[Husker] Brook and Tommie

Sat Dec 15 22:33:10 CST 2007

I have no idea what their recruiting service ratings were, but I 
disagree that '94 and '95 wouldn't have happened without Tommie.

Brook was an excellent QB and the team did quite well with him as the 
starting QB.  Also, it is a team sport, and as good as Tommie was, he 
wouldn't be as revered (or a national champion QB) without the great 
team that surrounded him.

Andy

JEN_SENS wrote:
> That is partly true, however, I would remind Tom (and he knows) that 
> without one of the most sought-after quarterbacks in the country in 
> the Junior class, '94 and '95 wouldn't have happened. I liked Brook a 
> lot, but Tommie was the man.
>
> The point being, we like the Nebraska myth; we take a group of 
> unheralded marginal athletes and build them into a national 
> championship team. Without the four and five star type players on 
> those teams, no national championship, regardless how good the 
> coaching or conditioning.
>
> Gerald
>
> He provided facts and data on the recruiting service ranking of the 
> senior
> class at the time; and he compared that to Miami, Florida State and 
> Florida.
>> Although I do not recall the exact numbers, the Huskers were ranked
>> somewhere in the 30's while all of the Florida teams were in the top 10.
>> His point of emphasis was that the # of stars assigned by the recruiting
>> services did not correlate with the team's end result.  The coaching,
>> strength-conditioning and whatever other intangibles that yielded
>> year-after-year of on-field success were a result of a robust process 
>> - some
>> of us might call that tradition while other might say:
>>
>> "Not the victory but the action.  Not the goal but the game.  In the 
>> deed
>> the glory."
>>
>> I suspect that most everyone on the list has some Husker Big Red blood
>> running in their veins and deep in the unexplainable DNA lies a 
>> passionate
>> love for the Big Red Machine.   Don't let the antagonists run a downward
>> spiral around your heart.
>>
>> Wishing everyone a pleasant holiday season with their family and 
>> friends;
>> and hoping that everyone has a peaceful new year with a bowl game
>> celebration to talk about this time next year (and a new president, 
>> too!)
>>
>> Peace Out.
>>
>> Steve G (no relation to Kenny G, or Tommie G for that matter)
>>
>> Loves Park, IL
>> (deep behind enemy lines in big TelEveN country)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: husker-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces at tssi.com] On 
>> Behalf Of
>> Mike Jaixen
>> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:39 PM
>> To: jon johnston; Gary Fead
>> Cc: Husker List
>> Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
>>
>> My biggest problem with services like Rivals and Scout
>> is that some fans view them as some sort of authority
>> on recruiting.  Granted they probably know more than
>> the average fan...but do they know anywhere near as
>> much as the average assistant coach?
>>
>> Jeff Volk, an occasional contributor to this list, had
>> a great post to this list about a month ago about the
>> relative value of these services.  For the most part,
>> these services are really for entertainment purposes
>> only.  Schools use them mainly to build excitement
>> with  supporters (look at this guy who signed with us,
>> he's Rivals #13 linebacker and a 8-star recruit by
>> Gwonkolinkus.com; get your tickets NOW!)
>>
>> Now, do these ratings mean that one player is somehow
>> better than another, or that one recruiting class is
>> better than another class?  From my perspective, the
>> opinion comes from service unqualified to do so, so
>> you believe in the rating at your own risk.  In the
>> end, it's not so much the rating, but rather how the
>> player fits the institution.  A player may have all
>> the physical talent in the world, but if he doesn't
>> match the institution, he's not going to be valuable.
>>
>> I think what Gary was implying is that Nebraska has
>> seen some great players come in unheralded in the past
>> and leave great players.  Conversely, we've seen some
>> highly regarded players come to Lincoln in the last
>> few years and not really make much of a contribution.
>> Does that mean that we don't want highly regarded
>> players?  Not necessarily.  All this means is that we
>> shouldn't buy into the recruiting hype.  With a
>> rivals.com 5-star rating and a buck, I can get a
>> burger at most fast food places - mostly because the
>> rivals.com rating is meaningless in the end.
>>
>> What I'm hoping is that the new coaching staff will do
>> a better job of evaluating and developing players.
>> Some of them will be 5-stars, some will be 3-stars,
>> some will be 1-star players.  The ratings may end up
>> being more of a coincedence than anything in the end.
>> I'm personally more interested in the final result of
>> how these players perform at the end of their college
>> careers than how they perform at the end of their high
>> school career...mostly because I'm not qualified to
>> evaluate them.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- jon johnston <jon.johnston at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Gary Fead wrote:
>>>
>>> > Good Morning All:
>>> >
>>> > In reply to the question about the recruiting and
>>> why we don't seem
>>> > to be hearing much about it - could it be that the
>>> current staff
>>> > (starting with Coach Osborne) don't pay much
>>> attention to
>>> > "Rivals.com" and their rating system? And because
>>> of this the so
>>> > called "Big Red Insider" Sean Callahan is now more
>>> of an "outsider"
>>> > - quite honestly I hope this is the case.
>>>
>>> Why is that? What bugs you (and not just you, but a
>>> lot of people)
>>> about rivals.com and scout.com? Is it the way by
>>> which the rating
>>> systems are determined? Is it their undue influence?
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that while coaches are limited by
>>> contact periods and
>>> numbers, Internet recruiting sites are not. They can
>>> keep interviewing
>>> and posting whenever they want and as many times as
>>> they want.
>>>
>>> For that reason, you can bet that Nebraska has
>>> someone who reads those
>>> sites because they can be incredibly informative,
>>> even though a lot of
>>> information has to be taken with a grain of salt.
>>> You can't rely on
>>> them, but you can't entirely dismiss them either.
>>> Makes life difficult
>>> for those "black and white" people in a grey world.
>>>
>>>
>>> > I for one would rather have the coaches recruiting
>>> "under the radar"
>>> > players who will be team players and play for
>>> Nebraska and not for
>>> > their ticket to the NFL. I'll be honest I don't
>>> watch NFL football
>>> > and once players leave NU for the pros I don't
>>> follow them at all
>>> > they end up lost on my screen unless they do
>>> something worthwhile in
>>> > the community or get in trouble and then we all
>>> hear about it.
>>> >
>>> > Gary Fead
>>> > Omaha
>>>
>>> I understand the whole concept of "play for
>>> Nebraska", but the fact is
>>> that Nebraska should be pursuing a lot of the
>>> highly-ranked national
>>> recruits as well. The best athletes are most likely
>>> going to the NFL.
>>> We want them, the ones that have their heads screwed
>>> on right. .
>>>
>>> With the internet being what it is, there aren't
>>> many 'under the
>>> radar' guys left anywhere, and I really mean
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> I don't follow recruiting like a religion, but last
>>> year I read Tom
>>> Leming's "Second Season" and Bruce Feldman's "Meat
>>> Market", both of
>>> which were incredibly informative (Feldman's book is
>>> rather terrifying
>>> while being wildly entertaining... Christmas IS
>>> coming). Gave me a
>>> different attitude about recruiting and about sites
>>> like rivals - they
>>> are unfortunately a necessary evil.
>>>
>>>
>>> > Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list
>>> traffic recently.
>>> > The problem appears to be on their end.
>>>
>>>
>>> Comcast is extremely difficult to deal with when it
>>> comes to email.
>>> They block systems from sending mail based upon very
>>> rigid standards
>>> and definitions that they won't reveal and are
>>> constantly changing.
>>> Given that you can get a free gmail.com account and
>>> keep it regardless
>>> of what ISP you use, I'd recommend you do that if
>>> Comcast blocks too
>>> much of your email.
>>>
>>> Jon Johnston
>>> http://www.cornnation.com
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> Mike Jaixen
>> Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
>>
>>
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