[Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69

Tue Mar 1 09:07:51 CST 2005

Rich,

It is posts like yours that keep me from posting more.  What are you
jumping on me for???  I pointed out facts in my post -- both teams
finished with the same number of fouls, only a few which were
"intentional" at the end of the game.  ISU also had two players with
four fouls very early in the second half, and had four players with at
least four fouls at the end of the game.

Look at my post.  I did not say the officiating wasn't bad.  To quote
me, "The officiating in the game was bad, all the way around"...and I am
certainly a reputable source...;)  I felt there were plenty of phantom
calls both ways.

You stated "**ISU shoots 38% for the game. Stinson and Blalock were a
combined 7 for 27!! 
I wouldn't mind asking Chuck if he thinks the refs cost Iowa State the
game. 
'Colored glasses?' I think not!!"

Look at my post Rich.  Here is what I said: "Nebraska won the game, in
my estimation, because of three factors: Iowa State could not make a
basket; Nebraska absolutely killed on the boards; Nebraska had
significantly more depth."  Go ahead and ask me Rich if I think the refs
cost Iowa State the game.  I gave NO indication I felt this was the
case.  Nebraska won the game because they played better.

As far as Dave goes, I have nothing against him, nor his posts.  I just
wanted to point out that I believe it is difficult to be objective about
officiating when one is passionate about the team they are following.  I
didn't hear from Dave, so I don't know how he took it.  You make it
sound like I was attacking him personally.  That certainly wasn't the
case.

So, let me ask the list: was I out of line in my post???  If so, I will
go back to lurking, and no longer post.

Chuck Knox
Pella, IA 

-----Original Message-----
From: RHartsock at aol.com [mailto:RHartsock at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:02 PM
To: husker at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69

'Whatever colored glasses' you're looking through? Chuck talks like Dave
said the officiating was one-sided. It WAS, but he didn't say that. Or
at least he didn't harp on it or offer it up as an excuse for the loss
(that's right, Nebraska won). I believe he said it was 'horrendous,' and
gave an example (the NBA 'continuation' call in the first half).

       I think Dave's posted enough objective, critical, supportive,
factual, unbiased and informative posts regarding basketball to
establish that the glasses he's wearing are ones that someone would
possess who actually knows the game and will share both positive and
negative perspectives. The 'whatever colored glasses' comment was a lame
cop-out. Just what game WAS Chuck watching???!! 

Some more examples to back up Dave's point; a point that he wasn't
overstating to begin with: 

**First, why don't refs stuff their whistle and let 'em play? Let the
teams' 
play influence the outcome. 

**Maric picks up his third and fourth fouls 26 seconds into the second
half!! 
A minute later, Turek picks up his third and fourth -- three seconds
apart!!! 
A ref has to be lookin' to call something when that happens. That was 
rediculous.

**Two minutes into the second half, after the Maric and Turek fouls, the
foul 
status was Nebraska 6, Iowa State 1 ... two minutes into the half!!! Did
you 
see us being that overaggressive out there?? 

**Normally mild-mannered Barry Collier: I doubt if anyone will ever call
him 
a referee-baiter. Did Barry chose this one game to start looking at
things 
through red-colored glasses or perhaps was he justified in his reaction?
This guy 
is not a 'boy who cried wolf.'

**ISU shoots 38% for the game. Stinson and Blalock were a combined 7 for
27!! 
I wouldn't mind asking Chuck if he thinks the refs cost Iowa State the
game. 
'Colored glasses?' I think not!! 

**Don't be fooled by the fact that team fouls ended up tied at 25. Those

totals were skewed by ISU's playing catch-up and fouling late in the
game.

**McCray wasn't hammered on the play where Barry got the T? Must have
been 
those glasses we were all watching through. We're not talking about
tough 
block/charge calls here. We're talking about a poorly officiated game.
And about the 
time someone says that the refs don't care who wins?? Of course not, but
if 
you tell me that a ref's ego never got in the way of him doing his job,
I'd 
tell you that you've not played or even watched much b-ball in your
lifetime or 
maybe you haven't known many refs in your lifetime. Especially Big XII
b-ball. 
As an underdog, you've got to be twice as good as the home team if you
wantto 
win on the road. And yesterday at least, we WERE twice as good as Iowa
State. 

Thanks for the drive-by post Chuck. This kind of nit-picking is why (in
my 
opinion) most of the people that post relevant, informed opinions leave
the list 
in a fast way. 

Rich Hartsock

> I guess this illustrates how the perception of the performance of the
> officials depends on which color glasses you have on.  The officiating
> in the game was bad, all the way around.  Yes, Nebraska had two big
men
> in early foul trouble, but the same thing happened to Iowa State.
> Staple had his fourth foul at about the same time, and Clark picked up
> his fourth shortly after.  Both teams finished with 25 fouls.  Iowa
> State had two players foul out, and two others with four.  I saw
plenty
> of "phantom" calls go the other way.
> 
> Nebraska won the game, in my estimation, because of three factors:
Iowa
> State could not make a basket; Nebraska absolutely killed on the
boards;
> Nebraska had significantly more depth.  The last factor, the depth,
had
> me recalling some of the complaints earlier in the season on this list
> about playing freshman rather than upper classmen.  As an ISU fan, I
> would kill to have that kind of depth.
> 
> So please enjoy the victory -- it was a great effort by the Huskers --
> without the "despite the bad officiating" claims.
> 
> Chuck Knox
> Pella, IA
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NUStLNorris at aol.com [mailto:NUStLNorris at aol.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:03 PM
> To: husker at tssi.com
> Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69
> 
> In a message dated 2/27/05 4:51:08 PM Central Standard Time,
> gzimmerman at everestkc.net writes:
> 
> >______________________________________________
> >
> >An understatement IMHO. Is there a current basketball referee on the 
> >list who can answer why when the offensive player initiates contact, 
> >lowers their shoulder and bowls over the defender it is almost always

> >called a defensive foul?
> 
> It was meant to be an understatement, actually.  Since Nebraska won,
it
> makes it easier to say now.  The officiating was absolutely
horrendous.
> The play that Greg mentioned was one of many ... how about the NBA
> "continuation" call in the first half?  Seven calls against Nebraska
in
> the first 2 minutes of the second half ... many of which were of the
> "phantom" variety.  NU won this game despite their big men, Turek and
> Maric, both picking up their fourth foul with 18 minutes yet to play
in
> the game!!
> 
> Great job by NU playing in a tough environment (sellout partisan
crowd)
> and having a lot of calls go against them ... great job of playing
above
> and through the elements.
> 
> Dave Norris
> 
> 
> 
> 