you use, I'd recommend you do that if
>>> Comcast blocks too
>>> much of your email.
>>>
>>> Jon Johnston
>>> http://www.cornnation.com
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Mike Jaixen
>> Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
>>
>>
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