Indeed, a 12-8 record in 1967 and '68 gave rise to petitions for Devaney's ouster. Dick Karre dkarre at comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <sklarbodds at cox.net> > Bill was arguing that statement was false and that regardless of who the coach is, a 10-10 record would not manke any fans feel good about the direction of the program.