From gbrlist at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  1 05:21:28 2007
From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Sat Dec  1 05:10:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] A very smart Interim AD
Message-ID: <BLU117-W2293B2B3B315238D1AC973BA720@phx.gbl>

This from Tom Luginbill on ESPN.com:

"All schools and head coaches are allowed one in-home visit from the head coach 
per prospective student athlete, and only one. However, since Bill Callahan was 
fired prior to the contact period beginning, Osborne realized by naming himself 
the interim head coach, not only could he go into the homes, but whoever he 
hires as the permanent head coach at Nebraska will also be able to go into the 
home of the same player, in essence giving Nebraska two in-home visits and not 
just one as everyone else is allowed."

TO knows how to work the system.  He's not lost a thing at 70.

Dave

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From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sat Dec  1 08:22:54 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sat Dec  1 08:10:05 2007
Subject: [Husker] A very smart Interim AD
In-Reply-To: <BLU117-W2293B2B3B315238D1AC973BA720@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU117-W2293B2B3B315238D1AC973BA720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47516E3E.7040002@hamilton.net>

I said the same thing to my wife Thursday night. Only i said not bad for 
a COF

Tony Lambert

David Strong wrote:
> This from Tom Luginbill on ESPN.com:
>
> "All schools and head coaches are allowed one in-home visit from the head coach 
> per prospective student athlete, and only one. However, since Bill Callahan was 
> fired prior to the contact period beginning, Osborne realized by naming himself 
> the interim head coach, not only could he go into the homes, but whoever he 
> hires as the permanent head coach at Nebraska will also be able to go into the 
> home of the same player, in essence giving Nebraska two in-home visits and not 
> just one as everyone else is allowed."
>
> TO knows how to work the system.  He's not lost a thing at 70.
>
> Dave
>
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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 08:55:04 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  1 08:44:06 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
In-Reply-To: <452256.43607.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <423405.45131.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

What I don't understand is why was SP granted a guaranteed contract? Why does an AD that obviously wasn't going to leave and go somewhere else get a guaranteed contract that we now need to buy out?  I understand why ADs do that with coaches (recruiting purposes), but why did Pearlman find it necessary to do with SP?  

Any thoughts?

       
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From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sat Dec  1 09:13:05 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sat Dec  1 09:00:10 2007
Subject: [Husker] TO Knows the system
Message-ID: <47517A01.2060707@hamilton.net>

>
> Dave Wrote: TO knows how to work the system.  He's not lost a thing at 70.
>   
I said the same thing to my wife Thursday night. Only i said not bad for 
a COF.
-- 

From kmckillip at houston.rr.com  Sat Dec  1 09:33:39 2007
From: kmckillip at houston.rr.com (Kenneth McKillip)
Date: Sat Dec  1 09:22:57 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
In-Reply-To: <423405.45131.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c8342f$8d392960$6400a8c0@userc62e806ee2>

Especially when HP "sensed there was a problem".

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Sue Smith
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:55 AM
To: Mike Jaixen; husker@tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout

What I don't understand is why was SP granted a guaranteed contract? Why
does an AD that obviously wasn't going to leave and go somewhere else get a
guaranteed contract that we now need to buy out?  I understand why ADs do
that with coaches (recruiting purposes), but why did Pearlman find it
necessary to do with SP?  

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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 10:18:09 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  1 10:07:14 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
In-Reply-To: <000a01c8342f$8d392960$6400a8c0@userc62e806ee2>
Message-ID: <834756.63118.qm@web55610.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Absolutely!  If you sensed some concern with a guy your paying $500K a year, why to you lock yourself into this guy for a long-term contract?  That's the question I wished the reporters would have asked HP when he was announcing SP's firing.   

Sounds like "I voted for the bill before I voted against it."


Kenneth McKillip <kmckillip@houston.rr.com> wrote: Especially when HP "sensed there was a problem".

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Sue Smith
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:55 AM
To: Mike Jaixen; husker@tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout

What I don't understand is why was SP granted a guaranteed contract? Why
does an AD that obviously wasn't going to leave and go somewhere else get a
guaranteed contract that we now need to buy out?  I understand why ADs do
that with coaches (recruiting purposes), but why did Pearlman find it
necessary to do with SP?  

Any thoughts?

       
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From gscratch1 at comcast.net  Sat Dec  1 10:18:17 2007
From: gscratch1 at comcast.net (gscratch1@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Dec  1 10:07:25 2007
Subject: [Husker] my own reasons
Message-ID: <120120071618.29001.4751894800084DA5000071492200734748080C9B0E9D0C9C09@comcast.net>

>talent I hope Nebraska signs up to play Pitt every year from now on!

I hope that NU schedules Pitt and Rutgers and uConn and Syracuse and Maryland every year, so that I have a chance to go to games

Glen in New Jersey (quite a ways to drive to Lincoln)
From gscratch1 at comcast.net  Sat Dec  1 10:21:03 2007
From: gscratch1 at comcast.net (gscratch1@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Dec  1 10:10:08 2007
Subject: [Husker] <huimor attempt>
Message-ID: <120120071621.2590.475189EE00092CD000000A1E2200734748080C9B0E9D0C9C09@comcast.net>

>According to the Lincoln Journal-Star, he gets to keep the money.

kind of like a pre-nup settlement rather than alimony....

;-)

Glen in NJ
From kmckillip at houston.rr.com  Sat Dec  1 10:38:38 2007
From: kmckillip at houston.rr.com (Kenneth McKillip)
Date: Sat Dec  1 10:27:55 2007
Subject: [Husker] Standing Ovation at 50 Yard Line
Message-ID: <000301c83438$a0edc890$6400a8c0@userc62e806ee2>

DeAnte <http://64.131.67.10/vbbs/showthread.php?t=47806>  Grixby, "Bring
Coach Solich back for a standing ovation at Memorial Stadium." - HuskerPedia
BBS

 

Deante Grixby and Clinton Childs both like Bo Pelini and compare him to
Coach Frank Solich.


DeAnte Grixby: 
"I love Coach Solich. Everything Coach Osborne talked about in his press
conference today, Coach Solich has every bit of it: Integrity, somebody who
knows the program & it's history."

"Coach Solich deserves alot more than what this state and what that
administration gave him."

"One of the first things I want to do is bring Coach Solich back so he can
get a standing ovation, on the 50 yard line, at Memorial Stadium..... he
devoted his whole entire life to the University of Nebraska....devoted his
life to the state of Nebraska. He would have been here until he died and the
next guy we bring in needs to be that kind of guy."


Clinton Childs compares Bo Pelini to Coach Frank Solich, also:

"I love Coach Solich."..."I would run through a brick wall for Coach
Solich."

 

I'll buy my first ticket to a Nebraska game in four years to be there for
this 50 yard line ceremony.  The healing has begun.  I'm excited about the
2008 football season.  Forgot how it feels.  GBR

From alans at efn.org  Sat Dec  1 11:25:16 2007
From: alans at efn.org (Alan Siporin)
Date: Sat Dec  1 11:14:22 2007
Subject: [Husker] Anybody home?
In-Reply-To: <p06210209c3722df8063b@[10.30.5.83]>
Message-ID: <C376D8FC.2087%alans@efn.org>

I just got my official monthly membership reminder, but nothing else for a
few days. With so much news (rumors) I find it hard to believe nobody is
posting. So, is it me, or is the system down?

Alan Siporin

From suerog2 at worldnet.att.net  Sat Dec  1 11:41:47 2007
From: suerog2 at worldnet.att.net (Roger Lohr)
Date: Sat Dec  1 11:31:25 2007
Subject: [Husker] Vote for Dr. Tom
References: <cf9.22cb28f3.34817cce@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014901c83441$744c3890$6501a8c0@toshiba>

TO is now trailing BB by 1%.

Roger Lohr-Mpls


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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:48 AM
Subject: [Husker] Vote for Dr. Tom


>
> ESPN's Greatest College Football Coach poll is currently down to the final
> four of Dr. Tom Osborne, Bear Bryant, JoePa, and Eddie Robinson.
>
> Tom currently leads Coach Bryant 40% to 37%
>
> Cast your vote here:
>
> _http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/specialsection/citirosebowl/2007/index_
> (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/specialsection/citirosebowl/2007/index)
>
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>
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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec  1 11:51:12 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec  1 11:41:12 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
In-Reply-To: <423405.45131.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <423405.45131.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <xftifwrgplplojwpbvdd.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
 
--- Source message ---
From: "Sue Smith" <huskerdana@yahoo.com>
Sent: 12/1/2007 09:57:10
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
 
>>What I don't understand is why was SP granted a guaranteed contract? Why
>> does an AD that obviously wasn't going to leave and go somewhere else get a
>> guaranteed contract that we now need to buy out?  I understand why ADs do
>> that with coaches (recruiting purposes), but why did Pearlman find it
>> necessary to do with SP?  
 
Any thoughts?<<
 
 
 
 
     Isn't every contract guaranteed?  If not what is the point of a contract?
     I don't know of very many AD's, at least at the Division I-A level, that
     are employed without a contract.  If you sign a contract for three years
     you have guaranteed money for three years or at least the party with
     which you sign the contract owes you the totality/balance of the contract
     if terminated.  That is why people sign contracts as far as I know to
     lock in the money as well as other legalities.  
 
 
     That is why the assistants are owed money through next January unless
     they find another job for equal or more money.  It is the way the
     contract is written.  But, if there is no guarantee it makes signing a
     contract a moot point.  
 
 
     If I was looking for an AD's job I wouldn't even consider a job were they
     could just fire me at will and owe no restitution at all unless my
     contract is up.  Now there can be an additional buyout clause in a
     contract that possibly what Pederson had and possibly to which you refer.
 
 
Bob Beach
 

From pgaule at cox.net  Sat Dec  1 11:54:32 2007
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat Gaule)
Date: Sat Dec  1 11:41:22 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pedey signs another contract extension
Message-ID: <47519FD8.5020806@cox.net>

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3135834

On his very first day, he decides to give Wantstache a contract 
extension though 2012?  Does he have a thing for failed NFL coaches with 
multiple losing seasons?  Good Grief!  I can't wait until Pitt has 
another losing season next year and Pitt fans realize they still have 4 
more years to deal with.  Sound farmilliar?

From teeveesfrank at windstream.net  Sat Dec  1 12:11:03 2007
From: teeveesfrank at windstream.net (TV's Frank)
Date: Sat Dec  1 12:00:14 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt was given a three-year contract
	extension...
Message-ID: <4751A3B7.8010308@windstream.net>

...despite not producing a winning record in three seasons in a program 
that went to bowl games five consecutive years before he arrived. 
<http://tinyurl.com/2ne3cv>

Hmmm...Pederson sure has 'low' expectations, as we found out in 4 years!

From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 12:12:09 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  1 12:01:07 2007
Subject: [Husker] my own reasons
In-Reply-To: <120120071618.29001.4751894800084DA5000071492200734748080C9B0E9D0C9C09@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <424651.29469.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

What, you don't want to play Temple???  I always thought a home and away with Temple would be a good idea.  However, now that there in the MAC, I'm not so sure. It's perfectly acceptable to play a road game against a Big East opponent, MAC, nah. 





gscratch1@comcast.net wrote: >talent I hope Nebraska signs up to play Pitt every year from now on!

I hope that NU schedules Pitt and Rutgers and uConn and Syracuse and Maryland every year, so that I have a chance to go to games

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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec  1 13:01:11 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec  1 12:51:08 2007
Subject: [Husker] Volleyball
Message-ID: <fpgsdpeebtdfiwelesef.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
     In the midst of the coaching "search" the volleyball team has opened
     defense of it's National Title.
 
 
http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=1330552
 
 
Bob Beach

From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Sat Dec  1 14:10:18 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Sat Dec  1 13:59:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] Vote for Dr. Tom
In-Reply-To: <014901c83441$744c3890$6501a8c0@toshiba>
References: <cf9.22cb28f3.34817cce@aol.com>
	<014901c83441$744c3890$6501a8c0@toshiba>
Message-ID: <E5A3E8C1-99CD-4B98-98D2-E4DAB97D4F81@gmail.com>

Maybe this is a reflection that 'Bama fans, especially when it comes  
to Bryant, are way more psychotic than we'll ever be.

It's snowing like hell Roger! The state is freaking out!


Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 1, 2007, at 11:41 AM, Roger Lohr wrote:

> TO is now trailing BB by 1%.
>
> Roger Lohr-Mpls
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <HuskerGuy9495@aol.com>
> To: <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:48 AM
> Subject: [Husker] Vote for Dr. Tom
>
>
>>
>> ESPN's Greatest College Football Coach poll is currently down to  
>> the final
>> four of Dr. Tom Osborne, Bear Bryant, JoePa, and Eddie Robinson.
>>
>> Tom currently leads Coach Bryant 40% to 37%
>>
>> Cast your vote here:
>>
>> _http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/specialsection/citirosebowl/2007/ 
>> index_
>> (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/specialsection/citirosebowl/2007/ 
>> index)
>>
>> GBR
>>
>> Guy in  DFW
>>
>>
>>
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 14:25:19 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Sat Dec  1 14:14:19 2007
Subject: [Husker] Breaking News From ESPN.com
In-Reply-To: <DE8CD926ED2448BABFB6AC3ACE810702@JohnPC>
Message-ID: <561199.48489.qm@web52406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Corso and Herrbstret said some interesting things this morning. One
was the potential for Pelini to go with Miles as DC to Michigan. 

But then, later, they all agreed that Bo was Nebraska's pick and also
at another point that the Nebraska job was between Turner Gill and Bo
Pelini. 

Then they talked about Turner possibly going to Washington State or
another Pacless 10 team. 

I don't think they have a clue - just talking to hear their heads
rattle! 

Bo has never been an HC. Turner now has 2 years as HC under his belt.
Which is better? I don't know. I think I'd prefer Gill over Pelini. 

Lynette

--- John Weill <john.weill@rcn.com> wrote:

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> 
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Sat Dec  1 14:26:45 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sat Dec  1 14:15:55 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
In-Reply-To: <xftifwrgplplojwpbvdd.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
References: <423405.45131.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<xftifwrgplplojwpbvdd.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4751C385.3020009@comcast.net>

Baseballguy wrote:
  >      Isn't every contract guaranteed?

Not necessarily. The contract could have a series of annual options, 
i.e., if we decide to keep you, we'll pay you $X for this year, but if 
we let you go, we'll buy out the contract for $Y. I have no idea what 
the custom is with ADs' contracts, but it's fairly common in baseball.

-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Sat Dec  1 14:27:13 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Sat Dec  1 14:16:34 2007
Subject: [Husker] A very smart Interim AD
In-Reply-To: <47516E3E.7040002@hamilton.net>
References: <BLU117-W2293B2B3B315238D1AC973BA720@phx.gbl>
	<47516E3E.7040002@hamilton.net>
Message-ID: <p06210202c37773256545@[10.30.5.83]>

>David Strong wrote:
>>This from Tom Luginbill on ESPN.com:
>>"All schools and head coaches are allowed one in-home visit from 
>>the head coach per prospective student athlete, and only one. 
>>However, since Bill Callahan was fired prior to the contact period 
>>beginning, Osborne realized by naming himself the interim head 
>>coach, not only could he go into the homes, but whoever he hires as 
>>the permanent head coach at Nebraska will also be able to go into 
>>the home of the same player, in essence giving Nebraska two in-home 
>>visits and not just one as everyone else is allowed."
>>TO knows how to work the system.  He's not lost a thing at 70.


This point is so obvious that apparently some good folks on our List 
seem to have missed it. And he won't have lost "it" at 75, either.

Steve Stone

PS Many of you remember his pre-Fiesta Bowl statement to the effect 
that "we'll see how the offense of the nineties stacks up against the 
offense of the fifties" - - meaning of course the 1990's for the 
Gators and the 50-plus points the Huskers averaged.

And we all know how that turned out.

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec  1 14:30:47 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec  1 14:20:45 2007
Subject: [Husker] Gill for Coach
Message-ID: <pkaytbnoxpbaefminivp.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
     Here's one vote for Turner:
 
 
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10197861
 
 
Bob Beach

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec  1 15:01:18 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec  1 14:51:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
In-Reply-To: <01d401c83459$960a72e0$6501a8c0@toshiba>
References: <423405.45131.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<xftifwrgplplojwpbvdd.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
	<01d401c83459$960a72e0$6501a8c0@toshiba>
Message-ID: <ociniuiwmsncewycytav.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
 
--- Source message ---
From: "Roger Lohr" <suerog2@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: 12/1/2007 14:34:34
Subject: Re: [Husker] SP and Buyout
 
But Bob, this guy took another AD job a month after he was fired.  Too darn 
bad that NU didn't have a clause in there about not having to pay him if he 
took another comparable job.  I still wonder if SP & HP weren't in some kind 
of under-handed deal...it smells to me and I have hayfever.
 
Roger
 
 
 
 
 
 
          As small a part of a Chancellor's job that the Athletic Department
          is I can't believe Perlman would want to take that kind of chance
          unless there was big time money in it for him somewhere.  Something
          like that, if proven, would likely be grounds for dismissal and
          possible prosecution.  But, who knows?  
 
 
        I think one thing people here are forgetting is Pederson's former
        track record at Pitt was great.  I am sure they can't wait to get him
        back.  We tend to judge his performance pretty much on football and
        football alone.  As was said here the Athletic Department at NU under
        Pederson other than football is/was in pretty good to great shape. 
        The problem with football was I believe Pederson let his personal
        feelings override his professional judgement.
 
 
Bob Beach

From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Sat Dec  1 15:19:39 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Sat Dec  1 15:09:40 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt was given a three-year
	contract extension...
In-Reply-To: <4751A3B7.8010308@windstream.net>
References: <4751A3B7.8010308@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <6F28C94A-89F7-4F73-90F2-EB28CE0AB0C4@gmail.com>

What's the guy supposed to do, show up and fire Wannestadt on his  
first day?

Then go through a protracted coaching search because he just showed  
up one day?

Give the guy a break. Pederson is gone.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.comw

On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:11 PM, TV's Frank wrote:

> ...despite not producing a winning record in three seasons in a  
> program that went to bowl games five consecutive years before he  
> arrived. <http://tinyurl.com/2ne3cv>
>
> Hmmm...Pederson sure has 'low' expectations, as we found out in 4  
> years!
>
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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Sat Dec  1 15:29:27 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Sat Dec  1 15:18:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] testing
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is this going to the husker list?

jon johnston
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From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sat Dec  1 15:38:25 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sat Dec  1 15:25:25 2007
Subject: [Husker] Breaking News From ESPN.com
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And as we know now Miles is staying at LSU. So does that make Pelini 
more likely to become our coach
If that is what TO wants ?

Lynette Tillner wrote:
> Corso and Herrbstret said some interesting things this morning. One
> was the potential for Pelini to go with Miles as DC to Michigan. 
>
> But then, later, they all agreed that Bo was Nebraska's pick and also
> at another point that the Nebraska job was between Turner Gill and Bo
> Pelini. 
>
> Then they talked about Turner possibly going to Washington State or
> another Pacless 10 team. 
>
> I don't think they have a clue - just talking to hear their heads
> rattle! 
>
> Bo has never been an HC. Turner now has 2 years as HC under his belt.
> Which is better? I don't know. I think I'd prefer Gill over Pelini. 
>
> Lynette
>
> --- John Weill <john.weill@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Latest Rumor...we have a head coach!
>>
>> http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3135858
>>
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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 16:21:42 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Sat Dec  1 16:10:40 2007
Subject: [Husker] testing
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No, it's going to Greenpeace as a protest to the
Japanese whale hunt.

--- jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

> is this going to the husker list?
> 
> jon johnston
> jon.johnston@gmail.com
> 
> 
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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 16:35:42 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  1 16:24:40 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt was given a three-year
	contract extension...
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I actually would have enjoyed that scenario.  However, SP is obviously pleased with the NFL coaches in the college game formula, so Wannestadt should have free reign at PITT, excuse me the University of Pittsburgh for along time. 

jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:  What's the guy supposed to do, show up and fire Wannestadt on his 
first day?

Then go through a protracted coaching search because he just showed 
up one day?

Give the guy a break. Pederson is gone.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.comw

On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:11 PM, TV's Frank wrote:

> ...despite not producing a winning record in three seasons in a 
> program that went to bowl games five consecutive years before he 
> arrived. 
>
> Hmmm...Pederson sure has 'low' expectations, as we found out in 4 
> years!
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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 16:35:43 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  1 16:24:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt was given a three-year
	contract extension...
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I actually would have enjoyed that scenario.  However, SP is obviously pleased with the NFL coaches in the college game formula, so Wannestadt should have free reign at PITT, excuse me the University of Pittsburgh for along time. 

jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:  What's the guy supposed to do, show up and fire Wannestadt on his 
first day?

Then go through a protracted coaching search because he just showed 
up one day?

Give the guy a break. Pederson is gone.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.comw

On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:11 PM, TV's Frank wrote:

> ...despite not producing a winning record in three seasons in a 
> program that went to bowl games five consecutive years before he 
> arrived. 
>
> Hmmm...Pederson sure has 'low' expectations, as we found out in 4 
> years!
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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 16:38:37 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  1 16:27:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
In-Reply-To: <ociniuiwmsncewycytav.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
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If anyone is interested in the type of arrangement SP, HP, and BC had email me off the list and I will share my thoughts.  They are disgustingly lurid and not fit for family consumption, unless of course you are the Manson family or Michael Jackson, or Senator Larry Craig. 

Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com> wrote:  

--- Source message ---
From: "Roger Lohr" 
Sent: 12/1/2007 14:34:34
Subject: Re: [Husker] SP and Buyout

But Bob, this guy took another AD job a month after he was fired. Too darn 
bad that NU didn't have a clause in there about not having to pay him if he 
took another comparable job. I still wonder if SP & HP weren't in some kind 
of under-handed deal...it smells to me and I have hayfever.

Roger






As small a part of a Chancellor's job that the Athletic Department
is I can't believe Perlman would want to take that kind of chance
unless there was big time money in it for him somewhere. Something
like that, if proven, would likely be grounds for dismissal and
possible prosecution. But, who knows? 


I think one thing people here are forgetting is Pederson's former
track record at Pitt was great. I am sure they can't wait to get him
back. We tend to judge his performance pretty much on football and
football alone. As was said here the Athletic Department at NU under
Pederson other than football is/was in pretty good to great shape. 
The problem with football was I believe Pederson let his personal
feelings override his professional judgement.


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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 16:39:42 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  1 16:28:40 2007
Subject: [Husker] Gill for Coach
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Does Kelsay get a vote?  I thought this was To's call, just like 10 years ago. 

Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com> wrote:  
Here's one vote for Turner:


http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10197861


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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 16:39:52 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  1 16:28:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] Gill for Coach
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Does Kelsay get a vote?  I thought this was To's call, just like 10 years ago. 

Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com> wrote:  
Here's one vote for Turner:


http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10197861


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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 16:39:46 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  1 16:29:00 2007
Subject: [Husker] Gill for Coach
In-Reply-To: <pkaytbnoxpbaefminivp.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
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Does Kelsay get a vote?  I thought this was To's call, just like 10 years ago. 

Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com> wrote:  
Here's one vote for Turner:


http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10197861


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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec  1 16:54:00 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
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Subject: [Husker] Gill for Coach
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--- Source message ---
From: "Sue Smith" <huskerdana@yahoo.com>
Sent: 12/1/2007 16:39:42
Subject: Re: [Husker] Gill for Coach
 
>>Does Kelsay get a vote?  I thought this was To's call, just like 10 years
>> ago.
 
 
 
     Well, then we better stop all discussion on the list on who we would like
     it to be or who we think it will be.  None of US have any more of a vote
     than does Kelsay either.  I didn't post that article with any intention
     of implying Kelsay had a vote.   If that is what you got from my post you
     badly missed the point.  I thought with Kelsay being a former Husker his
     opionion might be found to be interesting.  Apparently I was wrong.  
 
 
Bob Beach

From reggie at kearney.net  Sat Dec  1 21:03:42 2007
From: reggie at kearney.net (marc)
Date: Sat Dec  1 19:50:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] Husker in the B12 Champ Game
Message-ID: <33428.97.87.72.252.1196564622.squirrel@webmail.kearney.net>

Clete Blakeman is the referee for the B12 game in San Antonio.  No way
they could keep everything Big Red out of that game!!!

From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 21:03:15 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Sat Dec  1 20:52:13 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
In-Reply-To: <ociniuiwmsncewycytav.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
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Well Bob what sports programs were in trouble when SP took over. He didn't really do much to boost the other programs he just continued to do what was being done. Most of our sports programs were in pretty good shape and he didn't do much to help the bball program. He didn't fire Collier when he probably should have and the only reason Doc is here is because Collier quit. What did he do to help any of the programs? 





Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com> wrote:  
 
--- Source message ---
From: "Roger Lohr" 
Sent: 12/1/2007 14:34:34
Subject: Re: [Husker] SP and Buyout
 
But Bob, this guy took another AD job a month after he was fired.  Too darn 
bad that NU didn't have a clause in there about not having to pay him if he 
took another comparable job.  I still wonder if SP & HP weren't in some kind 
of under-handed deal...it smells to me and I have hayfever.
 
Roger
 
 
 
 
 
 
          As small a part of a Chancellor's job that the Athletic Department
          is I can't believe Perlman would want to take that kind of chance
          unless there was big time money in it for him somewhere.  Something
          like that, if proven, would likely be grounds for dismissal and
          possible prosecution.  But, who knows?  
 
 
        I think one thing people here are forgetting is Pederson's former
        track record at Pitt was great.  I am sure they can't wait to get him
        back.  We tend to judge his performance pretty much on football and
        football alone.  As was said here the Athletic Department at NU under
        Pederson other than football is/was in pretty good to great shape. 
        The problem with football was I believe Pederson let his personal
        feelings override his professional judgement.
 
 
Bob Beach

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From alans at efn.org  Sat Dec  1 21:12:00 2007
From: alans at efn.org (Alan Siporin)
Date: Sat Dec  1 21:01:04 2007
Subject: [Husker] Thanks
In-Reply-To: <000501c8315f$62922c20$6400a8c0@userc62e806ee2>
Message-ID: <C3776280.2095%alans@efn.org>

Thanks to the many people who responded to my inquiry about the list being
down or not. So my messages are getting thru to the list and individual
messages are getting thru to me. (I already knew that part, though, because
of other emails).

Gee wiz, and just when I had all the inside scoops, too.  (sarcasm alert)

Note to Mike Nolan: Most people told me they were getting the list just
fine, but a couple others in addition to me said they were having problems,
too. 


From pgaule at cox.net  Sat Dec  1 22:01:53 2007
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat Gaule)
Date: Sat Dec  1 21:48:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pitt knocks off WV
Message-ID: <47522E31.5050402@cox.net>

Wow..

I still believe the stache is an awful coach and that the move to extend 
his contract will look very stupid in the long run, but what an upset! 
The BCS is full-out chaos mode here.  The BCS #1 team (Missouri) is also 
losing.

From nickchevance at gmail.com  Sat Dec  1 22:05:04 2007
From: nickchevance at gmail.com (Nick Chevance)
Date: Sat Dec  1 21:54:16 2007
Subject: [Husker] Next Coach
Message-ID: <379622790712012005m70155a21ga1eb15ed08955ba3@mail.gmail.com>

I thought I'd spend some time wisely while watching Mizzou/Oklahoma and ask
the burning question of the day.

What the h%$% does ESPN know and who told them?

While driving around running errands today, all I heard on the radio was
that ESPN says that Pellini is the next coach.  But Pellini I thought was
quoted saying he didn't know anything about it, and Dr. Tom has kept really
quiet.  So, what do they know and who told them?  Seeing that they seemed to
have decided that Miles was all but gone to Michigan, and now he's not, just
how reliable is their information?  I actually haven't heard ESPN actually
say it, just that someone reporting that ESPN said it.

Nick

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From pibelbc at gmail.com  Sat Dec  1 22:16:53 2007
From: pibelbc at gmail.com (Kerry Hookstra)
Date: Sat Dec  1 22:06:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt was given a three-year
	contract extension...
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References: <6F28C94A-89F7-4F73-90F2-EB28CE0AB0C4@gmail.com>
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Given the near complete domination of West Virginia by Pitt this evening,
this contract extension looks like a pure genius move. This rivalry is long
and bitter and the winner gets bragging rights in a two state area.
Wannstedt may actually turn things around for the Panthers and the contract
deal will likely keep him on the job even with Steve Pederson as AD.

Kerry Hookstra
Downs, Kansas

On Dec 1, 2007 4:35 PM, Sue Smith <huskerdana@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I actually would have enjoyed that scenario.  However, SP is obviously
> pleased with the NFL coaches in the college game formula, so Wannestadt
> should have free reign at PITT, excuse me the University of Pittsburgh for
> along time.
>
> jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:  What's the guy supposed to
> do, show up and fire Wannestadt on his
> first day?
>
> Then go through a protracted coaching search because he just showed
> up one day?
>
> Give the guy a break. Pederson is gone.
>
> Jon Johnston
> http://www.cornnation.comw
>
> On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:11 PM, TV's Frank wrote:
>
> > ...despite not producing a winning record in three seasons in a
> > program that went to bowl games five consecutive years before he
> > arrived.
> >
> > Hmmm...Pederson sure has 'low' expectations, as we found out in 4
> > years!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > husker@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
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From pgaule at cox.net  Sat Dec  1 22:45:07 2007
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat Gaule)
Date: Sat Dec  1 22:31:42 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt was given a three-year	contract
	extension...
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References: <6F28C94A-89F7-4F73-90F2-EB28CE0AB0C4@gmail.com>	<338676.94201.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <47523853.7010707@cox.net>

Kerry Hookstra wrote:
> Given the near complete domination of West Virginia by Pitt this evening,
> this contract extension looks like a pure genius move. This rivalry is long
> and bitter and the winner gets bragging rights in a two state area.
> Wannstedt may actually turn things around for the Panthers and the contract
> deal will likely keep him on the job even with Steve Pederson as AD.
> 
> Kerry Hookstra
> Downs, Kansas

West Virginia lost this game moreso than Pitt winning it.  I am willing 
to bet money that Wannstedt will not turn things around.  He is not a 
good coach, and one game doesn't change the fact that he's had 5 
consecutive losing seasons.  This move will still look stupid in the 
long-term, and I am sure of that.

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec  1 22:43:28 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec  1 22:33:27 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
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--- Source message ---
From: "j j" <jjj112665@yahoo.com>
Sent: 12/1/2007 21:03:15
Subject: Re: [Husker] SP and Buyout
 
>>Well Bob what sports programs were in trouble when SP took over. He didn't
>> really do much to boost the other programs he just continued to do what was
>> being done. Most of our sports programs were in pretty good shape and he
>> didn't do much to help the bball program. He didn't fire Collier when he
>> probably should have and the only reason Doc is here is because Collier
>> quit. What did he do to help any of the programs?
 
 
 
 
    Okay, so I am wrong big time amundo.  I am not going to do an exhaustive
    study on an athletic department headed by an AD that isn't even here
    anymore and has no affect on the current situation.  Whatever the reason,
    and the reason/reasons could be legion, other than football when Pederson
    was given the heave ho the entirety of the athletic department was not in
    bad shape.  At this point I am not worrying about what Pederson did as NU
    AD or he didn't do.  Because of that I see no reason to continuously bag
    on him either.  He has moved on to another job.  Is there any reason we
    can't move on?  Are we that hate filled because of a football program we
    can't let it go?  
 
Bob Beach
 
 
 
 
 
 

From pgaule at cox.net  Sat Dec  1 22:49:03 2007
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat Gaule)
Date: Sat Dec  1 22:35:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt was given a three-year	contract
	extension...
In-Reply-To: <47523853.7010707@cox.net>
References: <6F28C94A-89F7-4F73-90F2-EB28CE0AB0C4@gmail.com>	<338676.94201.qm@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<309434e20712012016r6758a1dfvd1276f55d1f365e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<47523853.7010707@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4752393F.30300@cox.net>

Pat Gaule wrote:
> 
> West Virginia lost this game moreso than Pitt winning it.  I am willing 
> to bet money that Wannstedt will not turn things around.  He is not a 
> good coach, and one game doesn't change the fact that he's had 5 
> consecutive losing seasons.  This move will still look stupid in the 
> long-term, and I am sure of that.
> 

Sorry...I should have said 3 consecutive non-winning seasons.

To expand on the game tonight, WVU just looked completely incompetent. 
Pat White got knocked out early in the game and even though he came 
back, he wasn't the same QB.  I don't think they could have beaten Peru 
State today.

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec  1 22:48:27 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec  1 22:38:26 2007
Subject: [Husker] Next Coach
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--- Source message ---
From: "Nick Chevance" <nickchevance@gmail.com>
Sent: 12/1/2007 22:34:50
Subject: [Husker] Next Coach
 
I thought I'd spend some time wisely while watching Mizzou/Oklahoma and ask
the burning question of the day.
 
What the h%$% does ESPN know and who told them?
 
 
 
 
 
     All TO has said  is "no comment".  All Pelini has said is "I wonder where
     they got their information"?  Neither response confirms or denys
     anything.  Let's see if in the next two or three days if ESPPN knows what
     they are talking about.  I know in other situations ESPN doesn't often
     report something without what they believe to be something with
     substantiation.
 
 
Bob Beach

From jocar26 at cox.net  Sat Dec  1 22:57:48 2007
From: jocar26 at cox.net (C Jolly)
Date: Sat Dec  1 22:47:49 2007
Subject: [Husker] Rooting for OU, Am I wrong
Message-ID: <47523B4C.6070807@cox.net>

    Yea OU!  I know I am supposed to root for the Big 12 North, but I 
couldn't
bring myself to root for Missouri.I have much more respect for Stoops 
than Pinkel.
Did you see Chase Daniels loose it on the sidlines?  I guess he saw the 
Heisman trophey running away from him.

 
        .

From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  1 23:13:10 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  1 23:02:18 2007
Subject: [Husker] Rooting for OU, Am I wrong
In-Reply-To: <47523B4C.6070807@cox.net>
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I rooted for OU as well.  I dislike Missouri based on their rotten fans.  I also took some some pleasure in Pitt beating West Virginia.  However, will this propel LSU into the championship game, perhaps keeping Pelini at LSU until January or longer?

The match up I would like to see is Kansas vs Georgia.  

C Jolly <jocar26@cox.net> wrote:     Yea OU!  I know I am supposed to root for the Big 12 North, but I 
couldn't
bring myself to root for Missouri.I have much more respect for Stoops 
than Pinkel.
Did you see Chase Daniels loose it on the sidlines?  I guess he saw the 
Heisman trophey running away from him.

 
        .

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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 00:58:25 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Sun Dec  2 00:47:24 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pedey signs another contract extension
In-Reply-To: <47519FD8.5020806@cox.net>
Message-ID: <576264.25054.qm@web52411.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

However, Pitt is NOT Nebraska and doesn't have a 40 year 9 win
seasons winning streak that was broken and then dismantled. 

Also, today, Pitt beat WVA putting the BCS in a tailspin when Mizzou
lost to those darn Sooners! 

GBR, 
Lynette

--- Pat Gaule <pgaule@cox.net> wrote:

> http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3135834
> 
> On his very first day, he decides to give Wantstache a contract 
> extension though 2012?  Does he have a thing for failed NFL coaches
> with 
> multiple losing seasons?  Good Grief!  I can't wait until Pitt has 
> another losing season next year and Pitt fans realize they still
> have 4 
> more years to deal with.  Sound farmilliar?
> 
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From pgaule at cox.net  Sun Dec  2 01:37:03 2007
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat Gaule)
Date: Sun Dec  2 01:23:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pedey signs another contract extension
In-Reply-To: <576264.25054.qm@web52411.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <576264.25054.qm@web52411.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4752609F.6090806@cox.net>

Lynette Tillner wrote:
> However, Pitt is NOT Nebraska and doesn't have a 40 year 9 win
> seasons winning streak that was broken and then dismantled. 


Before Wanny came to Pitt, they had gone no worse than 7-5 in the 
previous 5 seasons under Walt Harris and actually went to the Fiesta 
Bowl in 2005.

While Pitt may not be Nebraska, they do have a rich football history, 
including 6 national championships (although only one of them came after 
WWII) and a Heisman trophy winner.  They have yet to even go to a bowl 
under Wanny, who has been an utter failure of a head coach every where 
he's gone.  At least Callahan had *one* great season in the NFL, and a 
couple respectable (but mediocre) seasons at Nebraska.

 >Also, today, Pitt beat WVA putting the BCS in a tailspin when Mizzou
 > lost to those darn Sooners!

The WVA loss was shocking, but I was not surprised to see OU beat 
Missouri.  Oklahoma has been the class of the Big 12 ever since Stoops 
arrived in Norman, and Mizzou was simply having a "once every 20 years" 
type of season.  Unfortunately for Mizzou, they met their match tonight.

One would think this BCS mess does affect the Nebraska coaching 
situation, because most pundits seem to think that Ohio State will play 
LSU in the title game.  If that's the case, the question is whether 
Pelini will coach in that game, or depart for Nebraska before January? 
All of this assumes, of course, that these rumors have substance.

From Wayne.Schammel at bp.com  Sun Dec  2 04:24:46 2007
From: Wayne.Schammel at bp.com (Schammel, Wayne P)
Date: Sun Dec  2 04:14:49 2007
Subject: [Husker] LSU in Title game?  Implications for Nebraska
Message-ID: <05F7D0B261C7F24BBD5D9DFD2A96E0F602550A10@BP1XEUEX706-C.bp1.ad.bp.com>

It looks like the scrambled up mess currently called the BCS will send a
twice beaten LSU team to play an overrated and untested Ohio State team
for the national title.  I think ESPN, in their rush to be first on news
stories and abandoning accuracy, has come out of this mess with egg on
their face big time.  Kirk (boy do I have a scoop) Herbstreit was
giddily announcing his news on College Gameday that Miles has already
bolted to Michigan which turned out to be nonsense.

With this as backdrop, I think the Pellini to Nebraska rumor is actually
true, although I think last night's game puts a question mark on whether
it will actually happen.  Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure
someone will :)), but I believe that an assistant coach like Pellini who
takes a job with another team after the regular season would foregoe the
bowl and move directly to the new team (Nebraska) to get recruiting
going.  Well, if I were Pellini (and I wish I was), I don't think I
would want to pass up a chance to coach in the National Championship
game against my alma mater.  

If he does insist on being in the title game, then the big question is
whether Osborne will wait for him until after the bowl game and continue
to be the interim coach and lead recruiter.  Maybe it is no big deal but
it seems like this could be a sticking point.

Wayne
From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 07:27:13 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Sun Dec  2 07:16:10 2007
Subject: [Husker] LSU in Title game?  Implications for Nebraska
In-Reply-To: <05F7D0B261C7F24BBD5D9DFD2A96E0F602550A10@BP1XEUEX706-C.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <506366.85930.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think there are huge implications as to when Pelini
can come to Lincoln.  Personally, I've felt LSU was
the best team in the country since week 1 of the
season, and only changed my mind after LSU's second
triple-overtime loss.  Now I've changed my mind again.

As for who they should play in the title game, I can't
really decide.  I know it should NOT be Ohio State. 
The Buckeyes will likely be #1 for some reason, but I
can't figure out why.  They have only one loss, but
who have they beaten?  Most of the Big Ten?  Big
whoopee.  Who in the Big Ten is any good?  Seriously. 
Nebraska would have made a bowl game playing in the
Big Ten this season, mostly because CozBohl's defense
would have only given up 30 points most weeks.  Akron?
 Kent State?  Oh, they did beat Washington.  But so
did Hawaii last night.  In that case, Hawaii makes
more sense than Ohio State.

I mean, if you are going to reward a team for playing
a putzy schedule and only losing one game, put Kansas
in there then.


--- "Schammel, Wayne P" <Wayne.Schammel@bp.com> wrote:

> It looks like the scrambled up mess currently called
> the BCS will send a
> twice beaten LSU team to play an overrated and
> untested Ohio State team
> for the national title.  I think ESPN, in their rush
> to be first on news
> stories and abandoning accuracy, has come out of
> this mess with egg on
> their face big time.  Kirk (boy do I have a scoop)
> Herbstreit was
> giddily announcing his news on College Gameday that
> Miles has already
> bolted to Michigan which turned out to be nonsense.
> 
> With this as backdrop, I think the Pellini to
> Nebraska rumor is actually
> true, although I think last night's game puts a
> question mark on whether
> it will actually happen.  Correct me if I am wrong
> (and I am sure
> someone will :)), but I believe that an assistant
> coach like Pellini who
> takes a job with another team after the regular
> season would foregoe the
> bowl and move directly to the new team (Nebraska) to
> get recruiting
> going.  Well, if I were Pellini (and I wish I was),
> I don't think I
> would want to pass up a chance to coach in the
> National Championship
> game against my alma mater.  
> 
> If he does insist on being in the title game, then
> the big question is
> whether Osborne will wait for him until after the
> bowl game and continue
> to be the interim coach and lead recruiter.  Maybe
> it is no big deal but
> it seems like this could be a sticking point.
> 
> Wayne
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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 08:58:28 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sun Dec  2 08:47:28 2007
Subject: [Husker] LSU in Title game?  Implications for Nebraska
In-Reply-To: <506366.85930.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <982415.28464.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

If LSU makes the game, I think Pelini will stay at LSU for that game.  Is that a deal killer?  Time may tell.

My new hope for  the title game is KU - OSU.  Both teams played poor non-conference schedules, plus KU got lucky with a weak conference schedule (no OU or UT).  IMHO, KU would lose to both OU and UT.   The Big 10 was actually very strong this year.  OSU had impressive wins over Penn State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Purdue all of which are going bowling. All Big 10 teams except Minnesota are bowl eligible this year, except a couple of teams (Iowa and Northwestern) probably won't get bids. 

The Northwestern non-invite is no loss since no bowl would want them due to their tepid fan support.  Plus, Northwestern lost (at home) to Duke this year, give me a break!

Getting back to my point, KU can beat OSU bringing the NC to the Big 12 North, where it belongs.


Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote: I think there are huge implications as to when Pelini
can come to Lincoln.  Personally, I've felt LSU was
the best team in the country since week 1 of the
season, and only changed my mind after LSU's second
triple-overtime loss.  Now I've changed my mind again.

As for who they should play in the title game, I can't
really decide.  I know it should NOT be Ohio State. 
The Buckeyes will likely be #1 for some reason, but I
can't figure out why.  They have only one loss, but
who have they beaten?  Most of the Big Ten?  Big
whoopee.  Who in the Big Ten is any good?  Seriously. 
Nebraska would have made a bowl game playing in the
Big Ten this season, mostly because CozBohl's defense
would have only given up 30 points most weeks.  Akron?
 Kent State?  Oh, they did beat Washington.  But so
did Hawaii last night.  In that case, Hawaii makes
more sense than Ohio State.

I mean, if you are going to reward a team for playing
a putzy schedule and only losing one game, put Kansas
in there then.


--- "Schammel, Wayne P"  wrote:

> It looks like the scrambled up mess currently called
> the BCS will send a
> twice beaten LSU team to play an overrated and
> untested Ohio State team
> for the national title.  I think ESPN, in their rush
> to be first on news
> stories and abandoning accuracy, has come out of
> this mess with egg on
> their face big time.  Kirk (boy do I have a scoop)
> Herbstreit was
> giddily announcing his news on College Gameday that
> Miles has already
> bolted to Michigan which turned out to be nonsense.
> 
> With this as backdrop, I think the Pellini to
> Nebraska rumor is actually
> true, although I think last night's game puts a
> question mark on whether
> it will actually happen.  Correct me if I am wrong
> (and I am sure
> someone will :)), but I believe that an assistant
> coach like Pellini who
> takes a job with another team after the regular
> season would foregoe the
> bowl and move directly to the new team (Nebraska) to
> get recruiting
> going.  Well, if I were Pellini (and I wish I was),
> I don't think I
> would want to pass up a chance to coach in the
> National Championship
> game against my alma mater.  
> 
> If he does insist on being in the title game, then
> the big question is
> whether Osborne will wait for him until after the
> bowl game and continue
> to be the interim coach and lead recruiter.  Maybe
> it is no big deal but
> it seems like this could be a sticking point.
> 
> Wayne
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From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Sun Dec  2 10:03:22 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Sun Dec  2 09:52:21 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt was given a three-year
	contract extension...
Message-ID: <537091.20856.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Pat, I agree that Pitt didn't "earn" the win but rather WV "earned" the loss.

But what went through my mind all night was "Why would Steve Pedersen give Wannstadt an extension?"  Maybe better phrased, why would SP come to Nebraska and fire a 75% career winning coach (I concede some shortcomings), but then return to Pitt and retain a career under-.500 coach -- and give him an extension?  I could see SP firing the guy and looking for a replacement, or I could see giving Wannie another year to improve, but I can see no logical reasoning behind an extension?  Does anyone have anything close to a decent rationale for this action?

SP made some bad decisions at NU and this seems to be in keeping with that trend.  (At least he is not at NU anymore).

Duane

----- Original Message ----
From: Pat Gaule pgaule@cox.net


West Virginia lost this game moreso than Pitt winning it.  I am willing 
to bet money that Wannstedt will not turn things around.  He is not a 
good coach, and one game doesn't change the fact that he's had 5 
consecutive losing seasons.  This move will still look stupid in the 
long-term, and I am sure of that.

_______________________________________________
From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Sun Dec  2 10:06:59 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Sun Dec  2 09:55:54 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
Message-ID: <571340.23634.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes, Bob, we ARE that resentful of what he did to our football program.  I am glad you can put it behind you however.

Duane


----- Original Message ----
From: Baseballguy baseballguy@neb.rr.com

    At this point I am not worrying about what Pederson did as NU
    AD or he didn't do.  Because of that I see no reason to continuously bag
    on him either.  He has moved on to another job.  Is there any reason we
    can't move on?  Are we that hate filled because of a football program we
    can't let it go?  

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From suerog2 at worldnet.att.net  Sun Dec  2 10:13:55 2007
From: suerog2 at worldnet.att.net (Roger Lohr)
Date: Sun Dec  2 10:03:30 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
References: <571340.23634.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <021701c834fe$5885f250$6401a8c0@toshiba>

I would add that I am also resentful that he was able to 'walk' with $2.2M 
even after getting his old job back at Pitt.  That is really the pitts!!

Roger Lohr-Mpls


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Feldman" <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>
To: "Baseballguy" <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>; "Husker List" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Husker] SP and Buyout


> Yes, Bob, we ARE that resentful of what he did to our football program.  I 
> am glad you can put it behind you however.
>
> Duane
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Baseballguy baseballguy@neb.rr.com
>
>    At this point I am not worrying about what Pederson did as NU
>    AD or he didn't do.  Because of that I see no reason to continuously 
> bag
>    on him either.  He has moved on to another job.  Is there any reason we
>    can't move on?  Are we that hate filled because of a football program 
> we
>    can't let it go?
>
> Bob Beach
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From suerog2 at worldnet.att.net  Sun Dec  2 10:16:31 2007
From: suerog2 at worldnet.att.net (Roger Lohr)
Date: Sun Dec  2 10:06:04 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt was given a three-yearcontract
	extension...
References: <537091.20856.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <021b01c834fe$b4c66ea0$6401a8c0@toshiba>

My ONLY explanation for such action on the part of SP, is that he loves to 
surround himself with those who will worship him.  It is not below him to 
'buy' them for their continued loyalty and admiration.

Roger Lohr-Mpls


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Feldman" <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>
To: "Pat Gaule" <pgaule@cox.net>; <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt was given a 
three-yearcontract extension...


> Pat, I agree that Pitt didn't "earn" the win but rather WV "earned" the 
> loss.
>
> But what went through my mind all night was "Why would Steve Pedersen give 
> Wannstadt an extension?"  Maybe better phrased, why would SP come to 
> Nebraska and fire a 75% career winning coach (I concede some 
> shortcomings), but then return to Pitt and retain a career under-.500 
> coach -- and give him an extension?  I could see SP firing the guy and 
> looking for a replacement, or I could see giving Wannie another year to 
> improve, but I can see no logical reasoning behind an extension?  Does 
> anyone have anything close to a decent rationale for this action?
>
> SP made some bad decisions at NU and this seems to be in keeping with that 
> trend.  (At least he is not at NU anymore).
>
> Duane
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Pat Gaule pgaule@cox.net
>
>
> West Virginia lost this game moreso than Pitt winning it.  I am willing
> to bet money that Wannstedt will not turn things around.  He is not a
> good coach, and one game doesn't change the fact that he's had 5
> consecutive losing seasons.  This move will still look stupid in the
> long-term, and I am sure of that.
>
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From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Sun Dec  2 10:20:25 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Sun Dec  2 10:09:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] testing
Message-ID: <644614.22770.qm@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

WHAT???  The Japanese are still hunting whales???  I thought only Eskimos could hunt whales!!!  Damn, the things you lose track of when you get caught up in "As the World of Coaching Turns."  

(Tangentially related question:  Is there still a soap opera called "As the World Turns" or do I need to update my reference options?)

Duane

----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Jaixen mikejaixen@yahoo.com

No, it's going to Greenpeace as a protest to the
Japanese whale hunt.

--- Not So Original Message ---
jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

> is this going to the husker list?
>
From kmckillip at houston.rr.com  Sun Dec  2 10:48:32 2007
From: kmckillip at houston.rr.com (Kenneth McKillip)
Date: Sun Dec  2 10:37:45 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
In-Reply-To: <021701c834fe$5885f250$6401a8c0@toshiba>
Message-ID: <000001c83503$2d9b8500$6400a8c0@userc62e806ee2>

I actually don't hold this against SP.

This is about lack of accountability and the type of decisions it leads to.
HP calculated there would be no consequence to him.  He could spin things
away if necessary.

That is why there actually does need to be a consequence now.  For the long
term good.

HP should have said to SP when he came to him for early guaranteed
extensions, "You and Bill show me a Big XII Championship and we'll talk".
Would have set up an entirely different dynamic than this "it's just one
season mentality".

You just can't let the "I sensed a problem last summer but went ahead and
extended both of them stand".  It is totally out of control.  The only
saving grace is TO is in the loop now and you know crap like this is not
going to happen on his watch.  He will get results.

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Roger Lohr
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:14 AM
To: Duane Feldman; Baseballguy; Husker List
Subject: Re: [Husker] SP and Buyout

I would add that I am also resentful that he was able to 'walk' with $2.2M 
even after getting his old job back at Pitt.  That is really the pitts!!

Roger Lohr-Mpls


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Feldman" <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>
To: "Baseballguy" <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>; "Husker List" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Husker] SP and Buyout


> Yes, Bob, we ARE that resentful of what he did to our football program.  I

> am glad you can put it behind you however.
>
> Duane
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Baseballguy baseballguy@neb.rr.com
>
>    At this point I am not worrying about what Pederson did as NU
>    AD or he didn't do.  Because of that I see no reason to continuously 
> bag
>    on him either.  He has moved on to another job.  Is there any reason we
>    can't move on?  Are we that hate filled because of a football program 
> we
>    can't let it go?
>
> Bob Beach
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Sun Dec  2 11:04:02 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Sun Dec  2 10:53:00 2007
Subject: [Husker] CoachCallahan.com is no more
Message-ID: <933350.70407.qm@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm not a direct party to the ongoings of South Stadium, but I have heard "rumors."

Yes, he has met with all of the other Head Coaches, but not all individually.  With only a month, he hasn't had a chance.  Moreover, most coaches have goals already set and I doubt that he would change those goals.

TO made some immediate changes including the dismantling of the security restrictions, the return of the Hall of AA pictures, inviting all past players to visit him or the practices anytime, the AD is not available to all employees and visitors,  the offer for free tickets to prior players and probably most importantly, the dismissal of the consultant who implemented the oppressive internal management practices that caused so many of the past employees to leave.  A small but visible example is the "You Are Responsible" signs posted throughout the offices in the stadium (the implied message:  "if something bad happens, it is your fault").  Employees return to a relaxed environment from a stress-filled atmosphere.  Fundraiser Paul Myers being invited back is another biggie.  Haven't heard more on Ostergardt or the numerous employees who have left due to the negative atmosphere.

The change was monumental internally.

Duane


----- Original Message ----
Tommy Thompson <huskertt@charter.net> wrote:
On a corollary note, how much has Tom Osborne taken an interest into the 
other programs?  Has he spoken with the Head Coaches of the other 
departments, and if so, has he laid down any expectations for them, just as 
he did for the Football program?

Someone on the list mentioned that SP was fired, not because of the Football 
program, but rather because of the atmosphere he created.  Besides "healing" 
the wounds of the Football season, how has he fostered a better working 
atmosphere for the entire athletic department?

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  2 11:05:02 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  2 10:55:00 2007
Subject: [Husker] LSU in Title game?  Implications for Nebraska
In-Reply-To: <506366.85930.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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--- Source message ---
From: "Mike Jaixen" <mikejaixen@yahoo.com>
Sent: 12/2/2007 08:31:13
Subject: Re: [Husker] LSU in Title game? Implications for Nebraska
 
 
>>As for who they should play in the title game, I can't
really decide.  I know it should NOT be Ohio State. 
The Buckeyes will likely be #1 for some reason, but I
can't figure out why.  They have only one loss, but
who have they beaten?  Most of the Big Ten?  Big
whoopee.  Who in the Big Ten is any good?  Seriously. 
Nebraska would have made a bowl game playing in the
Big Ten this season, mostly because CozBohl's defense
would have only given up 30 points most weeks.  Akron?
 Kent State?  Oh, they did beat Washington.  But so
did Hawaii last night.  In that case, Hawaii makes
more sense than Ohio State.<<
 
 
 
 
     You have precisely delineated why over the years my excitement for
     college football in general isn't what it should be.  A lot of years you
     don't have quite this kind of mess but it seems there is always SOME kind
     of controversy.  No matter who gets in a true NC will not be crowned this
     year.  As a matter of fact I am not sure how they can call it a
     championship game with a straight face.  There are so many teams with 2
     losses I think it would be very hard to say there are two that deserve to
     play for all the marbles more than the rest.  It likely will be LSU and
     Ohio State.  But, again it is very hard to say they deserve it more than
     anyone other two loss teams.  Kansas still only has one loss and as you
     say what about Hawaii?  They are undefeated.  This isn't the first time
     the Conference Championship Game has stabbed the Big 12 in the back.  It
     has come time the BCS does one of three things.  One option is make
     everyone be part of a conference and make every conference have a
     conference title game, do away with conference title games, or don't
     count the conference title game in the BCS rankings.  Number two won't
     happen because of money but the other two could possibly happen.  At any
     rate it isn't a level playing field across the board right now.  Just my
     opinion.
 
 
Bob Beach
 
 

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  2 11:13:36 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  2 11:03:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
In-Reply-To: <571340.23634.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <571340.23634.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ticlinliyyxjdusxeien.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
 
--- Source message ---
From: "Duane Feldman" <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>
Sent: 12/2/2007 10:07:01
Subject: Re: [Husker] SP and Buyout
 
Yes, Bob, we ARE that resentful of what he did to our football program. 
 
Duane
 
 
 
 
 
     Sorry to hear that Duane.  I truly am.  I don't like what has happened to
     the football program any more than anyone else.  But, I guess I would
     like to think one can separate the professional from the personal.  I
     thought the decision to fire Pederson had to be made but that doesn't
     mean I hate the man personally for the rest of his and/or my natural
     life.  Besides, bagging on Pederson will do nothing to change history.  
 
 
Bob Beach

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  2 11:29:12 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  2 11:19:09 2007
Subject: [Husker] LSU Fans
Message-ID: <dlxmdbpeirlkroxqavhu.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
     LSU fans have varying opinions about Pelini.  And, just for the record, I
     understand LSU fans don't have a vote on whether Pelini is hired at NU or
     not.
 
 
http://tinyurl.com/2aqopu
 
 
Bob Beach

From sklarbodds at cox.net  Sun Dec  2 11:53:59 2007
From: sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Sun Dec  2 11:43:57 2007
Subject: [Husker] Bo Pellini: By The Numbers
Message-ID: <003a01c8350c$5159abd0$f40d0370$@net>

FWIW, if Bo is our HC and LSU does make the MNC game, he still comes to
Lincoln before the game anyway, IMO.  He may stick around long enough to
help devise a game plan, but I bet after that he's gone.

Here's the numbers for Bo's defenses as a College DC. 

(Rush/Pass/Tot/Score/TO/Avg)
2003 NU: 24/11/11/2/2/10
2004 Co-OU: 6/48/13/11/54/26
2005 LSU: 6/11/3/3/111/26
2006 LSU: 14/4/3/4/78/20
2007 LSU: 14/6/3/22/5/10

5-year Avgs:
Rush #13
Pass #16
Total #7
Scoring #8
TO #50
Overall Avg #18

Not too freakin shabby. I've often said that stats are most relevant over
time, well there you have it.  3 different teams over 5 years and just
continually producing talent is not a fluke.  I don't know if he'll be the
best HC, but the man can flat out coach a defense.

Two most important averages over the 5 years:
#7 Total Defense Avg / #8 Scoring Defense Avg.

--
Skylar
mailto: sklarbodds@cox.net



From ltillner at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 12:02:58 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Sun Dec  2 11:51:54 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt was given a three-year
	contract extension...
In-Reply-To: <537091.20856.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <415282.96139.qm@web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I think that since Callahan is now available, SP wanted to make sure
he didn't make the SAME mistake twice! :-))


--- Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net> wrote:

> Pat, I agree that Pitt didn't "earn" the win but rather WV "earned"
> the loss.
> 
> But what went through my mind all night was "Why would Steve
> Pedersen give Wannstadt an extension?"  Maybe better phrased, why
> would SP come to Nebraska and fire a 75% career winning coach (I
> concede some shortcomings), but then return to Pitt and retain a
> career under-.500 coach -- and give him an extension?  I could see
> SP firing the guy and looking for a replacement, or I could see
> giving Wannie another year to improve, but I can see no logical
> reasoning behind an extension?  Does anyone have anything close to
> a decent rationale for this action?
> 
> SP made some bad decisions at NU and this seems to be in keeping
> with that trend.  (At least he is not at NU anymore).
> 
> Duane
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Pat Gaule pgaule@cox.net
> 
> 
> West Virginia lost this game moreso than Pitt winning it.  I am
> willing 
> to bet money that Wannstedt will not turn things around.  He is not
> a 
> good coach, and one game doesn't change the fact that he's had 5 
> consecutive losing seasons.  This move will still look stupid in
> the 
> long-term, and I am sure of that.
> 
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 12:04:43 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Sun Dec  2 11:53:40 2007
Subject: [Husker] testing
In-Reply-To: <644614.22770.qm@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3493.45207.qm@web52404.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yes, Duane, As the Stomach (er, World) Turns is still on TV. 


--- Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net> wrote:

> WHAT???  The Japanese are still hunting whales???  I thought only
> Eskimos could hunt whales!!!  Damn, the things you lose track of
> when you get caught up in "As the World of Coaching Turns."  
> 
> (Tangentially related question:  Is there still a soap opera called
> "As the World Turns" or do I need to update my reference options?)
> 
> Duane
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mike Jaixen mikejaixen@yahoo.com
> 
> No, it's going to Greenpeace as a protest to the
> Japanese whale hunt.
> 
> --- Not So Original Message ---
> jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > is this going to the husker list?
> >
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 12:24:23 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Sun Dec  2 12:13:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] LSU Fans
In-Reply-To: <dlxmdbpeirlkroxqavhu.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <861682.88091.qm@web52402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

In another LJS article, LSU team members and University seem to think
Bo will be NU's next HC. 

http://tinyurl.com/2mrq35


At the bottom of the article is this short paragraph: 

"Obviously, nothing is set, but past interviews indicate that leading
candidates to be part of Pelini?s staff at Nebraska would include
Marvin Sanders, Carl Pelini, Barney Cotton and Ron Brown. It also
seems likely that NU current assistant Shawn Watson could be on the
staff."

So now, the question is, who would make the best Assistant coaches?
I'd like to see some NU ties in the Assistants. Barry Cotton I would
not like to see at NU though. 

--- Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com> wrote:

>  
>      LSU fans have varying opinions about Pelini.  And, just for
> the record, I
>      understand LSU fans don't have a vote on whether Pelini is
> hired at NU or
>      not.
>  
>  
> http://tinyurl.com/2aqopu
>  
>  
> Bob Beach
> 
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 12:54:32 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Sun Dec  2 12:43:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] Osborne and Switzer as Co HC's! 
Message-ID: <53713.2090.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

This is a fun article by Ken Hambleton. 

http://tinyurl.com/2982yv

Think of the possibilities of Osborne and Switzer as Co-HC's and a
cast of many Assistants all of whom gave Osborne's teams fits over
the years ....

Fun reading! Should inspire some interesting possibilities on the
List! 

GBR!
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From Poncahuskr at aol.com  Sun Dec  2 12:54:02 2007
From: Poncahuskr at aol.com (Poncahuskr@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  2 12:44:22 2007
Subject: [Husker] News Conference
Message-ID: <bee.1a8da243.3484594a@aol.com>

New coach to meet team at 230pm ct and NU has called for news conference at 
4pm ct.
 
 
 
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From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sun Dec  2 13:02:11 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sun Dec  2 12:49:36 2007
Subject: [Husker] NEWS at 2:30
In-Reply-To: <53713.2090.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <53713.2090.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47530133.7000302@hamilton.net>

BREAKING NEWS 2:30 PM news 
conference.http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10199612

Tony Lambert

Lynette Tillner wrote:
> This is a fun article by Ken Hambleton. 
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2982yv
>
> Think of the possibilities of Osborne and Switzer as Co-HC's and a
> cast of many Assistants all of whom gave Osborne's teams fits over
> the years ....
>
> Fun reading! Should inspire some interesting possibilities on the
> List! 
>
> GBR!
> Lynette
>
>
>
> Lynette Tillner
> ltillner@yahoo.com
>
>
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From huskers_001 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  2 13:04:36 2007
From: huskers_001 at hotmail.com (Jeffery Brown)
Date: Sun Dec  2 12:53:54 2007
Subject: [Husker] Press Conference - Player Meeting
Message-ID: <BAY134-W116E565FC48A1FA46855CC0730@phx.gbl>

Fellow Husker Fans,
 
Player meeting called for 1430 CST to meet new HC.  Press conference scheduled for 1600 to announce new HC.  Bet it's Bo!
 
Jeff Brown
Go Big Red!
From gbrlist at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  2 13:09:22 2007
From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Sun Dec  2 12:58:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] 4 pm presser for announcement
Message-ID: <BLU117-W197555FB95AF25280DCE06BA730@phx.gbl>

Most have already heard this I am sure, but TO has called a press conference for 4pm to introduce the new head coach.

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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  2 13:09:54 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  2 12:59:53 2007
Subject: [Husker] Fw: BREAKING NEWS: UNL To Introduce Coach At 4 P.M. -
	Watch LIVE
Message-ID: <sivyfhkwnojfgcjqvrno.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
 
     This just across the wire from KETV news.  I wonder who it will be?
 
 
Bob Beach
 
 
 
--- Source message ---
From: "KETV.com Newsroom" <omasupport@mailer.ibsys.com>
Sent: 12/2/2007 13:06:28
Subject: BREAKING NEWS: UNL To Introduce Coach At 4 P.M. - Watch LIVE
 
UNL To Introduce Coach At 4 P.M. - Watch LIVE
 
 
MORE DETAILS: <http://www.ketv.com/tu/5tNcT1PrL.html>
 
 
 

From stephen.d.bruce at bt.com  Sun Dec  2 13:01:26 2007
From: stephen.d.bruce at bt.com (stephen.d.bruce@bt.com)
Date: Sun Dec  2 13:01:18 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pellini is in Lincoln -- press conference at 4:00 CST
Message-ID: <190F55F0383F3F48B1CB74F047FB086A045BB530@E03MVX4-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net>

Official announcement is in 3 hours...
From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Sun Dec  2 13:21:25 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Sun Dec  2 13:10:22 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
Message-ID: <744899.96826.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bob,
You misunderstand, I don't dislike SP personally, just professionally.  IOW, I am Professionally resentful of SP and what he did to the program [g]. (I'll start adding [g] from now on to suggest humor was intended, whether the reader realizes it or not.  I'll even add the following comment:).
[g=grin or humor intended in previous paragraph]

Ignore history and it will repeat itself.

Seriously, we all deal with disappointments differently.  There are those on just this and other boards who refer to SP as "The Man Whom Who Shall Not Be Named", "Lord Voldemort," another as "The Thing."  You evidently want to pretend it didn't happen and to not think about it/him/TMWSNBN/Thing.  Our actions/comments are not so much about SP or history as they are about our methods of dealing with disappointments.  I'm simply not ready to let it drop.  Please ignore my disparaging comments about SP and I'll ignore you ignoring him. [another g]
[g=grin or humor intended in previous paragraph]

FWIW, I no longer resent Bill Jennings and his "The Football team cannot feed the ego of this state" comment.  I haven't brought it up in months. [g]
[g=grin or humor intended in previous paragraph]

Please lighten up, this is a message board, not death threats.  Most of my posts are interjected with humor -- and some people even get it! (OK, maybe not the last part [g]).
[g=grin or humor intended in previous paragraph]

Duane

[ALERT TO BOB AND OTHERS WITHOUT A SENSE OF HUMOR:     This is intended to be a humorous post (as were my previous posts).  My apologies to all who fail to see the intended humor.  No death threats are intended nor implied.  There is no guarantee written or implied that the recipient will actually smile upon reading my posts.  There is, however, an unwritten guarantee that the writer will NOT do bodily harm to those referred to in the post (even Bob [g] NOTE: This last paranthetical inclosure is another weak attempt at humor).
[g=grin or humor intended in previous paragraph]



--- Source message ---
From: "Duane Feldman" <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>
Sent: 12/2/2007 10:07:01
Subject: Re: [Husker] SP and Buyout

Yes, Bob, we ARE that resentful of what he did to our football program. 


----- Message Being responded to: ----
From: Baseballguy baseballguy@neb.rr.com

    Sorry to hear that Duane.  I truly am.  I don't like what has happened to
    the football program any more than anyone else.  But, I guess I would
    like to think one can separate the professional from the personal.   I
    thought the decision to fire Pederson had to be made but that doesn't
    mean I hate the man personally for the rest of his and/or my natural
    life.  Besides, bagging on Pederson will do nothing to change history.  


Bob Beach

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From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Sun Dec  2 13:29:48 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Sun Dec  2 13:18:45 2007
Subject: [Husker] News Conference
Message-ID: <833567.1094.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can anyone confirm that Bo and/or Gill are in town?  BTW, what time is NU Men's BB game time?
[In light of my earlier post: this is NOT intended as a humorous message].

Duane



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To: Husker@tssi.com
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 1:54:02 PM
Subject: [Husker] News Conference

New coach to meet team at 230pm ct and NU has called for news conference at 
4pm ct.



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From ddraney at alltel.net  Sun Dec  2 13:47:00 2007
From: ddraney at alltel.net (Dan Draney)
Date: Sun Dec  2 13:36:07 2007
Subject: [Husker] NU Up 30-21 over ASU at Half
Message-ID: <C37867D4.4AA6%ddraney@alltel.net>

The Huskers recovered from a series of turnovers in a 12-2 ASU run, and came
back with a run of their own to take a solid lead at the half.



From reggie at kearney.net  Sun Dec  2 15:04:47 2007
From: reggie at kearney.net (marc)
Date: Sun Dec  2 13:51:35 2007
Subject: [Husker] News Conference
In-Reply-To: <833567.1094.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <833567.1094.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <32857.97.87.72.252.1196629487.squirrel@webmail.kearney.net>

The crawler on the Lincoln station, KOLN/KGIN, says that Bo landed in
Lincoln and is at Memorial Stadium.  They said the news conference will be
streamed on their webchannel, www.kolnkgin.com

> Can anyone confirm that Bo and/or Gill are in town?  BTW, what time is NU
> Men's BB game time?
> [In light of my earlier post: this is NOT intended as a humorous message].
>
> Duane
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Poncahuskr@aol.com" <Poncahuskr@aol.com>
> To: Husker@tssi.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 1:54:02 PM
> Subject: [Husker] News Conference
>
> New coach to meet team at 230pm ct and NU has called for news conference
> at
> 4pm ct.
>
>
>
> Larry
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From steve.borer at connectseward.org  Sun Dec  2 14:34:21 2007
From: steve.borer at connectseward.org (Steve Borer)
Date: Sun Dec  2 14:23:18 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaches
Message-ID: <C37872ED.430%steve.borer@connectseward.org>

LJS reports that Ron Brown will be part of Pelini's staff.  They are also
reporting that Marvin Sanders is in town today.


-- 
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Seward High School
532 Northern Heights
Seward, NE  68434


From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  2 14:40:45 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  2 14:30:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
In-Reply-To: <744899.96826.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <744899.96826.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <oryjokidfqskcpptrupi.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
 
--- Source message ---
From: "Duane Feldman" <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>
Sent: 12/2/2007 13:21:26
Subject: Re: [Husker] SP and Buyout
 
 
 
>>Please lighten up, this is a message board, not death threats.  Most of my
>> posts are interjected with humor -- and some people even get it! (OK, maybe
>> not the last part [g]).
[g=grin or humor intended in previous paragraph]
 
Duane
[ALERT TO BOB AND OTHERS WITHOUT A SENSE OF HUMOR:     This is intended to be
a humorous post (as were my previous posts).  My apologies to all who fail to
see the intended humor.  No death threats are intended nor implied.  There is
no guarantee written or implied that the recipient will actually smile upon
reading my posts.  There is, however, an unwritten guarantee that the writer
will NOT do bodily harm to those referred to in the post (even Bob [g] NOTE:
This last paranthetical inclosure is another weak attempt at humor).<<
 
 
 
 
 
      You went to a lot of effort to make the point I have no sense of humor
      which, of course, you would have no way of knowing one way or another on
      that.  I guess this all begs the question how do you know my respones to
      posts about Pederson and how people make comments about him weren't
      kidding?  You aren't the only one that can put words on a page with the
      intent of kidding with no idication of that and be misunderstood.  That
      has always been a contention of mine that when one is talking about
      words being read there is no way to tell how those words are intended
      without some kind indication.  If you want to just put words in a post
      without emoticons or your "gs" and you are in fact attempting humor go
      ahead and feel free.  Just don't get condescending and act like people
      have no sense of humor or are ignorant of humor if you are
      misunderstood.  
 
 
Bob Beach
 
 
 
     
 
 
 
 
 
     

From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Sun Dec  2 16:00:36 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Sun Dec  2 15:49:30 2007
Subject: [Husker] SP and Buyout
Message-ID: <403558.735.qm@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Damn, Bob are you trying to prove my point?  Lighten up.
[g:  Attempt at humor]

Duane


----- Original Message ----
From: Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
To: Husker List <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 3:40:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] SP and Buyout

      You went to a lot of effort to make the point I have no sense of humor
      which, of course, you would have no way of knowing one way or another on
      that.  I guess this all begs the question how do you know my respones to
      posts about Pederson and how people make comments about him weren't
      kidding?  You aren't the only one that can put words on a page with the
      intent of kidding with no idication of that and be misunderstood.   That
      has always been a contention of mine that when one is talking about
      words being read there is no way to tell how those words are intended
      without some kind indication.  If you want to just put words in a post
      without emoticons or your "gs" and you are in fact attempting humor go
      ahead and feel free.  Just don't get condescending and act like people
      have no sense of humor or are ignorant of humor if you are
      misunderstood.  


Bob Beach



    





    

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From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Sun Dec  2 16:16:24 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Sun Dec  2 16:05:40 2007
Subject: [Husker] Successful Search
Message-ID: <p06210216c378d84979ce@[10.30.5.83]>

The speed, finess, and success with which Dr. Tom conducted the 
search for a new head coach, resulting today with the announcement of 
hiring Bo Peliini, contrasts markedly with those best-forgotten 
stumbling efforts of four years ago.

Such is the difference between real experts and wannabes.

Steve Stone

From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sun Dec  2 16:21:34 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sun Dec  2 16:08:30 2007
Subject: [Husker] Successful Search
In-Reply-To: <p06210216c378d84979ce@[10.30.5.83]>
References: <p06210216c378d84979ce@[10.30.5.83]>
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Well said Steve.

Tony Lambert

Steve Stone wrote:
> The speed, finess, and success with which Dr. Tom conducted the search 
> for a new head coach, resulting today with the announcement of hiring 
> Bo Peliini, contrasts markedly with those best-forgotten stumbling 
> efforts of four years ago.
>
> Such is the difference between real experts and wannabes.
>
> Steve Stone
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From kmckillip at houston.rr.com  Sun Dec  2 16:24:25 2007
From: kmckillip at houston.rr.com (Kenneth McKillip)
Date: Sun Dec  2 16:13:34 2007
Subject: [Husker] Successful Search
In-Reply-To: <p06210216c378d84979ce@[10.30.5.83]>
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That's what I'm talk'n about!  No substitute for knowing what you are doing.

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Subject: [Husker] Successful Search

The speed, finess, and success with which Dr. Tom conducted the 
search for a new head coach, resulting today with the announcement of 
hiring Bo Peliini, contrasts markedly with those best-forgotten 
stumbling efforts of four years ago.

Such is the difference between real experts and wannabes.

Steve Stone

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From pgaule at cox.net  Sun Dec  2 16:52:57 2007
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat Gaule)
Date: Sun Dec  2 16:39:26 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
Message-ID: <47533749.9010606@cox.net>

"I guess for the same reason there is all this talk about Pelini.  He is 
gone forever and will never be back and yet his name is continuously 
brought up here.  Pelini never had a red "N" on his helmet."

-Bob Beach (10/13/07)

On the other hand, I probably could have made a lot of money!


"But, in finality I would absolutely hate to see the day Bo Pelini is 
Head Coach at NU.  I don't care if he becomes Head Coach and wins 86 Big 
12 Championships and 60 National Titles.  He is not someone I want 
representing the Huskers.  If people want him for Head Coach it just 
proves it is "just win baby".  I cannot even believe someone is 
comparing Pelini to Devaney.  Unreal!  The infatuation with Bo Pelini 
has always amazed me."

-Bob on 10/15/07

Ouch...hopefully Bob can come around from that opinion.  I, for one, am 
proud to see Bo wearing red once again!

From gbrlist at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  2 16:54:09 2007
From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Sun Dec  2 16:43:25 2007
Subject: [Husker] first thoughts on Bo
Message-ID: <BLU117-W184159FA00A89B84BE0A0CBA730@phx.gbl>

This is going to be fun.  The guy looks, sounds, and acts like a football coach.  He is intense and probably a little volatile which is going to make for some great future pressers when he gets angry...and it's going to happen for sure.  But just from listening to him, you get the feeling that nobody is going to be standing around on defense with this guy watching them.  

Got Bo?  I'm N.

Dave

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From Impletec at aol.com  Sun Dec  2 17:01:27 2007
From: Impletec at aol.com (Impletec@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  2 16:54:22 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
Message-ID: <cfe.1ee04a9f.34849347@aol.com>

 
What's to be gained from calling people out in this way? It just doesn't  
feel right. Let's model the sportsmanship we aspire for our team...we are all  
entitled to our own opinion without having them stuffed down our throats...after 
 all there is no worse indigestion then that caused by having to eat your own 
 words without someone pointing it out...Go Bo Pelini, Go Huskers, GBR. Bob, 
Long  Island, New York
 
 
In a message dated 12/2/2007 5:51:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
pgaule@cox.net writes:

"I guess  for the same reason there is all this talk about Pelini.  He is 
gone  forever and will never be back and yet his name is continuously 
brought up  here.  Pelini never had a red "N" on his helmet."

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From theo at heise.nu  Sun Dec  2 17:13:03 2007
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Sun Dec  2 17:02:59 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712021808420.12007@linus.heise.nu>



I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly hoped 
it would be Turner Gill.  Any thoughts on why it wasn't Turner?

I'm guessing the job may have been Turner's if he wanted it, but he 
turned it down because he didn't believe it would be right to leave 
Buffalo yet.

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From pgaule at cox.net  Sun Dec  2 17:16:57 2007
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat Gaule)
Date: Sun Dec  2 17:03:25 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
In-Reply-To: <cfe.1ee04a9f.34849347@aol.com>
References: <cfe.1ee04a9f.34849347@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47533CE9.4020205@cox.net>

You're probably right.  I'm sure that Bob wasn't the only person who 
felt Bo was never coming back, and I'm sure that people could find 
plenty of things I posted to the list over the years that didn't quite 
pan out.  Back in 1999, I believe I predicted that Nebraska would win 1 
or 2 more national titles over the next 5 years.  That didn't exactly 
pan out...

I guess "never" and "always" are very strong words that should be used 
with caution!

How many days until the spring game?

Impletec@aol.com wrote:
>  
> What's to be gained from calling people out in this way? It just doesn't  
> feel right. Let's model the sportsmanship we aspire for our team...we are all  
> entitled to our own opinion without having them stuffed down our throats...after 
>  all there is no worse indigestion then that caused by having to eat your own 
>  words without someone pointing it out...Go Bo Pelini, Go Huskers, GBR. Bob, 
> Long  Island, New York
>  
>  
> In a message dated 12/2/2007 5:51:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> pgaule@cox.net writes:
> 
> "I guess  for the same reason there is all this talk about Pelini.  He is 
> gone  forever and will never be back and yet his name is continuously 
> brought up  here.  Pelini never had a red "N" on his helmet."
> 
> -Bob Beach  (10/13/07)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ddraney at alltel.net  Sun Dec  2 17:17:06 2007
From: ddraney at alltel.net (Dan Draney)
Date: Sun Dec  2 17:06:15 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pellini Uses "S-Word" at Press Conference
Message-ID: <C3789912.4AA9%ddraney@alltel.net>

That would be "Solich." The former head coach's name came up twice in the
press conference. The first time was in a response to a question that led
naturally to it (something like: What other coaches you worked with have
influenced you?). The second time Bo himself brought up the respect and
gratitude he feels towards Frank.

Welcome back to the family, Bo.


From gbrlist at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  2 17:25:07 2007
From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Sun Dec  2 17:14:23 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712021808420.12007@linus.heise.nu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712021808420.12007@linus.heise.nu>
Message-ID: <BLU117-W2337E2F8761D56C25B236FBA730@phx.gbl>


> I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly hoped 
> it would be Turner Gill.  Any thoughts on why it wasn't Turner?
> 
> I'm guessing the job may have been Turner's if he wanted it, but he 
> turned it down because he didn't believe it would be right to leave 
> Buffalo yet.
> 
> Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

I thought it would be Turner and I posted all the reasons I thought so last week.  Turner and Tom are very close, and I think Tom would have loved to have given the job to Turner.  There were many reasons why he would have been a very good hire and it would have been easy for Tom to have hired him.  I think it came down to Tom choosing the person that he thought would be the best person for Nebraska at this time and put his own feelings aside.  He wanted to hire Turner, and he didn't, and that once again speaks a lot about the kind of person he is.

Dave


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From ddraney at alltel.net  Sun Dec  2 17:25:43 2007
From: ddraney at alltel.net (Dan Draney)
Date: Sun Dec  2 17:14:48 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
Message-ID: <C3789B17.4AAB%ddraney@alltel.net>

Ted,
I feel exactly the same. I believe the opening remarks Tom Osborne made in
the press conference are the answer. He said that looking at where the team
is now, a strong emphasis/expertise on defense was a factor he weighed in
his decision. Turner is obviously an offensive guy first, and that was
probably the key edge for Pellini.

It's also possible that the strong relationship between Tom and Turner might
have hurt as much as helped his candidacy, but I'm just speculating.

Dan

> I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly hoped
> it would be Turner Gill.  Any thoughts on why it wasn't Turner?
> 
> I'm guessing the job may have been Turner's if he wanted it, but he
> turned it down because he didn't believe it would be right to leave
> Buffalo yet.
> 
> -- 
> Theodore (Ted) Heise


From steve.borer at connectseward.org  Sun Dec  2 17:40:25 2007
From: steve.borer at connectseward.org (Steve Borer)
Date: Sun Dec  2 17:29:24 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712021808420.12007@linus.heise.nu>
Message-ID: <C3789E89.441%steve.borer@connectseward.org>

I think TO may have answered that with his comment about wanting someone
with an emphasis on defense.  I would have loved to seen Turner as the Head
Coach, but maybe TO felt the obvious need for defensive help just did not
match up well with Turner!


-- 
Steve J. Borer
9-12 Asst. Prin/AD
Seward High School
532 Northern Heights
Seward, NE  68434



On 12/2/07 5:13 PM, "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote:

> 
> 
> I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly hoped
> it would be Turner Gill.  Any thoughts on why it wasn't Turner?
> 
> I'm guessing the job may have been Turner's if he wanted it, but he
> turned it down because he didn't believe it would be right to leave
> Buffalo yet.

From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 18:12:20 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Sun Dec  2 18:01:15 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
In-Reply-To: <C3789E89.441%steve.borer@connectseward.org>
Message-ID: <778240.2300.qm@web55211.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I didn't get to see the press conference (yes I will find a internet site to watch it) but was wondering if Bo had mentioned any possible coaches he is trying to get? 




Steve Borer <steve.borer@connectseward.org> wrote: I think TO may have answered that with his comment about wanting someone
with an emphasis on defense.  I would have loved to seen Turner as the Head
Coach, but maybe TO felt the obvious need for defensive help just did not
match up well with Turner!


-- 
Steve J. Borer
9-12 Asst. Prin/AD
Seward High School
532 Northern Heights
Seward, NE  68434



On 12/2/07 5:13 PM, "Theodore Heise"  wrote:

> 
> 
> I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly hoped
> it would be Turner Gill.  Any thoughts on why it wasn't Turner?
> 
> I'm guessing the job may have been Turner's if he wanted it, but he
> turned it down because he didn't believe it would be right to leave
> Buffalo yet.

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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 18:21:36 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sun Dec  2 18:10:30 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712021808420.12007@linus.heise.nu>
Message-ID: <312470.65402.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I don't think Turner was offered the job.  He was offered the job, he would have taken it.  If Turner thinks Buffalo is a long term deal, I wouldn't want him to coach here. 

Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> wrote:  

I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly hoped 
it would be Turner Gill. Any thoughts on why it wasn't Turner?

I'm guessing the job may have been Turner's if he wanted it, but he 
turned it down because he didn't believe it would be right to leave 
Buffalo yet.

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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 18:22:56 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sun Dec  2 18:11:52 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
In-Reply-To: <cfe.1ee04a9f.34849347@aol.com>
Message-ID: <866191.51203.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

It's kind of fun.

Impletec@aol.com wrote:  
What's to be gained from calling people out in this way? 


In a message dated 12/2/2007 5:51:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
pgaule@cox.net writes:

"I guess for the same reason there is all this talk about Pelini. He is 
gone forever and will never be back and yet his name is continuously 
brought up here. Pelini never had a red "N" on his helmet."

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From pgaule at cox.net  Sun Dec  2 18:49:42 2007
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat Gaule)
Date: Sun Dec  2 18:36:12 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
Message-ID: <475352A6.7020203@cox.net>

http://www.lincolnjournalstar.com/articles/2007/12/02/huskerextra/football/doc47534ac96b021803337476.txt

This seems rather odd to me...I'm not sure how I feel about it.

From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Sun Dec  2 18:57:40 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Sun Dec  2 18:46:35 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
Message-ID: <33008972.1196643460653.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I guess it is ok since we aren't playing them. Otherwise he would get pretty tired running back and forth across the field.

I thought from the press conference that this wasn't the case.

Mike

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>
>http://www.lincolnjournalstar.com/articles/2007/12/02/huskerextra/football/doc47534ac96b021803337476.txt
>
>This seems rather odd to me...I'm not sure how I feel about it.
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From pgaule at cox.net  Sun Dec  2 19:03:35 2007
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat Gaule)
Date: Sun Dec  2 18:50:03 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
In-Reply-To: <33008972.1196643460653.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <33008972.1196643460653.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <475355E7.1050009@cox.net>

Mike and Kel wrote:
> I guess it is ok since we aren't playing them. Otherwise he would get pretty tired running back and forth across the field.
> 
> I thought from the press conference that this wasn't the case.
> 

That was the impression I got, which is why this article comes as such a 
surprise to me.

From rchriste at threeriver.net  Sun Dec  2 19:02:42 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Sun Dec  2 18:52:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712021808420.12007@linus.heise.nu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712021808420.12007@linus.heise.nu>
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I suspect that Bo was the first choice all along.  I don't want to 
speculate on why Dr. Tom didn't offer to Turner, but I think his 
statement was that he felt the need for a defensive head coach.  If 
anyone saw the Defensive Line evaluation by Jason Peter on www.ketv.com 
video website, its pretty obvious that there was a huge lack of 
fundamental coaching on the defensive side of the ball.  I dare say this 
will NOT be the case with a Pelini coached team.

Bob

Theodore Heise wrote:
>
>
> I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly hoped 
> it would be Turner Gill.  Any thoughts on why it wasn't Turner?
>
> I'm guessing the job may have been Turner's if he wanted it, but he 
> turned it down because he didn't believe it would be right to leave 
> Buffalo yet.
>


From dkarre at comcast.net  Sun Dec  2 19:22:22 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sun Dec  2 19:11:34 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
In-Reply-To: <778240.2300.qm@web55211.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <778240.2300.qm@web55211.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47535A4E.6050309@comcast.net>

j j wrote:
> I didn't get to see the press conference (yes I will find a internet site to watch it) but was wondering if Bo had mentioned any possible coaches he is trying to get? 

No. He was asked, but declined to offer up any names.
-- 
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Sun Dec  2 19:36:02 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sun Dec  2 19:25:07 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
In-Reply-To: <475352A6.7020203@cox.net>
References: <475352A6.7020203@cox.net>
Message-ID: <47535D82.8030606@comcast.net>

Pat Gaule wrote:
  > This seems rather odd to me...I'm not sure how I feel about it.

The LJS article notes that December 17 to January 1 is a recruiting 
"dead" period, but the Championship game isn't until January 7th, which 
means he would lose a week of recruiting. Assuming he has his assistants 
in place, maybe that isn't so bad. Nonetheless, if I'm TO, I think I 
tell him no: there's just too much to do. And would Miles even want him, 
given that his attention would necessarily be divided?

-- 
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From huskertt at charter.net  Sun Dec  2 19:37:56 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Sun Dec  2 19:31:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
References: <475352A6.7020203@cox.net>
Message-ID: <044601c8354d$2386a640$6901a8c0@Husker>

I think it shows a lot of class.  In the article, he mentions that he is 
working for Nebraska starting right now.  He also states that there is a 
dead period from the 17 of December to the 1st of January, where he can't 
recruit anyway.  Finally, he states that no matter what, he will be sure to 
get Tom Osborne's blessing before doing a thing.

To be honest, I was not in favor of hiring Bo Pelini.  I thought his hostile 
nature would probably get the better of him over the course of a 
season...especially if the program doesn't make an immediate turn around. 
Now, however, I'm beginning to like the idea of him as the new coach.  I 
really liked the way his players responded to him after the SEC championship 
game.

Tommy Thompson
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> http://www.lincolnjournalstar.com/articles/2007/12/02/huskerextra/football/doc47534ac96b021803337476.txt
>
> This seems rather odd to me...I'm not sure how I feel about it.
>
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From pgaule at cox.net  Sun Dec  2 19:52:54 2007
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat Gaule)
Date: Sun Dec  2 19:39:25 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
In-Reply-To: <47535D82.8030606@comcast.net>
References: <475352A6.7020203@cox.net> <47535D82.8030606@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <47536176.1020900@cox.net>

Dick Karre wrote:
> Pat Gaule wrote:
>  > This seems rather odd to me...I'm not sure how I feel about it.
> 
> The LJS article notes that December 17 to January 1 is a recruiting 
> "dead" period, but the Championship game isn't until January 7th, which 
> means he would lose a week of recruiting. Assuming he has his assistants 
> in place, maybe that isn't so bad. Nonetheless, if I'm TO, I think I 
> tell him no: there's just too much to do. And would Miles even want him, 
> given that his attention would necessarily be divided?

On top of that, there's a full 2 weeks before December 17th rolls 
around.  It isn't as if LSU won't start preparing for the game before then.

From dkarre at comcast.net  Sun Dec  2 19:57:52 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sun Dec  2 19:46:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
Message-ID: <475362A0.1040502@comcast.net>

The LJS, citing "sources", says Ron Brown and Marvin Sanders will be on 
Bo's staff, and that Carl Pelini, Barney Cotton and Shawn Watson are all 
"likely" to be there as well.
http://journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/02/huskerextra/football/doc475300d669a52692952850.txt
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From jocar26 at cox.net  Sun Dec  2 20:03:41 2007
From: jocar26 at cox.net (C Jolly)
Date: Sun Dec  2 19:53:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
In-Reply-To: <475352A6.7020203@cox.net>
References: <475352A6.7020203@cox.net>
Message-ID: <475363FD.4020805@cox.net>

Pat Gaule wrote:
> http://www.lincolnjournalstar.com/articles/2007/12/02/huskerextra/football/doc47534ac96b021803337476.txt 
>
>
> This seems rather odd to me...I'm not sure how I feel about it.
>
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I say go for it.  The game will be at a point in the season where there 
wouldn't much for him to do here and I don't think
that it would be a test of loyalties.  If the situation were reversed, I 
would hope he would come back to coach the final game
here.


From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  2 20:17:59 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  2 20:07:55 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
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--- Source message ---
From: "David Strong" <gbrlist@hotmail.com>
Sent: 12/2/2007 17:33:09
Subject: RE: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
 
 
 
>>I thought it would be Turner and I posted all the reasons I thought so last
>> week.  Turner and Tom are very close, and I think Tom would have loved to
>> have given the job to Turner.  There were many reasons why he would have
>> been a very good hire and it would have been easy for Tom to have hired
>> him.  I think it came down to Tom choosing the person that he thought would
>> be the best person for Nebraska at this time and put his own feelings
>> aside.  He wanted to hire Turner, and he didn't, and that once again speaks
>> a lot about the kind of person he is.
 
Dave<<
 
 
 
 
 
     TO also recommended Steve Pederson.
 
 
Bob Beach

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  2 20:20:07 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  2 20:10:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
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--- Source message ---
From: "Sue Smith" <huskerdana@yahoo.com>
Sent: 12/2/2007 18:27:47
Subject: Re: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
 
It's kind of fun.
 
Impletec@aol.com wrote:  
What's to be gained from calling people out in this way? 
 
 
 
 
 
     Knowing the way you post that is not surprising in the least.
 
 
Bob Beach

From pgaule at cox.net  Sun Dec  2 20:30:36 2007
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat Gaule)
Date: Sun Dec  2 20:17:06 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
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Baseballguy wrote:
>
>      TO also recommended Steve Pederson.

It's impossible to hold that against him.  At the time Pederson was 
hired, *everyone* thought it was a great hire.  I don't think anyone in 
the country could have predicted that he would soon be voted "enemy of 
the state."  He didn't reveal his dark side until he fired Solich. 
After that, he didn't seem to do anything right.

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  2 20:34:41 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  2 20:24:35 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
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--- Source message ---
From: "Pat Gaule" <pgaule@cox.net>
Sent: 12/2/2007 16:53:00
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
 
 
Bob on 10/15/07
 
Ouch...hopefully Bob can come around from that opinion.  I, for one, am 
proud to see Bo wearing red once again!
 
 
 
 
 
 
     Ya know Pat if you think it is great to nail me to the wall then do it. 
     I assume you feel you can never be wrong.  You had to go way back in the
     archives to get that one.  I said that when Pederson was AD with no way
     of knowing what was going to happen.  At that time I didn't think Pelini
     himself would want anything to do with NU.  Once TO was named AD of
     course everything changed.  I don't like the hire of Pelini at all.  But,
     TO should know what he is doing even though TO recommended Steve
     Pedersdon which is the major reason Pederson was AD in the first place. 
     I watched the press conference but one thing Bo didn't address.  That was
     if he doesn't have a big time winning record in 3-4 years his butt will
     be run out of town just like Callahan's was.  Welcome to Nebraska Bo.  
 
 
Bob Beach

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  2 20:41:54 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  2 20:31:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
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--- Source message ---
From: "Pat Gaule" <pgaule@cox.net>
Sent: 12/2/2007 20:31:02
Subject: Re: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
 
Baseballguy wrote:
>
>      TO also recommended Steve Pederson.
 
It's impossible to hold that against him.  At the time Pederson was 
hired, *everyone* thought it was a great hire.  I don't think anyone in 
the country could have predicted that he would soon be voted "enemy of 
the state."  He didn't reveal his dark side until he fired Solich. 
After that, he didn't seem to do anything right.
 
 
 
 
 
     Really??!!  So why does anyone believe Dr. Tom always makes the perfect
     hire then?  How does Dr. Tom know what Pelini will be like 2-3 years down
     the road?  Look, I am a huge TO fan.  I respect and admire him.  But, the
     man is not God Almighty.  He is human and has faults and frailties like
     anyone else.  He is indeed capable of error as is shown with Steve
     Pederson.  I am just saying because TO hired someone does not mean it is
     the all in all.
 
 
Bob Beach

From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 20:56:10 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Sun Dec  2 20:45:04 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
In-Reply-To: <fvxusyxqeomlmqiqijhb.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <341308.19416.qm@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Bob, I agree with you concerning your post.  A couple of really bad decisions that TO has made: 

TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he should have settled for the tie and the National Championship. 

TO also insisted on Solich, we could have Bobby Stoops.

His campaign for governor was awful.

I am excited about the new coach; however, I am very hopeful that TO's pick of Bo is not another mistake. 



Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com> wrote:  
 
--- Source message ---
From: "Pat Gaule" 

Sent: 12/2/2007 20:31:02
Subject: Re: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
 
Baseballguy wrote:
>
>      TO also recommended Steve Pederson.
 
It's impossible to hold that against him.  At the time Pederson was 
hired, *everyone* thought it was a great hire.  I don't think anyone in 
the country could have predicted that he would soon be voted "enemy of 
the state."  He didn't reveal his dark side until he fired Solich. 
After that, he didn't seem to do anything right.
 
 
 
 
 
     Really??!!  So why does anyone believe Dr. Tom always makes the perfect
     hire then?  How does Dr. Tom know what Pelini will be like 2-3 years down
     the road?  Look, I am a huge TO fan.  I respect and admire him.  But, the
     man is not God Almighty.  He is human and has faults and frailties like
     anyone else.  He is indeed capable of error as is shown with Steve
     Pederson.  I am just saying because TO hired someone does not mean it is
     the all in all.
 
 
Bob Beach

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From weldoc at juno.com  Sun Dec  2 19:48:33 2007
From: weldoc at juno.com (weldoc@juno.com)
Date: Sun Dec  2 21:03:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] NU needs Pelini
Message-ID: <20071202.211022.-1777247.3.weldoc@juno.com>

>From my son Charlie..

Bill Laughlin
Wichita, KS
___________________

I don’t know about you but my gut hopes he hires Bo Pelini. Gill’s
talents are there, no question. But I just feel somehow that the Nebraska
program (and the state) needs Pelini, the fiery general. After all, we’ve
already had one before. He was that coach from 1962-1973, won a couple
national titles, established success in the Husker tradition. Johnny
Rodgers played for him. You know, that one coach. (Ha, Ha).

Anyway, some people wonder if Pelini would be able to handle the “CEO”
side of head coaching. Some worry that Pelini has never been a head coach
at any level before. Well, I believe Bob Stoops never was a head coach at
a Division I program before he went to Oklahoma and he hasn’t been too
shabby. Osborne himself was an assistant under that one coach – the
legendary Bob Devaney – before he took on his first head coaching
position.

Plus, here’s another thing to think about. The football program is down.
It needs a boost – an injection of fiery, passionate,
kick-butt-because-I-love-you leadership. No disrespect to the Husker
tradition/fan support of the 20’s through the 60’s, but when was the last
time Nebraska was struggling to have an identity, that competitive edge.
Try 1961. Who came in to replace Bill Jennings. Oh yeah, that one coach.
That fiery general. The one who handpicked Osborne...Devaney. 

The program needs that toughness again, that fire inside. The program
needs Pelini. The best part about all of this: We all know for a fact he
can deliver. Too bad it was just for one year (2003).

Suddenly, it could be more.

Charlie Laughlin
Ft. Worth, TX

 

From weldoc at juno.com  Sun Dec  2 20:56:48 2007
From: weldoc at juno.com (weldoc@juno.com)
Date: Sun Dec  2 21:10:10 2007
Subject: [Husker] Thanks, Bob
Message-ID: <20071202.211022.-1777247.8.weldoc@juno.com>

I thought with Kelsay being a former Husker his opionion might be found
to be interesting.  Apparently I was wrong. --Bob Beach
_________

I appreciate your posting it. It WAS intersting to me...to see a former
player's thoughts, especially now that he's had a chance to coach
alongside TG. [ Maybe CK wants Gill out so HE can have the HC job at
Buffalo :-)  ]

I understood your "vote" reference as a figure of speech.  :-)

Bill Laughlin
Wichita, KS

From weldoc at juno.com  Sun Dec  2 21:29:48 2007
From: weldoc at juno.com (weldoc@juno.com)
Date: Sun Dec  2 21:41:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] LSU fans' comments
Message-ID: <20071202.215053.-1777247.12.weldoc@juno.com>

<LSU fans have varying opinions about Pelini... http://tinyurl.com/2aqopu
 --Bob Beach>
_________

Well, Bob, this was sure great to hear !!!!

"And Chris Carvin, a 32-year-old LSU fan from Atlanta, said he’s most
impressed with Pelini’s halftime performances: 'They’d sometimes be a
little loose in the first half, then we’d tighten things up in the second
half,' Carvin said. 'His ability to make adjustments, that’s key.' "

Something that's been a LONG time coming. (Coz: "Halftime adjustments ??
We don't need any stinking halftime adjustments.")

Bill Laughlin
Wichita, KS

From j.harmon at tcu.edu  Sun Dec  2 23:03:43 2007
From: j.harmon at tcu.edu (Harmon, Josh)
Date: Sun Dec  2 22:53:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
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That is so annoying.  From the perspective that this could have been this way 4 years ago.  But I'm letting it all go. :)

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The LJS, citing "sources", says Ron Brown and Marvin Sanders will be on
Bo's staff, and that Carl Pelini, Barney Cotton and Shawn Watson are all
"likely" to be there as well.
http://journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/02/huskerextra/football/doc475300d669a52692952850.txt
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From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Sun Dec  2 23:31:26 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Sun Dec  2 23:20:19 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
Message-ID: <578384.37616.qm@web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Please, pick a standard.  Say what you will, would a .750 winning percentage be good enough (as good as Bear Bryant over his career and as good as TO for his first six years)?  That was Frankie's record when he was fired (even after the disaterous 7-7 season).

HUMOR ALERT:  Who would have guessed that 7-7 would look good at this point?
[g=humor attempted here]

Duane


----- Original Message ----
From: Sue Smith <huskerdana@yahoo.com>
To: Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>; Husker List <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 9:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?

Bob, I agree with you concerning your post.  A couple of really bad decisions that TO has made: 

TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he should have settled for the tie and the National Championship. 

TO also insisted on Solich, we could have Bobby Stoops.

His campaign for governor was awful.

I am excited about the new coach; however, I am very hopeful that TO's pick of Bo is not another mistake.
From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Mon Dec  3 00:17:34 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Mon Dec  3 00:06:49 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
In-Reply-To: <578384.37616.qm@web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <578384.37616.qm@web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>Please, pick a standard.  Say what you will, would a .750 winning 
>percentage be good enough (as good as Bear Bryant over his career 
>and as good as TO for his first six years)?  That was Frankie's 
>record when he was fired (even after the disaterous 7-7 season).
>HUMOR ALERT:  Who would have guessed that 7-7 would look good at this point?
>[g=humor attempted here]
>Duane


A minor point but Solich was fired after a 9-and-3 regular season, 
10-3 after the Pellini-led Alamo Bowl. The 7-7 season happened the 
previous year

Steve Stone

From mcgee4646 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec  3 06:12:55 2007
From: mcgee4646 at sbcglobal.net (DAVID L MCGEE)
Date: Mon Dec  3 06:01:48 2007
Subject: [Husker] Fwd: Vote for Anne Marie-FINAL Round
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Subject: Vote for Anne Marie-FINAL Round

    
  Debby and I would like to ask all of you to show your Husker spirit and vote for our daughter Anne Marie in the final round of the Athlon College Football Sideline Spirit Contest!. Voting for the final round will begin on Saturday, December 1st at 12:00am and will run through 11:59pm on Friday, December 21st. No registration is necessary to vote and there is NO LIMIT to the number of times a person can vote each day. 
Click on the following link to vote:

http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/8054/sideline-spirit?action=gallery&participant=59

Please send this e-mail to all your Husker friends and family. Also if you have access to a website can you please post a link? THANKS and GO BIG RED!!
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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 06:56:07 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Mon Dec  3 06:45:00 2007
Subject: [Husker] Fwd: Vote for Anne Marie-FINAL Round
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Unfortunately she is currently in second place. About 41,000 to about 19,500. Everyone needs to go vote for this young lady. The leader is from the Big East conference for gosh sakes, we cant lose to the Big East. NOW GO VOTE.




DAVID L MCGEE <mcgee4646@sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
Subject: Vote for Anne Marie-FINAL Round

    
  Debby and I would like to ask all of you to show your Husker spirit and vote for our daughter Anne Marie in the final round of the Athlon College Football Sideline Spirit Contest!. Voting for the final round will begin on Saturday, December 1st at 12:00am and will run through 11:59pm on Friday, December 21st. No registration is necessary to vote and there is NO LIMIT to the number of times a person can vote each day. 
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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 06:59:00 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Mon Dec  3 06:47:52 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
In-Reply-To: <CE1DD769FF81C643AC7FBE5262A9DDFC01F66D4C@FSMAILLK2A.tcu.edu>
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There is one name there that I do not want to see as a Nebraska assistant again. That is Shawn Watson. I do not understand everyones obsession with this man. Let him go coach somewhere else. What has he done at NU to make so many like him or think he can coach? 





"Harmon, Josh" <j.harmon@tcu.edu> wrote: That is so annoying.  From the perspective that this could have been this way 4 years ago.  But I'm letting it all go. :)

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Sent: Sun 12/2/2007 7:57 PM
To: Huskers List
Subject: [Husker] Assistants



The LJS, citing "sources", says Ron Brown and Marvin Sanders will be on
Bo's staff, and that Carl Pelini, Barney Cotton and Shawn Watson are all
"likely" to be there as well.
http://journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/02/huskerextra/football/doc475300d669a52692952850.txt
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From gbrlist at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  3 07:17:32 2007
From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Mon Dec  3 07:06:44 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
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> 
> There is one name there that I do not want to see as a Nebraska assistant again. That is Shawn Watson. I do not understand everyones obsession with this man. Let him go coach somewhere else. What has he done at NU to make so many like him or think he can coach? 
> 
> 

I agree with you that I really don't know why people keep talking up Shawn Watson.  But he has a good resume and seems to be a good guy, though I think in his year as OC at Nebraska he didn't have much clout.  Unfortunately, he has been closely associated with two of my all-time least favorite college coaches - Bill Callahan and Gary Barnett.  I hope he can get their stink off of him.

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From drr at livgenmi.com  Mon Dec  3 07:25:02 2007
From: drr at livgenmi.com (Don Rietsch)
Date: Mon Dec  3 07:14:03 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
In-Reply-To: <keanebkpggoihhoqmava.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20071203132511.7EF761C1F7@gw.tssi.com>

I listened to the press conference and the interview with Pelini after.
They asked him if he wanted to come back and if he thought that he might be
back at NU.  He replied that he always looks forward and didn't think about
wanting to come back and then said he never figured he would be back at NU.
So Pelini and Bob were of the same opinion that Pelini was history and would
never coach at NU.

I'm disappointed with the hire.  I have nothing against Pelini and hope he
is the savior everyone in the state is hoping for.  My disappointment is it
seems to me that TO came into the AD office, sat down, and asked his new
secretary: "What's the news out there on the street?  Go to husker@tssi.com
and read all the posts since the news came out about the pending firing of
BC.  Give me the names of the coaches the list members want or think would
be good."  She came back with:  "Dr. Tom, the list says Pelini, Gill, Grobe,
and Brian Kelly, with Pelini the favorite and Gill close behind."  So Dr.
Tom went out and interviewed Pelini, Gill, Grobe and (rumored) Kelly.  He
chose Pelini.  H_ll, this list could have done this job w/o interviewing a
single candidate.  

I was hoping the clever and cunning Dr. Tom would beat the bushes in college
football and come up with a hire that would surprise and absolutely knock my
socks off.  A guy or gal (wouldn't that have been a bold move) that has been
operating under the radar, a diamond in the rough like many of the players
TO recruited, with an incredible record in HS and college football and Dr.
Tom was a genius for uncovering him/her. 

With the above opinion and $5.00 you can get a coffee at Starbucks.

Don

 
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--- Source message ---
From: "Pat Gaule" <pgaule@cox.net>
Sent: 12/2/2007 16:53:00
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
 
 
Bob on 10/15/07
 
Ouch...hopefully Bob can come around from that opinion.  I, for one, am 
proud to see Bo wearing red once again!
 
 
 
 
 
 
     Ya know Pat if you think it is great to nail me to the wall then do it.

     I assume you feel you can never be wrong.  You had to go way back in
the
     archives to get that one.  I said that when Pederson was AD with no way
     of knowing what was going to happen.  At that time I didn't think
Pelini
     himself would want anything to do with NU.  Once TO was named AD of
     course everything changed.  I don't like the hire of Pelini at all.
But,
     TO should know what he is doing even though TO recommended Steve
     Pedersdon which is the major reason Pederson was AD in the first place.

     I watched the press conference but one thing Bo didn't address.  That
was
     if he doesn't have a big time winning record in 3-4 years his butt will
     be run out of town just like Callahan's was.  Welcome to Nebraska Bo.  
 
 
Bob Beach

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From reich at inetnebr.com  Mon Dec  3 07:23:16 2007
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Mon Dec  3 07:15:52 2007
Subject: [Husker] NCAA Women's Volleyball Tournament
Message-ID: <200712031323.HAA02253@stork.inebraska.com>

I didn't see it mentioned here, but Iowa State (17-13) bounced the
highest seeded opponent NU might have faced in the regional, sweeping
7th seeded Wisconsin (25-4) in Madison.  NU plays unseeded Michigan
State (19-13), which swept 15th seeded Dayton (32-1).  If NU wins,
they face the winner of the Iowa State versus Cal game for a spot in
the final four.  Cal (22-7) is the #10 seed.

From george.rapp at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 07:38:43 2007
From: george.rapp at gmail.com (George Rapp)
Date: Mon Dec  3 07:27:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
In-Reply-To: <122198.79201.qm@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <CE1DD769FF81C643AC7FBE5262A9DDFC01F66D4C@FSMAILLK2A.tcu.edu>
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On Dec 3, 2007 7:59 AM, j j <jjj112665@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There is one name there that I do not want to see as a Nebraska assistant
> again. That is Shawn Watson. I do not understand everyones obsession with
> this man. Let him go coach somewhere else. What has he done at NU to make so
> many like him or think he can coach?
>

He contributed to a steady rise in the offensive production, for one
example.  From http://d1afootball.com/stat.php, under Total Offense, here is
where the 'Huskers ranked:

2003: 83rd (OC: Norvell)
2004: 69th (OC: Norvell)
2005: 96th (OC: Norvell)
2006: 14th (OC: Norvell)
2007: 11th (OC: Watson)

Of course, this isn't the statistic that matters -- only the points on the
board at the end of the game do -- but it is clearly indicative of an
improving trend.  The 2003-05 examples also show the effect of sacking the
entire offensive staff.  There is no continuity; players must learn a new
offense from scratch; and production suffers.

OTOH, by keeping Watson as OC, there is at least some continuity and
stability for the returning players, and Bo has the chance to keep the
offensive production trend going positive, while he concentrates on fixing
the defense (which I think we'll all admit was our glaring problem in 2007).

George
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From george.rapp at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 07:41:26 2007
From: george.rapp at gmail.com (George Rapp)
Date: Mon Dec  3 07:30:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
In-Reply-To: <20071203132511.7EF761C1F7@gw.tssi.com>
References: <keanebkpggoihhoqmava.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
	<20071203132511.7EF761C1F7@gw.tssi.com>
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Don, if Tom consulted any Internet mailing list or message board as part of
the hiring process, I'd say can him immediately, for lack of proper judgment
.. 8^)

On Dec 3, 2007 8:25 AM, Don Rietsch <drr@livgenmi.com> wrote:

> I listened to the press conference and the interview with Pelini after.
> They asked him if he wanted to come back and if he thought that he might
> be
> back at NU.  He replied that he always looks forward and didn't think
> about
> wanting to come back and then said he never figured he would be back at
> NU.
> So Pelini and Bob were of the same opinion that Pelini was history and
> would
> never coach at NU.
>
> I'm disappointed with the hire.  I have nothing against Pelini and hope he
> is the savior everyone in the state is hoping for.  My disappointment is
> it
> seems to me that TO came into the AD office, sat down, and asked his new
> secretary: "What's the news out there on the street?  Go to
> husker@tssi.com
> and read all the posts since the news came out about the pending firing of
> BC.  Give me the names of the coaches the list members want or think would
> be good."  She came back with:  "Dr. Tom, the list says Pelini, Gill,
> Grobe,
> and Brian Kelly, with Pelini the favorite and Gill close behind."  So Dr.
> Tom went out and interviewed Pelini, Gill, Grobe and (rumored) Kelly.  He
> chose Pelini.  H_ll, this list could have done this job w/o interviewing a
> single candidate.
>
> I was hoping the clever and cunning Dr. Tom would beat the bushes in
> college
> football and come up with a hire that would surprise and absolutely knock
> my
> socks off.  A guy or gal (wouldn't that have been a bold move) that has
> been
> operating under the radar, a diamond in the rough like many of the players
> TO recruited, with an incredible record in HS and college football and Dr.
> Tom was a genius for uncovering him/her.
>
> With the above opinion and $5.00 you can get a coffee at Starbucks.
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Baseballguy
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 9:35 PM
> To: Husker List
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
>
>
>
> --- Source message ---
> From: "Pat Gaule" <pgaule@cox.net>
> Sent: 12/2/2007 16:53:00
> Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
>
>
> Bob on 10/15/07
>
> Ouch...hopefully Bob can come around from that opinion.  I, for one, am
> proud to see Bo wearing red once again!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     Ya know Pat if you think it is great to nail me to the wall then do
> it.
>
>     I assume you feel you can never be wrong.  You had to go way back in
> the
>     archives to get that one.  I said that when Pederson was AD with no
> way
>     of knowing what was going to happen.  At that time I didn't think
> Pelini
>     himself would want anything to do with NU.  Once TO was named AD of
>     course everything changed.  I don't like the hire of Pelini at all.
> But,
>     TO should know what he is doing even though TO recommended Steve
>     Pedersdon which is the major reason Pederson was AD in the first
> place.
>
>     I watched the press conference but one thing Bo didn't address.  That
> was
>     if he doesn't have a big time winning record in 3-4 years his butt
> will
>     be run out of town just like Callahan's was.  Welcome to Nebraska Bo.
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
> _______________________________________________
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> husker@tssi.com
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>
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    finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.  - Marcus Aurelius
From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Mon Dec  3 08:27:15 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Mon Dec  3 08:16:06 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
Message-ID: <84593.75640.qm@web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think that is exactly the consensus reason for keeping Watson.  A:  He provides continuity in a system that was very successful in recent years, and B: Watson allows Bo to focus on defense.  The concern is obvious:  Can Watson do as good a job as Callahan at running the offense or at least provide enough O that when combined with a top 20 D can win 9 or more games?  A side benefit is that we are paying Watson anyway so it will help budgetwise.  To clarify:  You do not keep Watson because of the budget advantages, but it is a side benefit.
[ng - no humor intended].

Tough games next season: VT and Missouri are at home early with TT and OU away mid season.  At this point, all other games appear winnable (perceptions will change by September and again by November).  OU looks like NC contenders with all the youth on this years team.  9 wins should be the over/under (including a bowl game) if we can maintain #20 O and #20 D. [ng]

It is really too bad that we couldn't have gotten into a bowl game so that Bo could start working with the players right away.  In any case, look for a stronger team since they will spend more time in the weight room.  Maybe that is what the lines need anyway. [ng]

Duane




----- Original Message ----
From: George Rapp george.rapp@gmail.com

OTOH, by keeping Watson as OC, there is at least some continuity and
stability for the returning players, and Bo has the chance to keep the
offensive production trend going positive, while he concentrates on fixing
the defense (which I think we'll all admit was our glaring problem in 2007).
From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 08:44:58 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Mon Dec  3 08:34:18 2007
Subject: [Husker] testing
In-Reply-To: <841904.46489.qm@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <107381.1518.qm@web38111.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don't worry... I won't go BB on you...otherwise I'd
have to add myself to my mail filter!!!

Heh... I guess I was in Dennis Miller mode on
Saturday.  Not sure where the spelling comes from;
I've always thought it was someone having a bad day at
Ellis Island and decided it to change it for us. :-)

--- Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net> wrote:


> PS:  Mike Jaixen gets special accollades for
> transforming a standard query into a humorous
> thread.  
> Off Subject:  Mike, which of your ancestors couldn't
> handle the spelling of "Jackson?"  
> Never mind, the obvious answer is "None of them." 
> (jk-Don't go Bob Beach on me here).


Mike Jaixen
Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com


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From dmelvin at insight.rr.com  Mon Dec  3 09:03:04 2007
From: dmelvin at insight.rr.com (dmelvin@insight.rr.com)
Date: Mon Dec  3 08:52:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
Message-ID: <13209983.779671196694185026.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web06-z01>

>TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he should have 
>settled for the tie and the National Championship.

I don't post here very often, but this statement really bothers me. As one of the "older" fans (I remember when Devaney came to Lincoln), I've always felt that the decision to go for two against Miami was a defining moment in Tom's career and a seminal event in Nebraska football. He could have taken the easy way out and gotten the glory but he wanted to win it on the field, in my opinion, the honorable way. That was a quality rarely seen in the day and even less now. At the time, I was disappointed that we lost but I don't know if I've ever been prouder to be a Husker. I think it was viewed as a "heroic decision" by fans around the nation and I've heard more than one coach say he wished he had the guts to make a decision like that. I just don't understand how anyone could say it was a "bad decision".

Dave Melvin
Columbus, OH

From mcgee4646 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec  3 09:16:25 2007
From: mcgee4646 at sbcglobal.net (DAVID L MCGEE)
Date: Mon Dec  3 09:05:19 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
In-Reply-To: <f1f3dd8f0712030541r9cfeffej4943d5c48f2d9d94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <761853.47059.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How do you know that Pelini isn't that "diamond in the rough."  I for one am glad to have him back!
  Jean

George Rapp <george.rapp@gmail.com> wrote:
  Don, if Tom consulted any Internet mailing list or message board as part of
the hiring process, I'd say can him immediately, for lack of proper judgment
.. 8^)

On Dec 3, 2007 8:25 AM, Don Rietsch wrote:

> I listened to the press conference and the interview with Pelini after.
> They asked him if he wanted to come back and if he thought that he might
> be
> back at NU. He replied that he always looks forward and didn't think
> about
> wanting to come back and then said he never figured he would be back at
> NU.
> So Pelini and Bob were of the same opinion that Pelini was history and
> would
> never coach at NU.
>
> I'm disappointed with the hire. I have nothing against Pelini and hope he
> is the savior everyone in the state is hoping for. My disappointment is
> it
> seems to me that TO came into the AD office, sat down, and asked his new
> secretary: "What's the news out there on the street? Go to
> husker@tssi.com
> and read all the posts since the news came out about the pending firing of
> BC. Give me the names of the coaches the list members want or think would
> be good." She came back with: "Dr. Tom, the list says Pelini, Gill,
> Grobe,
> and Brian Kelly, with Pelini the favorite and Gill close behind." So Dr.
> Tom went out and interviewed Pelini, Gill, Grobe and (rumored) Kelly. He
> chose Pelini. H_ll, this list could have done this job w/o interviewing a
> single candidate.
>
> I was hoping the clever and cunning Dr. Tom would beat the bushes in
> college
> football and come up with a hire that would surprise and absolutely knock
> my
> socks off. A guy or gal (wouldn't that have been a bold move) that has
> been
> operating under the radar, a diamond in the rough like many of the players
> TO recruited, with an incredible record in HS and college football and Dr.
> Tom was a genius for uncovering him/her.
>
> With the above opinion and $5.00 you can get a coffee at Starbucks.
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Baseballguy
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 9:35 PM
> To: Husker List
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
>
>
>
> --- Source message ---
> From: "Pat Gaule" 

> Sent: 12/2/2007 16:53:00
> Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
>
>
> Bob on 10/15/07
>
> Ouch...hopefully Bob can come around from that opinion. I, for one, am
> proud to see Bo wearing red once again!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ya know Pat if you think it is great to nail me to the wall then do
> it.
>
> I assume you feel you can never be wrong. You had to go way back in
> the
> archives to get that one. I said that when Pederson was AD with no
> way
> of knowing what was going to happen. At that time I didn't think
> Pelini
> himself would want anything to do with NU. Once TO was named AD of
> course everything changed. I don't like the hire of Pelini at all.
> But,
> TO should know what he is doing even though TO recommended Steve
> Pedersdon which is the major reason Pederson was AD in the first
> place.
>
> I watched the press conference but one thing Bo didn't address. That
> was
> if he doesn't have a big time winning record in 3-4 years his butt
> will
> be run out of town just like Callahan's was. Welcome to Nebraska Bo.
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>



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From george.rapp at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 18:41:19 2007
From: george.rapp at gmail.com (George Rapp)
Date: Mon Dec  3 09:30:17 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712021808420.12007@linus.heise.nu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712021808420.12007@linus.heise.nu>
Message-ID: <f1f3dd8f0712021641u433830efk5712f506dc463571@mail.gmail.com>

On Dec 2, 2007 6:13 PM, Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> wrote:

> I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly hoped
> it would be Turner Gill.  Any thoughts on why it wasn't Turner?
>
> I'm guessing the job may have been Turner's if he wanted it, but he
> turned it down because he didn't believe it would be right to leave
> Buffalo yet.
>

Stay tuned -- I don't think we're done with press conferences by the
eponymous occupant (one of them, anyway) of the Tom and Nancy Osborne
Center.

I noticed this in the Friday, 30 November email from Mike Osborne (Best of
Big Red/Husker Video):

It appears a position will open up soon on the football side of athletic
> administration which may make room for another former Husker to return to
> the program in an important leadership position. More on that in the next
> few days...
>

I've attached the entire email to add context to the discussion.  I'm not an
employee or agent of the companies named therein, and no endorsement is
expressed or implied by attaching the file to this message.  (Can you tell I
work with a lot of contracts?  8^)

This came out after the announcement that Tim Cassidy (Assistant AD for
Football) was leaving for aTm, though I believe it was written before the
announcement.  Although Dave Rimington is rumored to be the heir apparent
who will fill this position, Gill's name has also emerged as a possibility.
(It's admittedly a stretch -- Turner may not be ready to leave coaching yet
for an administrative position -- but it's one way by which Tom Osborne can
"get" both Pelini and Gill into the program.)

George
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From marklandin at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 09:43:33 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Mon Dec  3 09:32:34 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
In-Reply-To: <475363FD.4020805@cox.net>
References: <475352A6.7020203@cox.net> <475363FD.4020805@cox.net>
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On 12/2/07, C Jolly <jocar26@cox.net> wrote:
> I say go for it.  The game will be at a point in the season where there
> wouldn't much for him to do here and I don't think
> that it would be a test of loyalties.  If the situation were reversed, I
> would hope he would come back to coach the final game
> here.

I am against it. A man cannot serve two masters. Although some of the
time might be recruiting "dead time", there are plenty of other things
for an incoming coach to be thinking about and working on to be ready
for his new gig.

-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From fourtwophd at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 09:50:34 2007
From: fourtwophd at gmail.com (Scott Stewart)
Date: Mon Dec  3 09:39:39 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
In-Reply-To: <13209983.779671196694185026.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web06-z01>
References: <13209983.779671196694185026.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web06-z01>
Message-ID: <7ff8e2b70712030750o45f1a348sa6f96039d8908f55@mail.gmail.com>

I agree.

As a psychologist I have always found Dr. Tom fascinating. My opinion is
that TO always coached a game to win and took each game individually. How
many times have we heard a coach say "I take it one game at a time." That
decision reflected that process. He made a decision that gave his team the
best opportunity to win that game. If you win all your games, the polls take
care of themselves.

Some may remember a similar decision he had the following year against
Oklahoma. It was a defensive struggle. I believe OK was up 3-0. We had the
ball inside the 5 yard line and tried three straight plays to punch it in.
He had a choice of kicking or trying to punch the ball in on 4th down. He
went for it. It didn't pay off.

I remember a poll that was made of coaches. They were asked what football
coach would you most want your kid to play for and TO was the name most
mentioned. I think it was this character that contributed to his selection.
He did what was "right" not what was "popular." Some will argue about the LP
thing, but I also see that differently.

If TO had not one National Championships, he may have been thought of
differently, but I think the respect that he gained that night in Miami
going for two may have contributed to our share of the latest (hopefully not
last) championship. In some ways I think it was a well deserved retirement
present.

Scott

On Dec 3, 2007 10:03 AM, <dmelvin@insight.rr.com> wrote:

> >TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he should
> have
> >settled for the tie and the National Championship.
>
> I don't post here very often, but this statement really bothers me. As one
> of the "older" fans (I remember when Devaney came to Lincoln), I've always
> felt that the decision to go for two against Miami was a defining moment in
> Tom's career and a seminal event in Nebraska football. He could have taken
> the easy way out and gotten the glory but he wanted to win it on the field,
> in my opinion, the honorable way. That was a quality rarely seen in the day
> and even less now. At the time, I was disappointed that we lost but I don't
> know if I've ever been prouder to be a Husker. I think it was viewed as a
> "heroic decision" by fans around the nation and I've heard more than one
> coach say he wished he had the guts to make a decision like that. I just
> don't understand how anyone could say it was a "bad decision".
>
> Dave Melvin
> Columbus, OH
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
From Wayne.Schammel at bp.com  Mon Dec  3 09:52:33 2007
From: Wayne.Schammel at bp.com (Schammel, Wayne P)
Date: Mon Dec  3 09:42:32 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
Message-ID: <05F7D0B261C7F24BBD5D9DFD2A96E0F602550CD0@BP1XEUEX706-C.bp1.ad.bp.com>


>TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he
should have 
>settled for the tie and the National Championship.

>>I don't post here very often, but this statement really bothers me. As
one of the "older" fans (I remember >>when Devaney came to Lincoln),
I've always felt that the decision to go for two against Miami was a
 >>defining moment in Tom's career and a seminal event in Nebraska
football. He could have taken the easy way >>out and gotten the glory
but he wanted to win it on the field, in my opinion, the honorable way.
That was a >>quality rarely seen in the day and even less now. At the
time, I was disappointed that we lost but I don't >>know if I've ever
been prouder to be a Husker. I think it was viewed as a "heroic
decision" by fans around >>the nation and I've heard more than one coach
say he wished he had the guts to make a decision like that. I >>just
don't understand how anyone could say it was a "bad decision".

>>Dave Melvin
>>Columbus, OH


I also am an old fart (Class of 71) and clearly the 84 OB was the most
disappointing loss I ever experienced as a Husker fan.  I had mixed
emotions about Osborne going for 2 that day.  Clearly, it was gutsy and
heroic and many non-Nebraska fans admired his decision.  On the other
hand, I distinctly recall Tom saying afterwards that he did not realize
that going for 1 and settling for the tie (no OT then) would get
Nebraska the MNC.  Everyone assumes he went for two as some sort of
noble thing but I really believe that, if he had known that a tie would
get him the MNC, he would have kicked it instead of going for it.

I liked the call (although my heart was pounding out of my chest at the
time) but hated the disappointing result; he had to wait another 11
years for his first title when I really believe we could have won at
least two national titles in 81, 82 and 83 but ended up with none.

That said, he was a great coach and did a heck of a job in picking the
new coach, in my humble opinion.  It was quick, decisive and, mark my
words, we will be a top 25 team next year without a doubt, maybe even
top 10.

Wayne

From dkarre at comcast.net  Mon Dec  3 10:18:08 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Mon Dec  3 10:07:16 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
In-Reply-To: <16ee270e0712030743t545ddebaj498fe90ee44056c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <475352A6.7020203@cox.net> <475363FD.4020805@cox.net>
	<16ee270e0712030743t545ddebaj498fe90ee44056c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47542C40.5050802@comcast.net>

Mark Landin wrote:
  > I am against it. A man cannot serve two masters. Although some of the
> time might be recruiting "dead time", there are plenty of other things
> for an incoming coach to be thinking about and working on to be ready
> for his new gig.

Both Corso and Holtz agree with you (and me) on this. So that probably 
clinches it, right?

-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From reich at inetnebr.com  Mon Dec  3 10:16:27 2007
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Mon Dec  3 10:09:05 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
Message-ID: <200712031616.KAA21853@stork.inebraska.com>

Also, Watson may be important in keeping recruits.

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> On Dec 3, 2007 7:59 AM, j j <jjj112665@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > There is one name there that I do not want to see as a Nebraska assistant
> > again. That is Shawn Watson. I do not understand everyones obsession with
> > this man. Let him go coach somewhere else. What has he done at NU to make so
> > many like him or think he can coach?
> >
> 
> He contributed to a steady rise in the offensive production, for one
> example.  From http://d1afootball.com/stat.php, under Total Offense, here is
> where the 'Huskers ranked:
> 
> 2003: 83rd (OC: Norvell)
> 2004: 69th (OC: Norvell)
> 2005: 96th (OC: Norvell)
> 2006: 14th (OC: Norvell)
> 2007: 11th (OC: Watson)
> 
> Of course, this isn't the statistic that matters -- only the points on the
> board at the end of the game do -- but it is clearly indicative of an
> improving trend.  The 2003-05 examples also show the effect of sacking the
> entire offensive staff.  There is no continuity; players must learn a new
> offense from scratch; and production suffers.
> 
> OTOH, by keeping Watson as OC, there is at least some continuity and
> stability for the returning players, and Bo has the chance to keep the
> offensive production trend going positive, while he concentrates on fixing
> the defense (which I think we'll all admit was our glaring problem in 2007).
> 
> George
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From dopc67 at comcast.net  Mon Dec  3 11:09:52 2007
From: dopc67 at comcast.net (STUART JONES)
Date: Mon Dec  3 10:49:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
Message-ID: <000001c835cf$521f3b20$0400a8c0@StuDesktop>

My memory is that TO said his team had the chance of being known as one of
the greatest ones ever (at least up until 1984) and going for a tie never
entered his mind. I also remember (IIRC--I am also getting older) that TO
put the emphasis on playing fully up to your ability rather than winning. I
also remember some years earlier when Notre Dame went for the tie against
Michigan State and won the NC that this was a controversial decision hat did
not win a lot of respect--at least among those I spoke to. I was proud to be
an NU fan that day in 1984 even though it hurt. It's a different sort of
focus but one in conformity with the NU motto IIRC.
-Stuart Jones


From CGKnox at pella.com  Mon Dec  3 11:00:05 2007
From: CGKnox at pella.com (Knox, Chuck)
Date: Mon Dec  3 10:50:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
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Duane's point about Bo starting to work with players right away if we had gotten into a bowl touched on something I have been wondering about.  I am trying to remember another case where a head coach was fired at the end of a regular season, and the new coach was hired in time to coach the team in a bowl game.  Granted, there might not be a lot of coaches fired after a season where their team is going to a bowl, but it's bound to have happened more than the one time we all know about.  If Nebraska had beaten Colorado, and BC was still fired, would Bo come in and coach the team in the bowl?  Seems like it's usually an assistant that takes the temporary reigns.  Thoughts?

Chuck Knox
Pella, Iowa

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Feldman [mailto:dlfeldman@ameritech.net]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:27 AM
To: George Rapp; Huskers List
Subject: Re: [Husker] Assistants

It is really too bad that we couldn't have gotten into a bowl game so that Bo could start working with the players right away.  In any case, look for a stronger team since they will spend more time in the weight room.  Maybe that is what the lines need anyway. [ng]

Duane

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From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Mon Dec  3 10:51:14 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
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> 
> >TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he should have 
> >settled for the tie and the National Championship.
> 
> I don't post here very often, but this statement really bothers me. As one of the "older" fans (I remember when Devaney came to Lincoln), I've always felt that the decision to go for two against Miami was a defining moment in Tom's career and a seminal event in Nebraska football. He could have taken the easy way out and gotten the glory but he wanted to win it on the field, in my opinion, the honorable way. That was a quality rarely seen in the day and even less now. At the time, I was disappointed that we lost but I don't know if I've ever been prouder to be a Husker. I think it was viewed as a "heroic decision" by fans around the nation and I've heard more than one coach say he wished he had the guts to make a decision like that. I just don't understand how anyone could say it was a "bad decision".
> 
> Dave Melvin
> Columbus, OH

Good decision?  Bad decision?  Heroic decision?  Don't know about those.  I do know it was the RIGHT decision. (in my humble opinion of course.

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From matthew.a.phillips at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 11:11:36 2007
From: matthew.a.phillips at gmail.com (Matt Phillips)
Date: Mon Dec  3 11:00:54 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
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Folks, 99% of the list agrees with you.  Probably 100% - someone is just
trying to get a rise out of the list (and it's getting old..)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Schammel, Wayne P
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:53 AM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
> 
> 
> >TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he
> should have 
> >settled for the tie and the National Championship.
> 
> >>I don't post here very often, but this statement really 
> bothers me. As
> one of the "older" fans (I remember >>when Devaney came to 
> Lincoln), I've always felt that the decision to go for two 
> against Miami was a  >>defining moment in Tom's career and a 
> seminal event in Nebraska football. He could have taken the 
> easy way >>out and gotten the glory but he wanted to win it 
> on the field, in my opinion, the honorable way.
> That was a >>quality rarely seen in the day and even less 
> now. At the time, I was disappointed that we lost but I don't 
> >>know if I've ever been prouder to be a Husker. I think it 
> was viewed as a "heroic decision" by fans around >>the nation 
> and I've heard more than one coach say he wished he had the 
> guts to make a decision like that. I >>just don't understand 
> how anyone could say it was a "bad decision".
> 
> >>Dave Melvin
> >>Columbus, OH
> 
> 
> I also am an old fart (Class of 71) and clearly the 84 OB was 
> the most disappointing loss I ever experienced as a Husker 
> fan.  I had mixed emotions about Osborne going for 2 that 
> day.  Clearly, it was gutsy and heroic and many non-Nebraska 
> fans admired his decision.  On the other hand, I distinctly 
> recall Tom saying afterwards that he did not realize that 
> going for 1 and settling for the tie (no OT then) would get 
> Nebraska the MNC.  Everyone assumes he went for two as some 
> sort of noble thing but I really believe that, if he had 
> known that a tie would get him the MNC, he would have kicked 
> it instead of going for it.
> 
> I liked the call (although my heart was pounding out of my 
> chest at the
> time) but hated the disappointing result; he had to wait 
> another 11 years for his first title when I really believe we 
> could have won at least two national titles in 81, 82 and 83 
> but ended up with none.
> 
> That said, he was a great coach and did a heck of a job in 
> picking the new coach, in my humble opinion.  It was quick, 
> decisive and, mark my words, we will be a top 25 team next 
> year without a doubt, maybe even top 10.
> 
> Wayne
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From marklandin at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 11:33:12 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Mon Dec  3 11:22:14 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
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On 12/3/07, Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote:

> Both Corso and Holtz agree with you (and me) on this.
> So that probably
> clinches it, right?

Well, if Corso and Holtz are agreeing with me, it means I need to
re-evaluate my position. :)

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would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From marklandin at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 11:37:44 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Mon Dec  3 11:27:36 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
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On 12/2/07, Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly hoped
> it would be Turner Gill.  Any thoughts on why it wasn't Turner?

We will likely never know. All speculation can do in this case is take
us down an ever darkening path of "woulda/coulda/shoulda".

Let's talk about Bo! Go Bo!


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From marklandin at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 11:40:30 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Mon Dec  3 11:30:22 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
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On 12/2/07, George Rapp <george.rapp@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> This came out after the announcement that Tim Cassidy (Assistant AD for
> Football) was leaving for aTm, though I believe it was written before the
> announcement.  Although Dave Rimington is rumored to be the heir apparent
> who will fill this position, Gill's name has also emerged as a possibility.
> (It's admittedly a stretch -- Turner may not be ready to leave coaching yet
> for an administrative position -- but it's one way by which Tom Osborne can
> "get" both Pelini and Gill into the program.)

Trev Alberts is the name I'm hearing in connection with this opening.
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would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From marklandin at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 11:41:43 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Mon Dec  3 11:30:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
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On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart <fourtwophd@gmail.com> wrote:

>  If you win all your games, the polls take
> care of themselves.

Unless you are Hawaii.

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would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 11:43:05 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Mon Dec  3 11:31:57 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
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Actually a similar situation happened last year.  It
wasn't a firing, it was a resignation.  Cincinnati's
Mark Dantonio left Cincy for Michigan State after the
regular season, so when Cincy hired Brian Kelly, Kelly
took over before the bowl season.  Kelly's assistants
coached Central Michigan in their bowl game, and then
joined Cincinnati for the Cincy bowl game.  (Those
assistants coached in two bowl games last year!)


--- "Knox, Chuck" <CGKnox@pella.com> wrote:

> Duane's point about Bo starting to work with players
> right away if we had gotten into a bowl touched on
> something I have been wondering about.  I am trying
> to remember another case where a head coach was
> fired at the end of a regular season, and the new
> coach was hired in time to coach the team in a bowl
> game.  Granted, there might not be a lot of coaches
> fired after a season where their team is going to a
> bowl, but it's bound to have happened more than the
> one time we all know about.  If Nebraska had beaten
> Colorado, and BC was still fired, would Bo come in
> and coach the team in the bowl?  Seems like it's
> usually an assistant that takes the temporary
> reigns.  Thoughts?
> 
> Chuck Knox
> Pella, Iowa
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duane Feldman [mailto:dlfeldman@ameritech.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:27 AM
> To: George Rapp; Huskers List
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Assistants
> 
> It is really too bad that we couldn't have gotten
> into a bowl game so that Bo could start working with
> the players right away.  In any case, look for a
> stronger team since they will spend more time in the
> weight room.  Maybe that is what the lines need
> anyway. [ng]
> 
> Duane
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 11:50:40 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Mon Dec  3 11:39:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
In-Reply-To: <47542C40.5050802@comcast.net>
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He will also need to find some time for FAMILY and moving back to
Lincoln! 

--- Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote:

> Mark Landin wrote:
>   > I am against it. A man cannot serve two masters. Although some
> of the
> > time might be recruiting "dead time", there are plenty of other
> things
> > for an incoming coach to be thinking about and working on to be
> ready
> > for his new gig.
> 
> Both Corso and Holtz agree with you (and me) on this. So that
> probably 
> clinches it, right?
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From george.rapp at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 11:55:15 2007
From: george.rapp at gmail.com (George Rapp)
Date: Mon Dec  3 11:44:19 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
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On Dec 3, 2007 12:40 PM, Mark Landin <marklandin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/2/07, George Rapp <george.rapp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > This came out after the announcement that Tim Cassidy (Assistant AD for
> > Football) was leaving for aTm, though I believe it was written before
> the
> > announcement.  Although Dave Rimington is rumored to be the heir
> apparent
> > who will fill this position, Gill's name has also emerged as a
> possibility.
> > (It's admittedly a stretch -- Turner may not be ready to leave coaching
> yet
> > for an administrative position -- but it's one way by which Tom Osborne
> can
> > "get" both Pelini and Gill into the program.)
>
> Trev Alberts is the name I'm hearing in connection with this opening.
>

Intriguing hire.  He's obviously well-spoken and would be a fine
representative for the team, the athletic department, and the University.
(However, that hire would also confirm my suspicion that this is just TO's
attempt to get Kirk Herbstreit to say nice things about us -- we would have
hired a former tOSU teammate of Kirk's, as well as a former cow-orker at
ESPN ... 8^)

George
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From answerman1 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  3 12:08:24 2007
From: answerman1 at hotmail.com (JEN_SENS)
Date: Mon Dec  3 11:57:40 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
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I would almost bet anything Turner isn't going anywhere this year. He feels 
a great deal of loyalty to his players in Buffalo. (What a concept) There is 
a desire to finish what he started. I believe the Nebraska job would have 
been a difficult decision for him.

I think somewhere along the way someone with a great deal of influence in 
his life, taught him that the joy is in the journey, not the destination.

Gerald

BTW it appears the former player to replace Cassidy is Trev Alberts.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Rapp" <george.rapp@gmail.com>
To: "Husker List" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?


> On Dec 2, 2007 6:13 PM, Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> wrote:
>
>> I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly hoped
>> it would be Turner Gill.  Any thoughts on why it wasn't Turner?
>>
>> I'm guessing the job may have been Turner's if he wanted it, but he
>> turned it down because he didn't believe it would be right to leave
>> Buffalo yet.
>>
>
> Stay tuned -- I don't think we're done with press conferences by the
> eponymous occupant (one of them, anyway) of the Tom and Nancy Osborne
> Center.
>
> I noticed this in the Friday, 30 November email from Mike Osborne (Best of
> Big Red/Husker Video):
>
> It appears a position will open up soon on the football side of athletic
>> administration which may make room for another former Husker to return to
>> the program in an important leadership position. More on that in the next
>> few days...
>>
>
> I've attached the entire email to add context to the discussion.  I'm not 
> an
> employee or agent of the companies named therein, and no endorsement is
> expressed or implied by attaching the file to this message.  (Can you tell 
> I
> work with a lot of contracts?  8^)
>
> This came out after the announcement that Tim Cassidy (Assistant AD for
> Football) was leaving for aTm, though I believe it was written before the
> announcement.  Although Dave Rimington is rumored to be the heir apparent
> who will fill this position, Gill's name has also emerged as a 
> possibility.
> (It's admittedly a stretch -- Turner may not be ready to leave coaching 
> yet
> for an administrative position -- but it's one way by which Tom Osborne 
> can
> "get" both Pelini and Gill into the program.)
>
> George
> -- 
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>    Work: george.rapp -- at -- eds.com (or) george.rapp -- at -- dfas.mil
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From rchriste at threeriver.net  Mon Dec  3 12:13:53 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Mon Dec  3 12:01:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
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Will the new Husker rally cry be "Bo Big Red"?

Bob
Mark Landin wrote:
> On 12/2/07, Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> wrote:
>   
>> I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly hoped
>> it would be Turner Gill.  Any thoughts on why it wasn't Turner?
>>     
>
> We will likely never know. All speculation can do in this case is take
> us down an ever darkening path of "woulda/coulda/shoulda".
>
> Let's talk about Bo! Go Bo!
>
>
>   

From answerman1 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  3 12:33:22 2007
From: answerman1 at hotmail.com (JEN_SENS)
Date: Mon Dec  3 12:22:34 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
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Remember the search firm. (They are the go between, the reason a coach can 
say, "I have not talked to Nebraska".) They do the leg work. The background 
checks and references. Osborne gave them specific criteria on character, 
coaching ability, references etc and they found candidates who matched the 
criteria.

Tom chose Bo because he believes it is the defensive end of the ball that 
needs to be fixed right now. There is an attitude and a toughness that Bo 
brought last time that is sorely missing right now. One of the concepts I 
liked about Bo was tagging out, that is, every defensive player had to tag 
the ball carrier before the play was considered dead. It produced hustle and 
a pursuit mentality.

It is possible a coaching Neil Smith is hidden somewhere in the bushes that 
would have proven to be a better choice. However, I believe Tom believes the 
program is in a tenuous position right now and there is not the luxury of 
trying a Gerry Faust from Moeller (oops bad example).

I think the bottom line is that Tom has been around the block and he sees 
something in Pelini that intrigues him. Really, I think he knows his legacy 
is riding on this choice.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Rietsch" <drr@livgenmi.com>
To: "'Baseballguy'" <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>; "'Husker List'" 
<husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...

> I was hoping the clever and cunning Dr. Tom would beat the bushes in 
> college
> football and come up with a hire that would surprise and absolutely knock 
> my
> socks off.  A guy or gal (wouldn't that have been a bold move) that has 
> been
> operating under the radar, a diamond in the rough like many of the players
> TO recruited, with an incredible record in HS and college football and Dr.
> Tom was a genius for uncovering him/her.
>
> With the above opinion and $5.00 you can get a coffee at Starbucks.
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf 
> Of
> Baseballguy
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 9:35 PM
> To: Husker List
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
>
>
>
> --- Source message ---
> From: "Pat Gaule" <pgaule@cox.net>
> Sent: 12/2/2007 16:53:00
> Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
>
>
> Bob on 10/15/07
>
> Ouch...hopefully Bob can come around from that opinion.  I, for one, am
> proud to see Bo wearing red once again!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     Ya know Pat if you think it is great to nail me to the wall then do 
> it.
>
>     I assume you feel you can never be wrong.  You had to go way back in
> the
>     archives to get that one.  I said that when Pederson was AD with no 
> way
>     of knowing what was going to happen.  At that time I didn't think
> Pelini
>     himself would want anything to do with NU.  Once TO was named AD of
>     course everything changed.  I don't like the hire of Pelini at all.
> But,
>     TO should know what he is doing even though TO recommended Steve
>     Pedersdon which is the major reason Pederson was AD in the first 
> place.
>
>     I watched the press conference but one thing Bo didn't address.  That
> was
>     if he doesn't have a big time winning record in 3-4 years his butt 
> will
>     be run out of town just like Callahan's was.  Welcome to Nebraska Bo.
>
>
> Bob Beach
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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 12:36:39 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Mon Dec  3 12:25:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
In-Reply-To: <000c01c835cf$92f5e4f0$4101a8c0@D6C4X081>
Message-ID: <364047.77805.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Let me see if I can clarify my point.  Go for 2 and make it = National Championship, miss it = No National Championship.  Go for 1 = National Championship.  You only needed one point to be the National Champion.
   
  Instead of TO getting his first National Championship, Miami got theirs.  
   
  It was as bad of a decision then, as it would be today! 
   
   
  

Matt Phillips <matthew.a.phillips@gmail.com> wrote:
  Folks, 99% of the list agrees with you. Probably 100% - someone is just
trying to get a rise out of the list (and it's getting old..)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Schammel, Wayne P
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:53 AM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
> 
> 
> >TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he
> should have 
> >settled for the tie and the National Championship.
> 
> >>I don't post here very often, but this statement really 
> bothers me. As
> one of the "older" fans (I remember >>when Devaney came to 
> Lincoln), I've always felt that the decision to go for two 
> against Miami was a >>defining moment in Tom's career and a 
> seminal event in Nebraska football. He could have taken the 
> easy way >>out and gotten the glory but he wanted to win it 
> on the field, in my opinion, the honorable way.
> That was a >>quality rarely seen in the day and even less 
> now. At the time, I was disappointed that we lost but I don't 
> >>know if I've ever been prouder to be a Husker. I think it 
> was viewed as a "heroic decision" by fans around >>the nation 
> and I've heard more than one coach say he wished he had the 
> guts to make a decision like that. I >>just don't understand 
> how anyone could say it was a "bad decision".
> 
> >>Dave Melvin
> >>Columbus, OH
> 
> 
> I also am an old fart (Class of 71) and clearly the 84 OB was 
> the most disappointing loss I ever experienced as a Husker 
> fan. I had mixed emotions about Osborne going for 2 that 
> day. Clearly, it was gutsy and heroic and many non-Nebraska 
> fans admired his decision. On the other hand, I distinctly 
> recall Tom saying afterwards that he did not realize that 
> going for 1 and settling for the tie (no OT then) would get 
> Nebraska the MNC. Everyone assumes he went for two as some 
> sort of noble thing but I really believe that, if he had 
> known that a tie would get him the MNC, he would have kicked 
> it instead of going for it.
> 
> I liked the call (although my heart was pounding out of my 
> chest at the
> time) but hated the disappointing result; he had to wait 
> another 11 years for his first title when I really believe we 
> could have won at least two national titles in 81, 82 and 83 
> but ended up with none.
> 
> That said, he was a great coach and did a heck of a job in 
> picking the new coach, in my humble opinion. It was quick, 
> decisive and, mark my words, we will be a top 25 team next 
> year without a doubt, maybe even top 10.
> 
> Wayne
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From answerman1 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  3 12:44:40 2007
From: answerman1 at hotmail.com (JEN_SENS)
Date: Mon Dec  3 12:33:54 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
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You bring up an interesting point. Some ask is Kennedy the one to develop 
this team into what it can be, look at how this team has been pushed around. 
The counter is Kennedy is delivering a product to the specifications of his 
employer. It will be interesting to see what Pelini does in this area.

Gerald


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Feldman" <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>
>
> It is really too bad that we couldn't have gotten into a bowl game so that 
> Bo could start working with the players right away.  In any case, look for 
> a stronger team since they will spend more time in the weight room.  Maybe 
> that is what the lines need anyway. [ng]
>
> Duane

From buckley at hawaii.edu  Mon Dec  3 12:47:00 2007
From: buckley at hawaii.edu (Brent Buckley)
Date: Mon Dec  3 12:35:40 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
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On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart <fourtwophd@gmail.com> wrote:

>  If you win all your games, the polls take care of themselves.

- Unless you are Hawaii.

Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone realizes that their schedule
didn't qualify them to be a contender.  They barely beat 3 fairly poor teams
on the road, could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who knows
what might have happened in overtime.  But they did manage to win and who
knows they might pull a Boise State and beat disappointed Georgia in the
Sugar bowl.

Mandatory Nebraska reference.  This is the first time in 20 years that
Hawaii has had a higher ranking than Nebraska.  Geez, thanks Coz, Bill and
Steve.  The good thing for Hawaii, is they've now got something to talk
about other than the time they beat Nebraska in 1955.


From matthew.a.phillips at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 13:11:26 2007
From: matthew.a.phillips at gmail.com (Matt Phillips)
Date: Mon Dec  3 13:00:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
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wow.  maybe you were being sincere?  sorry if I jumped to a faulty
conclusion.
 
this is strictly my opinion, but... let me say this:  Nebraska fans not only
want to win, but we want to win a certain way.  Playing for a tie is NOT the
way we want to win.  
 
I think that part of challenge of the west coast offense, and the 'bend but
don't break' defense. 
 
We don't want to win by finessing people, we want to knock the slobber out
of you.  
 
We don't want to read and react, we want to attack and be aggressive.  Read
and react is NEVER intimidating.  it's not a 'blackshirt' thing to do!  :)
 
so, it was the only decision then (because there was no overtime), as far as
I'm concerned.
 
so glad we'll be in attack mode!
 
GBR,
~m


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From: Sue Smith [mailto:huskerdana@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:37 PM
To: Matt Phillips; husker@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [Husker] Going for 2


Let me see if I can clarify my point.  Go for 2 and make it = National
Championship, miss it = No National Championship.  Go for 1 = National
Championship.  You only needed one point to be the National Champion.
 
Instead of TO getting his first National Championship, Miami got theirs.  
 
It was as bad of a decision then, as it would be today! 
 
 


Matt Phillips <matthew.a.phillips@gmail.com> wrote:

Folks, 99% of the list agrees with you. Probably 100% - someone is just
trying to get a rise out of the list (and it's getting old..)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Schammel, Wayne P
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:53 AM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
> 
> 
> >TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he
> should have 
> >settled for the tie and the National Championship.
> 
> >>I don't post here very often, but this statement really 
> bothers me. As
> one of the "older" fans (I remember >>when Devaney came to 
> Lincoln), I've always felt that the decision to go for two 
> against Miami was a >>defining moment in Tom's career and a 
> seminal event in Nebraska football. He could have taken the 
> easy way >>out and gotten the glory but he wanted to win it 
> on the field, in my opinion, the honorable way.
> That was a >>quality rarely seen in the day and even less 
> now. At the time, I was disappointed that we lost but I don't 
> >>know if I've ever been prouder to be a Husker. I think it 
> was viewed as a "heroic decision" by fans around >>the nation 
> and I've heard more than one coach say he wished he had the 
> guts to make a decision like that. I >>just don't understand 
> how anyone could say it was a "bad decision".
> 
> >>Dave Melvin
> >>Columbus, OH
> 
> 
> I also am an old fart (Class of 71) and clearly the 84 OB was 
> the most disappointing loss I ever experienced as a Husker 
> fan. I had mixed emotions about Osborne going for 2 that 
> day. Clearly, it was gutsy and heroic and many non-Nebraska 
> fans admired his decision. On the other hand, I distinctly 
> recall Tom saying afterwards that he did not realize that 
> going for 1 and settling for the tie (no OT then) would get 
> Nebraska the MNC. Everyone assumes he went for two as some 
> sort of noble thing but I really believe that, if he had 
> known that a tie would get him the MNC, he would have kicked 
> it instead of going for it.
> 
> I liked the call (although my heart was pounding out of my 
> chest at the
> time) but hated the disappointing result; he had to wait 
> another 11 years for his first title when I really believe we 
> could have won at least two national titles in 81, 82 and 83 
> but ended up with none.
> 
> That said, he was a great coach and did a heck of a job in 
> picking the new coach, in my humble opinion. It was quick, 
> decisive and, mark my words, we will be a top 25 team next 
> year without a doubt, maybe even top 10.
> 
> Wayne
> 
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From rchriste at threeriver.net  Mon Dec  3 13:39:23 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Mon Dec  3 13:27:13 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
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Sue and all,

I probably shouldn't get involved in this discussion since it has no 
"right" answers.  I don't happen to subscribe to the position that going 
for the win at the Orange Bowl was a bad decision.  Had we made the 2 
point, we would have been National Champion and the point wouldn't have 
mattered.   As it was, the championship slipped away and we can continue 
to discuss it all these years later.

I also don't think Tom made a bad choice of Frank Solich to take the HC 
of the Huskers.  It was Pederson that made the bad choice regarding Solich.

I do think that Pederson fooled Tom as he did about everyone in 
Nebraska.  Pederson lost me when he decided to take this "new direction" 
and it was pretty obvious (at least in hind sight) that Pederson's new 
direction was away from everything that was Nebraska Football.  I doubt 
that Tom could have known that, and I think it fooled a lot of other 
people along the way. 

In retrospect, I think the campaign for governor was run about right.  
The current governor is doing a fair job in that capacity.  I think he 
would have been a horrible AD!  (*smile*-thats a joke for the ones that 
might wonder).

Bob

Sue Smith wrote:
> Let me see if I can clarify my point.  Go for 2 and make it = National Championship, miss it = No National Championship.  Go for 1 = National Championship.  You only needed one point to be the National Champion.
>    
>   Instead of TO getting his first National Championship, Miami got theirs.  
>    
>   It was as bad of a decision then, as it would be today! 
>    
>    
>   
>
> Matt Phillips <matthew.a.phillips@gmail.com> wrote:
>   Folks, 99% of the list agrees with you. Probably 100% - someone is just
> trying to get a rise out of the list (and it's getting old..)
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com 
>> [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Schammel, Wayne P
>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:53 AM
>> To: husker@tssi.com
>> Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
>>
>>
>>     
>>> TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he
>>>       
>> should have 
>>     
>>> settled for the tie and the National Championship.
>>>       
>>>> I don't post here very often, but this statement really 
>>>>         
>> bothers me. As
>> one of the "older" fans (I remember >>when Devaney came to 
>> Lincoln), I've always felt that the decision to go for two 
>> against Miami was a >>defining moment in Tom's career and a 
>> seminal event in Nebraska football. He could have taken the 
>> easy way >>out and gotten the glory but he wanted to win it 
>> on the field, in my opinion, the honorable way.
>> That was a >>quality rarely seen in the day and even less 
>> now. At the time, I was disappointed that we lost but I don't 
>>     
>>>> know if I've ever been prouder to be a Husker. I think it 
>>>>         
>> was viewed as a "heroic decision" by fans around >>the nation 
>> and I've heard more than one coach say he wished he had the 
>> guts to make a decision like that. I >>just don't understand 
>> how anyone could say it was a "bad decision".
>>
>>     
>>>> Dave Melvin
>>>> Columbus, OH
>>>>         
>> I also am an old fart (Class of 71) and clearly the 84 OB was 
>> the most disappointing loss I ever experienced as a Husker 
>> fan. I had mixed emotions about Osborne going for 2 that 
>> day. Clearly, it was gutsy and heroic and many non-Nebraska 
>> fans admired his decision. On the other hand, I distinctly 
>> recall Tom saying afterwards that he did not realize that 
>> going for 1 and settling for the tie (no OT then) would get 
>> Nebraska the MNC. Everyone assumes he went for two as some 
>> sort of noble thing but I really believe that, if he had 
>> known that a tie would get him the MNC, he would have kicked 
>> it instead of going for it.
>>
>> I liked the call (although my heart was pounding out of my 
>> chest at the
>> time) but hated the disappointing result; he had to wait 
>> another 11 years for his first title when I really believe we 
>> could have won at least two national titles in 81, 82 and 83 
>> but ended up with none.
>>
>> That said, he was a great coach and did a heck of a job in 
>> picking the new coach, in my humble opinion. It was quick, 
>> decisive and, mark my words, we will be a top 25 team next 
>> year without a doubt, maybe even top 10.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
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From reggie at kearney.net  Mon Dec  3 15:00:00 2007
From: reggie at kearney.net (marc)
Date: Mon Dec  3 13:46:47 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
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I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule wasn't the greatest, but can't we
say the same thing about Ohio State???

Youngstown St.
Akron
Washington
Northwestern
Minnesota
Purdue
Kent State

>
> On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart <fourtwophd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  If you win all your games, the polls take care of themselves.
>
> - Unless you are Hawaii.
>
> Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone realizes that their
> schedule
> didn't qualify them to be a contender.  They barely beat 3 fairly poor
> teams
> on the road, could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who
> knows
> what might have happened in overtime.  But they did manage to win and who
> knows they might pull a Boise State and beat disappointed Georgia in the
> Sugar bowl.


From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 13:59:04 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Mon Dec  3 13:47:55 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
In-Reply-To: <001e01c835e0$4f2f3760$4101a8c0@D6C4X081>
Message-ID: <163129.71291.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I now know I can turn to Matt when I want to seek the pulse of all Nebraska fans : )
   
  For the record, I would have liked to see the 2 point conversion work.

Matt Phillips <matthew.a.phillips@gmail.com> wrote:
  let me say this: Nebraska fans not only
want to win, but we want to win a certain way. Playing for a tie is NOT the
way we want to win. 
       
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From sklarbodds at cox.net  Mon Dec  3 14:02:28 2007
From: sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Mon Dec  3 13:52:19 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
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The difference is OSU manhandled it's poor opponents while Hawaii struggled
against a lot of them, IMO.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of
> marc
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:00 PM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
> 
> I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule wasn't the greatest, but can't we
> say the same thing about Ohio State???
> 
> Youngstown St.
> Akron
> Washington
> Northwestern
> Minnesota
> Purdue
> Kent State
> 
> >
> > On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart <fourtwophd@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>  If you win all your games, the polls take care of themselves.
> >
> > - Unless you are Hawaii.
> >
> > Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone realizes that their
> > schedule
> > didn't qualify them to be a contender.  They barely beat 3 fairly poor
> > teams
> > on the road, could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who
> > knows
> > what might have happened in overtime.  But they did manage to win and
who
> > knows they might pull a Boise State and beat disappointed Georgia in the
> > Sugar bowl.
> 
> 
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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 14:11:05 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Mon Dec  3 13:59:56 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
In-Reply-To: <0JSH005QJLH45701@hawaii.edu>
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Interesting. I would have thought Hawaii would have been ranked higher than NU sometime in the last 4 years.  Hawaii has had some very good football teams recently.  
   
  FWIW, I think Georgia will pound Hawaii.  KU - Hawaii would have been a better matchup for them. 

Brent Buckley <buckley@hawaii.edu> wrote:
  
Mandatory Nebraska reference. This is the first time in 20 years that
Hawaii has had a higher ranking than Nebraska. Geez, thanks Coz, Bill and
Steve. The good thing for Hawaii, is they've now got something to talk
about other than the time they beat Nebraska in 1955.


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From J1a2c3k at aol.com  Mon Dec  3 14:16:05 2007
From: J1a2c3k at aol.com (J1a2c3k@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec  3 14:09:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huskers on ESPN Classic now
Message-ID: <bbb.1910bf93.3485be05@aol.com>

1998 Texas at Nebraska from 2:00 to 4:00 Eastern time
 
Jack

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because your character is what you really are;
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From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Mon Dec  3 14:23:55 2007
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott R Lawson)
Date: Mon Dec  3 14:13:06 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
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Since they are in a perceived 'weaker' conference the only way for teams
like Hawaii to improve their status in the voters' eyes and the BCS
standings is to schedule higher profile teams out of their conference. I
know this is sometimes difficult because most teams have little to gain
by scheduling teams like Boise St. and Hawaii, but unfortunately that's
the way it goes. The system essentially sucks unless you belong to one
of the major conferences. 

It always makes me chuckle when the teams from weaker (or mid major)
conferences moan and groan about being excluded from the big games, when
at the beginning of the season they all knew they were in a weak
conference and the BCS rules have been in place for several seasons now
(as silly as they are). Again, I'm not saying the BCS system is a good
one (it is far from it) but these teams should lobby or try to do
something about it before they go 11-0.

And as much as I dislike Missouri, they really got boned by the BCS when
it picked Kansas for the Orange Bowl, in my opinion.

Scott in NY

 

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of marc
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 4:00 PM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?

I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule wasn't the greatest, but can't
we
say the same thing about Ohio State???

Youngstown St.
Akron
Washington
Northwestern
Minnesota
Purdue
Kent State

>
> On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart <fourtwophd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  If you win all your games, the polls take care of themselves.
>
> - Unless you are Hawaii.
>
> Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone realizes that their
> schedule
> didn't qualify them to be a contender.  They barely beat 3 fairly poor
> teams
> on the road, could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who
> knows
> what might have happened in overtime.  But they did manage to win and
who
> knows they might pull a Boise State and beat disappointed Georgia in
the
> Sugar bowl.


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From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Mon Dec  3 14:24:17 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Mon Dec  3 14:13:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
In-Reply-To: <20071203132511.7EF761C1F7@gw.tssi.com>
References: <20071203132511.7EF761C1F7@gw.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <p06210224c37a1421a783@[10.30.5.83]>

Don Rietsch wrote:

(snip)

>I'm disappointed with the hire.  I have nothing against Pelini and hope he
>is the savior everyone in the state is hoping for.  My disappointment is it
>seems to me that TO came into the AD office, sat down, and asked his new
>secretary: "What's the news out there on the street?  Go to husker@tssi.com
>and read all the posts since the news came out about the pending firing of
>BC.  Give me the names of the coaches the list members want or think would
>be good."  She came back with:  "Dr. Tom, the list says Pelini, Gill, Grobe,
>and Brian Kelly, with Pelini the favorite and Gill close behind."  So Dr.
>Tom went out and interviewed Pelini, Gill, Grobe and (rumored) Kelly.  He
>chose Pelini.  H_ll, this list could have done this job w/o interviewing a
>single candidate. 
>I was hoping the clever and cunning Dr. Tom would beat the bushes in college
>football and come up with a hire that would surprise and absolutely knock my
>socks off.  A guy or gal (wouldn't that have been a bold move) that has been
>operating under the radar, a diamond in the rough like many of the players
>TO recruited, with an incredible record in HS and college football and Dr.
>Tom was a genius for uncovering him/her.

Odd, but I get exactly the opposite reading from the situation: the 
clever and cunning Dr. Tom knew immediately after the USC game (or 
the ISU game at the latest) that the Rubicon had been crossed and 
there was no turning back.
So, in his mind he assessed all possible viable candidates and by the 
time he was appointed Interim AD he had narrowed them down to, say, 
four or five.

Then it became a question of juggling schedules and personalities to 
determine the right man for the moment and, we hope, for the long 
term. In my view, Dr. Tom's immediate goal was to establish stability 
in the program and confidence within the fan base.

If we're looking for drama, we'd better stick to Stephen King flicks.       :-)

Steve Stone

From dkarre at comcast.net  Mon Dec  3 14:36:42 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Mon Dec  3 14:25:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
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Schammel, Wayne P wrote:
On the other
> hand, I distinctly recall Tom saying afterwards that he did not realize
> that going for 1 and settling for the tie (no OT then) would get
> Nebraska the MNC.  Everyone assumes he went for two as some sort of
> noble thing but I really believe that, if he had known that a tie would
> get him the MNC, he would have kicked it instead of going for it.

Interesting. I've never heard that. My recollection is TO saying, "You 
play the game to win." (That increases the odds that he actually said it 
only slightly, but that's what I remember.) At the time, it never 
occurred to me that he wouldn't go for two until someone suggested it 
after the game. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who criticizes him for 
that decision doesn't get it, but that's just me.

-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Dec  3 14:27:59 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Dec  3 14:28:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2 (fwd)
Message-ID: <200712032027.lB3KRxB3010878@romaine.tssi.com>

> Let me see if I can clarify my point.  Go for 2 and make it = National Championship, miss it = No National Championship.  Go for 1 = National Championship.  You only needed one point to be the National Champion.
>    
>   Instead of TO getting his first National Championship, Miami got theirs.  
>    
>   It was as bad of a decision then, as it would be today! 

The situations are far from comparable, because there was no overtime
in 1983/4.  But even with overtime, sometime it still comes up.  I remember
Chuck Amato going for the win with the 2 point try at NC State a few 
years ago.  Minnesota went for 2 in the 2nd overtime against Northwestern 
this season, when kicking the PAT would have gotten them into a third overtime. 

In fact, that game was one of the factors cited by the NCAA Rules
committee in recommending that the NCAA institute overtime procedures
for bowl games, which of course was quickly extended to all college games.

Although most of the after-the-fact coverage of that game repeats the
mantra that a tie would have assured Nebraska a national championship,
the history of the voters back then suggests that may not have been the 
case.

I'm old enough I still remember the controversy over the 10-10 tie 
between Michigan State and Notre Dame back in 1966.  
--
Mike Nolan

From J1a2c3k at aol.com  Mon Dec  3 14:52:00 2007
From: J1a2c3k at aol.com (J1a2c3k@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec  3 14:44:48 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huskers on ESPN Classic again
Message-ID: <c3a.251caafc.3485c670@aol.com>

2001: Oct 27
Oklahoma -Huskers Wed 4-6 EST on  ESPN Classic

Jack
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because your character is what you really are;
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From mug135 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  3 15:31:30 2007
From: mug135 at hotmail.com (Dana Williams)
Date: Mon Dec  3 15:20:41 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
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> And as much as I dislike Missouri, they really got boned by the BCS when> it picked Kansas for the Orange Bowl, in my opinion.> > Scott in NY
I agree that Missouri got the proverbial shaft, but it was the Orange Bowl people that picked KU over Missouri. The BCS is only used to pick the top two teams. At least that is what the good folks at ESPN reported last night.
 
 
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From huskertt at charter.net  Mon Dec  3 15:40:53 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Mon Dec  3 15:34:55 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
References: <CE1DD769FF81C643AC7FBE5262A9DDFC01F66D4C@FSMAILLK2A.tcu.edu><122198.79201.qm@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <00cf01c835f5$2fe9f2e0$6901a8c0@Husker>

I've mentioned the Yards/Play before, which I believe is the most 
significant statistic.  The current offense rivals that of Tom Osborne's 
teams.

If you just want to look at Scoring Offense, you can see that the program is 
on the right track.  If the defense had been at least mediocre this year, 
the team would have been in the top 10, in my opinion.

2007 - 28th
2006 - 17th
2005 - 67th
2004 - 58th
2003 - 74th
2002 - 59th
2001 - 7th
2000 - 4th
1999 - 12th
1998 - 23rd
1997 - 1st
1996 - 4th



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Rapp" <george.rapp@gmail.com>
To: "Huskers List" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Assistants


> On Dec 3, 2007 7:59 AM, j j <jjj112665@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> There is one name there that I do not want to see as a Nebraska assistant
>> again. That is Shawn Watson. I do not understand everyones obsession with
>> this man. Let him go coach somewhere else. What has he done at NU to make 
>> so
>> many like him or think he can coach?
>>
>
> He contributed to a steady rise in the offensive production, for one
> example.  From http://d1afootball.com/stat.php, under Total Offense, here 
> is
> where the 'Huskers ranked:
>
> 2003: 83rd (OC: Norvell)
> 2004: 69th (OC: Norvell)
> 2005: 96th (OC: Norvell)
> 2006: 14th (OC: Norvell)
> 2007: 11th (OC: Watson)
>
> Of course, this isn't the statistic that matters -- only the points on the
> board at the end of the game do -- but it is clearly indicative of an
> improving trend.  The 2003-05 examples also show the effect of sacking the
> entire offensive staff.  There is no continuity; players must learn a new
> offense from scratch; and production suffers.
>
> OTOH, by keeping Watson as OC, there is at least some continuity and
> stability for the returning players, and Bo has the chance to keep the
> offensive production trend going positive, while he concentrates on fixing
> the defense (which I think we'll all admit was our glaring problem in 
> 2007).
>
> George
> -- 
>  George Rapp  (Columbus, OH) Home: george.rapp -- at -- gmail.com
>    Work: george.rapp -- at -- eds.com (or) george.rapp -- at -- dfas.mil
> The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape
>    finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.  - Marcus Aurelius
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From Kaufsss at aol.com  Mon Dec  3 16:00:25 2007
From: Kaufsss at aol.com (Kaufsss@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec  3 15:50:19 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
Message-ID: <d04.21a408b5.3485d679@aol.com>

 
 


The guys at Unsportsmanlike Conduct are saying the staff will be 
Offense
Gilmore - TE or WR coach
Watson - OC
Barney Cotton - OL
Ron Brown - WR or TE or RB
Not Hired - RB or somewhere offense
 
Defense
Bo Pelini DC/HC
Carl Pelini
Sanders 
Not Hired - ??Jimmy Williams??/  Linebackers
Not Hired -
 
Also - They say Pelini will coach the Nat Champ Game - but they are  lobbying 
for him to do that only if he is dressed in Husker gear frrom head to  toe!!!!
 
 
 
Steve  Kauf
A Husker fan deep in South Texas
NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE  ACTION
NOT THE GOAL BUT THE GAME
IN THE DEED THE GLORY

 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/3/2007 3:47:39 PM Central Standard Time,  
huskertt@charter.net writes:

I've  mentioned the Yards/Play before, which I believe is the most 
significant  statistic.  The current offense rivals that of Tom Osborne's  
teams.

If you just want to look at Scoring Offense, you can see  that the program is 
on the right track.  If the defense had been at  least mediocre this year, 
the team would have been in the top 10, in my  opinion.

2007 - 28th
2006 - 17th
2005 - 67th
2004 -  58th
2003 - 74th
2002 - 59th
2001 - 7th
2000 - 4th
1999 -  12th
1998 - 23rd
1997 - 1st
1996 - 4th



Tommy  Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George  Rapp" <george.rapp@gmail.com>
To: "Huskers List"  <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:38 AM
Subject:  Re: [Husker] Assistants


> On Dec 3, 2007 7:59 AM, j j  <jjj112665@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> There is one name there  that I do not want to see as a Nebraska assistant
>> again. That is  Shawn Watson. I do not understand everyones obsession with
>> this  man. Let him go coach somewhere else. What has he done at NU to make 
 
>> so
>> many like him or think he can  coach?
>>
>
> He contributed to a steady rise in the  offensive production, for one
> example.  From  http://d1afootball.com/stat.php, under Total Offense, here 
> is
>  where the 'Huskers ranked:
>
> 2003: 83rd (OC: Norvell)
>  2004: 69th (OC: Norvell)
> 2005: 96th (OC: Norvell)
> 2006: 14th  (OC: Norvell)
> 2007: 11th (OC: Watson)
>
> Of course, this  isn't the statistic that matters -- only the points on the
> board at  the end of the game do -- but it is clearly indicative of an
> improving  trend.  The 2003-05 examples also show the effect of sacking the
>  entire offensive staff.  There is no continuity; players must learn a  new
> offense from scratch; and production suffers.
>
>  OTOH, by keeping Watson as OC, there is at least some continuity and
>  stability for the returning players, and Bo has the chance to keep the
>  offensive production trend going positive, while he concentrates on  fixing
> the defense (which I think we'll all admit was our glaring  problem in 
> 2007).
>
> George
> -- 
>   George Rapp  (Columbus, OH) Home: george.rapp -- at --  gmail.com
>    Work: george.rapp -- at -- eds.com (or)  george.rapp -- at -- dfas.mil
> The object of life is not to be on the  side of the majority, but to escape
>    finding oneself in  the ranks of the insane.  - Marcus Aurelius
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From huskertt at charter.net  Mon Dec  3 16:01:45 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Mon Dec  3 15:55:19 2007
Subject: [Husker] Assistants
References: <d04.21a408b5.3485d679@aol.com>
Message-ID: <013601c835f8$1a2edee0$6901a8c0@Husker>

That would be hilarious.  Just as good would be if he wore purple, and then ripped it off (ala Superman) at the end of the game...assuming LSU wins.

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kaufsss@aol.com 
  To: huskertt@charter.net ; husker@tssi.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 4:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Husker] Assistants




  The guys at Unsportsmanlike Conduct are saying the staff will be 
  Offense
  Gilmore - TE or WR coach
  Watson - OC
  Barney Cotton - OL
  Ron Brown - WR or TE or RB
  Not Hired - RB or somewhere offense

  Defense
  Bo Pelini DC/HC
  Carl Pelini
  Sanders 
  Not Hired - ??Jimmy Williams??/  Linebackers
  Not Hired -

  Also - They say Pelini will coach the Nat Champ Game - but they are lobbying for him to do that only if he is dressed in Husker gear frrom head to toe!!!!


  Steve Kauf
  A Husker fan deep in South Texas
  NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE ACTION
  NOT THE GOAL BUT THE GAME
  IN THE DEED THE GLORY






  In a message dated 12/3/2007 3:47:39 PM Central Standard Time, huskertt@charter.net writes:
    I've mentioned the Yards/Play before, which I believe is the most 
    significant statistic.  The current offense rivals that of Tom Osborne's 
    teams.

    If you just want to look at Scoring Offense, you can see that the program is 
    on the right track.  If the defense had been at least mediocre this year, 
    the team would have been in the top 10, in my opinion.

    2007 - 28th
    2006 - 17th
    2005 - 67th
    2004 - 58th
    2003 - 74th
    2002 - 59th
    2001 - 7th
    2000 - 4th
    1999 - 12th
    1998 - 23rd
    1997 - 1st
    1996 - 4th



    Tommy Thompson
    "GO BIG RED"
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "George Rapp" <george.rapp@gmail.com>
    To: "Huskers List" <husker@tssi.com>
    Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:38 AM
    Subject: Re: [Husker] Assistants


    > On Dec 3, 2007 7:59 AM, j j <jjj112665@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> There is one name there that I do not want to see as a Nebraska assistant
    >> again. That is Shawn Watson. I do not understand everyones obsession with
    >> this man. Let him go coach somewhere else. What has he done at NU to make 
    >> so
    >> many like him or think he can coach?
    >>
    >
    > He contributed to a steady rise in the offensive production, for one
    > example.  From http://d1afootball.com/stat.php, under Total Offense, here 
    > is
    > where the 'Huskers ranked:
    >
    > 2003: 83rd (OC: Norvell)
    > 2004: 69th (OC: Norvell)
    > 2005: 96th (OC: Norvell)
    > 2006: 14th (OC: Norvell)
    > 2007: 11th (OC: Watson)
    >
    > Of course, this isn't the statistic that matters -- only the points on the
    > board at the end of the game do -- but it is clearly indicative of an
    > improving trend.  The 2003-05 examples also show the effect of sacking the
    > entire offensive staff.  There is no continuity; players must learn a new
    > offense from scratch; and production suffers.
    >
    > OTOH, by keeping Watson as OC, there is at least some continuity and
    > stability for the returning players, and Bo has the chance to keep the
    > offensive production trend going positive, while he concentrates on fixing
    > the defense (which I think we'll all admit was our glaring problem in 
    > 2007).
    >
    > George
    > -- 
    >  George Rapp  (Columbus, OH) Home: george.rapp -- at -- gmail.com
    >    Work: george.rapp -- at -- eds.com (or) george.rapp -- at -- dfas.mil
    > The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape
    >    finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.  - Marcus Aurelius
    > _______________________________________________
    > husker site list
    > husker@tssi.com
    > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
    > 


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From jocar26 at cox.net  Mon Dec  3 16:09:18 2007
From: jocar26 at cox.net (jocar26@cox.net)
Date: Mon Dec  3 15:59:07 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to coach LSU in title game?
In-Reply-To: <16ee270e0712030933tf5c16dfy3f1c31618390359f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071203170918.O9M2I.195943.root@eastrmwml20.mgt.cox.net>


---- Mark Landin <marklandin@gmail.com> wrote: 
> On 12/3/07, Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Both Corso and Holtz agree with you (and me) on this.
> > So that probably
> > clinches it, right?
> 
> Well, if Corso and Holtz are agreeing with me, it means I need to
> re-evaluate my position. :)
Only if Beno Cook agrees with you as well ;-)
> 
> -- 
> "If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
> would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland
> 
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From marklandin at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 16:16:02 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Mon Dec  3 16:05:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
In-Reply-To: <BLU122-DAV68C41324AEA96E2924230806C0@phx.gbl>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712021808420.12007@linus.heise.nu>
	<f1f3dd8f0712021641u433830efk5712f506dc463571@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12/3/07, JEN_SENS <answerman1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I would almost bet anything Turner isn't going anywhere this year. He feels
> a great deal of loyalty to his players in Buffalo. (What a concept)

Wouldn't that make any coach who changes schools disloyal to his
current players?
-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From gbrlist at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  3 16:19:03 2007
From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Mon Dec  3 16:08:13 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2 (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200712032027.lB3KRxB3010878@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200712032027.lB3KRxB3010878@romaine.tssi.com>
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> Although most of the after-the-fact coverage of that game repeats the
> mantra that a tie would have assured Nebraska a national championship,
> the history of the voters back then suggests that may not have been the 
> case.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 

I agree with this.  The whole "tie the game = NC" is revisionist history.  I remember the game and the aftermath quite well and no one was talking up this idea.  That game later.  I don't know who started it but it was quickly adopted by Nebraska fans to further emphasize the size of TO's nads in playing for the win.

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From drr at livgenmi.com  Mon Dec  3 17:00:53 2007
From: drr at livgenmi.com (Don Rietsch)
Date: Mon Dec  3 16:49:48 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
In-Reply-To: <p06210224c37a1421a783@[10.30.5.83]>
Message-ID: <20071203230057.3B5631C1F7@gw.tssi.com>

Steve Stone says Dr. Tom spent the last few months assessing all viable
candidates, selected 4 or 5 to interview, and hired the one who fit NU's
needs the most.

I believe TO is the greatest College football coach of all time.  I know he
spent time considering as many coaches as possible and I doubt he has ever
read a www site.  I just think it's "dramatic" that he came up with the
exact same names the people on this site did.  What an incredible
coincidence.  Maybe TO is a lister on this site and we don't know it.
(Maybe Sue Smith is really Dr. Tom...) My read on this is the search may not
have been as extensive as we think it was, but done in haste to prevent a
recruiting disaster, etc. 

I like Pelini and hope he is indeed the best guy out there for the job.

Don 


-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Steve Stone
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:24 PM
To: 'Husker List'
Subject: RE: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...

Don Rietsch wrote:

(snip)

>I'm disappointed with the hire.  I have nothing against Pelini and hope he
>is the savior everyone in the state is hoping for.  My disappointment is it
>seems to me that TO came into the AD office, sat down, and asked his new
>secretary: "What's the news out there on the street?  Go to husker@tssi.com
>and read all the posts since the news came out about the pending firing of
>BC.  Give me the names of the coaches the list members want or think would
>be good."  She came back with:  "Dr. Tom, the list says Pelini, Gill,
Grobe,
>and Brian Kelly, with Pelini the favorite and Gill close behind."  So Dr.
>Tom went out and interviewed Pelini, Gill, Grobe and (rumored) Kelly.  He
>chose Pelini.  H_ll, this list could have done this job w/o interviewing a
>single candidate. 
>I was hoping the clever and cunning Dr. Tom would beat the bushes in
college
>football and come up with a hire that would surprise and absolutely knock
my
>socks off.  A guy or gal (wouldn't that have been a bold move) that has
been
>operating under the radar, a diamond in the rough like many of the players
>TO recruited, with an incredible record in HS and college football and Dr.
>Tom was a genius for uncovering him/her.

Odd, but I get exactly the opposite reading from the situation: the 
clever and cunning Dr. Tom knew immediately after the USC game (or 
the ISU game at the latest) that the Rubicon had been crossed and 
there was no turning back.
So, in his mind he assessed all possible viable candidates and by the 
time he was appointed Interim AD he had narrowed them down to, say, 
four or five.

Then it became a question of juggling schedules and personalities to 
determine the right man for the moment and, we hope, for the long 
term. In my view, Dr. Tom's immediate goal was to establish stability 
in the program and confidence within the fan base.

If we're looking for drama, we'd better stick to Stephen King flicks.
:-)

Steve Stone

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From theo at heise.nu  Mon Dec  3 19:21:02 2007
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Mon Dec  3 19:10:56 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Mark Landin wrote:
> On 12/3/07, JEN_SENS <answerman1@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> I would almost bet anything Turner isn't going anywhere this 
>> year. He feels a great deal of loyalty to his players in Buffalo. 
>> (What a concept)
>
> Wouldn't that make any coach who changes schools disloyal to his 
> current players?

It may depend a bit on the sort of commitment the coach has made to 
his players.  For example, if a coach has reached a point where he 
feels prepared (and maybe called) to be thinking about going to the 
next level, he may temper what he tells his players for a year or 
two.

-- 
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From theo at heise.nu  Mon Dec  3 19:22:49 2007
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Mon Dec  3 19:12:41 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
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Gerald, this is exactly what I was trying to say, thanks for 
expressing it so well.

Ted


On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, JEN_SENS wrote:

> I would almost bet anything Turner isn't going anywhere this year. 
> He feels a great deal of loyalty to his players in Buffalo. (What 
> a concept) There is a desire to finish what he started. I believe 
> the Nebraska job would have been a difficult decision for him.
>
> I think somewhere along the way someone with a great deal of 
> influence in his life, taught him that the joy is in the journey, 
> not the destination.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Rapp" <george.rapp@gmail.com>
>> On Dec 2, 2007 6:13 PM, Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not displeased with the choice of Bo Pelini, but had truly 
>>> hoped it would be Turner Gill.  Any thoughts on why it wasn't 
>>> Turner?
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing the job may have been Turner's if he wanted it, but 
>>> he turned it down because he didn't believe it would be right to 
>>> leave Buffalo yet.
>> 
>> Stay tuned -- I don't think we're done with press conferences by 
>> the eponymous occupant (one of them, anyway) of the Tom and Nancy 
>> Osborne Center.
>> 
>> I noticed this in the Friday, 30 November email from Mike Osborne 
>> (Best of Big Red/Husker Video):
>> 
>> It appears a position will open up soon on the football side of 
>> athletic administration which may make room for another former 
>> Husker to return to the program in an important leadership 
>> position. More on that in the next few days...
>> 
>> 
>> I've attached the entire email to add context to the discussion. 
>> I'm not an employee or agent of the companies named therein, and 
>> no endorsement is expressed or implied by attaching the file to 
>> this message.  (Can you tell I work with a lot of contracts? 
>> 8^)
>> 
>> This came out after the announcement that Tim Cassidy (Assistant 
>> AD for Football) was leaving for aTm, though I believe it was 
>> written before the announcement.  Although Dave Rimington is 
>> rumored to be the heir apparent who will fill this position, 
>> Gill's name has also emerged as a possibility. (It's admittedly a 
>> stretch -- Turner may not be ready to leave coaching yet for an 
>> administrative position -- but it's one way by which Tom Osborne 
>> can "get" both Pelini and Gill into the program.)

From theo at heise.nu  Mon Dec  3 19:27:16 2007
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Mon Dec  3 19:17:07 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Schammel, Wayne P wrote:

>>> TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when 
>>> he should have settled for the tie and the National 
>>> Championship.
>
>> I don't post here very often, but this statement really bothers 
>> me. As one of the "older" fans (I remember when Devaney came to 
>> Lincoln), I've always felt that the decision to go for two 
>> against Miami was a defining moment in Tom's career and a seminal 
>> event in Nebraska football. He could have taken the easy way out 
>> and gotten the glory but he wanted to win it on the field, in my 
>> opinion, the honorable way. That was a quality rarely seen in the 
>> day and even less now. At the time, I was disappointed that we 
>> lost but I don't know if I've ever been prouder to be a Husker. I 
>> think it was viewed as a "heroic decision" by fans around the 
>> nation and I've heard more than one coach say he wished he had 
>> the guts to make a decision like that. I just don't understand 
>> how anyone could say it was a "bad decision".
>>
>> Dave Melvin
>> Columbus, OH
>
> I also am an old fart (Class of 71) and clearly the 84 OB was the 
> most disappointing loss I ever experienced as a Husker fan.  I had 
> mixed emotions about Osborne going for 2 that day.  Clearly, it 
> was gutsy and heroic and many non-Nebraska fans admired his 
> decision.  On the other hand, I distinctly recall Tom saying 
> afterwards that he did not realize that going for 1 and settling 
> for the tie (no OT then) would get Nebraska the MNC.

Knowing Dr. Osborne's sense of humor and self-deprecatory nature, I 
have to think if he said anything along these lines he was making 
light of the situation.

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From theo at heise.nu  Mon Dec  3 19:30:04 2007
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Mon Dec  3 19:19:59 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2 (fwd)
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Mike Nolan wrote:

> I'm old enough I still remember the controversy over the 10-10 tie 
> between Michigan State and Notre Dame back in 1966.

Let's see, being old enough to remember might be true, but if you're 
considering being able to "still remember" the important factor is 
probably being young enough.  :)

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 19:33:17 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Mon Dec  3 19:22:08 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
In-Reply-To: <364047.77805.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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I have to agree with you. Today it would be stupid since you could kick it and go to overtime. DUH!




Sue Smith <huskerdana@yahoo.com> wrote: Let me see if I can clarify my point.  Go for 2 and make it = National Championship, miss it = No National Championship.  Go for 1 = National Championship.  You only needed one point to be the National Champion.
   
  Instead of TO getting his first National Championship, Miami got theirs.  
   
  It was as bad of a decision then, as it would be today! 
   
   
  

Matt Phillips  wrote:
  Folks, 99% of the list agrees with you. Probably 100% - someone is just
trying to get a rise out of the list (and it's getting old..)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Schammel, Wayne P
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:53 AM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [Husker] Going for 2
> 
> 
> >TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he
> should have 
> >settled for the tie and the National Championship.
> 
> >>I don't post here very often, but this statement really 
> bothers me. As
> one of the "older" fans (I remember >>when Devaney came to 
> Lincoln), I've always felt that the decision to go for two 
> against Miami was a >>defining moment in Tom's career and a 
> seminal event in Nebraska football. He could have taken the 
> easy way >>out and gotten the glory but he wanted to win it 
> on the field, in my opinion, the honorable way.
> That was a >>quality rarely seen in the day and even less 
> now. At the time, I was disappointed that we lost but I don't 
> >>know if I've ever been prouder to be a Husker. I think it 
> was viewed as a "heroic decision" by fans around >>the nation 
> and I've heard more than one coach say he wished he had the 
> guts to make a decision like that. I >>just don't understand 
> how anyone could say it was a "bad decision".
> 
> >>Dave Melvin
> >>Columbus, OH
> 
> 
> I also am an old fart (Class of 71) and clearly the 84 OB was 
> the most disappointing loss I ever experienced as a Husker 
> fan. I had mixed emotions about Osborne going for 2 that 
> day. Clearly, it was gutsy and heroic and many non-Nebraska 
> fans admired his decision. On the other hand, I distinctly 
> recall Tom saying afterwards that he did not realize that 
> going for 1 and settling for the tie (no OT then) would get 
> Nebraska the MNC. Everyone assumes he went for two as some 
> sort of noble thing but I really believe that, if he had 
> known that a tie would get him the MNC, he would have kicked 
> it instead of going for it.
> 
> I liked the call (although my heart was pounding out of my 
> chest at the
> time) but hated the disappointing result; he had to wait 
> another 11 years for his first title when I really believe we 
> could have won at least two national titles in 81, 82 and 83 
> but ended up with none.
> 
> That said, he was a great coach and did a heck of a job in 
> picking the new coach, in my humble opinion. It was quick, 
> decisive and, mark my words, we will be a top 25 team next 
> year without a doubt, maybe even top 10.
> 
> Wayne
> 
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From surf4evr at msn.com  Mon Dec  3 19:48:25 2007
From: surf4evr at msn.com (Michael J Schultz)
Date: Mon Dec  3 19:37:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
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I agree with Sue that a KU - Hawaii game will be a better match up. However,I disagree with her that Georgia will pound Hawaii. I believe Hawaii will actually win this game.Colt Brennan & his receivers are the best in the country. I do not believe Georgia will be able to stop them.Michael J. Schultz Surf4evr@msn.com 

> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:11:05 -0800> From: huskerdana@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?> To: buckley@hawaii.edu; fourtwophd@gmail.com> CC: husker@tssi.com> > Interesting. I would have thought Hawaii would have been ranked higher than NU sometime in the last 4 years. Hawaii has had some very good football teams recently. > > FWIW, I think Georgia will pound Hawaii. KU - Hawaii would have been a better matchup for them. > > Brent Buckley <buckley@hawaii.edu> wrote:> > Mandatory Nebraska reference. This is the first time in 20 years that> Hawaii has had a higher ranking than Nebraska. Geez, thanks Coz, Bill and> Steve. The good thing for Hawaii, is they've now got something to talk> about other than the time they beat Nebraska in 1955.> > > _______________________________________________> husker site list> husker@tssi.com> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker> > > > ---------------------------------> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.> _______________________________________________> husker site list> husker@tssi.com> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
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From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Mon Dec  3 19:53:05 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Mon Dec  3 19:41:57 2007
Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
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Be a little more specific in defining a "big time" winning record. 

Only rotten Husker fans would ever get rid of a coach who didn't have a winning record after 3-4 years? 

How odd that Pelini wouldn't bring up his fate if he fails miserably for 4 years? That is usually a given at a coaches 1st press conference.

The last 4 years were all Osborne's fault?

I just finished checking years of past posts. Pat has never been wrong.

I don't think anyone was trying to "nail you to the wall". It is just so uncommon for you to be incorrect that many of us are astounded.

Mike
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>Subject: Re: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
>
> 
> 
>--- Source message ---
>From: "Pat Gaule" <pgaule@cox.net>
>Sent: 12/2/2007 16:53:00
>Subject: [Husker] Hopefully Bob Beach wasn't a betting man...
> 
> 
>Bob on 10/15/07
> 
>Ouch...hopefully Bob can come around from that opinion.  I, for one, am 
>proud to see Bo wearing red once again!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     Ya know Pat if you think it is great to nail me to the wall then do it. 
>     I assume you feel you can never be wrong.  You had to go way back in the
>     archives to get that one.  I said that when Pederson was AD with no way
>     of knowing what was going to happen.  At that time I didn't think Pelini
>     himself would want anything to do with NU.  Once TO was named AD of
>     course everything changed.  I don't like the hire of Pelini at all.  But,
>     TO should know what he is doing even though TO recommended Steve
>     Pedersdon which is the major reason Pederson was AD in the first place. 
>     I watched the press conference but one thing Bo didn't address.  That was
>     if he doesn't have a big time winning record in 3-4 years his butt will
>     be run out of town just like Callahan's was.  Welcome to Nebraska Bo.  
> 
> 
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From python3955 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  3 20:14:59 2007
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Mon Dec  3 20:04:25 2007
Subject: Fw: [Husker] Going for 2
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV15AA2C4B8653C12BB8912D16D0@phx.gbl>

<snip>
>> decision.  On the other hand, I distinctly recall Tom saying afterwards 
>> that he did not realize that going for 1 and settling for the tie (no OT 
>> then) would get Nebraska the MNC.
>
> Knowing Dr. Osborne's sense of humor and self-deprecatory nature, I have 
> to think if he said anything along these lines he was making light of the 
> situation.
>
> -- 
> Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA
>

I  remember TO making a statement along those same lines. I thought he said 
something like "at the time nobody said a tie would have given us the 
National Championship or we probably would have kicked it.....we went into 
that game with the intention of winning, so there really was no other 
decision" or something like that. I took it as a bit of humor, and then 
stating that he would have gone for the win no matter what.

At least that is how my feeble mind remembers it!!


Bo Big Red!!
:)

Monty 

From surf4evr at msn.com  Mon Dec  3 20:16:20 2007
From: surf4evr at msn.com (Michael J Schultz)
Date: Mon Dec  3 20:05:32 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
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I recent read an article that stated Hawaii tried to schedule teams like
Michigan this year but they wanted App State instead and loss, they called USC but they
did not want any part of Colt Brennan, they also had Mich St on their schedule this year but Mich St
opted out of it to play a D-II team instead.
 
Then look at Ohio State which happens to slide into the BCS game that played
Youngstown State Univ, Akron, and Kent State and no real competition in the Big Ten this year. 
They had a very soft schedule and probably have the same results again like last years game.
 
I feel for teams like Boise St and Hawaii that try to play the Big Schools but if they have
a good teams they will not play you because they are afraid to lose and be embarrassed.
The BCS in my opinion is a joke. College football needs a playoff system so everyone has 
a chance to be a champion no matter what conference you are in.
 
 
Michael J. Schultz 
Surf4evr@msn.com 



> Subject: RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:23:55 -0500> From: SLawson@uamail.albany.edu> To: reggie@kearney.net; husker@tssi.com> CC: > > Since they are in a perceived 'weaker' conference the only way for teams> like Hawaii to improve their status in the voters' eyes and the BCS> standings is to schedule higher profile teams out of their conference. I> know this is sometimes difficult because most teams have little to gain> by scheduling teams like Boise St. and Hawaii, but unfortunately that's> the way it goes. The system essentially sucks unless you belong to one> of the major conferences. > > It always makes me chuckle when the teams from weaker (or mid major)> conferences moan and groan about being excluded from the big games, when> at the beginning of the season they all knew they were in a weak> conference and the BCS rules have been in place for several seasons now> (as silly as they are). Again, I'm not saying the BCS system is a good> one (it is far from it) but these teams should lobby or try to do> something about it before they go 11-0.> > And as much as I dislike Missouri, they really got boned by the BCS when> it picked Kansas for the Orange Bowl, in my opinion.> > Scott in NY> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf> Of marc> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 4:00 PM> To: husker@tssi.com> Subject: RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?> > I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule wasn't the greatest, but can't> we> say the same thing about Ohio State???> > Youngstown St.> Akron> Washington> Northwestern> Minnesota> Purdue> Kent State> > >> > On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart <fourtwophd@gmail.com> wrote:> >> >> If you win all your games, the polls take care of themselves.> >> > - Unless you are Hawaii.> >> > Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone realizes that their> > schedule> > didn't qualify them to be a contender. They barely beat 3 fairly poor> > teams> > on the road, could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who> > knows> > what might have happened in overtime. But they did manage to win and> who> > knows they might pull a Boise State and beat disappointed Georgia in> the> > Sugar bowl.> > > _______________________________________________> husker site list> husker@tssi.com> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker> > _______________________________________________> husker site list> husker@tssi.com> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
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From python3955 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  3 20:30:54 2007
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Mon Dec  3 20:20:18 2007
Subject: Fw: [Husker] Assistants
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That is pretty much what this article says also......
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/03/huskerextra/football/doc4754909bdeac5225847546.txt

And this one spotted Barney Cotton in Lincoln....
http://www.ketv.com/bigredzone/14757792/detail.html

Monty


> The guys at Unsportsmanlike Conduct are saying the staff will be
> Offense
> Gilmore - TE or WR coach
> Watson - OC
> Barney Cotton - OL
> Ron Brown - WR or TE or RB
> Not Hired - RB or somewhere offense
>
> Defense
> Bo Pelini DC/HC
> Carl Pelini
> Sanders
> Not Hired - ??Jimmy Williams??/  Linebackers
> Not Hired -
>
> Also - They say Pelini will coach the Nat Champ Game - but they are 
> lobbying
> for him to do that only if he is dressed in Husker gear frrom head to 
> toe!!!!
>
>
>
> Steve  Kauf
> A Husker fan deep in South Texas
> NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE  ACTION
> NOT THE GOAL BUT THE GAME
> IN THE DEED THE GLORY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/3/2007 3:47:39 PM Central Standard Time,
> huskertt@charter.net writes:
>
> I've  mentioned the Yards/Play before, which I believe is the most
> significant  statistic.  The current offense rivals that of Tom Osborne's
> teams.
>
> If you just want to look at Scoring Offense, you can see  that the program 
> is
> on the right track.  If the defense had been at  least mediocre this year,
> the team would have been in the top 10, in my  opinion.
>
> 2007 - 28th
> 2006 - 17th
> 2005 - 67th
> 2004 -  58th
> 2003 - 74th
> 2002 - 59th
> 2001 - 7th
> 2000 - 4th
> 1999 -  12th
> 1998 - 23rd
> 1997 - 1st
> 1996 - 4th
>
>
>
> Tommy  Thompson
> "GO BIG RED"
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George  Rapp" <george.rapp@gmail.com>
> To: "Huskers List"  <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:38 AM
> Subject:  Re: [Husker] Assistants
>
>
>> On Dec 3, 2007 7:59 AM, j j  <jjj112665@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There is one name there  that I do not want to see as a Nebraska 
>>> assistant
>>> again. That is  Shawn Watson. I do not understand everyones obsession 
>>> with
>>> this  man. Let him go coach somewhere else. What has he done at NU to 
>>> make
>
>>> so
>>> many like him or think he can  coach?
>>>
>>
>> He contributed to a steady rise in the  offensive production, for one
>> example.  From  http://d1afootball.com/stat.php, under Total Offense, 
>> here
>> is
>>  where the 'Huskers ranked:
>>
>> 2003: 83rd (OC: Norvell)
>>  2004: 69th (OC: Norvell)
>> 2005: 96th (OC: Norvell)
>> 2006: 14th  (OC: Norvell)
>> 2007: 11th (OC: Watson)
>>
>> Of course, this  isn't the statistic that matters -- only the points on 
>> the
>> board at  the end of the game do -- but it is clearly indicative of an
>> improving  trend.  The 2003-05 examples also show the effect of sacking 
>> the
>>  entire offensive staff.  There is no continuity; players must learn a 
>> new
>> offense from scratch; and production suffers.
>>
>>  OTOH, by keeping Watson as OC, there is at least some continuity and
>>  stability for the returning players, and Bo has the chance to keep the
>>  offensive production trend going positive, while he concentrates on 
>> fixing
>> the defense (which I think we'll all admit was our glaring  problem in
>> 2007).
>>
>> George
>> -- 
>>   George Rapp  (Columbus, OH) Home: george.rapp -- at --  gmail.com
>>    Work: george.rapp -- at -- eds.com (or)  george.rapp -- at -- dfas.mil
>> The object of life is not to be on the  side of the majority, but to 
>> escape
>>    finding oneself in  the ranks of the insane.  - Marcus Aurelius
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From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Mon Dec  3 21:05:46 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Mon Dec  3 20:54:36 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
Message-ID: <982013.7406.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Get real Michael. You can't really mean that.  Hawaii doesn't belong on the field with Georgia any more than Boise St belonged on the field with Oklahoma last ye. . . . 
Wait . . . .   Nevermind.
[NOTE:  for COF's out there - humor intended]

Seriously however, if KU-'Bows are a better matchup and UH will beat UG, are you suggesting KU is better than the Dawgs or is this one of those non-transitive comparison BS?

Duane


----- Original Message ----
From: Michael J Schultz surf4evr@msn.com

I agree with Sue that a KU - Hawaii game will be a better match up. However,I disagree with her that Georgia will pound Hawaii. I believe Hawaii will actually win this game.Colt Brennan & his receivers are the best in the country. I do not believe Georgia will be able to stop them.Michael J. Schultz Surf4evr@msn.com
From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 21:19:04 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Mon Dec  3 21:08:10 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-W34D7F85F00AA86FFE49C94826D0@phx.gbl>
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I don't think that the BCS is a joke as much as all these schools  
scheduling garbage and selling it to fans. Big teams don't want to  
schedule Hawaii and they want all home games because they're all  
addicted to mounds of cash.

Look at Nebraska's 2008 schedule. Virginia Tech is decent, then you  
get Western Michigan, San Jose State, and New Mexico State, none of  
which finished with a winning record this season, but all willing to  
come to Lincoln.

As long as we keep buying what the college presidents are selling,  
this is what we're going to get.

This will continue to get worse and as costs go up, i.e. coach's  
salaries increase, facilities/arms race continues, there will be a  
crisis in college football in the next five to ten years.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:16 PM, Michael J Schultz wrote:

> I recent read an article that stated Hawaii tried to schedule teams  
> like
> Michigan this year but they wanted App State instead and loss, they  
> called USC but they
> did not want any part of Colt Brennan, they also had Mich St on  
> their schedule this year but Mich St
> opted out of it to play a D-II team instead.
>
> Then look at Ohio State which happens to slide into the BCS game  
> that played
> Youngstown State Univ, Akron, and Kent State and no real competition  
> in the Big Ten this year.
> They had a very soft schedule and probably have the same results  
> again like last years game.
>
> I feel for teams like Boise St and Hawaii that try to play the Big  
> Schools but if they have
> a good teams they will not play you because they are afraid to lose  
> and be embarrassed.
> The BCS in my opinion is a joke. College football needs a playoff  
> system so everyone has
> a chance to be a champion no matter what conference you are in.
>
>
> Michael J. Schultz
> Surf4evr@msn.com
>
>
>
>> Subject: RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007  
>> 15:23:55 -0500> From: SLawson@uamail.albany.edu> To: reggie@kearney.net 
>> ; husker@tssi.com> CC: > > Since they are in a perceived 'weaker'  
>> conference the only way for teams> like Hawaii to improve their  
>> status in the voters' eyes and the BCS> standings is to schedule  
>> higher profile teams out of their conference. I> know this is  
>> sometimes difficult because most teams have little to gain> by  
>> scheduling teams like Boise St. and Hawaii, but unfortunately  
>> that's> the way it goes. The system essentially sucks unless you  
>> belong to one> of the major conferences. > > It always makes me  
>> chuckle when the teams from weaker (or mid major)> conferences moan  
>> and groan about being excluded from the big games, when> at the  
>> beginning of the season they all knew they were in a weak>  
>> conference and the BCS rules have been in place for several seasons  
>> now> (as silly as they are). Again, I'm not saying the BCS system  
>> is a good> one (it is far from it) but these teams should lobby or  
>> try to do> something about it before they go 11-0.> > And as much  
>> as I dislike Missouri, they really got boned by the BCS when> it  
>> picked Kansas for the Orange Bowl, in my opinion.> > Scott in NY> >  
>> > > -----Original Message-----> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com 
>> ] On Behalf> Of marc> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 4:00 PM> To: husker@tssi.com 
>> > Subject: RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?> > I don't disagree that  
>> Hawaii's schedule wasn't the greatest, but can't> we> say the same  
>> thing about Ohio State???> > Youngstown St.> Akron> Washington>  
>> Northwestern> Minnesota> Purdue> Kent State> > >> > On 12/3/07,  
>> Scott Stewart <fourtwophd@gmail.com> wrote:> >> >> If you win all  
>> your games, the polls take care of themselves.> >> > - Unless you  
>> are Hawaii.> >> > Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone  
>> realizes that their> > schedule> > didn't qualify them to be a  
>> contender. They barely beat 3 fairly poor> > teams> > on the road,  
>> could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who> > knows>  
>> > what might have happened in overtime. But they did manage to win  
>> and> who> > knows they might pull a Boise State and beat  
>> disappointed Georgia in> the> > Sugar bowl.> > >  
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From answerman1 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  3 21:19:59 2007
From: answerman1 at hotmail.com (JEN_SENS)
Date: Mon Dec  3 21:09:17 2007
Subject: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712021808420.12007@linus.heise.nu>
	<f1f3dd8f0712021641u433830efk5712f506dc463571@mail.gmail.com>
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	<16ee270e0712031416v2c4b9e08q41d32f4b31de06a9@mail.gmail.com>
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No, I think the point is Turner is not saying, "I am only here until 
something better opens up then my butt is out of this cesspool." I think 
people understand leaving for the dream job. It is the coach who is always 
looking for the next rung up the ladder without concern to his players or 
assistants.

Gerald.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Landin" <marklandin@gmail.com>
To: "JEN_SENS" <answerman1@hotmail.com>
Cc: "Husker List" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Why not Turner Gill?

> Wouldn't that make any coach who changes schools disloyal to his
> current players? 

From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 22:24:49 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Mon Dec  3 22:13:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
In-Reply-To: <982013.7406.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <982508.6267.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

All football games are transitive.  In fact NU beat ISU who beat CU who beat OU who beat Mizzou twice who beat Illinois who beat Ohio State.  We could have beeen  in the BCS title game twice this season! 

Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net> wrote:  Get real Michael. You can't really mean that. Hawaii doesn't belong on the field with Georgia any more than Boise St belonged on the field with Oklahoma last ye. . . . 
Wait . . . . Nevermind.
[NOTE: for COF's out there - humor intended]

Seriously however, if KU-'Bows are a better matchup and UH will beat UG, are you suggesting KU is better than the Dawgs or is this one of those non-transitive comparison BS?

Duane


----- Original Message ----
From: Michael J Schultz surf4evr@msn.com

I agree with Sue that a KU - Hawaii game will be a better match up. However,I disagree with her that Georgia will pound Hawaii. I believe Hawaii will actually win this game.Colt Brennan & his receivers are the best in the country. I do not believe Georgia will be able to stop them.Michael J. Schultz Surf4evr@msn.com
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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 22:25:55 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Mon Dec  3 22:14:48 2007
Subject: Fw: [Husker] Assistants
In-Reply-To: <BAY116-DAV13BF0829D52A4F2DC0A270D16D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <450283.89514.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Is there room for any new blood on the staff?  

Monty Perry <python3955@hotmail.com> wrote:  That is pretty much what this article says also......
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/03/huskerextra/football/doc4754909bdeac5225847546.txt

And this one spotted Barney Cotton in Lincoln....
http://www.ketv.com/bigredzone/14757792/detail.html

Monty


> The guys at Unsportsmanlike Conduct are saying the staff will be
> Offense
> Gilmore - TE or WR coach
> Watson - OC
> Barney Cotton - OL
> Ron Brown - WR or TE or RB
> Not Hired - RB or somewhere offense
>
> Defense
> Bo Pelini DC/HC
> Carl Pelini
> Sanders
> Not Hired - ??Jimmy Williams??/ Linebackers
> Not Hired -
>
> Also - They say Pelini will coach the Nat Champ Game - but they are 
> lobbying
> for him to do that only if he is dressed in Husker gear frrom head to 
> toe!!!!
>
>
>
> Steve Kauf
> A Husker fan deep in South Texas
> NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE ACTION
> NOT THE GOAL BUT THE GAME
> IN THE DEED THE GLORY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/3/2007 3:47:39 PM Central Standard Time,
> huskertt@charter.net writes:
>
> I've mentioned the Yards/Play before, which I believe is the most
> significant statistic. The current offense rivals that of Tom Osborne's
> teams.
>
> If you just want to look at Scoring Offense, you can see that the program 
> is
> on the right track. If the defense had been at least mediocre this year,
> the team would have been in the top 10, in my opinion.
>
> 2007 - 28th
> 2006 - 17th
> 2005 - 67th
> 2004 - 58th
> 2003 - 74th
> 2002 - 59th
> 2001 - 7th
> 2000 - 4th
> 1999 - 12th
> 1998 - 23rd
> 1997 - 1st
> 1996 - 4th
>
>
>
> Tommy Thompson
> "GO BIG RED"
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Rapp" 
> To: "Huskers List" 
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Assistants
>
>
>> On Dec 3, 2007 7:59 AM, j j wrote:
>>
>>> There is one name there that I do not want to see as a Nebraska 
>>> assistant
>>> again. That is Shawn Watson. I do not understand everyones obsession 
>>> with
>>> this man. Let him go coach somewhere else. What has he done at NU to 
>>> make
>
>>> so
>>> many like him or think he can coach?
>>>
>>
>> He contributed to a steady rise in the offensive production, for one
>> example. From http://d1afootball.com/stat.php, under Total Offense, 
>> here
>> is
>> where the 'Huskers ranked:
>>
>> 2003: 83rd (OC: Norvell)
>> 2004: 69th (OC: Norvell)
>> 2005: 96th (OC: Norvell)
>> 2006: 14th (OC: Norvell)
>> 2007: 11th (OC: Watson)
>>
>> Of course, this isn't the statistic that matters -- only the points on 
>> the
>> board at the end of the game do -- but it is clearly indicative of an
>> improving trend. The 2003-05 examples also show the effect of sacking 
>> the
>> entire offensive staff. There is no continuity; players must learn a 
>> new
>> offense from scratch; and production suffers.
>>
>> OTOH, by keeping Watson as OC, there is at least some continuity and
>> stability for the returning players, and Bo has the chance to keep the
>> offensive production trend going positive, while he concentrates on 
>> fixing
>> the defense (which I think we'll all admit was our glaring problem in
>> 2007).
>>
>> George
>> -- 
>> George Rapp (Columbus, OH) Home: george.rapp -- at -- gmail.com
>> Work: george.rapp -- at -- eds.com (or) george.rapp -- at -- dfas.mil
>> The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to 
>> escape
>> finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius
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>
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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 22:20:29 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Mon Dec  3 22:16:00 2007
Subject: [Husker] Going for 2 (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200712032027.lB3KRxB3010878@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <265435.11194.qm@web55609.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

With all due respect, that is BS.  The voters would have voted a one loss, one tie Miami ahead of 1 tie NU?  No chance.  You've been listening to SP for too long. : ) 

Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:  Although most of the after-the-fact coverage of that game repeats the
mantra that a tie would have assured Nebraska a national championship,
the history of the voters back then suggests that may not have been the 
case.

Mike Nolan

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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 22:31:43 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Mon Dec  3 22:20:34 2007
Subject: [Husker] Missouri got hosed
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Message-ID: <873557.22074.qm@web55615.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Missouri did get hosed.  Too bad!  I spent most of today on Missouri chat boards pretending to be Kansas and Illionois fans.   : ) 
   
  

Dana Williams <mug135@hotmail.com> wrote:
  
> And as much as I dislike Missouri, they really got boned by the BCS when> it picked Kansas for the Orange Bowl, in my opinion.> > Scott in NY
I agree that Missouri got the proverbial shaft, but it was the Orange Bowl people that picked KU over Missouri. The BCS is only used to pick the top two teams. At least that is what the good folks at ESPN reported last night.


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From huskerdana at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  3 22:34:21 2007
From: huskerdana at yahoo.com (Sue Smith)
Date: Mon Dec  3 22:23:13 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
In-Reply-To: <37462.68.189.234.125.1196715600.squirrel@webmail.kearney.net>
Message-ID: <647085.92464.qm@web55603.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

What's wrong with Pudue?  Washington was on the road.  OSU had a lousy non-conference schedule, but they did win the Big 10 title and the Big 10 was stronger this year than most.  All but 1 Big 10 team was bowl eligible.  
   
  KU would have been in the title game had they played a stronger non-conference schedule and/or had OU or Texas on their conference schedule.  Of course, they may have also lost some of those tougher games. 

marc <reggie@kearney.net> wrote:
  I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule wasn't the greatest, but can't we
say the same thing about Ohio State???

Youngstown St.
Akron
Washington
Northwestern
Minnesota
Purdue
Kent State

>
> On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart wrote:
>
>> If you win all your games, the polls take care of themselves.
>
> - Unless you are Hawaii.
>
> Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone realizes that their
> schedule
> didn't qualify them to be a contender. They barely beat 3 fairly poor
> teams
> on the road, could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who
> knows
> what might have happened in overtime. But they did manage to win and who
> knows they might pull a Boise State and beat disappointed Georgia in the
> Sugar bowl.


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From surf4evr at msn.com  Mon Dec  3 23:52:10 2007
From: surf4evr at msn.com (Michael J Schultz)
Date: Mon Dec  3 23:41:25 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
In-Reply-To: <004501c835e7$6e5b8bf0$4b12a3d0$@net>
References: <16ee270e0712030941v2c080ee1yb199fffef6c8e5db@mail.gmail.com>	<0JSH005QJLH45701@hawaii.edu>	<37462.68.189.234.125.1196715600.squirrel@webmail.kearney.net>
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That is true but the bottom line is that they still won the game and went
undefeated, which you can't say the same thing for OSU.  There schedule was
not as strong as OSU but OSU did not to my knowledge beat a top 20 team when
they played. I believe Hawaii will beat Georgia handily because Georgia's
pass defense is poor.  
There is now way that OSU belongs in this BCS game.

Michael J Schultz
surf4evr@msn.com


-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Skylar Dodds
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:02 PM
To: 'Husker List'
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?

The difference is OSU manhandled it's poor opponents while Hawaii struggled
against a lot of them, IMO.

--
Skylar
mailto: sklarbodds@cox.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of
> marc
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:00 PM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
> 
> I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule wasn't the greatest, but can't we
> say the same thing about Ohio State???
> 
> Youngstown St.
> Akron
> Washington
> Northwestern
> Minnesota
> Purdue
> Kent State
> 
> >
> > On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart <fourtwophd@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>  If you win all your games, the polls take care of themselves.
> >
> > - Unless you are Hawaii.
> >
> > Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone realizes that their
> > schedule
> > didn't qualify them to be a contender.  They barely beat 3 fairly poor
> > teams
> > on the road, could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who
> > knows
> > what might have happened in overtime.  But they did manage to win and
who
> > knows they might pull a Boise State and beat disappointed Georgia in the
> > Sugar bowl.
> 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Dec  4 09:21:30 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Dec  4 09:21:34 2007
Subject: [Husker] Missouri got hosed (fwd)
Message-ID: <200712041521.lB4FLU9N015655@romaine.tssi.com>

> Missouri did get hosed.  Too bad!  I spent most of today on Missouri chat boards pretending to be Kansas and Illionois fans.   : ) 

And you're proud of that?  We don't need Husker fans like you.
--
Mike Nolan

From rchriste at threeriver.net  Tue Dec  4 09:42:58 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Tue Dec  4 09:30:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] Missouri got hosed (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200712041521.lB4FLU9N015655@romaine.tssi.com>
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After reading some of Sue's posts, I'm not so sure she isn't a Notre 
Dame fan doing the same thing to this Nebraska Board.  Heaven knows she 
wouldn't have anything exciting to read on the Notre Dame boards.

Bob

Mike Nolan wrote:
>> Missouri did get hosed.  Too bad!  I spent most of today on Missouri chat boards pretending to be Kansas and Illionois fans.   : ) 
>>     
>
> And you're proud of that?  We don't need Husker fans like you.
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From fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  4 10:03:57 2007
From: fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com (Bob Fancher)
Date: Tue Dec  4 09:52:49 2007
Subject: [Husker] Missouri got hosed
In-Reply-To: <873557.22074.qm@web55615.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <778530.59107.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Sue Smith <huskerdana@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Missouri did get hosed.  Too bad!

I agree, too bad. However, I think it is a shame that
Hawaii and KU made BCS bowls. They complain, "We were
undeafeated, why are we not number 1?" Well, Hawaii,
play a schedule and you'll be rewarded. I know this
isn't KU's fault, but they didn't play OU or Texas
this year. They didn't play anyone non-conference.
They had one decent opponent, Mizzou, and they lost. 

I'm tired of these teams with patsy schedules whining
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From gscratch1 at comcast.net  Tue Dec  4 11:30:10 2007
From: gscratch1 at comcast.net (gscratch1@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Dec  4 11:19:09 2007
Subject: [Husker] what if?
Message-ID: <120420071730.12582.47558EA20004A659000031262200734840080C9B0E9D0C9C09@comcast.net>

 >TO also went for 2 against Miami in the 1984 Orange Bowl, when he should have 
 >settled for the tie and the National Championship

That TO went for the 2-pts and the win, is what has "defined Tom Osborne" (in the words of many here); how do you feel if he goes for the simple extra point and just lets the voting happen (that he didn't think that he'd be voted the MNC in case of a tie, is inconceivable, to my anyway) and then doesn't make the kick?   how do you feel then?

Glen in NJ
From surf4evr at msn.com  Tue Dec  4 13:24:04 2007
From: surf4evr at msn.com (Michael J Schultz)
Date: Tue Dec  4 13:14:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] Missouri got hosed
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I'm sorry you feel that way but Hawaii is undefeated and they deserve to be
in the BCS game. OSU didn't play a top 20 team and play a poor
non-conference but they make it to the BCS game, which is a shame.

Michael J Schultz
surf4evr@msn.com

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Bob Fancher
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:04 AM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Missouri got hosed

--- Sue Smith <huskerdana@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Missouri did get hosed.  Too bad!

I agree, too bad. However, I think it is a shame that
Hawaii and KU made BCS bowls. They complain, "We were
undeafeated, why are we not number 1?" Well, Hawaii,
play a schedule and you'll be rewarded. I know this
isn't KU's fault, but they didn't play OU or Texas
this year. They didn't play anyone non-conference.
They had one decent opponent, Mizzou, and they lost. 

I'm tired of these teams with patsy schedules whining
because they get no respect. 



 
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From surf4evr at msn.com  Tue Dec  4 13:59:53 2007
From: surf4evr at msn.com (Michael J Schultz)
Date: Tue Dec  4 13:49:21 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
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Yes, I mean no way OSU or LSU belongs in this game. This game is suppose to
be about the 2 best teams in college football. This game is not about that
this year because the 2 best teams are not playing in it. Here's why the BCS
is flawed. Entering the weekend, Georgia was the highest rated 2-loss team
in the BCS, Georgia & OSU did not play last weekend, however OSU rose in the
standings but Georgia dropped to fifth. Georgia should have rose to number
2. Then you have Hawaii, who is undefeated this season but because they play
outside of the 6 high-profile conferences they were not even considered.
(This is wrong). Instead both of these teams belong in the BCS game not LSU
or OSU.  This game should be about the 2 best teams in college football and
it is Not. Instead it is about who the media wants to play in the game. This
system needs to change because is flawed.

 

I know most of you are going to disagree with me but think about it for a
minute. Hawaii was never considered a top school because they played a poor
non-conference schedule but so did KU. KU was undefeated in week twelve and
they were ranked number two in the country and were not penalized for their
weak non-conference schedule but Hawaii was penalized for theirs. You could
say if Hawaii was not penalized for their weak schedule they should have
been number three in the country at that time.   They would have been number
one after last week because they went undefeated . Instead they get to play
Georgia in another BCS bowl but not the one that counts the most and the one
they should both be in.

 

I'm not lobbying for either of these teams but I hate it when people say if
you would play a tougher schedule then you deserve to be there. There are
many teams that do not play tougher schedules and they are still there i.e
OSU. In the old days there was no computers but if you were undefeated more
than likely you would play for the national championship. College football
today is about big bucks and sooner rather than later the championship will
not mean much. I just want the 2 best college teams to play for the
championship every year and this year this is not going to happen.

 

 

 

Michael J Schultz

surf4evr@msn.com

 

From: Sue Smith [mailto:huskerdana@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:59 AM
To: Michael J Schultz
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?

 

Do you mean no way?  

Michael J Schultz <surf4evr@msn.com> wrote: 

That is true but the bottom line is that they still won the game and went
undefeated, which you can't say the same thing for OSU. There schedule was
not as strong as OSU but OSU did not to my knowledge beat a top 20 team when
they played. I believe Hawaii will beat Georgia handily because Georgia's
pass defense is poor. 
There is now way that OSU belongs in this BCS game.

Michael J Schultz
surf4evr@msn.com


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From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:02 PM
To: 'Husker List'
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?

The difference is OSU manhandled it's poor opponents while Hawaii struggled
against a lot of them, IMO.

--
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> marc
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:00 PM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
> 
> I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule wasn't the greatest, but can't we
> say the same thing about Ohio State???
> 
> Youngstown St.
> Akron
> Washington
> Northwestern
> Minnesota
> Purdue
> Kent State
> 
> >
> > On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart wrote:
> >
> >> If you win all your games, the polls take care of themselves.
> >
> > - Unless you are Hawaii.
> >
> > Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone realizes that their
> > schedule
> > didn't qualify them to be a contender. They barely beat 3 fairly poor
> > teams
> > on the road, could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who
> > knows
> > what might have happened in overtime. But they did manage to win and
who
> > knows they might pull a Boise State and beat disappointed Georgia in the
> > Sugar bowl.
> 
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From: Kaufsss at aol.com (Kaufsss@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  4 14:25:59 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
Message-ID: <bd8.23d93acb.3487141f@aol.com>

 
 

You forget the main reason why Hawaii is not higher - they started the  
season lower ranked than any of these teams.  Let's say a team like Georgia  played 
the same schedule Hawaii did and went undefeated.  Because Georgia  was a 
tradional powerhouse - started the season with some expectations and a  high 
ranking - they would be number 1.  Look at Boise State - after last  year - they 
gained a little respect in the polls at the start of this  year.  If they would 
have gone undefeated - this year - with their 'easy'  schedule, they would 
have been #1.  I think Hawaii has the same opportunity  next year.  Take the 
reverse - I think NE has a hard time rising to the top  next year.  One loss will 
blow much of their chances - depending of course  on where they start, and if 
the upsets continue like they did this year.  I  think it is hard to argue 
against OSU and LSU - they did what they were supposed  to do.  I believe 
Georgia will kill Hawaii - as Oklahoma should have done  to Boise State.  As long as 
Georgia doesn't play like they are ashamed not  to be in the big game - and 
try to prove they should have been.  
 
Steve  Kauf
A Husker fan deep in South Texas
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NOT THE GOAL BUT THE GAME
IN THE DEED THE GLORY

 
 
In a message dated 12/4/2007 2:02:05 PM Central Standard Time,  
surf4evr@msn.com writes:

Yes, I  mean no way OSU or LSU belongs in this game. This game is suppose to
be  about the 2 best teams in college football. This game is not about  that
this year because the 2 best teams are not playing in it. Here's why  the BCS
is flawed. Entering the weekend, Georgia was the highest rated  2-loss team
in the BCS, Georgia & OSU did not play last weekend,  however OSU rose in the
standings but Georgia dropped to fifth. Georgia  should have rose to number
2. Then you have Hawaii, who is undefeated this  season but because they play
outside of the 6 high-profile conferences they  were not even considered.
(This is wrong). Instead both of these teams  belong in the BCS game not LSU
or OSU.  This game should be about the  2 best teams in college football and
it is Not. Instead it is about who the  media wants to play in the game. This
system needs to change because is  flawed.



I know most of you are going to disagree with me but  think about it for a
minute. Hawaii was never considered a top school  because they played a poor
non-conference schedule but so did KU. KU was  undefeated in week twelve and
they were ranked number two in the country  and were not penalized for their
weak non-conference schedule but Hawaii  was penalized for theirs. You could
say if Hawaii was not penalized for  their weak schedule they should have
been number three in the country at  that time.   They would have been number
one after last week  because they went undefeated . Instead they get to play
Georgia in another  BCS bowl but not the one that counts the most and the one
they should both  be in.



I'm not lobbying for either of these teams but I hate it  when people say if
you would play a tougher schedule then you deserve to be  there. There are
many teams that do not play tougher schedules and they are  still there i.e
OSU. In the old days there was no computers but if you were  undefeated more
than likely you would play for the national championship.  College football
today is about big bucks and sooner rather than later the  championship will
not mean much. I just want the 2 best college teams to  play for the
championship every year and this year this is not going to  happen.







Michael J  Schultz

surf4evr@msn.com



From: Sue Smith  [mailto:huskerdana@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:59  AM
To: Michael J Schultz
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad  Decision?



Do you mean no way?  

Michael J Schultz  <surf4evr@msn.com> wrote: 

That is true but the bottom line is  that they still won the game and went
undefeated, which you can't say the  same thing for OSU. There schedule was
not as strong as OSU but OSU did not  to my knowledge beat a top 20 team when
they played. I believe Hawaii will  beat Georgia handily because Georgia's
pass defense is poor. 
There is  now way that OSU belongs in this BCS game.

Michael J  Schultz
surf4evr@msn.com


-----Original Message-----
From:  husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf  Of
Skylar Dodds
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:02 PM
To: 'Husker  List'
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?

The  difference is OSU manhandled it's poor opponents while Hawaii  struggled
against a lot of them, IMO.

--
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mailto:  sklarbodds@cox.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From:  husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On  Behalf
Of
> marc
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:00  PM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh?  Bad Decision?
> 
> I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule wasn't  the greatest, but can't we
> say the same thing about Ohio  State???
> 
> Youngstown St.
> Akron
>  Washington
> Northwestern
> Minnesota
> Purdue
> Kent  State
> 
> >
> > On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart  wrote:
> >
> >> If you win all your games, the polls take  care of themselves.
> >
> > - Unless you are Hawaii.
>  >
> > Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone realizes  that their
> > schedule
> > didn't qualify them to be a  contender. They barely beat 3 fairly poor
> > teams
> > on  the road, could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who
>  > knows
> > what might have happened in overtime. But they did  manage to win and
who
> > knows they might pull a Boise State and  beat disappointed Georgia in the
> > Sugar bowl.
> 
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  4 15:59:54 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Tue Dec  4 15:48:42 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
Message-ID: <820216.30481.qm@web52401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Bo and TO are losing no time. 

TO offers scholarship: 

http://tinyurl.com/2dfsha

Bo brings in 2 Cottons (Barney and Son Ben): 

http://tinyurl.com/2e7xux

Who are the 9 assistants referred to in the Cotton article? 

Ron Brown, Barney Cotton and ??? CONFIRMED names (not just rumors)

Thanks

Lynette
 

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From John.Killmar at STJUDE.ORG  Tue Dec  4 16:14:46 2007
From: John.Killmar at STJUDE.ORG (Killmar, John)
Date: Tue Dec  4 16:03:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
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I thought the first article was great.  I hope this trend in recruiting
in state continues.

John Killmar

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Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons

Bo and TO are losing no time. 

TO offers scholarship: 

http://tinyurl.com/2dfsha

Bo brings in 2 Cottons (Barney and Son Ben): 

http://tinyurl.com/2e7xux

Who are the 9 assistants referred to in the Cotton article? 

Ron Brown, Barney Cotton and ??? CONFIRMED names (not just rumors)

Thanks

Lynette
 

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From dkarre at comcast.net  Tue Dec  4 16:19:05 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Tue Dec  4 16:08:02 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
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Michael J Schultz wrote:
Hawaii was never considered a top school because they played a poor
> non-conference schedule but so did KU. 

Hawaii was never considered a top team because the perception is that 
they play a weak schedule, not just a weak non-conference schedule. To 
be considered a national contender, Hawaii will have to schedule a 
tougher non-conference schedule (as Fresno has done over the years) to 
compensate for their conference schedule.

As for Georgia, you argue that they deserve a shot at the MNC because 
they were higher ranked than LSU and lost ground when they didn't even 
play. I would argue that the voters (because the polls largely determine 
this) merely rectified their prior mistake by elevating the better, 
more-accomplished team. And then you have the "Nebraska" problem: How 
can a team play for the MNC when it wasn't good enough to play for its 
conference championship?

Personally, I think the BCS probably got it just about right this time.

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From andy at knipp.com  Tue Dec  4 16:19:04 2007
From: andy at knipp.com (andy@knipp.com)
Date: Tue Dec  4 16:09:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
Message-ID: <15808480.1196806744663.JavaMail.?@fh1038.dia.cp.net>

I have heard 

OC - Shawn Watson
TE - Ron Brown
OL - Cotton
WR - Ted Gilmore

on D

(DC or secondary) Marvin Sanders
DL - Carl Pelini 

2 other names Mike Ekeler (strength coach at LSU)
John Papuchis (LSU grad student/defensive intern)
I heard Jimmy Williams may interview (currently at Buffalo)

>----Original Message----
>From: ltillner@yahoo.com
>Date: Dec 4, 2007 13:59 
>To: "Husker"<husker@tssi.com>
>Subj: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>
>Bo and TO are losing no time. 
>
>TO offers scholarship: 
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2dfsha
>
>Bo brings in 2 Cottons (Barney and Son Ben): 
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2e7xux
>
>Who are the 9 assistants referred to in the Cotton article? 
>
>Ron Brown, Barney Cotton and ??? CONFIRMED names (not just rumors)
>
>Thanks
>
>Lynette
> 
>
>Lynette Tillner
>ltillner@yahoo.com
>
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From andy at knipp.com  Tue Dec  4 16:26:27 2007
From: andy at knipp.com (andy@knipp.com)
Date: Tue Dec  4 16:17:19 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
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Reportedly the "smaller" Cotton is a 3 star TE from Iowa 6-6 225 (for 
those who care about the number of stars anymore)



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>To: "Husker"<husker@tssi.com>
>Subj: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>
>I thought the first article was great.  I hope this trend in 
recruiting
>in state continues.
>
>John Killmar
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On 
Behalf
>Of Lynette Tillner
>Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:00 PM
>To: Husker
>Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>
>Bo and TO are losing no time. 
>
>TO offers scholarship: 
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2dfsha
>
>Bo brings in 2 Cottons (Barney and Son Ben): 
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2e7xux
>
>Who are the 9 assistants referred to in the Cotton article? 
>
>Ron Brown, Barney Cotton and ??? CONFIRMED names (not just rumors)
>
>Thanks
>
>Lynette
> 
>
>Lynette Tillner
>ltillner@yahoo.com
>
>
> 
>________________________________________________________________________
>____________
>Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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>problem appears to be on their end.
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From husker at schmadeke.com  Tue Dec  4 16:53:26 2007
From: husker at schmadeke.com (Steve Schmadeke)
Date: Tue Dec  4 16:42:52 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
In-Reply-To: <bd8.23d93acb.3487141f@aol.com>
References: <bd8.23d93acb.3487141f@aol.com>
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One thing a resurgent Nebraska would have going for them is that they  
are scheduled to play four of the current top eight teams next year  
(though I would expect the loser of the Orange Bowl to drop down in  
the final poll), so they will get a chance to prove themselves against  
some well-respected opponents.

While I expect that Nebraska will not have any votes in the preseason  
polls, they do still have a lot of cachet with the media.  The  
coverage of the coaching search at Nebraska was easily the most  
significant non-BCS story of the past month.  None of the other  
coaching vacancies, including Michigan's, has generated near as much  
national coverage.  If Nebraska turns it around, I believe they will  
get the benefit of the doubt that Hawaii didn't.  Given an excuse, the  
voters will blame this past year's failures on the old coaches and not  
hold them too strongly against next year's team.  (In such a scenario,  
it is probably to Nebraska's benefit that Virginia Tech beat Kansas in  
the Orange Bowl because we play them earlier next year and Nebraska  
needs Missouri, another early opponent, to not stub its toe against  
Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl after losing out in the BCS numbers game.)

Even without those benefits, the winner of Kansas-Missouri did get  
moved to #1 this year, so I think that an undefeated Nebraska would  
have a pretty strong shot at the BCS title game.  It would take two  
undefeated teams out of a fairly short list (USC, Ohio State, etc.) to  
shut them out.  I don't know if an undefeated Rutgers or Clemson, for  
example, would shut them out even if they start ranked where Nebraska  
does not.

But, alas, this is only a theoretical discussion.  While I think there  
is a lot of upside potential for the team next year, I don't see them  
completely closing the gap with the top four teams on the schedule  
along with trips to Texas Tech, Kansas State and even Iowa State.   
Getting to the Alamo/Holiday Bowl level will represent significant  
progress next year.  Personally, I think that when the Sooners come to  
Lincoln in 2009 is the first chance for Nebraska to be involved in a  
matchup between two Top Ten teams since the 2001 season.

--Steve Schmadeke

On Dec 4, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Kaufsss@aol.com wrote:

> You forget the main reason why Hawaii is not higher - they started the
> season lower ranked than any of these teams.  Let's say a team like  
> Georgia  played
> the same schedule Hawaii did and went undefeated.  Because Georgia   
> was a
> tradional powerhouse - started the season with some expectations and  
> a  high
> ranking - they would be number 1.  Look at Boise State - after last   
> year - they
> gained a little respect in the polls at the start of this  year.  If  
> they would
> have gone undefeated - this year - with their 'easy'  schedule, they  
> would
> have been #1.  I think Hawaii has the same opportunity  next year.   
> Take the
> reverse - I think NE has a hard time rising to the top  next year.   
> One loss will
> blow much of their chances - depending of course  on where they  
> start, and if
> the upsets continue like they did this year.<snip>

From strongtodd at msn.com  Tue Dec  4 18:04:32 2007
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Tue Dec  4 17:53:28 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
References: <11952252.1196807187943.JavaMail.?@fh1038.dia.cp.net>
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV107E5A9699B82F7D9C2912CD6E0@phx.gbl>

I've seen enough stars for one lifetime.
Gimme the boys from the farm anyday, throw in burner or two from down south.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <andy@knipp.com>
To: "Husker" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons


>
>
> Reportedly the "smaller" Cotton is a 3 star TE from Iowa 6-6 225 (for
> those who care about the number of stars anymore)
>
>
>
>>----Original Message----
>>From: John.Killmar@stjude.org
>>Date: Dec 4, 2007 14:14
>>To: "Husker"<husker@tssi.com>
>>Subj: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>>
>>I thought the first article was great.  I hope this trend in
> recruiting
>>in state continues.
>>
>>John Killmar
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf
>>Of Lynette Tillner
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:00 PM
>>To: Husker
>>Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>>
>>Bo and TO are losing no time.
>>
>>TO offers scholarship:
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/2dfsha
>>
>>Bo brings in 2 Cottons (Barney and Son Ben):
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/2e7xux
>>
>>Who are the 9 assistants referred to in the Cotton article?
>>
>>Ron Brown, Barney Cotton and ??? CONFIRMED names (not just rumors)
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Lynette
>>
>>
>>Lynette Tillner
>>ltillner@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________________________________________________
>>____________
>>Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
>>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>husker@tssi.com
>>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>>
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>>problem appears to be on their end.
>>
>>
>>
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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Tue Dec  4 18:36:05 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Tue Dec  4 18:25:09 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-DAV107E5A9699B82F7D9C2912CD6E0@phx.gbl>
References: <11952252.1196807187943.JavaMail.?@fh1038.dia.cp.net>
	<BAY102-DAV107E5A9699B82F7D9C2912CD6E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C059F8AA-371F-48D7-A41B-0E585968A78C@gmail.com>

Careful what you ask for, you might get it. While the star ratings  
might be arbitrary, most of those athletes are still going to be the  
guys you want to get.

What I fear most is this idea that we bring back Husker everybody and  
try to re-create the past with the idea that we can go back and  
everything will be wonderful.... well, except fan expectations will be  
so high that there's no chance of long-term success.

Looks like a lot of what we're going to do.... I just hope it's  
successful, but I wouldn't bet heavily on it.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com
On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:04 PM, todd strong wrote:

> I've seen enough stars for one lifetime.
> Gimme the boys from the farm anyday, throw in burner or two from  
> down south.
>
> "Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <andy@knipp.com>
> To: "Husker" <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>
>
>>
>>
>> Reportedly the "smaller" Cotton is a 3 star TE from Iowa 6-6 225 (for
>> those who care about the number of stars anymore)
>>
>>
>>
>>> ----Original Message----
>>> From: John.Killmar@stjude.org
>>> Date: Dec 4, 2007 14:14
>>> To: "Husker"<husker@tssi.com>
>>> Subj: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>>>
>>> I thought the first article was great.  I hope this trend in
>> recruiting
>>> in state continues.
>>>
>>> John Killmar
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Lynette Tillner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:00 PM
>>> To: Husker
>>> Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>>>
>>> Bo and TO are losing no time.
>>>
>>> TO offers scholarship:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2dfsha
>>>
>>> Bo brings in 2 Cottons (Barney and Son Ben):
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2e7xux
>>>
>>> Who are the 9 assistants referred to in the Cotton article?
>>>
>>> Ron Brown, Barney Cotton and ??? CONFIRMED names (not just rumors)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Lynette
>>>
>>>
>>> Lynette Tillner
>>> ltillner@yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>> ____________
>>> Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
>>> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> husker@tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>>>
>>> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.   
>>> The
>>> problem appears to be on their end.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> The
>> problem appears to be on their end.
>>>
>>
>>
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Tue Dec  4 18:51:34 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Tue Dec  4 18:40:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini Will Coach LSU in MNC Game
Message-ID: <4755F616.8030309@comcast.net>

With TO's blessing.
http://www.journalstar.com/blog/huskers.php?title=pelini_will_coach_lsu_in_bcs_title_game&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From j.harmon at tcu.edu  Tue Dec  4 19:14:18 2007
From: j.harmon at tcu.edu (Harmon, Josh)
Date: Tue Dec  4 19:08:14 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
References: <11952252.1196807187943.JavaMail.?@fh1038.dia.cp.net><BAY102-DAV107E5A9699B82F7D9C2912CD6E0@phx.gbl>
	<C059F8AA-371F-48D7-A41B-0E585968A78C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE1DD769FF81C643AC7FBE5262A9DDFC01F66D61@FSMAILLK2A.tcu.edu>

There are a whole lot of things I fear more than that (global warming, terrorism, and even peak oil come to mind).  
 
I think keeping the offense coordinator in place is a pretty bold move in my opinion -- and says more than anything that this isn't Frank or Tom's football team.  That could be good it could be bad.  And as far as the stars go -- I'll let that work itself out.  What I wish for or don't wish for won't affect recruiting too much. :)
j

________________________________

From: husker-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of jon johnston
Sent: Tue 12/4/2007 6:36 PM
To: todd strong
Cc: Husker
Subject: Re: [Husker] 2 Cottons



Careful what you ask for, you might get it. While the star ratings 
might be arbitrary, most of those athletes are still going to be the 
guys you want to get.

What I fear most is this idea that we bring back Husker everybody and 
try to re-create the past with the idea that we can go back and 
everything will be wonderful.... well, except fan expectations will be 
so high that there's no chance of long-term success.

Looks like a lot of what we're going to do.... I just hope it's 
successful, but I wouldn't bet heavily on it.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com <http://www.cornnation.com/> 
On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:04 PM, todd strong wrote:

> I've seen enough stars for one lifetime.
> Gimme the boys from the farm anyday, throw in burner or two from 
> down south.
>
> "Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <andy@knipp.com>
> To: "Husker" <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>
>
>>
>>
>> Reportedly the "smaller" Cotton is a 3 star TE from Iowa 6-6 225 (for
>> those who care about the number of stars anymore)
>>
>>
>>
>>> ----Original Message----
>>> From: John.Killmar@stjude.org
>>> Date: Dec 4, 2007 14:14
>>> To: "Husker"<husker@tssi.com>
>>> Subj: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>>>
>>> I thought the first article was great.  I hope this trend in
>> recruiting
>>> in state continues.
>>>
>>> John Killmar
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Lynette Tillner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:00 PM
>>> To: Husker
>>> Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>>>
>>> Bo and TO are losing no time.
>>>
>>> TO offers scholarship:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2dfsha
>>>
>>> Bo brings in 2 Cottons (Barney and Son Ben):
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2e7xux
>>>
>>> Who are the 9 assistants referred to in the Cotton article?
>>>
>>> Ron Brown, Barney Cotton and ??? CONFIRMED names (not just rumors)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Lynette
>>>
>>>
>>> Lynette Tillner
>>> ltillner@yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>> ____________
>>> Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
>>> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> husker site list
>>> husker@tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>>>
>>> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.  
>>> The
>>> problem appears to be on their end.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>>>
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>>> The
>> problem appears to be on their end.
>>>
>>
>>
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From HuskerzDad at InsightBB.com  Tue Dec  4 19:28:58 2007
From: HuskerzDad at InsightBB.com (Steve)
Date: Tue Dec  4 19:18:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] S.O.S.
Message-ID: <000001c836de$35931390$6501a8c0@D9100>

Here are some strength of schedule numbers to chew on.

 

1st  column  =  NCAA rank based on cumulative W-L record of opponents

2nd column = Sagarin rank based on opponents ranking at time of game plus
location of game

3rd column = CBS rank presumably based on W-L records

 

 05 - 03 - 06 - Nebraska

 

 48 - 60 - 44 - Ohio State

 24 - 21 - 26 - L.S.U.

 

 80 - 32 - 75 - U.S.C.

 10 - 41 - 10 - Illinois

 

 39 - 59 - 37 - Oklahoma

 47 - 42 - 43 - W Virginia

 

 25 - 30 - 21 - Georgia

117 - 137 - 118 - Hawaii

 

 03 - 36 - 05 - VA Tech

 81 - 88 - 74 - Kansas

 

I am not suggesting that S.O.S. is more important than wins or losses.  I am
just presenting some numbers on how the numbers shake out after the regular
season.

 

I s'pose one could argue that a 5-7 team, like Nebraska, was doomed because
they played a pretty tough schedule in 2008.  

 

Or one could argue that despite U.S.C.'s not so strong S.O.S., they may have
been a contributing factor in their opponent's ultimate demise.  

 

Or one could argue that the Warriors played a fairly weak schedule and went
undefeated as a result of their foe's ineptness.

 

Or one could argue that Virginia Tech played a pretty tough schedule and
their major blemish was an early season pasting by LSU.  The 41 point loss,
although early in the season, could not make up for the losses that LSU had
later in the year.  

 

VA Tech is the team that should be playing with a chip on its shoulder in
the bowl games.   I'll bet that Bo will watch JR QB Sean Glennon, SO RB
Branden Ore to see how they do against KU.  The good news is that the top
WRs (Royal, Morgan and Harper) are seniors.

 

Rather than yammer on.I'm curious if others have comments on the S.O.S.
numbers?

 

Go Big Red!

 

Steve Gomez

Loves Park, IL
(deep behind enemy lines in Big TelEveN country)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From John.Killmar at STJUDE.ORG  Tue Dec  4 20:33:04 2007
From: John.Killmar at STJUDE.ORG (Killmar, John)
Date: Tue Dec  4 20:21:49 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini Will Coach LSU in MNC Game
References: <4755F616.8030309@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <67C5DCA3F0C94E4186175E682FBB36230FC9ACD5@SJMEMXMB01.stjude.sjcrh.local>

Here are a couple of sentences from the staff blog linked below:
 

"In giving his support, Osborne knows that the game is particularly meaningful to Pelini because he was a standout free safety at Ohio State from 1987 to 1990 and earned four letters for the Buckeyes. Coached by Earle Bruce in his first season and by John Cooper in his final three seasons at Ohio State, Pelini was a three-time selection to the Academic All-Big Ten team. As a senior co-captain, he received the "Bo Rein Award", given annually to the Buckeyes' most inspirational player."

 
How often does anyone get to coach against your former team for a national championship?  Go Tigers!
 
John  Killmar
________________________________

From: husker-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Dick Karre
Sent: Tue 12/4/2007 6:51 PM
To: Huskers List
Subject: [Husker] Pelini Will Coach LSU in MNC Game



With TO's blessing.
http://www.journalstar.com/blog/huskers.php?title=pelini_will_coach_lsu_in_bcs_title_game&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
--
Dick Karre
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From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Tue Dec  4 23:44:14 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Tue Dec  4 23:33:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
In-Reply-To: <C059F8AA-371F-48D7-A41B-0E585968A78C@gmail.com>
References: <11952252.1196807187943.JavaMail.?@fh1038.dia.cp.net>
	<BAY102-DAV107E5A9699B82F7D9C2912CD6E0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <p06210203c37be93bb79d@[10.30.5.83]>

jon wrote:

>Careful what you ask for, you might get it. While the star ratings 
>might be arbitrary, most of those athletes are still going to be the 
>guys you want to get.

Most? Possibly not. But surely some.

>What I fear most is this idea that we bring back Husker everybody 
>and try to re-create the past with the idea that we can go back and 
>everything will be wonderful.... well, except fan expectations will 
>be so high that there's no chance of long-term success.

I suspect that Bo Pellini, Dr. Tom, and company will take the usual 
precautions. These small-school kids can come up big a la the 
Mackovicka boys. This year Thomas Grove walked on from tiny York and 
made a place for himself on special teams as a true freshman. No need 
to go down the list of multi-star scholarship recruits who never got 
that far.

>Looks like a lot of what we're going to do.... I just hope it's 
>successful, but I wouldn't bet heavily on it.

Well, the Callahan approach didn't make the grade. The BP/TO approach 
just may do the trick.

Steve Stone

From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Tue Dec  4 23:52:05 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Tue Dec  4 23:41:12 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
In-Reply-To: <CE1DD769FF81C643AC7FBE5262A9DDFC01F66D61@FSMAILLK2A.tcu.edu>
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	B82F7D9C2912CD6E0@phx.gbl>
	<C059F8AA-371F-48D7-A41B-0E585968A78C@gmail.com>
	<CE1DD769FF81C643AC7FBE5262A9DDFC01F66D61@FSMAILLK2A.tcu.edu>
Message-ID: <p06210204c37beb46324e@[10.30.5.83]>

Josh wrote:

>There are a whole lot of things I fear more than that (global 
>warming, terrorism, and even peak oil come to mind).
>  I think keeping the offense coordinator in place is a pretty bold 
>move in my opinion -- and says more than anything that this isn't 
>Frank or Tom's football team.  That could be good it could be bad. 
>And as far as the stars go -- I'll let that work itself out.  What I 
>wish for or don't wish for won't affect recruiting too much. :)

Josh makes some good points here, but I see it more as a cautious 
move: Watson knows the players and has command of the WCO, so there 
is less chance of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It 
appears that not abandoning the WCO and keeping the best of the 07 
offense may be a large part of next year's offense, at least early-on 
in the season. Wouldn't be surprised to see some spread/WCO evolving 
as well.

Steve Stone

From reich at inetnebr.com  Wed Dec  5 02:03:33 2007
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Wed Dec  5 01:56:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
Message-ID: <200712050803.CAA15810@stork.inebraska.com>

I think the BCS system does a credible job of picking the top two teams.
Of course, there always will be some who disagree.  The website:
  http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare.htm
compiles many rankings, including many of the best computer rankings.
Most of these have objective functions that account for record, schedule
strength, margin of victory, etc.  While any one of the rankings may be
questionable, it is more difficult to argue with the average of many
rankings.

The two top rated teams?  #1 LSU and #2 Ohio State.  And, they are well
ahead of the next two: #3 Virginia Tech and #4 Oklahoma.  Georgia comes
in at #8 and Hawaii at #18.  One can argue about where LSU and Ohio State
should be ranked, but it's difficult to imagine a credible poll having
them at #18.

Nebraska?  #60 :-(


> Yes, I mean no way OSU or LSU belongs in this game. This game is suppose to
> be about the 2 best teams in college football. This game is not about that
> this year because the 2 best teams are not playing in it. Here's why the BCS
> is flawed. Entering the weekend, Georgia was the highest rated 2-loss team
> in the BCS, Georgia & OSU did not play last weekend, however OSU rose in the
> standings but Georgia dropped to fifth. Georgia should have rose to number
> 2. Then you have Hawaii, who is undefeated this season but because they play
> outside of the 6 high-profile conferences they were not even considered.
> (This is wrong). Instead both of these teams belong in the BCS game not LSU
> or OSU.  This game should be about the 2 best teams in college football and
> it is Not. Instead it is about who the media wants to play in the game. This
> system needs to change because is flawed.
> 
>  
> 
> I know most of you are going to disagree with me but think about it for a
> minute. Hawaii was never considered a top school because they played a poor
> non-conference schedule but so did KU. KU was undefeated in week twelve and
> they were ranked number two in the country and were not penalized for their
> weak non-conference schedule but Hawaii was penalized for theirs. You could
> say if Hawaii was not penalized for their weak schedule they should have
> been number three in the country at that time.   They would have been number
> one after last week because they went undefeated . Instead they get to play
> Georgia in another BCS bowl but not the one that counts the most and the one
> they should both be in.
> 
>  
> 
> I'm not lobbying for either of these teams but I hate it when people say if
> you would play a tougher schedule then you deserve to be there. There are
> many teams that do not play tougher schedules and they are still there i.e
> OSU. In the old days there was no computers but if you were undefeated more
> than likely you would play for the national championship. College football
> today is about big bucks and sooner rather than later the championship will
> not mean much. I just want the 2 best college teams to play for the
> championship every year and this year this is not going to happen.

From toddlowell at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  5 06:28:39 2007
From: toddlowell at yahoo.com (richards todd)
Date: Wed Dec  5 06:17:25 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
In-Reply-To: <bd8.23d93acb.3487141f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <518590.45275.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've watched Georgia several times this year, and
trust me, they aren't that good.  They have no
business crying about being in the NC game, and I
wouldn't be surprised one bit if Hawaii wears them
out.

All these SEC teams think they're head and shoulders
above the rest of the country.  They don't think
football is played West of the Mississippi.  When they
get beat in bowl games, their excuse is that they beat
each other up all year and they were tired and not
into the game.  

I can't discuss football with these people in the
South.  

Todd in Tennessee
--- Kaufsss@aol.com wrote:

>  
>  
> 
> You forget the main reason why Hawaii is not higher
> - they started the  
> season lower ranked than any of these teams.  Let's
> say a team like Georgia  played 
> the same schedule Hawaii did and went undefeated. 
> Because Georgia  was a 
> tradional powerhouse - started the season with some
> expectations and a  high 
> ranking - they would be number 1.  Look at Boise
> State - after last  year - they 
> gained a little respect in the polls at the start of
> this  year.  If they would 
> have gone undefeated - this year - with their 'easy'
>  schedule, they would 
> have been #1.  I think Hawaii has the same
> opportunity  next year.  Take the 
> reverse - I think NE has a hard time rising to the
> top  next year.  One loss will 
> blow much of their chances - depending of course  on
> where they start, and if 
> the upsets continue like they did this year.  I 
> think it is hard to argue 
> against OSU and LSU - they did what they were
> supposed  to do.  I believe 
> Georgia will kill Hawaii - as Oklahoma should have
> done  to Boise State.  As long as 
> Georgia doesn't play like they are ashamed not  to
> be in the big game - and 
> try to prove they should have been.  
>  
> Steve  Kauf
> A Husker fan deep in South Texas
> NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE  ACTION
> NOT THE GOAL BUT THE GAME
> IN THE DEED THE GLORY
> 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 12/4/2007 2:02:05 PM Central
> Standard Time,  
> surf4evr@msn.com writes:
> 
> Yes, I  mean no way OSU or LSU belongs in this game.
> This game is suppose to
> be  about the 2 best teams in college football. This
> game is not about  that
> this year because the 2 best teams are not playing
> in it. Here's why  the BCS
> is flawed. Entering the weekend, Georgia was the
> highest rated  2-loss team
> in the BCS, Georgia & OSU did not play last weekend,
>  however OSU rose in the
> standings but Georgia dropped to fifth. Georgia 
> should have rose to number
> 2. Then you have Hawaii, who is undefeated this 
> season but because they play
> outside of the 6 high-profile conferences they  were
> not even considered.
> (This is wrong). Instead both of these teams  belong
> in the BCS game not LSU
> or OSU.  This game should be about the  2 best teams
> in college football and
> it is Not. Instead it is about who the  media wants
> to play in the game. This
> system needs to change because is  flawed.
> 
> 
> 
> I know most of you are going to disagree with me but
>  think about it for a
> minute. Hawaii was never considered a top school 
> because they played a poor
> non-conference schedule but so did KU. KU was 
> undefeated in week twelve and
> they were ranked number two in the country  and were
> not penalized for their
> weak non-conference schedule but Hawaii  was
> penalized for theirs. You could
> say if Hawaii was not penalized for  their weak
> schedule they should have
> been number three in the country at  that time.  
> They would have been number
> one after last week  because they went undefeated .
> Instead they get to play
> Georgia in another  BCS bowl but not the one that
> counts the most and the one
> they should both  be in.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm not lobbying for either of these teams but I
> hate it  when people say if
> you would play a tougher schedule then you deserve
> to be  there. There are
> many teams that do not play tougher schedules and
> they are  still there i.e
> OSU. In the old days there was no computers but if
> you were  undefeated more
> than likely you would play for the national
> championship.  College football
> today is about big bucks and sooner rather than
> later the  championship will
> not mean much. I just want the 2 best college teams
> to  play for the
> championship every year and this year this is not
> going to  happen.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael J  Schultz
> 
> surf4evr@msn.com
> 
> 
> 
> From: Sue Smith  [mailto:huskerdana@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:59  AM
> To: Michael J Schultz
> Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad 
> Decision?
> 
> 
> 
> Do you mean no way?  
> 
> Michael J Schultz  <surf4evr@msn.com> wrote: 
> 
> That is true but the bottom line is  that they still
> won the game and went
> undefeated, which you can't say the  same thing for
> OSU. There schedule was
> not as strong as OSU but OSU did not  to my
> knowledge beat a top 20 team when
> they played. I believe Hawaii will  beat Georgia
> handily because Georgia's
> pass defense is poor. 
> There is  now way that OSU belongs in this BCS game.
> 
> Michael J  Schultz
> surf4evr@msn.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  husker-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf  Of
> Skylar Dodds
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:02 PM
> To: 'Husker  List'
> Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad
> Decision?
> 
> The  difference is OSU manhandled it's poor
> opponents while Hawaii  struggled
> against a lot of them, IMO.
> 
> --
> Skylar
> mailto:  sklarbodds@cox.net
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:  husker-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On  Behalf
> Of
> > marc
> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:00  PM
> > To: husker@tssi.com
> > Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh?  Bad
> Decision?
> > 
> > I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule wasn't 
> the greatest, but can't we
> > say the same thing about Ohio  State???
> > 
> > Youngstown St.
> > Akron
> >  Washington
> > Northwestern
> > Minnesota
> > Purdue
> > Kent  State
> > 
> > >
> > > On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart  wrote:
> > >
> > >> If you win all your games, the polls take  care
> of themselves.
> > >
> > > - Unless you are Hawaii.
> >  >
> > > Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone
> realizes  that their
> > > schedule
> > > didn't qualify them to be a  contender. They
> barely beat 3 fairly poor
> 
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From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Wed Dec  5 06:53:41 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-DAV107982D6C41C9D7F5E2171826D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <923068.89013.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

But how do you decide who the best two teams are? Even with a playoff someone will get upset and then people will complain that it still isn't the best "TWO" teams playing. Dont get me wrong I am in favor of a playoff but it still doesn't mean that the best two teams will meet in the championship game. But it at least defines who the champion is by play on the field. Heck Hawaii and Missouri would both be in a playoff and get a chance to prove they are the best. 




Michael J Schultz <surf4evr@msn.com> wrote: Yes, I mean no way OSU or LSU belongs in this game. This game is suppose to
be about the 2 best teams in college football. This game is not about that
this year because the 2 best teams are not playing in it. Here's why the BCS
is flawed. Entering the weekend, Georgia was the highest rated 2-loss team
in the BCS, Georgia & OSU did not play last weekend, however OSU rose in the
standings but Georgia dropped to fifth. Georgia should have rose to number
2. Then you have Hawaii, who is undefeated this season but because they play
outside of the 6 high-profile conferences they were not even considered.
(This is wrong). Instead both of these teams belong in the BCS game not LSU
or OSU.  This game should be about the 2 best teams in college football and
it is Not. Instead it is about who the media wants to play in the game. This
system needs to change because is flawed.

 

I know most of you are going to disagree with me but think about it for a
minute. Hawaii was never considered a top school because they played a poor
non-conference schedule but so did KU. KU was undefeated in week twelve and
they were ranked number two in the country and were not penalized for their
weak non-conference schedule but Hawaii was penalized for theirs. You could
say if Hawaii was not penalized for their weak schedule they should have
been number three in the country at that time.   They would have been number
one after last week because they went undefeated . Instead they get to play
Georgia in another BCS bowl but not the one that counts the most and the one
they should both be in.

 

I'm not lobbying for either of these teams but I hate it when people say if
you would play a tougher schedule then you deserve to be there. There are
many teams that do not play tougher schedules and they are still there i.e
OSU. In the old days there was no computers but if you were undefeated more
than likely you would play for the national championship. College football
today is about big bucks and sooner rather than later the championship will
not mean much. I just want the 2 best college teams to play for the
championship every year and this year this is not going to happen.

 

 

 

Michael J Schultz

surf4evr@msn.com

 

From: Sue Smith [mailto:huskerdana@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:59 AM
To: Michael J Schultz
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?

 

Do you mean no way?  

Michael J Schultz  wrote: 

That is true but the bottom line is that they still won the game and went
undefeated, which you can't say the same thing for OSU. There schedule was
not as strong as OSU but OSU did not to my knowledge beat a top 20 team when
they played. I believe Hawaii will beat Georgia handily because Georgia's
pass defense is poor. 
There is now way that OSU belongs in this BCS game.

Michael J Schultz
surf4evr@msn.com


-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Skylar Dodds
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:02 PM
To: 'Husker List'
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?

The difference is OSU manhandled it's poor opponents while Hawaii struggled
against a lot of them, IMO.

--
Skylar
mailto: sklarbodds@cox.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of
> marc
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:00 PM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
> 
> I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule wasn't the greatest, but can't we
> say the same thing about Ohio State???
> 
> Youngstown St.
> Akron
> Washington
> Northwestern
> Minnesota
> Purdue
> Kent State
> 
> >
> > On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart wrote:
> >
> >> If you win all your games, the polls take care of themselves.
> >
> > - Unless you are Hawaii.
> >
> > Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone realizes that their
> > schedule
> > didn't qualify them to be a contender. They barely beat 3 fairly poor
> > teams
> > on the road, could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who
> > knows
> > what might have happened in overtime. But they did manage to win and
who
> > knows they might pull a Boise State and beat disappointed Georgia in the
> > Sugar bowl.
> 
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From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Wed Dec  5 07:10:56 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
In-Reply-To: <bd8.23d93acb.3487141f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <417867.92825.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I disagree with you on NU. If they go undefeated or have only 1 loss they will be towards the top of the polls. I had stated before the start of this season that any Big XII team that goes undefeated would play for the MNC and Kansas just about proved me right. The BCS conference teams will always get preference from pollsters over non-BCS teams. It is biased. And with NUs upcoming non-conference schedule we should start to worry that people are getting on the SOS bandwagon. 





Kaufsss@aol.com wrote:  
 

You forget the main reason why Hawaii is not higher - they started the  
season lower ranked than any of these teams.  Let's say a team like Georgia  played 
the same schedule Hawaii did and went undefeated.  Because Georgia  was a 
tradional powerhouse - started the season with some expectations and a  high 
ranking - they would be number 1.  Look at Boise State - after last  year - they 
gained a little respect in the polls at the start of this  year.  If they would 
have gone undefeated - this year - with their 'easy'  schedule, they would 
have been #1.  I think Hawaii has the same opportunity  next year.  Take the 
reverse - I think NE has a hard time rising to the top  next year.  One loss will 
blow much of their chances - depending of course  on where they start, and if 
the upsets continue like they did this year.  I  think it is hard to argue 
against OSU and LSU - they did what they were supposed  to do.  I believe 
Georgia will kill Hawaii - as Oklahoma should have done  to Boise State.  As long as 
Georgia doesn't play like they are ashamed not  to be in the big game - and 
try to prove they should have been.  
 
Steve  Kauf
A Husker fan deep in South Texas
NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE  ACTION
NOT THE GOAL BUT THE GAME
IN THE DEED THE GLORY

 
 
In a message dated 12/4/2007 2:02:05 PM Central Standard Time,  
surf4evr@msn.com writes:

Yes, I  mean no way OSU or LSU belongs in this game. This game is suppose to
be  about the 2 best teams in college football. This game is not about  that
this year because the 2 best teams are not playing in it. Here's why  the BCS
is flawed. Entering the weekend, Georgia was the highest rated  2-loss team
in the BCS, Georgia & OSU did not play last weekend,  however OSU rose in the
standings but Georgia dropped to fifth. Georgia  should have rose to number
2. Then you have Hawaii, who is undefeated this  season but because they play
outside of the 6 high-profile conferences they  were not even considered.
(This is wrong). Instead both of these teams  belong in the BCS game not LSU
or OSU.  This game should be about the  2 best teams in college football and
it is Not. Instead it is about who the  media wants to play in the game. This
system needs to change because is  flawed.



I know most of you are going to disagree with me but  think about it for a
minute. Hawaii was never considered a top school  because they played a poor
non-conference schedule but so did KU. KU was  undefeated in week twelve and
they were ranked number two in the country  and were not penalized for their
weak non-conference schedule but Hawaii  was penalized for theirs. You could
say if Hawaii was not penalized for  their weak schedule they should have
been number three in the country at  that time.   They would have been number
one after last week  because they went undefeated . Instead they get to play
Georgia in another  BCS bowl but not the one that counts the most and the one
they should both  be in.



I'm not lobbying for either of these teams but I hate it  when people say if
you would play a tougher schedule then you deserve to be  there. There are
many teams that do not play tougher schedules and they are  still there i.e
OSU. In the old days there was no computers but if you were  undefeated more
than likely you would play for the national championship.  College football
today is about big bucks and sooner rather than later the  championship will
not mean much. I just want the 2 best college teams to  play for the
championship every year and this year this is not going to  happen.







Michael J  Schultz

surf4evr@msn.com



From: Sue Smith  [mailto:huskerdana@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:59  AM
To: Michael J Schultz
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad  Decision?



Do you mean no way?  

Michael J Schultz   wrote: 

That is true but the bottom line is  that they still won the game and went
undefeated, which you can't say the  same thing for OSU. There schedule was
not as strong as OSU but OSU did not  to my knowledge beat a top 20 team when
they played. I believe Hawaii will  beat Georgia handily because Georgia's
pass defense is poor. 
There is  now way that OSU belongs in this BCS game.

Michael J  Schultz
surf4evr@msn.com


-----Original Message-----
From:  husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf  Of
Skylar Dodds
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:02 PM
To: 'Husker  List'
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?

The  difference is OSU manhandled it's poor opponents while Hawaii  struggled
against a lot of them, IMO.

--
Skylar
mailto:  sklarbodds@cox.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From:  husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On  Behalf
Of
> marc
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:00  PM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh?  Bad Decision?
> 
> I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule wasn't  the greatest, but can't we
> say the same thing about Ohio  State???
> 
> Youngstown St.
> Akron
>  Washington
> Northwestern
> Minnesota
> Purdue
> Kent  State
> 
> >
> > On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart  wrote:
> >
> >> If you win all your games, the polls take  care of themselves.
> >
> > - Unless you are Hawaii.
>  >
> > Hawaii won all their games, but nearly everyone realizes  that their
> > schedule
> > didn't qualify them to be a  contender. They barely beat 3 fairly poor
> > teams
> > on  the road, could have been tied by Washington this weekend - and who
>  > knows
> > what might have happened in overtime. But they did  manage to win and
who
> > knows they might pull a Boise State and  beat disappointed Georgia in the
> > Sugar bowl.
> 
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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  5 07:46:09 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Wed Dec  5 07:34:52 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
In-Reply-To: <C059F8AA-371F-48D7-A41B-0E585968A78C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <805957.6911.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Kind of funny how the old way was pretty successful for 3 head coaches but the "new way" was not at all successful but we should watch what we wish for, a return to the old way. Yeah I would hate for us to start winning 75% of our games. Oh yeah, I forgot, no one can do that anymore. Seems like there are a few teams still doing it, Florida, Ohio State, USC, etc. 




jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote: Careful what you ask for, you might get it. While the star ratings  
might be arbitrary, most of those athletes are still going to be the  
guys you want to get.

What I fear most is this idea that we bring back Husker everybody and  
try to re-create the past with the idea that we can go back and  
everything will be wonderful.... well, except fan expectations will be  
so high that there's no chance of long-term success.

Looks like a lot of what we're going to do.... I just hope it's  
successful, but I wouldn't bet heavily on it.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com
On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:04 PM, todd strong wrote:

> I've seen enough stars for one lifetime.
> Gimme the boys from the farm anyday, throw in burner or two from  
> down south.
>
> "Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
> ----- Original Message ----- From: 
> To: "Husker" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>
>
>>
>>
>> Reportedly the "smaller" Cotton is a 3 star TE from Iowa 6-6 225 (for
>> those who care about the number of stars anymore)
>>
>>
>>
>>> ----Original Message----
>>> From: John.Killmar@stjude.org
>>> Date: Dec 4, 2007 14:14
>>> To: "Husker"
>>> Subj: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>>>
>>> I thought the first article was great.  I hope this trend in
>> recruiting
>>> in state continues.
>>>
>>> John Killmar
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Lynette Tillner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:00 PM
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>>> Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
>>>
>>> Bo and TO are losing no time.
>>>
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>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2dfsha
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>>> Bo brings in 2 Cottons (Barney and Son Ben):
>>>
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>>> Who are the 9 assistants referred to in the Cotton article?
>>>
>>> Ron Brown, Barney Cotton and ??? CONFIRMED names (not just rumors)
>>>
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From: jeffv at alphavideo.com (Jeff Volk)
Date: Wed Dec  5 08:35:44 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
Message-ID: <E99C3372B9410E48870EBD6E0249BA6E572419@imhotep.alphavideo.com>

Good morning Husker Fans. If you have ever seen the movie Groundhog Day,
that is how I have felt while reading the updates out of Lincoln over
the past several days. When I saw names like Brown, Sanders & Cotton on
the new coaching staff and that we were offering scholarships to big,
strapping farm lads that no other schools had barely any interest in,
never mind had offered a scholarship to, I could have sworn it was 2002
or 2003 all over again. But alas it isn't so - it is 2007. 

 

So, as I reflect this morning here are my thoughts on a lot of posts
over the last week or so:

 

On Tom Going for 2 In the Orange Bowl:

================================

Absolutely, positively, unequivocally, without question the correct call
and one that I hope we would make over and over and over. Going for a
tie and backing into National Titles is not what any one should be
about, unless your name is Ara and you are the Head Coach at Notre Dame.
Anyone who says we should have gone for the tie just doesn't get what
competing and being a true champion is all about. 

 

On The New Coaching Staff:

================================

I am generally pleased with the Bo Pelini hire, and I came out publicly
at one time that he was my candidate. In the end I was hoping that the
hire would have been Jim Grobe. I just feel that Grobe is a guy that has
won, as a HEAD COACH, at every place he has ever coached. That aside, I
think Pelini should be just fine. I must admit however that I am a
little disappointed in some of the assistant coach hires - it really
does just feel like 2003 all over again. We will have to wait and see
how the rest of the staff comes out, and how they actually perform, but
as of right now I would give it a B, maybe a B-minus. 

 

On Shawn Watson:

================================

I think it was a very, very wise move to retain Watson. I know some
people have questioned why people think he can coach/coordinate and the
answer is simple - BECAUSE HE CAN! While a part of it was inserting Ganz
into the lineup, look at how much more effective and dynamic the offense
was once Callahan got out of the way and let Watson start calling the
plays! Watson schemed to highlight Ganz's strengths, including adding
wrinkles like some option runs out of the spread formation, etc. I think
we will see a far more diverse offensive attack under Watson that will
include some components of the WCO, option, spread, etc. I would also
anticipate that the terminology will be far less complex and a lot
easier for players to assimilate to. Don't rush to judgment on Watson so
quickly - we have to see what he can do when he isn't suffocating under
Callahan. 

 

On Recruiting:

================================

Since people hate star systems and we all realize they are totally
subjective and in many cases arbitrary, let me explain this in a
different way. When it comes to the athletes we are recruiting, it gives
me a tremendous amount of pause when we start offering scholarships to
players that no other schools are offering or that schools that are not
typically competitive are offering. While every team is a little
different and they all recruit athletes to fit their systems - I feel
far more comfortable when we are recruiting athletes that at least upper
division Big 12 schools are also recruiting. I know there are exceptions
to the rule and that player development is speculative at best, but I
feel a whole lot better bringing in a kid that Oklahoma and Missouri
might also have recruited rather than a kid that Chadron and Wayne State
recruited. I know that many of us have this love affair with the whole
idea of every kid off of every farm in Nebraska getting a chance to play
at Nebraska, but that just isn't realistic. We need better athletes -
not 3 or 4 or 5 star athletes, but athletes that other schools - schools
who are watching the same game films as we are, are also interested in.
Period.  

 

On The BCS:

================================

I think the BCS generally got it right. The only thing that I would have
changed was having Georgia play USC (especially since both are
trumpeting they are the best teams in the country right now) and moved
Hawaii vs Illinois. I think they are just more compelling matchups. 

 

Like it or not Hawaii deserves to play in a BCS game. They can't control
their conference schedule and played a PAC 10 team in their
non-conference schedule. As was also mentioned, several teams dropped
Hawaii from their schedule in favor of weaker opponents less likely to
beat them. And in case you are wondering, Hawaii's non-conference
schedule next season includes a trip to Gainesville to play the Gators. 

 

Unless you are a 4 or 5 year old reading this you will not see a D-1
(FBS) Playoff in your lifetime. There is just too much money involved in
the current system for them to change it. There are some great plans out
there for a playoff system, but they just aren't financially lucrative
enough and until they are you won't see a playoff system. At best you
will see a +1 scenario with a single additional game. Why? Because that
equals $$$.  

 

On Strength of Schedule:

================================

The idea that if the Huskers future schedules could preclude them from
an MNC is ludicrous. Over the coming years there are some patsies on the
schedule, but there are also teams like Virginia Tech and Tennessee.
That, coupled with the fact that the Big 12 is still a power conference
(and arguably the 2nd or 3rd best conference overall) and their strength
of schedule shouldn't ever be an issue. A no loss Nebraska team will
play in the BCS Championship Game and a 1 loss team is a near lock for a
BCS game of some sort - regardless of their non-conference schedule.
Period. 

 

On Fan Expectations:

================================

I think the expectations for next season, at least for me, is 7-5 or
8-4. The schedule, which does feature 4 of the current Top 8 BCS teams,
isn't that overwhelming and we do have the talent to compete. WR, LB and
DB are my biggest concerns. Off the field the focus will continue to be
healing the Husker Nation and letting people hold on to this warm,
fuzzy, Huskers days gone by type feeling they are all experiencing right
now. 

 

But instead of feeling like I am watching Groundhog Day, let's watch
another movie, Back to the Future. Let's say it is now 2011. We are 4
seasons in under Pelini, the walk on program is 200 strong and the
roster is filled with kids from the farms of Nebraska. We have averaged
9-4 or 8-5 and have no Big 12 titles and 2 bowl wins. Is Pelini on the
hot seat? 

 

Seriously, let's just say that the Pelini experience doesn't work. As
the guy who hired him and was so vocal about what needed to change in
the program (walkons, Nebraska kids, etc.) what is the risk to Tom's
legacy IF this is a total flop? 

 

Let me be clear that I don't in any way think that it will be, I am just
wondering what the reaction will be if it is. 

 

 

That is all I have for right now. 

 

GO BIG RED!!!

 

Jeff

From Kaufsss at aol.com  Wed Dec  5 08:53:04 2007
From: Kaufsss at aol.com (Kaufsss@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec  5 08:43:02 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
Message-ID: <c38.20845a14.34881550@aol.com>

 
 
You have to remember how strange this year was though - the #2 team lost  
like 5 weeks in a row.  There were not any undefeated high ranked teams or  many 
1 loss teams - If this was a normal year - Kansas and Missooo would  not have 
cracked the top 5.  
 
Steve Kauf
A Husker fan deep in South Texas
NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE  ACTION
NOT THE GOAL BUT THE GAME
IN THE DEED THE GLORY



In a message dated 12/5/2007 7:22:46 AM Central Standard Time,  
jjj112665@yahoo.com writes:

I  disagree with you on NU. If they go undefeated or have only 1 loss they 
will  be towards the top of the polls. I had stated before the start of this 
season  that any Big XII team that goes undefeated would play for the MNC and 
Kansas  just about proved me right. The BCS conference teams will always get  
preference from pollsters over non-BCS teams. It is biased. And with NUs  
upcoming non-conference schedule we should start to worry that people are  getting on 
the SOS bandwagon.  





Kaufsss@aol.com wrote:  



You  forget the main reason why Hawaii is not higher - they started the  
season lower ranked than any of these teams. Let's say a team like  Georgia 
played 
the same schedule Hawaii did and went undefeated. Because  Georgia was a 
tradional powerhouse - started the season with some  expectations and a high 
ranking - they would be number 1. Look at Boise  State - after last year - 
they 
gained a little respect in the polls at  the start of this year. If they 
would 
have gone undefeated - this year -  with their 'easy' schedule, they would 
have been #1. I think Hawaii has  the same opportunity next year. Take the 
reverse - I think NE has a hard  time rising to the top next year. One loss 
will 
blow much of their  chances - depending of course on where they start, and if 
the upsets  continue like they did this year. I think it is hard to argue 
against  OSU and LSU - they did what they were supposed to do. I believe 
Georgia  will kill Hawaii - as Oklahoma should have done to Boise State. As 
long as  
Georgia doesn't play like they are ashamed not to be in the big game -  and 
try to prove they should have been. 

Steve Kauf
A Husker  fan deep in South Texas
NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE ACTION
NOT THE GOAL  BUT THE GAME
IN THE DEED THE GLORY



In a message dated  12/4/2007 2:02:05 PM Central Standard Time, 
surf4evr@msn.com  writes:

Yes, I mean no way OSU or LSU belongs in this game. This game  is suppose to
be about the 2 best teams in college football. This game is  not about that
this year because the 2 best teams are not playing in it.  Here's why the BCS
is flawed. Entering the weekend, Georgia was the  highest rated 2-loss team
in the BCS, Georgia & OSU did not play last  weekend, however OSU rose in the
standings but Georgia dropped to fifth.  Georgia should have rose to number
2. Then you have Hawaii, who is  undefeated this season but because they play
outside of the 6  high-profile conferences they were not even considered.
(This is wrong).  Instead both of these teams belong in the BCS game not LSU
or OSU. This  game should be about the 2 best teams in college football and
it is Not.  Instead it is about who the media wants to play in the game. This
system  needs to change because is flawed.



I know most of you are  going to disagree with me but think about it for a
minute. Hawaii was  never considered a top school because they played a poor
non-conference  schedule but so did KU. KU was undefeated in week twelve and
they were  ranked number two in the country and were not penalized for their
weak  non-conference schedule but Hawaii was penalized for theirs. You  could
say if Hawaii was not penalized for their weak schedule they should  have
been number three in the country at that time. They would have been  number
one after last week because they went undefeated . Instead they  get to play
Georgia in another BCS bowl but not the one that counts the  most and the one
they should both be in.



I'm not lobbying  for either of these teams but I hate it when people say if
you would play  a tougher schedule then you deserve to be there. There are
many teams  that do not play tougher schedules and they are still there i.e
OSU. In  the old days there was no computers but if you were undefeated more
than  likely you would play for the national championship. College  football
today is about big bucks and sooner rather than later the  championship will
not mean much. I just want the 2 best college teams to  play for the
championship every year and this year this is not going to  happen.







Michael J  Schultz

surf4evr@msn.com



From: Sue Smith  [mailto:huskerdana@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:59  AM
To: Michael J Schultz
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad  Decision?



Do you mean no way? 

Michael J Schultz  <surf4evr@msn.com> wrote: 

That is true but the bottom line is  that they still won the game and went
undefeated, which you can't say the  same thing for OSU. There schedule was
not as strong as OSU but OSU did  not to my knowledge beat a top 20 team when
they played. I believe Hawaii  will beat Georgia handily because Georgia's
pass defense is poor.  
There is now way that OSU belongs in this BCS game.

Michael J  Schultz
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The  difference is OSU manhandled it's poor opponents while Hawaii  struggled
against a lot of them, IMO.

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> Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh?  Bad Decision?
> 
> I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule  wasn't the greatest, but can't we
> say the same thing about Ohio  State???
> 
> Youngstown St.
> Akron
>  Washington
> Northwestern
> Minnesota
> Purdue
>  Kent State
> 
> >
> > On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart  wrote:
> >
> >> If you win all your games, the polls  take care of themselves.
> >
> > - Unless you are  Hawaii.
> >
> > Hawaii won all their games, but nearly  everyone realizes that their
> > schedule
> > didn't  qualify them to be a contender. They barely beat 3 fairly poor
> >  teams
> > on the road, could have been tied by Washington this  weekend - and who
> > knows
> > what might have happened  in overtime. But they did manage to win and
who
> > knows they  might pull a Boise State and beat disappointed Georgia in the
> >  Sugar bowl.
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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 09:00:26 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Wed Dec  5 08:49:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] Tom's Legacy - Response to jeff volk
In-Reply-To: <E99C3372B9410E48870EBD6E0249BA6E572419@imhotep.alphavideo.com>
References: <E99C3372B9410E48870EBD6E0249BA6E572419@imhotep.alphavideo.com>
Message-ID: <AC1844CD-8610-453E-B5F9-9DEDC1FE5F48@gmail.com>

On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Jeff Volk wrote:

>
>
> Seriously, let's just say that the Pelini experience doesn't work. As
> the guy who hired him and was so vocal about what needed to change in
> the program (walkons, Nebraska kids, etc.) what is the risk to Tom's
> legacy IF this is a total flop?

Hmmmm.... you know, you come in here, put all your grenades in one  
basket and throw them at once. It's just not fair, man, so I'm picking  
the pieces I'll respond to.

So there.

Tom's legacy..... well, no matter what happens, Tom will always be one  
of the greatest college football coaches in history. That's over, done  
with, intact, and can't be taken away.

Now... his record and career as an administrator begins. And in one  
way you haven't mentioned, we rewind to yesterday. Had Frank stayed,  
the team's talent going downhill, if SP hadn't fired him, we would  
have fired both the athletic director and head coach (this isn't about  
whether or not the guy would have been successful, it's about a point  
of view), which is where we'll be if Tom's experiment doesn't work out.

Damage his legacy? Yeah, as a manager, he'll join a list of other guys  
who came back and failed.

In the big journey of Nebraska football, this has to happen. Tom  
Osborne has to return and we had to experience either his success or  
failure.

That's how the story is written.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com



From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Wed Dec  5 09:26:39 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Wed Dec  5 09:15:44 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
In-Reply-To: <E99C3372B9410E48870EBD6E0249BA6E572419@imhotep.alphavideo.com>
References: <E99C3372B9410E48870EBD6E0249BA6E572419@imhotep.alphavideo.com>
Message-ID: <p06210202c37c70c57ea6@[10.30.5.83]>

Jeff Volk wrote:

(Big snip)

>On Recruiting:
>
>================================
>
>Since people hate star systems and we all realize they are totally
>subjective and in many cases arbitrary, let me explain this in a
>different way. When it comes to the athletes we are recruiting, it gives
>me a tremendous amount of pause when we start offering scholarships to
>players that no other schools are offering or that schools that are not
>typically competitive are offering. While every team is a little
>different and they all recruit athletes to fit their systems - I feel
>far more comfortable when we are recruiting athletes that at least upper
>division Big 12 schools are also recruiting. I know there are exceptions
>to the rule and that player development is speculative at best, but I
>feel a whole lot better bringing in a kid that Oklahoma and Missouri
>might also have recruited rather than a kid that Chadron and Wayne State
>recruited. I know that many of us have this love affair with the whole
>idea of every kid off of every farm in Nebraska getting a chance to play
>at Nebraska, but that just isn't realistic. We need better athletes -
>not 3 or 4 or 5 star athletes, but athletes that other schools - schools
>who are watching the same game films as we are, are also interested in.
>Period.


I may be speaking only for myself, but I, for one, feel a much higher 
level of comfort in trusting Dr. Tom's judgment of potential 2008 
recruits than that of any other person, coach, or agency.

Nebraska is not going to stop recruiting in Texas, California, New 
Jersey, Florida, Alaska, or anywhere else - - in fact, Nebraska has 
always recruited all over and is not about to stop. Any idea to the 
contrary probably springs from fantasy rather than fact.

As for kids other schools are interested in, historically Nebraska 
has recruited a lot of unheralded kids and THEN other schools became 
interested in them.

Steve Stone

From sklarbodds at cox.net  Wed Dec  5 09:34:16 2007
From: sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Wed Dec  5 09:24:02 2007
Subject: [personal] [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
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> While a part of it was inserting Ganz into the lineup, look at how much
more effective and dynamic the offense
> was once Callahan got out of the way and let Watson start calling the
> plays! Watson schemed to highlight Ganz's strengths, including adding
> wrinkles like some option runs out of the spread formation, etc. 

Jeff, I read your entire post and liked most of it.  And while I think
Watson will do well, I just have to say two things I would say:

1) It is an absolute 100% MYTH that Watson was ever in control of this
offense.  Watson never called plays outside the first scripted set.  Watch
the games, every play after that comes from the QB running directly to
Callahan (with Watson working with some other members of the offense on the
side).  While I'm sure Callahan let Watson have more say in the gameplan,
playcalling was all BC, period.

2) I love the spread option attack myself (even Osborne has said he loves it
too).  To me, it's a modernized version of what we used to run.  It puts
defenses in 'react' mode instead of attack and it really allows you to
attack every part of the field.  Bo has already said that he wants a mobile
QB running a 'multiple' attack with a mobile QB, so I would really expect to
see a lot of moving around with the QB next year.

Great post :)

--
Skylar
mailto: sklarbodds@cox.net

From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  5 09:47:46 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Wed Dec  5 09:36:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
In-Reply-To: <E99C3372B9410E48870EBD6E0249BA6E572419@imhotep.alphavideo.com>
Message-ID: <450095.14824.qm@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I must admit that I simply don't follow the offers and
commitments that much, so I've probably missed the
ones that tripped your alerts.  As I've understood
things, we've offered a couple of scholarships, one to
a small town kid who's been coached by a former Husker
player.  I'm assuming that the scholarship is based on
the recommendations of the coach in large part.

The other is Ben Cotton, who was ready to accept a
scholarship from Louisville and had offers from
Missouri, Kansas, and Iowa, if I read the papers
properly.

Maybe there are some others that I've missed, but I
don't see what the fuss is about.  Let's face it,
while Nebraska needs to get some elite players, we
also need to bring in players who think that "I play
for Nebraska" isn't just a marketing slogan some
administrator hung in the locker room.  I think that's
what Osborne is trying to fill that void in the
program.

Everything in moderation.

--- Jeff Volk <jeffv@alphavideo.com> wrote:

> On Recruiting:
> 
> ================================
> 
> Since people hate star systems and we all realize
> they are totally
> subjective and in many cases arbitrary, let me
> explain this in a
> different way. When it comes to the athletes we are
> recruiting, it gives
> me a tremendous amount of pause when we start
> offering scholarships to
> players that no other schools are offering or that
> schools that are not
> typically competitive are offering. While every team
> is a little
> different and they all recruit athletes to fit their
> systems - I feel
> far more comfortable when we are recruiting athletes
> that at least upper
> division Big 12 schools are also recruiting. I know
> there are exceptions
> to the rule and that player development is
> speculative at best, but I
> feel a whole lot better bringing in a kid that
> Oklahoma and Missouri
> might also have recruited rather than a kid that
> Chadron and Wayne State
> recruited. I know that many of us have this love
> affair with the whole
> idea of every kid off of every farm in Nebraska
> getting a chance to play
> at Nebraska, but that just isn't realistic. We need
> better athletes -
> not 3 or 4 or 5 star athletes, but athletes that
> other schools - schools
> who are watching the same game films as we are, are
> also interested in.
> Period.  


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From rchriste at threeriver.net  Wed Dec  5 09:56:31 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Wed Dec  5 09:44:03 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
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Jeff Volk wrote:
> On The New Coaching Staff:
>
> ================================
>
> I am generally pleased with the Bo Pelini hire, and I came out publicly
> at one time that he was my candidate. In the end I was hoping that the
> hire would have been Jim Grobe. I just feel that Grobe is a guy that has
> won, as a HEAD COACH, at every place he has ever coached. That aside, I
> think Pelini should be just fine. I must admit however that I am a
> little disappointed in some of the assistant coach hires - it really
> does just feel like 2003 all over again. We will have to wait and see
> how the rest of the staff comes out, and how they actually perform, but
> as of right now I would give it a B, maybe a B-minus. 
>   
Jeff, let me guess, you were on the Pederson/Callahan bandwagon as he 
took the great Husker Traditions into the dirt weren't you?  I would 
take the way things were in 2003 over this over-rated experiment any 
day.  Your focus on Grobe seems to forget that the credential that we 
were being sold with Callahan was "He coached in the Superbowl."  He 
also had a losing record the next year.  He seems to have a think about 
taking a winning program to the depths of bad in a short time.  I will 
take Bo over any of the "known winners".

>
> On Recruiting:
>
> ================================
>
> Since people hate star systems and we all realize they are totally
> subjective and in many cases arbitrary, let me explain this in a
> different way. When it comes to the athletes we are recruiting, it gives
> me a tremendous amount of pause when we start offering scholarships to
> players that no other schools are offering or that schools that are not
> typically competitive are offering. While every team is a little
> different and they all recruit athletes to fit their systems - I feel
> far more comfortable when we are recruiting athletes that at least upper
> division Big 12 schools are also recruiting. I know there are exceptions
> to the rule and that player development is speculative at best, but I
> feel a whole lot better bringing in a kid that Oklahoma and Missouri
> might also have recruited rather than a kid that Chadron and Wayne State
> recruited. I know that many of us have this love affair with the whole
> idea of every kid off of every farm in Nebraska getting a chance to play
> at Nebraska, but that just isn't realistic. We need better athletes -
> not 3 or 4 or 5 star athletes, but athletes that other schools - schools
> who are watching the same game films as we are, are also interested in.
> Period.  
>   
When you have coaches that can coach, the talent will be there.  I would 
much prefer someone that is actually evaluating the films and deciding 
the players they want to recruit over someone that decides their 
recruiting targets based on some "recruiting service" or "rating 
service".  I don't doubt that a lot of the 3, 4 and 5 star recruits are 
pretty good.  I also think alot of the players that never touch the 
radar screen are pretty good.  I also think without good coaching and a 
plan to develop the talent, all of the recruits will come up well short 
of their potential.  I'm sure that Coach Pelini and his staff will get 
their share of the recruits that Oklahoma and Missouri want.  But they 
will also have a good mix of Nebraska kids that will bring a stronger 
work ethic to the team.


> On Fan Expectations:
>
> ================================
>
> I think the expectations for next season, at least for me, is 7-5 or
> 8-4. The schedule, which does feature 4 of the current Top 8 BCS teams,
> isn't that overwhelming and we do have the talent to compete. WR, LB and
> DB are my biggest concerns. Off the field the focus will continue to be
> healing the Husker Nation and letting people hold on to this warm,
> fuzzy, Huskers days gone by type feeling they are all experiencing right
> now. 
>
>  
>
> But instead of feeling like I am watching Groundhog Day, let's watch
> another movie, Back to the Future. Let's say it is now 2011. We are 4
> seasons in under Pelini, the walk on program is 200 strong and the
> roster is filled with kids from the farms of Nebraska. We have averaged
> 9-4 or 8-5 and have no Big 12 titles and 2 bowl wins. Is Pelini on the
> hot seat? 
>   
Lets hope the firing of a 9-3 coach at Nebraska went to Pitt.  I think 
Coach Pelini realizes that there are high expectations at Nebraska.  
However, if Steve Pederson would have been AD at Nebraska when Osborne 
went for 2 points in the Orange Bowl, he would never have been at 
Nebraska long enough to coach the National Championship teams of the 
'90's.  Of course there will be some fan discontent if we aren't in the 
MNC game each year.  I think the expectations should be high.  But I 
also think there needs to be some reality brought into the equation.  It 
seems that many people are still on the :"hate Solich" kick.  But I 
would ask, were we better in 2007 by dumping Solich in 2003?  I 
certainly don't think so.


Bob

From huskermn at mac.com  Wed Dec  5 09:59:31 2007
From: huskermn at mac.com (Tom Risor)
Date: Wed Dec  5 09:48:25 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Coaches Kids getting Harrassed
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Old news but I just got this from a friend in Nebraska.  It may have  
been posted here already and I missed it but it's worthy a read.


http://64.131.67.10/vbbs/showthread.php?t=46651&highlight=mike+osborne

Tom Risor

Just like with my Harley, if you have to ask why I use Macs, you  
probably wouldn't understand.


From marklandin at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 10:42:12 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Wed Dec  5 10:31:03 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
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On 12/5/07, Robert Christensen <rchriste@threeriver.net> wrote:

> Your focus on Grobe seems to forget that the credential that we
> were being sold with Callahan was "He coached in the Superbowl."  He
> also had a losing record the next year.  He seems to have a think about
> taking a winning program to the depths of bad in a short time.  I will
> take Bo over any of the "known winners".

What does Callahan's performance have to do with Jim Grobe?

>
> >
> > On Recruiting:
> When you have coaches that can coach, the talent will be there.

Explain what you mean here, please. Are you saying if you have good
coaches, that good talent will automatically gravitate to the program,
or that good coaches can assemble championship teams regardless of the
talent level they have recruited? Or something else entirely?

> I would
> much prefer someone that is actually evaluating the films and deciding
> the players they want to recruit over someone that decides their
> recruiting targets based on some "recruiting service" or "rating
> service".

Me too. Are you implying that the previous coaching staff did not do
this? If so, please cite which recruits you know were selected based
solely on their ratings without film evaluation.

> I don't doubt that a lot of the 3, 4 and 5 star recruits are
> pretty good.  I also think alot of the players that never touch the
> radar screen are pretty good.  I also think without good coaching and a
> plan to develop the talent, all of the recruits will come up well short
> of their potential.

No question about that. I think the previous staff fell far short on
the development aspect of the equation. Success in college athletics
(in any sport!) depends on a lot more than strength or speed or HS
success. An athlete's mental and emotional disposition is just as
large a factor, as are various factors like family situation, health
issues, and yes, even economics. (Film study doesn't do much to
evaluate those things, either.) Coaches must help guide their athletes
through challenges in all those areas, not just physical performance.
I think our staff just wasn't good at some of those things, so while
the ahtletes' flesh was willing, the spirit was weak, if you get my
drift.

> I'm sure that Coach Pelini and his staff will get
> their share of the recruits that Oklahoma and Missouri want.  But they
> will also have a good mix of Nebraska kids that will bring a stronger
> work ethic to the team.

There are plenty of "lazy kids" in Nebraska, and plenty of "hard
workers" in other states. Being from Nebraska is not an automatic
indicator of "work ethic".


-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From dkarre at comcast.net  Wed Dec  5 10:46:27 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Wed Dec  5 10:35:26 2007
Subject: [Husker] Turner Comments
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"[I]t just wasn't meant to be at this particular time." The same article 
notes that TO plans to be around for at least another year.
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=3918&u_sid=10201683
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From andy at knipp.com  Wed Dec  5 10:58:35 2007
From: andy at knipp.com (andy@knipp.com)
Date: Wed Dec  5 10:49:12 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
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Like Skylar, I certainly have ot agree that this is a pretty good post 
(meaning I agree) considering I have not agreed with Jeff on anything 
for several years, that is saying something. :-)



>On The New Coaching Staff:
>
>================================
>
>I am generally pleased with the Bo Pelini hire, and I came out 
publicly
>at one time that he was my candidate. In the end I was hoping that 
the
>hire would have been Jim Grobe. I just feel that Grobe is a guy that 
has
>won, as a HEAD COACH, at every place he has ever coached. That aside, 
I
>think Pelini should be just fine. I must admit however that I am a
>little disappointed in some of the assistant coach hires - it really
>does just feel like 2003 all over again. We will have to wait and see
>how the rest of the staff comes out, and how they actually perform, 
but
>as of right now I would give it a B, maybe a B-minus. 
I happen to agree. I like Bo, but still thought Grobe was my #1 
choice. Bo was 1a and Turner 1b. As to the assistants, I am surprised 
that so many of the old guard have returned. You also need to look at 
each individual one as to if he was a good hire. Cotton is a good OL 
coach who also has been OC. I like Watson as the OC and Cotton as the 
OL. Brown and Turner Gill were 2 of the best recruiters in the old 
guard (former TO staff). Brown also was very good at teaching WR to 
block, they could catch too, but blocking was their forte, TE coach 
works. Gilmore and Watson work nicely as the other O coaches. 

On the D, I like Sanders, I will be interested to see what the 
responsibilities are. Bo has to realize that he is a HC and not a DC, 
so I would like to see Sanders as the DC (with a  significant amount of 
input from Bo). Carl Pelini was the DL coach at Ohio. So it is not just 
that he has the same name. The other 2 from LSU I have no idea about, I 
can only hope that the grad student makes the same transition that Tim 
Albin did when he joined the staff. 

I also wonder where the last coach will fall. RB coach ? See if NU can 
steal Mackovicka from VA (I think he is the RB coach there). You won't 
see Tom Rathman on the staff, why leave the NFL for college ? Besides, 
unless Lane Kiffin were to fire him, history shows Al Davis will not 
let him out of his contract.

>
> 
>
>On Shawn Watson:
>
>================================
>
>I think it was a very, very wise move to retain Watson. I know some
>people have questioned why people think he can coach/coordinate and 
the
>answer is simple - BECAUSE HE CAN! While a part of it was inserting 
Ganz
>into the lineup, look at how much more effective and dynamic the 
offense
>was once Callahan got out of the way and let Watson start calling the
>plays! Watson schemed to highlight Ganz's strengths, including adding
>wrinkles like some option runs out of the spread formation, etc. I 
think
>we will see a far more diverse offensive attack under Watson that 
will
>include some components of the WCO, option, spread, etc. I would also
>anticipate that the terminology will be far less complex and a lot
>easier for players to assimilate to. Don't rush to judgment on Watson 
so
>quickly - we have to see what he can do when he isn't suffocating 
under
>Callahan. 

100% correct.
>
> 
>
>On Recruiting:
>
>================================
>
>Since people hate star systems and we all realize they are totally
>subjective and in many cases arbitrary, let me explain this in a
>different way. When it comes to the athletes we are recruiting, it 
gives
>me a tremendous amount of pause when we start offering scholarships 
to
>players that no other schools are offering or that schools that are 
not
>typically competitive are offering. While every team is a little
>different and they all recruit athletes to fit their systems - I feel
>far more comfortable when we are recruiting athletes that at least 
upper
>division Big 12 schools are also recruiting. I know there are 
exceptions
>to the rule and that player development is speculative at best, but I
>feel a whole lot better bringing in a kid that Oklahoma and Missouri
>might also have recruited rather than a kid that Chadron and Wayne 
State
>recruited. I know that many of us have this love affair with the 
whole
>idea of every kid off of every farm in Nebraska getting a chance to 
play
>at Nebraska, but that just isn't realistic. We need better athletes -
>not 3 or 4 or 5 star athletes, but athletes that other schools - 
schools
>who are watching the same game films as we are, are also interested 
in.
>Period.  


No question NU needs great athletes. No one disagrees. History has 
also shown that very good players may have been marginal prospects. Bo 
has to recruit players that will excel in his system and adjust that 
system to make use of the players he has. 

I also think that NU may take a shot on an in state kid as opposed to 
the same kid living in Texas. Why ? With NU dominating the recruiting 
in NE, it can also get more walk ons. Of a 20 recruit class, it is nice 
to have 3-7 or so local players. 

Ben Cotton certainly deserves a D1 scholarship. Getting an offer from 
Louisville shows that. I will be interested in where Kreikemeier plays, 
No idea. Obviously there is something that made TO and Bo think he will 
be a player.  You can say the same things about Aaron Taylor, plus a 
bunch of guys who never say the field. 

One final note, Bo has always been considered a poor recruiter. I have 
no idea why that is the idea and whether it is true or not. I certainly 
believe he knows the importance of recruiting to the team and will not 
let it go unattended. He certainly does not have the personality of a 
Barry Switzer (reminds of of President Clinton), whether you like him 
or not, people I know that have met him have been mesmerized by him. I 
do not expect Bo to feel as one of the family when he is meeting a 
recruit for the 1st time.

Andy


From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 11:31:06 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Wed Dec  5 11:20:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
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We won most of our games not because of a "way" we did things, but  
because Tom Osborne was a great coach. He constantly plays this down  
and doesn't give himself that much credit, but that's why we won so  
many games.

Solich fired, Callahan hired, fails, then fired, and the reaction is  
we have to return to where we were. What I'm cautioning against is  
drinking the same koolaid we drank when Callahan was hired.

And be honest. We're not talking about being happy with winning 75% of  
our games, are we? We're talking about winning the Big 12, or a  
national title at some point.

Otherwise, this thing is a failure, right?

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 5, 2007, at 7:46 AM, j j wrote:

> Kind of funny how the old way was pretty successful for 3 head  
> coaches but the "new way" was not at all successful but we should  
> watch what we wish for, a return to the old way. Yeah I would hate  
> for us to start winning 75% of our games. Oh yeah, I forgot, no one  
> can do that anymore. Seems like there are a few teams still doing  
> it, Florida, Ohio State, USC, etc.
>
>
>
>
> jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
> Careful what you ask for, you might get it. While the star ratings
> might be arbitrary, most of those athletes are still going to be the
> guys you want to get.
>
> What I fear most is this idea that we bring back Husker everybody and
> try to re-create the past with the idea that we can go back and
> everything will be wonderful.... well, except fan expectations will be
> so high that there's no chance of long-term success.
>
> Looks like a lot of what we're going to do.... I just hope it's
> successful, but I wouldn't bet heavily on it.
>
> Jon Johnston
> http://www.cornnation.com
> On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:04 PM, todd strong wrote:
>
> > I've seen enough stars for one lifetime.
> > Gimme the boys from the farm anyday, throw in burner or two from
> > down south.
> >
> > "Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
> > ----- Original Message ----- From:
> > To: "Husker"
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Reportedly the "smaller" Cotton is a 3 star TE from Iowa 6-6 225  
> (for
> >> those who care about the number of stars anymore)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> ----Original Message----
> >>> From: John.Killmar@stjude.org
> >>> Date: Dec 4, 2007 14:14
> >>> To: "Husker"
> >>> Subj: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
> >>>
> >>> I thought the first article was great. I hope this trend in
> >> recruiting
> >>> in state continues.
> >>>
> >>> John Killmar
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On
> >> Behalf
> >>> Of Lynette Tillner
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:00 PM
> >>> To: Husker
> >>> Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
> >>>
> >>> Bo and TO are losing no time.
> >>>
> >>> TO offers scholarship:
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/2dfsha
> >>>
> >>> Bo brings in 2 Cottons (Barney and Son Ben):
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/2e7xux
> >>>
> >>> Who are the 9 assistants referred to in the Cotton article?
> >>>
> >>> Ron Brown, Barney Cotton and ??? CONFIRMED names (not just rumors)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Lynette
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Lynette Tillner
> >>> ltillner@yahoo.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  
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From george.rapp at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 12:17:50 2007
From: george.rapp at gmail.com (George Rapp)
Date: Wed Dec  5 12:06:44 2007
Subject: [Husker] HuskerPedia (was: Coaches Kids getting Harrassed)
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Suggestion for 'Husker List etiquette:


> http://64.131.67.10/vbbs/link_does_not_matter_but_destination_site does<http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker>
>
>
Links to HuskerPedia forums are of limited value.  You cannot stop the
monkeys from flinging their feces around their own cage, but I submit that
we don't need to waste Mike's bandwidth helping them spread it elsewhere.

Thanks.

George
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    finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.  - Marcus Aurelius
From marklandin at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 12:26:04 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Wed Dec  5 12:15:46 2007
Subject: [Husker] HuskerPedia (was: Coaches Kids getting Harrassed)
In-Reply-To: <f1f3dd8f0712051017k7e0f293dm4337acef418d76a9@mail.gmail.com>
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Is it just Huskerpedia we are talking about? What about other message
boards? What external information sources would be allowed?

On 12/5/07, George Rapp <george.rapp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Suggestion for 'Husker List etiquette:
>
>
> > http://64.131.67.10/vbbs/link_does_not_matter_but_destination_site does<http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker>
> >
> >
> Links to HuskerPedia forums are of limited value.  You cannot stop the
> monkeys from flinging their feces around their own cage, but I submit that
> we don't need to waste Mike's bandwidth helping them spread it elsewhere.
>
> Thanks.
>
> George
> --
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>    Work: george.rapp -- at -- eds.com (or) george.rapp -- at -- dfas.mil
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From gwfead at cox.net  Wed Dec  5 13:57:58 2007
From: gwfead at cox.net (Gary Fead)
Date: Wed Dec  5 13:47:39 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2008 & 2010 Schedule
Message-ID: <20071205145758.NVDK2.10296.root@eastrmwml33>

Good Afternoon All:

Well we have some schedule changes for 2008. NU will open with Western Michigan on August 30th and the Virginia Tech game will move to September 27th, creating an open date on September 20th.

In addition the 2010 schudule has been unveiled. Home games will include Western Kentucky, Idaho and South Dakota State.

More information on this can be found at "www.huskers.com".

Gary Fead
Omaha

From andy at knipp.com  Wed Dec  5 14:17:55 2007
From: andy at knipp.com (andy@knipp.com)
Date: Wed Dec  5 14:08:23 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2008 & 2010 Schedule
Message-ID: <6730208.1196885875046.JavaMail.?@fh1037.dia.cp.net>



OOOOOh, I wonder how we are going to survive that brutal 2010 non-con 
schedule.


> Afternoon All:
>
>Well we have some schedule changes for 2008. NU will open with 
Western Michigan on August 30th and the Virginia Tech game will move to 
September 27th, creating an open date on September 20th.
>
>In addition the 2010 schudule has been unveiled. Home games will 
include Western Kentucky, Idaho and South Dakota State.
>
>More information on this can be found at "www.huskers.com".
>
>Gary Fead
>Omaha
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
>Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.  The 
problem appears to be on their end.
>


From huskermn at mac.com  Wed Dec  5 14:23:31 2007
From: huskermn at mac.com (Tom Risor)
Date: Wed Dec  5 14:12:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] HuskerPedia (was: Coaches Kids getting Harrassed)
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Mark Landin wrote:
> Is it just Huskerpedia we are talking about? What about other message
> boards? What external information sources would be allowed?
>
> On 12/5/07, George Rapp <george.rapp@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Suggestion for 'Husker List etiquette:
>>
>>
>>     
>>> http://64.131.67.10/vbbs/link_does_not_matter_but_destination_site does<http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Links to HuskerPedia forums are of limited value.  You cannot stop the
>> monkeys from flinging their feces around their own cage, but I submit that
>> we don't need to waste Mike's bandwidth helping them spread it elsewhere.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> George
>> --
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So, only THIS list ever has an intelligent commentary?  Pretty arrogant 
attitude IMHO.

Did you read the post?  I thought it was well written and worth a look.

Tom R

From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Wed Dec  5 14:32:06 2007
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott R Lawson)
Date: Wed Dec  5 14:21:11 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2008 & 2010 Schedule
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Well as long as the Huskers do not go 5-7 I will be satisfied with it,
but call me crazy.

Scott in NY

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OOOOOh, I wonder how we are going to survive that brutal 2010 non-con 
schedule.


> Afternoon All:
>
>Well we have some schedule changes for 2008. NU will open with 
Western Michigan on August 30th and the Virginia Tech game will move to 
September 27th, creating an open date on September 20th.
>
>In addition the 2010 schudule has been unveiled. Home games will 
include Western Kentucky, Idaho and South Dakota State.
>
>More information on this can be found at "www.huskers.com".
>
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From mug135 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  5 14:39:18 2007
From: mug135 at hotmail.com (Dana Williams)
Date: Wed Dec  5 14:28:21 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2008 & 2010 Schedule
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South Dakota State??? What, UNO was not available? 
 
Dana in O.C.
 
> > OOOOOh, I wonder how we are going to survive that brutal 2010 non-con > schedule.> > > > Afternoon All:> >> >Well we have some schedule changes for 2008. NU will open with > Western Michigan on August 30th and the Virginia Tech game will move to > September 27th, creating an open date on September 20th.> >> >In addition the 2010 schudule has been unveiled. Home games will > include Western Kentucky, Idaho and South Dakota State.> >> >More information on this can be found at "www.huskers.com".> >> >Gary Fead> >Omaha> >> >_______________________________________________> >husker site list> >husker@tssi.com> >http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker> >> >Note: Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently. The > problem appears to be on their end.> >> > > _______________________________________________> husker site list> husker@tssi.com> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker> > Note: Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently. The problem appears to be on their end.
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From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Wed Dec  5 15:05:02 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Wed Dec  5 14:53:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] Tom's Legacy - Response to jeff volk
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I keep hearing this kind of crap and it is irritating to me.  

"If SP hadn't fired him, we would have fired both . . .AD and HC . . ."

Huh?  After a 9-3 season on the way to a 10-3 season?  I don't think so.  The rationale to find out of FS's revamping of the program would continue was far more compeling to most fans than the urgency of getting rid of a 75% career coach.  Dip back again to .500, then OK but at least wait out another season to find out.  No AD gets fired for watching a head coach go from 7-7 to 10-3.

"the team's talent going downhill"

This isn't a given either despite the fact it gets repeated all the time.  First, I read one quote this week that 8 of the 11 defensive starters from 2003 played in the NFL.  I haven't rechecked the fact, but there were quite a few.  Second, IF talent were actually down, AND Callahan and Co were great recruiters, why were so many of FS's recruits still starting the last couple of years?  Last year there were what, 7 starters from FS recruiting classes on D alone?  Fewer on O due to the change in systems, but hardly devoid of FS talent.  In fact, NU had more senior starters than most Big 12 teams (and certainly more than OU and UMissouri).

That is simply revisionist history.  The truth is that A. Frank isn't as good as TO (Did we expect him to be?) and B. SP wanted to micromanage the football program from the AD spot and FS wouldn't let him, so SP fired him despite a 9-3 record.

In my mind, I have a hurdle rate of .750 and if Bo outperforms that, he is a success and if not then I'll be complaining in four years.  FWIW, I had stated the same goal for BC and wasn't complaining (at least not strongly) about his performance until the wheels came off the defense.

[/rant]
Duane Feldman


----- Original Message ----
From: jon johnston jon.johnston@gmail.com

Had Frank stayed,  
the team's talent going downhill, if SP hadn't fired him, we would  
have fired both the athletic director and head coach (this isn't about   
whether or not the guy would have been successful, it's about a point  
of view), which is where we'll be if Tom's experiment doesn't work out.





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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 15:17:43 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Wed Dec  5 15:06:49 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2008 & 2010 Schedule
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Pretty damned hard to go .750 win/loss when you schedule this stuff, eh?

Sad thing is, it isn't just us. It's everywhere. The NCAA expanded the  
season to 12 games so they could feed us crap and we'd all just lap it  
up, all the while being told we're not true fans unless we keep buying  
tickets.

Across the board, the product is getting worse.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com
On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Dana Williams wrote:

>
> South Dakota State??? What, UNO was not available?
>
> Dana in O.C.
>
>>> OOOOOh, I wonder how we are going to survive that brutal 2010 non- 
>>> con > schedule.> > > > Afternoon All:> >> >Well we have some  
>>> schedule changes for 2008. NU will open with > Western Michigan on  
>>> August 30th and the Virginia Tech game will move to > September  
>>> 27th, creating an open date on September 20th.> >> >In addition  
>>> the 2010 schudule has been unveiled. Home games will > include  
>>> Western Kentucky, Idaho and South Dakota State.> >> >More  
>>> information on this can be found at "www.huskers.com".> >> >Gary  
>>> Fead> >Omaha> >> >_______________________________________________>  
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From sklarbodds at cox.net  Wed Dec  5 15:32:43 2007
From: sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Wed Dec  5 15:22:27 2007
Subject: [Husker] OT: Westroads
Message-ID: <00a401c83786$5f398690$1dac93b0$@net>

There was a shooting spree at Westroads this afternoon.  For those of you
who haven?t heard (it?s on ketv.com and cnn.com):

http://www.ketv.com/video/14779144/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/05/mall.shooting/index.html

 

I hope nobody on this list was in the mall at that time.  I work in Regency
about ? mile from where the shooting occurred and news traveled to us pretty
fast.

 

--

Skylar

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From J1a2c3k at aol.com  Wed Dec  5 15:36:27 2007
From: J1a2c3k at aol.com (J1a2c3k@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec  5 15:26:47 2007
Subject: [Husker] OT: Westroads
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In a message dated 12/5/2007 4:34:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
sklarbodds@cox.net writes:

There was a  shooting spree at Westroads this afternoon.  For those of you
who  haven?t heard (it?s on ketv.com and cnn.com):




Been "live" on TV Fox news
 
Jack

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because your character is what you really are;
your  reputation is merely what others think you are.
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From huskertt at charter.net  Wed Dec  5 16:16:08 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Wed Dec  5 16:09:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
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Jeff...what a great post.

Remember in Ground Hog Day, bad stuff kept happening until he got it right. 
Hopefully, TO got it right the first time.

Some quick comments:

ASSISTANT COACHES:  I think so many former Huskers coaches were selected to 
satisfy the boosters.  Not for their ability.  If they were so great, why 
weren't they employed in big time programs (some weren't employed at all)? 
Personally, I like Ron Brown...as a person and as a coach.  The rest, only 
time will tell.

SHAWN WATSON:  Again, only time will tell, but he does know the 
offense...and the players.   A major problem with Callahan was that he was 
unwilling to gradually work in his offense with the players already in 
place.  That first season could have been better if he had run something a 
little different.  I think this is a good hire.

RECRUITING:  For those on the list...name former Husker scholarship (not 
walk-on) players from Nebraska who were not highly recruited by other 
programs and yet were stars under Osborne.  I can't think of any.  Not 
saying there weren't great players from Nebraska, just saying that they were 
recruited by a lot of other folks.  I think this recent recruit from 
Nebraska was done for show.  He may turn out to be a superstar, but the only 
reason he was offered a scholarship at this particular time was to show the 
Husker Nation that recruiting in Nebraska has resumed.  As for 4-5 star 
players...hmm...Turner Gill, Tommie Frazier, Mike Rozier, Christian Peter, 
Lawrence Phillips, Ahman Green(actually from Nebraska!), etc.  Gotta have em 
if you want to win championships.

BCS:  I like it...I hate it...no wait...I like it...I can't make up my mind. 
Kind of like boxing.  No one knows who the real champion is, but it's fun to 
talk about...ad nauseum!

SOS:  When I lived in Alabama during the 80's, I took a lot of crap about 
Nebraska's nonconference schedule.  Yeah, it's better than K-St's, but in 
reality, it's usually pretty light.

FAN EXPECTATIONS:  I don't know about anyone else, but I want to see 
championships...every year.  With a good defense this year, Nebraska would 
have had one, I think.  Let's hope Pelini can right the ship.  I would like 
the Huskers to win the Big XII immediately.  Believe it or not, but I think 
that should have happened this year...Cosgrove's defense...especially the 
DB's playing off the receivers...ARGHHH.

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED" 


From HuskerGuy9495 at aol.com  Wed Dec  5 16:26:57 2007
From: HuskerGuy9495 at aol.com (HuskerGuy9495@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec  5 16:19:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] Fwd: AAFL Newsletter: December 5, 2007;
	Watch the Tennessee Tryouts Online
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Watch Eric Crouch tryout for the Tennessee Team of the All-American  Football 
League Thursday and Friday online
 
Guy Drobny  in DFW




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From andy at knipp.com  Wed Dec  5 16:48:30 2007
From: andy at knipp.com (andy@knipp.com)
Date: Wed Dec  5 16:39:00 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
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Zach Weigert #4 in his class at NU for OL, behind Joel Getsky, Brendan 
Stai and Rob Zateska. He was the #60 something nationwide OT. Aaron 
Taylor (from TX not NU) was a 1 star, NU had to beat out SMU and NM 
State, TCU and Texas Tech declined to offer (and they were lousy then)


>RECRUITING:  For those on the list...name former Husker scholarship 
(not 
>walk-on) players from Nebraska who were not highly recruited by 
other 
>programs and yet were stars under Osborne.  I can't think of any.  
Not 
>saying there weren't great players from Nebraska, just saying that 
they were 
>recruited by a lot of other folks.  I think this recent recruit from 
>Nebraska was done for show.  He may turn out to be a superstar, but 
the only 
>reason he was offered a scholarship at this particular time was to 
show the 
>Husker Nation that recruiting in Nebraska has resumed.  As for 4-5 
star 
>players...hmm...Turner Gill, Tommie Frazier, Mike Rozier, Christian 
Peter, 
>Lawrence Phillips, Ahman Green(actually from Nebraska!), etc.  Gotta 
have em 
>if you want to win championships.
>

From theo at heise.nu  Wed Dec  5 17:05:19 2007
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Wed Dec  5 16:55:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, jon johnston wrote:

> And be honest. We're not talking about being happy with winning 
> 75% of our games, are we? We're talking about winning the Big 12, 
> or a national title at some point.
>
> Otherwise, this thing is a failure, right?

Probably both are possible.  A 75% winning record over several 
years is unlikely to be 75% every year, and more than likely to 
include some up years with better than 75% records and the 
associated titles.

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From J1a2c3k at aol.com  Wed Dec  5 17:05:06 2007
From: J1a2c3k at aol.com (J1a2c3k@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec  5 16:57:42 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
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In a message dated 12/5/2007 5:22:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
huskertt@charter.net writes:

SOS:   When I lived in Alabama during the 80's, I took a lot of crap about  
Nebraska's nonconference schedule.  Yeah, it's better than K-St's,  but in 
reality, it's usually pretty light.



You know, many years ago, the Huskers played the Akron Zips....(and I  think 
gave them about $450,000], then, John Cooper, the Ohio State  Coach criticized 
the Huskers for playing such a 'patsy'...
 
a year or two later when Ohio State was playing Akron, he  indicated that the 
big in-state teams had to help the smaller schools  financially...mmmmmmmmmm
 
Jack K

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because your character is what you really are;
your  reputation is merely what others think you are.
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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Wed Dec  5 17:32:50 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Wed Dec  5 17:21:51 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712051803010.22360@linus.heise.nu>
References: <805957.6911.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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You are correct. However, you didn't answer my question. :)

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Theodore Heise wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, jon johnston wrote:
>
>> And be honest. We're not talking about being happy with winning 75%  
>> of our games, are we? We're talking about winning the Big 12, or a  
>> national title at some point.
>>
>> Otherwise, this thing is a failure, right?
>
> Probably both are possible.  A 75% winning record over several years  
> is unlikely to be 75% every year, and more than likely to include  
> some up years with better than 75% records and the associated titles.
>
> -- 
> Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA
>
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From strongtodd at msn.com  Wed Dec  5 18:09:08 2007
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Wed Dec  5 17:57:53 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
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The failure is not in wins and losses completely.....it's the way the wins and losses come.
Oh heck with it all.......I have goose bumps regarding next year and can't wait.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jon johnston 
  To: j j 
  Cc: todd strong ; Husker 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [Husker] 2 Cottons


  We won most of our games not because of a "way" we did things, but because Tom Osborne was a great coach. He constantly plays this down and doesn't give himself that much credit, but that's why we won so many games. 


  Solich fired, Callahan hired, fails, then fired, and the reaction is we have to return to where we were. What I'm cautioning against is drinking the same koolaid we drank when Callahan was hired. 



  And be honest. We're not talking about being happy with winning 75% of our games, are we? We're talking about winning the Big 12, or a national title at some point. 


  Otherwise, this thing is a failure, right? 


  Jon Johnston
  http://www.cornnation.com


  On Dec 5, 2007, at 7:46 AM, j j wrote:


    Kind of funny how the old way was pretty successful for 3 head coaches but the "new way" was not at all successful but we should watch what we wish for, a return to the old way. Yeah I would hate for us to start winning 75% of our games. Oh yeah, I forgot, no one can do that anymore. Seems like there are a few teams still doing it, Florida, Ohio State, USC, etc. 




    jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
      Careful what you ask for, you might get it. While the star ratings 
      might be arbitrary, most of those athletes are still going to be the 
      guys you want to get.

      What I fear most is this idea that we bring back Husker everybody and 
      try to re-create the past with the idea that we can go back and 
      everything will be wonderful.... well, except fan expectations will be 
      so high that there's no chance of long-term success.

      Looks like a lot of what we're going to do.... I just hope it's 
      successful, but I wouldn't bet heavily on it.

      Jon Johnston
      http://www.cornnation.com
      On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:04 PM, todd strong wrote:

      > I've seen enough stars for one lifetime.
      > Gimme the boys from the farm anyday, throw in burner or two from 
      > down south.
      >
      > "Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
      > ----- Original Message ----- From: 
      > To: "Husker" 
      > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:26 PM
      > Subject: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
      >
      >
      >>
      >>
      >> Reportedly the "smaller" Cotton is a 3 star TE from Iowa 6-6 225 (for
      >> those who care about the number of stars anymore)
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>> ----Original Message----
      >>> From: John.Killmar@stjude.org
      >>> Date: Dec 4, 2007 14:14
      >>> To: "Husker"
      >>> Subj: RE: [Husker] 2 Cottons
      >>>
      >>> I thought the first article was great. I hope this trend in
      >> recruiting
      >>> in state continues.
      >>>
      >>> John Killmar
      >>>
      >>> -----Original Message-----
      >>> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On
      >> Behalf
      >>> Of Lynette Tillner
      >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:00 PM
      >>> To: Husker
      >>> Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
      >>>
      >>> Bo and TO are losing no time.
      >>>
      >>> TO offers scholarship:
      >>>
      >>> http://tinyurl.com/2dfsha
      >>>
      >>> Bo brings in 2 Cottons (Barney and Son Ben):
      >>>
      >>> http://tinyurl.com/2e7xux
      >>>
      >>> Who are the 9 assistants referred to in the Cotton article?
      >>>
      >>> Ron Brown, Barney Cotton and ??? CONFIRMED names (not just rumors)
      >>>
      >>> Thanks
      >>>
      >>> Lynette
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Lynette Tillner
      >>> ltillner@yahoo.com
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
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From kmckillip at houston.rr.com  Wed Dec  5 18:21:31 2007
From: kmckillip at houston.rr.com (Kenneth McKillip)
Date: Wed Dec  5 18:11:11 2007
Subject: [Husker] Tom's Legacy - Response to jeff volk
In-Reply-To: <AC1844CD-8610-453E-B5F9-9DEDC1FE5F48@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c8379d$f50de1e0$6600a8c0@userc62e806ee2>

Jon -

You always try to sneak in a jab at the talent Frank recruited.

Last time when presented with data you said you were wrong.  Why try it
again?

-----Original Message-----
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jon johnston
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:00 AM
To: Jeff Volk
Cc: husker@tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] Tom's Legacy - Response to jeff volk

On Dec 5, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Jeff Volk wrote:

>
>
> Seriously, let's just say that the Pelini experience doesn't work. As
> the guy who hired him and was so vocal about what needed to change in
> the program (walkons, Nebraska kids, etc.) what is the risk to Tom's
> legacy IF this is a total flop?

Hmmmm.... you know, you come in here, put all your grenades in one  
basket and throw them at once. It's just not fair, man, so I'm picking  
the pieces I'll respond to.

So there.

Tom's legacy..... well, no matter what happens, Tom will always be one  
of the greatest college football coaches in history. That's over, done  
with, intact, and can't be taken away.

Now... his record and career as an administrator begins. And in one  
way you haven't mentioned, we rewind to yesterday. Had Frank stayed,  
the team's talent going downhill, if SP hadn't fired him, we would  
have fired both the athletic director and head coach (this isn't about  
whether or not the guy would have been successful, it's about a point  
of view), which is where we'll be if Tom's experiment doesn't work out.

Damage his legacy? Yeah, as a manager, he'll join a list of other guys  
who came back and failed.

In the big journey of Nebraska football, this has to happen. Tom  
Osborne has to return and we had to experience either his success or  
failure.

That's how the story is written.

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From fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  5 18:42:07 2007
From: fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com (Bob Fancher)
Date: Wed Dec  5 18:30:51 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2008 & 2010 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <6730208.1196885875046.JavaMail.?@fh1037.dia.cp.net>
Message-ID: <849282.4645.qm@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well, maybe Washington will have improved by then.


--- "andy@knipp.com" <andy@knipp.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> OOOOOh, I wonder how we are going to survive that
> brutal 2010 non-con 
> schedule.



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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  5 19:05:36 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Wed Dec  5 18:54:20 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?
In-Reply-To: <c38.20845a14.34881550@aol.com>
Message-ID: <630679.35634.qm@web55211.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Sure they would have. There is usually only one or two undefeated teams and then only 3 or 4 more with one loss. As deep as KU went before losing they would have been in the top 5 and Mizzu would have surely been in the top 10 if not the top 5. It is not that unnormal for top teams to lose just for the #2 team to lose 5 weeks in a row. 




Kaufsss@aol.com wrote:       You have to remember how strange this year was though - the #2 team lost  like 5 weeks in a row.  There were not any undefeated high ranked teams or  many 1 loss teams - If this was a normal year - Kansas and Missooo would  not have cracked the top 5.  
  
 Steve Kauf
A Husker fan deep in South Texas
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IN THE DEED THE GLORY


  
 In a message dated 12/5/2007 7:22:46 AM Central Standard Time,  jjj112665@yahoo.com writes:
 I    disagree with you on NU. If they go undefeated or have only 1 loss they will    be towards the top of the polls. I had stated before the start of this season    that any Big XII team that goes undefeated would play for the MNC and Kansas    just about proved me right. The BCS conference teams will always get    preference from pollsters over non-BCS teams. It is biased. And with NUs    upcoming non-conference schedule we should start to worry that people are    getting on the SOS bandwagon.    





Kaufsss@aol.com wrote:    


You      forget the main reason why Hawaii is not higher - they started the      
season lower ranked than any of these teams. Let's say a team like      Georgia played 
the same schedule Hawaii did and went undefeated. Because      Georgia was a 
tradional powerhouse - started the season with some      expectations and a high 
ranking - they would be number 1. Look at Boise      State - after last year - they 
gained a little respect in the polls at      the start of this year. If they would 
have gone undefeated - this year -      with their 'easy' schedule, they would 
have been #1. I think Hawaii has      the same opportunity next year. Take the 
reverse - I think NE has a hard      time rising to the top next year. One loss will 
blow much of their      chances - depending of course on where they start, and if 
the upsets      continue like they did this year. I think it is hard to argue 
against      OSU and LSU - they did what they were supposed to do. I believe 
Georgia      will kill Hawaii - as Oklahoma should have done to Boise State. As long as      
Georgia doesn't play like they are ashamed not to be in the big game -      and 
try to prove they should have been. 

Steve Kauf
A Husker      fan deep in South Texas
NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE ACTION
NOT THE GOAL      BUT THE GAME
IN THE DEED THE GLORY



In a message dated      12/4/2007 2:02:05 PM Central Standard Time, 
surf4evr@msn.com      writes:

Yes, I mean no way OSU or LSU belongs in this game. This game      is suppose to
be about the 2 best teams in college football. This game is      not about that
this year because the 2 best teams are not playing in it.      Here's why the BCS
is flawed. Entering the weekend, Georgia was the      highest rated 2-loss team
in the BCS, Georgia & OSU did not play last      weekend, however OSU rose in the
standings but Georgia dropped to fifth.      Georgia should have rose to number
2. Then you have Hawaii, who is      undefeated this season but because they play
outside of the 6      high-profile conferences they were not even considered.
(This is wrong).      Instead both of these teams belong in the BCS game not LSU
or OSU. This      game should be about the 2 best teams in college football and
it is Not.      Instead it is about who the media wants to play in the game. This
system      needs to change because is flawed.



I know most of you are      going to disagree with me but think about it for a
minute. Hawaii was      never considered a top school because they played a poor
non-conference      schedule but so did KU. KU was undefeated in week twelve and
they were      ranked number two in the country and were not penalized for their
weak      non-conference schedule but Hawaii was penalized for theirs. You      could
say if Hawaii was not penalized for their weak schedule they should      have
been number three in the country at that time. They would have been      number
one after last week because they went undefeated . Instead they      get to play
Georgia in another BCS bowl but not the one that counts the      most and the one
they should both be in.



I'm not lobbying      for either of these teams but I hate it when people say if
you would play      a tougher schedule then you deserve to be there. There are
many teams      that do not play tougher schedules and they are still there i.e
OSU. In      the old days there was no computers but if you were undefeated more
than      likely you would play for the national championship. College      football
today is about big bucks and sooner rather than later the      championship will
not mean much. I just want the 2 best college teams to      play for the
championship every year and this year this is not going to      happen.







Michael J      Schultz

surf4evr@msn.com



From: Sue Smith      [mailto:huskerdana@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:59      AM
To: Michael J Schultz
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad      Decision?



Do you mean no way? 

Michael J Schultz      <surf4evr@msn.com> wrote: 

That is true but the bottom line is      that they still won the game and went
undefeated, which you can't say the      same thing for OSU. There schedule was
not as strong as OSU but OSU did      not to my knowledge beat a top 20 team when
they played. I believe Hawaii      will beat Georgia handily because Georgia's
pass defense is poor.      
There is now way that OSU belongs in this BCS game.

Michael J      Schultz
surf4evr@msn.com


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From:      husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf      Of
Skylar Dodds
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:02 PM
To: 'Husker      List'
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh? Bad Decision?

The      difference is OSU manhandled it's poor opponents while Hawaii      struggled
against a lot of them, IMO.

--
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:00      PM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Huh?      Bad Decision?
> 
> I don't disagree that Hawaii's schedule      wasn't the greatest, but can't we
> say the same thing about Ohio      State???
> 
> Youngstown St.
> Akron
>      Washington
> Northwestern
> Minnesota
> Purdue
>      Kent State
> 
> >
> > On 12/3/07, Scott Stewart      wrote:
> >
> >> If you win all your games, the polls      take care of themselves.
> >
> > - Unless you are      Hawaii.
> >
> > Hawaii won all their games, but nearly      everyone realizes that their
> > schedule
> > didn't      qualify them to be a contender. They barely beat 3 fairly poor
> >      teams
> > on the road, could have been tied by Washington this      weekend - and who
> > knows
> > what might have happened      in overtime. But they did manage to win and
who
> > knows they      might pull a Boise State and beat disappointed Georgia in the
> >      Sugar bowl.
> 
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From jschlechte at usfamily.net  Wed Dec  5 19:14:31 2007
From: jschlechte at usfamily.net (Jay Schlechte)
Date: Wed Dec  5 19:03:39 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
In-Reply-To: <008501c8378c$704c5920$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <000001c837a5$7a334110$0500a8c0@Schlechte>


>ASSISTANT COACHES:  I think so many former Huskers coaches were
selected to 
>satisfy the boosters.  

I don't get your take on this.  Why would Bo choose to handicap himself
in this way?  My thought is he has seen how well some of his former
colleagues connected with and were able to recruit & teach players.  Who
you have on your coaching staff isn't going to "protect" you.  Unless
maybe TO is 9th assistant.

>RECRUITING:  For those on the list...name former Husker scholarship
(not 
>walk-on) players from Nebraska who were not highly recruited by other 
>programs and yet were stars under Osborne.  

Already been done by other listers...

>but the only reason he was offered a scholarship at this particular
time >was to show the Husker Nation that recruiting in Nebraska has
resumed.  

And what's your source?  Again, there are plenty of Nebraska athletes to
recruit and I don't think a scholarship gets used just to show Nebraska
fans "everythings going to be OK."

GBR,

- jay



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From theo at heise.nu  Wed Dec  5 19:40:41 2007
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Wed Dec  5 19:30:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2 Cottons
In-Reply-To: <1D30F287-DB5D-421B-B56D-E1ABBE23CDDF@gmail.com>
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You asked if a 75% winning percentage without titles would be a 
failure.  It's unlikely to have no titles with 75% wins, so that 
question is somewhat moot.  I do think if we somehow averaged 75% 
without ever winning even a Big XII title it would be okay.

To go a little farther (and maybe this is what you meant to ask), 
75% is an excellent average, and I would be satisfied with a lower 
winning percentage--if the academic all-americans keep coming, and 
the staff is principled.  How much lower, I'm not sure.  A 67% 
overall average (8-4) might be tough to be satisfied with.

Ted


On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, jon johnston wrote:

> You are correct. However, you didn't answer my question. :)
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Theodore Heise wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, jon johnston wrote:
>> 
>>> And be honest. We're not talking about being happy with winning 
>>> 75% of our games, are we? We're talking about winning the Big 
>>> 12, or a national title at some point.
>>> 
>>> Otherwise, this thing is a failure, right?
>> 
>> Probably both are possible.  A 75% winning record over several 
>> years is unlikely to be 75% every year, and more than likely to 
>> include some up years with better than 75% records and the 
>> associated titles.

From Crnhusker1 at aol.com  Wed Dec  5 19:59:42 2007
From: Crnhusker1 at aol.com (Crnhusker1@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec  5 19:52:11 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2008 & 2010 Schedule
Message-ID: <d33.1c5b0738.3488b18e@aol.com>

 
<<<Home games will include Western Kentucky, Idaho and South  Dakota State.>>>

 




Wow...that's a tough non-conf. schedule! I hope we're  prepared!
 
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From huskertt at charter.net  Wed Dec  5 22:00:13 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Wed Dec  5 21:53:36 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
References: <000001c837a5$7a334110$0500a8c0@Schlechte>
Message-ID: <010901c837bc$8264e9d0$6c01a8c0@Husker>

What makes you think that Bo did the hiring of the assistants?  How do we 
know that when Bo was offered the job, it was with a stipulation...certain 
assistants would be hired as well?

Seems to me that Bo should have had plenty of connections in his past...NFL 
and college.  And yet, of those that are purported to have been hired, most 
were on the Huskers staff in 2003.

I'm not saying for certain that this is the case.  I'm only thinking that 
the Boosters paid a ton of money for SP and BC to go (along with the other 
assistants).  I imagine they want something in return, and that is for a 
return to tradition.  What better way than to bring back a bunch of former 
Husker coaches...even if they aren't the best and most qualified for their 
jobs?

Don't get me wrong...I really do like the hiring of Pelini, Brown, and 
Sanders.  I just think there is an outside influence.

By the way...has any other Husker Athletic Director ever called a recruit to 
offer a scholarship?  Just wondering, since Tom Osborne called Micah 
Kreikemeier only 30 minutes AFTER Bo Pelini's press conference.  I would 
have thought that either Bo would have made that call, or maybe even decided 
he wanted to evaluate the prospect himself, first.

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Schlechte" <jschlechte@usfamily.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: RE: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...


>
>>ASSISTANT COACHES:  I think so many former Huskers coaches were
> selected to
>>satisfy the boosters.
>
> I don't get your take on this.  Why would Bo choose to handicap himself
> in this way?  My thought is he has seen how well some of his former
> colleagues connected with and were able to recruit & teach players.  Who
> you have on your coaching staff isn't going to "protect" you.  Unless
> maybe TO is 9th assistant.
>
>>RECRUITING:  For those on the list...name former Husker scholarship
> (not
>>walk-on) players from Nebraska who were not highly recruited by other
>>programs and yet were stars under Osborne.
>
> Already been done by other listers...
>
>>but the only reason he was offered a scholarship at this particular
> time >was to show the Husker Nation that recruiting in Nebraska has
> resumed.
>
> And what's your source?  Again, there are plenty of Nebraska athletes to
> recruit and I don't think a scholarship gets used just to show Nebraska
> fans "everythings going to be OK."
>
> GBR,
>
> - jay
>
>
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From woosage at cox.net  Wed Dec  5 22:36:05 2007
From: woosage at cox.net (David Sage)
Date: Wed Dec  5 22:25:53 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
References: <000001c837a5$7a334110$0500a8c0@Schlechte>
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What makes you think that Bo did not hire the assistants?  How do we know 
that Bo was hired with a stipulation to hire certain coaches?
On a side note.  It really doesn't matter if the someone thinks a coach is 
any good or not as long as Bo thinks they are and will work in his system. 
If they don't work out then he will have the choice to get rid of them down 
the line.

Maybe Bo had impute on offering Micah a scholarship.  How do we know.  We 
don't!

That's is what is good and bad about this internet Monday morning 
quarterbacking.  We can all have an opinion.  I guess I just said mine.

David Sage


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From: "Tommy Thompson" <huskertt@charter.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...


> What makes you think that Bo did the hiring of the assistants?  How do we 
> know that when Bo was offered the job, it was with a stipulation...certain 
> assistants would be hired as well?
>
> Seems to me that Bo should have had plenty of connections in his 
> past...NFL and college.  And yet, of those that are purported to have been 
> hired, most were on the Huskers staff in 2003.
>
> I'm not saying for certain that this is the case.  I'm only thinking that 
> the Boosters paid a ton of money for SP and BC to go (along with the other 
> assistants).  I imagine they want something in return, and that is for a 
> return to tradition.  What better way than to bring back a bunch of former 
> Husker coaches...even if they aren't the best and most qualified for their 
> jobs?
>
> Don't get me wrong...I really do like the hiring of Pelini, Brown, and 
> Sanders.  I just think there is an outside influence.
>
> By the way...has any other Husker Athletic Director ever called a recruit 
> to offer a scholarship?  Just wondering, since Tom Osborne called Micah 
> Kreikemeier only 30 minutes AFTER Bo Pelini's press conference.  I would 
> have thought that either Bo would have made that call, or maybe even 
> decided he wanted to evaluate the prospect himself, first.
>
> Tommy Thompson
> "GO BIG RED"
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jay Schlechte" <jschlechte@usfamily.net>
> To: <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
>
>
>>
>>>ASSISTANT COACHES:  I think so many former Huskers coaches were
>> selected to
>>>satisfy the boosters.
>>
>> I don't get your take on this.  Why would Bo choose to handicap himself
>> in this way?  My thought is he has seen how well some of his former
>> colleagues connected with and were able to recruit & teach players.  Who
>> you have on your coaching staff isn't going to "protect" you.  Unless
>> maybe TO is 9th assistant.
>>
>>>RECRUITING:  For those on the list...name former Husker scholarship
>> (not
>>>walk-on) players from Nebraska who were not highly recruited by other
>>>programs and yet were stars under Osborne.
>>
>> Already been done by other listers...
>>
>>>but the only reason he was offered a scholarship at this particular
>> time >was to show the Husker Nation that recruiting in Nebraska has
>> resumed.
>>
>> And what's your source?  Again, there are plenty of Nebraska athletes to
>> recruit and I don't think a scholarship gets used just to show Nebraska
>> fans "everythings going to be OK."
>>
>> GBR,
>>
>> - jay
>>
>>
>>
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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 07:08:01 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Thu Dec  6 06:57:11 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
In-Reply-To: <005901c837c1$842fa570$37e16644@sage>
Message-ID: <929294.99217.qm@web55209.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Yeah I agree David. Also I have only read where two people have been officially hire so far and that is Ron Brown and Barney Cotton. Maybe in the year that Bo was here he liked what Ron did with the recievers and tight ends and what Barney did with the Offensive line. Bo has pretty much said he liked Marvin Sanders as a coach since he left here so I would expect him to be on staff but who knows. All others are pure speculation so far and I have not heard Bo say that he is interested in any of them. We are getting way to worked up over nothing at this point. Wait until the staff is officially hired before you start bitching and complaining. 




David Sage <woosage@cox.net> wrote: What makes you think that Bo did not hire the assistants?  How do we know 
that Bo was hired with a stipulation to hire certain coaches?
On a side note.  It really doesn't matter if the someone thinks a coach is 
any good or not as long as Bo thinks they are and will work in his system. 
If they don't work out then he will have the choice to get rid of them down 
the line.

Maybe Bo had impute on offering Micah a scholarship.  How do we know.  We 
don't!

That's is what is good and bad about this internet Monday morning 
quarterbacking.  We can all have an opinion.  I guess I just said mine.

David Sage


----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...


> What makes you think that Bo did the hiring of the assistants?  How do we 
> know that when Bo was offered the job, it was with a stipulation...certain 
> assistants would be hired as well?
>
> Seems to me that Bo should have had plenty of connections in his 
> past...NFL and college.  And yet, of those that are purported to have been 
> hired, most were on the Huskers staff in 2003.
>
> I'm not saying for certain that this is the case.  I'm only thinking that 
> the Boosters paid a ton of money for SP and BC to go (along with the other 
> assistants).  I imagine they want something in return, and that is for a 
> return to tradition.  What better way than to bring back a bunch of former 
> Husker coaches...even if they aren't the best and most qualified for their 
> jobs?
>
> Don't get me wrong...I really do like the hiring of Pelini, Brown, and 
> Sanders.  I just think there is an outside influence.
>
> By the way...has any other Husker Athletic Director ever called a recruit 
> to offer a scholarship?  Just wondering, since Tom Osborne called Micah 
> Kreikemeier only 30 minutes AFTER Bo Pelini's press conference.  I would 
> have thought that either Bo would have made that call, or maybe even 
> decided he wanted to evaluate the prospect himself, first.
>
> Tommy Thompson
> "GO BIG RED"
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jay Schlechte" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
>
>
>>
>>>ASSISTANT COACHES:  I think so many former Huskers coaches were
>> selected to
>>>satisfy the boosters.
>>
>> I don't get your take on this.  Why would Bo choose to handicap himself
>> in this way?  My thought is he has seen how well some of his former
>> colleagues connected with and were able to recruit & teach players.  Who
>> you have on your coaching staff isn't going to "protect" you.  Unless
>> maybe TO is 9th assistant.
>>
>>>RECRUITING:  For those on the list...name former Husker scholarship
>> (not
>>>walk-on) players from Nebraska who were not highly recruited by other
>>>programs and yet were stars under Osborne.
>>
>> Already been done by other listers...
>>
>>>but the only reason he was offered a scholarship at this particular
>> time >was to show the Husker Nation that recruiting in Nebraska has
>> resumed.
>>
>> And what's your source?  Again, there are plenty of Nebraska athletes to
>> recruit and I don't think a scholarship gets used just to show Nebraska
>> fans "everythings going to be OK."
>>
>> GBR,
>>
>> - jay
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From theo at heise.nu  Thu Dec  6 07:11:45 2007
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Thu Dec  6 07:01:32 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, j j wrote:

>    ...Wait until the staff is officially hired before you start 
> bitching and complaining.

Oh come on!  Where's the fun in that!?

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From toddlowell at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 08:59:10 2007
From: toddlowell at yahoo.com (Todd Richards)
Date: Thu Dec  6 08:47:57 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
In-Reply-To: <000001c837a5$7a334110$0500a8c0@Schlechte>
Message-ID: <926599.45504.qm@web30711.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My feeling is that some of Nebraska's new coaches who are being hired and lined up right now, and who are not currently coaching anywhere are the type of guys who have, and will thrive coaching in the Nebraska environment, and maybe they wouldn't have done so well in other places.  I have no data to back up that feeling.
   
  I like the idea of Trev Alberts coming back in some capacity.  When he was on ESPN he longed for Nebraska to break out and be like the Nebraska of old, and he grieved when they didn't perform up to expectations.  I think these guys will work harder than they normally would if they weren't working for Nebraska, and they will pour their hearts into it.  Pouring their hearts into it is something our coaching staff of previous years was missing.
   
  Todd in Tennessee
  

Jay Schlechte <jschlechte@usfamily.net> wrote:
  
>ASSISTANT COACHES: I think so many former Huskers coaches were
selected to 
>satisfy the boosters. 

I don't get your take on this. Why would Bo choose to handicap himself
in this way? My thought is he has seen how well some of his former
colleagues connected with and were able to recruit & teach players. Who
you have on your coaching staff isn't going to "protect" you. Unless
maybe TO is 9th assistant.

>RECRUITING: For those on the list...name former Husker scholarship
(not 
>walk-on) players from Nebraska who were not highly recruited by other 
>programs and yet were stars under Osborne. 

Already been done by other listers...

>but the only reason he was offered a scholarship at this particular
time >was to show the Husker Nation that recruiting in Nebraska has
resumed. 

And what's your source? Again, there are plenty of Nebraska athletes to
recruit and I don't think a scholarship gets used just to show Nebraska
fans "everythings going to be OK."

GBR,

- jay



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From Kaufsss at aol.com  Thu Dec  6 09:25:36 2007
From: Kaufsss at aol.com (Kaufsss@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec  6 09:16:53 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching Staff, Recruiting, SOS, Etc...
Message-ID: <cf5.19e34221.34896e70@aol.com>

 
 

 
In a message dated 12/5/2007 10:06:03 PM Central Standard Time,  
huskertt@charter.net writes:

"By the way...has any other Husker Athletic Director ever called a recruit  
to 
offer a scholarship?  Just wondering, since Tom Osborne called Micah  
Kreikemeier only 30 minutes AFTER Bo Pelini's press conference.  I  would 
have thought that either Bo would have made that call, or maybe even  decided 
he wanted to evaluate the prospect himself"
 
 
Remember - TO was the head coach at the time - I think NCAA rules would  
dictate that Bo could not contact anybody yet . So I think the answer to the  
question is no - an Athletic Director has never contacted a  recruit!!



 
Steve  Kauf
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From: HuskerGuy9495 at aol.com (HuskerGuy9495@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec  6 11:20:04 2007
Subject: [Husker] TO wins
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From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Thu Dec  6 12:41:57 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Thu Dec  6 12:30:39 2007
Subject: [Husker] 2008 & 2010 Schedule
Message-ID: <9051099.1196966517659.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

After this year's college football season full of upsets, I wouldn't put an automatic "W" by anyone..... especially until we see how much we improve over the next couple of years.

I remember giving Wyoming fans a pretty good dose when they played S. Dakota State a few years back. I hope they don't remember that long.

Mike

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From weldoc at juno.com  Thu Dec  6 14:23:25 2007
From: weldoc at juno.com (weldoc@juno.com)
Date: Thu Dec  6 14:29:30 2007
Subject: [Husker] separation
Message-ID: <20071206.143639.-1630177.25.weldoc@juno.com>

<While the star ratings might be arbitrary, most of those athletes are
still going to be the guys you want to get...What I fear most is this
idea that we bring back Husker everybody and try to re-create the past
with the idea that we can go back and everything will be wonderful....
well, except fan expectations will be so high that there's no chance of
long-term success. -- Jon Johnston>
_____________________

I applaud the return to sanity and ignoring the "star-hype" that so much
of the sports press hangs on. 

It's one of the little differences that separates NU and UT. If the
star-hype worked out as often as it should, UT would have a ton more
National Championship momentoes in its football trophy case.
_______________________________________________________

Also:
<Had Frank stayed,  the team's talent going downhill, if SP hadn't fired
him, we would have fired both the athletic director and head coach (this
isn't about  whether or not the guy would have been successful, it's
about a point of view), which is where we'll be if Tom's experiment
doesn't work out. -- Jon Johnston>
_____________________

I think the MUCH BIGGER "experiment" was throwing complete caution to
wind, hiring an NFL coach with little college experience, then throwing
away traditional proven recruiting methods and finally, going with a
largely-untested WCO attack in a school not well-suited for it.

I think the big point you missed was that so many of us feel that if the
2003 pre-BC coaching staff had been let alone, enough improvement would
have resulted in 2004 that your hypothetical would have never occurred.
>From 1998-2003we had been getting by on talent recruited by tired,
mentally-worn out old guys (Darlington, Tenopir, etc.) who weren't
relating as well to the much-younger players they were working with. [The
Urban Meyer "family approach" seems to be a whole lot more effective.]
I'm not taking anything away from these tremendous, hardworking, loyal NU
coaches. But they were just worn out !

In 2003 we were treated with some new faces, most with NU backgrounds.
Unfortunately, that "experiment" was cut short.  :-(

Guess we will finally get a chance to see how 2004 WOULD have worked out
in 2008. Should be tremendously exciting ! I can't wait !!

Bill Laughlin

From Petemyron at aol.com  Thu Dec  6 14:42:36 2007
From: Petemyron at aol.com (Petemyron@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec  6 14:32:45 2007
Subject: [Husker] Fwd: Re: Fwd:
Message-ID: <27645074.16B5E34E.027708FB@aol.com>

FYI   The origin of the I formation and indirectly the modern passing offense.
From weldoc at juno.com  Thu Dec  6 14:31:16 2007
From: weldoc at juno.com (weldoc@juno.com)
Date: Thu Dec  6 14:37:26 2007
Subject: [Husker] Cotton
Message-ID: <20071206.143639.-1630177.26.weldoc@juno.com>

http://tinyurl.com/2e7xux

Sorry, I'm a couple days behind (my computer room is ice-cold, Brrrrr !).

Why have I heard so many anti-Cotton comments in the past, on and off the
List ?

I'm not enough of an O's and X's guy to try to sort this out. Aside from
the fact that he will shift from OC to OL, what is the attraction, pro or
con, on this guy ?

Bill Laughlin
Wichita, KS

From weldoc at juno.com  Thu Dec  6 14:36:29 2007
From: weldoc at juno.com (weldoc@juno.com)
Date: Thu Dec  6 14:57:49 2007
Subject: [Husker] Rose
Message-ID: <20071206.143639.-1630177.27.weldoc@juno.com>

What was the bottom line on Jim Rose ?

When I heard him the other morning discussing the Osborne
press-conference on BC, it sounded like business-as-usual...He just
decided to quit doing PxP mid-season, w/o any explanation ?  Did I miss
something else ?  Did SP get to him before he left ?  :)

Bill Laughlin
Wichita, KS

From woosage at cox.net  Thu Dec  6 15:43:12 2007
From: woosage at cox.net (David Sage)
Date: Thu Dec  6 15:32:57 2007
Subject: [Husker] Help For Jerry R.
Message-ID: <002601c83851$008a7700$37e16644@sage>

Hey Jerry,

If you want off the list try the following.  Just send a email to the address below.

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I think that will get you what you want but I am not 100% sure.

David

From huskertt at charter.net  Thu Dec  6 15:54:17 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Thu Dec  6 15:47:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] Rose
References: <20071206.143639.-1630177.27.weldoc@juno.com>
Message-ID: <018001c83852$8e291570$6c01a8c0@Husker>

Purely health reasons.

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
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> What was the bottom line on Jim Rose ?
>
> When I heard him the other morning discussing the Osborne
> press-conference on BC, it sounded like business-as-usual...He just
> decided to quit doing PxP mid-season, w/o any explanation ?  Did I miss
> something else ?  Did SP get to him before he left ?  :)
>
> Bill Laughlin
> Wichita, KS
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From dopc67 at comcast.net  Thu Dec  6 16:55:46 2007
From: dopc67 at comcast.net (STUART JONES)
Date: Thu Dec  6 16:35:21 2007
Subject: [Husker] TO wins
Message-ID: <000001c8385b$23f13990$0400a8c0@StuDesktop>

I would love to see Herbstreit's reaction to this.
-Stuart Jones, frequent voter in the poll

From ltillner at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 21:40:20 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Thu Dec  6 21:28:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] Staff out Recruiting
Message-ID: <176944.70772.qm@web52402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


This article says, Watson, Gilmore, Cotton, Osborne and Pelini are
all out visiting recruits. Interesting article...

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=3918&u_sid=10202719

Looks like we may see more sons of former players back at NU in the
future. 

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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 22:33:42 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Thu Dec  6 22:22:19 2007
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska adds a couple of assistants from LSU
Message-ID: <997445.75627.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Add Mike Ekeler and John Papuchis to the list of
assistants at Nebraska.  Ekeler is a K-State grad from
Blair who was a grad assistant at Oklahoma in 2004 and
followed Bo Pelini to LSU the last three years. 
Papuchis was a grad assistant at LSU recently.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10203450

So, here's what the Husker coaching staff looks like:

Shawn Watson (Off. Coordinator?  QB's?  RB's?)
Ted Gilmore (WR's?)
Barney Cotton (Off. Line)
Ron Brown (TE's)
Marvin Sanders (Def. Coordinator?  Secondary?)
Carl Pelini (Def. Line?)
Mike Ekeler  (LB's?)
John Papuchis

Leaving one more opening, which might be filled tomorrow...

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From jstlucas at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 23:00:51 2007
From: jstlucas at yahoo.com (Joseph St.Lucas)
Date: Thu Dec  6 22:56:14 2007
Subject: [Husker] Donations since Pelini was hired?
Message-ID: <704775.37328.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Remember a month or so back when we were hearing about people pulling
their money and support due to the possibility of a coaching change? 
Is there any word about more or less or no difference in donations to
the athletic department now that Pelini is coming?

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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 23:23:37 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Thu Dec  6 23:12:13 2007
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska adds a couple of assistants from LSU
In-Reply-To: <997445.75627.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <415571.26988.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

This is sounding like Pelini is going for ATTIDUDE, WORK ETHIC and
DESIRE in his coaches. That's good news. I'll put my eggs in this
basket and let Pelini, Osborne and other more seasoned coaches on the
staff mentor them up! 

This is going to be fun! 

GBR.

Lynette

--- Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Add Mike Ekeler and John Papuchis to the list of
> assistants at Nebraska.  Ekeler is a K-State grad from
> Blair who was a grad assistant at Oklahoma in 2004 and
> followed Bo Pelini to LSU the last three years. 
> Papuchis was a grad assistant at LSU recently.
> 
> http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10203450
> 
> So, here's what the Husker coaching staff looks like:
> 
> Shawn Watson (Off. Coordinator?  QB's?  RB's?)
> Ted Gilmore (WR's?)
> Barney Cotton (Off. Line)
> Ron Brown (TE's)
> Marvin Sanders (Def. Coordinator?  Secondary?)
> Carl Pelini (Def. Line?)
> Mike Ekeler  (LB's?)
> John Papuchis
> 
> Leaving one more opening, which might be filled tomorrow...
> 
> Mike Jaixen
> Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
> 
> 
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  6 23:25:25 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Thu Dec  6 23:14:01 2007
Subject: [Husker] Donations since Pelini was hired?
In-Reply-To: <704775.37328.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <785094.88574.qm@web52405.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I read something on journalstar.com or omaha.com that the Donors were
pleased. There was even a quote from Cook about Pelini being a good
choice. I don't think that will be an issue, especially with Osborne
as the AD. 

Lynette

--- "Joseph St.Lucas" <jstlucas@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Remember a month or so back when we were hearing about people
> pulling
> their money and support due to the possibility of a coaching
> change? 
> Is there any word about more or less or no difference in donations
> to
> the athletic department now that Pelini is coming?
> 
> Joe
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From MartinDW at stlukes.org  Fri Dec  7 00:11:16 2007
From: MartinDW at stlukes.org (Martin, Douglas)
Date: Fri Dec  7 00:02:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
References: <200712070427.lB74Rkvo026465@romaine.tssi.com>
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How about Mike Minter as a DB coach??
 
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From marklandin at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 00:21:11 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Fri Dec  7 00:09:55 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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On Dec 7, 2007 12:11 AM, Martin, Douglas <MartinDW@stlukes.org> wrote:
> How about Mike Minter as a DB coach??

What coaching experience does he have?

I don't understand why people think great players can be great
coaches. If that were true, there would be no unemployed Heisman
trophy winners, right?

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From kurt_gauger at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 06:08:48 2007
From: kurt_gauger at yahoo.com (Kurt Gauger)
Date: Fri Dec  7 05:57:26 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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Does this count?

http://www.realcities.com/mld/charlotte/business/columnists/langston_wertz/17851136.htm

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On Dec 7, 2007 12:11 AM, Martin, Douglas <MartinDW@stlukes.org> wrote:
> How about Mike Minter as a DB coach??

What coaching experience does he have?

I don't understand why people think great players can be great
coaches. If that were true, there would be no unemployed Heisman
trophy winners, right?

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From MartinDW at stlukes.org  Fri Dec  7 08:29:19 2007
From: MartinDW at stlukes.org (Martin, Douglas)
Date: Fri Dec  7 08:18:49 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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Well, none, because he was playing in the NFL for 12 years up until this
year.

Surely you are not suggesting that all coaches that NU hires must have a
requisite number of years of experience.

I also believe that Mike has expressed some interest publicly.  

I wish you would not leap to a generalized statement based upon an n=1
comment.  I think Bo Pelini was a former player, and if you look at the
current list of assumed assistants there are quite a few successful
former players.

I don't assume anything, I am expressing a comment that may bring a very
dedicated and successful college and pro player who has strong NU ties
back into the fold.

Douglas W. Martin, MD, FAADEP, FACOEM, FAAFP
 
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On Dec 7, 2007 12:11 AM, Martin, Douglas <MartinDW@stlukes.org> wrote:
> How about Mike Minter as a DB coach??

What coaching experience does he have?

I don't understand why people think great players can be great
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Date: Fri Dec  7 11:33:34 2007
Subject: [Husker] History
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FYI   The origin of the I formation and indirectly the modern passing game. I forgot to attach the URL previously.

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From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Fri Dec  7 13:04:14 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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> 
> On Dec 7, 2007 12:11 AM, Martin, Douglas <MartinDW@stlukes.org> wrote:
> > How about Mike Minter as a DB coach??
> 
> What coaching experience does he have?
> 
> I don't understand why people think great players can be great
> coaches. If that were true, there would be no unemployed Heisman
> trophy winners, right?

Why do you think that great players can't be great coaches?  There are so many contradictions to this in real life that listing them would be pointless.  Just one example is Steve Spurrier.  He won the Heisman Trophy and is in the College Hall of Fame as a player.  And he is one hell of a great coach, make no mistake.  Not sure where you are going with this.

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From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Fri Dec  7 13:31:43 2007
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott R Lawson)
Date: Fri Dec  7 13:20:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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I think this is a matter of phrasing to be honest- I would say that being a great player doesn't GUARANTEE one will be a great coach- perhaps that is what this poster was trying to say? I would agree with that for sure, but it's also true that many great players have gone on to become great coaches (in most all sports).

Scott in NY



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Subject: RE: [Husker] DB coach


> 
> On Dec 7, 2007 12:11 AM, Martin, Douglas <MartinDW@stlukes.org> wrote:
> > How about Mike Minter as a DB coach??
> 
> What coaching experience does he have?
> 
> I don't understand why people think great players can be great
> coaches. If that were true, there would be no unemployed Heisman
> trophy winners, right?

Why do you think that great players can't be great coaches?  There are so many contradictions to this in real life that listing them would be pointless.  Just one example is Steve Spurrier.  He won the Heisman Trophy and is in the College Hall of Fame as a player.  And he is one hell of a great coach, make no mistake.  Not sure where you are going with this.

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From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Fri Dec  7 14:01:48 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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On 12/7/07, Scott R Lawson <SLawson@uamail.albany.edu> wrote:
> I think this is a matter of phrasing to be honest- I would say that being a great player doesn't GUARANTEE one will be a great coach- perhaps that is what this poster was trying to say? I would agree with that for sure, but it's also true that many great players have gone on to become great coaches (in most all sports).
>
> Scott in NY
>

Scott, yes this is exactly what I meant to say, but you obviously said
it more clearly. :)

There is little correlation between great playing and great coaching.
You can find plenty of examples of one without the other in all
sports.

Being a great player does not automatically disqualify Mike Minter
from being an effective coach at NU (or anywhere else), but neither
does it qualify him.


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From gbrlist at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  7 18:21:15 2007
From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Fri Dec  7 18:10:08 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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> On 12/7/07, Scott R Lawson <SLawson@uamail.albany.edu> wrote:
> > I think this is a matter of phrasing to be honest- I would say that being a great player doesn't GUARANTEE one will be a great coach- perhaps that is what this poster was trying to say? I would agree with that for sure, but it's also true that many great players have gone on to become great coaches (in most all sports).
> >
> > Scott in NY
> >
> 
> Scott, yes this is exactly what I meant to say, but you obviously said
> it more clearly. :)
> 
> There is little correlation between great playing and great coaching.
> You can find plenty of examples of one without the other in all
> sports.
> 
> Being a great player does not automatically disqualify Mike Minter
> from being an effective coach at NU (or anywhere else), but neither
> does it qualify him.

So then the suggestion offered of Mike Minter being the DB coach wasn't necessarily a bad one, was it?  It didn't sound like the person suggesting it was guaranteeing anything, just offered the idea.  So since we've established that a great player can be a great coach, why the negativity?

Dave

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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 20:07:38 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Fri Dec  7 19:56:27 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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Come on, guys. The guy has no real coaching experience. You don't  
start your coaching career at one of the big-names in Div IA college  
football. Start as a grad assistant, or as a position coach at some  
level and then work up.

That's why the negativity.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 7, 2007, at 6:21 PM, David Strong wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>> On 12/7/07, Scott R Lawson <SLawson@uamail.albany.edu> wrote:
>>> I think this is a matter of phrasing to be honest- I would say  
>>> that being a great player doesn't GUARANTEE one will be a great  
>>> coach- perhaps that is what this poster was trying to say? I would  
>>> agree with that for sure, but it's also true that many great  
>>> players have gone on to become great coaches (in most all sports).
>>>
>>> Scott in NY
>>>
>>
>> Scott, yes this is exactly what I meant to say, but you obviously  
>> said
>> it more clearly. :)
>>
>> There is little correlation between great playing and great coaching.
>> You can find plenty of examples of one without the other in all
>> sports.
>>
>> Being a great player does not automatically disqualify Mike Minter
>> from being an effective coach at NU (or anywhere else), but neither
>> does it qualify him.
>
> So then the suggestion offered of Mike Minter being the DB coach  
> wasn't necessarily a bad one, was it?  It didn't sound like the  
> person suggesting it was guaranteeing anything, just offered the  
> idea.  So since we've established that a great player can be a great  
> coach, why the negativity?
>
> Dave
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From marklandin at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 20:15:31 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Fri Dec  7 20:04:13 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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On Dec 7, 2007 6:21 PM, David Strong <gbrlist@hotmail.com> wrote:

> So then the suggestion offered of Mike Minter being the DB coach wasn't
> necessarily a bad one, was it?  It didn't sound like the person suggesting
> it was guaranteeing anything, just offered the idea.  So since we've
> established that a great player can be a great coach, why the negativity?

Because all that was offered was that he was a great player, and no
other criteria. It wasn't negativity so much as skepticism.

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From jschlechte at usfamily.net  Fri Dec  7 21:27:08 2007
From: jschlechte at usfamily.net (jschlechte@usfamily.net)
Date: Fri Dec  7 21:16:27 2007
Subject: [Husker] NU Volleyball wins 3-2...
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NU spotted Michigan State a 2-0 lead and put themselves in a big hole.  NU won
the 3rd game by blowing out Michigan State 30-17.  NU won a very close 4th game
30-28, after giving up a 27-24 lead to be tied at 28-28.  NU closed out the 5th
game 15-9 by taking control early and never letting Michigan State get back
into it.

They play Cal tomorrow night

GBR,

- jay



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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  8 08:27:38 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Sat Dec  8 08:16:09 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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Well that would depend on if they wanted to be coaches or not. Not all great or even good players aspire to be coaches when they are done playing. I think the reason most people think good or great players would make good coaches is because they seem to have a knowledge of the game and that is kind of a requirement to being a good coach. 




David Strong <gbrlist@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> On Dec 7, 2007 12:11 AM, Martin, Douglas  wrote:
> > How about Mike Minter as a DB coach??
> 
> What coaching experience does he have?
> 
> I don't understand why people think great players can be great
> coaches. If that were true, there would be no unemployed Heisman
> trophy winners, right?

Why do you think that great players can't be great coaches?  There are so many contradictions to this in real life that listing them would be pointless.  Just one example is Steve Spurrier.  He won the Heisman Trophy and is in the College Hall of Fame as a player.  And he is one hell of a great coach, make no mistake.  Not sure where you are going with this.

Dave

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From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Sat Dec  8 09:13:21 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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 > Come on, guys. The guy has no real coaching experience. You don't  
> start your coaching career at one of the big-names in Div IA college  
> football. Start as a grad assistant, or as a position coach at some  
> level and then work up.
> 
> That's why the negativity.
> 
> Jon Johnston
> http://www.cornnation.com

I'm not sure about this.  Mike Minter is a 10 year veteran as a defensive back in the National Football League.  From a "knowledge and experience on how the play the position" standpoint, he is quite qualified to coach the DBs at the University of Nebraska right now.  The far bigger question is whether he has the personality, temperament, communication skills, etc required to be a successful teacher and coach.  Previous coaching experience is the best way to determine these things for sure.  But to a great extent, these can also be determined in interviews with him and in talking to those who have been close to him, as you would do for any applicant for a position with a company or organization.  Former coaches, teammates, and other personal references.  If you are a good hirer (made up word), you can make a good read on the potential hiree (made up another word) for a particular position the applicant may never have held before.  People do it every day in all walks of life, including coaching.

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From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Sat Dec  8 09:31:01 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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> Because all that was offered was that he was a great player, and no
> other criteria. It wasn't negativity so much as skepticism.

Actually, the entire post was:
" How about Mike Minter as a DB coach??"

And your reply:

"What coaching experience does he have? I don't understand why people think great players can be great coaches. If that were true, there would be no unemployed Heisman trophy winners, right?"

Which we've already established is not a great post.  (Don't worry, I've made a few of those myself).  I tried to think of a good analogy and one that pops out is Eric Bienemy (hated and despised though he is <joke>).  He had a career as a running back in the NFL for about 9 years, similar to Minter's...not stellar but a good solid career (especially for a running back).  His first job in coaching was as the running backs coach at Colorado.  He did a great job and moved on to be the running backs coach at USC.  He did a great job and moved on to be the running backs coach at the Minnesota Vikings.   We, of course, would hope that in the hypothetical instance of Mike Minter being hired as the defensive backs coach at Nebraska, we would do a great job and stay forever.

So rather than skepticism, it may be better to look on the suggestion with interest.

Dave



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From: "David Strong" <gbrlist@hotmail.com>
Sent: 12/8/2007 09:27:22
Subject: RE: [Husker] DB coach
 
 
>>I'm not sure about this.  Mike Minter is a 10 year veteran as a defensive
>> back in the National Football League.  From a "knowledge and experience on
>> how the play the position" standpoint, he is quite qualified to coach the
>> DBs at the University of Nebraska right now.  The far bigger question is
>> whether he has the personality, temperament, communication skills, etc
>> required to be a successful teacher and coach.  Previous coaching
>> experience is the best way to determine these things for sure.  But to a
>> great extent, these can also be determined in interviews with him and in
>> talking to those who have been close to him, as you would do for any
>> applicant for a position with a company or organization.  Former coaches,
>> teammates, and other personal references.  If you are a good hirer (made up
>> word), you can make a good read on the potential hiree (made up another
>> word) for a particular position the applicant may never have held before. 
>> People do it every day in all walks of life, including coaching.
 
 
 
 
 
     Has there ever been anything said about Minter wanting to coach?  I
     haven't seen anything but that doesn't mean there hasn't been. 
     Everything you said are things to consider when hiring a coach.  Most of
     the time a great player doesn't become a great coach.  We could all name
     situation after situation where this is/was true.  One that always pops
     into my mind is Ted Williams, one of the greatest hitters, arguably the
     greatest, in baseball history.  As great a hitter and ballplayer this guy
     was he wasn't a very good manager and/or hitting coach.  He had the
     knowledge and the how to but he couldn't communicate it nor did he have
     the patience.  Another example is Tommie Frazier, arguably the greatest
     QB in NU history.  He failed miserably as a coach.  The main rap on
     Frazier was his lack of communication skills and he was impatient as he
     felt like everything should be done to the level in which he did it among
     some other things if I understand correctly.  That is usually the concern
     with a coach/manager which was a star is their communication,
     expectations of their players, and the ability to empathize with and
     understand a player who is less than a star.  There are always exceptions
     to every rule but largely great players don't make great
     coaches/managers.  The thing I have also noticed is most stars have no
     desire to get into the coaching game anyway.
 
 
Bob Beach
 
 

From gscratch1 at comcast.net  Sat Dec  8 11:13:03 2007
From: gscratch1 at comcast.net (gscratch1@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Dec  8 11:01:40 2007
Subject: [Husker] no 100% correlation
Message-ID: <120820071713.18525.475AD09F0003C4100000485D2200734364080C9B0E9D0C9C09@comcast.net>

>I don't understand why people think great players can be great
>coaches.

just as all great salesmen do not make great sales managers.

nor do all great players make great sports announcers.

Glen in NJ
From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Sat Dec  8 11:20:31 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Sat Dec  8 11:09:16 2007
Subject: [Husker] no 100% correlation
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This is not a great start to an off-season, is it?

One thing I've noticed about this list.... people really have a very  
hard time letting go and letting someone else have the last word on  
anything. I wonder if we all took personality tests what the results  
would be.

Given that, Frank's recruits really weren't very good at the end. :)

Gulty as charged!

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 8, 2007, at 11:13 AM, gscratch1@comcast.net wrote:

>> I don't understand why people think great players can be great
>> coaches.
>
> just as all great salesmen do not make great sales managers.
>
> nor do all great players make great sports announcers.
>
> Glen in NJ
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From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Sat Dec  8 11:39:34 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Sat Dec  8 11:28:04 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
Message-ID: <109027.9782.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

At risk of not having any backup data, I am guessing that coaching stardom is largely independent of playing stardom.

Let's guestimate for a minute that one of 60 or so Heisman winners went on to win an NCAA or NFL national championship (can you say Steve Spurrier???).  Now if you group other players into the "all other category" you probably get something out seomthing less than 1% who go on to become NCAA or NFL champs as coach.  Dr. Tom was an NAIA AA (IIRC) at Hastings College and went on to win at the next level, so you could say he was successful at all levels (NE Player of the Year in both High School and College and now BCOE (Best Coach on Earth).  Bo was all-conference for OSU, was he an AA?  Bob Devaney played at Alma (MI) College.  Frank Solich did some good things as the World's Smallest Fullback.  Bill C played QB at a smaller Illinois college.

Flip it the other way, how many NCAA FB coaches DIDN'T play college FB?  Mangino comes to mind, but he wsa offered a scholarship and didn't take advantage of it.  Probably others over time, but I'm guessing the percentage of non-players who have won MNC is very small or even non-existant.

Define "success" at the player level but broader than Heisman, and I'll bet that the percentage of successful coaches that come out of that group is higher than the remaining "unsuccessful" players.  While the numbers are small, I'll bet money that "the traits of successful people" shifts the percentages in favor of successful players but it is VERY FAR from a predictor.  We are looking at a small percentage who succeed at the upper levels in any case.  And Bob, if only 1-4% of a group is successful, it is easy to pick examples of failure.

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.  Anybody know where we can find supportive data?

Duane Feldman


----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2007 11:06:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Husker] DB coach


    Most of     the time a great player doesn't become a great coach.  We could all name
    situation after situation where this is/was true.  One that always pops
    into my mind is Ted Williams, one of the greatest hitters, arguably the
    greatest, in baseball history.  As great a hitter and ballplayer this guy
    was he wasn't a very good manager and/or hitting coach.  He had the
    knowledge and the how to but he couldn't communicate it nor did he have
    the patience.  Another example is Tommie Frazier, arguably the greatest
    QB in NU history.  He failed miserably as a coach.  The main rap on
    Frazier was his lack of communication skills and he was impatient as he
    felt like everything should be done to the level in which he did it among
    some other things if I understand correctly.  That is usually the concern
    with a coach/manager which was a star is their communication,
    expectations of their players, and the ability to empathize with and
    understand a player who is less than a star.  There are always exceptions
    to every rule but largely great players don't make great
    coaches/managers.  The thing I have also noticed is most stars have no
    desire to get into the coaching game anyway.


Bob Beach



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From george.rapp at gmail.com  Sat Dec  8 12:05:52 2007
From: george.rapp at gmail.com (George Rapp)
Date: Sat Dec  8 11:54:30 2007
Subject: [Husker] no 100% correlation
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On Dec 8, 2007 12:20 PM, jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is not a great start to an off-season, is it?
>
> One thing I've noticed about this list.... people really have a very
> hard time letting go and letting someone else have the last word on
> anything.


That is not true, Jon!  Why would you even post something like that???

(Note to the sarcasm-impaired ... oh, never mind ... 8^)

George
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    finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.  - Marcus Aurelius
From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Sat Dec  8 12:13:00 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Sat Dec  8 12:01:30 2007
Subject: [Husker] no 100% correlation
Message-ID: <570558.68235.qm@web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jon, some of us would fail that personality test, I'm sure.

And in the end, Frank's recruits went 10-3 while in the end, BC's recruits went 5-7.

In the end, more of Frank's recruits signed NFL contracts than BC's recruits and I'll bet that continues to hold even over the next four years.

I won't have the final word on this topic unless you finally give up [g].

Duane

----- Original Message ----
From: jon johnston jon.johnston@gmail.com

One thing I've noticed about this list.... people really have a very  
hard time letting go and letting someone else have the last word on  
anything. I wonder if we all took personality tests what the results  
would be.

Given that, Frank's recruits really weren't very good at the end. :)

Gulty as charged!
From dkarre at comcast.net  Sat Dec  8 13:29:19 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sat Dec  8 13:18:06 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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Duane Feldman wrote:
> At risk of not having any backup data, I am guessing that coaching stardom is largely independent of playing stardom.

If you're discussing head coaches, I think there is, if anything, an 
inverse relationship. If you want great players who became great head 
coaches, the list is pretty short - Bear Bryant and Steve Spurrier come 
immediately to mind - though it obviously depends on your definition of 
"great". The list of good players who became good (e.g., Frank Solich) 
or great (Tom Osborne) head coaches is obviously longer.

But the discussion here is assistant coaches (that, at least is how it 
started), and there I suspect you will find more great players who 
became very successful assistants.

Anyway, since no one in the athletic department or the media has 
suggested that Mike Minter is under consideration to be DB coach, is 
there any point to this thread?

-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Sat Dec  8 14:12:04 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Sat Dec  8 14:00:55 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
Message-ID: <p06210203c380aa690038@[10.30.5.83]>

Dick wrote:

>If you're discussing head coaches, I think there is, if anything, an 
>inverse relationship. If you want great players who became great 
>head coaches, the list is pretty short - Bear Bryant and Steve 
>Spurrier come immediately to mind - though it obviously depends on 
>your definition of "great". The list of good players who became good 
>(e.g., Frank Solich) or great (Tom Osborne) head coaches is 
>obviously longer.
>But the discussion here is assistant coaches (that, at least is how 
>it started), and there I suspect you will find more great players 
>who became very successful assistants.
>Anyway, since no one in the athletic department or the media has 
>suggested that Mike Minter is under consideration to be DB coach, is 
>there any point to this thread?


On the pre-WWII Fordham Seven Blocks of Granite, Vince Lombardi 
played backup tackle/guard to Mike Kochel who later played for the 
Chicago Cardinals and then flew 25 bombing missions over Germany 
before teaching at Bellevue College in the Sixties and Seventies.

One day Mike walked into the president's office, tossed his keys on 
the desk, and said, "I'm goin' to Vinnie's funeral."

The president nodded.

Steve Stone

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec  8 16:30:58 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec  8 16:20:28 2007
Subject: [Husker] DB coach
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--- Source message ---
From: "Duane Feldman" <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>
Sent: 12/8/2007 11:39:35
Subject: Re: [Husker] DB coach
 
  >>And Bob, if only 1-4% of a group is successful, it is easy to pick
  >> examples of failure.
 
 
 
 
     Couldn't agree more.  That is kind of one of the points I was attempting
     to make.
 
 
Bob Beach
 
 

From ltillner at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  8 18:30:09 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Sat Dec  8 18:18:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] Fwd: Great Video
Message-ID: <913863.84396.qm@web52403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


> Check out this link:
> 
> http://www.studio425.com/video.php?vid_id=24
> Dr. Tom hired Bo to bring this back.
> 


Lynette Tillner
ltillner@yahoo.com


      ____________________________________________________________________________________
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From jfpgroup at msn.com  Sat Dec  8 21:04:16 2007
From: jfpgroup at msn.com (Steven Johnson)
Date: Sat Dec  8 20:53:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] Fwd: Great Video
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If you watch carefully there is a shot of the Husker's celebrating  and 
Steve Pederson smiling in front of Tom as they walk off the field.

Steven J
Class of 83
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Subject: [Husker] Fwd: Great Video


>
>> Check out this link:
>>
>> http://www.studio425.com/video.php?vid_id=24
>> Dr. Tom hired Bo to bring this back.
>>
>
>
> Lynette Tillner
> ltillner@yahoo.com
>
>
> 
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From huskers_001 at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  8 21:48:43 2007
From: huskers_001 at hotmail.com (Jeffery Brown)
Date: Sat Dec  8 21:37:54 2007
Subject: [Husker] Volleyball - Done
Message-ID: <BAY134-W31FEE19CF9D91B45834C6DC06A0@phx.gbl>

Cornhusker Fans,
 
The v-ball team went down 3-0 to Cal tonight.  Cal outplayed our lady Huskers.  I hate to see them go down like this.  They were fun to watch.  Good season; just not "great" with that incredible talent.  Go Big Red!!
 
Jeff Brown
a.k.a. Huskers001
From steve.borer at connectseward.org  Sat Dec  8 22:01:39 2007
From: steve.borer at connectseward.org (Steve Borer)
Date: Sat Dec  8 21:50:10 2007
Subject: [Husker] Vb
Message-ID: <C380C4C3.4D5%steve.borer@connectseward.org>

Husker VB team loses to Cal 3-0!!  They never quite got on track -- but take
nothing away from a very good Cal team!


-- 
Steve J. Borer
9-12 Asst. Prin/AD
Seward High School
532 Northern Heights
Seward, NE  68434


From theo at heise.nu  Sat Dec  8 22:06:07 2007
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Sat Dec  8 21:55:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] Volleyball - Done
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On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Jeffery Brown wrote:

> The v-ball team went down 3-0 to Cal tonight.  Cal outplayed our 
> lady Huskers.  I hate to see them go down like this.  They were 
> fun to watch.  Good season; just not "great" with that incredible 
> talent.  Go Big Red!!

We didn't get to see very many games here in Indiana, but very much 
enjoyed those we did.

A huge *THANKS* to the team, and especially the seniors!

Maggie Griffin
Christina Houghtelling
Sarah Pavan
Tracy Stalls

Best wishes to them on their future endeavors!

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From arossman at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  8 22:57:57 2007
From: arossman at earthlink.net (Andrew Smith)
Date: Sat Dec  8 22:46:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] Volleyball - Done
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It's too bad.  They were so dominant most of the year and seemed to go 
into a slight slump at the worst possible time.

Theodore Heise wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Jeffery Brown wrote:
>
>> The v-ball team went down 3-0 to Cal tonight.  Cal outplayed our lady 
>> Huskers.  I hate to see them go down like this.  They were fun to 
>> watch.  Good season; just not "great" with that incredible talent.  
>> Go Big Red!!
>
> We didn't get to see very many games here in Indiana, but very much 
> enjoyed those we did.
>
> A huge *THANKS* to the team, and especially the seniors!
>
> Maggie Griffin
> Christina Houghtelling
> Sarah Pavan
> Tracy Stalls
>
> Best wishes to them on their future endeavors!
>

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  9 10:47:52 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  9 10:37:21 2007
Subject: [Husker] Heisman Ramblings
Message-ID: <peaahcnacrmnucknjort.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
 
     There are many things in life I thought I would never see.  Things such
     as a hamburger costing more than $1.00, a gallon of gas being more than
     $1.00, and Lou Gehrig's consecutive game streak being broken are among
     the things I never thought could possibly happen.  Another one of those
     things was I never thought I would see is a sophomore win the Heisman. 
     It doesn't seem all that long ago the first year a player could play
     varsity football was the sophomore year.  The Heisman is pretty much a
     sham anyway.  I have thought so for years.  It is impossible to pick the
     best player in college football especially when it is limited to QBs,
     running backs, receivers, and defensive backs.  
 
 
     I don't know if Tebow was the best player in the country in 2007 or not. 
     He probably deserved it as much as anyone.  I was listening to ESPN this
     previous week and they were talking about his 20 rushing touchdowns. 
     They were saying of those 20 about 16 were runs inside the five yard
     line.  I have been trying to find that stat but can't.  I can find how
     many rushing TDs he scored but cannot find how many yards each TD run
     covered.  Probably if I had a vote it would have gone to either Colt
     Brennan or Chase Daniel.  
 
 
Bob Beach 

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  9 10:56:30 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  9 10:45:56 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
Message-ID: <msqqancbvhfdrfajqrif.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
 
     I don't think in all the years I have followed college football, which is
     about 50 now, I have ever seen or heard of an AD doing recruiting.  As a
     matter of fact I didn't know they were allowed to recruit.  Obviously
     that is not the case because TO is openly recruiting.  I understand the
     part about naming himself Interim Head Coach so he could recruit but he
     has hired a HC now no he is no longer Interim HC.  To me it is unusual. 
     Don't take that to mean I am saying there is anything wrong with it.  I
     just don't think I have ever seen or heard of it before.
 
 
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/395856.html
 
 
Bob Beach

From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sun Dec  9 11:22:32 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sun Dec  9 11:08:56 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
References: <msqqancbvhfdrfajqrif.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
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My understanding of this and I'm probably wrong.  Is that he has to be a 
coach of some sort in order to recruit.


Tony Lambert

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Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:56 AM
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Subject: [Husker] Recruiting

>
>
>     I don't think in all the years I have followed college football, which 
> is
>     about 50 now, I have ever seen or heard of an AD doing recruiting.  As 
> a
>     matter of fact I didn't know they were allowed to recruit.  Obviously
>     that is not the case because TO is openly recruiting.  I understand 
> the
>     part about naming himself Interim Head Coach so he could recruit but 
> he
>     has hired a HC now no he is no longer Interim HC.  To me it is 
> unusual.
>     Don't take that to mean I am saying there is anything wrong with it. 
> I
>     just don't think I have ever seen or heard of it before.
>
>
> http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/395856.html
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
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From rchriste at threeriver.net  Sun Dec  9 11:34:00 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Sun Dec  9 11:22:59 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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I don't recall any time when an AD recruited to this extent either.  I 
also don't recall an AD that has the knowledge and the ability to 
recruit that Coach Osborne has.  Of course this is a bit biase by my 
respect of Coach Osborne.

Bob

Baseballguy wrote:
>  
>  
>      I don't think in all the years I have followed college football, which is
>      about 50 now, I have ever seen or heard of an AD doing recruiting.  As a
>      matter of fact I didn't know they were allowed to recruit.  Obviously
>      that is not the case because TO is openly recruiting.  I understand the
>      part about naming himself Interim Head Coach so he could recruit but he
>      has hired a HC now no he is no longer Interim HC.  To me it is unusual. 
>      Don't take that to mean I am saying there is anything wrong with it.  I
>      just don't think I have ever seen or heard of it before.
>  
>  
> http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/395856.html
>  
>  
> Bob Beach
>
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From klycollins at att.net  Sun Dec  9 11:38:08 2007
From: klycollins at att.net (kelly collins)
Date: Sun Dec  9 11:26:34 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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Is Osborne still technically the "interim HC" until Pelini's contract  
is finalized?  Last I read, they were still finalizing the details,  
so it's possible that even though Pelini has been announced as the  
new HC he's not REALLY the HC until the paperwork is signed.

On Dec 9, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Robert Christensen wrote:

> I don't recall any time when an AD recruited to this extent  
> either.  I also don't recall an AD that has the knowledge and the  
> ability to recruit that Coach Osborne has.  Of course this is a bit  
> biase by my respect of Coach Osborne.
>
> Bob
>
> Baseballguy wrote:
>>        I don't think in all the years I have followed college  
>> football, which is
>>      about 50 now, I have ever seen or heard of an AD doing  
>> recruiting.  As a
>>      matter of fact I didn't know they were allowed to recruit.   
>> Obviously
>>      that is not the case because TO is openly recruiting.  I  
>> understand the
>>      part about naming himself Interim Head Coach so he could  
>> recruit but he
>>      has hired a HC now no he is no longer Interim HC.  To me it  
>> is unusual.      Don't take that to mean I am saying there is  
>> anything wrong with it.  I
>>      just don't think I have ever seen or heard of it before.
>>   http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/395856.html
>>   Bob Beach
>>
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From Kaufsss at aol.com  Sun Dec  9 11:42:18 2007
From: Kaufsss at aol.com (Kaufsss@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  9 11:31:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
Message-ID: <d39.193a7344.348d82fa@aol.com>

There were lots of Coaches that became AD and could probably recruited -  
Frank Broyels and Daryl Royal Alvarez etc...  It must be against the rules  and 
there must be a reason Osborne can and is still doing it.  Is Pelini  
officially head coach?  Is the paperwork filed and signed? I think I have  heard Pelini 
is recruiting - but not sure.
 
Steve  Kauf
A Husker fan deep in South Texas
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From huskertt at charter.net  Sun Dec  9 11:45:33 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Sun Dec  9 11:38:45 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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Bob Devaney probably had a pretty good idea of how to recruit when he became 
the AD at Nebraska.

I brought up this same point when he contacted the Nebraska player and 
offered him a scholarship.  He did that after Pelini was officially 
announced as the HC and had already had his first press conference.

I agree that if it is legal, I don't have a problem with it.  Tom Osborne 
has obviously demonstrated that he can recruit very well.

Hmmm...will he also recruit for the volleyball team, baseball team, etc? 
Or, are those programs now being ignored by the athletic department?

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
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Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting


>I don't recall any time when an AD recruited to this extent either.  I also 
>don't recall an AD that has the knowledge and the ability to recruit that 
>Coach Osborne has.  Of course this is a bit biase by my respect of Coach 
>Osborne.
>
> Bob
>
> Baseballguy wrote:
>>  I don't think in all the years I have followed college football, which 
>> is
>>      about 50 now, I have ever seen or heard of an AD doing recruiting. 
>> As a
>>      matter of fact I didn't know they were allowed to recruit. 
>> Obviously
>>      that is not the case because TO is openly recruiting.  I understand 
>> the
>>      part about naming himself Interim Head Coach so he could recruit but 
>> he
>>      has hired a HC now no he is no longer Interim HC.  To me it is 
>> unusual. Don't take that to mean I am saying there is anything wrong with 
>> it.  I
>>      just don't think I have ever seen or heard of it before.
>>  http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/395856.html
>>  Bob Beach
>>
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From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Sun Dec  9 12:00:30 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Sun Dec  9 11:49:19 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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Bob wrote:

>      I don't think in all the years I have followed college football, which is
>      about 50 now, I have ever seen or heard of an AD doing recruiting.  As a
>      matter of fact I didn't know they were allowed to recruit.  Obviously
>      that is not the case because TO is openly recruiting.  I understand the
>      part about naming himself Interim Head Coach so he could recruit but he
>      has hired a HC now no he is no longer Interim HC.  To me it is unusual.
>      Don't take that to mean I am saying there is anything wrong with it.  I
>      just don't think I have ever seen or heard of it before.


And you still haven't heard of it, Bob, because TO appointed himself 
interim head coach, passed the NCAA recruiters test, and after hiring 
Bo he appointed himself an assistant coach under which guise he is 
still visiting recruits.

So he wears his assistant coach's hat when recruiting.

Steve Stone

From fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  9 12:02:57 2007
From: fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com (Bob Fancher)
Date: Sun Dec  9 11:51:24 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <msqqancbvhfdrfajqrif.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
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--- Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com> wrote:

>  
>  
>      I don't think in all the years I have followed
> college football, which is
>      about 50 now, I have ever seen or heard of an
> AD doing recruiting. 

Hi Bob,
  I am sure it is just a temporary thing. I think they
are doing "catch up" duty now, since we lost a month
when the fate of the previous staff was decided. I
really think Tom will gracefully backout and let the
coaches do their jobs after helping them another month
or so. Once they hire ALL the coaches, he probably HAS
to quit recruiting. 
Imho
Bob


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From dkarre at comcast.net  Sun Dec  9 12:09:42 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sun Dec  9 11:58:21 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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Bob Fancher wrote:
  Once they hire ALL the coaches, he probably HAS to quit recruiting.

Right. Once they hire the full complement of assistants, there will be 
no room for TO, and he will have to stop recruiting.

-- 
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From huskertt at charter.net  Sun Dec  9 12:53:28 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Sun Dec  9 12:46:44 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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Steve,

Thanks for the clarification on this.  I hadn't heard that he was now listed 
as an assistant coach.  Makes sense.

Tommy Thompson
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Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting


> Bob wrote:
>
>>      I don't think in all the years I have followed college football, 
>> which is
>>      about 50 now, I have ever seen or heard of an AD doing recruiting. 
>> As a
>>      matter of fact I didn't know they were allowed to recruit. 
>> Obviously
>>      that is not the case because TO is openly recruiting.  I understand 
>> the
>>      part about naming himself Interim Head Coach so he could recruit but 
>> he
>>      has hired a HC now no he is no longer Interim HC.  To me it is 
>> unusual.
>>      Don't take that to mean I am saying there is anything wrong with it. 
>> I
>>      just don't think I have ever seen or heard of it before.
>
>
> And you still haven't heard of it, Bob, because TO appointed himself 
> interim head coach, passed the NCAA recruiters test, and after hiring Bo 
> he appointed himself an assistant coach under which guise he is still 
> visiting recruits.
>
> So he wears his assistant coach's hat when recruiting.
>
> Steve Stone
>
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Dec  9 13:00:06 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Dec  9 13:00:10 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
Message-ID: <200712091900.lB9J068G012096@romaine.tssi.com>

> Right. Once they hire the full complement of assistants, there will be 
> no room for TO, and he will have to stop recruiting.

But in the mean time, Bo's smart enough to know that a call from Tom
Osborne to some recruit who's on the fence might just help land him.

I'd have to check NCAA regulations, but I think the non-coaching staff 
does have SOME ability to contact recruits by phone or letter (and they
can certainly answer the phone if the recruit calls them), but I'm pretty 
sure they can't visit them in their homes.  However, the holiday season 
'non-contact' period starts in about a week, anyway.
--
Mike Nolan

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  9 13:53:05 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  9 13:42:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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--- Source message ---
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Sent: 12/9/2007 11:43:24
Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
 
I don't recall any time when an AD recruited to this extent either.  I 
also don't recall an AD that has the knowledge and the ability to 
recruit that Coach Osborne has.  Of course this is a bit biase by my 
respect of Coach Osborne.
 
Bob
 
 
 
 
     I wouldn't argue with Osborne's ability but there have been a lot of
     former Head Coaches that became ADs.  The closest to home being Bob
     Devaney and I don't remember Devaney recruting after he became AD.  It is
     just that one would think it would be a pretty common thing if it was
     allowed.  I would think there is something still technically
     contractually okay that allows TO to do it.
 
 
Bob Beach

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  9 14:01:54 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  9 13:51:23 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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--- Source message ---
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Sent: 12/9/2007 12:04:14
Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
 
 
 
And you still haven't heard of it, Bob, because TO appointed himself 
interim head coach, passed the NCAA recruiters test, and after hiring 
Bo he appointed himself an assistant coach under which guise he is 
still visiting recruits.
 
So he wears his assistant coach's hat when recruiting.
 
Steve Stone
 
 
 
 
     I just wonder why no one else has ever, to my recollection, thought of
     that?  There have been many intelligent and effective ADs over the years.
     It is amazing no one to my knowledge has found this way to bend the rules
     and still be within the rules so they could do some recruiting.  Maybe
     someone has done it but to me it is not nearly as commonplace as one
     would think it would be.
 
 
Bob Beach

From theo at heise.nu  Sun Dec  9 16:38:11 2007
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Sun Dec  9 16:27:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] volleyball - seniors
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712091734070.3692@linus.heise.nu>



Good article on the Nebraska volleball team:

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=11&SPID=23&DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=1350483

Great quote from Coach Cook on the senior class:

   The first thing that comes to mind is that they've set the bar so
   darn high. The last three years ago, we've lost five matches,
   played for two national championships, won a national
   championship on probably the greatest stage the history of
   volleyball may ever see. When you look at this group academically,
   they're all 4.0s, three academic All-Americans, they
   won the Life Skills Award as a team. Maybe I might get a job as a
   sportswriter because I'm not sure we'll ever top this group of
   seniors. Once the disappointment of tonight goes away, they're
   going  to have some incredible accomplishments and memories and
   have set a great legacy at Nebraska, especially Nebraska
   volleyball.

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From marklandin at gmail.com  Sun Dec  9 17:04:56 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Sun Dec  9 16:53:28 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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On Dec 9, 2007 11:45 AM, Tommy Thompson <huskertt@charter.net> wrote:

>
> Hmmm...will he also recruit for the volleyball team, baseball team, etc?
> Or, are those programs now being ignored by the athletic department?

Are those the two choices? If he isn't recruiting for them, he is
ignoring them? Would you feel better if he fired a VB assistant so he
could name himself into that spot and recruit for that sport to
reassure you that he's not ignoring something?


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From huskertt at charter.net  Sun Dec  9 18:06:50 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Sun Dec  9 18:00:01 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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Tommy Thompson wrote:
>> Hmmm...will he also recruit for the volleyball team, baseball team, etc?
>> Or, are those programs now being ignored by the athletic department?

Mark Landin wrote:
> Are those the two choices? If he isn't recruiting for them, he is
> ignoring them? Would you feel better if he fired a VB assistant so he
> could name himself into that spot and recruit for that sport to
> reassure you that he's not ignoring something?

Not that it really matters, but I was trying to emphasize a point I've been 
making all along.  Tom Osborne has not been acting as the Athletic Director 
for the University of Nebraska.  He's been concentrating solely on the 
Football program.  From all accounts, Steve Pederson was not fired because 
of a single sport, but because of his handling of the entire department.

Look, I really do like Tom Osborne, and I'm glad he's back to restore the 
order of the football program.  It just seems to me that he is acting more 
like the Assistant AD for Football than the AD.  Is it possible for him to 
give the other programs the attention they deserve while he is out 
recruiting?

For what it's worth, would any of us have felt warm and fuzzy if Bill Byrne 
had been recruiting when TO retired or if Steve Pederson had been recruiting 
when FS was fired?  I think we all would have thought it was out of their 
jurisdiction.  I don't even think we'd have felt good if Bob Devaney (the AD 
from 1967 to 1993)  would have been out recruiting in 1973 when TO took 
over.

Another FWIW...although I am a fan of the other sports, I, like most 
Nebraska fans, am mostly concerned with the football team.  When the other 
teams lose, I say "rats...maybe next time".  When the football team loses, I 
say things that aren't allowed on the List...ergo, I don't mind the position 
TO is taking.

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"


From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec  9 21:25:23 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec  9 21:14:49 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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--- Source message ---
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Sent: 12/9/2007 18:14:14
Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
 
 
Look, I really do like Tom Osborne, and I'm glad he's back to restore the 
order of the football program.  It just seems to me that he is acting more 
like the Assistant AD for Football than the AD.  Is it possible for him to 
give the other programs the attention they deserve while he is out 
recruiting?
 
 
 
 
 
     That has been my concern Tommy.  Now that TO has set the precedent I hope
     he names himself Assistant Basketball coach so he can go out and recruit,
     Assistant Baseball Coach, Assistant wrestling Coach, and etc. for the
     same reasons.  Come on TO you are responsible for all sports and not just
     football.  For me I am far more interested in the baseball program than
     anything else.  I wonder if TO feels that way or at least puts all sports
     on the same level?
 
 
Bob Beach

From sklarbodds at cox.net  Sun Dec  9 21:55:32 2007
From: sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Sun Dec  9 21:44:57 2007
Subject: [personal] Re: [Husker] Recruiting
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This line of thought is only relevant if that sport is going through a
coaching change and recruiting is suffering because of it IMO.  Plus, why
would we want an old football coach recruiting for the baseball program
again?  

Football is #1 in this state, I shouldn't have to tell you that.  You all
know how much I love baseball and how I follow every pitch of every game
like I was getting a prognosis back from the doctor, but at somepoint
reality, interest, money, etc. has to factor in.

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> 
> --- Source message ---
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> Sent: 12/9/2007 18:14:14
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
> 
> 
> Look, I really do like Tom Osborne, and I'm glad he's back to restore the
> order of the football program.  It just seems to me that he is acting more
> like the Assistant AD for Football than the AD.  Is it possible for him to
> give the other programs the attention they deserve while he is out
> recruiting?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>      That has been my concern Tommy.  Now that TO has set the precedent I
hope
>      he names himself Assistant Basketball coach so he can go out and
recruit,
>      Assistant Baseball Coach, Assistant wrestling Coach, and etc. for the
>      same reasons.  Come on TO you are responsible for all sports and not
just
>      football.  For me I am far more interested in the baseball program
than
>      anything else.  I wonder if TO feels that way or at least puts all
sports
>      on the same level?
> 
> 
> Bob Beach
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From Kaufsss at aol.com  Sun Dec  9 22:03:02 2007
From: Kaufsss at aol.com (Kaufsss@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  9 21:52:27 2007
Subject: [personal] Re: [Husker] Recruiting
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Exactly  - do we want Dr Tom recruiting for Women's Soccer???  I  figure not 
- he lets the people who are good at that do that.  He seems to  think his 
strengths probably lie in the football arena - I probably would  agree.  
 
Steve  Kauf
A Husker fan deep in South Texas
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From answerman1 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  9 22:45:34 2007
From: answerman1 at hotmail.com (JEN_SENS)
Date: Sun Dec  9 22:34:44 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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Bob, I think you are enough of a realist to realize TO isn't going to care 
as much about the baseball program until the baseball program supports not 
only itself, but the football program, the wrestling program, gymnastics, 
all women's sports except volleyball.

On that note, it will be interesting to see if he does anything with the 
baseball program. I know a lot of players believe it will not comeback until 
a new coach arrives. Does Tom have the will to go through another coaching 
search?

That being said, I am really tired of Bill Byrne, after running a lot of 
things into the ground, is now raping Nebraska for his coaches, 
administrators and other positions within the AD department. Sounds like 
another departure soon.

Gerald.


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From: "Baseballguy" <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
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Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting


>
>
> --- Source message ---
> From: "Tommy Thompson" <huskertt@charter.net>
> Sent: 12/9/2007 18:14:14
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
>
>
> Look, I really do like Tom Osborne, and I'm glad he's back to restore the
> order of the football program.  It just seems to me that he is acting more
> like the Assistant AD for Football than the AD.  Is it possible for him to
> give the other programs the attention they deserve while he is out
> recruiting?
>
>
>
>
>
>     That has been my concern Tommy.  Now that TO has set the precedent I 
> hope
>     he names himself Assistant Basketball coach so he can go out and 
> recruit,
>     Assistant Baseball Coach, Assistant wrestling Coach, and etc. for the
>     same reasons.  Come on TO you are responsible for all sports and not 
> just
>     football.  For me I am far more interested in the baseball program 
> than
>     anything else.  I wonder if TO feels that way or at least puts all 
> sports
>     on the same level?
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
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From marklandin at gmail.com  Sun Dec  9 22:51:09 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Sun Dec  9 22:39:41 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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On Dec 9, 2007 6:06 PM, Tommy Thompson <huskertt@charter.net> wrote:
> Tommy Thompson wrote:
> >> Hmmm...will he also recruit for the volleyball team, baseball team, etc?
> >> Or, are those programs now being ignored by the athletic department?
>
> Mark Landin wrote:
> > Are those the two choices? If he isn't recruiting for them, he is
> > ignoring them? Would you feel better if he fired a VB assistant so he
> > could name himself into that spot and recruit for that sport to
> > reassure you that he's not ignoring something?
>
> Not that it really matters, but I was trying to emphasize a point I've been
> making all along.  Tom Osborne has not been acting as the Athletic Director
> for the University of Nebraska.  He's been concentrating solely on the
> Football program.

That is all he has been REPORTED as doing. Are you certain that he has
not performed any other duties related to any other sports that may
have gone unreported, or are you certain that he has concentrated
"solely" on football? If you are certain, what is the source of your
certainty? If you are basing your belief on what is reported in the
media, it should come as no surprise that the media is reporting on
football because that is what readers and viewers want to hear about,
and AD activities as they relate to other sports will go unreported.
If you concede that there may be non-football related activities that
were not reported, then your complaint really lies with the media, not
the AD.
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From python3955 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  9 22:56:15 2007
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Sun Dec  9 22:44:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV142D5BE2C67FB89E85311ED16B0@phx.gbl>

All this uproar over TO recruiting is completely overblown, IMHO. Here are a 
couple of quotes from the articles with url's following.....

"NCAA rules stipulate that the head coach is allowed only one in-home visit 
to a potential recruit. But a provision allows the coach Osborne hires to 
visit any recruit whom Osborne visited as interim head coach.  In addition, 
Osborne can remain on staff, technically as an assistant, to visit recruits 
after the head coach is named":
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10196514

"Normally, under NCAA rules, only coaches can go on the road recruiting. But 
according to Tim Cassidy, when there are sudden coaching changes, there is a 
provision that anybody within the program can be activated as a recruiter, 
provided that person passes a test":
http://journalstar.com/articles/2007/11/29/huskerextra/football/doc474e3365820d3679211999.txt



Now there has been no coaching change in  Basketball, Baseball, Wrestling, 
Soccer, or as far as I know Swimming, Archery, Bowling, Mumblety Peg*, Pin 
the tail on the Donkey* or any other sport....(*feeble humor attempt alert) 
So TO will not be recruiting for them....

I am sure TO feels for and puts all sports on the same level, but I don't 
know how comfortable he would be recruiting for any of the other sports 
either. TO knows football. But if another coaching change occurs during TO's 
time as AD, then the debate can officially begin. Until then, the point is 
mute*! (*another feeble humor attempt alert)

Monty



>     That has been my concern Tommy.  Now that TO has set the precedent I 
> hope
>     he names himself Assistant Basketball coach so he can go out and 
> recruit,
>     Assistant Baseball Coach, Assistant wrestling Coach, and etc. for the
>     same reasons.  Come on TO you are responsible for all sports and not 
> just
>     football.  For me I am far more interested in the baseball program 
> than
>     anything else.  I wonder if TO feels that way or at least puts all 
> sports
>     on the same level?
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
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From huskertt at charter.net  Mon Dec 10 05:36:40 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Mon Dec 10 05:29:49 2007
Subject: [Husker] Good article
Message-ID: <03d401c83b20$efd70ea0$6c01a8c0@Husker>

Here a good article on Tom Osborne.  Comments from Bill McCartney, Dave Rimington, Al Papik, and others.  Basically they all believe he is taking the right approach, unprecedented as it is, and will back off once the program is stable.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10205227

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 10 07:22:12 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Mon Dec 10 07:10:35 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <038e01c83ac0$91bd1900$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <539141.49422.qm@web55209.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Well how do you know he is not taking care of the other programs. Maybe he is doing things there that just aren't news worthy? You know what he is doing for football because it is in the paper everyday. 

No most would not have felt comfortable with BB or SP out recruiting but I dont remember either of them coaching for 20+ years or winning any MNCs. 

TO is paying more attention to the football program because that is the program that: A. is making the most money for the athletic department and B. is in the most need of management right now. My guess is that the AD at KU probably spends more time with the bball program then the others. 

And last Tom is acting like the AD. He is doing a little more then most ADs do but he is still acting like the AD.





Tommy Thompson <huskertt@charter.net> wrote: Tommy Thompson wrote:
>> Hmmm...will he also recruit for the volleyball team, baseball team, etc?
>> Or, are those programs now being ignored by the athletic department?

Mark Landin wrote:
> Are those the two choices? If he isn't recruiting for them, he is
> ignoring them? Would you feel better if he fired a VB assistant so he
> could name himself into that spot and recruit for that sport to
> reassure you that he's not ignoring something?

Not that it really matters, but I was trying to emphasize a point I've been 
making all along.  Tom Osborne has not been acting as the Athletic Director 
for the University of Nebraska.  He's been concentrating solely on the 
Football program.  From all accounts, Steve Pederson was not fired because 
of a single sport, but because of his handling of the entire department.

Look, I really do like Tom Osborne, and I'm glad he's back to restore the 
order of the football program.  It just seems to me that he is acting more 
like the Assistant AD for Football than the AD.  Is it possible for him to 
give the other programs the attention they deserve while he is out 
recruiting?

For what it's worth, would any of us have felt warm and fuzzy if Bill Byrne 
had been recruiting when TO retired or if Steve Pederson had been recruiting 
when FS was fired?  I think we all would have thought it was out of their 
jurisdiction.  I don't even think we'd have felt good if Bob Devaney (the AD 
from 1967 to 1993)  would have been out recruiting in 1973 when TO took 
over.

Another FWIW...although I am a fan of the other sports, I, like most 
Nebraska fans, am mostly concerned with the football team.  When the other 
teams lose, I say "rats...maybe next time".  When the football team loses, I 
say things that aren't allowed on the List...ergo, I don't mind the position 
TO is taking.

Tommy Thompson
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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 10 14:17:03 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Mon Dec 10 14:05:23 2007
Subject: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns
Message-ID: <242798.73723.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not a huge surprise here, but Dave Kennedy has
resigned as strength and conditioning coach.  A lot of
discussion in recent weeks about the problems with the
football program have revolved around strength and
conditioning...or rather, the lack of it with players.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10206270

Personally, I think this is as big of a change as the
departure of Bill Callahan.  In recent years, we've
seen Nebraska being physically dominated, and
hopefully this change will improve things.  It's a
pressing need to find a replacement as winter
conditioning officially begins January 14th, and in
the meantime, players are working out since there
aren't any bowl practices.  Getting a new strength
coach in place quickly is crucial.  (I have to believe
that Nebraska already has a candidate already in mind...)

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From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Mon Dec 10 14:20:20 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Mon Dec 10 14:08:41 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
Message-ID: <18191845.1197318021043.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have a hunch that it wouldn't matter what actions that Osborne took, they wouldn't meet with your approval. If he is "bending the rules" I'm certain the NCAA will be more than happy to point that out to the University. I'm equally certain that you will be very concerned with every action that the "great Bo Pelini" takes as well.

Something tells me that Osborne is probably capable of doing 2 or 3 tasks a day and is probably taking care of the entire department just fine.



-----Original Message-----
>From: Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
>Sent: Dec 9, 2007 10:25 PM
>To: Husker List <husker@tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
>
> 
> 
>--- Source message ---
>From: "Tommy Thompson" <huskertt@charter.net>
>Sent: 12/9/2007 18:14:14
>Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
> 
> 
>Look, I really do like Tom Osborne, and I'm glad he's back to restore the 
>order of the football program.  It just seems to me that he is acting more 
>like the Assistant AD for Football than the AD.  Is it possible for him to 
>give the other programs the attention they deserve while he is out 
>recruiting?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     That has been my concern Tommy.  Now that TO has set the precedent I hope
>     he names himself Assistant Basketball coach so he can go out and recruit,
>     Assistant Baseball Coach, Assistant wrestling Coach, and etc. for the
>     same reasons.  Come on TO you are responsible for all sports and not just
>     football.  For me I am far more interested in the baseball program than
>     anything else.  I wonder if TO feels that way or at least puts all sports
>     on the same level?
> 
> 
>Bob Beach
>
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From gscratch1 at comcast.net  Mon Dec 10 15:17:32 2007
From: gscratch1 at comcast.net (gscratch1@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Dec 10 15:06:01 2007
Subject: [Husker] what TO knows
Message-ID: <121020072117.25218.475DACEA00088E07000062822207003201080C9B0E9D0C9C09@comcast.net>

>I don't 
>know how comfortable he would be recruiting for any of the other sports 
>either. TO knows football. 

I would venture to say that, if asked, or if he was talking to a recruit for any sport, TO could comment on the commitment to academics, and to how he instructs his coaches to act, and the University support that NU provides to all sports.  I would think that his reputation as a developer and supporter of players would be important to a recruit (and parents), regardless of the sport.

just because *we* don't spend a lot of time discussing mumblety peg (for example), doesn't mean that the University and the AD don't.


Glen in NJ
From jroatiesr at cox.net  Mon Dec 10 16:27:03 2007
From: jroatiesr at cox.net (jroatiesr@cox.net)
Date: Mon Dec 10 16:16:22 2007
Subject: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns
In-Reply-To: <242798.73723.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20071210172703.DGBIR.62241.root@eastrmwml06>

Danny Noonan, former Husker, head strength and conditioning coach from UNO would be a good candidate.

Jerry in IOmaha


---- Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Not a huge surprise here, but Dave Kennedy has
> resigned as strength and conditioning coach.  A lot of
> discussion in recent weeks about the problems with the
> football program have revolved around strength and
> conditioning...or rather, the lack of it with players.
> 
> http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10206270
> 
> Personally, I think this is as big of a change as the
> departure of Bill Callahan.  In recent years, we've
> seen Nebraska being physically dominated, and
> hopefully this change will improve things.  It's a
> pressing need to find a replacement as winter
> conditioning officially begins January 14th, and in
> the meantime, players are working out since there
> aren't any bowl practices.  Getting a new strength
> coach in place quickly is crucial.  (I have to believe
> that Nebraska already has a candidate already in mind...)
> 
> Mike Jaixen
> Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
> 
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From gbrlist at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 10 18:43:45 2007
From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Mon Dec 10 18:32:25 2007
Subject: [Husker] Witt jailed by LPD
Message-ID: <BLU117-W25B4C104257786B97F68AFBA640@phx.gbl>

This is pretty dumb...but you do dumb things when you're a fueled-up 18 year old.

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/10/news/local/doc475d7b8f1f76c422034471.txt

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From marklandin at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 19:15:36 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Mon Dec 10 19:04:05 2007
Subject: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns
In-Reply-To: <20071210172703.DGBIR.62241.root@eastrmwml06>
References: <242798.73723.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20071210172703.DGBIR.62241.root@eastrmwml06>
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The name I hear is Brian Bailey, a Lincoln native, currently S&C coach at USC.

On 12/10/07, jroatiesr@cox.net <jroatiesr@cox.net> wrote:
> Danny Noonan, former Husker, head strength and conditioning coach from UNO would be a good candidate.
>
> Jerry in IOmaha
>
>
> ---- Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Not a huge surprise here, but Dave Kennedy has
> > resigned as strength and conditioning coach.  A lot of
> > discussion in recent weeks about the problems with the
> > football program have revolved around strength and
> > conditioning...or rather, the lack of it with players.
> >
> > http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10206270
> >
> > Personally, I think this is as big of a change as the
> > departure of Bill Callahan.  In recent years, we've
> > seen Nebraska being physically dominated, and
> > hopefully this change will improve things.  It's a
> > pressing need to find a replacement as winter
> > conditioning officially begins January 14th, and in
> > the meantime, players are working out since there
> > aren't any bowl practices.  Getting a new strength
> > coach in place quickly is crucial.  (I have to believe
> > that Nebraska already has a candidate already in mind...)
> >
> > Mike Jaixen
> > Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
> >
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From answerman1 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 10 20:14:49 2007
From: answerman1 at hotmail.com (JEN_SENS)
Date: Mon Dec 10 20:04:08 2007
Subject: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns
References: <242798.73723.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU122-DAV9C54D5AB03F5BBCC2640B80640@phx.gbl>

I imagine the question is, did it take Kennedy four years to forget the 
things that made him one of the top strength coaches in the country? Or was 
he delivering a product based on the specifications of his employer?

I believe regardless who the S/C guy was or is, we would see changes under 
Pelini.

Gerald


> Personally, I think this is as big of a change as the
> departure of Bill Callahan.  In recent years, we've
> seen Nebraska being physically dominated, and
> hopefully this change will improve things. 

From strongtodd at msn.com  Mon Dec 10 20:37:18 2007
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Mon Dec 10 20:25:52 2007
Subject: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns
References: <242798.73723.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BLU122-DAV9C54D5AB03F5BBCC2640B80640@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV8D46FAD688AA40CBE6F09CD640@phx.gbl>

I thought that Kennedy would be the single most influential change in the 
program, for the better, when the change occurred.
Bailey used to be at NU before Kennedy, I believe.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JEN_SENS" <answerman1@hotmail.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns


>I imagine the question is, did it take Kennedy four years to forget the 
>things that made him one of the top strength coaches in the country? Or was 
>he delivering a product based on the specifications of his employer?
>
> I believe regardless who the S/C guy was or is, we would see changes under 
> Pelini.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>> Personally, I think this is as big of a change as the
>> departure of Bill Callahan.  In recent years, we've
>> seen Nebraska being physically dominated, and
>> hopefully this change will improve things.
>
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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 10 21:37:13 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Mon Dec 10 21:25:32 2007
Subject: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns
In-Reply-To: <BLU122-DAV9C54D5AB03F5BBCC2640B80640@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <433454.62399.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just curious, how was he "one of the top strength
coaches in the country" (other than his bio from
huskers.com?)  For what it's worth, I've heard some
people say that he's one of the worst strength coaches
in the country.

Prior to arriving in Lincoln, he was at Pitt after
leaving Ohio State.  Ohio State to Pitt is hardly a
promotion.


--- JEN_SENS <answerman1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I imagine the question is, did it take Kennedy four
> years to forget the 
> things that made him one of the top strength coaches
> in the country? Or was 
> he delivering a product based on the specifications
> of his employer?
> 
> I believe regardless who the S/C guy was or is, we
> would see changes under 
> Pelini.
> 
> Gerald
> 
> 
> > Personally, I think this is as big of a change as
> the
> > departure of Bill Callahan.  In recent years,
> we've
> > seen Nebraska being physically dominated, and
> > hopefully this change will improve things. 
> 
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From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Mon Dec 10 22:49:49 2007
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott R Lawson)
Date: Mon Dec 10 22:39:51 2007
Subject: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns
References: <242798.73723.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20071210172703.DGBIR.62241.root@eastrmwml06>
	<16ee270e0712101715j25f6126tb47dc39de86ba9bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D366542E6@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>

Bailey co-authored the book "Complete Conditioning for Football" with Mike Arthur back in the 90's, a book that lays out the Husker training program at the time pretty extensively. I still use this book for the weight training aspects.

Scott in NY


-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Mark Landin
Sent: Mon 2007.12.10 20:15
To: jroatiesr@cox.net
Cc: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns
 
The name I hear is Brian Bailey, a Lincoln native, currently S&C coach at USC.

On 12/10/07, jroatiesr@cox.net <jroatiesr@cox.net> wrote:
> Danny Noonan, former Husker, head strength and conditioning coach from UNO would be a good candidate.
>
> Jerry in IOmaha
>
>
> ---- Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Not a huge surprise here, but Dave Kennedy has
> > resigned as strength and conditioning coach.  A lot of
> > discussion in recent weeks about the problems with the
> > football program have revolved around strength and
> > conditioning...or rather, the lack of it with players.
> >
> > http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10206270
> >
> > Personally, I think this is as big of a change as the
> > departure of Bill Callahan.  In recent years, we've
> > seen Nebraska being physically dominated, and
> > hopefully this change will improve things.  It's a
> > pressing need to find a replacement as winter
> > conditioning officially begins January 14th, and in
> > the meantime, players are working out since there
> > aren't any bowl practices.  Getting a new strength
> > coach in place quickly is crucial.  (I have to believe
> > that Nebraska already has a candidate already in mind...)
> >
> > Mike Jaixen
> > Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
> >
> >
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Mon Dec 10 23:21:50 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Mon Dec 10 23:10:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] Jordan Out
Message-ID: <475E1E6E.3050705@comcast.net>

Randy Jordan will not be part of Bo Pelini's staff. Shawn Simms, a 
former assistant at both CU and ISU, has been interviewed for the RB 
coach position.
http://www.journalstar.com/blog/huskers.php?title=jordan_no_longer_in_fold&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
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From rothba at gmail.com  Tue Dec 11 09:18:21 2007
From: rothba at gmail.com (Brad Roth)
Date: Tue Dec 11 09:06:47 2007
Subject: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns
Message-ID: <bcb197610712110718m63fbc2f5ne63b01726fcfe73e@mail.gmail.com>

Mike,

Hmmmm.........neither is Nebraska to Pitt....  8^)

 -Brad

 -----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Mike Jaixen

"Prior to arriving in Lincoln, he was at Pitt after leaving Ohio State.  Ohio
State to Pitt is hardly a promotion."
From gobigred66 at mac.com  Tue Dec 11 11:53:01 2007
From: gobigred66 at mac.com (Rod Wellman)
Date: Tue Dec 11 11:41:26 2007
Subject: [Husker] Corey McKeon's take on what went wrong
Message-ID: <0B6229D7-FEEB-4496-8531-C8D9BBFBC853@mac.com>

In a Chicago Tribune story, McKeon says that they changed the  
defense, and that he thinks maybe they got overworked in the spring  
and summer.

Entire article here:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/ 
cs-071210keepingupwithmckeon,0,1272103.story?page=1&coll=cs- 
highschool-headlines
Interesting.

What exactly did they change on defense?  I don't remember hearing  
anything about any drastic defensive changes...not in the same way as  
when NU went to the 4-3.

And, given the lack of energy on D, maybe he's right in that they  
were tired even before the season started?

One thing I remember hearing was that O-lineman were running in  
practice and workouts much, much more than in the past...making  
comments like "We're running more than most teams' receivers run."   
That's just another clue that maybe the Callahan staff had a bad  
approach to conditioning.  O lineman need to be in shape, for sure,  
but they need to be able to provide an awesome 5 second burst 80  
times a game, not the ability to sprint 100 yards.

Rod W.
Sioux City, Ia.



From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Tue Dec 11 11:58:45 2007
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott R Lawson)
Date: Tue Dec 11 11:47:21 2007
Subject: [Husker] Corey McKeon's take on what went wrong
In-Reply-To: <0B6229D7-FEEB-4496-8531-C8D9BBFBC853@mac.com>
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I think they changed the defense from 'effective' to 'ineffective'.

Scott in NY

-----Original Message-----
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Of Rod Wellman
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:53 PM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] Corey McKeon's take on what went wrong

In a Chicago Tribune story, McKeon says that they changed the  
defense, and that he thinks maybe they got overworked in the spring  
and summer.

Entire article here:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/ 
cs-071210keepingupwithmckeon,0,1272103.story?page=1&coll=cs- 
highschool-headlines
Interesting.

What exactly did they change on defense?  I don't remember hearing  
anything about any drastic defensive changes...not in the same way as  
when NU went to the 4-3.

And, given the lack of energy on D, maybe he's right in that they  
were tired even before the season started?

One thing I remember hearing was that O-lineman were running in  
practice and workouts much, much more than in the past...making  
comments like "We're running more than most teams' receivers run."   
That's just another clue that maybe the Callahan staff had a bad  
approach to conditioning.  O lineman need to be in shape, for sure,  
but they need to be able to provide an awesome 5 second burst 80  
times a game, not the ability to sprint 100 yards.

Rod W.
Sioux City, Ia.



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From sklarbodds at cox.net  Tue Dec 11 12:18:19 2007
From: sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Tue Dec 11 12:07:35 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Corey McKeon's take on what went wrong
In-Reply-To: <B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D365E5445@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
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	<B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D365E5445@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
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> I think they changed the defense from 'effective' to 'ineffective'.

Classic :)

> One thing I remember hearing was that O-lineman were running in
> practice and workouts much, much more than in the past...making
> comments like "We're running more than most teams' receivers run."

I have a very good friend that's a former NU o-lineman (just a few years
removed) who said they worked hard on strength and burst (Lots of weight,
short quick reps, usually 3 sets of 5).  He then commented that the current
conditioning program for lineman had shifted from burst to endurance (less
weight, sets of 10-15 and not a focus on speed).

Take it for what it's worth, but based on who he's friends with, I have good
reason to believe him.

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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 11 14:21:33 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Tue Dec 11 14:09:51 2007
Subject: [Husker] Pelini Excited to start Spring Practice
Message-ID: <435443.19257.qm@web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

This is why I think Pelini is a great hire and I'm once again excited
about all things Nebraska Football! 

http://tinyurl.com/2hyfrf

The last paragraph ends with Pelini saying: 

"We (can) get the state excited about Nebraska football again and
build on that. Let?s go. I?m ready to go win some football games.?

GBR! 

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From strongtodd at msn.com  Tue Dec 11 17:52:08 2007
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Tue Dec 11 17:40:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns
References: <242798.73723.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20071210172703.DGBIR.62241.root@eastrmwml06><16ee270e0712101715j25f6126tb47dc39de86ba9bb@mail.gmail.com>
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I have a very good friend who knows Bailey personally. I know, I know, third 
hand information.....lol.
Bailey was bummed about being "reassigned"...ahem. I am sure he would return 
in a heartbeat.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott R Lawson" <SLawson@uamail.albany.edu>
To: "Mark Landin" <marklandin@gmail.com>; <jroatiesr@cox.net>
Cc: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns


Bailey co-authored the book "Complete Conditioning for Football" with Mike 
Arthur back in the 90's, a book that lays out the Husker training program at 
the time pretty extensively. I still use this book for the weight training 
aspects.

Scott in NY


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From: husker-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Mark Landin
Sent: Mon 2007.12.10 20:15
To: jroatiesr@cox.net
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Subject: Re: [Husker] Dave Kennedy Resigns

The name I hear is Brian Bailey, a Lincoln native, currently S&C coach at 
USC.

On 12/10/07, jroatiesr@cox.net <jroatiesr@cox.net> wrote:
> Danny Noonan, former Husker, head strength and conditioning coach from UNO 
> would be a good candidate.
>
> Jerry in IOmaha
>
>
> ---- Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Not a huge surprise here, but Dave Kennedy has
> > resigned as strength and conditioning coach.  A lot of
> > discussion in recent weeks about the problems with the
> > football program have revolved around strength and
> > conditioning...or rather, the lack of it with players.
> >
> > http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10206270
> >
> > Personally, I think this is as big of a change as the
> > departure of Bill Callahan.  In recent years, we've
> > seen Nebraska being physically dominated, and
> > hopefully this change will improve things.  It's a
> > pressing need to find a replacement as winter
> > conditioning officially begins January 14th, and in
> > the meantime, players are working out since there
> > aren't any bowl practices.  Getting a new strength
> > coach in place quickly is crucial.  (I have to believe
> > that Nebraska already has a candidate already in mind...)
> >
> > Mike Jaixen
> > Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > 
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From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Tue Dec 11 20:49:32 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Tue Dec 11 20:37:48 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
Message-ID: <25926534.1197427772568.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

?It?s crazy out there,? Purify said. ?They expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line up after the games to get your autograph. But the only thing they care about is winning. That?s it.?

I sure welcome a new recruiting philosophy. 

Mike

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From fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 11 23:01:04 2007
From: fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com (Bob Fancher)
Date: Tue Dec 11 22:49:19 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
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--- Mike and Kel <mikelp73@peoplepc.com> wrote:

> ???It???s crazy out there,??? Purify said. ???They
> expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
> there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
> up after the games to get your autograph. But the
> only thing they care about is winning. That???s
> it.???
> 
> I sure welcome a new recruiting philosophy. 

  What does fan expectations have to do with recruiting?


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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Wed Dec 12 07:30:36 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Wed Dec 12 07:19:51 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
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Sent: 12/11/2007 23:04:41
Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
 
 
 
 
  What does fan expectations have to do with recruiting?
 
 
   
 
 
     Directly probably not a lot.  But, fans expectations are sure included in
     the thought process.
 
 
Bob Beach

From marklandin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 07:34:39 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Wed Dec 12 07:23:00 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
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On 12/11/07, Bob Fancher <fancherr_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --- Mike and Kel <mikelp73@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> > "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They
> > expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
> > there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
> > up after the games to get your autograph. But the
> > only thing they care about is winning. That's
> > it."
> >
> > I sure welcome a new recruiting philosophy.
>
>  What does fan expectations have to do with recruiting?

Indeed, I'm curious as to this correlation myself. Unless we are also
recruiting fans? In which case, I'd probably have to walk on.

-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From wsmith at towson.edu  Wed Dec 12 07:59:13 2007
From: wsmith at towson.edu (Smith, William)
Date: Wed Dec 12 07:55:03 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <16ee270e0712120534p20ef55e3k13b76605053b0442@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E0EAA55325F464EAAD07FAD49AEBB4D027B0585@krypton.towson.edu>

My interpretation of the original post (not that I agree with it, just this is the point I think was being made) was of course the fans wins (duh!) and this should come as no surprise to the players.  Hence a new respect for winning is needed in the next recruiting classes.  



Bill Smith
Towson, MD 




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Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:35 AM
To: Bob Fancher
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Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments


On 12/11/07, Bob Fancher <fancherr_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --- Mike and Kel <mikelp73@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> > "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They
> > expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
> > there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
> > up after the games to get your autograph. But the
> > only thing they care about is winning. That's
> > it."
> >
> > I sure welcome a new recruiting philosophy.
>
>  What does fan expectations have to do with recruiting?

Indeed, I'm curious as to this correlation myself. Unless we are also
recruiting fans? In which case, I'd probably have to walk on.

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From nickchevance at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 08:31:13 2007
From: nickchevance at gmail.com (Nick Chevance)
Date: Wed Dec 12 08:19:35 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
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>
> > > "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They
> > > expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
> > > there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
> > > up after the games to get your autograph. But the
> > > only thing they care about is winning. That's
> > > it."
>

Regardless of the debate concerning the relevance to recruiting, I feel
sorry that Maurice feels this way.  And from his perspective as a player,
perhaps this is all he can see.  But I think Dr. Tom summed it up best when
firing the head coach that it was not so much the losing, but how they
lost.  We as fans certainly want wins - anybody disagree with that??? - but
I think I would have taken some comfort from loses where we were
competitive.  I was at the aTm game and I was all jazzed up after the first
half because we were playing well, and it looked like we would make a game
of it.  2nd half - different story.  Okie State, Mizzou, USC, Kansas, same
story again and again.  Had we lost those games but played well enough to
win, made it close, held the other team to at least ONE three-and-out, I'd
feel better.

So, Maurice, no, wins are not all we care about.  Is it important to win?
You bet.  That's the one statistic that counts.  Is it just as important to
play well and do your best?  Yes again.  And that's what I don't think we
saw much of this year.  Something was missing from this team, but it wasn't
just not winning.

Nick

-- 
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others."
Anon
From matthew.a.phillips at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 08:40:21 2007
From: matthew.a.phillips at gmail.com (Matt Phillips)
Date: Wed Dec 12 08:28:52 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
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Mike, I think I get your point, but... I can't find anything in Purify's
comments that isn't true. That's kinda sad.

I just saw Nick's comments, so I'll shut up now. :)

...I just welcome a new coaching staff!  The amount of plays that Mo was NOT
on the field this year was ridiculous. 

GBR,
~m

> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Kel
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:50 PM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
> 
> "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They expect a lot. 
> Every game there are 90,000 people there to watch you play, 
> and thousands of fans line up after the games to get your 
> autograph. But the only thing they care about is winning. That's it."
> 
> I sure welcome a new recruiting philosophy. 
> 
> Mike
> 
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From robhollo423 at comcast.net  Wed Dec 12 08:41:18 2007
From: robhollo423 at comcast.net (Robert)
Date: Wed Dec 12 08:29:44 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
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Correct, we became "crazy" fans because of the way we were losing, not that 
we lost.

Nebraska fans are known for applauding valiant efforts, whether it is by our 
Huskers or an opponent.

So, Maurice, please remember, we "crazy" Husker fans stood by you in your 
time of need and will always consider you a Husker and will support you 
through your professional career as well.

Sincerely,

Robert


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments


> >
>> > > "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They
>> > > expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
>> > > there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
>> > > up after the games to get your autograph. But the
>> > > only thing they care about is winning. That's
>> > > it."
>>
>
> Regardless of the debate concerning the relevance to recruiting, I feel
> sorry that Maurice feels this way.  And from his perspective as a player,
> perhaps this is all he can see.  But I think Dr. Tom summed it up best 
> when
> firing the head coach that it was not so much the losing, but how they
> lost.  We as fans certainly want wins - anybody disagree with that??? - 
> but
> I think I would have taken some comfort from loses where we were
> competitive.  I was at the aTm game and I was all jazzed up after the 
> first
> half because we were playing well, and it looked like we would make a game
> of it.  2nd half - different story.  Okie State, Mizzou, USC, Kansas, same
> story again and again.  Had we lost those games but played well enough to
> win, made it close, held the other team to at least ONE three-and-out, I'd
> feel better.
>
> So, Maurice, no, wins are not all we care about.  Is it important to win?
> You bet.  That's the one statistic that counts.  Is it just as important 
> to
> play well and do your best?  Yes again.  And that's what I don't think we
> saw much of this year.  Something was missing from this team, but it 
> wasn't
> just not winning.
>
> Nick
>
> -- 
> "It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning 
> to
> others."
> Anon
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From jschlechte at usfamily.net  Wed Dec 12 08:45:03 2007
From: jschlechte at usfamily.net (jschlechte@usfamily.net)
Date: Wed Dec 12 08:33:28 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
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>> > > "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They
>> > > expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
>> > > there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
>> > > up after the games to get your autograph. But the
>> > > only thing they care about is winning. That's
>> > > it."

My take on this is that Callahan's recruiting and/or player development 
focused
on other areas.  The team showed it really did not have a passion to 
win, to be
the best, etc.  Losing became common place and therefore acceptable to the
players.  So what if we lose, there's always another game.  Recruiting 
talented
players is important, but they also need to be driven to succeed.  Some 
of that
can be nurtured, but some needs to come from the players themselves.  I don't
see that in Purify's comments.  Instead, I see him whining (and this may be a
bit strong, but that's how it appears to me) about the expectations placed on
the team.  That's not the attitude I want to see in who comes to play for
Nebraska.

GBR,

- jay



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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 10:18:39 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Wed Dec 12 10:07:01 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <20071212084503.mc2o897r9cowksgs@webmail.usfamily.net>
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My take on it is that Maurice was talking to a Eureka, California- 
based newspaper, forgot about the internets, and made some asinine off- 
the-cuff remark that shouldn't be taken too seriously.

As for winning, when it comes down to it, that's all we all care  
about. If you take everything else away, coaches don't keep their jobs  
if they don't win. You can paint whatever you want over the top of  
that to pretty it up - stuff about academics and traditions - but the  
bottom line is very simple. Win, keep your job. Lose, get fired.

The joke is that Maurice is going into the NFL and if he thought  
Husker fans were about winning.... well, welcome to your bonus, Mo.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 12, 2007, at 8:45 AM, jschlechte@usfamily.net wrote:

>
>
>>> > > "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They
>>> > > expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
>>> > > there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
>>> > > up after the games to get your autograph. But the
>>> > > only thing they care about is winning. That's
>>> > > it."
>
> My take on this is that Callahan's recruiting and/or player  
> development focused
> on other areas.  The team showed it really did not have a passion to  
> win, to be
> the best, etc.  Losing became common place and therefore acceptable  
> to the
> players.  So what if we lose, there's always another game.   
> Recruiting talented
> players is important, but they also need to be driven to succeed.   
> Some of that
> can be nurtured, but some needs to come from the players  
> themselves.  I don't
> see that in Purify's comments.  Instead, I see him whining (and this  
> may be a
> bit strong, but that's how it appears to me) about the expectations  
> placed on
> the team.  That's not the attitude I want to see in who comes to  
> play for
> Nebraska.
>
> GBR,
>
> - jay
>
>
>
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From Kaufsss at aol.com  Wed Dec 12 10:47:26 2007
From: Kaufsss at aol.com (Kaufsss@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec 12 10:44:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
Message-ID: <c5c.20fb875c.34916a9e@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 12/12/2007 8:50:30 AM Central Standard Time,  
robhollo423@comcast.net writes:

So,  Maurice, please remember, we "crazy" Husker fans stood by you in your 
time  of need and will always consider you a Husker and will support you 
through  your professional career as well.




I think maybe you and I will stick by him - but remember earlier in the  year 
- with his alcohol related problem, I asked (sarcastically) if some wanted  
him hung for his offenses.  I got a few off list and one on list reply that  
yes - they wanted him punished and off the team.  So, as with anything, you  
have to look at it from his side.  I suspect he was not treated as nicely  as you 
perceive.  
 
Also - he probably took Callahans firing pretty hard -(even hostages start  
feeling a love for their captors:} )  Callahan stuck up for him and helped  him 
through some pretty tough times in his life.  It would be interesting  to see 
him play one more year in college - and see what he can really do.   
 
Steve  Kauf
A Husker fan deep in South Texas
NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE  ACTION
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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 12 12:29:51 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Wed Dec 12 12:18:05 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <c5c.20fb875c.34916a9e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <482603.59428.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

He cant play another year he has no time left to play. He was a senior this past season.




Kaufsss@aol.com wrote:  
 
In a message dated 12/12/2007 8:50:30 AM Central Standard Time,  
robhollo423@comcast.net writes:

So,  Maurice, please remember, we "crazy" Husker fans stood by you in your 
time  of need and will always consider you a Husker and will support you 
through  your professional career as well.




I think maybe you and I will stick by him - but remember earlier in the  year 
- with his alcohol related problem, I asked (sarcastically) if some wanted  
him hung for his offenses.  I got a few off list and one on list reply that  
yes - they wanted him punished and off the team.  So, as with anything, you  
have to look at it from his side.  I suspect he was not treated as nicely  as you 
perceive.  
 
Also - he probably took Callahans firing pretty hard -(even hostages start  
feeling a love for their captors:} )  Callahan stuck up for him and helped  him 
through some pretty tough times in his life.  It would be interesting  to see 
him play one more year in college - and see what he can really do.   
 
Steve  Kauf
A Husker fan deep in South Texas
NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE  ACTION
NOT THE GOAL BUT THE GAME
IN THE DEED THE  GLORY



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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 12 12:52:18 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Wed Dec 12 12:40:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <c5c.20fb875c.34916a9e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <825001.56630.qm@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was one of those people who felt that Purify should
have been suspended this season, with the opportunity
to redshirt and come back in 2008.  I think he needed
the structure of the football program, but his one
game suspension was too lenient IMHO.

I'm not surprised that Purify would stand up for
Callahan; Callahan stuck his neck out for Purify, so
he rightfully is returning the favor.

--- Kaufsss@aol.com wrote:

> Also - he probably took Callahans firing pretty hard
> -(even hostages start  
> feeling a love for their captors:} )  Callahan stuck
> up for him and helped  him 
> through some pretty tough times in his life.  It
> would be interesting  to see 
> him play one more year in college - and see what he
> can really do.   


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From gzimmerman at everestkc.net  Wed Dec 12 13:36:52 2007
From: gzimmerman at everestkc.net (gzimmerman@everestkc.net)
Date: Wed Dec 12 13:28:52 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <c5c.20fb875c.34916a9e@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <f521e3538485.475fe3f4@everestkc.net>

Yes Steve, I was one of the one's who didn't want people of Mr. Purify's character representing my university.

I still stand by that statement. What Mr. Purify said helps to confirm it.   

Greg Zimmerman, UNL '75
Overland Park, Kansas

----- Original Message -----
From: Kaufsss@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments

> 
> 
> In a message dated 12/12/2007 8:50:30 AM Central Standard Time,  
> robhollo423@comcast.net writes:
> 
> So,  Maurice, please remember, we "crazy" Husker fans stood by you 
> in your 
> time  of need and will always consider you a Husker and will 
> support you 
> through  your professional career as well.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think maybe you and I will stick by him - but remember earlier 
> in the  year 
> - with his alcohol related problem, I asked (sarcastically) if 
> some wanted  
> him hung for his offenses.  I got a few off list and one on list 
> reply that  
> yes - they wanted him punished and off the team.  So, as with 
> anything, you  
> have to look at it from his side.  I suspect he was not treated as 
> nicely  as you 
> perceive.  
> 
> Also - he probably took Callahans firing pretty hard -(even 
> hostages start  
> feeling a love for their captors:} )  Callahan stuck up for him 
> and helped  him 
> through some pretty tough times in his life.  It would be 
> interesting  to see 
> him play one more year in college - and see what he can really do. 
>  
> 
> Steve  Kauf
> A Husker fan deep in South Texas
> NOT THE VICTORY BUT THE  ACTION
> NOT THE GOAL BUT THE GAME
> IN THE DEED THE  GLORY
> 
> 
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 12 14:21:17 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Wed Dec 12 14:09:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <0E0EAA55325F464EAAD07FAD49AEBB4D027B0585@krypton.towson.edu>
Message-ID: <64951.99078.qm@web52410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Interesting. 

My interpretation of the original post was that "Winning" was not as
much of a priority for Purify as it was for the "Fans." Also that
Purify was not as invested in Nebraska Winning Championships or in
playing for the "Fans." 

It is more likely that the Fans (more than SOME of the current
players) are the ones invested in the Nebraska Football legacy of
playing hard smash-mouth football and WINNING championships. 

A new recruiting philosophy is also welcome in my opinion. I want to
see players that CARE about the University, the Fans and WINNING
games more than they care about the Heisman, leaving early for the
Pro's, etc. 

I know it's a pipe dream with these Gen X,Y,Z, et al-ers! 

GBR, 

Lynette

--- "Smith, William" <wsmith@towson.edu> wrote:

> My interpretation of the original post (not that I agree with it,
> just this is the point I think was being made) was of course the
> fans wins (duh!) and this should come as no surprise to the
> players.  Hence a new respect for winning is needed in the next
> recruiting classes.  
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Smith
> Towson, MD 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On
> Behalf
> Of Mark Landin
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:35 AM
> To: Bob Fancher
> Cc: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
> 
> 
> On 12/11/07, Bob Fancher <fancherr_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > --- Mike and Kel <mikelp73@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They
> > > expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
> > > there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
> > > up after the games to get your autograph. But the
> > > only thing they care about is winning. That's
> > > it."
> > >
> > > I sure welcome a new recruiting philosophy.
> >
> >  What does fan expectations have to do with recruiting?
> 
> Indeed, I'm curious as to this correlation myself. Unless we are
> also
> recruiting fans? In which case, I'd probably have to walk on.
> 
> -- 
> "If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
> would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland
> 
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 12 14:28:59 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Wed Dec 12 14:17:11 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <20071212084503.mc2o897r9cowksgs@webmail.usfamily.net>
Message-ID: <912294.25864.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Agreed. And I think you hit the nail on the head. Callahan focused on
mental things that just don't get it done on the field. Same was true
his last year with the Oakland Raiders! They went from being a Super
Bowl team (riding on Grodin's shirttail) to a 2 and whatever team --
just totally a HUGE change in philosophy that killed the passion for
WINNING anything. 

I also believe the list pointed this out when Callahan was hired. It
took 4 years and firing SP to change that back to a Nebraska legacy
winning isn't everything but darn important philosophy. 

GBR, 

Lynette

--- jschlechte@usfamily.net wrote:

> 
> 
> >> > > "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They
> >> > > expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
> >> > > there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
> >> > > up after the games to get your autograph. But the
> >> > > only thing they care about is winning. That's
> >> > > it."
> 
> My take on this is that Callahan's recruiting and/or player
> development 
> focused
> on other areas.  The team showed it really did not have a passion
> to 
> win, to be
> the best, etc.  Losing became common place and therefore acceptable
> to the
> players.  So what if we lose, there's always another game. 
> Recruiting 
> talented
> players is important, but they also need to be driven to succeed. 
> Some 
> of that
> can be nurtured, but some needs to come from the players
> themselves.  I don't
> see that in Purify's comments.  Instead, I see him whining (and
> this may be a
> bit strong, but that's how it appears to me) about the expectations
> placed on
> the team.  That's not the attitude I want to see in who comes to
> play for
> Nebraska.
> 
> GBR,
> 
> - jay
> 
> 
> 
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From marklandin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 14:32:06 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Wed Dec 12 14:21:18 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <64951.99078.qm@web52410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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On 12/12/07, Lynette Tillner <ltillner@yahoo.com> wrote:

> A new recruiting philosophy is also welcome in my opinion. I want to
> see players that CARE about the University, the Fans and WINNING
> games more than they care about the Heisman, leaving early for the
> Pro's, etc.

How does one evaluate that during the recruiting process?  Looking at
the current list of verbal commits (all but two of which were offered
scholarships by the Callahan staff) whom would you judge as not caring
about the University enough to warrant a scholarship offer?

How important is that vis-a-vis actual athletic and football ability?
For instance, coming out of high school, I definitely ranked extremely
high in caring about the University, the fans, and winning, but would
have scored very low in the ability department. Should I have gotten a
scholarship over a Maurice Purify?

Saying "we need to recruit players who care about NU" is as easy to
say, and as difficult to define, as "call plays that work!".

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would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From sklarbodds at cox.net  Wed Dec 12 14:43:03 2007
From: sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Wed Dec 12 14:32:23 2007
Subject: [personal] Re: [Husker] Purify comments
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	<912294.25864.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> They went from being a Super
> Bowl team (riding on Grodin's shirttail) to a 2 and whatever team --

Not to nitpick, but it was 4-12.  Otherwise good post ;)

--
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From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Wed Dec 12 18:20:06 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Wed Dec 12 18:08:18 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
Message-ID: <23557096.1197505206637.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I would have hoped that he would appreciate that "90,000" fans were still there supporting the team after a 5-7 season and it must be because they cared about more than winning. Also that they were still there supporting him in spite of some past mistakes.

I hope a new emphasis on in-state recruits ( hopefully some of them as team leaders) will change that overall attitude.

Good luck to Purify. I wish he had learned more while he was here.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Lynette Tillner <ltillner@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 12, 2007 3:21 PM
>To: "Smith, William" <wsmith@towson.edu>
>Cc: husker@tssi.com
>Subject: RE: [Husker] Purify comments
>
>Interesting. 
>
>My interpretation of the original post was that "Winning" was not as
>much of a priority for Purify as it was for the "Fans." Also that
>Purify was not as invested in Nebraska Winning Championships or in
>playing for the "Fans." 
>
>It is more likely that the Fans (more than SOME of the current
>players) are the ones invested in the Nebraska Football legacy of
>playing hard smash-mouth football and WINNING championships. 
>
>A new recruiting philosophy is also welcome in my opinion. I want to
>see players that CARE about the University, the Fans and WINNING
>games more than they care about the Heisman, leaving early for the
>Pro's, etc. 
>
>I know it's a pipe dream with these Gen X,Y,Z, et al-ers! 
>
>GBR, 
>
>Lynette
>
>--- "Smith, William" <wsmith@towson.edu> wrote:
>
>> My interpretation of the original post (not that I agree with it,
>> just this is the point I think was being made) was of course the
>> fans wins (duh!) and this should come as no surprise to the
>> players.  Hence a new respect for winning is needed in the next
>> recruiting classes.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bill Smith
>> Towson, MD 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On
>> Behalf
>> Of Mark Landin
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:35 AM
>> To: Bob Fancher
>> Cc: husker@tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/11/07, Bob Fancher <fancherr_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > --- Mike and Kel <mikelp73@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They
>> > > expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
>> > > there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
>> > > up after the games to get your autograph. But the
>> > > only thing they care about is winning. That's
>> > > it."
>> > >
>> > > I sure welcome a new recruiting philosophy.
>> >
>> >  What does fan expectations have to do with recruiting?
>> 
>> Indeed, I'm curious as to this correlation myself. Unless we are
>> also
>> recruiting fans? In which case, I'd probably have to walk on.
>> 
>> -- 
>> "If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
>> would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> husker site list
>> husker@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>> 
>> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently. 
>> The problem appears to be on their end.
>> 
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>> 
>
>
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>
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From fourtwophd at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 19:45:59 2007
From: fourtwophd at gmail.com (Scott Stewart)
Date: Wed Dec 12 19:34:21 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
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I actually see this comment as a defense of BC. Players frequently defend
their coaches after they are fired.

I am actually a little glad he said it. It gives me some hope that there was
a minuscule level of cohesiveness on this team. I sure didn't see much of it
on the field...maybe next year.

Just an interesting side note.

Have you ever noticed that you only hear people talk about the "win at all
costs" mentality or expectations when they are losing? I mean I don't recall
Steve Frazier or Turner Gill talking a lot about this. I remember Florida
complaining about it and pointing the finger at us for playing LP in the
Fiesta Bowl.

It is kind of a verbal slight of hand. If I put you on the defensive or
direct your attention elsewhere then we don't have to deal with losing.

Scott

On Dec 12, 2007 7:20 PM, Mike and Kel <mikelp73@peoplepc.com> wrote:

> I would have hoped that he would appreciate that "90,000" fans were still
> there supporting the team after a 5-7 season and it must be because they
> cared about more than winning. Also that they were still there supporting
> him in spite of some past mistakes.
>
> I hope a new emphasis on in-state recruits ( hopefully some of them as
> team leaders) will change that overall attitude.
>
> Good luck to Purify. I wish he had learned more while he was here.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Lynette Tillner <ltillner@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Dec 12, 2007 3:21 PM
> >To: "Smith, William" <wsmith@towson.edu>
> >Cc: husker@tssi.com
> >Subject: RE: [Husker] Purify comments
> >
> >Interesting.
> >
> >My interpretation of the original post was that "Winning" was not as
> >much of a priority for Purify as it was for the "Fans." Also that
> >Purify was not as invested in Nebraska Winning Championships or in
> >playing for the "Fans."
> >
> >It is more likely that the Fans (more than SOME of the current
> >players) are the ones invested in the Nebraska Football legacy of
> >playing hard smash-mouth football and WINNING championships.
> >
> >A new recruiting philosophy is also welcome in my opinion. I want to
> >see players that CARE about the University, the Fans and WINNING
> >games more than they care about the Heisman, leaving early for the
> >Pro's, etc.
> >
> >I know it's a pipe dream with these Gen X,Y,Z, et al-ers!
> >
> >GBR,
> >
> >Lynette
> >
> >--- "Smith, William" <wsmith@towson.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> My interpretation of the original post (not that I agree with it,
> >> just this is the point I think was being made) was of course the
> >> fans wins (duh!) and this should come as no surprise to the
> >> players.  Hence a new respect for winning is needed in the next
> >> recruiting classes.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill Smith
> >> Towson, MD
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Mark Landin
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:35 AM
> >> To: Bob Fancher
> >> Cc: husker@tssi.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/11/07, Bob Fancher <fancherr_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > --- Mike and Kel <mikelp73@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They
> >> > > expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
> >> > > there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
> >> > > up after the games to get your autograph. But the
> >> > > only thing they care about is winning. That's
> >> > > it."
> >> > >
> >> > > I sure welcome a new recruiting philosophy.
> >> >
> >> >  What does fan expectations have to do with recruiting?
> >>
> >> Indeed, I'm curious as to this correlation myself. Unless we are
> >> also
> >> recruiting fans? In which case, I'd probably have to walk on.
> >>
> >> --
> >> "If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
> >> would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland
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From kmckillip at houston.rr.com  Wed Dec 12 20:25:19 2007
From: kmckillip at houston.rr.com (Kenneth McKillip)
Date: Wed Dec 12 20:13:34 2007
Subject: FW: [Husker] Purify comments
Message-ID: <006701c83d2f$689b13d0$6700a8c0@userc62e806ee2>

When Tom was here in Houston a few years back he talked about this.

Basically, he said if the recruit ask mostly questions about what NU could
do for him and his playing time and how many awards NU players won,
enhancing NFL prospects, etc. versus how he could help the team, expressing
interest in playing at NU because of academics, winning tradition, wanting
to play with the type of players he met at NU, etc. TO ran the other way.

He was judging the player based on whether he would fit into the team
concept and execute his role.

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Mark Landin
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 2:32 PM
To: Lynette Tillner
Cc: husker@tssi.com; Smith, William
Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments

On 12/12/07, Lynette Tillner <ltillner@yahoo.com> wrote:

> A new recruiting philosophy is also welcome in my opinion. I want to
> see players that CARE about the University, the Fans and WINNING
> games more than they care about the Heisman, leaving early for the
> Pro's, etc.

How does one evaluate that during the recruiting process?  Looking at
the current list of verbal commits (all but two of which were offered
scholarships by the Callahan staff) whom would you judge as not caring
about the University enough to warrant a scholarship offer?

How important is that vis-a-vis actual athletic and football ability?
For instance, coming out of high school, I definitely ranked extremely
high in caring about the University, the fans, and winning, but would
have scored very low in the ability department. Should I have gotten a
scholarship over a Maurice Purify?

Saying "we need to recruit players who care about NU" is as easy to
say, and as difficult to define, as "call plays that work!".

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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 12 20:29:26 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Wed Dec 12 20:17:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <7ff8e2b70712121745u22bb89e5wd664347164d3fb43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <121843.78009.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I dont mean to sound stupid but who was Steve Frazier. 




Scott Stewart <fourtwophd@gmail.com> wrote: I actually see this comment as a defense of BC. Players frequently defend
their coaches after they are fired.

I am actually a little glad he said it. It gives me some hope that there was
a minuscule level of cohesiveness on this team. I sure didn't see much of it
on the field...maybe next year.

Just an interesting side note.

Have you ever noticed that you only hear people talk about the "win at all
costs" mentality or expectations when they are losing? I mean I don't recall
Steve Frazier or Turner Gill talking a lot about this. I remember Florida
complaining about it and pointing the finger at us for playing LP in the
Fiesta Bowl.

It is kind of a verbal slight of hand. If I put you on the defensive or
direct your attention elsewhere then we don't have to deal with losing.

Scott

On Dec 12, 2007 7:20 PM, Mike and Kel  wrote:

> I would have hoped that he would appreciate that "90,000" fans were still
> there supporting the team after a 5-7 season and it must be because they
> cared about more than winning. Also that they were still there supporting
> him in spite of some past mistakes.
>
> I hope a new emphasis on in-state recruits ( hopefully some of them as
> team leaders) will change that overall attitude.
>
> Good luck to Purify. I wish he had learned more while he was here.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Lynette Tillner 
> >Sent: Dec 12, 2007 3:21 PM
> >To: "Smith, William" 
> >Cc: husker@tssi.com
> >Subject: RE: [Husker] Purify comments
> >
> >Interesting.
> >
> >My interpretation of the original post was that "Winning" was not as
> >much of a priority for Purify as it was for the "Fans." Also that
> >Purify was not as invested in Nebraska Winning Championships or in
> >playing for the "Fans."
> >
> >It is more likely that the Fans (more than SOME of the current
> >players) are the ones invested in the Nebraska Football legacy of
> >playing hard smash-mouth football and WINNING championships.
> >
> >A new recruiting philosophy is also welcome in my opinion. I want to
> >see players that CARE about the University, the Fans and WINNING
> >games more than they care about the Heisman, leaving early for the
> >Pro's, etc.
> >
> >I know it's a pipe dream with these Gen X,Y,Z, et al-ers!
> >
> >GBR,
> >
> >Lynette
> >
> >--- "Smith, William"  wrote:
> >
> >> My interpretation of the original post (not that I agree with it,
> >> just this is the point I think was being made) was of course the
> >> fans wins (duh!) and this should come as no surprise to the
> >> players.  Hence a new respect for winning is needed in the next
> >> recruiting classes.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill Smith
> >> Towson, MD
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Mark Landin
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:35 AM
> >> To: Bob Fancher
> >> Cc: husker@tssi.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/11/07, Bob Fancher  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > --- Mike and Kel  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > "It's crazy out there," Purify said. "They
> >> > > expect a lot. Every game there are 90,000 people
> >> > > there to watch you play, and thousands of fans line
> >> > > up after the games to get your autograph. But the
> >> > > only thing they care about is winning. That's
> >> > > it."
> >> > >
> >> > > I sure welcome a new recruiting philosophy.
> >> >
> >> >  What does fan expectations have to do with recruiting?
> >>
> >> Indeed, I'm curious as to this correlation myself. Unless we are
> >> also
> >> recruiting fans? In which case, I'd probably have to walk on.
> >>
> >> --
> >> "If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
> >> would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland
> >>
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From approved2 at cox.net  Wed Dec 12 21:19:01 2007
From: approved2 at cox.net (Paul Camenzind)
Date: Wed Dec 12 21:07:59 2007
Subject: [Husker] Andy Roddick in Omaha
Message-ID: <000b01c83d36$e860de90$0201a8c0@jackman>

Nebraska native Andy Roddick will be in Omaha Friday night at the Qwest Center Omaha. I have two extra lower bowl tickets if anybody is interested. Email me off list.

Paul
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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Thu Dec 13 00:05:49 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Wed Dec 12 23:55:06 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
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References: <121843.78009.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <vgimtmayanfbrobdmvpa.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
 
--- Source message ---
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Sent: 12/12/2007 20:32:28
Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
 
I dont mean to sound stupid but who was Steve Frazier. 
 
 
 
 
 
     Well, if you are stupid then so am I, which people will already admit.  I
     have no clue who Steve Frazier is either.
 
 
Bob Beach

From ltillner at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 13 00:18:49 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Thu Dec 13 00:06:58 2007
Subject: [personal] Re: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <006e01c83cff$97a30730$c6e91590$@net>
Message-ID: <373056.86234.qm@web52402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yes, well, memory fades in old age and I begin to embellish...  :-) 


--- Skylar Dodds <sklarbodds@cox.net> wrote:

> > They went from being a Super
> > Bowl team (riding on Grodin's shirttail) to a 2 and whatever team
> --
> 
> Not to nitpick, but it was 4-12.  Otherwise good post ;)
> 
> --
> Skylar
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 13 00:22:42 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Thu Dec 13 00:10:51 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <vgimtmayanfbrobdmvpa.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <899868.78360.qm@web52404.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Could this have been a poster Senior Moment and they meant to say
"Tommy" Frazier? (Unless "Steve" is Tommy's older brother but I don't
think so...) :-) 


--- Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com> wrote:

>  
>  
> --- Source message ---
> From: "j j" <jjj112665@yahoo.com>
> Sent: 12/12/2007 20:32:28
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
>  
> I dont mean to sound stupid but who was Steve Frazier. 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>      Well, if you are stupid then so am I, which people will
> already admit.  I
>      have no clue who Steve Frazier is either.
>  
>  
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From jfpgroup at msn.com  Thu Dec 13 00:25:20 2007
From: jfpgroup at msn.com (Steven Johnson)
Date: Thu Dec 13 00:13:53 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
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	<vgimtmayanfbrobdmvpa.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
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I think it was a typo.  It has to be Tommy Frazier.

Steven J
Class of 83
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>
>
> --- Source message ---
> From: "j j" <jjj112665@yahoo.com>
> Sent: 12/12/2007 20:32:28
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
>
> I dont mean to sound stupid but who was Steve Frazier.
>
>
>
>
>
>     Well, if you are stupid then so am I, which people will already admit. 
> I
>     have no clue who Steve Frazier is either.
>
>
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Thu Dec 13 00:32:53 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Thu Dec 13 00:21:17 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <vgimtmayanfbrobdmvpa.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
References: <121843.78009.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<vgimtmayanfbrobdmvpa.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4760D215.8060107@comcast.net>

Baseballguy wrote:

>      Well, if you are stupid then so am I, which people will already admit.  I
>      have no clue who Steve Frazier is either.

Most likely, "he" is a conflation of Steve Taylor and Tommie Frazier.

-- 
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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 13 06:11:22 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Thu Dec 13 05:59:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <4760D215.8060107@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <29181.23446.qm@web55211.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

That was my thoughts too, but I am so busy with basketball right now that I thought I had better ask to make sure someone hadn't slipped my memory (no that would surely never happen lol). OK glad to know that I'm not stupid. ; )




Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote: Baseballguy wrote:

>      Well, if you are stupid then so am I, which people will already admit.  I
>      have no clue who Steve Frazier is either.

Most likely, "he" is a conflation of Steve Taylor and Tommie Frazier.

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From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Thu Dec 13 07:40:53 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Thu Dec 13 07:29:10 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
Message-ID: <221475.14629.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Or perhaps he REALLY meant "Tommie Frazier."

Or not.

Duane


----- Original Message ----
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Could this have been a poster Senior Moment and they meant to say
"Tommy" Frazier? (Unless "Steve" is Tommy's older brother but I don't
think so...) :-)
From drr at livgenmi.com  Thu Dec 13 08:14:52 2007
From: drr at livgenmi.com (Don Rietsch)
Date: Thu Dec 13 08:03:15 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <221475.14629.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20071213141458.26EF11C1F7@gw.tssi.com>

I can't believe how you' all take such enjoyment in pointing out someone's
simple mistake.  You remind me of a bunch of nine year olds or better yet a
bunch of chickens going after the chicken with the sore butt...



-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Duane Feldman
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:41 AM
To: Lynette Tillner; Baseballguy; Husker List
Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments

Or perhaps he REALLY meant "Tommie Frazier."

Or not.

Duane


----- Original Message ----
From: Lynette Tillner ltillner@yahoo.com


Could this have been a poster Senior Moment and they meant to say
"Tommy" Frazier? (Unless "Steve" is Tommy's older brother but I don't
think so...) :-)
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From dlfeldman at ameritech.net  Thu Dec 13 09:21:29 2007
From: dlfeldman at ameritech.net (Duane Feldman)
Date: Thu Dec 13 09:09:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
Message-ID: <1823.59227.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It's pretty obvious that humor just does not work on message boards.  What might be considered "bantering" in regular conversation is evidently met with hostilities and some pretty gruesome analogies. Don, I don't see how you can consider either Lynette's or my comments as anything close to serious.  OTOH, yours seems pretty critical . . . .

I understand why some have stopped posting.  I'll consider likewise.

Duane


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Subject: RE: [Husker] Purify comments

I can't believe how you' all take such enjoyment in pointing out someone's
simple mistake.  You remind me of a bunch of nine year olds or better yet a
bunch of chickens going after the chicken with the sore butt...



-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Duane Feldman
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:41 AM
To: Lynette Tillner; Baseballguy; Husker List
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Or perhaps he REALLY meant "Tommie Frazier."

Or not.

Duane


----- Original Message ----
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Could this have been a poster Senior Moment and they meant to say
"Tommy" Frazier? (Unless "Steve" is Tommy's older brother but I don't
think so...) :-)
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 13 12:32:00 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Thu Dec 13 12:20:09 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <1823.59227.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <498009.4074.qm@web52402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


My comment was meant purely as a smile! I even added a smiley :-) at
the end..... 

I never mean to offend anyone - at anytime but we are all human and
email just doesn't convey mood or facial expressions. 

Lynette


--- Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net> wrote:

> It's pretty obvious that humor just does not work on message
> boards.  What might be considered "bantering" in regular
> conversation is evidently met with hostilities and some pretty
> gruesome analogies. Don, I don't see how you can consider either
> Lynette's or my comments as anything close to serious.  OTOH, yours
> seems pretty critical . . . .
> 
> I understand why some have stopped posting.  I'll consider
> likewise.
> 
> Duane
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Don Rietsch <drr@livgenmi.com>
> To: Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>; Lynette Tillner
> <ltillner@yahoo.com>; Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>; Husker
> List <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:14:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [Husker] Purify comments
> 
> I can't believe how you' all take such enjoyment in pointing out
> someone's
> simple mistake.  You remind me of a bunch of nine year olds or
> better yet a
> bunch of chickens going after the chicken with the sore butt...
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Duane Feldman
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:41 AM
> To: Lynette Tillner; Baseballguy; Husker List
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
> 
> Or perhaps he REALLY meant "Tommie Frazier."
> 
> Or not.
> 
> Duane
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lynette Tillner ltillner@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> Could this have been a poster Senior Moment and they meant to say
> "Tommy" Frazier? (Unless "Steve" is Tommy's older brother but I
> don't
> think so...) :-)
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> The
> problem appears to be on their end.


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From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Thu Dec 13 17:35:07 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Thu Dec 13 17:23:18 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
Message-ID: <6939773.1197588908096.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

It is a little known fact that Tommie's real first name was Steve and he went by his middle name of Tommie because he didn't like Steve. I only found this out by searching Wikipedia for several days and calling his relatives at 3 am to confirm this. I have a restraining order to prove it. Therefore you are all right and no apologies are needed. It's kinda funny but Steve Taylor's real first name was Tommie.

Now let's all get back to real important stuff like if ole Jeff Osborne can get this ship righted. 

: )

Mike aka Lynette aka Basketballguy,,,etc

-----Original Message-----
>From: Lynette Tillner <ltillner@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 13, 2007 1:32 PM
>To: Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>, Don Rietsch <drr@livgenmi.com>, Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>, Husker List <husker@tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
>
>
>My comment was meant purely as a smile! I even added a smiley :-) at
>the end..... 
>
>I never mean to offend anyone - at anytime but we are all human and
>email just doesn't convey mood or facial expressions. 
>
>Lynette
>
>
>--- Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>> It's pretty obvious that humor just does not work on message
>> boards.  What might be considered "bantering" in regular
>> conversation is evidently met with hostilities and some pretty
>> gruesome analogies. Don, I don't see how you can consider either
>> Lynette's or my comments as anything close to serious.  OTOH, yours
>> seems pretty critical . . . .
>> 
>> I understand why some have stopped posting.  I'll consider
>> likewise.
>> 
>> Duane
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Don Rietsch <drr@livgenmi.com>
>> To: Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>; Lynette Tillner
>> <ltillner@yahoo.com>; Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>; Husker
>> List <husker@tssi.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:14:52 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Husker] Purify comments
>> 
>> I can't believe how you' all take such enjoyment in pointing out
>> someone's
>> simple mistake.  You remind me of a bunch of nine year olds or
>> better yet a
>> bunch of chickens going after the chicken with the sore butt...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Duane Feldman
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:41 AM
>> To: Lynette Tillner; Baseballguy; Husker List
>> Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
>> 
>> Or perhaps he REALLY meant "Tommie Frazier."
>> 
>> Or not.
>> 
>> Duane
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Lynette Tillner ltillner@yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> Could this have been a poster Senior Moment and they meant to say
>> "Tommy" Frazier? (Unless "Steve" is Tommy's older brother but I
>> don't
>> think so...) :-)
>> _______________________________________________
>> husker site list
>> husker@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>> 
>> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently. 
>> The
>> problem appears to be on their end.
>
>
>Lynette Tillner
>ltillner@yahoo.com
>
>
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From drr at livgenmi.com  Thu Dec 13 18:36:21 2007
From: drr at livgenmi.com (Don Rietsch)
Date: Thu Dec 13 18:24:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <6939773.1197588908096.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20071214003621.BC3DA1C1F7@gw.tssi.com>

I agree Mikenkel.  Seriously, has anyone heard any more about the status of
the recruiting program?  I just read the December issue of Huskers
Illustrated and they didn't paint a very rosy picture.  They mentioned a
half dozen additional players who may defect.  We are approaching the no
contact period; I would think there must be some news out there.

I wish someone would talk BP and Co. into incorporating a wingback into
their offense.  I always thought the wingback was the most dangerous player
on the team.  Put a 5' 10" 185 lb. burner back/out there (ilo a H back) and
throw/hand him the ball 4-5 times a game.  I fondly remember Dana Brinson
streaking down the field with the defense in hot pursuit and no one fast
enough to catch him.  I guess we do use a wide receiver in this role but
they are receivers first and not all of them are great open field runners.
Prince A.(I call him that because I can't remember how to spell his last
name) would be perfect with his size and speed.

Dawn Reach



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike and Kel [mailto:mikelp73@peoplepc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:35 PM
To: Lynette Tillner; Duane Feldman; Don Rietsch; Baseballguy; Husker List
Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments

It is a little known fact that Tommie's real first name was Steve and he
went by his middle name of Tommie because he didn't like Steve. I only found
this out by searching Wikipedia for several days and calling his relatives
at 3 am to confirm this. I have a restraining order to prove it. Therefore
you are all right and no apologies are needed. It's kinda funny but Steve
Taylor's real first name was Tommie.

Now let's all get back to real important stuff like if ole Jeff Osborne can
get this ship righted. 

: )

Mike aka Lynette aka Basketballguy,,,etc


From dkarre at comcast.net  Thu Dec 13 18:56:52 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Thu Dec 13 18:45:07 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <6939773.1197588908096.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <6939773.1197588908096.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4761D4D4.40108@comcast.net>

Mike and Kel wrote:
  > Now let's all get back to real important stuff like if ole Jeff 
Osborne can get this ship righted.

Yeah, he has to finalize Mark Pelini's contract before he gets away.
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Thu Dec 13 20:38:10 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Thu Dec 13 20:26:18 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
Message-ID: <32638084.1197599890619.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Ahh, thank you for that post. The words wingback and Dana Brinson bring tears to my eyes. I always loved it when Kent Pavelka said we had the full backfield set. 

I'm afraid we may have to wait another couple decades before someone "discovers" this offensive scheme again.

Where the heck were you when they were looking for a head coach?

-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Rietsch <drr@livgenmi.com>
>Sent: Dec 13, 2007 7:36 PM
>To: 'Husker List' <husker@tssi.com>
>Subject: RE: [Husker] Purify comments
>
>I agree Mikenkel.  Seriously, has anyone heard any more about the status of
>the recruiting program?  I just read the December issue of Huskers
>Illustrated and they didn't paint a very rosy picture.  They mentioned a
>half dozen additional players who may defect.  We are approaching the no
>contact period; I would think there must be some news out there.
>
>I wish someone would talk BP and Co. into incorporating a wingback into
>their offense.  I always thought the wingback was the most dangerous player
>on the team.  Put a 5' 10" 185 lb. burner back/out there (ilo a H back) and
>throw/hand him the ball 4-5 times a game.  I fondly remember Dana Brinson
>streaking down the field with the defense in hot pursuit and no one fast
>enough to catch him.  I guess we do use a wide receiver in this role but
>they are receivers first and not all of them are great open field runners.
>Prince A.(I call him that because I can't remember how to spell his last
>name) would be perfect with his size and speed.
>
>Dawn Reach
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike and Kel [mailto:mikelp73@peoplepc.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:35 PM
>To: Lynette Tillner; Duane Feldman; Don Rietsch; Baseballguy; Husker List
>Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
>
>It is a little known fact that Tommie's real first name was Steve and he
>went by his middle name of Tommie because he didn't like Steve. I only found
>this out by searching Wikipedia for several days and calling his relatives
>at 3 am to confirm this. I have a restraining order to prove it. Therefore
>you are all right and no apologies are needed. It's kinda funny but Steve
>Taylor's real first name was Tommie.
>
>Now let's all get back to real important stuff like if ole Jeff Osborne can
>get this ship righted. 
>
>: )
>
>Mike aka Lynette aka Basketballguy,,,etc
>
>
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From j.harmon at tcu.edu  Thu Dec 13 20:40:34 2007
From: j.harmon at tcu.edu (Harmon, Josh)
Date: Thu Dec 13 20:29:00 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments
In-Reply-To: <4761D4D4.40108@comcast.net>
References: <6939773.1197588908096.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<4761D4D4.40108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CE1DD769FF81C643AC7FBE5262A9DDFC036806BB@FSMAILLK2A.tcu.edu>

I'll never forget these guys. 

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Dick Karre
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:57 PM
Cc: Husker List
Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments

Mike and Kel wrote:
  > Now let's all get back to real important stuff like if ole Jeff
Osborne can get this ship righted.

Yeah, he has to finalize Mark Pelini's contract before he gets away.
--
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

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From huskertt at charter.net  Thu Dec 13 21:54:00 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Thu Dec 13 21:46:55 2007
Subject: [Husker] Arkansas - UNL connection
Message-ID: <00ba01c83e04$f7370ab0$6c01a8c0@Husker>

This is a pretty good article concerning the new coach at Arkansas.  Of particular interest are the comments about Long and Osborne.

What is it with Pitt?

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/210400/

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
From ltillner at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 13 22:07:17 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Thu Dec 13 21:55:23 2007
Subject: [Husker] Purify comments  :-) 
In-Reply-To: <6939773.1197588908096.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <282722.35583.qm@web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hilarious Mike! Absolutely Hilarious! 

However, I thought it was Mike Osborne that was running the ship now?
Or, is it Bob....... Double Smiley! :-) :-) :-) 


--- Mike and Kel <mikelp73@peoplepc.com> wrote:

> It is a little known fact that Tommie's real first name was Steve
> and he went by his middle name of Tommie because he didn't like
> Steve. I only found this out by searching Wikipedia for several
> days and calling his relatives at 3 am to confirm this. I have a
> restraining order to prove it. Therefore you are all right and no
> apologies are needed. It's kinda funny but Steve Taylor's real
> first name was Tommie.
> 
> Now let's all get back to real important stuff like if ole Jeff
> Osborne can get this ship righted. 
> 
> : )
> 
> Mike aka Lynette aka Basketballguy,,,etc
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Lynette Tillner <ltillner@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Dec 13, 2007 1:32 PM
> >To: Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>, Don Rietsch
> <drr@livgenmi.com>, Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>, Husker
> List <husker@tssi.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
> >
> >
> >My comment was meant purely as a smile! I even added a smiley :-)
> at
> >the end..... 
> >
> >I never mean to offend anyone - at anytime but we are all human
> and
> >email just doesn't convey mood or facial expressions. 
> >
> >Lynette
> >
> >
> >--- Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >
> >> It's pretty obvious that humor just does not work on message
> >> boards.  What might be considered "bantering" in regular
> >> conversation is evidently met with hostilities and some pretty
> >> gruesome analogies. Don, I don't see how you can consider either
> >> Lynette's or my comments as anything close to serious.  OTOH,
> yours
> >> seems pretty critical . . . .
> >> 
> >> I understand why some have stopped posting.  I'll consider
> >> likewise.
> >> 
> >> Duane
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Don Rietsch <drr@livgenmi.com>
> >> To: Duane Feldman <dlfeldman@ameritech.net>; Lynette Tillner
> >> <ltillner@yahoo.com>; Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>;
> Husker
> >> List <husker@tssi.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:14:52 AM
> >> Subject: RE: [Husker] Purify comments
> >> 
> >> I can't believe how you' all take such enjoyment in pointing out
> >> someone's
> >> simple mistake.  You remind me of a bunch of nine year olds or
> >> better yet a
> >> bunch of chickens going after the chicken with the sore butt...
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]
> On
> >> Behalf Of
> >> Duane Feldman
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:41 AM
> >> To: Lynette Tillner; Baseballguy; Husker List
> >> Subject: Re: [Husker] Purify comments
> >> 
> >> Or perhaps he REALLY meant "Tommie Frazier."
> >> 
> >> Or not.
> >> 
> >> Duane
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Lynette Tillner ltillner@yahoo.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Could this have been a poster Senior Moment and they meant to
> say
> >> "Tommy" Frazier? (Unless "Steve" is Tommy's older brother but I
> >> don't
> >> think so...) :-)
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> husker site list
> >> husker@tssi.com
> >> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
> >> 
> >> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.
> 
> >> The
> >> problem appears to be on their end.
> >
> >
> >Lynette Tillner
> >ltillner@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >     
>
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> The problem appears to be on their end.
> 
> 
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From huskertt at charter.net  Thu Dec 13 22:04:11 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Thu Dec 13 21:57:05 2007
Subject: [Husker] KETV Video clips
Message-ID: <00c101c83e06$63428990$6c01a8c0@Husker>

There are some great video clips on this website.  I especially like the one with Ahman's new ride!

The one with the fans leaving is hard to take, though.

http://www.ketv.com/sports/14848815/detail.html

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
From ltillner at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 13 22:14:48 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Thu Dec 13 22:02:56 2007
Subject: [Husker] Jamrog back to NU
Message-ID: <824559.10858.qm@web52408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

What do you guys think about Jeff Jamrog coming back to NU as Asst
Director of Football? 

See LJS article: 

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/13/huskerextra/football/doc47609f2871196144352431.txt

GO BIG RED! 

Lynette

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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 13 22:17:21 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Thu Dec 13 22:05:25 2007
Subject: [Husker] Who's paying Pelini? 
Message-ID: <44372.10674.qm@web52408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I wonder how Pelini is getting paid by UNL if there isn't a contract
signing expected until mid-January? 

Is he still being paid by LSU? 

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/13/huskerextra/football/doc476084c5d1d6f736387915.txt

Curiousity is killing this Kitty! 

Lynette

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From george.rapp at gmail.com  Thu Dec 13 23:11:06 2007
From: george.rapp at gmail.com (George Rapp)
Date: Thu Dec 13 22:59:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] Arkansas - UNL connection
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c83e04$f7370ab0$6c01a8c0@Husker>
References: <00ba01c83e04$f7370ab0$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <f1f3dd8f0712132111u10fe1e9crd08109f8c7f09deb@mail.gmail.com>

On Dec 13, 2007 10:54 PM, Tommy Thompson <huskertt@charter.net> wrote:

> This is a pretty good article concerning the new coach at Arkansas.  Of
> particular interest are the comments about Long and Osborne.
>
> What is it with Pitt?


Better question: What is it with Petrino?   Left Louisville for Atlanta last
year, and now is headed back to the college ranks after only a partial
season with the Falcons.  That does not bode well for Hog fans who want a
long-term relationship -- the name Nick Saban comes to mind ...

George
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From CGKnox at pella.com  Fri Dec 14 09:05:38 2007
From: CGKnox at pella.com (Knox, Chuck)
Date: Fri Dec 14 08:55:15 2007
Subject: [Husker] Jamrog back to NU
In-Reply-To: <824559.10858.qm@web52408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <824559.10858.qm@web52408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C1EC26B4509844B89DC6C2D1668D4C619E172A384@PELSECCR01.ad.pella.com>

I have wondered about this myself.  The fact that he was one of the coaches retained after the 2002 season makes me think he was pretty highly regarded, but I actually don't remember much (good or bad) about his coaching or recruiting.  He was a three year letter winner -- was he a stud?  I just can't remember.  Getting old, I guess.

Chuck Knox
Pella, Iowa


-----Original Message-----
From: Lynette Tillner [mailto:ltillner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:15 PM
To: Husker
Subject: [Husker] Jamrog back to NU

What do you guys think about Jeff Jamrog coming back to NU as Asst
Director of Football?


From sklarbodds at cox.net  Fri Dec 14 09:14:24 2007
From: sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Fri Dec 14 09:04:56 2007
Subject: [personal] [Husker] Who's paying Pelini? 
In-Reply-To: <44372.10674.qm@web52408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <44372.10674.qm@web52408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <018001c83e64$036ebda0$0a4c38e0$@net>

Lynette,

To answer your question, LSU is still paying Bo as he is coaching through
the MNC game.  I assume that's why the wait is until mid-January.

--
Skylar
mailto: sklarbodds@cox.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of
> Lynette Tillner
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:17 PM
> To: Husker
> Subject: [personal] [Husker] Who's paying Pelini?
> 
> I wonder how Pelini is getting paid by UNL if there isn't a contract
> signing expected until mid-January?
> 
> Is he still being paid by LSU?
> 
>
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/13/huskerextra/football/doc47608
4c
> 5d1d6f736387915.txt
> 
> Curiousity is killing this Kitty!
> 
> Lynette
> 
> Lynette Tillner
> ltillner@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
>
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From gwfead at cox.net  Fri Dec 14 09:38:12 2007
From: gwfead at cox.net (Gary Fead)
Date: Fri Dec 14 09:27:21 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
Message-ID: <20071214103812.3HO49.84328.root@eastrmwml11>

Good Morning All:

In reply to the question about the recruiting and why we don't seem to be hearing much about it - could it be that the current staff (starting with Coach Osborne) don't pay much attention to "Rivals.com" and their rating system? And because of this the so called "Big Red Insider" Sean Callahan is now more of an "outsider" - quite honestly I hope this is the case. 

I for one would rather have the coaches recruiting "under the radar" players who will be team players and play for Nebraska and not for their ticket to the NFL. I'll be honest I don't watch NFL football and once players leave NU for the pros I don't follow them at all they end up lost on my screen unless they do something worthwhile in the community or get in trouble and then we all hear about it. 

Gary Fead
Omaha

From gobigred66 at mac.com  Fri Dec 14 09:58:35 2007
From: gobigred66 at mac.com (Rod Wellman)
Date: Fri Dec 14 09:46:47 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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I don't follow recruiting very much, as far as reading the various  
boards or subscribing to Rivals, but I AM curious as to how many of  
our "commits" are still with us, how many have defected for sure and  
how many are on the bubble. I haven't seen a real comprehensive list  
anywhere.  I know Gray and Gabbert are pretty much gone, but are  
there any others who have jumped ship for sure?  How many "spots" do  
we have open to offer other kids right now?


Rod W.
Sioux City, Ia.

On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Gary Fead wrote:

> Good Morning All:
>
> In reply to the question about the recruiting and why we don't seem  
> to be hearing much about it - could it be that the current staff  
> (starting with Coach Osborne) don't pay much attention to  
> "Rivals.com" and their rating system? And because of this the so  
> called "Big Red Insider" Sean Callahan is now more of an "outsider"  
> - quite honestly I hope this is the case.
>
> I for one would rather have the coaches recruiting "under the  
> radar" players who will be team players and play for Nebraska and  
> not for their ticket to the NFL. I'll be honest I don't watch NFL  
> football and once players leave NU for the pros I don't follow them  
> at all they end up lost on my screen unless they do something  
> worthwhile in the community or get in trouble and then we all hear  
> about it.
>
> Gary Fead
> Omaha
>
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From marklandin at gmail.com  Fri Dec 14 10:37:59 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Fri Dec 14 10:26:14 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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	<0A362AC5-42E5-4191-A98D-3B7B2A1A6E93@mac.com>
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On 12/14/07, Rod Wellman <gobigred66@mac.com> wrote:
> I don't follow recruiting very much, as far as reading the various
> boards or subscribing to Rivals, but I AM curious as to how many of
> our "commits" are still with us, how many have defected for sure and
> how many are on the bubble. I haven't seen a real comprehensive list
> anywhere.  I know Gray and Gabbert are pretty much gone, but are
> there any others who have jumped ship for sure?  How many "spots" do
> we have open to offer other kids right now?

DJ Woods, WR - WVU commit
Shaun Mohler, LB (JUCO) - CU commit

Numerous other players have indicated they are listening to offers and
taking visits to other schools, but none have de-committed that I know
of.

Of course, commitments at this time are verbal and non-binding on both
sides. Anything can, and likely will, happen between now and Signing
Day in February.

Gary asked:
>In reply to the question about the recruiting and why we don't seem to
>be hearing much about it - could it be that the current staff (starting with
>Coach Osborne) don't pay much attention to "Rivals.com" and their
>rating system?

There is a lot going on in recruiting. BP and TO spent most of the
last two weeks on the road visiting our existing commits. As for new
visits and commits, there is not a lot going on for anybody. Students
are wrapping up their seasons and semesters, a "no contact" period is
fast approaching, and those HS kids who haven't decided yet are likely
of a mind to wait until after the holidays to make a decision. I am
not sure how "ignoring" Rivals would have anything to do with
recruiting activity...

As for Rivals, I believe the vast majority of staffs do not use Rivals
or Scout as their recruiting bible. Those sites became popular due to
fans, not coaches.

I think some people have the impression Bill Callahan would say "Ted
[Gilmore], find out Rivals Top 100 list today and send each one a
scholarship offer", and accepted the first 20 or 25 that answered.
Notice that those Top 100 players are getting offers from every
football power. Whatever strategy Bill was using, it yielded roughly
the same set of players that OU and USC and Florida and LSU and Ohio
State were targetting, and we've seen that those schools have been
succesful with that caliber of athlete. Somehow Bob Stoops and Pete
Carroll and Urban Meyer are great evaulators of talent, but Bill is a
flop, even though they are chasing the same players?

I've seen others say "our players were overhyped and underdeveloped".
Well, you really can't have both. Which is it? Did we develop our
players to their fullest potential, but their potential just wasn't
that high? That's overhyped. Or did the players possess the potential
people expected them to have, but we just didn't get them to reach
that potential? That's underdeveloped. In my opinion, our players were
very undeveloped, whether that was technique, attitude, chemistry,
maturity, whatever. I firmly believe the existing returning
"overhyped" players will all of a sudden seem a lot more talented with
some solid coaching behind them.


-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From ltillner at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 14 14:48:41 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Fri Dec 14 14:36:45 2007
Subject: [Husker] KETV Video clips
In-Reply-To: <00c101c83e06$63428990$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <956329.19029.qm@web52409.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Starting at $70,000 it's what I want for Christmas! 

Love the car! 

Lynette

--- Tommy Thompson <huskertt@charter.net> wrote:

> There are some great video clips on this website.  I especially
> like the one with Ahman's new ride!
> 
> The one with the fans leaving is hard to take, though.
> 
> http://www.ketv.com/sports/14848815/detail.html
> 
> Tommy Thompson
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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Fri Dec 14 18:31:19 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Fri Dec 14 18:19:41 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <20071214103812.3HO49.84328.root@eastrmwml11>
References: <20071214103812.3HO49.84328.root@eastrmwml11>
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On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Gary Fead wrote:

> Good Morning All:
>
> In reply to the question about the recruiting and why we don't seem  
> to be hearing much about it - could it be that the current staff  
> (starting with Coach Osborne) don't pay much attention to  
> "Rivals.com" and their rating system? And because of this the so  
> called "Big Red Insider" Sean Callahan is now more of an "outsider"  
> - quite honestly I hope this is the case.

Why is that? What bugs you (and not just you, but a lot of people)  
about rivals.com and scout.com? Is it the way by which the rating  
systems are determined? Is it their undue influence?

Keep in mind that while coaches are limited by contact periods and  
numbers, Internet recruiting sites are not. They can keep interviewing  
and posting whenever they want and as many times as they want.

For that reason, you can bet that Nebraska has someone who reads those  
sites because they can be incredibly informative, even though a lot of  
information has to be taken with a grain of salt. You can't rely on  
them, but you can't entirely dismiss them either. Makes life difficult  
for those "black and white" people in a grey world.


> I for one would rather have the coaches recruiting "under the radar"  
> players who will be team players and play for Nebraska and not for  
> their ticket to the NFL. I'll be honest I don't watch NFL football  
> and once players leave NU for the pros I don't follow them at all  
> they end up lost on my screen unless they do something worthwhile in  
> the community or get in trouble and then we all hear about it.
>
> Gary Fead
> Omaha

I understand the whole concept of "play for Nebraska", but the fact is  
that Nebraska should be pursuing a lot of the highly-ranked national  
recruits as well. The best athletes are most likely going to the NFL.  
We want them, the ones that have their heads screwed on right. .

With the internet being what it is, there aren't many 'under the  
radar' guys left anywhere, and I really mean anywhere.

I don't follow recruiting like a religion, but last year I read Tom  
Leming's "Second Season" and Bruce Feldman's "Meat Market", both of  
which were incredibly informative (Feldman's book is rather terrifying  
while being wildly entertaining... Christmas IS coming). Gave me a  
different attitude about recruiting and about sites like rivals - they  
are unfortunately a necessary evil.


> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.   
> The problem appears to be on their end.


Comcast is extremely difficult to deal with when it comes to email.  
They block systems from sending mail based upon very rigid standards  
and definitions that they won't reveal and are constantly changing.  
Given that you can get a free gmail.com account and keep it regardless  
of what ISP you use, I'd recommend you do that if Comcast blocks too  
much of your email.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com


From strongtodd at msn.com  Fri Dec 14 21:02:56 2007
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Fri Dec 14 21:36:41 2007
Subject: [Husker] Arkansas - UNL connection
References: <00ba01c83e04$f7370ab0$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV10AFC3370DDA5850A8057CD600@phx.gbl>

So, I go to the link. Begin reading the article. Four small paragraphs in is 
a mention of a dogfight. I've lost interest in the writer's ability already.
What a knucklehead.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tommy Thompson" <huskertt@charter.net>
To: "Huskers List" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:54 PM
Subject: [Husker] Arkansas - UNL connection


This is a pretty good article concerning the new coach at Arkansas.  Of 
particular interest are the comments about Long and Osborne.

What is it with Pitt?

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/210400/

Tommy Thompson
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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 14 22:38:41 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Fri Dec 14 22:26:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <1BF90663-80E1-4BBF-BBC1-B9AEA9AD8E56@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <696893.54845.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My biggest problem with services like Rivals and Scout
is that some fans view them as some sort of authority
on recruiting.  Granted they probably know more than
the average fan...but do they know anywhere near as
much as the average assistant coach?

Jeff Volk, an occasional contributor to this list, had
a great post to this list about a month ago about the
relative value of these services.  For the most part,
these services are really for entertainment purposes
only.  Schools use them mainly to build excitement
with  supporters (look at this guy who signed with us,
he's Rivals #13 linebacker and a 8-star recruit by
Gwonkolinkus.com; get your tickets NOW!)

Now, do these ratings mean that one player is somehow
better than another, or that one recruiting class is
better than another class?  From my perspective, the
opinion comes from service unqualified to do so, so
you believe in the rating at your own risk.  In the
end, it's not so much the rating, but rather how the
player fits the institution.  A player may have all
the physical talent in the world, but if he doesn't
match the institution, he's not going to be valuable.

I think what Gary was implying is that Nebraska has
seen some great players come in unheralded in the past
and leave great players.  Conversely, we've seen some
highly regarded players come to Lincoln in the last
few years and not really make much of a contribution. 
Does that mean that we don't want highly regarded
players?  Not necessarily.  All this means is that we
shouldn't buy into the recruiting hype.  With a
rivals.com 5-star rating and a buck, I can get a
burger at most fast food places - mostly because the
rivals.com rating is meaningless in the end.

What I'm hoping is that the new coaching staff will do
a better job of evaluating and developing players. 
Some of them will be 5-stars, some will be 3-stars,
some will be 1-star players.  The ratings may end up
being more of a coincedence than anything in the end. 
I'm personally more interested in the final result of
how these players perform at the end of their college
careers than how they perform at the end of their high
school career...mostly because I'm not qualified to
evaluate them.



--- jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Gary Fead wrote:
> 
> > Good Morning All:
> >
> > In reply to the question about the recruiting and
> why we don't seem  
> > to be hearing much about it - could it be that the
> current staff  
> > (starting with Coach Osborne) don't pay much
> attention to  
> > "Rivals.com" and their rating system? And because
> of this the so  
> > called "Big Red Insider" Sean Callahan is now more
> of an "outsider"  
> > - quite honestly I hope this is the case.
> 
> Why is that? What bugs you (and not just you, but a
> lot of people)  
> about rivals.com and scout.com? Is it the way by
> which the rating  
> systems are determined? Is it their undue influence?
> 
> Keep in mind that while coaches are limited by
> contact periods and  
> numbers, Internet recruiting sites are not. They can
> keep interviewing  
> and posting whenever they want and as many times as
> they want.
> 
> For that reason, you can bet that Nebraska has
> someone who reads those  
> sites because they can be incredibly informative,
> even though a lot of  
> information has to be taken with a grain of salt.
> You can't rely on  
> them, but you can't entirely dismiss them either.
> Makes life difficult  
> for those "black and white" people in a grey world.
> 
> 
> > I for one would rather have the coaches recruiting
> "under the radar"  
> > players who will be team players and play for
> Nebraska and not for  
> > their ticket to the NFL. I'll be honest I don't
> watch NFL football  
> > and once players leave NU for the pros I don't
> follow them at all  
> > they end up lost on my screen unless they do
> something worthwhile in  
> > the community or get in trouble and then we all
> hear about it.
> >
> > Gary Fead
> > Omaha
> 
> I understand the whole concept of "play for
> Nebraska", but the fact is  
> that Nebraska should be pursuing a lot of the
> highly-ranked national  
> recruits as well. The best athletes are most likely
> going to the NFL.  
> We want them, the ones that have their heads screwed
> on right. .
> 
> With the internet being what it is, there aren't
> many 'under the  
> radar' guys left anywhere, and I really mean
> anywhere.
> 
> I don't follow recruiting like a religion, but last
> year I read Tom  
> Leming's "Second Season" and Bruce Feldman's "Meat
> Market", both of  
> which were incredibly informative (Feldman's book is
> rather terrifying  
> while being wildly entertaining... Christmas IS
> coming). Gave me a  
> different attitude about recruiting and about sites
> like rivals - they  
> are unfortunately a necessary evil.
> 
> 
> > Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list
> traffic recently.   
> > The problem appears to be on their end.
> 
> 
> Comcast is extremely difficult to deal with when it
> comes to email.  
> They block systems from sending mail based upon very
> rigid standards  
> and definitions that they won't reveal and are
> constantly changing.  
> Given that you can get a free gmail.com account and
> keep it regardless  
> of what ISP you use, I'd recommend you do that if
> Comcast blocks too  
> much of your email.
> 
> Jon Johnston
> http://www.cornnation.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> husker@tssi.com
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> 
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list
> traffic recently.  The problem appears to be on
> their end.
> 


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From huskertt at charter.net  Sat Dec 15 05:39:46 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Sat Dec 15 05:32:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
References: <696893.54845.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <015701c83f0f$32e90350$6c01a8c0@Husker>

Hadn't seen this posted yet.

Elkhorn standout Robinson commits to Notre Dame (from the Journal Star 
online)
http://tinyurl.com/2mtsdf

Notre Dame secures Elkhorn star lineman (from the World Herald online)
http://tinyurl.com/2k8apc

This one kind of surprises me.  I really thought that Tom Osborne would be 
able to keep all the in-state players.  Maybe this will turn out to be like 
Ahman Green, and he'll change his mind at the last minute.  Or maybe, 
Osborne and Pelini weren't that interested for some reason.  Anyone know 
anything else about him?

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED" 


From andy at knipp.com  Sat Dec 15 08:36:50 2007
From: andy at knipp.com (Andy Knipp)
Date: Sat Dec 15 08:24:54 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
In-Reply-To: <015701c83f0f$32e90350$6c01a8c0@Husker>
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	<015701c83f0f$32e90350$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <000c01c83f27$ef583930$6700a8c0@MISHAMONSTER>

That is old news IIRC, I thought he had committed to ND in September, but
maybe he was thinking of changing his mind.

  
 

Andy Knipp
TeamSite Architect
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-----Original Message-----
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Tommy Thompson
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:40 AM
To: Husker List
Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska

Hadn't seen this posted yet.

Elkhorn standout Robinson commits to Notre Dame (from the Journal Star 
online)
http://tinyurl.com/2mtsdf

Notre Dame secures Elkhorn star lineman (from the World Herald online)
http://tinyurl.com/2k8apc

This one kind of surprises me.  I really thought that Tom Osborne would be 
able to keep all the in-state players.  Maybe this will turn out to be like 
Ahman Green, and he'll change his mind at the last minute.  Or maybe, 
Osborne and Pelini weren't that interested for some reason.  Anyone know 
anything else about him?

Tommy Thompson
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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 15 09:21:59 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec 15 09:10:56 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
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Message-ID: <phkymfqifutyicrjaofa.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
 
--- Source message ---
From: "Tommy Thompson" <huskertt@charter.net>
Sent: 12/15/2007 05:48:13
Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
 
 
     This one kind of surprises me.  I really thought that Tom Osborne would
     be 
able to keep all the in-state players.  Maybe this will turn out to be like 
Ahman Green, and he'll change his mind at the last minute.  Or maybe, 
Osborne and Pelini weren't that interested for some reason.  Anyone know 
anything else about him?
 
Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED" 
 
 
 
     I think probably a couple of things are in view here.  One is not
     everyone, even in the state of Nebraska, gets wowed off their feet by Tom
     Osborne.  That and he is not the football coach.  Once things settle down
     and get into a day to day routine typically an Athletic Director doesn't
     have much contact with the athletes be it whatever sport.  Very few
     recruits are swayed one way or another by who is sitting in the AD's
     chair.  That coupled with the fact TO hasn't coached for ten years now
     and most of those 10 years were spent away from the University and the
     State as a U. S. Representative.  Considering Trent Robinson was probably
     about 7 years old the last time TO coached a game Robinson probably
     doesn't have a lot of recollection of TO coaching.  Along with the
     position that most parents do not tell their kids where they have to go
     to school will throw other teams into the mix very favorably.
 
 
Bob Beach

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 15 09:25:00 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec 15 09:14:00 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
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--- Source message ---
From: "Andy Knipp" <andy@knipp.com>
Sent: 12/15/2007 08:40:29
Subject: RE: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
 
That is old news IIRC, I thought he had committed to ND in September, but
maybe he was thinking of changing his mind.
 
  
 
 
 
 
     Could be but it was in this morning's Lincoln paper.
 
 
Bob Beach

From drr at livgenmi.com  Sat Dec 15 10:14:59 2007
From: drr at livgenmi.com (Don Rietsch)
Date: Sat Dec 15 10:02:57 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
In-Reply-To: <phkymfqifutyicrjaofa.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20071215161457.8B5071C1FD@gw.tssi.com>

I believe I read a post not too long ago that stated that this young man did
not want to go to NU, but was feeling like he was obligated to.  If that's
the case, he is better off at ND.  You can't beat ND for scholastics.

Donny Ray


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Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 10:22 AM
To: Husker List
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--- Source message ---
From: "Tommy Thompson" <huskertt@charter.net>
Sent: 12/15/2007 05:48:13
Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
 
 
     This one kind of surprises me.  I really thought that Tom Osborne would
     be 
able to keep all the in-state players.  Maybe this will turn out to be like 
Ahman Green, and he'll change his mind at the last minute.  Or maybe, 
Osborne and Pelini weren't that interested for some reason.  Anyone know 
anything else about him?
 
Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED" 
 
 
 
     I think probably a couple of things are in view here.  One is not
     everyone, even in the state of Nebraska, gets wowed off their feet by
Tom
     Osborne.  That and he is not the football coach.  Once things settle
down
     and get into a day to day routine typically an Athletic Director
doesn't
     have much contact with the athletes be it whatever sport.  Very few
     recruits are swayed one way or another by who is sitting in the AD's
     chair.  That coupled with the fact TO hasn't coached for ten years now
     and most of those 10 years were spent away from the University and the
     State as a U. S. Representative.  Considering Trent Robinson was
probably
     about 7 years old the last time TO coached a game Robinson probably
     doesn't have a lot of recollection of TO coaching.  Along with the
     position that most parents do not tell their kids where they have to go
     to school will throw other teams into the mix very favorably.
 
 
Bob Beach

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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 15 10:44:56 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec 15 10:33:55 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
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From: "Don Rietsch" <drr@livgenmi.com>
Sent: 12/15/2007 10:14:51
Subject: RE: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
 
I believe I read a post not too long ago that stated that this young man did
not want to go to NU, but was feeling like he was obligated to.  If that's
the case, he is better off at ND.  You can't beat ND for scholastics.
 
Donny Ray
 
 
 
 
 
 
      Great point.  I think many times we, including myself, forget these kids
      are drawn to certain situations based on more than just football or
      there are more important things to them than just football.  Things are
      different today than when TO recruited ten plus years ago.  NU no longer
      necessarily can go up to a recruit and claim to have the best
      facilities, strength program, weight room, training table, training
      staff, coaching staff, and etc.  NU certainly is great in all those
      areas but so are many top schools these days.  Kids no longer have to go
      to NU to "get the best of everything".  And as far as scholastics there
      are many fine institutions out there with some being better than NU.  Of
      course that is determined by what one wants to major in.  Sometimes a
      kid just feels more comfortable in a certain situation than others.  I
      would never ridicule, not saying anyone here has, a kid for his choice
      of a college.  The reasons for choosing one college over another are
      various, sundry, and personal.
 
 
Bob Beach

From HuskerzDad at InsightBB.com  Sat Dec 15 11:27:48 2007
From: HuskerzDad at InsightBB.com (Steve)
Date: Sat Dec 15 11:16:41 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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After the 94 or 95 championship, as a guest of a major corporate donor, I
attended a dinner reception in Omaha that featured Dr Tom Osborne.

Two things that I will ALWAYS remember from TO's speech.

First he started with a story about visiting patients with some players at
mental rehabilitation center.  It was a community outreach thing that the
University sponsors.  To paraphrase his opening, he noted that one of the
patients asked "Tom, Why are we here?"  Tom said that he was puzzled and
wasn't sure how to answer.  He continued his remarks and soon was
interrupted again by the same patient who insisted, "...but, Tom, *WHY* are
we here?'  Again, TO could not provide a response, and finally another
patient replied, "I believe that we are all here because we are not all
there."

Sometimes, I think we are all on this list for the same reasons.

OK... to the 2nd and more important comment from TO. 

He provided facts and data on the recruiting service ranking of the senior
class at the time; and he compared that to Miami, Florida State and Florida.
Although I do not recall the exact numbers, the Huskers were ranked
somewhere in the 30's while all of the Florida teams were in the top 10.
His point of emphasis was that the # of stars assigned by the recruiting
services did not correlate with the team's end result.  The coaching,
strength-conditioning and whatever other intangibles that yielded
year-after-year of on-field success were a result of a robust process - some
of us might call that tradition while other might say:

"Not the victory but the action.  Not the goal but the game.  In the deed
the glory."

I suspect that most everyone on the list has some Husker Big Red blood
running in their veins and deep in the unexplainable DNA lies a passionate
love for the Big Red Machine.   Don't let the antagonists run a downward
spiral around your heart.

Wishing everyone a pleasant holiday season with their family and friends;
and hoping that everyone has a peaceful new year with a bowl game
celebration to talk about this time next year (and a new president, too!)

Peace Out.

Steve G (no relation to Kenny G, or Tommie G for that matter)

Loves Park, IL
(deep behind enemy lines in big TelEveN country)



-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Mike Jaixen
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:39 PM
To: jon johnston; Gary Fead
Cc: Husker List
Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting

My biggest problem with services like Rivals and Scout
is that some fans view them as some sort of authority
on recruiting.  Granted they probably know more than
the average fan...but do they know anywhere near as
much as the average assistant coach?

Jeff Volk, an occasional contributor to this list, had
a great post to this list about a month ago about the
relative value of these services.  For the most part,
these services are really for entertainment purposes
only.  Schools use them mainly to build excitement
with  supporters (look at this guy who signed with us,
he's Rivals #13 linebacker and a 8-star recruit by
Gwonkolinkus.com; get your tickets NOW!)

Now, do these ratings mean that one player is somehow
better than another, or that one recruiting class is
better than another class?  From my perspective, the
opinion comes from service unqualified to do so, so
you believe in the rating at your own risk.  In the
end, it's not so much the rating, but rather how the
player fits the institution.  A player may have all
the physical talent in the world, but if he doesn't
match the institution, he's not going to be valuable.

I think what Gary was implying is that Nebraska has
seen some great players come in unheralded in the past
and leave great players.  Conversely, we've seen some
highly regarded players come to Lincoln in the last
few years and not really make much of a contribution. 
Does that mean that we don't want highly regarded
players?  Not necessarily.  All this means is that we
shouldn't buy into the recruiting hype.  With a
rivals.com 5-star rating and a buck, I can get a
burger at most fast food places - mostly because the
rivals.com rating is meaningless in the end.

What I'm hoping is that the new coaching staff will do
a better job of evaluating and developing players. 
Some of them will be 5-stars, some will be 3-stars,
some will be 1-star players.  The ratings may end up
being more of a coincedence than anything in the end. 
I'm personally more interested in the final result of
how these players perform at the end of their college
careers than how they perform at the end of their high
school career...mostly because I'm not qualified to
evaluate them.



--- jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Gary Fead wrote:
> 
> > Good Morning All:
> >
> > In reply to the question about the recruiting and
> why we don't seem  
> > to be hearing much about it - could it be that the
> current staff  
> > (starting with Coach Osborne) don't pay much
> attention to  
> > "Rivals.com" and their rating system? And because
> of this the so  
> > called "Big Red Insider" Sean Callahan is now more
> of an "outsider"  
> > - quite honestly I hope this is the case.
> 
> Why is that? What bugs you (and not just you, but a
> lot of people)  
> about rivals.com and scout.com? Is it the way by
> which the rating  
> systems are determined? Is it their undue influence?
> 
> Keep in mind that while coaches are limited by
> contact periods and  
> numbers, Internet recruiting sites are not. They can
> keep interviewing  
> and posting whenever they want and as many times as
> they want.
> 
> For that reason, you can bet that Nebraska has
> someone who reads those  
> sites because they can be incredibly informative,
> even though a lot of  
> information has to be taken with a grain of salt.
> You can't rely on  
> them, but you can't entirely dismiss them either.
> Makes life difficult  
> for those "black and white" people in a grey world.
> 
> 
> > I for one would rather have the coaches recruiting
> "under the radar"  
> > players who will be team players and play for
> Nebraska and not for  
> > their ticket to the NFL. I'll be honest I don't
> watch NFL football  
> > and once players leave NU for the pros I don't
> follow them at all  
> > they end up lost on my screen unless they do
> something worthwhile in  
> > the community or get in trouble and then we all
> hear about it.
> >
> > Gary Fead
> > Omaha
> 
> I understand the whole concept of "play for
> Nebraska", but the fact is  
> that Nebraska should be pursuing a lot of the
> highly-ranked national  
> recruits as well. The best athletes are most likely
> going to the NFL.  
> We want them, the ones that have their heads screwed
> on right. .
> 
> With the internet being what it is, there aren't
> many 'under the  
> radar' guys left anywhere, and I really mean
> anywhere.
> 
> I don't follow recruiting like a religion, but last
> year I read Tom  
> Leming's "Second Season" and Bruce Feldman's "Meat
> Market", both of  
> which were incredibly informative (Feldman's book is
> rather terrifying  
> while being wildly entertaining... Christmas IS
> coming). Gave me a  
> different attitude about recruiting and about sites
> like rivals - they  
> are unfortunately a necessary evil.
> 
> 
> > Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list
> traffic recently.   
> > The problem appears to be on their end.
> 
> 
> Comcast is extremely difficult to deal with when it
> comes to email.  
> They block systems from sending mail based upon very
> rigid standards  
> and definitions that they won't reveal and are
> constantly changing.  
> Given that you can get a free gmail.com account and
> keep it regardless  
> of what ISP you use, I'd recommend you do that if
> Comcast blocks too  
> much of your email.
> 
> Jon Johnston
> http://www.cornnation.com
> 
> 
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> 


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From strongtodd at msn.com  Sat Dec 15 11:57:04 2007
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Sat Dec 15 11:45:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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Lol....I'm not all here either.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <HuskerzDad@insightbb.com>
To: "'Husker List'" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: [Husker] Recruiting


> After the 94 or 95 championship, as a guest of a major corporate donor, I
> attended a dinner reception in Omaha that featured Dr Tom Osborne.
>
> Two things that I will ALWAYS remember from TO's speech.
>
> First he started with a story about visiting patients with some players at
> mental rehabilitation center.  It was a community outreach thing that the
> University sponsors.  To paraphrase his opening, he noted that one of the
> patients asked "Tom, Why are we here?"  Tom said that he was puzzled and
> wasn't sure how to answer.  He continued his remarks and soon was
> interrupted again by the same patient who insisted, "...but, Tom, *WHY* 
> are
> we here?'  Again, TO could not provide a response, and finally another
> patient replied, "I believe that we are all here because we are not all
> there."
>
> Sometimes, I think we are all on this list for the same reasons.
>
> OK... to the 2nd and more important comment from TO.
>
> He provided facts and data on the recruiting service ranking of the senior
> class at the time; and he compared that to Miami, Florida State and 
> Florida.
> Although I do not recall the exact numbers, the Huskers were ranked
> somewhere in the 30's while all of the Florida teams were in the top 10.
> His point of emphasis was that the # of stars assigned by the recruiting
> services did not correlate with the team's end result.  The coaching,
> strength-conditioning and whatever other intangibles that yielded
> year-after-year of on-field success were a result of a robust process - 
> some
> of us might call that tradition while other might say:
>
> "Not the victory but the action.  Not the goal but the game.  In the deed
> the glory."
>
> I suspect that most everyone on the list has some Husker Big Red blood
> running in their veins and deep in the unexplainable DNA lies a passionate
> love for the Big Red Machine.   Don't let the antagonists run a downward
> spiral around your heart.
>
> Wishing everyone a pleasant holiday season with their family and friends;
> and hoping that everyone has a peaceful new year with a bowl game
> celebration to talk about this time next year (and a new president, too!)
>
> Peace Out.
>
> Steve G (no relation to Kenny G, or Tommie G for that matter)
>
> Loves Park, IL
> (deep behind enemy lines in big TelEveN country)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf 
> Of
> Mike Jaixen
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:39 PM
> To: jon johnston; Gary Fead
> Cc: Husker List
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
>
> My biggest problem with services like Rivals and Scout
> is that some fans view them as some sort of authority
> on recruiting.  Granted they probably know more than
> the average fan...but do they know anywhere near as
> much as the average assistant coach?
>
> Jeff Volk, an occasional contributor to this list, had
> a great post to this list about a month ago about the
> relative value of these services.  For the most part,
> these services are really for entertainment purposes
> only.  Schools use them mainly to build excitement
> with  supporters (look at this guy who signed with us,
> he's Rivals #13 linebacker and a 8-star recruit by
> Gwonkolinkus.com; get your tickets NOW!)
>
> Now, do these ratings mean that one player is somehow
> better than another, or that one recruiting class is
> better than another class?  From my perspective, the
> opinion comes from service unqualified to do so, so
> you believe in the rating at your own risk.  In the
> end, it's not so much the rating, but rather how the
> player fits the institution.  A player may have all
> the physical talent in the world, but if he doesn't
> match the institution, he's not going to be valuable.
>
> I think what Gary was implying is that Nebraska has
> seen some great players come in unheralded in the past
> and leave great players.  Conversely, we've seen some
> highly regarded players come to Lincoln in the last
> few years and not really make much of a contribution.
> Does that mean that we don't want highly regarded
> players?  Not necessarily.  All this means is that we
> shouldn't buy into the recruiting hype.  With a
> rivals.com 5-star rating and a buck, I can get a
> burger at most fast food places - mostly because the
> rivals.com rating is meaningless in the end.
>
> What I'm hoping is that the new coaching staff will do
> a better job of evaluating and developing players.
> Some of them will be 5-stars, some will be 3-stars,
> some will be 1-star players.  The ratings may end up
> being more of a coincedence than anything in the end.
> I'm personally more interested in the final result of
> how these players perform at the end of their college
> careers than how they perform at the end of their high
> school career...mostly because I'm not qualified to
> evaluate them.
>
>
>
> --- jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Gary Fead wrote:
>>
>> > Good Morning All:
>> >
>> > In reply to the question about the recruiting and
>> why we don't seem
>> > to be hearing much about it - could it be that the
>> current staff
>> > (starting with Coach Osborne) don't pay much
>> attention to
>> > "Rivals.com" and their rating system? And because
>> of this the so
>> > called "Big Red Insider" Sean Callahan is now more
>> of an "outsider"
>> > - quite honestly I hope this is the case.
>>
>> Why is that? What bugs you (and not just you, but a
>> lot of people)
>> about rivals.com and scout.com? Is it the way by
>> which the rating
>> systems are determined? Is it their undue influence?
>>
>> Keep in mind that while coaches are limited by
>> contact periods and
>> numbers, Internet recruiting sites are not. They can
>> keep interviewing
>> and posting whenever they want and as many times as
>> they want.
>>
>> For that reason, you can bet that Nebraska has
>> someone who reads those
>> sites because they can be incredibly informative,
>> even though a lot of
>> information has to be taken with a grain of salt.
>> You can't rely on
>> them, but you can't entirely dismiss them either.
>> Makes life difficult
>> for those "black and white" people in a grey world.
>>
>>
>> > I for one would rather have the coaches recruiting
>> "under the radar"
>> > players who will be team players and play for
>> Nebraska and not for
>> > their ticket to the NFL. I'll be honest I don't
>> watch NFL football
>> > and once players leave NU for the pros I don't
>> follow them at all
>> > they end up lost on my screen unless they do
>> something worthwhile in
>> > the community or get in trouble and then we all
>> hear about it.
>> >
>> > Gary Fead
>> > Omaha
>>
>> I understand the whole concept of "play for
>> Nebraska", but the fact is
>> that Nebraska should be pursuing a lot of the
>> highly-ranked national
>> recruits as well. The best athletes are most likely
>> going to the NFL.
>> We want them, the ones that have their heads screwed
>> on right. .
>>
>> With the internet being what it is, there aren't
>> many 'under the
>> radar' guys left anywhere, and I really mean
>> anywhere.
>>
>> I don't follow recruiting like a religion, but last
>> year I read Tom
>> Leming's "Second Season" and Bruce Feldman's "Meat
>> Market", both of
>> which were incredibly informative (Feldman's book is
>> rather terrifying
>> while being wildly entertaining... Christmas IS
>> coming). Gave me a
>> different attitude about recruiting and about sites
>> like rivals - they
>> are unfortunately a necessary evil.
>>
>>
>> > Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list
>> traffic recently.
>> > The problem appears to be on their end.
>>
>>
>> Comcast is extremely difficult to deal with when it
>> comes to email.
>> They block systems from sending mail based upon very
>> rigid standards
>> and definitions that they won't reveal and are
>> constantly changing.
>> Given that you can get a free gmail.com account and
>> keep it regardless
>> of what ISP you use, I'd recommend you do that if
>> Comcast blocks too
>> much of your email.
>>
>> Jon Johnston
>> http://www.cornnation.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> husker site list
>> husker@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>>
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>> traffic recently.  The problem appears to be on
>> their end.
>>
>
>
> Mike Jaixen
> Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
>
>
>
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From pibelbc at gmail.com  Sat Dec 15 16:19:30 2007
From: pibelbc at gmail.com (Kerry Hookstra)
Date: Sat Dec 15 16:07:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] OT Win
Message-ID: <309434e20712151419i71c2c2d4t73d93cd7717ea6a6@mail.gmail.com>

Must be a blah day when the Cornhuskers take down a ranked basketball team
in overtime and nobody but an expatriate Nebraskan in Kansas makes note of
the 88-79 victory. The house was rocking and the fans were plentiful for
this one. Could be a statement win for Doc's crew. Great to get the win over
Oregon in the Big XII-PAC 10 showdown. Now they get a day off and then back
to work.

Kerry Hookstra
Downs, Kansas(where we are under 8-10 inches of snow and a bright sunny sky)
From kevinmack.redhead at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 15 06:10:26 2007
From: kevinmack.redhead at yahoo.com (Kevin Mack)
Date: Sat Dec 15 16:43:40 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
In-Reply-To: <015701c83f0f$32e90350$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <778056.23147.qm@web46013.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I bet with Notre Dame's offensive woes, he was promised immediate playing time.  Perhaps that is something that the Husker couldn't promise.  It's not like we lost this kid to K-State or Iowa State.  We lost him to Notre Dame.  They no slouch.  I wouldn't  mind sending my kids to Notre Dame, especially for free.

Kevin 

Tommy Thompson <huskertt@charter.net> wrote: Hadn't seen this posted yet.

Elkhorn standout Robinson commits to Notre Dame (from the Journal Star 
online)
http://tinyurl.com/2mtsdf

Notre Dame secures Elkhorn star lineman (from the World Herald online)
http://tinyurl.com/2k8apc

This one kind of surprises me.  I really thought that Tom Osborne would be 
able to keep all the in-state players.  Maybe this will turn out to be like 
Ahman Green, and he'll change his mind at the last minute.  Or maybe, 
Osborne and Pelini weren't that interested for some reason.  Anyone know 
anything else about him?

Tommy Thompson
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From kevinmack.redhead at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 15 16:38:16 2007
From: kevinmack.redhead at yahoo.com (Kevin Mack)
Date: Sat Dec 15 16:43:42 2007
Subject: [Husker] OT Win
In-Reply-To: <309434e20712151419i71c2c2d4t73d93cd7717ea6a6@mail.gmail.com>
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I went to the game.  It was great!  I was a little surprised that the Husker student section stormed the court, but it was a nice win.  
   
  I haven't seen this morning's paper, but I gues Coach Sadler had some uncomplitmentary things to say about Creighton fans.   I'll reserve commet until I read the story.
   
  Kevin 

Kerry Hookstra <pibelbc@gmail.com> wrote:
  Must be a blah day when the Cornhuskers take down a ranked basketball team
in overtime and nobody but an expatriate Nebraskan in Kansas makes note of
the 88-79 victory. The house was rocking and the fans were plentiful for
this one. Could be a statement win for Doc's crew. Great to get the win over
Oregon in the Big XII-PAC 10 showdown. Now they get a day off and then back
to work.

Kerry Hookstra
Downs, Kansas(where we are under 8-10 inches of snow and a bright sunny sky)
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Dec 15 16:48:24 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Dec 15 16:48:28 2007
Subject: [Husker] OT Win
Message-ID: <200712152248.lBFMmOS0030672@romaine.tssi.com>

> I went to the game.  It was great!  I was a little surprised that the Husker student section stormed the court, but it was a nice win.  

12,109 is a pretty good turnout, considering that Lincoln got 6 inches of 
snow overnight.  

I wonder if this win will get them any respect in the polls, they had ZERO 
points in the latest polls.  They're now 8-2 (as is Oregon, the #16 team
the Huskers just defeated.)
--
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From sklarbodds at cox.net  Sat Dec 15 17:25:55 2007
From: sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Sat Dec 15 17:15:02 2007
Subject: [personal] Re: [Husker] OT Win
In-Reply-To: <200712152248.lBFMmOS0030672@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200712152248.lBFMmOS0030672@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c83f71$d7accea0$87066be0$@net>

Just for the record, the game was in Omaha (you may have known that) but
Omaha got 4-5" too :)

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of
> Mike Nolan
> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 4:48 PM
> To: husker@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [personal] Re: [Husker] OT Win
> 
> > I went to the game.  It was great!  I was a little surprised that the
Husker
> student section stormed the court, but it was a nice win.
> 
> 12,109 is a pretty good turnout, considering that Lincoln got 6 inches of
> snow overnight.
> 
> I wonder if this win will get them any respect in the polls, they had ZERO
> points in the latest polls.  They're now 8-2 (as is Oregon, the #16 team
> the Huskers just defeated.)
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From jaydsaunders at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 15 17:52:59 2007
From: jaydsaunders at yahoo.com (Jay Saunders)
Date: Sat Dec 15 17:40:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] OT Win
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I love it that the fans stormed the court. That means
they have passion about the team and the game. It is a
big upset, the type we haven't seen in a long time.

Hopefully we can get to the point where beating the
#16 team in the country isn't such a big deal.

But for now I'm going to enjoy this win - and treat it
as a huge step for Doc and the team. I only wish I
could have been there to rush the floor!

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From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sat Dec 15 18:06:53 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sat Dec 15 17:54:56 2007
Subject: [Husker] OT Win
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And the other thing that has not been seen in awhile. Is the players arm in 
arm on the bench.
And the fans high fiving the coach.
Is fiving a word ? if not I made that one up.


Tony Lambert

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Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:52 PM
To: "Kevin Mack" <kevinmack.redhead@yahoo.com>; <husker@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [Husker] OT Win

> I love it that the fans stormed the court. That means
> they have passion about the team and the game. It is a
> big upset, the type we haven't seen in a long time.
>
> Hopefully we can get to the point where beating the
> #16 team in the country isn't such a big deal.
>
> But for now I'm going to enjoy this win - and treat it
> as a huge step for Doc and the team. I only wish I
> could have been there to rush the floor!
>
> Jay Saunders
> Milwaukee, WI
>
>
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Dec 15 17:55:40 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Dec 15 17:55:43 2007
Subject: [personal] Re: [Husker] OT Win
Message-ID: <200712152355.lBFNteqm030944@romaine.tssi.com>

> Just for the record, the game was in Omaha (you may have known that) but
> Omaha got 4-5" too :)

No, I didn't know that and neither does the box score on ESPN.  That 
actually makes the crowd figures a bit more impressive, because the 
students weren't there.  
--
Mike Nolan

From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Sat Dec 15 19:31:26 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Sat Dec 15 19:19:41 2007
Subject: [Husker] OT Win
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Hmmm..... I listened to it on the Internet, posted about it on my blog  
right after. I listened to Sadler's postgame stuff, I didn't hear  
anything negative.

Seems to me that Creighton fans have a huge chip on their shoulders  
and would take anything other than pure on-your-knees worship as an  
insult.

Is that an incorrect or unfair impression of them?

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:38 PM, Kevin Mack wrote:

> I went to the game.  It was great!  I was a little surprised that  
> the Husker student section stormed the court, but it was a nice win.
>
>  I haven't seen this morning's paper, but I gues Coach Sadler had  
> some uncomplitmentary things to say about Creighton fans.   I'll  
> reserve commet until I read the story.
>
>  Kevin
>
> Kerry Hookstra <pibelbc@gmail.com> wrote:
>  Must be a blah day when the Cornhuskers take down a ranked  
> basketball team
> in overtime and nobody but an expatriate Nebraskan in Kansas makes  
> note of
> the 88-79 victory. The house was rocking and the fans were plentiful  
> for
> this one. Could be a statement win for Doc's crew. Great to get the  
> win over
> Oregon in the Big XII-PAC 10 showdown. Now they get a day off and  
> then back
> to work.
>
> Kerry Hookstra
> Downs, Kansas(where we are under 8-10 inches of snow and a bright  
> sunny sky)
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From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Sat Dec 15 19:46:17 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Sat Dec 15 19:34:17 2007
Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
Message-ID: <25519518.1197769578126.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

According to KFAB last night....

This loss had alot more to do with Callahan than Osborne. He was told by the past coaching staff that if he committed they would not go after another lineman. Shortly later they signed another one. It was after that that he started being interested in ND again. 



-----Original Message-----
>From: Baseballguy <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2007 10:21 AM
>To: Husker List <husker@tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
>
> 
> 
>--- Source message ---
>From: "Tommy Thompson" <huskertt@charter.net>
>Sent: 12/15/2007 05:48:13
>Subject: [Husker] Huskers lose another recruit....this one from Nebraska
> 
> 
>     This one kind of surprises me.  I really thought that Tom Osborne would
>     be 
>able to keep all the in-state players.  Maybe this will turn out to be like 
>Ahman Green, and he'll change his mind at the last minute.  Or maybe, 
>Osborne and Pelini weren't that interested for some reason.  Anyone know 
>anything else about him?
> 
>Tommy Thompson
>"GO BIG RED" 
> 
> 
> 
>     I think probably a couple of things are in view here.  One is not
>     everyone, even in the state of Nebraska, gets wowed off their feet by Tom
>     Osborne.  That and he is not the football coach.  Once things settle down
>     and get into a day to day routine typically an Athletic Director doesn't
>     have much contact with the athletes be it whatever sport.  Very few
>     recruits are swayed one way or another by who is sitting in the AD's
>     chair.  That coupled with the fact TO hasn't coached for ten years now
>     and most of those 10 years were spent away from the University and the
>     State as a U. S. Representative.  Considering Trent Robinson was probably
>     about 7 years old the last time TO coached a game Robinson probably
>     doesn't have a lot of recollection of TO coaching.  Along with the
>     position that most parents do not tell their kids where they have to go
>     to school will throw other teams into the mix very favorably.
> 
> 
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From answerman1 at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 15 21:41:18 2007
From: answerman1 at hotmail.com (JEN_SENS)
Date: Sat Dec 15 21:29:36 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruiting
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That is partly true, however, I would remind Tom (and he knows) that without 
one of the most sought-after quarterbacks in the country in the Junior 
class, '94 and '95 wouldn't have happened. I liked Brook a lot, but Tommie 
was the man.

The point being, we like the Nebraska myth; we take a group of unheralded 
marginal athletes and build them into a national championship team. Without 
the four and five star type players on those teams, no national 
championship, regardless how good the coaching or conditioning.

Gerald

 He provided facts and data on the recruiting service ranking of the senior
 class at the time; and he compared that to Miami, Florida State and 
Florida.
> Although I do not recall the exact numbers, the Huskers were ranked
> somewhere in the 30's while all of the Florida teams were in the top 10.
> His point of emphasis was that the # of stars assigned by the recruiting
> services did not correlate with the team's end result.  The coaching,
> strength-conditioning and whatever other intangibles that yielded
> year-after-year of on-field success were a result of a robust process - 
> some
> of us might call that tradition while other might say:
>
> "Not the victory but the action.  Not the goal but the game.  In the deed
> the glory."
>
> I suspect that most everyone on the list has some Husker Big Red blood
> running in their veins and deep in the unexplainable DNA lies a passionate
> love for the Big Red Machine.   Don't let the antagonists run a downward
> spiral around your heart.
>
> Wishing everyone a pleasant holiday season with their family and friends;
> and hoping that everyone has a peaceful new year with a bowl game
> celebration to talk about this time next year (and a new president, too!)
>
> Peace Out.
>
> Steve G (no relation to Kenny G, or Tommie G for that matter)
>
> Loves Park, IL
> (deep behind enemy lines in big TelEveN country)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf 
> Of
> Mike Jaixen
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:39 PM
> To: jon johnston; Gary Fead
> Cc: Husker List
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
>
> My biggest problem with services like Rivals and Scout
> is that some fans view them as some sort of authority
> on recruiting.  Granted they probably know more than
> the average fan...but do they know anywhere near as
> much as the average assistant coach?
>
> Jeff Volk, an occasional contributor to this list, had
> a great post to this list about a month ago about the
> relative value of these services.  For the most part,
> these services are really for entertainment purposes
> only.  Schools use them mainly to build excitement
> with  supporters (look at this guy who signed with us,
> he's Rivals #13 linebacker and a 8-star recruit by
> Gwonkolinkus.com; get your tickets NOW!)
>
> Now, do these ratings mean that one player is somehow
> better than another, or that one recruiting class is
> better than another class?  From my perspective, the
> opinion comes from service unqualified to do so, so
> you believe in the rating at your own risk.  In the
> end, it's not so much the rating, but rather how the
> player fits the institution.  A player may have all
> the physical talent in the world, but if he doesn't
> match the institution, he's not going to be valuable.
>
> I think what Gary was implying is that Nebraska has
> seen some great players come in unheralded in the past
> and leave great players.  Conversely, we've seen some
> highly regarded players come to Lincoln in the last
> few years and not really make much of a contribution.
> Does that mean that we don't want highly regarded
> players?  Not necessarily.  All this means is that we
> shouldn't buy into the recruiting hype.  With a
> rivals.com 5-star rating and a buck, I can get a
> burger at most fast food places - mostly because the
> rivals.com rating is meaningless in the end.
>
> What I'm hoping is that the new coaching staff will do
> a better job of evaluating and developing players.
> Some of them will be 5-stars, some will be 3-stars,
> some will be 1-star players.  The ratings may end up
> being more of a coincedence than anything in the end.
> I'm personally more interested in the final result of
> how these players perform at the end of their college
> careers than how they perform at the end of their high
> school career...mostly because I'm not qualified to
> evaluate them.
>
>
>
> --- jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Gary Fead wrote:
>>
>> > Good Morning All:
>> >
>> > In reply to the question about the recruiting and
>> why we don't seem
>> > to be hearing much about it - could it be that the
>> current staff
>> > (starting with Coach Osborne) don't pay much
>> attention to
>> > "Rivals.com" and their rating system? And because
>> of this the so
>> > called "Big Red Insider" Sean Callahan is now more
>> of an "outsider"
>> > - quite honestly I hope this is the case.
>>
>> Why is that? What bugs you (and not just you, but a
>> lot of people)
>> about rivals.com and scout.com? Is it the way by
>> which the rating
>> systems are determined? Is it their undue influence?
>>
>> Keep in mind that while coaches are limited by
>> contact periods and
>> numbers, Internet recruiting sites are not. They can
>> keep interviewing
>> and posting whenever they want and as many times as
>> they want.
>>
>> For that reason, you can bet that Nebraska has
>> someone who reads those
>> sites because they can be incredibly informative,
>> even though a lot of
>> information has to be taken with a grain of salt.
>> You can't rely on
>> them, but you can't entirely dismiss them either.
>> Makes life difficult
>> for those "black and white" people in a grey world.
>>
>>
>> > I for one would rather have the coaches recruiting
>> "under the radar"
>> > players who will be team players and play for
>> Nebraska and not for
>> > their ticket to the NFL. I'll be honest I don't
>> watch NFL football
>> > and once players leave NU for the pros I don't
>> follow them at all
>> > they end up lost on my screen unless they do
>> something worthwhile in
>> > the community or get in trouble and then we all
>> hear about it.
>> >
>> > Gary Fead
>> > Omaha
>>
>> I understand the whole concept of "play for
>> Nebraska", but the fact is
>> that Nebraska should be pursuing a lot of the
>> highly-ranked national
>> recruits as well. The best athletes are most likely
>> going to the NFL.
>> We want them, the ones that have their heads screwed
>> on right. .
>>
>> With the internet being what it is, there aren't
>> many 'under the
>> radar' guys left anywhere, and I really mean
>> anywhere.
>>
>> I don't follow recruiting like a religion, but last
>> year I read Tom
>> Leming's "Second Season" and Bruce Feldman's "Meat
>> Market", both of
>> which were incredibly informative (Feldman's book is
>> rather terrifying
>> while being wildly entertaining... Christmas IS
>> coming). Gave me a
>> different attitude about recruiting and about sites
>> like rivals - they
>> are unfortunately a necessary evil.
>>
>>
>> > Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list
>> traffic recently.
>> > The problem appears to be on their end.
>>
>>
>> Comcast is extremely difficult to deal with when it
>> comes to email.
>> They block systems from sending mail based upon very
>> rigid standards
>> and definitions that they won't reveal and are
>> constantly changing.
>> Given that you can get a free gmail.com account and
>> keep it regardless
>> of what ISP you use, I'd recommend you do that if
>> Comcast blocks too
>> much of your email.
>>
>> Jon Johnston
>> http://www.cornnation.com
>>
>>
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From kevinmack.redhead at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 15 21:42:47 2007
From: kevinmack.redhead at yahoo.com (Kevin Mack)
Date: Sat Dec 15 21:30:47 2007
Subject: [personal] Re: [Husker] OT Win
In-Reply-To: <200712152355.lBFNteqm030944@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <513917.99753.qm@web46001.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Seriously?  You didn't know the game was in Omaha?  No offense, but aren't you the moderator of the Husker List?

I'm sorry, but is this strictly a football list?

Kevin 

PS, there were plenty of students at the game and they made a lot of noise.  However, Creighton has had bigger home crowds for every game this season compared to NU's crowd against Oregon today. 


Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote: > Just for the record, the game was in Omaha (you may have known that) but
> Omaha got 4-5" too :)

No, I didn't know that and neither does the box score on ESPN.  That 
actually makes the crowd figures a bit more impressive, because the 
students weren't there.  
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From arossman at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 15 22:33:10 2007
From: arossman at earthlink.net (Andrew Smith)
Date: Sat Dec 15 22:21:22 2007
Subject: [Husker] Brook and Tommie
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I have no idea what their recruiting service ratings were, but I 
disagree that '94 and '95 wouldn't have happened without Tommie.

Brook was an excellent QB and the team did quite well with him as the 
starting QB.  Also, it is a team sport, and as good as Tommie was, he 
wouldn't be as revered (or a national champion QB) without the great 
team that surrounded him.

Andy

JEN_SENS wrote:
> That is partly true, however, I would remind Tom (and he knows) that 
> without one of the most sought-after quarterbacks in the country in 
> the Junior class, '94 and '95 wouldn't have happened. I liked Brook a 
> lot, but Tommie was the man.
>
> The point being, we like the Nebraska myth; we take a group of 
> unheralded marginal athletes and build them into a national 
> championship team. Without the four and five star type players on 
> those teams, no national championship, regardless how good the 
> coaching or conditioning.
>
> Gerald
>
> He provided facts and data on the recruiting service ranking of the 
> senior
> class at the time; and he compared that to Miami, Florida State and 
> Florida.
>> Although I do not recall the exact numbers, the Huskers were ranked
>> somewhere in the 30's while all of the Florida teams were in the top 10.
>> His point of emphasis was that the # of stars assigned by the recruiting
>> services did not correlate with the team's end result.  The coaching,
>> strength-conditioning and whatever other intangibles that yielded
>> year-after-year of on-field success were a result of a robust process 
>> - some
>> of us might call that tradition while other might say:
>>
>> "Not the victory but the action.  Not the goal but the game.  In the 
>> deed
>> the glory."
>>
>> I suspect that most everyone on the list has some Husker Big Red blood
>> running in their veins and deep in the unexplainable DNA lies a 
>> passionate
>> love for the Big Red Machine.   Don't let the antagonists run a downward
>> spiral around your heart.
>>
>> Wishing everyone a pleasant holiday season with their family and 
>> friends;
>> and hoping that everyone has a peaceful new year with a bowl game
>> celebration to talk about this time next year (and a new president, 
>> too!)
>>
>> Peace Out.
>>
>> Steve G (no relation to Kenny G, or Tommie G for that matter)
>>
>> Loves Park, IL
>> (deep behind enemy lines in big TelEveN country)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On 
>> Behalf Of
>> Mike Jaixen
>> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:39 PM
>> To: jon johnston; Gary Fead
>> Cc: Husker List
>> Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
>>
>> My biggest problem with services like Rivals and Scout
>> is that some fans view them as some sort of authority
>> on recruiting.  Granted they probably know more than
>> the average fan...but do they know anywhere near as
>> much as the average assistant coach?
>>
>> Jeff Volk, an occasional contributor to this list, had
>> a great post to this list about a month ago about the
>> relative value of these services.  For the most part,
>> these services are really for entertainment purposes
>> only.  Schools use them mainly to build excitement
>> with  supporters (look at this guy who signed with us,
>> he's Rivals #13 linebacker and a 8-star recruit by
>> Gwonkolinkus.com; get your tickets NOW!)
>>
>> Now, do these ratings mean that one player is somehow
>> better than another, or that one recruiting class is
>> better than another class?  From my perspective, the
>> opinion comes from service unqualified to do so, so
>> you believe in the rating at your own risk.  In the
>> end, it's not so much the rating, but rather how the
>> player fits the institution.  A player may have all
>> the physical talent in the world, but if he doesn't
>> match the institution, he's not going to be valuable.
>>
>> I think what Gary was implying is that Nebraska has
>> seen some great players come in unheralded in the past
>> and leave great players.  Conversely, we've seen some
>> highly regarded players come to Lincoln in the last
>> few years and not really make much of a contribution.
>> Does that mean that we don't want highly regarded
>> players?  Not necessarily.  All this means is that we
>> shouldn't buy into the recruiting hype.  With a
>> rivals.com 5-star rating and a buck, I can get a
>> burger at most fast food places - mostly because the
>> rivals.com rating is meaningless in the end.
>>
>> What I'm hoping is that the new coaching staff will do
>> a better job of evaluating and developing players.
>> Some of them will be 5-stars, some will be 3-stars,
>> some will be 1-star players.  The ratings may end up
>> being more of a coincedence than anything in the end.
>> I'm personally more interested in the final result of
>> how these players perform at the end of their college
>> careers than how they perform at the end of their high
>> school career...mostly because I'm not qualified to
>> evaluate them.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Gary Fead wrote:
>>>
>>> > Good Morning All:
>>> >
>>> > In reply to the question about the recruiting and
>>> why we don't seem
>>> > to be hearing much about it - could it be that the
>>> current staff
>>> > (starting with Coach Osborne) don't pay much
>>> attention to
>>> > "Rivals.com" and their rating system? And because
>>> of this the so
>>> > called "Big Red Insider" Sean Callahan is now more
>>> of an "outsider"
>>> > - quite honestly I hope this is the case.
>>>
>>> Why is that? What bugs you (and not just you, but a
>>> lot of people)
>>> about rivals.com and scout.com? Is it the way by
>>> which the rating
>>> systems are determined? Is it their undue influence?
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that while coaches are limited by
>>> contact periods and
>>> numbers, Internet recruiting sites are not. They can
>>> keep interviewing
>>> and posting whenever they want and as many times as
>>> they want.
>>>
>>> For that reason, you can bet that Nebraska has
>>> someone who reads those
>>> sites because they can be incredibly informative,
>>> even though a lot of
>>> information has to be taken with a grain of salt.
>>> You can't rely on
>>> them, but you can't entirely dismiss them either.
>>> Makes life difficult
>>> for those "black and white" people in a grey world.
>>>
>>>
>>> > I for one would rather have the coaches recruiting
>>> "under the radar"
>>> > players who will be team players and play for
>>> Nebraska and not for
>>> > their ticket to the NFL. I'll be honest I don't
>>> watch NFL football
>>> > and once players leave NU for the pros I don't
>>> follow them at all
>>> > they end up lost on my screen unless they do
>>> something worthwhile in
>>> > the community or get in trouble and then we all
>>> hear about it.
>>> >
>>> > Gary Fead
>>> > Omaha
>>>
>>> I understand the whole concept of "play for
>>> Nebraska", but the fact is
>>> that Nebraska should be pursuing a lot of the
>>> highly-ranked national
>>> recruits as well. The best athletes are most likely
>>> going to the NFL.
>>> We want them, the ones that have their heads screwed
>>> on right. .
>>>
>>> With the internet being what it is, there aren't
>>> many 'under the
>>> radar' guys left anywhere, and I really mean
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> I don't follow recruiting like a religion, but last
>>> year I read Tom
>>> Leming's "Second Season" and Bruce Feldman's "Meat
>>> Market", both of
>>> which were incredibly informative (Feldman's book is
>>> rather terrifying
>>> while being wildly entertaining... Christmas IS
>>> coming). Gave me a
>>> different attitude about recruiting and about sites
>>> like rivals - they
>>> are unfortunately a necessary evil.
>>>
>>>
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>>> traffic recently.
>>> > The problem appears to be on their end.
>>>
>>>
>>> Comcast is extremely difficult to deal with when it
>>> comes to email.
>>> They block systems from sending mail based upon very
>>> rigid standards
>>> and definitions that they won't reveal and are
>>> constantly changing.
>>> Given that you can get a free gmail.com account and
>>> keep it regardless
>>> of what ISP you use, I'd recommend you do that if
>>> Comcast blocks too
>>> much of your email.
>>>
>>> Jon Johnston
>>> http://www.cornnation.com
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From HuskerzDad at InsightBB.com  Sun Dec 16 09:26:42 2007
From: HuskerzDad at InsightBB.com (Steve)
Date: Sun Dec 16 09:15:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] OT Win
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Dear All,

Having chips on shoulders and the requirement for over-the-top worship may
be reserved for a few fans of any sport; whether pro, college, high school
or pre-elementary t-ball.   

I seriously doubt that the overwhelming fan base is as poorly misguided as
any and all negative conjectures can portray.  Conversely, the same applies
to all angelic claims of sportsmanship where the positive pictures are
painted.

I've seen some pretty cocky fans strutting like a stray dog after a midnight
stroll through the alley.  I have been embarrassed by the pre-game, in-game
and post-game behavior of several jacked-up fans during events at Civic
Auditorium; as well as Memorial Stadium in Lincoln.  

Sometimes, a few folks say some stupid things.  C'mon, have you not ever
been drunk?  An individual, or small population of individuals, ought not to
have the ability to sway an unfair impression of a higher population.   

In summary, if my humble opinion is weighted, I would dismiss all charges
against the "Creighton fans" as petty and without merit.  Can we please
reserve our fan-bashing to European soccer?

Steve G

Husker-bred, 1964
FB Season Ticket Holder since 1990

Creighton University, MBA, 1996

Loves Park, IL
(deep behind enemy lines in big TelEveN country)



-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of jon johnston
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:31 PM
To: Kevin Mack
Cc: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] OT Win

Hmmm..... I listened to it on the Internet, posted about it on my blog  
right after. I listened to Sadler's postgame stuff, I didn't hear  
anything negative.

Seems to me that Creighton fans have a huge chip on their shoulders  
and would take anything other than pure on-your-knees worship as an  
insult.

Is that an incorrect or unfair impression of them?

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:38 PM, Kevin Mack wrote:

> I went to the game.  It was great!  I was a little surprised that  
> the Husker student section stormed the court, but it was a nice win.
>
>  I haven't seen this morning's paper, but I gues Coach Sadler had  
> some uncomplitmentary things to say about Creighton fans.   I'll  
> reserve commet until I read the story.
>
>  Kevin
>
> Kerry Hookstra <pibelbc@gmail.com> wrote:
>  Must be a blah day when the Cornhuskers take down a ranked  
> basketball team
> in overtime and nobody but an expatriate Nebraskan in Kansas makes  
> note of
> the 88-79 victory. The house was rocking and the fans were plentiful  
> for
> this one. Could be a statement win for Doc's crew. Great to get the  
> win over
> Oregon in the Big XII-PAC 10 showdown. Now they get a day off and  
> then back
> to work.
>
> Kerry Hookstra
> Downs, Kansas(where we are under 8-10 inches of snow and a bright  
> sunny sky)
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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec 16 10:52:54 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sun Dec 16 10:41:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] OT Win
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--- Source message ---
From: "Steve" <HuskerzDad@insightbb.com>
Sent: 12/16/2007 09:30:40
Subject: RE: [Husker] OT Win
 
 
 
In summary, if my humble opinion is weighted, I would dismiss all charges
against the "Creighton fans" as petty and without merit.  Can we please
reserve our fan-bashing to European soccer?
 
Steve G
 
 
 
 
 
    The problem is there is really no way to rate fans.  Fans are nothing more
    than a group of people that support a given team if one is talking sports.
    You take any cross section of people, fans or otherwise, and you have good
    people, bad people, and people that are in between that will sometimes do
    good things and sometimes do bad things.  I have seen posts here that rip
    Colorado fans and other fans.  My best guess is Colorado has its good fans
    as well as those aren't.  If I had to guess the ones that get Colorado
    it's "bad fans" reputation are probably students.  I know for a fact ALL
    NU fans are not exemplary people nor are ALL NU fans bad people.  The
    greater cross section are somewhere in between.  I a lot of times see MLB
    players when being honored say at the end of their career or something
    will address the home fans as "the greatest fans in MLB".  That comes
    across as a nice gesture but it is certainly something that cannot be
    proven.  There point is there is no way after seeing a group of fans do
    something good or bad one can say "that represents what fans of team X are
    all about".
 
 
Bob Beach

From scott71lawson at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 16 18:58:01 2007
From: scott71lawson at yahoo.com (Scott Lawson)
Date: Sun Dec 16 18:45:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] Brook and Tommie
In-Reply-To: <4764AA86.2070208@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <988787.3772.qm@web45111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I'm not sure an argument like this could ever be settled, but it's tough to discount the skills of a quarterback who is generally considered one of, if not the top quarterbacks ever to play at the college level (Frazier). Any time you take away someone with that label, it seems like it would be tough to do any better.

Scott in NY

Andrew Smith <arossman@earthlink.net> wrote: I have no idea what their recruiting service ratings were, but I 
disagree that '94 and '95 wouldn't have happened without Tommie.

Brook was an excellent QB and the team did quite well with him as the 
starting QB.  Also, it is a team sport, and as good as Tommie was, he 
wouldn't be as revered (or a national champion QB) without the great 
team that surrounded him.

Andy

JEN_SENS wrote:
> That is partly true, however, I would remind Tom (and he knows) that 
> without one of the most sought-after quarterbacks in the country in 
> the Junior class, '94 and '95 wouldn't have happened. I liked Brook a 
> lot, but Tommie was the man.
>
> The point being, we like the Nebraska myth; we take a group of 
> unheralded marginal athletes and build them into a national 
> championship team. Without the four and five star type players on 
> those teams, no national championship, regardless how good the 
> coaching or conditioning.
>
> Gerald
>
> He provided facts and data on the recruiting service ranking of the 
> senior
> class at the time; and he compared that to Miami, Florida State and 
> Florida.
>> Although I do not recall the exact numbers, the Huskers were ranked
>> somewhere in the 30's while all of the Florida teams were in the top 10.
>> His point of emphasis was that the # of stars assigned by the recruiting
>> services did not correlate with the team's end result.  The coaching,
>> strength-conditioning and whatever other intangibles that yielded
>> year-after-year of on-field success were a result of a robust process 
>> - some
>> of us might call that tradition while other might say:
>>
>> "Not the victory but the action.  Not the goal but the game.  In the 
>> deed
>> the glory."
>>
>> I suspect that most everyone on the list has some Husker Big Red blood
>> running in their veins and deep in the unexplainable DNA lies a 
>> passionate
>> love for the Big Red Machine.   Don't let the antagonists run a downward
>> spiral around your heart.
>>
>> Wishing everyone a pleasant holiday season with their family and 
>> friends;
>> and hoping that everyone has a peaceful new year with a bowl game
>> celebration to talk about this time next year (and a new president, 
>> too!)
>>
>> Peace Out.
>>
>> Steve G (no relation to Kenny G, or Tommie G for that matter)
>>
>> Loves Park, IL
>> (deep behind enemy lines in big TelEveN country)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On 
>> Behalf Of
>> Mike Jaixen
>> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:39 PM
>> To: jon johnston; Gary Fead
>> Cc: Husker List
>> Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruiting
>>
>> My biggest problem with services like Rivals and Scout
>> is that some fans view them as some sort of authority
>> on recruiting.  Granted they probably know more than
>> the average fan...but do they know anywhere near as
>> much as the average assistant coach?
>>
>> Jeff Volk, an occasional contributor to this list, had
>> a great post to this list about a month ago about the
>> relative value of these services.  For the most part,
>> these services are really for entertainment purposes
>> only.  Schools use them mainly to build excitement
>> with  supporters (look at this guy who signed with us,
>> he's Rivals #13 linebacker and a 8-star recruit by
>> Gwonkolinkus.com; get your tickets NOW!)
>>
>> Now, do these ratings mean that one player is somehow
>> better than another, or that one recruiting class is
>> better than another class?  From my perspective, the
>> opinion comes from service unqualified to do so, so
>> you believe in the rating at your own risk.  In the
>> end, it's not so much the rating, but rather how the
>> player fits the institution.  A player may have all
>> the physical talent in the world, but if he doesn't
>> match the institution, he's not going to be valuable.
>>
>> I think what Gary was implying is that Nebraska has
>> seen some great players come in unheralded in the past
>> and leave great players.  Conversely, we've seen some
>> highly regarded players come to Lincoln in the last
>> few years and not really make much of a contribution.
>> Does that mean that we don't want highly regarded
>> players?  Not necessarily.  All this means is that we
>> shouldn't buy into the recruiting hype.  With a
>> rivals.com 5-star rating and a buck, I can get a
>> burger at most fast food places - mostly because the
>> rivals.com rating is meaningless in the end.
>>
>> What I'm hoping is that the new coaching staff will do
>> a better job of evaluating and developing players.
>> Some of them will be 5-stars, some will be 3-stars,
>> some will be 1-star players.  The ratings may end up
>> being more of a coincedence than anything in the end.
>> I'm personally more interested in the final result of
>> how these players perform at the end of their college
>> careers than how they perform at the end of their high
>> school career...mostly because I'm not qualified to
>> evaluate them.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- jon johnston  wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Gary Fead wrote:
>>>
>>> > Good Morning All:
>>> >
>>> > In reply to the question about the recruiting and
>>> why we don't seem
>>> > to be hearing much about it - could it be that the
>>> current staff
>>> > (starting with Coach Osborne) don't pay much
>>> attention to
>>> > "Rivals.com" and their rating system? And because
>>> of this the so
>>> > called "Big Red Insider" Sean Callahan is now more
>>> of an "outsider"
>>> > - quite honestly I hope this is the case.
>>>
>>> Why is that? What bugs you (and not just you, but a
>>> lot of people)
>>> about rivals.com and scout.com? Is it the way by
>>> which the rating
>>> systems are determined? Is it their undue influence?
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that while coaches are limited by
>>> contact periods and
>>> numbers, Internet recruiting sites are not. They can
>>> keep interviewing
>>> and posting whenever they want and as many times as
>>> they want.
>>>
>>> For that reason, you can bet that Nebraska has
>>> someone who reads those
>>> sites because they can be incredibly informative,
>>> even though a lot of
>>> information has to be taken with a grain of salt.
>>> You can't rely on
>>> them, but you can't entirely dismiss them either.
>>> Makes life difficult
>>> for those "black and white" people in a grey world.
>>>
>>>
>>> > I for one would rather have the coaches recruiting
>>> "under the radar"
>>> > players who will be team players and play for
>>> Nebraska and not for
>>> > their ticket to the NFL. I'll be honest I don't
>>> watch NFL football
>>> > and once players leave NU for the pros I don't
>>> follow them at all
>>> > they end up lost on my screen unless they do
>>> something worthwhile in
>>> > the community or get in trouble and then we all
>>> hear about it.
>>> >
>>> > Gary Fead
>>> > Omaha
>>>
>>> I understand the whole concept of "play for
>>> Nebraska", but the fact is
>>> that Nebraska should be pursuing a lot of the
>>> highly-ranked national
>>> recruits as well. The best athletes are most likely
>>> going to the NFL.
>>> We want them, the ones that have their heads screwed
>>> on right. .
>>>
>>> With the internet being what it is, there aren't
>>> many 'under the
>>> radar' guys left anywhere, and I really mean
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> I don't follow recruiting like a religion, but last
>>> year I read Tom
>>> Leming's "Second Season" and Bruce Feldman's "Meat
>>> Market", both of
>>> which were incredibly informative (Feldman's book is
>>> rather terrifying
>>> while being wildly entertaining... Christmas IS
>>> coming). Gave me a
>>> different attitude about recruiting and about sites
>>> like rivals - they
>>> are unfortunately a necessary evil.
>>>
>>>
>>> > Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list
>>> traffic recently.
>>> > The problem appears to be on their end.
>>>
>>>
>>> Comcast is extremely difficult to deal with when it
>>> comes to email.
>>> They block systems from sending mail based upon very
>>> rigid standards
>>> and definitions that they won't reveal and are
>>> constantly changing.
>>> Given that you can get a free gmail.com account and
>>> keep it regardless
>>> of what ISP you use, I'd recommend you do that if
>>> Comcast blocks too
>>> much of your email.
>>>
>>> Jon Johnston
>>> http://www.cornnation.com
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Sun Dec 16 21:30:46 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sun Dec 16 21:18:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] Brook and Tommie
In-Reply-To: <988787.3772.qm@web45111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <988787.3772.qm@web45111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4765ED66.3050409@comcast.net>

Scott Lawson wrote:
> I'm not sure an argument like this could ever be settled, but it's tough to discount the skills of a quarterback who is generally considered one of, if not the top quarterbacks ever to play at the college level (Frazier). Any time you take away someone with that label, it seems like it would be tough to do any better.

Undoubtedly true. But would NU have won the MNC in 1994 and '95 without 
Tommie? In fact, with one big exception, they won it in '94 pretty much 
without him. The exception, of course, was the OB win over Miami. Could 
Brook have led them to a win in that game? Close question. The 1995 team 
was so far superior to the field that I don't think it would have 
mattered. Nonetheless, I'm certainly happy this is only a hypothetical 
question.

-- 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Dec 16 22:23:40 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Dec 16 22:23:43 2007
Subject: [personal] Re: [Husker] OT Win (fwd)
Message-ID: <200712170423.lBH4NeGb011454@romaine.tssi.com>

> Seriously?  You didn't know the game was in Omaha?  No offense, but aren't you the moderator of the Husker List?

And that makes me both omniscient and infallible?  Nice to know.

> I'm sorry, but is this strictly a football list?

Nope, never has been.
--
Mike Nolan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Dec 16 22:29:34 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Dec 16 22:29:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] Vote for Husker Cheerleader Anne Marie Rye
Message-ID: <200712170429.lBH4TYRG011495@romaine.tssi.com>

I received this note from a friend earlier today.  I think you can get
more details on this from huskers.com.


> Nebraska cheerleader Anne Marie Rye will represent the Huskers and the
> Big 12 Conference in the final round of this year's Athlon Sports
> Sideline Spirit contest. Voting for the final round begins on Saturday,
> Dec. 1 at midnight and will run through 11:59 p.m. on Friday, Dec. 21.
> No registration is necessary to vote and there is no limit to the number
> of times a person can vote.
--
Mike Nolan

From Gregg.Pitkin at fmr.com  Mon Dec 17 10:27:29 2007
From: Gregg.Pitkin at fmr.com (Pitkin, Gregg)
Date: Mon Dec 17 10:16:45 2007
Subject: [Husker] NY Jets use the option yesterday and one NE linebacker
	remembered where it thrived....
Message-ID: <D7AA055DBEBE5D45A6AA88555662B3DD0A33857A@MSGDALCLL2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM>


Adalius Thomas Quote from the Boston Globe after the Pats Jets game.
It was a bit bizarre to watch the option plays from an NFL team, but
brought back good memories.....

"After Clemens was knocked out, the Jets introduced a package in which
receiver Brad Smith played quarterback and executed a run-based option
package.
The option is seldom seen in the NFL, but the Jets felt that playing
horizontally and making the Patriots' linebackers move laterally could
open seams to exploit. So they sprinkled it in, having Smith replace
Chad Pennington from time to time.
"It kind of took you back to college, when Nebraska used to run option
quarterbacks," said Thomas, who looked as comfortable as he has all
season at outside linebacker in the 3-4 alignment. 

Complete article:

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/12/17/it_wa
s_just_like_old_times/

Gregg in TX
From Wayne.Schammel at bp.com  Mon Dec 17 11:23:00 2007
From: Wayne.Schammel at bp.com (Schammel, Wayne P)
Date: Mon Dec 17 11:11:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] Rating fans
In-Reply-To: <200712171000.lBHA0Ovp011947@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <05F7D0B261C7F24BBD5D9DFD2A96E0F60265094D@BP1XEUEX706-C.bp1.ad.bp.com>

 

>>>The problem is there is really no way to rate fans.  Fans are nothing
more
>>> than a group of people that support a given team if one is talking
sports.
>>> You take any cross section of people, fans or otherwise, and you
have good
>>> people, bad people, and people that are in between that will
sometimes do
>>> good things and sometimes do bad things.  
 
 
>>>Bob Beach


Amen, Bob!  I agree wholeheartedly.  I haven't been to too many Nebraska
games since I live in the Chicago area but I did attend the Rose Bowl
which, we can painfully recall, was a rout by Miami over the Huskers.
Based on my experiences that day and in the days preceding, I would have
concluded that Miami fans were all "class acts" because every one of
them I met (maybe a dozen that I talked to) were gracious and this flew
in the face of everything I had ever heard about them.  In fact, the
only obnoxious fans I encountered were some younger Nebraska fans who
were hammered and in-your-face belligerent and I had the privilege of
sitting behind them.  I have never been in a fist fight in my life but
this was the closest to being in one.  

The conclusions we draw can vary depending on the sample of our
experiences and what we have heard from others.  Generalizing about any
group is dangerous at best.  Based on my limited experiences during that
week would have led me to the conclusion that Miami fans were better
than Nebraska fans.  Certainly, we had a lot more fans there and perhaps
the only Miami fans that made the trip were the true fans and the
"thugs" didn't make the trip.

Wayne
Class of 71



From gscratch1 at comcast.net  Mon Dec 17 11:54:36 2007
From: gscratch1 at comcast.net (gscratch1@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Dec 17 11:42:32 2007
Subject: [Husker] fwiw, in Newark
Message-ID: <121720071754.15058.4766B7DB000E89F600003AD22200734364080C9B0E9D0C9C09@comcast.net>

>Must be a blah day when the Cornhuskers take down a ranked basketball team
>in overtime and nobody but an expatriate Nebraskan in Kansas makes note 

fwiw, this story was the lead in the "college sports" section of the Newark (NJ) Star-Ledger.  That Rutgers and SetonHall weren't doing anything, helped, too.

Glen in NJ
From weldoc at juno.com  Mon Dec 17 13:09:41 2007
From: weldoc at juno.com (weldoc@juno.com)
Date: Mon Dec 17 13:01:48 2007
Subject: [Husker] rating fans
Message-ID: <20071217.131058.-1320589.1.weldoc@juno.com>

The problem is there is really no way to rate fans...You take any cross
section of people, fans or otherwise, and you have good
people, bad people, and people that are in between that will sometimes do
good things and sometimes do bad things.  I have seen posts here that rip
Colorado fans and other fans.  My best guess is Colorado has its good
fans as well as those aren't.  
If I had to guess the ones that get Colorado its "bad fans" reputation
are probably students.  I know for a fact ALL NU fans are not exemplary
people nor are ALL NU fans bad people...There point is there is no way
after seeing a group of fans do something good or bad one can say "that
represents what fans of team X areall about". -- Bob Beach
____________________

Bob, your points are well-taken, but on a List like this I don't think
you are going to find a way satisfactory to all to go beyond "subjective
experiences." Isn't that really what we are trying to convey, anyway ?

I have had BAD subjective experiences at several CU games, compared to
good ones at nearly all other stadia I have visited in Big 12 (Norman,
Stillwater, Lawrence, to name a few.) I have attended many NU basketball
games at Devaney but never
experienced the kind of noise, loud epithets and general chaos that I did
at Allen Fieldhouse in Lawrence. Maybe some of it can be attributed to
passion-level of the fans.

I am going to have to disagree with you forever that NU fans aren't, in
general, more than a little special. I have always been impressed with
their overall level of respect for the opposing team. (Note: I did NOT
attend any home football games this year to experience firsthand the
vocal disatisfaction with the SP / BC regime and team.)

Bill Laughlin
Wichita, KS

From dkarre at comcast.net  Mon Dec 17 15:10:01 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Mon Dec 17 14:58:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] The Staff
Message-ID: <4766E5A9.8060302@comcast.net>

Bo Pelini has completed the hiring of his assistants and has announced 
eight of the nine. Shawn Watson, OC/QB; Barney Cotton, Associate Head 
Coach and OL; Ron Brown TE; Ted Gilmore Assistant HC, receivers, 
Recruiting Coordinator; Carl Pelini DC/DL; Mike Ekeler LB; John Papuchis 
DE; Marvin Sanders secondary. The RB coach has been hired, but will not 
be announced until his current team plays its bowl game.
http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=1353332
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From marklandin at gmail.com  Mon Dec 17 16:25:39 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Mon Dec 17 16:13:36 2007
Subject: [Husker] The Staff
In-Reply-To: <4766E5A9.8060302@comcast.net>
References: <4766E5A9.8060302@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16ee270e0712171425u194b6778kba192e9e81a5fae3@mail.gmail.com>

Who is ST coach?

On 12/17/07, Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote:
> Bo Pelini has completed the hiring of his assistants and has announced
> eight of the nine. Shawn Watson, OC/QB; Barney Cotton, Associate Head
> Coach and OL; Ron Brown TE; Ted Gilmore Assistant HC, receivers,
> Recruiting Coordinator; Carl Pelini DC/DL; Mike Ekeler LB; John Papuchis
> DE; Marvin Sanders secondary. The RB coach has been hired, but will not
> be announced until his current team plays its bowl game.
> http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=1353332
> --
> Dick Karre
> dkarre@comcast.net
>
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>


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would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From jschlechte at usfamily.net  Mon Dec 17 16:37:22 2007
From: jschlechte at usfamily.net (jschlechte@usfamily.net)
Date: Mon Dec 17 16:25:23 2007
Subject: [Husker] The Staff
In-Reply-To: <16ee270e0712171425u194b6778kba192e9e81a5fae3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4766E5A9.8060302@comcast.net>
	<16ee270e0712171425u194b6778kba192e9e81a5fae3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071217163723.bhj9odzogk8wowos@webmail.usfamily.net>


> Who is ST coach?
>
What's ST?  Strength?  If so, that has never been a "coaching" position.  It's
part of the athletic department staff.

GBR,

- jay



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From jschlechte at usfamily.net  Mon Dec 17 16:38:26 2007
From: jschlechte at usfamily.net (jschlechte@usfamily.net)
Date: Mon Dec 17 16:26:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] The Staff
In-Reply-To: <16ee270e0712171425u194b6778kba192e9e81a5fae3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4766E5A9.8060302@comcast.net>
	<16ee270e0712171425u194b6778kba192e9e81a5fae3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071217163827.gq0n2696e8o4g8k0@webmail.usfamily.net>



> Who is ST coach?

Aha, special teams.  Maybe that's Pelini.  :)

GBR,

- jay



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From dkarre at comcast.net  Mon Dec 17 16:59:25 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Mon Dec 17 16:47:22 2007
Subject: [Husker] The Staff
In-Reply-To: <16ee270e0712171425u194b6778kba192e9e81a5fae3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4766E5A9.8060302@comcast.net>
	<16ee270e0712171425u194b6778kba192e9e81a5fae3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4766FF4D.2040001@comcast.net>

Mark Landin wrote:
> Who is ST coach?

The article doesn't say.

-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From dopc67 at comcast.net  Mon Dec 17 17:03:47 2007
From: dopc67 at comcast.net (STUART JONES)
Date: Mon Dec 17 19:48:10 2007
Subject: [Husker] rating fans
Message-ID: <000001c84101$15e45f40$0400a8c0@StuDesktop>

Two somewhat objective measures of NU fandom are 1) the sellout streak and
2) the willingness to stuff the ballot box in ESPN polls for the 1971 and
1995 teams and more recently for Oz vs. the Bear. Even if those poll results
are totally valid, I doubt they would have happened without our loyal
voters. Visiting coaches and TV commentators rate NU fans at the top. I
personally think the 25 years of the way Oz did things helped mold some of
the attitudes of fans for the better and that there is some lingering good
result. Perhaps some other schools applaud for the opponent when they leave
the field. I have not heard which other schools these might be and would be
interested in knowing. It would be a welcome thing to believe NU was not
alone in this even if some might think it diminishes our uniqueness. I would
consider it a kinship thing. But which schools might those be?
~Stuart Jones


From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Mon Dec 17 21:49:02 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Mon Dec 17 21:37:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] rating fans
In-Reply-To: <20071217.131058.-1320589.1.weldoc@juno.com>
References: <20071217.131058.-1320589.1.weldoc@juno.com>
Message-ID: <njochcgnexdvgpaeocvl.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
 
--- Source message ---
From: weldoc@juno.com
Sent: 12/17/2007 13:18:16
Subject: [Husker] rating fans
 
 
I am going to have to disagree with you forever that NU fans aren't, in
general, more than a little special. I have always been impressed with
their overall level of respect for the opposing team. (Note: I did NOT
attend any home football games this year to experience firsthand the
vocal disatisfaction with the SP / BC regime and team.)
 
Bill Laughlin
Wichita, KS
 
 
 
 
 
    I have said more times than I can imagine that Nebraska fans impress as
    far as treatment of the opposition and following the team.  Beyond that I
    don't see a lot of difference between them and any other fans in general. 
    I do think the latest coaching regime revealed a certain ugliness with NU
    fans.  But that really wasn't what my post was about.  I was merely taking
    fans in general and pointing out that rating fans is really an impossible
    job.  There is no leadership saying fans have to act this way or that way.
    Fans are just a group of people that support a certain team.  In that
    group are all kinds of people.  I really wasn't even trying to speak
    specifically to NU fans.
 
 
Bob Beach

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Dec 17 21:53:32 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Dec 17 21:53:35 2007
Subject: [Husker] rating fans (fwd)
Message-ID: <200712180353.lBI3rW1H014378@romaine.tssi.com>

I do believe the battle lines have been drawn on this 'discussion', and it
is time to move on to something else.
--
Mike Nolan, List Manager

From dkarre at comcast.net  Mon Dec 17 22:59:04 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Mon Dec 17 22:47:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] rating fans
In-Reply-To: <000001c84101$15e45f40$0400a8c0@StuDesktop>
References: <000001c84101$15e45f40$0400a8c0@StuDesktop>
Message-ID: <47675398.4010806@comcast.net>

STUART JONES wrote:
Perhaps some other schools applaud for the opponent when they leave
the field.

I have never seen that particular phenomenon anywhere outside of 
Lincoln, but I experienced something similar at both bowl games against 
Tennessee. After those games a number of Vol fans went out of their way 
to congratulate me and shake my hand, even though I contributed little 
to NU's victory on either occasion. I've always thought that was very 
sporting of them.
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From dkarre at comcast.net  Mon Dec 17 23:01:05 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Mon Dec 17 22:49:04 2007
Subject: [Husker] RB Coach
Message-ID: <47675411.5070207@comcast.net>

Has anyone picked up any intel as to whom the new RB coach will be? I 
find it hard to believe nothing has leaked, but I haven't heard even a 
whiff of a rumor.
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 18 00:02:14 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Mon Dec 17 23:50:03 2007
Subject: [Husker] RB Coach
In-Reply-To: <47675411.5070207@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <178990.13268.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

The OWH had an article yesterday and it list Shawn Sims as one of the coaches (the other post didn't) and I guess I just assumed (yeah yeah I know) he was the RB coach. 





Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote: Has anyone picked up any intel as to whom the new RB coach will be? I 
find it hard to believe nothing has leaked, but I haven't heard even a 
whiff of a rumor.
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

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From python3955 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 18 00:44:37 2007
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Tue Dec 18 00:32:53 2007
Subject: Fw: [Husker] RB Coach
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV160FDA0535F596CBE58B61D1630@phx.gbl>

>From the bottom of the article at:
http://tinyurl.com/yuoqws

"Speculation that Shawn Simms will be Nebraska's new running backs coach is 
inaccurate, according to Pelini.

Pelini said on Sunday that he will name the coach after the bowl season 
because that coach's team is involved in a bowl game."


Monty


> The OWH had an article yesterday and it list Shawn Sims as one of the 
> coaches (the other post didn't) and I guess I just assumed (yeah yeah I 
> know) he was the RB coach.
>

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Tue Dec 18 01:03:53 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Tue Dec 18 00:52:41 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
Message-ID: <476770D9.6040601@neb.rr.com>


     According to this article Bo Pelini is not yet the Head Coach at 
NU.  Honestly, I have a little problem with him coaching for LSU in this 
game.  Not enough to lose any sleep over it but it bothers me a little.  
Once you take another job then your previous job is done.  I am not the 
only one that feels this way.  Jason Peter on "The Spread" was very 
adamant that Pelini should NOT coach for LSU in this game.  Peter's 
statement was pretty much Pelini is now the Head Coach at NU and that is 
all that should matter.  Oh, there is always the argument you finish 
what you started but that to me doesn't hold water.  I don't care what 
has been promised or set on the table once you change employers you have 
cut ties with your previous employer and owe them nothing.


http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/12583286.html


Bob Beach

From toddlowell at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 18 05:45:03 2007
From: toddlowell at yahoo.com (Todd Richards)
Date: Tue Dec 18 05:32:49 2007
Subject: [Husker] Re:  Rating Fans
Message-ID: <162377.41778.qm@web30711.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Question:  Why are we continually discussing something that is totally subjective, ever changing, and has no answer?       
                                                                                                                                       I get the part about discussion, and back and forth commentary in these types of forums.  Does anyone think that we haven't already heard several list members view points on the good points and bad points of Nebraska fans, and fans from other schools several times over now?
   
  If there is something new to add in this area I look forward to reading it.
   
  Remember, Mike Nolan occasionally  breaks down the orgins and meaning of the word (fan-a-tic).  It helps keep us all grounded.
   
  Todd in Tennessee

       
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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 08:14:04 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Tue Dec 18 08:02:07 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
In-Reply-To: <476770D9.6040601@neb.rr.com>
References: <476770D9.6040601@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8FA003A6-A019-4D8A-B92E-AD1EDB0168E2@gmail.com>

Jason Peter has rating to attain. If he doesn't have a strong opinion,  
he won't make them.

If jason's bumper-sticker mind could focus on the long term for more  
than 10 seconds, he'd realize what an asset it will be to have a coach  
who's already coached in a national title game, should we ever get  
there.  Pelini won't have to ask someone else how to handle  
preparations, he'll already know what he'd like to do.

Not only that, but what's Pelini supposed to do for the next couple  
weeks, sit around and yell at people?

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 18, 2007, at 1:03 AM, Bob Beach wrote:

>
>    According to this article Bo Pelini is not yet the Head Coach at  
> NU.  Honestly, I have a little problem with him coaching for LSU in  
> this game.  Not enough to lose any sleep over it but it bothers me a  
> little.  Once you take another job then your previous job is done.   
> I am not the only one that feels this way.  Jason Peter on "The  
> Spread" was very adamant that Pelini should NOT coach for LSU in  
> this game.  Peter's statement was pretty much Pelini is now the Head  
> Coach at NU and that is all that should matter.  Oh, there is always  
> the argument you finish what you started but that to me doesn't hold  
> water.  I don't care what has been promised or set on the table once  
> you change employers you have cut ties with your previous employer  
> and owe them nothing.
>
>
> http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/12583286.html
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.   
> The problem appears to be on their end.





From marklandin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 08:52:15 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Tue Dec 18 08:41:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
In-Reply-To: <8FA003A6-A019-4D8A-B92E-AD1EDB0168E2@gmail.com>
References: <476770D9.6040601@neb.rr.com>
	<8FA003A6-A019-4D8A-B92E-AD1EDB0168E2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16ee270e0712180652q54f22dd6jc96c8c84392a7118@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/07, jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jason Peter has rating to attain. If he doesn't have a strong opinion,
> he won't make them.
>
> If jason's bumper-sticker mind could focus on the long term for more
> than 10 seconds, he'd realize what an asset it will be to have a coach
> who's already coached in a national title game, should we ever get
> there.  Pelini won't have to ask someone else how to handle
> preparations, he'll already know what he'd like to do.

Pelini has already coached in an NC game as a co-DC, so he should already know.

> Not only that, but what's Pelini supposed to do for the next couple
> weeks, sit around and yell at people?

Review film.
Meet with his staff.
Meet with his players.
Review strength and nutrition plan.
Plan recruiting activities after dead period.
Build relationship with area HS coaches.
Plan spring practices and scrimmages.
Scout next season's opponents.
Get his contract signed.

Probably a couple more things he could be doing that would make sense
for a first-time, incoming head coach to be doing.


-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From marklandin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 08:54:10 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Tue Dec 18 08:42:20 2007
Subject: Fw: [Husker] RB Coach
In-Reply-To: <BAY116-DAV160FDA0535F596CBE58B61D1630@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY116-DAV160FDA0535F596CBE58B61D1630@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <16ee270e0712180654s5e9ea1e7ndd55e85c36cf8005@mail.gmail.com>

The whiff of rumor I've been hearing is this person is currently
coaching on an SEC team involve din a bowl ... possibly Florida.

On 12/18/07, Monty Perry <python3955@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >From the bottom of the article at:
> http://tinyurl.com/yuoqws
>
> "Speculation that Shawn Simms will be Nebraska's new running backs coach is
> inaccurate, according to Pelini.
>
> Pelini said on Sunday that he will name the coach after the bowl season
> because that coach's team is involved in a bowl game."
>
>
> Monty
>
>
> > The OWH had an article yesterday and it list Shawn Sims as one of the
> > coaches (the other post didn't) and I guess I just assumed (yeah yeah I
> > know) he was the RB coach.
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
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>


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From rchriste at threeriver.net  Tue Dec 18 09:21:51 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Tue Dec 18 09:08:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
In-Reply-To: <476770D9.6040601@neb.rr.com>
References: <476770D9.6040601@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4767E58F.80208@threeriver.net>

At first I had reservations about Coach Pelini continuing with LSU 
through the MNC game against OSU.  However, I have come to realize that 
the focus on Coach Pelini as "The New Head Coach of Nebraska" during the 
game will probably add a huge boost to recruiting (assuming the LSU 
defense plays well and hopefully hangs one on OSU).  Since the previous 
Husker staff did not become bowl eligible, I think the focus on Nebraska 
during the MNC game will be great. 

The article about the coaching staff indicates that several of the new 
coaches will be sharing in the administrative duties of the head coach.  
I'm sure that will help the continuity of recruiting and other tasks 
during this time.

Bob

Bob Beach wrote:
>
>     According to this article Bo Pelini is not yet the Head Coach at 
> NU.  Honestly, I have a little problem with him coaching for LSU in 
> this game.  Not enough to lose any sleep over it but it bothers me a 
> little.  Once you take another job then your previous job is done.  I 
> am not the only one that feels this way.  Jason Peter on "The Spread" 
> was very adamant that Pelini should NOT coach for LSU in this game.  
> Peter's statement was pretty much Pelini is now the Head Coach at NU 
> and that is all that should matter.  Oh, there is always the argument 
> you finish what you started but that to me doesn't hold water.  I 
> don't care what has been promised or set on the table once you change 
> employers you have cut ties with your previous employer and owe them 
> nothing.
>
>
> http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/12583286.html
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
> _______________________________________________
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> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.  The 
> problem appears to be on their end.
>

From mug135 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 18 09:52:59 2007
From: mug135 at hotmail.com (Dana Williams)
Date: Tue Dec 18 09:41:06 2007
Subject: [Husker] RB Coach
In-Reply-To: <16ee270e0712180654s5e9ea1e7ndd55e85c36cf8005@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY116-DAV160FDA0535F596CBE58B61D1630@phx.gbl>
	<16ee270e0712180654s5e9ea1e7ndd55e85c36cf8005@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY131-W22DB90255778DA3157957187630@phx.gbl>


> The whiff of rumor I've been hearing is this person is currently> coaching on an SEC team involve din a bowl ... possibly Florida.
 
Wow! Urban Meyer is going to be the new running backs coach? (Just kidding).
 
Dana in O.C. 
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From huskers_001 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 18 10:21:01 2007
From: huskers_001 at hotmail.com (Jeffery Brown)
Date: Tue Dec 18 10:09:08 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
In-Reply-To: <476770D9.6040601@neb.rr.com>
References: <476770D9.6040601@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY134-W6DB5DD7867C3EFB3971C1C0630@phx.gbl>

Fellow Husker Fans,
 
I disagree completely.  NU shows great support for our new head coach by letting him complete what he started.  It shows loyalty on both sides.  Loyalty to his previous employer who is probably still paying him and loyalty from the NU side showing they support him as a person and a coach.  And for those who believe you can't have both, I believe you're wrong.  This is a short-term situation with little to no negative repercussions to the NU program.  I believe this is a win-win situation.  It never ceases to amaze me at what fans (any school/team) will find wrong to pick at.  This shouldn't be one of them.
 
Jeff Brown
a.k.a Huskers001
Go Big Red!!!



> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:03:53 -0600> From: baseballguy@neb.rr.com> To: husker@tssi.com> Subject: [Husker] Coaching> > > According to this article Bo Pelini is not yet the Head Coach at > NU. Honestly, I have a little problem with him coaching for LSU in this > game. Not enough to lose any sleep over it but it bothers me a little. > Once you take another job then your previous job is done. I am not the > only one that feels this way. Jason Peter on "The Spread" was very > adamant that Pelini should NOT coach for LSU in this game. Peter's > statement was pretty much Pelini is now the Head Coach at NU and that is > all that should matter. Oh, there is always the argument you finish > what you started but that to me doesn't hold water. I don't care what > has been promised or set on the table once you change employers you have > cut ties with your previous employer and owe them nothing.> > > http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/12583286.html> > > Bob Beach> > _______________________________________________> husker site list> husker@tssi.com> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker> > Note: Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently. The problem appears to be on their end.
From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Tue Dec 18 10:25:30 2007
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott R Lawson)
Date: Tue Dec 18 10:13:35 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
In-Reply-To: <BAY134-W6DB5DD7867C3EFB3971C1C0630@phx.gbl>
References: <476770D9.6040601@neb.rr.com>
	<BAY134-W6DB5DD7867C3EFB3971C1C0630@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D365E5468@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>

I couldn't agree more!

Scott in NY

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Jeffery Brown
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Husker List
Subject: RE: [Husker] Coaching

Fellow Husker Fans,
 
I disagree completely.  NU shows great support for our new head coach by
letting him complete what he started.  It shows loyalty on both sides.
Loyalty to his previous employer who is probably still paying him and
loyalty from the NU side showing they support him as a person and a
coach.  And for those who believe you can't have both, I believe you're
wrong.  This is a short-term situation with little to no negative
repercussions to the NU program.  I believe this is a win-win situation.
It never ceases to amaze me at what fans (any school/team) will find
wrong to pick at.  This shouldn't be one of them.
 
Jeff Brown
a.k.a Huskers001
Go Big Red!!!



> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:03:53 -0600> From: baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
To: husker@tssi.com> Subject: [Husker] Coaching> > > According to this
article Bo Pelini is not yet the Head Coach at > NU. Honestly, I have a
little problem with him coaching for LSU in this > game. Not enough to
lose any sleep over it but it bothers me a little. > Once you take
another job then your previous job is done. I am not the > only one that
feels this way. Jason Peter on "The Spread" was very > adamant that
Pelini should NOT coach for LSU in this game. Peter's > statement was
pretty much Pelini is now the Head Coach at NU and that is > all that
should matter. Oh, there is always the argument you finish > what you
started but that to me doesn't hold water. I don't care what > has been
promised or set on the table once you change employers you have > cut
ties with your previous employer and owe them nothing.> > >
http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/12583286.html> > > Bob Beach> >
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From trking at providence.edu  Tue Dec 18 10:46:54 2007
From: trking at providence.edu (thomas r. king)
Date: Tue Dec 18 10:34:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
In-Reply-To: <B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D365E5468@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
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Plus we get a head coach with experience coaching in a MNC game!  Win-win,
indeed!

tom king


On 12/18/07 11:25 AM, "Scott R Lawson" <SLawson@uamail.albany.edu> wrote:

> I couldn't agree more!
> 
> Scott in NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
> Of Jeffery Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:21 AM
> To: Husker List
> Subject: RE: [Husker] Coaching
> 
> Fellow Husker Fans,
>  
> I disagree completely.  NU shows great support for our new head coach by
> letting him complete what he started.  It shows loyalty on both sides.
> Loyalty to his previous employer who is probably still paying him and
> loyalty from the NU side showing they support him as a person and a
> coach.  And for those who believe you can't have both, I believe you're
> wrong.  This is a short-term situation with little to no negative
> repercussions to the NU program.  I believe this is a win-win situation.
> It never ceases to amaze me at what fans (any school/team) will find
> wrong to pick at.  This shouldn't be one of them.
>  
> Jeff Brown
> a.k.a Huskers001
> Go Big Red!!!
> 
> 

From marklandin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 10:52:11 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Tue Dec 18 10:40:56 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
In-Reply-To: <C38D63AE.173D7%trking@providence.edu>
References: <B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D365E5468@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
	<C38D63AE.173D7%trking@providence.edu>
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On 12/18/07, thomas r. king <trking@providence.edu> wrote:
> Plus we get a head coach with experience coaching in a MNC game!  Win-win,
> indeed!

What if LSU's defense performs poorly?


-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From trking at providence.edu  Tue Dec 18 10:57:39 2007
From: trking at providence.edu (thomas r. king)
Date: Tue Dec 18 10:45:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
In-Reply-To: <16ee270e0712180852l4dbce144oc30dfea544176aa3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C38D6633.173DD%trking@providence.edu>

Win-win-lose (LSU)!

He still learns from the experience.  He actually might learn more, although
you have a point. i certainly hope for a win-win-win.


On 12/18/07 11:52 AM, "Mark Landin" <marklandin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/18/07, thomas r. king <trking@providence.edu> wrote:
>> Plus we get a head coach with experience coaching in a MNC game!  Win-win,
>> indeed!
> 
> What if LSU's defense performs poorly?
> 

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Dec 18 10:46:17 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Dec 18 10:46:21 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
Message-ID: <200712181646.lBIGkHGP016570@romaine.tssi.com>

> Plus we get a head coach with experience coaching in a MNC game!  Win-win,
> indeed!

Um, wasn't Bo already in one while at Oklahoma, when they lost to USC?

What's the over/under on how many times during the 4+ hours that the
NC game will be on TV that they mention that Bo is the new head coach 
at Nebraska?  My guess:  8
--
Mike Nolan


From marklandin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 11:18:37 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Tue Dec 18 11:07:24 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
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References: <200712181646.lBIGkHGP016570@romaine.tssi.com>
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On 12/18/07, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:
> > Plus we get a head coach with experience coaching in a MNC game!  Win-win,
> > indeed!
>
> Um, wasn't Bo already in one while at Oklahoma, when they lost to USC?

Yes. I mentioned that earlier in this thread.

>
> What's the over/under on how many times during the 4+ hours that the
> NC game will be on TV that they mention that Bo is the new head coach
> at Nebraska?  My guess:  8

2. I haven't seen much mention of the situation in the national media
up to now. NU just doesn't "pop" on the national scene right now.
Hopefully that will change in the coming years.

-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Tue Dec 18 11:24:03 2007
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott R Lawson)
Date: Tue Dec 18 11:12:09 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
In-Reply-To: <16ee270e0712180918g50eea091w3596f1b0fddc23da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200712181646.lBIGkHGP016570@romaine.tssi.com>
	<16ee270e0712180918g50eea091w3596f1b0fddc23da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D365E5469@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>

I would guess the preparations for the head coach in a situation like
this would be slightly different than that of the coordinators anyway.

Scott in NY

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Landin
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:19 PM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: husker@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Coaching

On 12/18/07, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:
> > Plus we get a head coach with experience coaching in a MNC game!
Win-win,
> > indeed!
>
> Um, wasn't Bo already in one while at Oklahoma, when they lost to USC?

Yes. I mentioned that earlier in this thread.

>
> What's the over/under on how many times during the 4+ hours that the
> NC game will be on TV that they mention that Bo is the new head coach
> at Nebraska?  My guess:  8

2. I haven't seen much mention of the situation in the national media
up to now. NU just doesn't "pop" on the national scene right now.
Hopefully that will change in the coming years.

-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

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From J1a2c3k at aol.com  Tue Dec 18 11:32:39 2007
From: J1a2c3k at aol.com (J1a2c3k@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 18 11:24:14 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
Message-ID: <c6b.211258ab.34995e37@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 12/18/2007 11:53:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
marklandin@gmail.com writes:

What if  LSU's defense performs poorly?



Are you inferring that the coaches only get experience if they  win?
 
Jack

Be more concerned with your character  than your reputation,
because your character is what you really are;
your  reputation is merely what others think you are.
(John  Wooden, former UCLA basketball coach)



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From marklandin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 11:46:14 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Tue Dec 18 11:35:00 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
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On 12/18/07, J1a2c3k@aol.com <J1a2c3k@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/18/2007 11:53:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> marklandin@gmail.com writes:
>
> What if  LSU's defense performs poorly?
>
>
>
> Are you inferring that the coaches only get experience if they  win?
>

No, but Pelini already has experience in an MNC game (losing one, in
fact). The other supposed benefit to this arrangement is presumed to
be positive publicity for NU during the game. My question is whether
or not people believe NU's exposure in this game would still be
positive if LSU's defense performs poorly.

-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From ldbrown at llu.edu  Tue Dec 18 12:52:48 2007
From: ldbrown at llu.edu (Brown, Laura (LLU))
Date: Tue Dec 18 12:40:51 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
In-Reply-To: <200712181646.lBIGkHGP016570@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200712181646.lBIGkHGP016570@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <68F7AA221E9C294D96A9C8B1A6E9523002390443@oakmont.llu.ad.lluahsc.org>

8 might be a little overkill I will go with 6.  :)


Laura 

 
-----Original Message-----


What's the over/under on how many times during the 4+ hours that the
NC game will be on TV that they mention that Bo is the new head coach 
at Nebraska?  My guess:  8
--
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From marklandin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 13:17:36 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Tue Dec 18 13:06:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] And the hits just keep on coming
Message-ID: <16ee270e0712181117x7a4b4af2u89ecadc467188171@mail.gmail.com>

LB Will Compton and DE Simil Kuli have both officially decommitted.

-- 
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would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From rchriste at threeriver.net  Tue Dec 18 13:21:33 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Tue Dec 18 13:07:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
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First I expect the defense to perform well for LSU.  It would obviously 
be best if they play very well and LSU wins the game going away.  But I 
think it will be a positive regardless.  If they play poorly, it can be 
attributed to Coach Pelini being distracted with the new job, getting 
moved to Lincoln, spending time on the road recruiting and hiring 
coaches, etc.  I don't think there is ANY downside for Nebraska.  There 
may be a downside for those that are looking for something to complain 
about though.*smile*.

Bob

Mark Landin wrote:
> On 12/18/07, J1a2c3k@aol.com <J1a2c3k@aol.com> wrote:
>   
>> In a message dated 12/18/2007 11:53:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> marklandin@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> What if  LSU's defense performs poorly?
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you inferring that the coaches only get experience if they  win?
>>
>>     
>
> No, but Pelini already has experience in an MNC game (losing one, in
> fact). The other supposed benefit to this arrangement is presumed to
> be positive publicity for NU during the game. My question is whether
> or not people believe NU's exposure in this game would still be
> positive if LSU's defense performs poorly.
>
>   

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Tue Dec 18 13:32:19 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Tue Dec 18 13:21:05 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
In-Reply-To: <8FA003A6-A019-4D8A-B92E-AD1EDB0168E2@gmail.com>
References: <476770D9.6040601@neb.rr.com>
	<8FA003A6-A019-4D8A-B92E-AD1EDB0168E2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47682043.9080406@neb.rr.com>

jon johnston wrote:
> Jason Peter has rating to attain. If he doesn't have a strong opinion, 
> he won't make them.

      I agree but he could have a strong opinion the other way but he 
doesn't. 


   >If jason's bumper-sticker mind could focus on the long term for more 
than 10 seconds, he'd realize what an asset it will be to have a coach 
who's already coached in a national title game, should we ever get 
there.  Pelini won't have to ask someone else how to handle 
preparations, he'll already know what he'd like to do.


      That's pretty insulting.  Why do you feel that way?  Just because 
he disagrees with your position?

>
> Not only that, but what's Pelini supposed to do for the next couple 
> weeks, sit around and yell at people?
>
      So you are saying because it is a recruiting dead period there is 
absolutely nothing to do?   If that is the case maybe the Head Coaching 
position really isn't that big of deal.


Bob Beach

From kevinmack.redhead at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 18 13:39:40 2007
From: kevinmack.redhead at yahoo.com (Kevin Mack)
Date: Tue Dec 18 13:27:30 2007
Subject: [Husker] RB Coach
In-Reply-To: <47675411.5070207@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <287404.98966.qm@web46005.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

My inside source tells me it's going to be Frank Solich : )
   
  Bo's getting the band back together!

Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote:
  Has anyone picked up any intel as to whom the new RB coach will be? I 
find it hard to believe nothing has leaked, but I haven't heard even a 
whiff of a rumor.
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

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From nickchevance at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 13:44:29 2007
From: nickchevance at gmail.com (Nick Chevance)
Date: Tue Dec 18 13:32:24 2007
Subject: [Husker] RB Coach
In-Reply-To: <BAY131-W22DB90255778DA3157957187630@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY116-DAV160FDA0535F596CBE58B61D1630@phx.gbl>
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Someone said (sorry, I lost it in the length of this thread):

> The whiff of rumor I've been hearing is this person is currently> coaching on an SEC team involve din a bowl ... possibly Florida.

Actually, the guys on Unsportsmanlike Conduct yesterday were
speculating that it may be yet  another SEC team, LSU Coach Larry
Porter who is listed as Asst. Head Coach/Running Backs/Special Teams.
Which is exactly the spot open on the Husker list.  They were all
a-twitter about Mr. Porter, not necessarily because of his outstanding
coaching abilities, but because he was rated as the top recruiter this
last year (now, how many stars he gets next to his name for being the
top recruiter, I don't know, or how you actually rate the best
recruiter, I don't know either but that's what "they" say).  In
addition, it was mentioned that he may be able to bring along a number
of young men who have committed to LSU who are felt to be more
committed to Mr. Porter than to LSU.  So, you get a running backs
coach, someone for special teams, and a few 'starred' players in the
deal.  That would be interesting.

Basically, there are 11 bowls (22 teams) that would involve coaches
who would not be available until after the date mentioned in the press
release by Nebraska.  So, by a simple process of elimination, there
are a minimum of 22 potential candidates for that last spot.  Or does
that narrow the speculation too much?

Nick

-- 
"It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a
warning to others."
Anon

From marklandin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 13:50:15 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Tue Dec 18 13:39:00 2007
Subject: [Husker] RB Coach
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On 12/18/07, Nick Chevance <nickchevance@gmail.com> wrote:
> Someone said (sorry, I lost it in the length of this thread):
>
> > The whiff of rumor I've been hearing is this person is currently> coaching on an SEC team involve din a bowl ... possibly Florida.
>
> Actually, the guys on Unsportsmanlike Conduct yesterday were
> speculating that it may be yet  another SEC team, LSU Coach Larry
> Porter who is listed as Asst. Head Coach/Running Backs/Special Teams.
> Which is exactly the spot open on the Husker list.

Porter is the other name I'd heard. However, the position open at NU
is not an Asst. HC position, so would basically be a demotion for him,
so one wonders how interested Porter would be in such a move. I think
it would be a great hire for NU, but also am feeling it's not Porter.
-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From nickchevance at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 13:57:49 2007
From: nickchevance at gmail.com (Nick Chevance)
Date: Tue Dec 18 13:45:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] RB Coach
In-Reply-To: <16ee270e0712181150j64585519r64dccc8525581be8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY116-DAV160FDA0535F596CBE58B61D1630@phx.gbl>
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On Dec 18, 2007 1:50 PM, Mark Landin <marklandin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Porter is the other name I'd heard. However, the position open at NU
> is not an Asst. HC position, so would basically be a demotion for him,
> so one wonders how interested Porter would be in such a move. I think
> it would be a great hire for NU, but also am feeling it's not Porter.

Mark (et al)

They did mention that fact, but figured the pay could be worked so
that it may not make that much monetary difference.  The other
reasoning they used, which I found a bit less convincing (but not that
any of this convinces me of anything at all) was that Porter has been
with Miles now for 6 years - the last three at LSU and three years at
Okie State (I think). Their idea on that matter was that asst. coaches
reach a point where they don't think they can learn much more at the
feet of a certain head coach, and want to strike out on their own.
Hmmm.  Nice idea but I'm not so sure I buy into that piece of logic.

But we'll see.  The New Year will certainly bring something new in
terms of Husker football.  That is the one certainty.  And I for one
can't wait.

Nick

-- 
"It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a
warning to others."
Anon

From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 15:16:49 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Tue Dec 18 15:04:54 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
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On Dec 18, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Bob Beach wrote:

> jon johnston wrote:
>> Jason Peter has rating to attain. If he doesn't have a strong  
>> opinion, he won't make them.
>
>     I agree but he could have a strong opinion the other way but he  
> doesn't.
>
>  >If jason's bumper-sticker mind could focus on the long term for  
> more than 10 seconds, he'd realize what an asset it will be to have  
> a coach who's already coached in a national title game, should we  
> ever get there.  Pelini won't have to ask someone else how to handle  
> preparations, he'll already know what he'd like to do.
>
>
>     That's pretty insulting.  Why do you feel that way?  Just  
> because he disagrees with your position?

Yes! Plus, I'm auditioning. :)
>
>
>>
>> Not only that, but what's Pelini supposed to do for the next couple  
>> weeks, sit around and yell at people?
>>
>     So you are saying because it is a recruiting dead period there  
> is absolutely nothing to do?   If that is the case maybe the Head  
> Coaching position really isn't that big of deal.
>
>
> Bob Beach

Recruiting dead period, yes, that had something to do with the  
response. But the real key is - this is a long-term commitment and  
process. One or two weeks aren't going to make that huge a difference  
in Pelini's success or failure. If it did, Osborne wouldn't have let  
him do it, and the other coaches who were hired probably wouldn't have  
become part of the staff.

Re-read the list of stuff that Mark had posted:
------------------------
Review film.
Meet with his staff.
Meet with his players.
Review strength and nutrition plan.
Plan recruiting activities after dead period.
Build relationship with area HS coaches.
Plan spring practices and scrimmages.
Scout next season's opponents.
Get his contract signed.
-----------------------

There is nothing in here that is on a deadline that makes or breaks  
Pelini's head coaching career at Nebraska. There's also nothing in  
here that can't be done while Pelini is coaching for LSU, either, save  
a couple meetings that he's  already had.

We're losing recruits. If Pelini weren't coaching for LSU, you think  
it would make that big a difference?


Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

From CGKnox at pella.com  Tue Dec 18 15:23:54 2007
From: CGKnox at pella.com (Knox, Chuck)
Date: Tue Dec 18 15:12:59 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
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How about Ekeler and Papuchis?  Will they be with LSU through the championship game as well??  All I ever hear about is Bo -- seems kind of unfair if he gets to coach in the game and they don't!

Chuck Knox
Pella, Iowa

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Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:52 AM
To: jon johnston
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Subject: Re: [Husker] Coaching

On 12/18/07, jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jason Peter has rating to attain. If he doesn't have a strong opinion,
> he won't make them.
>
> If jason's bumper-sticker mind could focus on the long term for more
> than 10 seconds, he'd realize what an asset it will be to have a coach
> who's already coached in a national title game, should we ever get
> there.  Pelini won't have to ask someone else how to handle
> preparations, he'll already know what he'd like to do.

Pelini has already coached in an NC game as a co-DC, so he should already know.

> Not only that, but what's Pelini supposed to do for the next couple
> weeks, sit around and yell at people?

Review film.
Meet with his staff.
Meet with his players.
Review strength and nutrition plan.
Plan recruiting activities after dead period.
Build relationship with area HS coaches.
Plan spring practices and scrimmages.
Scout next season's opponents.
Get his contract signed.

Probably a couple more things he could be doing that would make sense
for a first-time, incoming head coach to be doing.




From robhollo423 at comcast.net  Tue Dec 18 15:33:21 2007
From: robhollo423 at comcast.net (Robert)
Date: Tue Dec 18 15:21:18 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
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I read they will be/are with him as well.


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> How about Ekeler and Papuchis?  Will they be with LSU through the 
> championship game as well??  All I ever hear about is Bo -- seems kind of 
> unfair if he gets to coach in the game and they don't!
>
> Chuck Knox
> Pella, Iowa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Landin [mailto:marklandin@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:52 AM
> To: jon johnston
> Cc: Husker List
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Coaching
>
> On 12/18/07, jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jason Peter has rating to attain. If he doesn't have a strong opinion,
>> he won't make them.
>>
>> If jason's bumper-sticker mind could focus on the long term for more
>> than 10 seconds, he'd realize what an asset it will be to have a coach
>> who's already coached in a national title game, should we ever get
>> there.  Pelini won't have to ask someone else how to handle
>> preparations, he'll already know what he'd like to do.
>
> Pelini has already coached in an NC game as a co-DC, so he should already 
> know.
>
>> Not only that, but what's Pelini supposed to do for the next couple
>> weeks, sit around and yell at people?
>
> Review film.
> Meet with his staff.
> Meet with his players.
> Review strength and nutrition plan.
> Plan recruiting activities after dead period.
> Build relationship with area HS coaches.
> Plan spring practices and scrimmages.
> Scout next season's opponents.
> Get his contract signed.
>
> Probably a couple more things he could be doing that would make sense
> for a first-time, incoming head coach to be doing.
>
>
>
>
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From gscratch1 at comcast.net  Tue Dec 18 16:35:31 2007
From: gscratch1 at comcast.net (gscratch1@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Dec 18 16:23:26 2007
Subject: [Husker] over/under plus
Message-ID: <121820072235.13603.47684B3200080339000035232213484373080C9B0E9D0C9C09@comcast.net>

>What's the over/under on how many times during the 4+ hours that the
>NC game will be on TV that they mention that Bo is the new head coach 
>at Nebraska?  My guess:  8

plus how many times each of these is mentioned:
 NU is not in a bowl game this year
 how long NU's bowl game streak was until it ended just a few years ago
 BP's only HC experience is one bowl game (the trivia question might be: "who played in that game?") 
 how bad NU's defense was this year - qualifier: depends on how good LSU's defense is in this game

Glen in NJ
From sklarbodds at cox.net  Tue Dec 18 20:51:07 2007
From: sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Tue Dec 18 20:41:56 2007
Subject: [personal] Re: [Husker] RB Coach
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>   Bo's getting the band back together!

Belushi: The Band?  The Band!!
James Brown: Do you see the light?
Belushi: I see the light!

Great movie.

--
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From surf4evr at msn.com  Tue Dec 18 21:25:52 2007
From: surf4evr at msn.com (Michael J Schultz)
Date: Tue Dec 18 21:14:01 2007
Subject: [Husker] RB Coach
Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV10829CD90A72AC4CCE29E2825C0@phx.gbl>

I know there has been all kinds of talk who will be the next RB coach, so
here's my input as well.

 

Stan Drayton - Florida Gators (he also has experience as a special teams
coach)

His connection with Bo is from his days with the Green Bay Packers when they
both worked together.

 

 

You can read all about him on these 2 sites

 

http://www.gatorzone.com/football/media/2007/pdf/86.pdf

 

http://www.gatorzone.com/insidefootball/?sub=staff
<http://www.gatorzone.com/insidefootball/?sub=staff&bio=drayton>
&bio=drayton

 

 

Michael J Schultz

surf4evr@msn.com

 


From toddlowell at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 19 10:13:25 2007
From: toddlowell at yahoo.com (Todd Richards)
Date: Wed Dec 19 10:01:06 2007
Subject: [Husker] Coaching
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Mark Landin <marklandin@gmail.com> wrote:    I've seen Ohio States offense perform this year.  LSU's defense will not perform poorly in this game.  However, LSU's offense may have their problems against a stingy and under appreciated OSU defense.
  Todd in Tennessee  
What if LSU's defense performs poorly?


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From rchriste at threeriver.net  Wed Dec 19 14:50:04 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Wed Dec 19 14:36:23 2007
Subject: [Husker] No longer Interim AD
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The Daily Nebraskan Just reported that Tom Osborne has accepted the full 
AD position until June 2010.

http://media.www.dailynebraskan.com/media/storage/paper857/news/2007/12/17/News/Osborne.Accepts.Ad.Position-3144887.shtml

From gbrlist at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 19 14:59:42 2007
From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Wed Dec 19 14:47:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] No longer Interim AD
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> 
> The Daily Nebraskan Just reported that Tom Osborne has accepted the full 
> AD position until June 2010.
> 
> http://media.www.dailynebraskan.com/media/storage/paper857/news/2007/12/17/News/Osborne.Accepts.Ad.Position-3144887.shtml
> 

He's the best man for the job.

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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Wed Dec 19 22:31:15 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Wed Dec 19 22:19:53 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
Message-ID: <4769F013.5020409@neb.rr.com>



     Evidently recruits are not that impressed with Nebraska.  We'll see 
what happens.  I would guess part of the problem is outside NU, OU, and 
LSU probably not many recruits have ever heard of Bo Pelini.  If one 
goes into California, Chicago, or the East Coast I doubt if many would 
recognize the name "Bo Pelini".  And it is fairly obvious the name "Tom 
Osborne" isn't influencing a lot of people either.  I don't believe all 
hope is lost but it is also pretty obvious Pelini and Osborne don't 
swing the weight people thought they did.  I am talking at this point in 
time.  That is no disrespect to Osborne.  It is just that relatively few 
people go to a program based on who the AD is and most of today's high 
school seniors probably don't remember TO coaching.  If Bo comes through 
with a couple of great teams that could all turn around.


http://journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/18/huskerextra/football/doc4767565a90410928579363.txt


Bob Beach

From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Wed Dec 19 22:53:47 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Wed Dec 19 22:41:41 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
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We had a coaching change, a complete rollover in the entire football  
office pretty much. I think the key to this article is Crabtree  
stating that you're going to see both sides of it. We're going to lose  
some recruits, and some guys that we never thought we'd see are going  
to join us.

In the mind of a 17 or 18 year old, february is 50 million miles away,  
and until everyone signs, it *is* going to be a wild ride.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com
On Dec 19, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Bob Beach wrote:

>
>
>    Evidently recruits are not that impressed with Nebraska.  We'll  
> see what happens.  I would guess part of the problem is outside NU,  
> OU, and LSU probably not many recruits have ever heard of Bo  
> Pelini.  If one goes into California, Chicago, or the East Coast I  
> doubt if many would recognize the name "Bo Pelini".  And it is  
> fairly obvious the name "Tom Osborne" isn't influencing a lot of  
> people either.  I don't believe all hope is lost but it is also  
> pretty obvious Pelini and Osborne don't swing the weight people  
> thought they did.  I am talking at this point in time.  That is no  
> disrespect to Osborne.  It is just that relatively few people go to  
> a program based on who the AD is and most of today's high school  
> seniors probably don't remember TO coaching.  If Bo comes through  
> with a couple of great teams that could all turn around.
>
>
> http://journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/18/huskerextra/football/doc4767565a90410928579363.txt
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
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From huskertt at charter.net  Wed Dec 19 22:54:58 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Wed Dec 19 22:47:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
References: <4769F013.5020409@neb.rr.com>
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That's OK.  There's nothing to worry about.  I'm sure there are a ton of 
guys who just finished playing 8-man football in Nebraska that are 
available. (sarcasm intended)

Seriously, I have to agree totally with Bob on this issue.  While nearly 
everyone in my area (Metro East, St Louis) has heard of Callahan, not as 
many remember Tom Osborne, and very few have heard of Bo Pelini.  Only the 
die hard college fans have heard of him or anyone on his staff.

Besides Kreikemeier and Cotton, does anyone know of ANY players that have 
been recruited (verbal commits or nearly commits) since Callahan was fired?

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: [Husker] Recruits


>
>
>     Evidently recruits are not that impressed with Nebraska.  We'll see 
> what happens.  I would guess part of the problem is outside NU, OU, and 
> LSU probably not many recruits have ever heard of Bo Pelini.  If one goes 
> into California, Chicago, or the East Coast I doubt if many would 
> recognize the name "Bo Pelini".  And it is fairly obvious the name "Tom 
> Osborne" isn't influencing a lot of people either.  I don't believe all 
> hope is lost but it is also pretty obvious Pelini and Osborne don't swing 
> the weight people thought they did.  I am talking at this point in time. 
> That is no disrespect to Osborne.  It is just that relatively few people 
> go to a program based on who the AD is and most of today's high school 
> seniors probably don't remember TO coaching.  If Bo comes through with a 
> couple of great teams that could all turn around.
>
>
> http://journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/18/huskerextra/football/doc4767565a90410928579363.txt
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Wed Dec 19 23:01:02 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Wed Dec 19 22:48:51 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
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Bob Beach wrote:
> 
>     Evidently recruits are not that impressed with Nebraska. . . . I don't believe all 
> hope is lost but it is also pretty obvious Pelini and Osborne don't 
> swing the weight people thought they did.  

Perhaps. It may also be the case that some or all of the defectors had 
chosen to come to Nebraska just to play for Callahan in the belief that 
he could help them to the NFL. Now that he is gone, maybe they want to 
play for a coach with a track record in that regard. If that's why they 
chose NU in the first place, I doubt we'll miss them.

-- 
Dick Karre
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From jfpgroup at msn.com  Wed Dec 19 23:12:35 2007
From: jfpgroup at msn.com (Steven Johnson)
Date: Wed Dec 19 23:00:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
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I bet we do better than 5-7 with the players on the squad next year and even 
better with the recruits that stay.  Add the spark from all that "Pellini in 
the BCS championship game"  and  I think we will be just fine.  After all, 
how many NFL scouts are going to look at any of our players, including 
Keller after we nearly got beat by Ball State.

Steven J
Class of 83
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruits


> Bob Beach wrote:
>>
>>     Evidently recruits are not that impressed with Nebraska. . . . I 
>> don't believe all hope is lost but it is also pretty obvious Pelini and 
>> Osborne don't swing the weight people thought they did.
>
> Perhaps. It may also be the case that some or all of the defectors had 
> chosen to come to Nebraska just to play for Callahan in the belief that he 
> could help them to the NFL. Now that he is gone, maybe they want to play 
> for a coach with a track record in that regard. If that's why they chose 
> NU in the first place, I doubt we'll miss them.
>
> -- 
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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 19 23:27:50 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Wed Dec 19 23:15:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
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Like it is nearly every year.  Remember two years ago
when Josh Freeman jilted Callahan just before
Christmas?  

Here's a thought... perhaps Bo Pelini looked at the
film of some of these guys and told them that while
Nebraska would honor the scholarship that had been
offered, they might want to find another institution
that better matches their talents.  Many fans are
making the assumption that these players were not only
a good match for the previous coaching staff (who
probably have a questionable record in that regard
anyway) but also the new staff.  Maybe Pelini and his
staff looked at the films and wondered just what
Rivals and Callahan were thinking about these guys.

And who knows, maybe Dan Hawkins (who ended getting
commitments from many of these guys) was able to
successfully convince recruits that Nebraska was going
to run the Wing-T offense and wear leather helmets on
defense.  Maybe some of these players will change
their minds again after the dead period ends in
January.


--- jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com> wrote:

> We had a coaching change, a complete rollover in the
> entire football  
> office pretty much. I think the key to this article
> is Crabtree  
> stating that you're going to see both sides of it.
> We're going to lose  
> some recruits, and some guys that we never thought
> we'd see are going  
> to join us.
> 
> In the mind of a 17 or 18 year old, february is 50
> million miles away,  
> and until everyone signs, it *is* going to be a wild
> ride.
> 
> Jon Johnston
> http://www.cornnation.com


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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 20 07:40:41 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Thu Dec 20 07:28:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
In-Reply-To: <000901c842c4$7a200080$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <524320.4748.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Yeah but when you have a coach who is remembered for being a crappy coach who cares. BC is only remembered because of what happened in Oakland and how he took NU to rock bottom. He has been all over ESPN this season and esp. lately for getting fired. Other wise I doubt anyone would know who he is. I had no clue who he was before he started coaching at Oakland and wish it had stayed that way. 




Tommy Thompson <huskertt@charter.net> wrote: That's OK.  There's nothing to worry about.  I'm sure there are a ton of 
guys who just finished playing 8-man football in Nebraska that are 
available. (sarcasm intended)

Seriously, I have to agree totally with Bob on this issue.  While nearly 
everyone in my area (Metro East, St Louis) has heard of Callahan, not as 
many remember Tom Osborne, and very few have heard of Bo Pelini.  Only the 
die hard college fans have heard of him or anyone on his staff.

Besides Kreikemeier and Cotton, does anyone know of ANY players that have 
been recruited (verbal commits or nearly commits) since Callahan was fired?

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Beach" 
To: "Husker List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:31 PM
Subject: [Husker] Recruits


>
>
>     Evidently recruits are not that impressed with Nebraska.  We'll see 
> what happens.  I would guess part of the problem is outside NU, OU, and 
> LSU probably not many recruits have ever heard of Bo Pelini.  If one goes 
> into California, Chicago, or the East Coast I doubt if many would 
> recognize the name "Bo Pelini".  And it is fairly obvious the name "Tom 
> Osborne" isn't influencing a lot of people either.  I don't believe all 
> hope is lost but it is also pretty obvious Pelini and Osborne don't swing 
> the weight people thought they did.  I am talking at this point in time. 
> That is no disrespect to Osborne.  It is just that relatively few people 
> go to a program based on who the AD is and most of today's high school 
> seniors probably don't remember TO coaching.  If Bo comes through with a 
> couple of great teams that could all turn around.
>
>
> http://journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/18/huskerextra/football/doc4767565a90410928579363.txt
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
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>
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.  The 
> problem appears to be on their end.
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From marklandin at gmail.com  Thu Dec 20 09:15:19 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Thu Dec 20 09:03:05 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
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On 12/19/07, Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Like it is nearly every year.  Remember two years ago
> when Josh Freeman jilted Callahan just before
> Christmas?
>
> Here's a thought... perhaps Bo Pelini looked at the
> film of some of these guys and told them that while
> Nebraska would honor the scholarship that had been
> offered, they might want to find another institution
> that better matches their talents.

There is that possibility. However, I don't think one can reasonably
think NU is "happy" to lose players like LB Compton, DE Kuli, and RB
Gray, all of whom had offers from multiple elite programs. Givens and
Robinson? Don't know .. if they are prototypical pass blockers and
Pelini is looking for more run blocking, perhaps those guys aren't a
big loss.


> Many fans are
> making the assumption that these players were not only
> a good match for the previous coaching staff (who
> probably have a questionable record in that regard
> anyway) but also the new staff.  Maybe Pelini and his
> staff looked at the films and wondered just what
> Rivals and Callahan were thinking about these guys.

Then they are wondering what Texas, OU, Florida, and Miami, et al, saw
in those guys too.

>
> And who knows, maybe Dan Hawkins (who ended getting
> commitments from many of these guys) was able to
> successfully convince recruits that Nebraska was going
> to run the Wing-T offense and wear leather helmets on
> defense.  Maybe some of these players will change
> their minds again after the dead period ends in
> January.

That's possible too, for some. I think Kuli and Compton are still
outside shots. I think Gabbert, Givens, Robinson, Rippy, Williams and
Gray are just plain gone.

As others have mentioned, after the dead period we will start to see
activity on some players who have had us on their lists for a while
but hadn't committed anywhere, and some players with some renewed
interest.
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would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From rczeranko at juno.com  Thu Dec 20 09:14:26 2007
From: rczeranko at juno.com (rczeranko@juno.com)
Date: Thu Dec 20 09:03:57 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
Message-ID: <20071220.071426.13245.0@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>

One thing that people are forgetting is that Nebraska is a program in transition. This is the third head coach in the past five years (actually, the fifth head coach if you count Coach Pelini's interim title). And the third AD as many years as well.
Other programs are going to use the turmoil (or perceived turmoil) to steal recruits away. Other programs may be playing up the 'Yeah, it Tom Osborne, but he's been out of it for a long time...' angle.
 
It would be very confusing for a high schooler to decide just what to do. As for JUCO's they probably realize that they had a better chance of start under Coach Callahan than they would now.
 
Just some additional thoughts.
 
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Date: Thu Dec 20 10:19:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] top seniors
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Thu Dec 20 10:46:49 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Thu Dec 20 10:34:35 2007
Subject: [Husker] McKewon on the Transition
Message-ID: <476A9C79.3000306@comcast.net>

Chill out, Husker fans.
http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2007/12/19/4769e05e65ae1
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 20 13:54:21 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Thu Dec 20 13:41:59 2007
Subject: [Husker] top seniors
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I wonder how this list compares to the Recruiting ranking they came
into college with...	

Sorting this list, from Nebraska Schools you have:			
Nebraska (4):			
121	 Maurice Purify	WR	Nebraska
167	 Bo Ruud	LB	Nebraska
196	 Sam Keller	QB	Nebraska
245	 Corey McKeon	LB	Nebraska
			
UNO (1): 			
238	 Ben Hochstein	OT	Nebraska-Omaha
			
Other Big 12 Teams: 			
Missouri (8):			
11	 Martin Rucker	TE	Missouri
36	 Adam Spieker	C 	Missouri
68	 Will Franklin	WR	Missouri
111	 Tony Temple	RB	Missouri
146	 Tyler Luellen	OT	Missouri
169	 Darnell Terrell	CB	Missouri
175	 Pig Brown	S	Missouri
183	 Lorenzo Williams	DT	Missouri
			
Texas (7):			
17	 Frank Okam	DT	Texas
49	 Tony Hills	OT	Texas
56	 Nate Jones	WR	Texas
86	 Marcus Griffin	S	Texas
137	 Derek Lokey	DT	Texas
191	 Robert Killebrew	LB	Texas
237	 Billy Pittman	WR	Texas
			
Oklahoma (6):			
35	 Allen Patrick	RB	Oklahoma
170	 Darien Williams	S	Oklahoma
172	 Marcus Walker	CB	Oklahoma
173	 DJ Wolfe	S	Oklahoma
198	 Joe Jon Finley	TE	Oklahoma
228	 Alonzo Dotson	DE	Oklahoma
			
Colorado (4): 			
83	 Jordon Dizon	LB	Colorado
186	 Terrance Wheatley	CB	Colorado
208	 Dusty Sprague	WR	Colorado
231	 Hugh Charles	RB	Colorado
			
Iowa State (4):			
179	 Todd Blythe	WR	Iowa State
184	 Alvin Bowen	LB	Iowa State
190	 Mike Humpal	LB	Iowa State
235	 Jon Banks	LB	Iowa State
			
Texas A&M (4):			
32	 Red Bryant	DT	Texas A&M
149	 Kirk Elder	OG	Texas A&M
165	 Cody Wallace	C	Texas A&M
240	 Christopher Harrington	DE	Texas A&M
          			
Kansas (2): 			
51	 Marcus Henry	WR	Kansas
218	 Derek Fine	TE	Kansas
			
Oklahoma State (2):			
20	 Adarius Bowman	WR	Oklahoma St
154	 Dantrell Savage	RB	Oklahoma St
			
Baylor (1): 			
194	 Alton Widemon	CB	Baylor
			
Kansas State (1):			
74	 Jordy Nelson	WR	Kansas State
			
Texas Tech (1):			
223	 Danny Amendola	WR	Texas Tech


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From marklandin at gmail.com  Thu Dec 20 14:03:36 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Thu Dec 20 13:51:22 2007
Subject: [Husker] One down, ??? to go....
Message-ID: <16ee270e0712201203p219b3bb1ie4f69af3ac25e4f3@mail.gmail.com>

Tyler Hetzer, JUCO TE, has signed his LOI. That's one...

http://nebraska.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=65752#colleges

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From jeffv at alphavideo.com  Thu Dec 20 14:15:09 2007
From: jeffv at alphavideo.com (Jeff Volk)
Date: Thu Dec 20 14:02:48 2007
Subject: [Husker] top seniors
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>I wonder how this list compares to the Recruiting ranking they came
>into college with...	

>Sorting this list, from Nebraska Schools you have:			
>Nebraska (4):			
>121	 Maurice Purify	WR	Nebraska
>167	 Bo Ruud	LB	Nebraska
>196	 Sam Keller	QB	Nebraska
>245	 Corey McKeon	LB	Nebraska
			

An interesting list, and just another example of how subjective all
talent evaluation, be it recruiting, NFL draft prospects, etc, really
is. 

Carl Nicks, who isn't even on the New Era Scouting list provided above
is rated as the #25 prospect in the nation by Mel Kiper, Jr over at ESPN
- and he doesn't even make this list. All other things being equal
however I would bet that Kiper's analysis is a little more plugged in
than whoever the folks at New Era Scouting are. 

FYI. 

Happy Holidays. 

Jeffrey Volk

From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Thu Dec 20 20:19:09 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Thu Dec 20 20:06:44 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
Message-ID: <30754949.1198203549849.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thanks Jon,

The previous post had me believing that only us worthless lowdown scum sucking Husker fans were stupid enough to have any respect for Osborne and Pelini.

I don't think I'll hold my breath until we get a positive post on this new staff from some of our members. I'll take no star recruits that know how to play football over 5 star recruits that were lost on the field any day.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: jon johnston <jon.johnston@gmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 19, 2007 11:53 PM
>To: Bob Beach <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
>Cc: Husker List <husker@tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruits
>
>We had a coaching change, a complete rollover in the entire football  
>office pretty much. I think the key to this article is Crabtree  
>stating that you're going to see both sides of it. We're going to lose  
>some recruits, and some guys that we never thought we'd see are going  
>to join us.
>
>In the mind of a 17 or 18 year old, february is 50 million miles away,  
>and until everyone signs, it *is* going to be a wild ride.
>
>Jon Johnston
>http://www.cornnation.com
>On Dec 19, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Bob Beach wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>    Evidently recruits are not that impressed with Nebraska.  We'll  
>> see what happens.  I would guess part of the problem is outside NU,  
>> OU, and LSU probably not many recruits have ever heard of Bo  
>> Pelini.  If one goes into California, Chicago, or the East Coast I  
>> doubt if many would recognize the name "Bo Pelini".  And it is  
>> fairly obvious the name "Tom Osborne" isn't influencing a lot of  
>> people either.  I don't believe all hope is lost but it is also  
>> pretty obvious Pelini and Osborne don't swing the weight people  
>> thought they did.  I am talking at this point in time.  That is no  
>> disrespect to Osborne.  It is just that relatively few people go to  
>> a program based on who the AD is and most of today's high school  
>> seniors probably don't remember TO coaching.  If Bo comes through  
>> with a couple of great teams that could all turn around.
>>
>>
>> http://journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/18/huskerextra/football/doc4767565a90410928579363.txt
>>
>>
>> Bob Beach
>>
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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Thu Dec 20 22:38:38 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Thu Dec 20 22:27:13 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
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Mike and Kel wrote:
> Thanks Jon,
>
> The previous post had me believing that only us worthless lowdown scum sucking Husker fans were stupid enough to have any respect for Osborne and Pelini.
>
>   
     Uh, did you really read my post?  Here it is again:


>>Evidently recruits are not that impressed with Nebraska.  We'll  
>> see what happens.  I would guess part of the problem is outside NU,  
>> OU, and LSU probably not many recruits have ever heard of Bo  
>> Pelini.  If one goes into California, Chicago, or the East Coast I  
>> doubt if many would recognize the name "Bo Pelini".  And it is  
>> fairly obvious the name "Tom Osborne" isn't influencing a lot of  
>> people either.  I don't believe all hope is lost but it is also  
>> pretty obvious Pelini and Osborne don't swing the weight people  
>> thought they did.  I am talking at this point in time.  That is no  
>> disrespect to Osborne.  It is just that relatively few people go to  
>> a program based on who the AD is and most of today's high school  
>> seniors probably don't remember TO coaching.  If Bo comes through  
>> with a couple of great teams that could all turn around.



     In this post I see nothing about which you are talking about.  It has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with respect for Osborne and Pelini.  I was just trying to say how a recruit in 2007 would view NU.  I certainly believe very very few recruits are drawn to a school based on who is the AD.  Do people realize how long it has been since TO coached?  The recruits today would have been in first grade when TO coached his final game.  His name would not be nearly as recognizable as the top coaches in the last 5-7 years to those people.  And I am serious, does anyone outside of LSU, Nebraska, and OU recognize the name "Bo Pelini"?  That name is not readily recognized nationally.  Why that upsets people I really have no idea.  


Bob Beach
      


From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Thu Dec 20 23:09:39 2007
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott R Lawson)
Date: Thu Dec 20 22:59:59 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
References: <30754949.1198203549849.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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People in "the football world" know Bo Pelini's name quite well Bob. Fans need to remember these kids have many, many people (including other coaching staffs) "whispering" things in their ears...

Nebraska will be fine come spring ball whether they have five "5" star recruits, or zero.

Scott in NY


-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Bob Beach
Sent: Thu 2007.12.20 23:38
To: Husker List
Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruits
 
Mike and Kel wrote:
> Thanks Jon,
>
> The previous post had me believing that only us worthless lowdown scum sucking Husker fans were stupid enough to have any respect for Osborne and Pelini.
>
>   
     Uh, did you really read my post?  Here it is again:


>>Evidently recruits are not that impressed with Nebraska.  We'll  
>> see what happens.  I would guess part of the problem is outside NU,  
>> OU, and LSU probably not many recruits have ever heard of Bo  
>> Pelini.  If one goes into California, Chicago, or the East Coast I  
>> doubt if many would recognize the name "Bo Pelini".  And it is  
>> fairly obvious the name "Tom Osborne" isn't influencing a lot of  
>> people either.  I don't believe all hope is lost but it is also  
>> pretty obvious Pelini and Osborne don't swing the weight people  
>> thought they did.  I am talking at this point in time.  That is no  
>> disrespect to Osborne.  It is just that relatively few people go to  
>> a program based on who the AD is and most of today's high school  
>> seniors probably don't remember TO coaching.  If Bo comes through  
>> with a couple of great teams that could all turn around.



     In this post I see nothing about which you are talking about.  It has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with respect for Osborne and Pelini.  I was just trying to say how a recruit in 2007 would view NU.  I certainly believe very very few recruits are drawn to a school based on who is the AD.  Do people realize how long it has been since TO coached?  The recruits today would have been in first grade when TO coached his final game.  His name would not be nearly as recognizable as the top coaches in the last 5-7 years to those people.  And I am serious, does anyone outside of LSU, Nebraska, and OU recognize the name "Bo Pelini"?  That name is not readily recognized nationally.  Why that upsets people I really have no idea.  


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From dkarre at comcast.net  Fri Dec 21 14:11:59 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Fri Dec 21 13:59:42 2007
Subject: [Husker] Perhaps You've Seen This
Message-ID: <476C1E0F.6000609@comcast.net>

. . . but I hadn't. John Henderson of the Denver Post handed out 
Christmas presents to college football luminaries today. The first item 
on his list went to Bill Callahan, a spot on the U.S. bobsled team 
because no one can drive a team downhill faster. Ouch!
-- 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Dec 21 15:09:38 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Dec 21 15:09:42 2007
Subject: [Husker] Perhaps You've Seen This
Message-ID: <200712212109.lBLL9cRt025889@romaine.tssi.com>

> . . . but I hadn't. John Henderson of the Denver Post handed out 
> Christmas presents to college football luminaries today. The first item 
> on his list went to Bill Callahan, a spot on the U.S. bobsled team 
> because no one can drive a team downhill faster. Ouch!

I liked his present to Bo Pelini, too:  Warm bodies.  This guy could turn
   Dasher, Dancer, Prancer and Vixen into the Fearsome Foursome.

(If anybody had concerns that Bo might be facing mighty high expectations, 
well....yes he will be.)

BTW, I hadn't realized that Woody Paige was back at the Post, I guess it's
true what they say about bliss.
--
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From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Fri Dec 21 23:41:15 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Fri Dec 21 23:28:46 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
Message-ID: <15774837.1198302076079.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Bob,

Yes. It has everything to do with respect for Pelini and Osborne. If you want to continually make smug, back handed insulting posts feel free. I would rather you would have the guts to come straight out and say what you think... just once. 

You can't seriously think that Osborne and Pelini aren't as recognized as Callahan by college football recruits. Tell me what Callahan's great accomplishments are.

My statement is that Pelini will do more with the recruits he has than Callahan did with his. We are losing some of Callahan's recruits. I will bet you that Pelini has a better record next year than the "Great Callahan" had this year.

And yes Bob, Nebraska fans are the greatest in the country. If you think someone is better tell me who they are. None of this " oh, we're all just the same" BS. 

The fact is someone is #1, #2, #3, etc. 

If you disagree with me tell me who is better. 

Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Beach <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
>Sent: Dec 20, 2007 11:38 PM
>To: Husker List <husker@tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruits
>
>Mike and Kel wrote:
>> Thanks Jon,
>>
>> The previous post had me believing that only us worthless lowdown scum sucking Husker fans were stupid enough to have any respect for Osborne and Pelini.
>>
>>   
>     Uh, did you really read my post?  Here it is again:
>
>
>>>Evidently recruits are not that impressed with Nebraska.  We'll  
>>> see what happens.  I would guess part of the problem is outside NU,  
>>> OU, and LSU probably not many recruits have ever heard of Bo  
>>> Pelini.  If one goes into California, Chicago, or the East Coast I  
>>> doubt if many would recognize the name "Bo Pelini".  And it is  
>>> fairly obvious the name "Tom Osborne" isn't influencing a lot of  
>>> people either.  I don't believe all hope is lost but it is also  
>>> pretty obvious Pelini and Osborne don't swing the weight people  
>>> thought they did.  I am talking at this point in time.  That is no  
>>> disrespect to Osborne.  It is just that relatively few people go to  
>>> a program based on who the AD is and most of today's high school  
>>> seniors probably don't remember TO coaching.  If Bo comes through  
>>> with a couple of great teams that could all turn around.
>
>
>
>     In this post I see nothing about which you are talking about.  It has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with respect for Osborne and Pelini.  I was just trying to say how a recruit in 2007 would view NU.  I certainly believe very very few recruits are drawn to a school based on who is the AD.  Do people realize how long it has been since TO coached?  The recruits today would have been in first grade when TO coached his final game.  His name would not be nearly as recognizable as the top coaches in the last 5-7 years to those people.  And I am serious, does anyone outside of LSU, Nebraska, and OU recognize the name "Bo Pelini"?  That name is not readily recognized nationally.  Why that upsets people I really have no idea.  
>
>
>Bob Beach
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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 22 01:11:10 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec 22 00:59:41 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruits
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--- Source message ---
From: "Mike and Kel" <mikelp73@peoplepc.com>
Sent: 12/21/2007 23:41:16
Subject: Re: [Husker] Recruits
 
 
>>Yes. It has everything to do with respect for Pelini and Osborne. If you
>> want to continually make smug, back handed insulting posts feel free. I
>> would rather you would have the guts to come straight out and say what you
>> think... just once. 
 
   
     I think I have said what I think and feel more than once.  If you haven't
     noticed then whatever I guess.  Where in the world do you get this smug,
     back handed posts?  I am just giving my opinion as I assume you are.  I
     am not going into a long dissertation just because you haven't read my
     feelings over the last 10 years.  I have stated my feelings many many
     times.  Maybe as far as smug, back handed posts you need to look inward.
 
 
>>You can't seriously think that Osborne and Pelini aren't as recognized as
>> Callahan by college football recruits. Tell me what Callahan's great
>> accomplishments are.
 
 
 
    Did you bother to read what I posted?  I never said anything at all about
    Callahan.  I don't care about Callahan at all.  I merely stated recruits
    today would not necessarily recognize TO as they were very young children
    when he retired from coaching.  And, recruits really don't choose a
    college based on the AD.  And, I also stated outside of a few geographical
    areas Pelini would not be a household name.  I believe that to be true.
    Name me one Defensive Coordinator out of the Big 10, the Soutwest
    Conference other than Pelini, the Pac 10 and etc.  Defensive Coordinators
    are not household names unless one follows that particular team.  If NU
    goes into California, Texas, and the East Coast it is very likely that
    recruit has never heard of Bo Pelini.
 
 
>>My statement is that Pelini will do more with the recruits he has than
>> Callahan did with his. We are losing some of Callahan's recruits. I will
>> bet you that Pelini has a better record next year than the "Great Callahan"
>> had this year.
 
 
     Pelini may or may not but what does that have to do with anything?  What
     I have said has abolutely nothing to do with Callahan.  I don't even have
     him in mind.
 
 
 
 
>>The fact is someone is #1, #2, #3, etc. 
 
 
 
     Okay, tell me who they are in ranked order.
 
 
 
 
>>If you disagree with me tell me who is better.
 
 
 
     I couldn't care less who is better or who is worse.  It is impossible to
     rank fans anyway so why try?  Fans are fans.  People are people.  There
     are good and bad.  Why is it so important to you that I acknowledge NU
     fans as number one?  About the only people I hear from that NU fans are
     number one are NU fans.  I have absolutely no idea how it is proveable
     which fans are number one, two, and etc.  Since you haven't read anything
     I have posted I will say this again.  NU fans are great as far as
     respecting the opponent and following the team. Beyond that they are like
     fans of every other team.  If you don't believe the fans opinion of
     Callahan and Cosgrove got very ugly then you were watching a whole
     different thing than was I.
 
 
 
Bob Beach

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 22 08:49:07 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec 22 08:37:35 2007
Subject: [Husker] Titles
Message-ID: <fovpymvtwhslynhdhvci.baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

 
    I think we are talking symantics here but I see Barney Cotton has been
    given the title Associate Head Coach and Ted Gilmore has been given the
    title Assistant Head Coach.  How do the duties, responsibilities, and the
    postions differ between Associate and Assistant?  I honestly don't know.
 
 
Bob Beach

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 22 09:10:24 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec 22 08:58:51 2007
Subject: [Husker] Titles
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From: andy@knipp.com
Sent: 12/22/2007 09:05:41
Subject: Re: [Husker] Titles
 
 
 
IIRC, Barney was an adminitrative position, paperwork, compliance, etc, the
assistant HC will deal with more of the football related activities and
overall direction of the program.
 
Andy 
 
 
 
 
 
     I appreciate the response.  That would make sense.  I thought there had
     to be some difference because of the two separate titles but I wasn't
     sure what that was.  
 
 
Bob Beach

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From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Sat Dec 22 09:42:23 2007
Subject: [Husker] Titles
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Baseballguy wrote:

>
>    I think we are talking symantics here but I see Barney Cotton 
> has been given the title Associate Head Coach and Ted Gilmore has 
> been given the title Assistant Head Coach.  How do the duties, 
> responsibilities, and the postions differ between Associate and 
> Assistant?

The former has tenure?  <grin>

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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 22 13:53:21 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Baseballguy)
Date: Sat Dec 22 13:41:46 2007
Subject: [Husker] Titles
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--- Source message ---
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Sent: 12/22/2007 10:08:10
Subject: Re: [Husker] Titles
 
 
 
Bob,
 
On the academic side, an Associate Professor is one step below a full 
Professor, and an Assistant Professor is one step below an Associate. 
Don't know if that holds true on the football side, but it's logical 
to assume it does.
 
Best wishes,
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 
      I would agree.  Thanks for the input.  I really appreciate it because,
      as I said, I really didn't know.  Merry Christmas and thanks again.
 
 
Bob Beach

From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Sun Dec 23 00:04:07 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Sat Dec 22 23:51:39 2007
Subject: [Husker] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <26878681.1198389848119.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I see that the bowl games have begun so it must be Christmas time : )

I hope you all have a great Christmas and Happy 2008. Hopefully all of our biggest problems of the new year will only have to do with how many games the Huskers win.

.... Of course as soon as the new year starts I'll be jumping on all of you I disagree with like Tiny Tim on a Christmas goose.

Mike

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From huskertt at charter.net  Sun Dec 23 01:38:05 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Sun Dec 23 01:30:32 2007
Subject: [Husker] Merry Christmas
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I'd also like to add a thank you to those on the list that are serving in 
the Armed Forces.  What you do is far more important than a football team.

Everyone have Merry Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year.

Tommy Thompson
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Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:04 AM
Subject: [Husker] Merry Christmas


>I see that the bowl games have begun so it must be Christmas time : )
>
> I hope you all have a great Christmas and Happy 2008. Hopefully all of our 
> biggest problems of the new year will only have to do with how many games 
> the Huskers win.
>
> .... Of course as soon as the new year starts I'll be jumping on all of 
> you I disagree with like Tiny Tim on a Christmas goose.
>
> Mike
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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec 23 10:52:14 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Dec 23 10:40:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] Graduation
Message-ID: <004101c84584$2bae6c30$660fa8c0@BobBeach>

Blank     We have discussions here and even argue at times but I think here 
is one thing I would think we would all agree is something of which to be 
proud of our student/athletes.


http://tinyurl.com/2ym3t4



Bob Beach 

From dkarre at comcast.net  Sun Dec 23 11:31:28 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sun Dec 23 11:19:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] Graduation
In-Reply-To: <004101c84584$2bae6c30$660fa8c0@BobBeach>
References: <004101c84584$2bae6c30$660fa8c0@BobBeach>
Message-ID: <476E9B70.3020904@comcast.net>

Bob Beach wrote:
> We have discussions here and even argue at times but I think 
> here is one thing I would think we would all agree is something of which 
> to be proud of our student/athletes.

Indeed. This is one tradition that Callahan maintained.

-- 
Dick Karre
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From theo at heise.nu  Sun Dec 23 16:44:25 2007
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Sun Dec 23 16:32:51 2007
Subject: [Husker] Graduation
In-Reply-To: <004101c84584$2bae6c30$660fa8c0@BobBeach>
References: <004101c84584$2bae6c30$660fa8c0@BobBeach>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712231743340.16129@linus.heise.nu>



On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, Bob Beach wrote:

> We have discussions here and even argue at times but I think here 
> is one thing I would think we would all agree is something of 
> which to be proud of our student/athletes.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2ym3t4

Absolutely!  Congratulations to all these student-athletes!

Thanks for posting this, Bob.

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From gbrlist at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 23 17:25:30 2007
From: gbrlist at hotmail.com (David Strong)
Date: Sun Dec 23 17:13:13 2007
Subject: [Husker] Graduation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0712231743340.16129@linus.heise.nu>
References: <004101c84584$2bae6c30$660fa8c0@BobBeach>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0712231743340.16129@linus.heise.nu>
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> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2ym3t4
> 
> Absolutely!  Congratulations to all these student-athletes!

The last line of the story is the best:

"Nebraska continues to
feature one of the highest graduation rates in the nation with an
exhausted eligibility graduation rate of 94 percent."

Dave


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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Tue Dec 25 18:10:38 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Tue Dec 25 17:58:52 2007
Subject: [Husker] Ineligible Players
Message-ID: <47719BFE.3040503@neb.rr.com>



    What is going on this year?  I don't remember ever this kind of 
number of people being ineligible for bowl games.  It seems like there 
are a few more than below but I can't seem to find them right now.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls07/news/story?id=3168103


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls07/news/story?id=3167977


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls07/news/story?id=3165899


Bob Beach



From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Thu Dec 27 11:47:57 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Thu Dec 27 11:36:05 2007
Subject: [Husker] Vanden Bosch
Message-ID: <20071227114757.7EDBE9FF6DD3D4E9@neb.rr.com>




Vanden Bosch to start in Pro Bowl.




http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=1&SPID=22&DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=1355396



Sincerely,

Bob Beach

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From ttlw at aol.com  Wed Dec 19 14:39:33 2007
From: ttlw at aol.com (ttlw@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 27 15:32:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] Fwd: Just how bad is Bo Pelini?
In-Reply-To: <BAY143-W3561C24BB528BBB7B974E6AF5C0@phx.gbl>
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 This was sent to me by my mother of all people. Some good ones in there.

Terry



















> Just How Bad is Bo Pelini?
>?
> When Pelini takes a swim, he doesn't get wet, the water gets Pelinied.
>?
> Bo Pelini doesn't read offenses. He stares them down until he gets the
> information he wants.
>?
> Pelini makes Chuck Liddell sit down to pee.
>?
> Before Chuck Norris goes to sleep at night, he checks his closet for Bo
> Pelini.
>?
> Bo Pelini once played 18 holes of golf using a 12 inch strip of rebar
> and a sun dried tomato. He shot a 54.
>?
> Bo Pelini could kill Chuck Norris nine different ways with his headset
> and four different ways with his play chart.
>?
> Bo Pelini sleeps with a night light. Not because he is afraid of the
> dark but because the dark is afraid of Bo Pelini.
>?
> Bo Pelini doesn't fart, he detonates.
>?
> Superman wears Bo Pelini pajamas to bed.
>?
> Bo Pelini didn't hang the moon. He stared down an asteroid and it
> stopped in it's tracks.
>?
> Bo Pelini's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one
> fools Bo Pelini.
>?
> Bo Pelini was originally cast as the main character in 24, but was
> replaced by the producers when he managed to kill
> every terrorist and save the day in 12 minutes and 37 seconds.
>?
> Bo Pelini doesn't cut his grass, he dares it to grow.
>?
> Bo Pelini used to beat the sh*t out of his shadow because it was
> following him to close. It now stands a safe 30 feet
> behind him.
>?
> They say that Superman's only weakness is kryptonite. Bo Pelini laughs
> at Superman for having a weakness.
>?
> Bo Pelini's dog is trained to pick up his own poop because Bo Pelini
> will not take sh*t from anyone.
>?
> Bo Pelini once partook in a pissing contest outside of a bar. His
> opponent drowned.
>?
> Bo Pelini can build a snowman out of rain.
>?
> Bo Pelini's wristwatch has no numbers on it. It just says, "Time to kick
> ass."
>?
> GO HUSKERS!? Amen.








?


 


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kay Webster <kwebster_4@hotmail.com>
To: Terry Webster <ttlw@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 5:33 pm
Subject: FW: Just how bad is Bo Pelini?



































For those of you who don't know who Bo Pelini is, he was named Nebraska's head football?coach after Bill Callahan was fired for decimating Nebraska's football records.? At this point, Bo is slightly less revered than Tom Osborne, but we'll see what happens come fall for a final judgment.? More later.? ser


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?




?













> Just How Bad is Bo Pelini?
>?
> When Pelini takes a swim, he doesn't get wet, the water gets Pelinied.
>?
> Bo Pelini doesn't read offenses. He stares them down until he gets the
> information he wants.
>?
> Pelini makes Chuck Liddell sit down to pee.
>?
> Before Chuck Norris goes to sleep at night, he checks his closet for Bo
> Pelini.
>?
> Bo Pelini once played 18 holes of golf using a 12 inch strip of rebar
> and a sun dried tomato. He shot a 54.
>?
> Bo Pelini could kill Chuck Norris nine different ways with his headset
> and four different ways with his play chart.
>?
> Bo Pelini sleeps with a night light. Not because he is afraid of the
> dark but because the dark is afraid of Bo Pelini.
>?
> Bo Pelini doesn't fart, he detonates.
>?
> Superman wears Bo Pelini pajamas to bed.
>?
> Bo Pelini didn't hang the moon. He stared down an asteroid and it
> stopped in it's tracks.
>?
> Bo Pelini's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one
> fools Bo Pelini.
>?
> Bo Pelini was originally cast as the main character in 24, but was
> replaced by the producers when he managed to kill
> every terrorist and save the day in 12 minutes and 37 seconds.
>?
> Bo Pelini doesn't cut his grass, he dares it to grow.
>?
> Bo Pelini used to beat the sh*t out of his shadow because it was
> following him to close. It now stands a safe 30 feet
> behind him.
>?
> They say that Superman's only weakness is kryptonite. Bo Pelini laughs
> at Superman for having a weakness.
>?
> Bo Pelini's dog is trained to pick up his own poop because Bo Pelini
> will not take sh*t from anyone.
>?
> Bo Pelini once partook in a pissing contest outside of a bar. His
> opponent drowned.
>?
> Bo Pelini can build a snowman out of rain.
>?
> Bo Pelini's wristwatch has no numbers on it. It just says, "Time to kick
> ass."
>?
> GO HUSKERS!? Amen.








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From Crnhusker1 at aol.com  Thu Dec 27 16:02:20 2007
From: Crnhusker1 at aol.com (Crnhusker1@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 27 15:50:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] Vanden Bosch
Message-ID: <ce6.242dd03a.34a57aec@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/27/2007 11:49:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
baseballguy@neb.rr.com writes:

Vanden  Bosch to start in Pro Bowl.



Yes, he plays at a different level than others. His motor never stops! 
 
It'll be good to see him again in Honolulu.
 
Mike



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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Fri Dec 28 10:11:32 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Fri Dec 28 09:59:36 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
Message-ID: <20071228101132.D4A3018FEAF11240@neb.rr.com>





     Here is an article about Pelini.  Nothing against Pelini but 
he really continues to get rave reviews for a guy that has never 
been a Head Coach on any level.


http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_7824888



Sincerely,

Bob Beach
mailto:baseballguy@neb.rr.com


From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Fri Dec 28 10:30:32 2007
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott R Lawson)
Date: Fri Dec 28 10:17:54 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071228101132.D4A3018FEAF11240@neb.rr.com>
References: <20071228101132.D4A3018FEAF11240@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D365E547A@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>

I understand the concern with hiring a coach with little or no prior
head coaching experience, but when all the accolades seem to come from
successful coaches who have worked with the guy I really can't see why
people would be so worried about this hire. Obviously no one who has
worked with him is going to criticize the guy before he starts his first
head job, but as hard as it is for some folks on this list to admit, the
other coaches who are heaping the praise on Pelini know a heckuva lot
more about what it takes to succeed in coaching.

Scott in NY

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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Husker List
Subject: [Husker] Article





     Here is an article about Pelini.  Nothing against Pelini but 
he really continues to get rave reviews for a guy that has never 
been a Head Coach on any level.


http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_7824888



Sincerely,

Bob Beach
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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Fri Dec 28 11:04:51 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Fri Dec 28 10:52:53 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D365E547A@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
Message-ID: <20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>



***** ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS *****

I understand the concern with hiring a coach with little or no 
prior
head coaching experience, but when all the accolades seem to come 
from
successful coaches who have worked with the guy I really can't 
see why
people would be so worried about this hire. Obviously no one who 
has
worked with him is going to criticize the guy before he starts 
his first
head job, but as hard as it is for some folks on this list to 
admit, the
other coaches who are heaping the praise on Pelini know a heckuva 
lot
more about what it takes to succeed in coaching.

Scott in NY





In response to "Scott R Lawson" <SLawson@uamail.albany.edu> 
message on 28-December-2007 10:30:32a


     I am not going to disagree with you on whether coaches know 
coaching and what it takes to succeed moreso than someone who has 
never been in coaching.  That is a given.  But I also do know the 
coaching fraternity is a lot like a good ole boys club.  Rarely 
are you ever going to hear one coach criticize another.  The only 
time you might hear this is if a coach believes he has been 
wronged by another coach.  But, generally they stick up for each 
other.  I don't see how anyone could possibly know what kind of 
Head Coach Pelini will be.  Because he has never been one no one 
has anything to go on.  There is no track record.  I am not 
against Pelini and am not going to unduly and hopefully not 
unfairly criticize him.  But, I haven't seen anything yet to 
completely hop on the bandwagon either.  



Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

From rchriste at threeriver.net  Fri Dec 28 11:55:33 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Fri Dec 28 11:42:59 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>
References: <20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <47753895.7020402@threeriver.net>

Well Bob, we had a "proven head coach" these last 4 years and it was a 
complete disaster. The only thing about that great experiment that 
surprised me is how long a lot of the "WCO guru's" to admit it was a 
mistake.  I am a lot more comfortable with the "unproven" Coach Pelini 
than I ever was with Callahan and company and I think there are a lot of 
other fans nationwide that are too.

It seems like your still wanting to stay on the Callahan band wagon.  
Its a fact, Pederson is gone, Callahan is gone, and Nebraska is a lot 
better because they are FINALLY gone!

Bob

baseballguy@neb.rr.com wrote:
> ***** ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS *****
>
> I understand the concern with hiring a coach with little or no 
> prior
> head coaching experience, but when all the accolades seem to come 
> from
> successful coaches who have worked with the guy I really can't 
> see why
> people would be so worried about this hire. Obviously no one who 
> has
> worked with him is going to criticize the guy before he starts 
> his first
> head job, but as hard as it is for some folks on this list to 
> admit, the
> other coaches who are heaping the praise on Pelini know a heckuva 
> lot
> more about what it takes to succeed in coaching.
>
> Scott in NY
>
>
>
>
>
> In response to "Scott R Lawson" <SLawson@uamail.albany.edu> 
> message on 28-December-2007 10:30:32a
>
>
>      I am not going to disagree with you on whether coaches know 
> coaching and what it takes to succeed moreso than someone who has 
> never been in coaching.  That is a given.  But I also do know the 
> coaching fraternity is a lot like a good ole boys club.  Rarely 
> are you ever going to hear one coach criticize another.  The only 
> time you might hear this is if a coach believes he has been 
> wronged by another coach.  But, generally they stick up for each 
> other.  I don't see how anyone could possibly know what kind of 
> Head Coach Pelini will be.  Because he has never been one no one 
> has anything to go on.  There is no track record.  I am not 
> against Pelini and am not going to unduly and hopefully not 
> unfairly criticize him.  But, I haven't seen anything yet to 
> completely hop on the bandwagon either.  
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bob Beach
>
> mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
>
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From nickchevance at gmail.com  Fri Dec 28 11:57:45 2007
From: nickchevance at gmail.com (Nick Chevance)
Date: Fri Dec 28 11:45:07 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>
References: <B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D365E547A@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
	<20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <379622790712280957v287c23fbwbb8b163027360892@mail.gmail.com>

On 28 Dec 2007 11:04:51 -0600,  <baseballguy@neb.rr.com> wrote:

>I am not
> against Pelini and am not going to unduly and hopefully not
> unfairly criticize him.  But, I haven't seen anything yet to
> completely hop on the bandwagon either.

Well, I'm not on any bandwagon, and I'm not calling for a pickup
either.  For what its worth, Bob, nobody has any idea really how
anyone is going to perform in any job, despite one's pedigree.  Maybe
Pelini will suck at head coaching.  A lot of people do.  And I'd agree
that coaching is an old boys club, and they tend to stick up for each
other.  I mean, listen to interviews with some of our arch enemies,
like Barnett from CU or Switzer from OU.  They all love us, and they
love each other.  Its a freakin' love fest.

The point that was being made was that, despite the old boys club and
the fact that Pelini may totally suck, despite all that, other coaches
have been giving him some high praise.  I'm willing to give Pelini and
the coaches the benefit of the doubt.  And I think most coaches will
say good things about him because they 1) actually believe that, 2)
they are glad they don't have to face his defense at LSU again, and 3)
they probably don't have to face Nebraska anytime soon.  And again,
remember, I'm not on, nor have I even been on, a Pelini bandwagon.  I
thought the guy from Wake would have been a good fit, or even the Navy
coach (but I think he was a candidate only because the media types
thought Nebraska wanted to pull into its shell and try to recreate the
past - completely).  So, thanks for pointing out the downside, but I
think the upside is still good.

And the fact that I'm even responding to this is a true sign that
there's too much time between the end of the season and spring ball
when we suck and don't make even a low level bowl.  I mean, imagine my
surprise to actually enjoy a bit of the Purdue game the other night.
C'mon April!!

Nick
-- 
"It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a
warning to others."
Anon

From jschlechte at usfamily.net  Fri Dec 28 12:18:29 2007
From: jschlechte at usfamily.net (jschlechte@usfamily.net)
Date: Fri Dec 28 12:05:38 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>
References: <20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20071228121828.850gdjbhck8k80c0@webmail.usfamily.net>


> Nothing against Pelini but he really continues to get rave reviews 
> for a guy that has never been a Head Coach on any level.

> I don't see how anyone could possibly know what kind of
> Head Coach Pelini will be.  Because he has never been one no one
> has anything to go on.  There is no track record.


Pelini has an undefeated record at 1-0.  He WAS the head coach at NU 
for a month
preparing for the bowl game, so he does have a track record albeit a 
short one.

You can bring up the interim label, but Pelini doesn't strike me as one who
would have pusseyfooted around Pederson and do the job the way Pederson wanted
it done.

As for the article, since when does one get a ring for losing a Super Bowl?  I
thought rings were for winners.

GBR,

- jay



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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 28 12:37:44 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Fri Dec 28 12:25:50 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <265305.59660.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Well I haven't seen a post or article that says Pelini is a great or even good head coach. There have been tons that say it was a good hire and the writer believes or quotes someone who believes that Pelini has what it takes TO BE a good head coach. 




baseballguy@neb.rr.com wrote: 

***** ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS *****

I understand the concern with hiring a coach with little or no 
prior
head coaching experience, but when all the accolades seem to come 
from
successful coaches who have worked with the guy I really can't 
see why
people would be so worried about this hire. Obviously no one who 
has
worked with him is going to criticize the guy before he starts 
his first
head job, but as hard as it is for some folks on this list to 
admit, the
other coaches who are heaping the praise on Pelini know a heckuva 
lot
more about what it takes to succeed in coaching.

Scott in NY





In response to "Scott R Lawson"  
message on 28-December-2007 10:30:32a


     I am not going to disagree with you on whether coaches know 
coaching and what it takes to succeed moreso than someone who has 
never been in coaching.  That is a given.  But I also do know the 
coaching fraternity is a lot like a good ole boys club.  Rarely 
are you ever going to hear one coach criticize another.  The only 
time you might hear this is if a coach believes he has been 
wronged by another coach.  But, generally they stick up for each 
other.  I don't see how anyone could possibly know what kind of 
Head Coach Pelini will be.  Because he has never been one no one 
has anything to go on.  There is no track record.  I am not 
against Pelini and am not going to unduly and hopefully not 
unfairly criticize him.  But, I haven't seen anything yet to 
completely hop on the bandwagon either.  



Sincerely,

Bob Beach

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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Fri Dec 28 12:59:34 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Fri Dec 28 12:47:36 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <47753895.7020402@threeriver.net>
Message-ID: <20071228125934.5BE5CD169AEA8556@neb.rr.com>



***** ORIGINAL Robert Christensen MESSAGE FOLLOWS *****

Well Bob, we had a "proven head coach" these last 4 years and it 
was a 
complete disaster. The only thing about that great experiment 
that 
surprised me is how long a lot of the "WCO guru's" to admit it 
was a 
mistake.  I am a lot more comfortable with the "unproven" Coach 
Pelini 
than I ever was with Callahan and company and I think there are a 
lot of 
other fans nationwide that are too.

It seems like your still wanting to stay on the Callahan band 
wagon.  
Its a fact, Pederson is gone, Callahan is gone, and Nebraska is a 
lot 
better because they are FINALLY gone!

Bob





In response to Robert Christensen <rchriste@threeriver.net> 
message on 28-December-2007 11:55:33a


     I am totally cognizant of the fact that not everyone works 
out everytime in all situations.  But, job situations are 
typically filled by those with experience unless there is no one 
experienced available.  Which I wonder if this wasn't at least 
partially the position NU and TO were in?  At the same point in 
time, meaning after Callahan had been on about a month, I was 
more comfortable with Callahan.  Not only had he been a Head 
Coach, he had taken a team to the Super Bowl.  Obviously he 
didn't work out but at the time it didn't look like a bad hire.  
And, the reason Callahan didn't work out had nothing to do with 
the WCO.  That part of Callahan's regime seemed to work fine.


     What I have possibly could have said that  would lead you to 
believe I am on the Callahan bandwagon at this point in time?  
Callahan and Pederson both needed to go and they are gone.  Their 
reigns were nothing short of disaster.  I have no problem with 
that statement whatsoever.  As a matter of fact I didn't know I 
was ever on the Callahan bandwagon other than a few times I stuck 
up for him like I would any coach.  But, there was no way I knew 
Callahan would fail less than a month after he was hired any more 
than I know Pelini will be a success less than a month after he 
was hired.  


     For the record Callhan had to go.  I am not against Pelini 
but I am not 100% convinced at this point in time either.  Of 
course, as with any coach, time could very well change that 
opinion and I hope it does for the good.  At this point I just 
don't want to swing too hard in either direction.    



Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>




From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Fri Dec 28 13:11:09 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Fri Dec 28 12:59:11 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <8CA17908347F09C-E10-4DF0@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20071228131109.9510A95D278FB02E@neb.rr.com>



***** ORIGINAL <petemyron@aol.com> MESSAGE FOLLOWS *****

Dear Bob

He has been a head coach and has a winning percentage of 100%.

Skip



In response to <petemyron@aol.com> message on 28-December-2007 
11:45:04a


     If one is going on just straight up being technical you are 
correct.  However, we both know just that statement alone doesn't 
even begin to tell the whole story.  :-)  


Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>






From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Fri Dec 28 16:11:21 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Fri Dec 28 15:59:06 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>
References: <20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <p06210208c39b2478d37a@[10.30.5.83]>

Bob wrote:

>      I am not going to disagree with you on whether coaches know
>coaching and what it takes to succeed moreso than someone who has
>never been in coaching.  That is a given.  But I also do know the
>coaching fraternity is a lot like a good ole boys club.  Rarely
>are you ever going to hear one coach criticize another.  The only
>time you might hear this is if a coach believes he has been
>wronged by another coach.  But, generally they stick up for each
>other.  I don't see how anyone could possibly know what kind of
>Head Coach Pelini will be.  Because he has never been one no one
>has anything to go on.  There is no track record.  I am not
>against Pelini and am not going to unduly and hopefully not
>unfairly criticize him.  But, I haven't seen anything yet to
>completely hop on the bandwagon either.

If memory serves, Dr. Tom had never been a head coach at any level 
nor had he coached at any level at any other university.

Please correct me if my memory has skipped a beat.

Steve Stone

From huskertt at charter.net  Fri Dec 28 16:24:57 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Fri Dec 28 16:16:57 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
References: <20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>
	<p06210208c39b2478d37a@[10.30.5.83]>
Message-ID: <000301c849a0$7b571a00$6c01a8c0@Husker>

Callahan had coached, mostly successfully, at many levels prior to coming to 
Nebraska.  With the exception of his last year in Oakland, his resume looked 
quite good.

I haven't jumped on the Pelini bandwagon yet either, however, prior coaching 
experience, whether or not as a Head Coach, does not seem to indicate 
whether or not a coach will be successful.

I'm hoping for great things...just not getting my hopes too high.

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net>
To: "Husker List" <husker@tssi.com>; <m@gw.tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Husker] Article


> Bob wrote:
>
>>      I am not going to disagree with you on whether coaches know
>>coaching and what it takes to succeed moreso than someone who has
>>never been in coaching.  That is a given.  But I also do know the
>>coaching fraternity is a lot like a good ole boys club.  Rarely
>>are you ever going to hear one coach criticize another.  The only
>>time you might hear this is if a coach believes he has been
>>wronged by another coach.  But, generally they stick up for each
>>other.  I don't see how anyone could possibly know what kind of
>>Head Coach Pelini will be.  Because he has never been one no one
>>has anything to go on.  There is no track record.  I am not
>>against Pelini and am not going to unduly and hopefully not
>>unfairly criticize him.  But, I haven't seen anything yet to
>>completely hop on the bandwagon either.
>
> If memory serves, Dr. Tom had never been a head coach at any level nor had 
> he coached at any level at any other university.
>
> Please correct me if my memory has skipped a beat.
>
> Steve Stone
>
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From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Fri Dec 28 19:34:19 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Fri Dec 28 19:21:21 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
Message-ID: <19366170.1198892059594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Come on Bob, take a swing. I know we should have hired that 10 year veteran coach with the 100% winning record. And who would have that been. 

In the mean time get off the fence. We all know what you think of Pelini but you have to hedge your bet just in case- God forbid - this works out.

I don't care who the coach is. I'll be on the front seat of the bandwagon until it crashes and I'll hop right on the next one.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: baseballguy@neb.rr.com
>Sent: Dec 28, 2007 1:59 PM
>To: Husker List <husker@tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [Husker] Article
>
>
>
>***** ORIGINAL Robert Christensen MESSAGE FOLLOWS *****
>
>Well Bob, we had a "proven head coach" these last 4 years and it 
>was a 
>complete disaster. The only thing about that great experiment 
>that 
>surprised me is how long a lot of the "WCO guru's" to admit it 
>was a 
>mistake.  I am a lot more comfortable with the "unproven" Coach 
>Pelini 
>than I ever was with Callahan and company and I think there are a 
>lot of 
>other fans nationwide that are too.
>
>It seems like your still wanting to stay on the Callahan band 
>wagon.  
>Its a fact, Pederson is gone, Callahan is gone, and Nebraska is a 
>lot 
>better because they are FINALLY gone!
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>In response to Robert Christensen <rchriste@threeriver.net> 
>message on 28-December-2007 11:55:33a
>
>
>     I am totally cognizant of the fact that not everyone works 
>out everytime in all situations.  But, job situations are 
>typically filled by those with experience unless there is no one 
>experienced available.  Which I wonder if this wasn't at least 
>partially the position NU and TO were in?  At the same point in 
>time, meaning after Callahan had been on about a month, I was 
>more comfortable with Callahan.  Not only had he been a Head 
>Coach, he had taken a team to the Super Bowl.  Obviously he 
>didn't work out but at the time it didn't look like a bad hire.  
>And, the reason Callahan didn't work out had nothing to do with 
>the WCO.  That part of Callahan's regime seemed to work fine.
>
>
>     What I have possibly could have said that  would lead you to 
>believe I am on the Callahan bandwagon at this point in time?  
>Callahan and Pederson both needed to go and they are gone.  Their 
>reigns were nothing short of disaster.  I have no problem with 
>that statement whatsoever.  As a matter of fact I didn't know I 
>was ever on the Callahan bandwagon other than a few times I stuck 
>up for him like I would any coach.  But, there was no way I knew 
>Callahan would fail less than a month after he was hired any more 
>than I know Pelini will be a success less than a month after he 
>was hired.  
>
>
>     For the record Callhan had to go.  I am not against Pelini 
>but I am not 100% convinced at this point in time either.  Of 
>course, as with any coach, time could very well change that 
>opinion and I hope it does for the good.  At this point I just 
>don't want to swing too hard in either direction.    
>
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Bob Beach
>
>mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
>
>
>
>
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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Fri Dec 28 21:34:18 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Fri Dec 28 21:23:27 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <000301c849a0$7b571a00$6c01a8c0@Husker>
References: <20071228110451.D1596D91C417B9D7@neb.rr.com>
	<p06210208c39b2478d37a@[10.30.5.83]>
	<000301c849a0$7b571a00$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <7342C70E-1555-4263-9843-35643FC780F5@gmail.com>

Consider me on the Pelini bandwagon if for no other reason than he's  
our head coach. He doesn't have head coaching experience, but he sure  
acts and sounds like he wants to be the head coach at Nebraska and  
right now that's good enough for me.

Otherwise.... I think we made the right move in hiring a defensive- 
minded head coach. Look at the Big 12 right now. Other than Oklahoma,  
there isn't a great defense in the conference and every year the  
Sooners compete for the Big 12 title. (Disclaimer: statistically, KU  
has a pretty good defense, but hey, other than Mizzou, what great  
offenses did they play?)

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 28, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Tommy Thompson wrote:

> Callahan had coached, mostly successfully, at many levels prior to  
> coming to Nebraska.  With the exception of his last year in Oakland,  
> his resume looked quite good.
>
> I haven't jumped on the Pelini bandwagon yet either, however, prior  
> coaching experience, whether or not as a Head Coach, does not seem  
> to indicate whether or not a coach will be successful.
>
> I'm hoping for great things...just not getting my hopes too high.
>
> Tommy Thompson
> "GO BIG RED"
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net 
> >
> To: "Husker List" <husker@tssi.com>; <m@gw.tssi.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 4:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [Husker] Article
>
>
>> Bob wrote:
>>
>>>     I am not going to disagree with you on whether coaches know
>>> coaching and what it takes to succeed moreso than someone who has
>>> never been in coaching.  That is a given.  But I also do know the
>>> coaching fraternity is a lot like a good ole boys club.  Rarely
>>> are you ever going to hear one coach criticize another.  The only
>>> time you might hear this is if a coach believes he has been
>>> wronged by another coach.  But, generally they stick up for each
>>> other.  I don't see how anyone could possibly know what kind of
>>> Head Coach Pelini will be.  Because he has never been one no one
>>> has anything to go on.  There is no track record.  I am not
>>> against Pelini and am not going to unduly and hopefully not
>>> unfairly criticize him.  But, I haven't seen anything yet to
>>> completely hop on the bandwagon either.
>>
>> If memory serves, Dr. Tom had never been a head coach at any level  
>> nor had he coached at any level at any other university.
>>
>> Please correct me if my memory has skipped a beat.
>>
>> Steve Stone
>>
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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Fri Dec 28 22:03:23 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Fri Dec 28 21:51:24 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <p06210208c39b2478d37a@[10.30.5.83]>
Message-ID: <20071228220323.49405DA3C34CA26C@neb.rr.com>

***** ORIGINAL "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> MESSAGE 
FOLLOWS *****


If memory serves, Dr. Tom had never been a head coach at any 
level 
nor had he coached at any level at any other university.

Please correct me if my memory has skipped a beat.

Steve Stone



In response to "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> message on 
28-December-2007 4:11:21p


     No your memory has not skipped a beat but since TO was 
Devaney's hand picked successor Devaney prepared TO for being a 
Head Coach as did TO prepare Solich.  Please explain who prepared 
Pelini to be a Head Coach.


Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>

From sklarbodds at cox.net  Fri Dec 28 22:15:50 2007
From: sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Fri Dec 28 22:03:51 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071228220323.49405DA3C34CA26C@neb.rr.com>
References: <p06210208c39b2478d37a@[10.30.5.83]>
	<20071228220323.49405DA3C34CA26C@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <005001c849d1$7f594b10$7e0be130$@net>

Bunch o' nobodys like Seifert, Carroll, Sherman, Solich, Stoops, and Miles.

It sucks that he's never had any good bosses to learn from.

--
Skylar
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of
> baseballguy@neb.rr.com
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:03 PM
> To: Husker List
> Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
> 
> ***** ORIGINAL "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> MESSAGE
> FOLLOWS *****
> 
> 
> If memory serves, Dr. Tom had never been a head coach at any
> level
> nor had he coached at any level at any other university.
> 
> Please correct me if my memory has skipped a beat.
> 
> Steve Stone
> 
> 
> 
> In response to "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> message on
> 28-December-2007 4:11:21p
> 
> 
>      No your memory has not skipped a beat but since TO was
> Devaney's hand picked successor Devaney prepared TO for being a
> Head Coach as did TO prepare Solich.  Please explain who prepared
> Pelini to be a Head Coach.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Bob Beach
> 
> mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
> 
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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Fri Dec 28 22:22:26 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Fri Dec 28 22:10:25 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <19366170.1198892059594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20071228222226.348C12827C07B49D@neb.rr.com>

***** ORIGINAL Mike and Kel <mikelp73@peoplepc.com> MESSAGE 
FOLLOWS *****

>>Come on Bob, take a swing. I know we should have hired that 10 
year veteran coach with the 100% winning record. And who would 
have that been. 


     Why do you have to be a SA?  You know as well as I know no 
one has 100% winning record let alone over 10 years.  Can't we 
even have a discussion here without a swipe at me?  If I indeed 
took a swing you wouldn't want to know what I was indeed swinging 
at.  


>>In the mean time get off the fence. We all know what you think 
of Pelini but you have to hedge your bet just in case- God forbid 
- this works out.


    It probably will work out more than likely because I don't 
think it will.  I am always wrong and that should be enough fuel 
for the Pelini band wagon jumpers to feel good.  I love Pelini as 
a Defensive Coordinator.  I thnk he is one of the best defensive 
minds in the country.  But, Head Coach is a totally different 
deal.  This is the Univerversity of Nebraska.  I have been told 
on this list it is the most storied program in the history of 
college football.  If indeed that is the case why do we have to 
settle for less than the best?  Why can't the greatest program 
ever just name their Head Caoch from the group lining up at the 
door?  How many programs out there needing a Head Coach would 
turn to Bo Pelini as their number one pick?  I think it says a 
lot he hasn't been a Head Coach to this point.  But as I said I 
am sure he will win nine million games at NU and make people 
forget about Tom Osborne because I am usually wrong.


>>I don't care who the coach is. I'll be on the front seat of the 
bandwagon until it crashes and I'll hop right on the next one.


I assume you said the same thing about Callahan.



Bob Beach
From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Fri Dec 28 22:34:10 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Fri Dec 28 22:22:11 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <005001c849d1$7f594b10$7e0be130$@net>
Message-ID: <20071228223410.C6E5E14AB187FAD5@neb.rr.com>


***** ORIGINAL "Skylar Dodds" <sklarbodds@cox.net> MESSAGE 
FOLLOWS *****

Bunch o' nobodys like Seifert, Carroll, Sherman, Solich, Stoops, 
and Miles.

It sucks that he's never had any good bosses to learn from.

--
Skylar
mailto: sklarbodds@cox.net



In response to "Skylar Dodds" <sklarbodds@cox.net> message on 28-
December-2007 10:15:50p

   You and I both know we are talking about two different things. 
 On one hand we are talking about a guy being an assistant coach 
under a great Head Coach or Coaches.  On the other hand we are 
talking about a guy being hand picked and groomed for the 
subsequent Head Coaching job and shown the ropes.  Devaney knew 
TO was going to be his replacement.  TO knew, or at least hoped, 
Solich was going to be his replacement and they were groomed 
accordingly.  I doubt Seifert, Carroll, Sherman, Solich, Stoops, 
and Miles were grooming Pelini to be the next Head Coach.  If 
they were they failed miserably because Pelini moved on.  
Learning football is one thing.  Learning how to be a Head Coach 
is an entirely different thing.

Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>





From rchriste at threeriver.net  Fri Dec 28 22:46:52 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Fri Dec 28 22:36:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071228125934.5BE5CD169AEA8556@neb.rr.com>
References: <20071228125934.5BE5CD169AEA8556@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4775D13C.7080900@threeriver.net>

I guess I am just not as aware of things as you are Bob.  I never was a 
fan of Callahan for a couple of reasons.  First, he took someone elses 
team to a Superbowl, then coached that same team to a pathetic record 
the following year.  Second, he never seemed to me to be on board with 
any kind of Husker Tradition.  Probably one of the additional reasons 
was I had so much loathing for Pederson and the way he screwed up the 
entire coaching situation from the firing a 9-3 coach to going more than 
40 days without a hire that I couldn't in good conscious support 
anything that person did or said.

I also am not as on board of your vast knowledge of what it takes to be 
a Head Coach.  Maybe its a gut feeling that Pelini will do well here.  
Maybe its a trust that the athletic department and especially the AD 
chair are in trustworthy hands now.  But I do think this is a great 
hire.  Of course, if it proves wrong, I'm sure there will be several 
posters that can point that out to me and the rest of the board. *smile*

When I look around at the "proven head coaches" that you seem to think 
might have been lined up for the Nebraska job.  I'm not sure any of them 
are really all that good.  Notre Dame has a storied coach.  aTm had a 
storied coach (actually a couple of them over the years in Sherrill and 
the one that just left) and both of them came up short of expectations.  
I will take Pelini overall the others I have read about with a possible 
exception of Turner Gill.  And I actually think those were the only two 
that were serious contenders for the Husker Head Coach.

Bob

baseballguy@neb.rr.com wrote:
> ***** ORIGINAL Robert Christensen MESSAGE FOLLOWS *****
>
> Well Bob, we had a "proven head coach" these last 4 years and it 
> was a 
> complete disaster. The only thing about that great experiment 
> that 
> surprised me is how long a lot of the "WCO guru's" to admit it 
> was a 
> mistake.  I am a lot more comfortable with the "unproven" Coach 
> Pelini 
> than I ever was with Callahan and company and I think there are a 
> lot of 
> other fans nationwide that are too.
>
> It seems like your still wanting to stay on the Callahan band 
> wagon.  
> Its a fact, Pederson is gone, Callahan is gone, and Nebraska is a 
> lot 
> better because they are FINALLY gone!
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> In response to Robert Christensen <rchriste@threeriver.net> 
> message on 28-December-2007 11:55:33a
>
>
>      I am totally cognizant of the fact that not everyone works 
> out everytime in all situations.  But, job situations are 
> typically filled by those with experience unless there is no one 
> experienced available.  Which I wonder if this wasn't at least 
> partially the position NU and TO were in?  At the same point in 
> time, meaning after Callahan had been on about a month, I was 
> more comfortable with Callahan.  Not only had he been a Head 
> Coach, he had taken a team to the Super Bowl.  Obviously he 
> didn't work out but at the time it didn't look like a bad hire.  
> And, the reason Callahan didn't work out had nothing to do with 
> the WCO.  That part of Callahan's regime seemed to work fine.
>
>
>      What I have possibly could have said that  would lead you to 
> believe I am on the Callahan bandwagon at this point in time?  
> Callahan and Pederson both needed to go and they are gone.  Their 
> reigns were nothing short of disaster.  I have no problem with 
> that statement whatsoever.  As a matter of fact I didn't know I 
> was ever on the Callahan bandwagon other than a few times I stuck 
> up for him like I would any coach.  But, there was no way I knew 
> Callahan would fail less than a month after he was hired any more 
> than I know Pelini will be a success less than a month after he 
> was hired.  
>
>
>      For the record Callhan had to go.  I am not against Pelini 
> but I am not 100% convinced at this point in time either.  Of 
> course, as with any coach, time could very well change that 
> opinion and I hope it does for the good.  At this point I just 
> don't want to swing too hard in either direction.    
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bob Beach
>
> mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>   


From dkarre at comcast.net  Fri Dec 28 22:53:37 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Fri Dec 28 22:40:46 2007
Subject: [Husker] Turning the Tide?
Message-ID: <4775D2D1.3010301@comcast.net>

NU has picked up a couple of commitments in the past few days, to bring 
the 2008 crop to 17. Keelan Johnson, S/RB (depending on which service 
you pay attention to) out of Mesa, AZ, and Quintin Toailoa, DT from 
Redlands, CA.
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From Kaufsss at aol.com  Fri Dec 28 23:08:41 2007
From: Kaufsss at aol.com (Kaufsss@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 28 22:56:42 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
Message-ID: <c5d.23fc0305.34a73059@aol.com>

Oh countrair Mr. Contrarian(sp.. is it even words???) ... All most on the  
list are saying is we see the glass half full... and you of course see it half  
empty- I think Pelini was a good choice - as good as any out there - 
especially  for Nebraska.  Of course he can fail - of course the hype is too big( I  
have seen questions into College Gameday like "will the huskers win a MNC next  
year" answer NO)  but I like the direction we seem to be headed.  Can  we all 
agree on that?  Is there anyone ( including Bob) that sees this as a  bad 
hire?  If it is ....why? 
 
Steve  Kauf
A Husker fan deep in South Texas
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From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Sat Dec 29 00:05:06 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Fri Dec 28 23:52:27 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071228220323.49405DA3C34CA26C@neb.rr.com>
References: <20071228220323.49405DA3C34CA26C@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <p0621020cc39b93442c31@[10.30.5.83]>

Bob wrote:

>      No your memory has not skipped a beat but since TO was
>Devaney's hand picked successor Devaney prepared TO for being a
>Head Coach as did TO prepare Solich.  Please explain who prepared
>Pelini to be a Head Coach.


In reverse order, Les Miles, Bob Stoops, Frank Solich, and almost 
every other head coach he's worked for.

It's not called a "coaching fraternity" for nothing.

Steve Stone

From george.rapp at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 07:51:59 2007
From: george.rapp at gmail.com (George Rapp)
Date: Sat Dec 29 07:39:06 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <c5d.23fc0305.34a73059@aol.com>
References: <c5d.23fc0305.34a73059@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f1f3dd8f0712290551h22527b5aoacf0acd3487d7037@mail.gmail.com>

On Dec 29, 2007 12:08 AM, <Kaufsss@aol.com> wrote:

> I think Pelini was a good choice - as good as any out there -
> especially  for Nebraska.  Of course he can fail - of course the hype is
> too big( I
> have seen questions into College Gameday like "will the huskers win a MNC
> next
> year" answer NO)  but I like the direction we seem to be headed.
>

One unintended consequence -- or maybe not -- of the Pelini hire is that Bo
and Kirk Herbstreit were teammates at tOSU for two years.  Herbie is the
most consistently anti-'Husker voice of the trio on College Gameday, but
maybe not so much in the future given that Bo is our head coach.

George
-- 
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    Work: george.rapp -- at -- eds.com (or) george.rapp -- at -- dfas.mil
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape
    finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.  - Marcus Aurelius
From j.harmon at tcu.edu  Sat Dec 29 09:27:01 2007
From: j.harmon at tcu.edu (Harmon, Josh)
Date: Sat Dec 29 09:15:47 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
References: <c5d.23fc0305.34a73059@aol.com>
	<f1f3dd8f0712290551h22527b5aoacf0acd3487d7037@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE1DD769FF81C643AC7FBE5262A9DDFC01F66E0B@FSMAILLK2A.tcu.edu>

Interesting, but I wonder why I care about Kirk's opinion.  Does it affect recruiting in your opinion?
 
Josh

________________________________

From: husker-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of George Rapp
Sent: Sat 12/29/2007 7:51 AM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article



One unintended consequence -- or maybe not -- of the Pelini hire is that Bo
and Kirk Herbstreit were teammates at tOSU for two years.  Herbie is the
most consistently anti-'Husker voice of the trio on College Gameday, but
maybe not so much in the future given that Bo is our head coach.

George



From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 29 10:09:22 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Sat Dec 29 09:57:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruit
Message-ID: <20071229100922.31AE965128D7C7AF@neb.rr.com>



     Huskers land a recruit.


http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/29/huskerextra/football/doc4775ee66d55cb700562148.txt



Sincerely,

Bob Beach
mailto:baseballguy@neb.rr.com


From george.rapp at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 10:20:55 2007
From: george.rapp at gmail.com (George Rapp)
Date: Sat Dec 29 10:08:01 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <CE1DD769FF81C643AC7FBE5262A9DDFC01F66E0B@FSMAILLK2A.tcu.edu>
References: <c5d.23fc0305.34a73059@aol.com>
	<f1f3dd8f0712290551h22527b5aoacf0acd3487d7037@mail.gmail.com>
	<CE1DD769FF81C643AC7FBE5262A9DDFC01F66E0B@FSMAILLK2A.tcu.edu>
Message-ID: <f1f3dd8f0712290820x1f9bbb57ka168bafc4b29cfc4@mail.gmail.com>

On Dec 29, 2007 10:27 AM, Harmon, Josh <j.harmon@tcu.edu> wrote:

> Interesting, but I wonder why I care about Kirk's opinion.  Does it affect
> recruiting in your opinion?
>

Like him or hate him, Herbstreit has a big megaphone.  ESPN owns college
football coverage (14+ hours every Saturday), and Herbie is a big part of
their team.  I'm not asking him to love Nebraska, but he could stop saying
nasty things about us (e.g. 2001 "don't vote Nebraska #2 -- they don't
deserve it") and I wouldn't mind.

Recruiting is a subject I can't touch.  I didn't know my own state of mind
in high school, so I have no business trying to get into the minds of high
school kids who aren't me.  8^)

George
-- 
  George Rapp  (Columbus, OH) Home: george.rapp -- at -- gmail.com
    Work: george.rapp -- at -- eds.com (or) george.rapp -- at -- dfas.mil
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape
    finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.  - Marcus Aurelius
From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sat Dec 29 10:29:11 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sat Dec 29 10:16:20 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
References: <20071228223410.C6E5E14AB187FAD5@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6A4A24A747AD4DE7A4BF667B8BEDFFBC@tony01a1ef96dc>

Bob Wrote: On the other hand we are
talking about a guy being hand picked and groomed for the
subsequent Head Coaching job and shown the ropes.

Bob, How do you know that coach Les Miles was not showing Bo the ropes ?
Have you been to the meetings that the coaches have ?
Have you been there in the the one to one meetings ?
You are just Assuming that he has not been shown the ropes as you say.


Tony Lambert

--------------------------------------------------
From: <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:34 PM
To: "'Huskers List'" <husker@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article

>
> ***** ORIGINAL "Skylar Dodds" <sklarbodds@cox.net> MESSAGE
> FOLLOWS *****
>
> Bunch o' nobodys like Seifert, Carroll, Sherman, Solich, Stoops,
> and Miles.
>
> It sucks that he's never had any good bosses to learn from.
>
> --
> Skylar
> mailto: sklarbodds@cox.net
>
>
>
> In response to "Skylar Dodds" <sklarbodds@cox.net> message on 28-
> December-2007 10:15:50p
>
>   You and I both know we are talking about two different things.
> On one hand we are talking about a guy being an assistant coach
> under a great Head Coach or Coaches.  On the other hand we are
> talking about a guy being hand picked and groomed for the
> subsequent Head Coaching job and shown the ropes.  Devaney knew
> TO was going to be his replacement.  TO knew, or at least hoped,
> Solich was going to be his replacement and they were groomed
> accordingly.  I doubt Seifert, Carroll, Sherman, Solich, Stoops,
> and Miles were grooming Pelini to be the next Head Coach.  If
> they were they failed miserably because Pelini moved on.
> Learning football is one thing.  Learning how to be a Head Coach
> is an entirely different thing.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bob Beach
>
> mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
>
>
>
>
>
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> problem appears to be on their end.
> 

From dkarre at comcast.net  Sat Dec 29 10:30:18 2007
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sat Dec 29 10:17:28 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <c5d.23fc0305.34a73059@aol.com>
References: <c5d.23fc0305.34a73059@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4776761A.8020904@comcast.net>

Kaufsss@aol.com wrote:
Is there anyone ( including Bob) that sees this as a  bad  hire?  If it 
is ....why?

And who (among the available coaches) would have been a demonstrably 
better hire?
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 29 11:01:24 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Sat Dec 29 10:49:21 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <6A4A24A747AD4DE7A4BF667B8BEDFFBC@tony01a1ef96dc>
Message-ID: <20071229110124.3A0BCEDCFA69F710@neb.rr.com>






***** ORIGINAL "Tony Lambert" <slimmer37@hamilton.net> MESSAGE 
FOLLOWS *****


Bob, How do you know that coach Les Miles was not showing Bo the 
ropes ?
Have you been to the meetings that the coaches have ?
Have you been there in the the one to one meetings ?
You are just Assuming that he has not been shown the ropes as you 
say.


Tony Lambert




In response to "Tony Lambert" <slimmer37@hamilton.net> message on 
29-December-2007 10:29:11a

     You're are right.  I don't know that for a fact.  But, you 
don't know he WAS shown the ropes either unless you were sitting 
in on the meetings.  What I was going on was what was made 
public.  It was pretty much accepted that when Devaney retired TO 
would be the successor and Solich after TO.  Solich even carried 
the title Assistant Head Coach the last several years of TO's 
reign.  There was time and purpose to get these guys ready so it 
would be a smooth transition.  Miles would have had no apparent 
reason to groom Pelini for Head Coach at LSU.  Miles, at least 
publically, wouldn't have thought he was going anywhere for some 
time.  That and a coach going to a different program or a guy 
that is not close to retirement isn't usually interested in the 
"pass the torch" situation as is a coach that sees retirement on 
the horizon.  The Devaney to TO and the TO to Solich situations 
are not the same situation LSU was in this year.  But, you are 
right I don't absolutely know.  

Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>





From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sat Dec 29 11:27:04 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sat Dec 29 11:14:11 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
References: <20071229110124.3A0BCEDCFA69F710@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5E7489314E2344C897A2F0BC1B2BBC88@tony01a1ef96dc>

Bob, you are correct in that Devaney knew he was going to retire and started 
grooming Osborne.
and TO did the same with Solich. At some point Pelini has known he wanted to 
be a HC. Now I'm assuming here. That Pelini has told his bosses that he 
wants to be a HC. So does his boss or bosses start prepping him ? Also TO is 
AD so let's again assume that TO will take him under the wing so to speak.





Tony Lambert

--------------------------------------------------
From: <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:01 AM
To: "'Huskers List'" <husker@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article

>
>
>
>
>
> ***** ORIGINAL "Tony Lambert" <slimmer37@hamilton.net> MESSAGE
> FOLLOWS *****
>
>
> Bob, How do you know that coach Les Miles was not showing Bo the
> ropes ?
> Have you been to the meetings that the coaches have ?
> Have you been there in the the one to one meetings ?
> You are just Assuming that he has not been shown the ropes as you
> say.
>
>
> Tony Lambert
>
>
>
>
> In response to "Tony Lambert" <slimmer37@hamilton.net> message on
> 29-December-2007 10:29:11a
>
>     You're are right.  I don't know that for a fact.  But, you
> don't know he WAS shown the ropes either unless you were sitting
> in on the meetings.  What I was going on was what was made
> public.  It was pretty much accepted that when Devaney retired TO
> would be the successor and Solich after TO.  Solich even carried
> the title Assistant Head Coach the last several years of TO's
> reign.  There was time and purpose to get these guys ready so it
> would be a smooth transition.  Miles would have had no apparent
> reason to groom Pelini for Head Coach at LSU.  Miles, at least
> publically, wouldn't have thought he was going anywhere for some
> time.  That and a coach going to a different program or a guy
> that is not close to retirement isn't usually interested in the
> "pass the torch" situation as is a coach that sees retirement on
> the horizon.  The Devaney to TO and the TO to Solich situations
> are not the same situation LSU was in this year.  But, you are
> right I don't absolutely know.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bob Beach
>
> mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.  The 
> problem appears to be on their end.
> 

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 29 11:30:00 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Sat Dec 29 11:18:02 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <4776761A.8020904@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20071229113000.8FEA4803499A04BE@neb.rr.com>

***** ORIGINAL Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> MESSAGE FOLLOWS 
*****

Kaufsss@aol.com wrote:
Is there anyone ( including Bob) that sees this as a bad hire? If 
it 
is ....why?

And who (among the available coaches) would have been a 
demonstrably 
better hire?
-- 
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net



In response to Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> message on 29-
December-2007 10:30:18a

     I assume you are talking about the Pelini hire?  I have gone 
on record several times as saying I am lukewarm on the hire.  I 
don't think it was a bad hire but with the reputation NU 
supposedly has I would have thought we could have gotten a name 
Head Coach.  It appears that at least three of them would have 
been available.  Those being Rich Rodriguez, Turner Gill, and 
Paul Johnson.  I can't prove this but I have a gut feeling there 
never was a coaching "search".  I think it was Pelini's for the 
taking the whole time.  The rest of the "interviews" were pretty 
much token.  That is my opinion anyway and that is just my 
opinion.  I am not representing it as fact.  


     Maybe I should ask a reverse question.  What is on Pelini's 
resume that makes one believe he would be a good to great Head 
Coach at the most storied program in the history of college 
football?  I didn't say Defensive Coordinator.  I said Head 
Coach.  I am also on record as saying Bo could coach my defense 
any day of the week.  Don't push this farther than I am going.  
If anyone says I don't like Pelini or I wish they never would 
have hired him or the like that just isn't true.  I am NOT saying 
that.  I am just saying at this point in time I have nothing to 
base any feeling on one way or another.  I am not predicting 
success for Pelini as Head Coach nor am I predicting failure.  It 
is just way too early to tell with Pelini never having been in 
this position before.  


Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>





From marklandin at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 11:46:50 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Sat Dec 29 11:33:56 2007
Subject: [Husker] Turning the Tide?
In-Reply-To: <4775D2D1.3010301@comcast.net>
References: <4775D2D1.3010301@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16ee270e0712290946v69258eb0s8d61e3283282688d@mail.gmail.com>

Good news on Quentin.

Keelan had verballed back in July. Perhaps he had waffled..?

On Dec 28, 2007 10:53 PM, Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote:
> NU has picked up a couple of commitments in the past few days, to bring
> the 2008 crop to 17. Keelan Johnson, S/RB (depending on which service
> you pay attention to) out of Mesa, AZ, and Quintin Toailoa, DT from
> Redlands, CA.
> --
> Dick Karre
> dkarre@comcast.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.  The problem appears to be on their end.
>



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would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 29 11:49:54 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Sat Dec 29 11:37:52 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <5E7489314E2344C897A2F0BC1B2BBC88@tony01a1ef96dc>
Message-ID: <20071229114954.DA3F6FAE85A2FE57@neb.rr.com>

***** ORIGINAL "Tony Lambert" <slimmer37@hamilton.net> MESSAGE 
FOLLOWS *****

Bob, you are correct in that Devaney knew he was going to retire 
and started 
grooming Osborne.
and TO did the same with Solich. At some point Pelini has known 
he wanted to 
be a HC. Now I'm assuming here. That Pelini has told his bosses 
that he 
wants to be a HC. So does his boss or bosses start prepping him ? 
Also TO is 
AD so let's again assume that TO will take him under the wing so 
to speak.





In response to "Tony Lambert" <slimmer37@hamilton.net> message on 
29-December-2007 11:27:04a


    You make a good point and what you say may have happened.  I 
guess I just see a retiring Head Coach grooming someone to "pass 
the torch" to as being a totally different situation than a Head 
Coach that has an Assistant that desires to be a Head Coach.  For 
one thing the retiring coach has a compelling reason to get his 
hand picked successor ready.  On the other hand it is totally 
different thing in handling an Assistant that just feels he would 
like to go somewhere and be the Head man.  


     I believe TO will be a positive influence in the transition 
to Pelini.  The big thing is, as has been discussed before, TO is 
AD and not Director of Football Operations.  At some point he is 
going to have to turn his attention to other sports as well.  
Very few ADs get involved in the day to day handling of a given 
sports team.  Most ADs feel that is why they have a Head Coach to 
take care of those things.  I am sure if Pelini seeks him out TO 
will be there but I doubt you are going to see TO at practice 
every day, at team meetings, and etc.  If he is indeed going to 
do that he just should have coached himself.  Come to think of it 
I would have been on that bandwagon big time.  :-)  


Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>





From huskertt at charter.net  Sat Dec 29 11:54:15 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Sat Dec 29 11:46:12 2007
Subject: [Husker] McCloughan new 49er GM?
Message-ID: <007401c84a43$d4e5bfb0$6c01a8c0@Husker>

Scot McCloughan, son of former Husker great Kent McCloughan, has possibly been named the new GM of the 49ers.  

http://tinyurl.com/2kz32g

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
From arossman at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 29 12:19:05 2007
From: arossman at earthlink.net (Andrew Smith)
Date: Sat Dec 29 12:06:20 2007
Subject: [Husker] Showing the ropes
In-Reply-To: <6A4A24A747AD4DE7A4BF667B8BEDFFBC@tony01a1ef96dc>
References: <20071228223410.C6E5E14AB187FAD5@neb.rr.com>
	<6A4A24A747AD4DE7A4BF667B8BEDFFBC@tony01a1ef96dc>
Message-ID: <47768F99.2000307@earthlink.net>

I find this "showing the ropes" concept a bit comical.
(1) There's no secret "ropes" that a head coach hides from all but his 
chosen successor.  If you're one of the top coaches of a team, you see 
the "ropes" every day you work with the team and the other coaches.
(2) The only way to fully see the "ropes" is to be a head coach.  I'm 
not convinces that being an assistant head coach shows you much more of 
the "ropes" than being, for example, the defensive coach IMHO.  The 
other coaches are not going to see you and treat you as a head coach 
unless you ARE the ultimate decision maker for the team AND their 
continued employment, and you're not going to fully understand what it 
takes to be a head coach until you have those responsibilities.

Further thoughts...

I'm fairly certain that coaches grooming their successors is NOT the 
norm.  Most head coaches get their first such position by switching schools.

I agree that getting a SUCCESSFUL head coach from another IA team would 
provide a greater degree of confidence that they were up to the job, but 
there aren't a lot of those available and interested.  More important, 
it is my understanding that there are quite a few coaches (and players) 
with connections to TO, and whom he trusts, that can provide insight to 
Bo's personality and abilities.  That provides a certain degree of 
confidence that may be as valuable as the former.

Andy


Tony Lambert wrote:
> Bob Wrote: On the other hand we are
> talking about a guy being hand picked and groomed for the
> subsequent Head Coaching job and shown the ropes.
>
> Bob, How do you know that coach Les Miles was not showing Bo the ropes ?
> Have you been to the meetings that the coaches have ?
> Have you been there in the the one to one meetings ?
> You are just Assuming that he has not been shown the ropes as you say.
>
>
> Tony Lambert
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:34 PM
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>>
>> ***** ORIGINAL "Skylar Dodds" <sklarbodds@cox.net> MESSAGE
>> FOLLOWS *****
>>
>> Bunch o' nobodys like Seifert, Carroll, Sherman, Solich, Stoops,
>> and Miles.
>>
>> It sucks that he's never had any good bosses to learn from.
>>
>> -- 
>> Skylar
>> mailto: sklarbodds@cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>> In response to "Skylar Dodds" <sklarbodds@cox.net> message on 28-
>> December-2007 10:15:50p
>>
>>   You and I both know we are talking about two different things.
>> On one hand we are talking about a guy being an assistant coach
>> under a great Head Coach or Coaches.  On the other hand we are
>> talking about a guy being hand picked and groomed for the
>> subsequent Head Coaching job and shown the ropes.  Devaney knew
>> TO was going to be his replacement.  TO knew, or at least hoped,
>> Solich was going to be his replacement and they were groomed
>> accordingly.  I doubt Seifert, Carroll, Sherman, Solich, Stoops,
>> and Miles were grooming Pelini to be the next Head Coach.  If
>> they were they failed miserably because Pelini moved on.
>> Learning football is one thing.  Learning how to be a Head Coach
>> is an entirely different thing.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Bob Beach
>>
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From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sat Dec 29 12:19:13 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sat Dec 29 12:06:30 2007
Subject: [Husker] Walk on
Message-ID: <6BACDE9D249E4AE6B05C7AE8B636F2BD@tony01a1ef96dc>

Question for the people that live in Lincoln. has anyone seen the new walk on Ebke play while in high school ?
Was he impressive or just so so. I have seen Leverson play in Hastings this year and thought for a D1 recruit he would dominate
the game but that was not the case.


Tony Lambert
From fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 29 13:57:06 2007
From: fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com (Bob Fancher)
Date: Sat Dec 29 13:44:02 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <p0621020cc39b93442c31@[10.30.5.83]>
Message-ID: <106746.2524.qm@web34311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You know, Bob Stoops had NO head coaching experience
before taking the OU job. I think we all hope Pelini
does as well for us as Stoops did for the Sooners. 


--- Steve Stone <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> wrote:

> Bob wrote:
> 
> >      No your memory has not skipped a beat but
> since TO was
> >Devaney's hand picked successor Devaney prepared TO
> for being a
> >Head Coach as did TO prepare Solich.  Please
> explain who prepared
> >Pelini to be a Head Coach.
> 
> 
> In reverse order, Les Miles, Bob Stoops, Frank
> Solich, and almost 
> every other head coach he's worked for.
> 
> It's not called a "coaching fraternity" for nothing.
> 
> Steve Stone
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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 29 14:12:17 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Sat Dec 29 14:00:18 2007
Subject: [Husker] Showing the ropes
In-Reply-To: <47768F99.2000307@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20071229141217.0D63C2E74A133B8E@neb.rr.com>



***** ORIGINAL "Andrew Smith" <arossman@earthlink.net> MESSAGE 
FOLLOWS *****

>>I find this "showing the ropes" concept a bit comical.
(1) There's no secret "ropes" that a head coach hides from all 
but his 
chosen successor.  If you're one of the top coaches of a team, 
you see 
the "ropes" every day you work with the team and the other 
coaches.



     It might be comical and if one gets a good laugh that's 
good.  There is not enough laughter in the world today.  But, the 
role of a Head Coach and the role of an Assistant Coach are as 
different as day and night in Div-IA college football.  There are 
no secret ropes but an assistant doesn't experience the things a 
Head Coach does.  He probably knows what the Head Coach does just 
like we pretty much know but until you experience something you 
can't know as personal experience.  Pretty much the role of an 
Assistant Coach is totally football related such as the game 
plan, technique, and getting the team emotionally ready to play 
just to name a few.  The Head Coach's position includes things on 
the football field but goes way beyond just things on the 
football field or in the meeting rooms.  You have to meet the 
media, the boosters, do radio and TV, be called on to speak here 
and speak there, be responsible for recruiting, and etc.  In 
other words the Head Coach is the face of the program.  It isn't 
as much hiding things from the assistants.  It is just unless you 
are grooming someone you may not include them on just everything. 
 



>>(2) The only way to fully see the "ropes" is to be a head 
coach.


     
     Amen!



 >>I'm not convinced that being an assistant head coach shows you 
much more of 
the "ropes" than being, for example, the defensive coach IMHO.  
The 
other coaches are not going to see you and treat you as a head 
coach 
unless you ARE the ultimate decision maker for the team AND their 
continued employment, and you're not going to fully understand 
what it 
takes to be a head coach until you have those responsibilities.



     I agree just the title doesn't make any difference or show 
you more.  But it does make a difference the intent of the Head 
Coach.  If the Head Coach walks in and says so and so is the next 
Head Coach and should be treated as such because he will be 
working hand in hand with me it would make a difference.  It has 
been announced at Florida State that Jimbo Fisher will be the 
next Head Coach when Bobby Bowden steps aside.  Now that might be 
another 100 years :-) but I would guess with that announcement 
two things at least will change and possibly Fisher's title which 
is now Offensive Coordinator.  I would think the rest of the 
assistants would view Fisher differently knowing one day he will 
be their boss and I would also think Fisher would be working with 
Bowden hand in hand so when Bowden steps aside the transition 
will be smooth.


Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>



From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 29 14:24:53 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Sat Dec 29 14:12:51 2007
Subject: [Husker] Head Coaching
Message-ID: <20071229142453.41B4BB9525C4C231@neb.rr.com>


--- Steve Stone <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> wrote:

> Bob wrote:
> 
> >      No your memory has not skipped a beat but
> since TO was
> >Devaney's hand picked successor Devaney prepared TO
> for being a
> >Head Coach as did TO prepare Solich.  Please
> explain who prepared
> >Pelini to be a Head Coach.
> 
> 
> In reverse order, Les Miles, Bob Stoops, Frank
> Solich, and almost 
> every other head coach he's worked for.
> 
> It's not called a "coaching fraternity" for nothing.
> 
> Steve Stone



    

     I think we are beginning to split hairs here.  My question 
wasn't what staffs was Pelini on that had good to great Head 
Coaches?  If that is all it took there would be people qualified 
to be Head Coaches all over the place.  My question was more what 
coach directly took Pelini in to groom him to be the next Head 
Coach as TO did Solich?  I am not of the opinion a person is 
qualified to be a Head Coach just because he spent time on a 
great Head Coach's staff.  If that were the case everyone that 
ever coached under Bear Bryant should have made brilliant Head 
Coaches or insert any great coach's name one chooses.


Bob Beach

From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 29 15:20:38 2007
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Sat Dec 29 15:07:35 2007
Subject: [Husker] ESPN:  Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA
Message-ID: <342155.95937.qm@web38113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

ESPN is reporting that Rick Neuheisal will be named
head coach at UCLA.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3172713

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From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 29 15:34:33 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Sat Dec 29 15:22:31 2007
Subject: [Husker] Skippy
Message-ID: <20071229153433.5951BB4509D99413@neb.rr.com>



     Skippy's back.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3172713



Sincerely,

Bob Beach

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From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Sat Dec 29 16:02:31 2007
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Sat Dec 29 15:49:49 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071229113000.8FEA4803499A04BE@neb.rr.com>
References: <20071229113000.8FEA4803499A04BE@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <p06210200c39c72a5db15@[10.30.5.83]>

Bob wrote:

>(snip)
>      Maybe I should ask a reverse question.  What is on Pelini's
>resume that makes one believe he would be a good to great Head
>Coach at the most storied program in the history of college
>football?  I didn't say Defensive Coordinator.  I said Head
>Coach.  I am also on record as saying Bo could coach my defense
>any day of the week.  Don't push this farther than I am going. 
>If anyone says I don't like Pelini or I wish they never would
>have hired him or the like that just isn't true.  I am NOT saying
>that.  I am just saying at this point in time I have nothing to
>base any feeling on one way or another.  I am not predicting
>success for Pelini as Head Coach nor am I predicting failure.  It
>is just way too early to tell with Pelini never having been in
>this position before.

Contrary to my best instincts, I'm going to use an analogy that I 
like, knowing full well that an analogy is never proof of anything.

An employee is a dog in this respect:

The pedigree is what a dog should be.

Temperament + performance are what he dog actually is.

That is to say, a resume is what an employee should be.

Performance is what an employee actually is.

My interpretation of the only available evidence so far (Alamo Bowl) 
indicates satisfactory performance.

Steve Stone
From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sat Dec 29 16:32:57 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Sat Dec 29 16:20:54 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <p06210200c39c72a5db15@[10.30.5.83]>
Message-ID: <20071229163257.8AA53C4173828800@neb.rr.com>

***** ORIGINAL "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> MESSAGE 
FOLLOWS *****


My interpretation of the only available evidence so far (Alamo 
Bowl) 
indicates satisfactory performance.

Steve Stone



In response to "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> message on 
29-December-2007 4:02:31p

     I know a lot of people use the Alamo Bowl as an example of 
Pelini's Head Coaching ability and it certainly turned out 
successful at least as far as NU winning.  But to me that game 
really is nothing to base anything on at all.  That wasn't Bo's 
players that he recruited to any degree, it wasn't his staff, it 
wasn't his program, and the like.  That was still Solich's team.  
What will be interesting is two or three years from now what  the 
program will be after Bo puts his stamp on it and it is indeed 
his program, his players, his staff, his recruiting, his public 
relations with him as the face of the program, and etc.  That is 
the unknown.  The future is always an unknown to a degree but 
with no track record it is REALLY an unknown.  It may work out 
great and I hope so but who knows at this point?  There are a lot 
of coaches that could take over an already established team the 
last game of the season under an "interim" tag and win a football 
game.  That to me is no indicator of anyone's Head Coaching 
capabilities pro or con.


Sincerely,

Bob Beach

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From huskertt at charter.net  Sat Dec 29 16:30:21 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Sat Dec 29 16:22:16 2007
Subject: [Husker] ESPN:  Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA
References: <342155.95937.qm@web38113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c84a6a$673c6820$6c01a8c0@Husker>

UCLA should be in good shape, then.  Skippy has the UCLA connection, so he 
knows their traditions.  He also has plenty of Head Coaching experience.  I 
imagine USC is shaking in their boots.

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
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Subject: [Husker] ESPN: Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA


> ESPN is reporting that Rick Neuheisal will be named
> head coach at UCLA.
>
> http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3172713
>
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> Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
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From jbudd at qnet.com  Sat Dec 29 16:54:43 2007
From: jbudd at qnet.com (Jerry Budd)
Date: Sat Dec 29 16:42:11 2007
Subject: [Husker] ESPN:  Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA
In-Reply-To: <00b501c84a6a$673c6820$6c01a8c0@Husker>
References: <342155.95937.qm@web38113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<00b501c84a6a$673c6820$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <a06240857c39c7f350da1@[10.0.1.4]>

Until he gets caught again and the Bruins get put on probation.  ;-)

I suspect USC couldn't care less, they seem to be pretty much 
untouchable out here.  Even the NCAA woun't go near the Reggie Bush 
infractions for fear of lawsuit.  It's amazing how much protection 
being the big media draw in a huge market can buy you.

Jerry

>UCLA should be in good shape, then.  Skippy has the UCLA connection, 
>so he knows their traditions.  He also has plenty of Head Coaching 
>experience.  I imagine USC is shaking in their boots.
>
>Tommy Thompson
>"GO BIG RED"
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jaixen" <mikejaixen@yahoo.com>
>To: <husker@tssi.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:20 PM
>Subject: [Husker] ESPN: Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA
>
>>ESPN is reporting that Rick Neuheisal will be named
>>head coach at UCLA.
>>
>>http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3172713
>>
>>Mike Jaixen
>>Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com


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From mikelp73 at peoplepc.com  Sat Dec 29 17:53:26 2007
From: mikelp73 at peoplepc.com (Mike and Kel)
Date: Sat Dec 29 17:40:23 2007
Subject: [Husker] Article
Message-ID: <21728625.1198972406839.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Bob,

By SA I assume you mean supremely articulate? Thanks. My post was meant to stress that no hire was going to be a sure thing. There are none. I think we got the best available that had some history at Nebraska and knows the school and apparently likes it there.

Yes, I did supported Callahan and wanted him to work out. I still hoped for the best until the complete meltdown with Okla St. Mostly i just support the program and will be behind anyone that gives them a chance to be great.

I will " swipe at you " when I disagree with you which is most of the time. You are not always wrong. In fact I remember one time last year when you weren't. If you want to take a swing I'm pretty easy to find. I just hope you are not a real big guy. 

Many of your posts annoy the hell out of me but my resolution for next year will be to become more civil in my replies.

Happy New Year.

Mike

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>To: Husker List <husker@tssi.com>
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>
>***** ORIGINAL Mike and Kel <mikelp73@peoplepc.com> MESSAGE 
>FOLLOWS *****
>
>>>Come on Bob, take a swing. I know we should have hired that 10 
>year veteran coach with the 100% winning record. And who would 
>have that been. 
>
>
>     Why do you have to be a SA?  You know as well as I know no 
>one has 100% winning record let alone over 10 years.  Can't we 
>even have a discussion here without a swipe at me?  If I indeed 
>took a swing you wouldn't want to know what I was indeed swinging 
>at.  
>
>
>>>In the mean time get off the fence. We all know what you think 
>of Pelini but you have to hedge your bet just in case- God forbid 
>- this works out.
>
>
>    It probably will work out more than likely because I don't 
>think it will.  I am always wrong and that should be enough fuel 
>for the Pelini band wagon jumpers to feel good.  I love Pelini as 
>a Defensive Coordinator.  I thnk he is one of the best defensive 
>minds in the country.  But, Head Coach is a totally different 
>deal.  This is the Univerversity of Nebraska.  I have been told 
>on this list it is the most storied program in the history of 
>college football.  If indeed that is the case why do we have to 
>settle for less than the best?  Why can't the greatest program 
>ever just name their Head Caoch from the group lining up at the 
>door?  How many programs out there needing a Head Coach would 
>turn to Bo Pelini as their number one pick?  I think it says a 
>lot he hasn't been a Head Coach to this point.  But as I said I 
>am sure he will win nine million games at NU and make people 
>forget about Tom Osborne because I am usually wrong.
>
>
>>>I don't care who the coach is. I'll be on the front seat of the 
>bandwagon until it crashes and I'll hop right on the next one.
>
>
>I assume you said the same thing about Callahan.
>
>
>
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 29 18:00:11 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Sat Dec 29 17:47:06 2007
Subject: [Husker] ESPN:  Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA
In-Reply-To: <342155.95937.qm@web38113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <484788.60347.qm@web52402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

LOL, welcome to the Pac-less 10. Sheesh. Neuheisal will "take them to
new levels?" LOL. 


--- Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote:

> ESPN is reporting that Rick Neuheisal will be named
> head coach at UCLA.
> 
> http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3172713
> 
> Mike Jaixen
> Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
> 
> 
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From ltillner at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 29 18:02:03 2007
From: ltillner at yahoo.com (Lynette Tillner)
Date: Sat Dec 29 17:48:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] ESPN:  Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA
In-Reply-To: <00b501c84a6a$673c6820$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <485757.9943.qm@web52402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I REALLY DOUBT that USC is shaking in their boots over Skippy going
to UCLA. More like Laughing out Loud! 

LOL! 

--- Tommy Thompson <huskertt@charter.net> wrote:

> UCLA should be in good shape, then.  Skippy has the UCLA
> connection, so he 
> knows their traditions.  He also has plenty of Head Coaching
> experience.  I 
> imagine USC is shaking in their boots.
> 
> Tommy Thompson
> "GO BIG RED"
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Jaixen" <mikejaixen@yahoo.com>
> To: <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:20 PM
> Subject: [Husker] ESPN: Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA
> 
> 
> > ESPN is reporting that Rick Neuheisal will be named
> > head coach at UCLA.
> >
> > http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3172713
> >
> > Mike Jaixen
> > Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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From huskertt at charter.net  Sat Dec 29 20:58:08 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Sat Dec 29 20:50:05 2007
Subject: [Husker] ESPN:  Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA
References: <485757.9943.qm@web52402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00d001c84a8f$cfec5590$6c01a8c0@Husker>

But Lynette...

I keep reading posts about either 1) the HC must be connected to the program 
somehow and know the traditions and 2) the HC must have prior HC experience.

Since Skippy has both, he must be a great hire. (chuckle)


Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
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To: "Tommy Thompson" <huskertt@charter.net>; "Mike Jaixen" 
<mikejaixen@yahoo.com>; <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] ESPN: Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA


>I REALLY DOUBT that USC is shaking in their boots over Skippy going
> to UCLA. More like Laughing out Loud!
>
> LOL!
>
> --- Tommy Thompson <huskertt@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> UCLA should be in good shape, then.  Skippy has the UCLA
>> connection, so he
>> knows their traditions.  He also has plenty of Head Coaching
>> experience.  I
>> imagine USC is shaking in their boots.
>>
>> Tommy Thompson
>> "GO BIG RED"
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Jaixen" <mikejaixen@yahoo.com>
>> To: <husker@tssi.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:20 PM
>> Subject: [Husker] ESPN: Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA
>>
>>
>> > ESPN is reporting that Rick Neuheisal will be named
>> > head coach at UCLA.
>> >
>> > http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3172713
>> >
>> > Mike Jaixen
>> > Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From rchriste at threeriver.net  Sat Dec 29 22:09:07 2007
From: rchriste at threeriver.net (Robert Christensen)
Date: Sat Dec 29 22:00:28 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071229163257.8AA53C4173828800@neb.rr.com>
References: <20071229163257.8AA53C4173828800@neb.rr.com>
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I wouldn't bet that Callahan could have done that at the Alamo Bowl that 
particular year.  From the experience he presented the next year, he 
would have not been willing to use the strengths of the players and it 
would have turned out to be a fiasco.  After all, he could say (like he 
did for most of the time he was at the helm as a "proven" coach that it 
was all Solich's falt.

Happy New Year,

Bob
baseballguy@neb.rr.com wrote:
> ***** ORIGINAL "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> MESSAGE 
> FOLLOWS *****
>
>
> My interpretation of the only available evidence so far (Alamo 
> Bowl) 
> indicates satisfactory performance.
>
> Steve Stone
>
>
>
> In response to "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> message on 
> 29-December-2007 4:02:31p
>
>      I know a lot of people use the Alamo Bowl as an example of 
> Pelini's Head Coaching ability and it certainly turned out 
> successful at least as far as NU winning.  But to me that game 
> really is nothing to base anything on at all.  That wasn't Bo's 
> players that he recruited to any degree, it wasn't his staff, it 
> wasn't his program, and the like.  That was still Solich's team.  
> What will be interesting is two or three years from now what  the 
> program will be after Bo puts his stamp on it and it is indeed 
> his program, his players, his staff, his recruiting, his public 
> relations with him as the face of the program, and etc.  That is 
> the unknown.  The future is always an unknown to a degree but 
> with no track record it is REALLY an unknown.  It may work out 
> great and I hope so but who knows at this point?  There are a lot 
> of coaches that could take over an already established team the 
> last game of the season under an "interim" tag and win a football 
> game.  That to me is no indicator of anyone's Head Coaching 
> capabilities pro or con.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bob Beach
>
> mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
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From huskertt at charter.net  Sat Dec 29 12:01:28 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Sat Dec 29 22:50:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruit
References: <20071229100922.31AE965128D7C7AF@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c84a44$d8fd0030$6c01a8c0@Husker>

Interesting.  Why is he coming to Nebraska?  Is it because of the tradition? 
Is it because of Osborne?  No...it's because of Pelini.

I can't believe that the Husker coaches are recruiting players from out of 
state that are only coming here because of the Head Coach.  I thought the 
new staff was only looking for players who wanted to come to Nebraska 
because of the name on the front of the Jersey.

(I'm being facetious, by the way).

Tommy Thompson
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>
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>     Huskers land a recruit.
>
>
> http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/29/huskerextra/football/doc4775ee66d55cb700562148.txt
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From reich at inetnebr.com  Sun Dec 30 02:23:03 2007
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Sun Dec 30 02:13:42 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
Message-ID: <200712300823.CAA18403@stork.inebraska.com>

Bob, Haven't you had your say on Pellini's qualifications
(or do you just have to post again no matter that you've
stated what you think over and over?).

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> My interpretation of the only available evidence so far (Alamo 
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> 
> Steve Stone
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> 
> 
> In response to "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> message on 
> 29-December-2007 4:02:31p
> 
>      I know a lot of people use the Alamo Bowl as an example of 
> Pelini's Head Coaching ability and it certainly turned out 
> successful at least as far as NU winning.  But to me that game 
> really is nothing to base anything on at all.  That wasn't Bo's 
> players that he recruited to any degree, it wasn't his staff, it 
> wasn't his program, and the like.  That was still Solich's team.  
> What will be interesting is two or three years from now what  the 
> program will be after Bo puts his stamp on it and it is indeed 
> his program, his players, his staff, his recruiting, his public 
> relations with him as the face of the program, and etc.  That is 
> the unknown.  The future is always an unknown to a degree but 
> with no track record it is REALLY an unknown.  It may work out 
> great and I hope so but who knows at this point?  There are a lot 
> of coaches that could take over an already established team the 
> last game of the season under an "interim" tag and win a football 
> game.  That to me is no indicator of anyone's Head Coaching 
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> 
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From strongtodd at msn.com  Sun Dec 30 09:25:57 2007
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Sun Dec 30 09:13:11 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
References: <200712300823.CAA18403@stork.inebraska.com>
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I agree. This thread has become worse than the qb play in the AutoZone bowl!

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
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> Bob, Haven't you had your say on Pellini's qualifications
> (or do you just have to post again no matter that you've
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>
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>>
>> My interpretation of the only available evidence so far (Alamo
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>>
>> Steve Stone
>>
>>
>>
>> In response to "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net> message on
>> 29-December-2007 4:02:31p
>>
>>      I know a lot of people use the Alamo Bowl as an example of
>> Pelini's Head Coaching ability and it certainly turned out
>> successful at least as far as NU winning.  But to me that game
>> really is nothing to base anything on at all.  That wasn't Bo's
>> players that he recruited to any degree, it wasn't his staff, it
>> wasn't his program, and the like.  That was still Solich's team.
>> What will be interesting is two or three years from now what  the
>> program will be after Bo puts his stamp on it and it is indeed
>> his program, his players, his staff, his recruiting, his public
>> relations with him as the face of the program, and etc.  That is
>> the unknown.  The future is always an unknown to a degree but
>> with no track record it is REALLY an unknown.  It may work out
>> great and I hope so but who knows at this point?  There are a lot
>> of coaches that could take over an already established team the
>> last game of the season under an "interim" tag and win a football
>> game.  That to me is no indicator of anyone's Head Coaching
>> capabilities pro or con.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Bob Beach
>>
>> mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
>>
>>
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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 10:28:05 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Sun Dec 30 10:14:58 2007
Subject: [Husker] Recruit
In-Reply-To: <007a01c84a44$d8fd0030$6c01a8c0@Husker>
Message-ID: <570260.86438.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Of the two talked about in the article one said he knew of the tradition at NU before when Pelini was here and now that he was back it seemed like a good fit. To me that would say that he expects Pelini to bring back the tradition from when he was here before. The other says its always been a dream of his to play at NU not for Pelini but at NU. I fail to see where either is coming only because of the head coach. 




Tommy Thompson <huskertt@charter.net> wrote: Interesting.  Why is he coming to Nebraska?  Is it because of the tradition? 
Is it because of Osborne?  No...it's because of Pelini.

I can't believe that the Husker coaches are recruiting players from out of 
state that are only coming here because of the Head Coach.  I thought the 
new staff was only looking for players who wanted to come to Nebraska 
because of the name on the front of the Jersey.

(I'm being facetious, by the way).

Tommy Thompson
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>
>
>     Huskers land a recruit.
>
>
> http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/29/huskerextra/football/doc4775ee66d55cb700562148.txt
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> Sincerely,
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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 10:56:07 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Sun Dec 30 10:43:00 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <20071229163257.8AA53C4173828800@neb.rr.com>
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Yes but we all remember that Solich couldn't recruit so the fact that Bo won with his terrible players says alot. In fact with BCs four and five star recruits Bo should be able to win the MNC next year!!!!! Oh heck I am starting the celebration right now!!!!!! Humor intended.





baseballguy@neb.rr.com wrote: ***** ORIGINAL "Steve Stone"  MESSAGE 
FOLLOWS *****


My interpretation of the only available evidence so far (Alamo 
Bowl) 
indicates satisfactory performance.

Steve Stone



In response to "Steve Stone"  message on 
29-December-2007 4:02:31p

     I know a lot of people use the Alamo Bowl as an example of 
Pelini's Head Coaching ability and it certainly turned out 
successful at least as far as NU winning.  But to me that game 
really is nothing to base anything on at all.  That wasn't Bo's 
players that he recruited to any degree, it wasn't his staff, it 
wasn't his program, and the like.  That was still Solich's team.  
What will be interesting is two or three years from now what  the 
program will be after Bo puts his stamp on it and it is indeed 
his program, his players, his staff, his recruiting, his public 
relations with him as the face of the program, and etc.  That is 
the unknown.  The future is always an unknown to a degree but 
with no track record it is REALLY an unknown.  It may work out 
great and I hope so but who knows at this point?  There are a lot 
of coaches that could take over an already established team the 
last game of the season under an "interim" tag and win a football 
game.  That to me is no indicator of anyone's Head Coaching 
capabilities pro or con.


Sincerely,

Bob Beach

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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 11:00:15 2007
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Sun Dec 30 10:47:07 2007
Subject: [Husker] ESPN:  Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA
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Hey they didn't say HIGHER levels, just new levels. Heck BC took NU to new levels. 




Lynette Tillner <ltillner@yahoo.com> wrote: LOL, welcome to the Pac-less 10. Sheesh. Neuheisal will "take them to
new levels?" LOL. 


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From strongtodd at msn.com  Sun Dec 30 11:06:52 2007
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Sun Dec 30 10:54:04 2007
Subject: [Husker] ESPN:  Skippy Named Head Coach at UCLA
References: <507791.93849.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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Absolutely the line of the year .........for 2007
I am still laughing!!!
(not because of the depths BC took NU,  laughing at jj humor)
"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
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> Hey they didn't say HIGHER levels, just new levels. Heck BC took NU to new 
> levels.
>
>
>
>
> Lynette Tillner <ltillner@yahoo.com> wrote: LOL, welcome to the Pac-less 
> 10. Sheesh. Neuheisal will "take them to
> new levels?" LOL.
>
>
> --- Mike Jaixen  wrote:
>
>> ESPN is reporting that Rick Neuheisal will be named
>> head coach at UCLA.
>>
>> http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3172713
>>
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>> Blog: http://huskermike.blogspot.com
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From ddraney at alltel.net  Sun Dec 30 11:30:38 2007
From: ddraney at alltel.net (Dan Draney)
Date: Sun Dec 30 11:17:44 2007
Subject: [Husker] How Tough Is Bo Pellini?
Message-ID: <C39D31DE.5177%ddraney@alltel.net>

 When Pelini takes a swim, he doesn't get wet, the water gets Pelinied.
 
 Bo Pelini doesn't read offenses. He stares them down until he gets the
information he wants.
 
 Pelini makes Chuck Liddell sit down to pee.
 
 Before Chuck Norris goes to sleep at night, he checks his closet for Bo
Pelini.
 
 Bo Pelini once played 18 holes of golf using a 12 inch strip of rebar and a
sun dried tomato. He shot a 54.
 
 Bo Pelini could kill Chuck Norris nine different ways with his headset and
four different ways with his play chart.
 
 Bo Pelini sleeps with a night light. Not because he is afraid of the dark
but because the dark is afraid of Bo Pelini.
 
 Bo Pelini doesn't fart, he detonates.
 
 Superman wears Bo Pelini pajamas to bed.
 
 Bo Pelini didn't hang the moon. He stared down an asteroid and it stopped
in it's tracks.
 
 Bo Pelini's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one
fools Bo Pelini.
 
 Bo Pelini was originally cast as the main character in 24, but was replaced
by the producers when he managed to kill every terrorist and save the day in
12 minutes and 37 seconds.
 
 Bo Pelini doesn't cut his grass, he dares it to grow.
 
 Bo Pelini used to beat the sh*t out of his shadow because it was following
him to close. It now stands a safe 30 feet behind him.
 
 They say that Superman's only weakness is kryptonite. Bo Pelini laughs at
Superman for having a weakness.
 
 Bo Pelini's dog is trained to pick up his own poop because Bo Pelini will
not take sh*t from anyone.
 
 Bo Pelini once partook in a pissing contest outside of a bar. His opponent
drowned.
 
 Bo Pelini can build a snowman out of rain.
 
 Bo Pelini's wristwatch has no numbers on it. It just says, "Time to kick
ass."


From ddraney at alltel.net  Sun Dec 30 11:38:33 2007
From: ddraney at alltel.net (Dan Draney)
Date: Sun Dec 30 11:25:40 2007
Subject: [Husker] How Tough Is Bo Pellini?
Message-ID: <C39D33B9.5178%ddraney@alltel.net>

Sorry for the repost. I could have sworn I got that somewhere else. Must be
an early sign of senility. :D

Dan


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From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Sun Dec 30 11:30:41 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <200712300823.CAA18403@stork.inebraska.com>
Message-ID: <20071230114248.4E2C96F448B8EC04@neb.rr.com>




***** ORIGINAL "Steve Reichenbach" <reich@inetnebr.com> MESSAGE 
FOLLOWS *****

Bob, Haven't you had your say on Pellini's qualifications
(or do you just have to post again no matter that you've
stated what you think over and over?).



In response to "Steve Reichenbach" <reich@inetnebr.com> message 
on 30-December-2007 2:23:03a


    So, because I have stated my opinions I have no right to post 
any feelings again about Pelini?  It isn't like the list was just 
rocking and rolling with posts.  Secondly, why does it even 
remotely bother you how many times I post and/or what about or 
how many times?  If you find it uninteresting or repetitive 
delete it and go on.  That's what I do when I find something not 
interesting to me.  Of all the things I have posted on over the 
years one thing you have never seen is me criticizing someone for 
posting a lot on one subject or comment about my lack of interest 
in the subject.  I always feel if someone finds something 
interesting and posts a lot then go for it because I do the same 
thing when something interests me.  Not all subjects are going to 
interest all people. 


    Why don't YOU post something of interest to you and see if it 
will stir discussion if you don't like what I post.  If it does 
then great.  


    Lastly, why are you singling me out?  There are at least a 
half dozen people that are posting on the same subject with me 
and saying the same thing they have said over and over.  Why 
don't you call them out as well?  More than likely it is because 
you agree with them and not with me.


     Actually, I was thoroughly enjoying the banter about Pelini. 
 I appreciate everyone's comments.  If people didn't have 
differing opinions there wouldn't be a lot to discuss because 
everyone would agree.  Someone wrote they occasionally find my 
posts annoying.  I never find anyone's posts annoying.  I 
disagree now and then but I am never annoyed.  For one everyone 
has a right to their opinion and honestly I find everyone's 
opinion interesting whether I agree or not.  Secondly, the things 
we discuss here are not even remotely important enough to get 
annoyed or worked up over.   


Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>





From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec 30 11:55:50 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Sun Dec 30 11:43:47 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
In-Reply-To: <477719E3.7040503@threeriver.net>
Message-ID: <20071230115550.00AEA3572BCA5A1D@neb.rr.com>

***** ORIGINAL "Robert Christensen" <rchriste@threeriver.net> 
MESSAGE FOLLOWS *****

I wouldn't bet that Callahan could have done that at the Alamo 
Bowl that 
particular year.  From the experience he presented the next year, 
he 
would have not been willing to use the strengths of the players 
and it 
would have turned out to be a fiasco.  After all, he could say 
(like he 
did for most of the time he was at the helm as a "proven" coach 
that it 
was all Solich's fault.

Happy New Year,

Bob



In response to "Robert Christensen" <rchriste@threeriver.net> 
message on 29-December-2007 10:09:07p


     I guess we'll never know.  I don't know too many coaches 
that would for one game make sweeping changes.  For one there 
wouldn't be time to implement the changes.  The next year was a 
little different.  Callahan had spring practice, fall camp, and 
the season to implement his program.  But, generally speaking 
most assistants could take their team and win one game as Interim 
Head Coach assuming they are not playing against a vastly 
superior team.


     Maybe I just have a memory lapse but I honestly don't 
remember Callahan blaming Solich for anything and certainly not 
"most of the time".  That is not to say he didn't say some 
questionable things but I don't remember him continually blaming 
Solich.

Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>



From badger_30 at msn.com  Sun Dec 30 12:05:20 2007
From: badger_30 at msn.com (Richard G Smith)
Date: Sun Dec 30 11:51:33 2007
Subject: [Husker] Fw: Kent McCloughan
Message-ID: <BLU105-DAV106F2AC34DB892F51FF5058E570@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Richard G Smith 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:42 PM
Subject: Kent McCloughan


Tommy Thompson just made reference to Kent McCloughan in a recent post.  Many of you remember him.....some are not old enough.  He was a speedster from Broken Bow and graduated from high school in 1961.

A short interesting story about high school football against Broken Bow.  I graduated from Valentine the same year.  Broken Bow was playing at Valentine.  Broken Bow was rated first in the state and Valentine was rated 3rd.  At the end of regulation play....Broken Bow was ahead 21-18.  They were about to score on Valentine as the game ended......however....there was a malfunction of the clock....and the Broken Bow coach lobbied the officials for more time.....the officials granted Broken Bow one.....untimed play to finish the game.   Broken Bow chose to try a pass play and Jim Murphy from Valentine intercepted it in the end zone and ran 102 yards for a touchdown.  Valentine won 24-21.  This play was the basis for Murphy to be inducted into the Nebraska hall of fame.  Murphy was an outstanding athlete and we competed quite well against Broken Bow for all four years McCloughan was in high school.

Richard Smith
From kmckillip at houston.rr.com  Sun Dec 30 13:39:01 2007
From: kmckillip at houston.rr.com (Kenneth McKillip)
Date: Sun Dec 30 13:26:05 2007
Subject: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good (Amazing How
	Frequently That Has Happen)
Message-ID: <000001c84b1b$a1c2af70$6501a8c0@userc62e806ee2>

http://tinyurl.com/239hwu

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec 30 13:38:51 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (baseballguy@neb.rr.com)
Date: Sun Dec 30 13:26:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] Fw: Kent McCloughan
In-Reply-To: <BLU105-DAV106F2AC34DB892F51FF5058E570@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20071230133851.5F407A7ED1F915E6@neb.rr.com>




***** ORIGINAL "Richard G Smith" <badger_30@msn.com> MESSAGE 
FOLLOWS *****


Tommy Thompson just made reference to Kent McCloughan in a recent 
post.  Many of you remember him.....some are not old enough.  He 
was a speedster from Broken Bow and graduated from high school in 
1961.




In response to "Richard G Smith" <badger_30@msn.com> message on 
30-December-2007 12:05:20p


     The thing I remember is NU could have had an offensive 
backfield of Bob Hohn, Kent McCloughan, and Gale Sayers.  These 
are three of the greatest athletes anywhere and not just from 
Nebraska.  


http://www.nebhalloffame.org/2001/hohn.htm


http://www.nebhalloffame.org/1994/mcclough.htm


http://www.nebhalloffame.org/1994/sayers.htm


     NU did indeed get Hohn and McCloughan but Sayers went to 
Kansas.  Hohn was from Beatrice, McCloughan from Broken Bow, and 
Sayers from Omaha Central.  Had Sayers never been injured or 
sports medicine was what it is today Chicago Bears fans would be 
comparing people to Gale Sayers and not Walter Payton.  But I 
occasionally think what could have been at NU when I hear one of 
those names.  Had it been a year later NU may very well have 
landed Sayers because Devaney was here by then.


Sincerely,

Bob Beach

mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>







From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Sun Dec 30 19:54:13 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Dec 30 19:42:08 2007
Subject: [Husker] Suspensions
Message-ID: <47784BC5.4050304@neb.rr.com>

     Here are more suspensions for bowl games.  This is almost getting 
unreal.  I have never seen so many suspensions or people being kept out 
of bowl games for various reasons like this year.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls07/news/story?id=3173393


Bob Beach

From george.rapp at gmail.com  Sun Dec 30 20:03:42 2007
From: george.rapp at gmail.com (George Rapp)
Date: Sun Dec 30 19:50:42 2007
Subject: [Husker] How Tough Is Bo Pellini?
In-Reply-To: <C39D33B9.5178%ddraney@alltel.net>
References: <C39D33B9.5178%ddraney@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <f1f3dd8f0712301803o659e747dhedda715bf2a89ccd@mail.gmail.com>

On Dec 30, 2007 12:38 PM, Dan Draney <ddraney@alltel.net> wrote:

> Sorry for the repost. I could have sworn I got that somewhere else. Must
> be
> an early sign of senility. :D
>

Hey, there's no 24 coming up in January (thanks to the writers strike), so
we need all the Jack Bauer -- uh, Bo Pelini we can get ... 8^)

http://www.jackbauerfacts.com/
From reich at inetnebr.com  Mon Dec 31 02:09:46 2007
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Mon Dec 31 02:00:21 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
Message-ID: <200712310809.CAA17820@stork.inebraska.com>


Bob, Haven't you had your say on Pellini's qualifications
(or do you just have to post again no matter that you've
stated what you think over and over?).

> ***** ORIGINAL "Steve Reichenbach" <reich@inetnebr.com> MESSAGE 
> FOLLOWS *****
> 
> Bob, Haven't you had your say on Pellini's qualifications
> (or do you just have to post again no matter that you've
> stated what you think over and over?).
> 
> 
> 
> In response to "Steve Reichenbach" <reich@inetnebr.com> message 
> on 30-December-2007 2:23:03a
> 
> 
>     So, because I have stated my opinions I have no right to post 
> any feelings again about Pelini?  It isn't like the list was just 
> rocking and rolling with posts.  Secondly, why does it even 
> remotely bother you how many times I post and/or what about or 
> how many times?  If you find it uninteresting or repetitive 
> delete it and go on.  That's what I do when I find something not 
> interesting to me.  Of all the things I have posted on over the 
> years one thing you have never seen is me criticizing someone for 
> posting a lot on one subject or comment about my lack of interest 
> in the subject.  I always feel if someone finds something 
> interesting and posts a lot then go for it because I do the same 
> thing when something interests me.  Not all subjects are going to 
> interest all people. 
> 
> 
>     Why don't YOU post something of interest to you and see if it 
> will stir discussion if you don't like what I post.  If it does 
> then great.  
> 
> 
>     Lastly, why are you singling me out?  There are at least a 
> half dozen people that are posting on the same subject with me 
> and saying the same thing they have said over and over.  Why 
> don't you call them out as well?  More than likely it is because 
> you agree with them and not with me.
> 
> 
>      Actually, I was thoroughly enjoying the banter about Pelini. 
>  I appreciate everyone's comments.  If people didn't have 
> differing opinions there wouldn't be a lot to discuss because 
> everyone would agree.  Someone wrote they occasionally find my 
> posts annoying.  I never find anyone's posts annoying.  I 
> disagree now and then but I am never annoyed.  For one everyone 
> has a right to their opinion and honestly I find everyone's 
> opinion interesting whether I agree or not.  Secondly, the things 
> we discuss here are not even remotely important enough to get 
> annoyed or worked up over.   
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Bob Beach
> 
> mailto:<baseballguy@neb.rr.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Mon Dec 31 11:29:20 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Mon Dec 31 11:16:28 2007
Subject: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good (Amazing
	How Frequently That Has Happen)
In-Reply-To: <000001c84b1b$a1c2af70$6501a8c0@userc62e806ee2>
References: <000001c84b1b$a1c2af70$6501a8c0@userc62e806ee2>
Message-ID: <750F55FC-D872-4353-96E4-D6E4461A18DC@gmail.com>

Wow. Stewart Bradley must have been developed really well by Cosgrove  
and his coaching staff.

It's going to be an incredibly long off-season, isn't it?

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 30, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Kenneth McKillip wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/239hwu
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.   
> The problem appears to be on their end.



From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Mon Dec 31 11:35:51 2007
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott R Lawson)
Date: Mon Dec 31 11:24:42 2007
Subject: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good (AmazingHow
	Frequently That Has Happen)
References: <000001c84b1b$a1c2af70$6501a8c0@userc62e806ee2>
	<750F55FC-D872-4353-96E4-D6E4461A18DC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D366542FB@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>

Hmm, after reading this article it sounds like the Eagles found a kid with raw talent and great size, and are allowing him to 'mature' into a good player. Maybe I read the wrong artivcel, but I don't see how Solich (or anyone else at NU for that matter) has much to do with how big & fast Bradley now is in the NFL.

Scott in NY


-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of jon johnston
Sent: Mon 2007.12.31 12:29
To: Kenneth McKillip
Cc: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good (AmazingHow Frequently That Has Happen)
 
Wow. Stewart Bradley must have been developed really well by Cosgrove  
and his coaching staff.

It's going to be an incredibly long off-season, isn't it?

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 30, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Kenneth McKillip wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/239hwu
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.   
> The problem appears to be on their end.



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From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Mon Dec 31 12:04:48 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Mon Dec 31 11:51:53 2007
Subject: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good (AmazingHow
	Frequently That Has Happen)
In-Reply-To: <B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D366542FB@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
References: <000001c84b1b$a1c2af70$6501a8c0@userc62e806ee2>
	<750F55FC-D872-4353-96E4-D6E4461A18DC@gmail.com>
	<B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D366542FB@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
Message-ID: <ED44E9DF-4689-4F0C-B832-470645191F4C@gmail.com>

Hey....  what are you trying to do... be rational? Now that it's New  
Year's Eve, are you implying that we all try to put the past behind  
us, move on and stop drudging up the same ol' same ol' in the coming  
new year?

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 31, 2007, at 11:35 AM, Scott R Lawson wrote:

> Hmm, after reading this article it sounds like the Eagles found a  
> kid with raw talent and great size, and are allowing him to 'mature'  
> into a good player. Maybe I read the wrong artivcel, but I don't see  
> how Solich (or anyone else at NU for that matter) has much to do  
> with how big & fast Bradley now is in the NFL.
>
> Scott in NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of jon johnston
> Sent: Mon 2007.12.31 12:29
> To: Kenneth McKillip
> Cc: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good  
> (AmazingHow Frequently That Has Happen)
>
> Wow. Stewart Bradley must have been developed really well by Cosgrove
> and his coaching staff.
>
> It's going to be an incredibly long off-season, isn't it?
>
> Jon Johnston
> http://www.cornnation.com
>
> On Dec 30, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Kenneth McKillip wrote:
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/239hwu
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > husker site list
> > husker@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
> >
> > Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.
> > The problem appears to be on their end.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.   
> The problem appears to be on their end.
>
>

jon johnston
jon.johnston@gmail.com



From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Mon Dec 31 12:09:01 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Mon Dec 31 11:55:54 2007
Subject: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good
	(AmazingHowFrequently That Has Happen)
References: <000001c84b1b$a1c2af70$6501a8c0@userc62e806ee2><750F55FC-D872-4353-96E4-D6E4461A18DC@gmail.com>
	<B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D366542FB@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
Message-ID: <A0F03411D6D748EDA6DC83901D790AE1@tony01a1ef96dc>

What I got from Kenneth's post is that People kept saying how Solich could 
not recruit.


Tony Lambert

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Scott R Lawson" <SLawson@uamail.albany.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:35 AM
To: "jon johnston" <jon.johnston@gmail.com>; "Kenneth McKillip" 
<kmckillip@houston.rr.com>
Cc: <husker@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good 
(AmazingHowFrequently That Has Happen)

> Hmm, after reading this article it sounds like the Eagles found a kid with 
> raw talent and great size, and are allowing him to 'mature' into a good 
> player. Maybe I read the wrong artivcel, but I don't see how Solich (or 
> anyone else at NU for that matter) has much to do with how big & fast 
> Bradley now is in the NFL.
>
> Scott in NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of jon johnston
> Sent: Mon 2007.12.31 12:29
> To: Kenneth McKillip
> Cc: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good 
> (AmazingHow Frequently That Has Happen)
>
> Wow. Stewart Bradley must have been developed really well by Cosgrove
> and his coaching staff.
>
> It's going to be an incredibly long off-season, isn't it?
>
> Jon Johnston
> http://www.cornnation.com
>
> On Dec 30, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Kenneth McKillip wrote:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/239hwu
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> husker site list
>> husker@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>>
>> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.
>> The problem appears to be on their end.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.  The 
> problem appears to be on their end.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.  The 
> problem appears to be on their end.
> 

From jschlechte at usfamily.net  Mon Dec 31 12:30:23 2007
From: jschlechte at usfamily.net (jschlechte@usfamily.net)
Date: Mon Dec 31 12:17:37 2007
Subject: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good	(AmazingHow
	Frequently That Has Happen)
In-Reply-To: <ED44E9DF-4689-4F0C-B832-470645191F4C@gmail.com>
References: <000001c84b1b$a1c2af70$6501a8c0@userc62e806ee2>
	<750F55FC-D872-4353-96E4-D6E4461A18DC@gmail.com>
	<B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D366542FB@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
	<ED44E9DF-4689-4F0C-B832-470645191F4C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071231123022.hb5i3i0tnkkc0wko@webmail.usfamily.net>



>> It's going to be an incredibly long off-season, isn't it?

GOING TO BE???  It feels like it already has been.

Maybe, just maybe Pelini will bring back the results of the pre- and 
post-winter
conditioning tests.  At least that way, we might not spend so much time 
arguing
over whether or not NU would have been in the MNC game next week if Pedey had
hired Bo right from the get go.  ;)

GBR,

- jay





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From gscratch1 at comcast.net  Mon Dec 31 12:51:32 2007
From: gscratch1 at comcast.net (gscratch1@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Dec 31 12:38:30 2007
Subject: [Husker] how unusual
Message-ID: <123120071851.12921.47793A33000D84A3000032792207021553080C9B0E9D0C9C09@comcast.net>

>I'm fairly certain that coaches grooming their successors is NOT the 
>norm.  Most head coaches get their first such position by switching schools.
 Certainly my impression, too.  Wasn't the appointment of TO and then FS described in these terms? and the point made at how unusual both situations were?

OTOH, that was 1972 and 1997; *ages* ago in college football time.

Glen in NJ
From gscratch1 at comcast.net  Mon Dec 31 12:54:50 2007
From: gscratch1 at comcast.net (gscratch1@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Dec 31 12:41:45 2007
Subject: [Husker] not to mention
Message-ID: <123120071854.15796.47793AF9000939F600003DB42207021553080C9B0E9D0C9C09@comcast.net>

(as HC, as opposed to Assistant)
>You have to meet the 
>media, the boosters, do radio and TV, be called on to speak here 
>and speak there, be responsible for recruiting, and etc.  

Not to mention, deal with the apparently inevitable scandals (which seems to me to be the most diffcult part of the job) - where do you get *this* experience?

Glen in NJ
From weldoc at juno.com  Mon Dec 31 14:07:13 2007
From: weldoc at juno.com (weldoc@juno.com)
Date: Mon Dec 31 14:01:47 2007
Subject: [personal] RE: [Husker] Article
Message-ID: <20071231.141357.-1830601.1.weldoc@juno.com>

I am also on record as saying Bo could coach my defense any day of the
week.  Don't push this farther than I am going.  If anyone says I don't
like Pelini or I wish they never would have hired him or the like that
just isn't true.  I am NOT saying that.  I am just saying at this point
in time I have nothing to base any feeling on one way or another.  I am
not predicting success for Pelini as Head Coach nor am I predicting
failure.  It is just way too early to tell with Pelini never having been
in this position before.--Bob Beach
_________________

Bob, you old pot-stirrer, you. My question to you: What would YOU (or any
of us Listers) have had similarly to go by, pre-2004's season, to think
that BC would be a success at HC in college ball ?  Most of those NU fans
who weren't already in orbit over the way Solich "left NU" probably
weren't thinking like you (in your above excerpt) at all. They just had
visions of many short passes dancing in their heads. 

I don't see your point in questioning BP's HC-ing abilities before the
2008 season has even begun. I, for one, CAN'T WAIT for it to begin. And I
don't expect NU to win all its games for the season to be considered
successful, either. Just beat KSU  :-)

Bill Laughlin
Wichita, KS

From weldoc at juno.com  Mon Dec 31 14:27:14 2007
From: weldoc at juno.com (weldoc@juno.com)
Date: Mon Dec 31 14:23:22 2007
Subject: [Husker] McCloughan
Message-ID: <20071231.143439.-1830601.3.weldoc@juno.com>

NU did indeed get Hohn and McCloughan but Sayers went to Kansas.  Hohn
was from Beatrice, McCloughan from Broken Bow, and Sayers from Omaha
Central.  Had Sayers never been injured or sports medicine was what it is
today Chicago Bears fans would be comparing people to Gale Sayers and not
Walter Payton.  But I occasionally think what could have been at NU when
I hear one of those names.  Had it been a year later NU may very well
have landed Sayers because Devaney was here by then.--Bob Beach
____________________

Nice post, Bob, and thanks for the memories. The first games I remember
hearing Lyell announce (I was just a kid) involved Hohn and McCloughan.
And Fred Duda. Those were fun days...everyone hoped NU would win but no
one was looking ahead before Big-8 season play had started, wondering
which BOWL GAME we might be in !!!

If KU hadn't gotten Sayers, the FOOTBALL side of their sports hall would
REALLY be threadbare  :-)

BTW, could someone jog my memory as to why we lost out on getting
McCloughan's son at NU ?  IIRC he went to play for the dreaded CU Buffs.
Did we not recruit him well enough ?

Bill Laughlin
Wichita, KS

From marklandin at gmail.com  Mon Dec 31 16:23:33 2007
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Mon Dec 31 16:10:29 2007
Subject: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good
	(AmazingHowFrequently That Has Happen)
In-Reply-To: <A0F03411D6D748EDA6DC83901D790AE1@tony01a1ef96dc>
References: <000001c84b1b$a1c2af70$6501a8c0@userc62e806ee2>
	<750F55FC-D872-4353-96E4-D6E4461A18DC@gmail.com>
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On Dec 31, 2007 12:09 PM, Tony Lambert <slimmer37@hamilton.net> wrote:
> What I got from Kenneth's post is that People kept saying how Solich could
> not recruit.
>


Some people will always think that, and some people will never think
that, and I've not ever seen an instance where a person has moved from
one position to the other.

Can we please stop bringing this up?
-- 
"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland

From huskertt at charter.net  Mon Dec 31 16:43:10 2007
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Mon Dec 31 16:35:01 2007
Subject: [Husker] McCloughan
References: <20071231.143439.-1830601.3.weldoc@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004301c84bfe$861d4260$6c01a8c0@Husker>

Kent McCloughan has 3 sons.

I think the reason David might have gone to Colorado was that he grew up in 
Loveland, CO.  I think he is the recruiting coordinator for the 49ers.

Scot, the one who is the new GM for the 49ers, went to Wichita St, where he 
played baseball.

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <weldoc@juno.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: [Husker] McCloughan


> NU did indeed get Hohn and McCloughan but Sayers went to Kansas.  Hohn
> was from Beatrice, McCloughan from Broken Bow, and Sayers from Omaha
> Central.  Had Sayers never been injured or sports medicine was what it is
> today Chicago Bears fans would be comparing people to Gale Sayers and not
> Walter Payton.  But I occasionally think what could have been at NU when
> I hear one of those names.  Had it been a year later NU may very well
> have landed Sayers because Devaney was here by then.--Bob Beach
> ____________________
>
> Nice post, Bob, and thanks for the memories. The first games I remember
> hearing Lyell announce (I was just a kid) involved Hohn and McCloughan.
> And Fred Duda. Those were fun days...everyone hoped NU would win but no
> one was looking ahead before Big-8 season play had started, wondering
> which BOWL GAME we might be in !!!
>
> If KU hadn't gotten Sayers, the FOOTBALL side of their sports hall would
> REALLY be threadbare  :-)
>
> BTW, could someone jog my memory as to why we lost out on getting
> McCloughan's son at NU ?  IIRC he went to play for the dreaded CU Buffs.
> Did we not recruit him well enough ?
>
> Bill Laughlin
> Wichita, KS
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Mon Dec 31 17:13:39 2007
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Mon Dec 31 17:00:30 2007
Subject: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good
	(AmazingHowFrequently That Has Happen)
References: <000001c84b1b$a1c2af70$6501a8c0@userc62e806ee2>
	<750F55FC-D872-4353-96E4-D6E4461A18DC@gmail.com>
	<B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D366542FB@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
	<A0F03411D6D748EDA6DC83901D790AE1@tony01a1ef96dc>
	<16ee270e0712311423q6327c2afxb371afb60013a1b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08C2706BB1DE49B4A88B5464793033A4@tony01a1ef96dc>

Here is a new subject. Yesterday on ESPN Classic they held a bad call 
marathon. And the Colorado @ Missouri game
from 1990 was on. it is the infamous 5th down game. Anyway the question I 
have is this. Do you have to try for the PAT if the winning touchdown has 
been made at the end of the game?


Tony Lambert


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From: "Mark Landin" <marklandin@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:23 PM
To: "Tony Lambert" <slimmer37@hamilton.net>
Cc: "Scott R Lawson" <SLawson@uamail.albany.edu>; "jon johnston" 
<jon.johnston@gmail.com>; "Kenneth McKillip" <kmckillip@houston.rr.com>; 
<husker@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good 
(AmazingHowFrequently That Has Happen)

> On Dec 31, 2007 12:09 PM, Tony Lambert <slimmer37@hamilton.net> wrote:
>> What I got from Kenneth's post is that People kept saying how Solich 
>> could
>> not recruit.
>>
>
>
> Some people will always think that, and some people will never think
> that, and I've not ever seen an instance where a person has moved from
> one position to the other.
>
> Can we please stop bringing this up?
> -- 
> "If hard work were such a wonderful thing, you'd think rich people
> would have kept it all for themselves" - Lane Kirkland
> 

From george.rapp at gmail.com  Mon Dec 31 17:35:16 2007
From: george.rapp at gmail.com (George Rapp)
Date: Mon Dec 31 17:22:13 2007
Subject: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes Good
	(AmazingHowFrequently That Has Happen)
In-Reply-To: <08C2706BB1DE49B4A88B5464793033A4@tony01a1ef96dc>
References: <000001c84b1b$a1c2af70$6501a8c0@userc62e806ee2>
	<750F55FC-D872-4353-96E4-D6E4461A18DC@gmail.com>
	<B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D366542FB@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>
	<A0F03411D6D748EDA6DC83901D790AE1@tony01a1ef96dc>
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On Dec 31, 2007 6:13 PM, Tony Lambert <slimmer37@hamilton.net> wrote:

> Here is a new subject. Yesterday on ESPN Classic they held a bad call
> marathon. And the Colorado @ Missouri game
> from 1990 was on. it is the infamous 5th down game. Anyway the question I
> have is this. Do you have to try for the PAT if the winning touchdown has
> been made at the end of the game?
>

Yep, unless they've changed the rules since 2003:

Rule 8-3-2-a:

The ball shall be put in play by the team that scored a six-point touchdown.
If a touchdown is scored during a down in which time in the fourth period
expires, *the try is mandatory unless the team behind in the score leaves
the field of play*.

George
-- 
  George Rapp  (Columbus, OH) Home: george.rapp -- at -- gmail.com
    Work: george.rapp -- at -- eds.com (or) george.rapp -- at -- dfas.mil
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape
    finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.  - Marcus Aurelius
From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Mon Dec 31 17:36:55 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Mon Dec 31 17:24:43 2007
Subject: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes
	Good	(AmazingHowFrequently That Has Happen)
In-Reply-To: <16ee270e0712311423q6327c2afxb371afb60013a1b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c84b1b$a1c2af70$6501a8c0@userc62e806ee2>	<750F55FC-D872-4353-96E4-D6E4461A18DC@gmail.com>	<B1F450220E9A2F4B95928016406A4D366542FB@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu>	<A0F03411D6D748EDA6DC83901D790AE1@tony01a1ef96dc>
	<16ee270e0712311423q6327c2afxb371afb60013a1b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47797D17.4030108@neb.rr.com>

Mark Landin wrote:
> Some people will always think that, and some people will never think
> that, and I've not ever seen an instance where a person has moved from
> one position to the other.
>
> Can we please stop bringing this up?
>   


      Why?  I haven't entered into this topic this time around but if 
people want to talk about it, or any Husker related topic, that should 
be perfectly fine.  If I don't want to read it I have the option of not 
reading it.  There is no one holding a gun to my head when the Husker 
posts come in my email that is saying I have to read each and every word 
of every post no matter how uninterested I may be.  I can read whatever 
I want or not read whatever I want.  It shouldn't have anything to do 
with my preference as to what the topics are and how long they should 
last or if they should come up again.  If the goal here is to only have 
posts that are cutting edge and interest everyone intensely that will 
never happen.  Everyone has different interests and different levels of 
interest.  As far as I am concerned if someone wants to discuss Solich's 
recruiting or lack thereof go for it.  But then I don't own the list.


Bob Beach

From baseballguy at neb.rr.com  Mon Dec 31 17:48:17 2007
From: baseballguy at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Mon Dec 31 17:36:06 2007
Subject: [Husker] McCloughan
In-Reply-To: <20071231.143439.-1830601.3.weldoc@juno.com>
References: <20071231.143439.-1830601.3.weldoc@juno.com>
Message-ID: <47797FC1.9030907@neb.rr.com>

weldoc@juno.com wrote:
> Nice post, Bob, and thanks for the memories. The first games I remember
> hearing Lyell announce (I was just a kid) involved Hohn and McCloughan.
> And Fred Duda. Those were fun days...everyone hoped NU would win but no
> one was looking ahead before Big-8 season play had started, wondering
> which BOWL GAME we might be in !!!
>   

     Thanks.  To me those were the really fun days of NU Football.  I 
think partially because I was pretty young having graduated from High 
School in 1968.  But, the other reason was NU was on the rise and no one 
really had any expectations that had to be met.  There was a new sheriff 
in town (Devaney) and he was making his mark.  Spirit was high and it 
finally looked like NU was doing to not only escape the doldrums but 
were ready to emerge as one of the best in the nation.  It was a great 
time. 


> If KU hadn't gotten Sayers, the FOOTBALL side of their sports hall would
> REALLY be threadbare  :-)
>   

     Yeah, big time bare!

> BTW, could someone jog my memory as to why we lost out on getting
> McCloughan's son at NU ?  IIRC he went to play for the dreaded CU Buffs.
> Did we not recruit him well enough ?
>   

     I'll see if I can dig that up.


Bob Beach

From jon.johnston at gmail.com  Mon Dec 31 17:49:36 2007
From: jon.johnston at gmail.com (jon johnston)
Date: Mon Dec 31 17:37:07 2007
Subject: [Husker] Another Unheralded Solich Recruit Makes
	Good	(AmazingHowFrequently That Has Happen)
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	<47797D17.4030108@neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3463417D-9233-4510-85E0-555DBB95F6D0@gmail.com>

It's run it's course for me.

I resolve that in the New Year, I'll do my best not to start or  
respond to any posts regarding Frank Solich's performance or lack  
thereof, whether he should or shouldn't have been fired, from here on  
out. I'll let that sleeping dog lie, that dead horse rot, and you can  
insert your own favorite phrase here.

Happy New Year to all y'all!

I'm really looking forward to 2008. 2007 sucked a lot, even beyond  
what happened with Nebraska sports.

Jon Johnston
http://www.cornnation.com

On Dec 31, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Bob Beach wrote:

> Mark Landin wrote:
>> Some people will always think that, and some people will never think
>> that, and I've not ever seen an instance where a person has moved  
>> from
>> one position to the other.
>>
>> Can we please stop bringing this up?
>>
>
>
>     Why?  I haven't entered into this topic this time around but if  
> people want to talk about it, or any Husker related topic, that  
> should be perfectly fine.  If I don't want to read it I have the  
> option of not reading it.  There is no one holding a gun to my head  
> when the Husker posts come in my email that is saying I have to read  
> each and every word of every post no matter how uninterested I may  
> be.  I can read whatever I want or not read whatever I want.  It  
> shouldn't have anything to do with my preference as to what the  
> topics are and how long they should last or if they should come up  
> again.  If the goal here is to only have posts that are cutting edge  
> and interest everyone intensely that will never happen.  Everyone  
> has different interests and different levels of interest.  As far as  
> I am concerned if someone wants to discuss Solich's recruiting or  
> lack thereof go for it.  But then I don't own the list.
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
> Note:  Comcast has been bouncing a lot of list traffic recently.   
> The problem appears to be on their end.

jon johnston
jon.johnston@gmail.com



From az_1_ at ix.netcom.com  Mon Dec 31 20:41:40 2007
From: az_1_ at ix.netcom.com (Charlene G)
Date: Thu Jan  3 22:06:59 2008
Subject: [Husker] Oklahoma makes the 6 o'clock news
Message-ID: <3566116.1199155301216.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Didn't catch which player it was, but one of the Oklahoma team was arrested and jailed for shoplifting.  Wonder if he'll get to play??

