From dkarre at comcast.net  Tue Feb  1 01:04:26 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Tue Feb  1 01:01:07 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (Ridiculously Long)
References: <BE23EDAC.1075D%alans@efn.org>
Message-ID: <009601c5082c$442fe560$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

I have carefully reviewed the recruiting rules, and I can state
unequivocally that: a) the NCAA rules make IRS regs look simple; and b)
whoever wrote the fool thing needs to attend a good class in drafting
legislation.

Anyway, this is how I see it:

Bylaw 15.5 Maximum Institutional Grant-In-Aid Limitations By Sport
Bylaw 15.5.5 Football Limitations
Bylaw 15.5.5.1 Division I-A Football. There shall be an annual limit of 25
on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit
of 85 on the total counters.

A "counter" (what a nice term) is any student-athlete who receives financial
aid "for which athletics participation is a major criterion." That's simple
enough. The question, though, is what the bylaws mean by an "initial
counter", because that determines the number of student-athletes who can
receive a scholarship in any given year (assuming the overall limit of 85 is
not a factor).

Bylaw 15.02.3.1 (cited above) purports to define an "initial counter". It
states:
An "initial counter" is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid
in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.5.3 for instances in which
the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid
until the following academic year.)

The problem with this definition is that it refers only to a counter's
receiving "countable financial aid . . . for the first time." When applying
that to a transfer who received countable financial aid from his prior
institution, it is not at all clear from the definition whether it applies
only to the financial aid received for the first time at the prior
institution, or also to the financial aid received for the first time at the
latter instituion. For example, Zach Taylor (IIRC) first enrolled at Wake
Forest in 2002; he was thus an "initial counter" at Wake in that year. He
redshirted in 2002, was a backup in 2003, and played at Butler County CC in
2004. He has now enrolled at NU. Is he an "initial counter" again at NU? The
definition is of little help in answering the quesiton.

My guess, though, is that the rule intends to apply
institution-by-institution, so that a player is an "initial counter" every
time he first receives financial aid at any institution. I say that
primarily because if the intent were otherwise, the rules would surely
address the treatment of transfer student-athletes. I can find no such
provision, so I assume they are treated by the definition in 15.02.3.1.

If I'm right on this, all 30 of NU's recruits (31 if we can land Reggie
Smith) will be "initial counters". How, then, can NU sign more than 25? The
answer lies (at least in part) in Bylaw 15.5.5.3.2, which states:
Recruited Student-Athlete Entering after Fall Term, Aided in First Year. A
student-athlete recruited by the awarding institution who enters subsequent
to the first term of the academic year and immediately receives
institutional financial aid . . . shall be an initial counter for either the
current academic year (if the institution's annual limit has not been
reached) or the next academic year.

HuskerPedia's list of recruits for 2004 has only 18 players on it. I seem to
recall that Callahan awarded scholarships to two walkons. Sam Koch was one
of them; I don't recall the other (someone else's memory may be better than
mine on this). If I am right on this, NU has five slots available for the
2004-05 school year (subject, of course, to the overall limit of 85). Five
JC transfers have signed LOIs with the intent of enrolling for the spring
semester (HI reported this week that Barry Cryer may not be academically
eligible, so maybe only four have actually enrolled). Because NU has the
five slots available for the present academic year, those five (or four) can
be considered as "initial counters" for this academic year.

So, NU has 25 or 26 (perhaps 27 if Smith signs on) initial counters for the
2005-06 academic year. If the number is 26 or 27, enter the "greyshirt". I
believe this phenomenon is addressed by Bylaw 15.5.5.3.5, Midyear
Replacement, which states:
A counter who graduates at midyear or who graduates during the previous
academic year (including summer) may be replaced by an initial counter, who
shall be counted against the initial limit for the following academic year.
A[n] . . . institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it
previously has provided financial aid during that academic year to the
maximum number of overall counters (i.e., 85 total counters) in the sport of
football.

So, if NU has 85 total counters in the 2005-06 academic year, and some of
them graduate in December, or during the current (2004-05) academic year, NU
can award scholarships to an equivalent number of greyshirts for the spring
semester next year and count those against the "initial counter" limits for
2006-07. At least I think so.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is my considered opinion. Remember, however,
that it is worth considerably less than what you paid for it. And if I ever
rendered a conflicting opinion, I was obviously misquoted.

My head hurts.

Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Siporin" <alans@efn.org>
To: <RBEVERAGE@aol.com>; <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>; <husker@romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Scholarship limit question


> On 1/31/05 11:16 AM, "RBEVERAGE@aol.com" <RBEVERAGE@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Zack Taylor had a year at Wake Forest and a year at JC, so he must have
begun
> > his career no later than 2003 and would be charged against that class or
> > possibly a year earlier, if he redshirted.  At any rate, he would not
appear
> > to be
> > chargeable against the 2004-05 year.  That would leave the remaining 4
JC's
> > filling the four open slots in the 2004-05 group.
> >
> > I think Alan is assuming that Taylor began his career in the fall of
2004,
> > which he clearly didn't do.
>
>
> No, I knew about his history. I'm assuming that is irrelevant.
>
> Again, when you started is important to the NCAA clock for your personal
> eligibility. But as far as a team's allotted scholarships, it only matters
> when your scholarship with them begins.
>
> The 4 JCs that count for last year's team count because they are on
> scholarship, NOW. It began for the 2004 class. (December). It was limited
to
> 4, not more, because that's the number that were still remaining on the
2004
> class. Some of the other JCs started their college careers at the same
time
> as some of the four. So, it wouldn't make sense for them to be part of the
> 2005 class, would it? But it does, because they are considered part of
> Nebraska's 2005 class - REGARDLESS of when they started their overall
> college career.
>
> I'm not sure why this is confusing. If you wait until Wednesday and read
the
> articles and coaches comments, I think it will become clear. Hopefully.
>
> Alan
>
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Feb  1 01:36:26 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Feb  1 01:36:29 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (Ridiculously Long) (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502010736.j117aQBh021909@romaine.tssi.com>

> My head hurts.

Welcome to the NCAA Headache Clinic, Dick.  

I think the key phrase of the whole thing, and one that could be made
quite a bit clearer by adding a few words is this:

15.02.3.1:  An "inital counter" is a counter who is receiving countable
financial aid in a sport for the first time.

What would clear this up?

How about adding "at THIS institution" or "at ANY institution" at the
end of the sentence.

I'm kind of literal minded about this.  To me 'for the first time' means 
exactly that.  If so, there is only one first time for any student-athlete, 
and it could come at another school.  This is consistent with how the NCAA
interprets other regulations, such as whether someone has participated in 
a sport in any fashion during any given year, including at other institutions.  

For example, remember the athlete who had scrimmaged at one junior college, 
dropped out, then played at another school the following year before 
tranferring to Nebraska, and as a result was actually ineligible his 
final year at Nebraska, something that came up just before the bowl game?

Thus, my understanding is that what 15.02.3.1 means is "at any institution", 
which is why schools can routinely sign 25 incoming freshman plus a number 
of JC transfers every year.  This is, however, not the interpretation 
that many here and in the media seem to give to this phrase.  

Another problem is that not all JC transfers may have been initial
counters at their other school, and it would take an examination of 
their records from the other institution (something UNL can do but we 
cannot) to ascertain whether they received athletic-related financial 
aid at that school.
--
Mike Nolan

From jeffv at alphavideo.com  Tue Feb  1 08:16:56 2005
From: jeffv at alphavideo.com (Jeff Volk)
Date: Tue Feb  1 08:17:40 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (Ridiculously Long) (fwd)
Message-ID: <4F3BDB8A21E06943A7AF378A57513402A2CFA8@Chiba.alphavideo.com>

All of this dissection of NCAA regulations and the interpretation thereof has me about to fall asleep. 

Isn't it safe to say that the football department, including the coaching staff, recruiting staff and administrative staff has an EXACT handle on how many scholarships they have to offer and are attempting to sign that many players as a result? 

In turn doesn't that make this entire conversation a mute point? 

Just wondering and somewhat stating what I think should be the obvious. 

Sincerely,

Jeffrey Volk

From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Tue Feb  1 08:53:53 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Tue Feb  1 08:54:37 2005
Subject: [Husker] Waiting for the furor!
Message-ID: <E9F6BAC191B8744D86881015D1C5FFD94F8951@mailsrvr.omahasteaks.com>

            I'm surprised this hasn't come up on the list here and I'm
sure someone will write in the Public Pulse or Voice from the Grandstand
complaining about it but I'm surprised we haven't heard from anyone
complaining about Harrison Beck's mother getting off a speeding ticket
because of who he was. Now I'm sure he was exaggerating when he said she
was going 105 mph to get him to the spring game but I'm sure she was
more than a little above 75 mph speed limit. We'll have to see how bad
the backlash is. I know from my uncle's experience he got backlash when
he, as a Douglas County judge, gave Keith Jones a break when he was
pulled over for expired license plates. Jones was on his way to Omaha to
take care of the problem when he was pulled over and my uncle just gave
him a small fine and court cost. Now I'm sure my uncle's comments to the
OWH saying he was a Notre Dame fan but after meeting such a fine young
man as Jones he was definitely a Husker fan didn't help but he was
berated in the Voice and Pulse for a couple of weeks. As I said, I'm
just surprised it wasn't brought up yet. 

            On another note, I did find it ironic that a couples days
after I wrote in telling everyone on the List to show a bit of reserve
when it came to the upcoming recruiting class that the OWH would have a
large article about our number one recruiting class back in '85.
Especially poignant was how it didn't really pan out as a number one
recruiting class on the field. It also showed how sick of a Husker fan I
am seeing as I recognized a lot of names from the class and not just the
usual suspects. I blame my father for that i.e. there's recruiting
season, spring ball, summer (which always sucked Husker football wise)
and then the season itself. 

 

Sean

 

P.S. KETV is still showing a special on the recruiting class. It was
tentatively scheduled for nine but with the State of the Union speech it
has been moved to seven on Wednesday. 

From andy at knipp.com  Tue Feb  1 09:16:07 2005
From: andy at knipp.com (Andy Knipp)
Date: Tue Feb  1 09:16:53 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (Ridiculously Long) (fwd)
Message-ID: <20050201151608.29E7AEDF97@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com>




> 
> Isn't it safe to say that the football department, including the coaching 
> staff, recruiting staff and administrative staff has an EXACT handle on how 
> many scholarships they have to offer and are attempting to sign that many 
> players as a result?
> 
> In turn doesn't that make this entire conversation a mute point?
> 
> Just wondering and somewhat stating what I think should be the obvious.


One would hope so.   Does the team have a compliance officer or just the AD ?  

That being said,  there have been enough cases of paperwork being incorrect and teams 
out of compliance without trying to break the rules. 



Andy Knipp
andy@knipp.com
(480) 818-1026 (M)


From theo at heise.nu  Tue Feb  1 09:28:30 2005
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Tue Feb  1 09:29:28 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (Ridiculously Long) (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <4F3BDB8A21E06943A7AF378A57513402A2CFA8@Chiba.alphavideo.com>
References: <4F3BDB8A21E06943A7AF378A57513402A2CFA8@Chiba.alphavideo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0502011024550.8380@linus.heise.nu>



On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Jeff Volk wrote:

> Isn't it safe to say that the football department, including the
> coaching staff, recruiting staff and administrative staff has an
> EXACT handle on how many scholarships they have to offer and are
> attempting to sign that many players as a result?

>From my experience with compliance in other areas, compliance is
seldom exact.  I would hope the department has a rational, uniform
policy that they can defend under any inspection.  Any inspection
process is generally colored by the inspector's interpretation of
the rules, so it's not cut and dried.


> In turn doesn't that make this entire conversation a mute point?

It could make it moot, but I don't think it does.

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From dkarre at comcast.net  Tue Feb  1 09:52:03 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Tue Feb  1 09:48:46 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (Ridiculously Long) (fwd)
References: <4F3BDB8A21E06943A7AF378A57513402A2CFA8@Chiba.alphavideo.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c50875$f9e5a5e0$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

It is certainly safe to say that someone on the staff SHOULD have an exact
handle on correct number of recruits, and I suspect they do. But if the
subject were "mute", things would be awfully quiet; it might, however, be
"moot".
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Volk" <jeffv@alphavideo.com>
To: <husker@romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (Ridiculously Long) (fwd)


> All of this dissection of NCAA regulations and the interpretation thereof
has me about to fall asleep.
>
> Isn't it safe to say that the football department, including the coaching
staff, recruiting staff and administrative staff has an EXACT handle on how
many scholarships they have to offer and are attempting to sign that many
players as a result?
>
> In turn doesn't that make this entire conversation a mute point?
>
> Just wondering and somewhat stating what I think should be the obvious.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeffrey Volk
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker


From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Feb  1 10:40:30 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Feb  1 10:40:32 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (Ridiculously Long) (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502011640.j11GeUHG028424@romaine.tssi.com>

> > Just wondering and somewhat stating what I think should be the obvious.
> 
> One would hope so.   Does the team have a compliance officer or just the AD ?  
> 
> That being said,  there have been enough cases of paperwork being incorrect and teams 
> out of compliance without trying to break the rules. 

Keeping all the paperwork straight for all the athletes on all the teams,
plus recruits, is a lot of work.

UNL, like most schools, has an NCAA Compliance Officer, but that didn't
keep Nebraska from being found to have violated several rules in at least
two sports in the past few years, did it?

I suspect that the NCAA holds numerous seminars during the year on how 
to interpret the regulations properly rather than expecting even academics 
to slog through the Handbook.  I doubt the media is invited to attend them.
--
Mike Nolan

From ralloway at unlnotes.unl.edu  Tue Feb  1 11:02:46 2005
From: ralloway at unlnotes.unl.edu (Richard K Alloway)
Date: Tue Feb  1 10:54:17 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (Ridiculously Long) (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200502011640.j11GeUHG028424@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <OFF51EAD10.CB6D7D92-ON86256F9B.005D12C0-86256F9B.005CD6C0@unl.edu>





> I suspect that the NCAA holds numerous seminars during the year on how
> to interpret the regulations properly rather than expecting even
academics
> to slog through the Handbook.  I doubt the media is invited to attend
them.

I have a member of the UNL NCAA compliance staff come talk to the students
in my sports broadcasting course each fall.  The session is geared just
toward media-related compliance issues, and the students have found it to
be very helpful.  I don't know if the compliance folks schedule any such
sessions for the professional media folks, but I imagine they would be
willing to do so if asked.

Rick
----------------------------------------
Rick Alloway
General Manager, 90.3 KRNU
Assistant Professor of Broadcasting
College of Journalism & Mass Communications
147 Andersen Hall
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Lincoln, NE  68588-0466

(402) 472-6856 (office)
(402) 450-6025 (cell)
ralloway1@unl.edu

From mgreen at nebraska.edu  Tue Feb  1 11:11:19 2005
From: mgreen at nebraska.edu (Merlin Green)
Date: Tue Feb  1 11:11:42 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (Ridiculously Long) (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <OFF51EAD10.CB6D7D92-ON86256F9B.005D12C0-86256F9B.005CD6C0@unl.edu>
Message-ID: <OFB4A0C203.233DE656-ON86256F9B.005DB3D8-86256F9B.005E6B35@nebraska.edu>

In the same vein as the Rick Alloway post below, I am a member of the board
of directors of the Fastbreakers (the women's BB support group) and every
year during our first or second meeting we have a member of the compliance
staff talk to us on what we can and can't do in our meetings with the team
members and coaching staff.  The NCAA  rules are mind-boggling in their
complexity.  As an example I have become good friends with Jina Johansen (
a women's BB player)  and her family through the years.  My wife and I can
invite the Johansens to our house periodically for a meal prepared by
ourselves.  But we are not allowed to serve them a catered meal or would we
be allowed to buy them a meal at a restaurant.

The compliance meeting is always the longest board meeting of the year.

Merlin Green




                                                                           
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> I suspect that the NCAA holds numerous seminars during the year on how
> to interpret the regulations properly rather than expecting even
academics
> to slog through the Handbook.  I doubt the media is invited to attend
them.

I have a member of the UNL NCAA compliance staff come talk to the students
in my sports broadcasting course each fall.  The session is geared just
toward media-related compliance issues, and the students have found it to
be very helpful.  I don't know if the compliance folks schedule any such
sessions for the professional media folks, but I imagine they would be
willing to do so if asked.

Rick
----------------------------------------
Rick Alloway
General Manager, 90.3 KRNU
Assistant Professor of Broadcasting
College of Journalism & Mass Communications
147 Andersen Hall
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Lincoln, NE  68588-0466

(402) 472-6856 (office)
(402) 450-6025 (cell)
ralloway1@unl.edu

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Feb  1 11:29:10 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Feb  1 11:29:12 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (Ridiculously Long) (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502011729.j11HTAgo028737@romaine.tssi.com>

> I have a member of the UNL NCAA compliance staff come talk to the students
> in my sports broadcasting course each fall.  The session is geared just
> toward media-related compliance issues, and the students have found it to
> be very helpful.  I don't know if the compliance folks schedule any such
> sessions for the professional media folks, but I imagine they would be
> willing to do so if asked.

The question to me is whether the media would send their reporters to
those sessions, if UNL or the NCAA held them.  I think that if it 
doesn't lead to a story, the media would consider it wasted time.  
--
Mike Nolan

From khris at verizon.net  Tue Feb  1 11:57:38 2005
From: khris at verizon.net (C. Monty Seidler)
Date: Tue Feb  1 12:03:31 2005
Subject: [Husker] Waiting for the furor!
Message-ID: <20050201180245.IGGR4572.pop001.verizon.net@pop001pub.verizon.net>

You guys don't know anything about Clearwater driving. That's about the speed limit on Hwy 19 through that town, Cowboy! 

I think it's 85 on the Causeway! :)

As far as the "draft" is concerned, ignorance is bliss! :)
============================================================
From: "Sean McGrath" <SeanM@omahasteaks.com>
Date: 2005/02/01 Tue AM 09:53:53 EST
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Subject: [Husker] Waiting for the furor!

            I'm surprised this hasn't come up on the list here and I'm
sure someone will write in the Public Pulse or Voice from the Grandstand
complaining about it but I'm surprised we haven't heard from anyone
complaining about Harrison Beck's mother getting off a speeding ticket
because of who he was. Now I'm sure he was exaggerating when he said she
was going 105 mph to get him to the spring game but I'm sure she was
more than a little above 75 mph speed limit. We'll have to see how bad
the backlash is. I know from my uncle's experience he got backlash when
he, as a Douglas County judge, gave Keith Jones a break when he was
pulled over for expired license plates. Jones was on his way to Omaha to
take care of the problem when he was pulled over and my uncle just gave
him a small fine and court cost. Now I'm sure my uncle's comments to the
OWH saying he was a Notre Dame fan but after meeting such a fine young
man as Jones he was definitely a Husker fan didn't help but he was
berated in the Voice and Pulse for a couple of weeks. As I said, I'm
just surprised it wasn't brought up yet. 

            On another note, I did find it ironic that a couples days
after I wrote in telling everyone on the List to show a bit of reserve
when it came to the upcoming recruiting class that the OWH would have a
large article about our number one recruiting class back in '85.
Especially poignant was how it didn't really pan out as a number one
recruiting class on the field. It also showed how sick of a Husker fan I
am seeing as I recognized a lot of names from the class and not just the
usual suspects. I blame my father for that i.e. there's recruiting
season, spring ball, summer (which always sucked Husker football wise)
and then the season itself. 

 

Sean

 

P.S. KETV is still showing a special on the recruiting class. It was
tentatively scheduled for nine but with the State of the Union speech it
has been moved to seven on Wednesday. 

_______________________________________________
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http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker

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From khris at verizon.net  Tue Feb  1 11:58:54 2005
From: khris at verizon.net (C. Monty Seidler)
Date: Tue Feb  1 12:05:09 2005
Subject: [Husker] Waiting for the furor!
Message-ID: <20050201180417.IGYU4572.pop001.verizon.net@pop001pub.verizon.net>

You guys don't know anything about Clearwater driving. That's about the speed limit on Hwy 19 through that town, Cowboy! 

I think it's 85 on the Causeway! :)

As far as the "draft" is concerned, ignorance is bliss! :)
============================================================
From: "Sean McGrath" <SeanM@omahasteaks.com>
Date: 2005/02/01 Tue AM 09:53:53 EST
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Subject: [Husker] Waiting for the furor!

            I'm surprised this hasn't come up on the list here and I'm
sure someone will write in the Public Pulse or Voice from the Grandstand
complaining about it but I'm surprised we haven't heard from anyone
complaining about Harrison Beck's mother getting off a speeding ticket
because of who he was. Now I'm sure he was exaggerating when he said she
was going 105 mph to get him to the spring game but I'm sure she was
more than a little above 75 mph speed limit. We'll have to see how bad
the backlash is. I know from my uncle's experience he got backlash when
he, as a Douglas County judge, gave Keith Jones a break when he was
pulled over for expired license plates. Jones was on his way to Omaha to
take care of the problem when he was pulled over and my uncle just gave
him a small fine and court cost. Now I'm sure my uncle's comments to the
OWH saying he was a Notre Dame fan but after meeting such a fine young
man as Jones he was definitely a Husker fan didn't help but he was
berated in the Voice and Pulse for a couple of weeks. As I said, I'm
just surprised it wasn't brought up yet. 

            On another note, I did find it ironic that a couples days
after I wrote in telling everyone on the List to show a bit of reserve
when it came to the upcoming recruiting class that the OWH would have a
large article about our number one recruiting class back in '85.
Especially poignant was how it didn't really pan out as a number one
recruiting class on the field. It also showed how sick of a Husker fan I
am seeing as I recognized a lot of names from the class and not just the
usual suspects. I blame my father for that i.e. there's recruiting
season, spring ball, summer (which always sucked Husker football wise)
and then the season itself. 

 

Sean

 

P.S. KETV is still showing a special on the recruiting class. It was
tentatively scheduled for nine but with the State of the Union speech it
has been moved to seven on Wednesday. 

_______________________________________________
husker site list
husker@tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker

============================================================


From gwfead at cox.net  Tue Feb  1 21:47:31 2005
From: gwfead at cox.net (Gary Fead)
Date: Tue Feb  1 21:45:47 2005
Subject: [Husker] BB (Men & Women) & Kent Pavelka
Message-ID: <000801c508d9$ed01f0e0$997d0d44@cx868370b>

Good Evening All:

First off the men easily won tonight over Utah Valley State 91-57, while the ladies won on a last second shot 73-71 over Oklahoma State in Stillwater. 

The men will host Kansas on Saturday in Lincoln the game tips off at 11:05 AM CT and will be seen nationally on ESPN. The women return home to face Oklahoma on Sunday at the Devaney Center, tip-off is at 2:05 PM. 

Now for Kent Pavelka (I know Mike can't wait for the Kent controversy to get started on this list again), for someone who has not broadcast a Husker game in nearly 9 years he sounded pretty darn good. I know Kent was thrilled to do the game and that Paul Aaron asked him to do it as well. 

As for what may happen down the road with Kent we'll just have to wait and see. I don't run Pinnacle but if I did, I would make a change (not this season but starting next season) and return Kent to handle the play by play on the basketball games and pair him up with Matt. Kent and Matt would be quite a pair filled with enthusiasm and Kent's delivery is smoother than Randy's as far as play by play goes. I have never met Randy but from what I hear from others he is a very nice person and I certainly have nothing against him.

I would then move Randy to the Pinnacle studio and let him host the pre, half and post game segments of the broadcast. The coach's post game show would have to originate from the game site with Kent and Matt, but Randy could do a post mortem and scoreboard show after the coach's show. The current set of people doing the halftime on the radio broadcasts sound like interns to me and they frequently leave a lot of "dead air" and have trouble with reading some of the copy  and the various outcues that Pinnacle uses in their broadcast. Randy has very good basketball knowledge and handles interviews well and would do an excellent job with the segments I previously mentioned.  

Gary Fead
Omaha
From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 23:44:21 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb  1 23:48:24 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Roundballers
Message-ID: <7d.621ad7bc.2f31c2b5@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/30/05 3:53:46 PM Central Standard Time, 
rrbeach@rrbeach.com writes:


> No one has brought it up yet, that I have seen anyway, but NU got their's 
> handed to them against Texas Tech on Saturday 84-68.  The game was worse than 
> the score indicated.  It was a very lethargic outing by the Huskers who, to 
> me, seemed to act like they really wished they were someplace else.  I guess 
> it is pretty indicative of how big a deal the men's BB progrom is to fans when 
> the football signing day generates more excitement than the basketball team 
> which is into the conference season.

Potential uniform changes and a ton of other things a whole lot less 
significant than this year's signing day generate more excitement on this list than 
the Cornhusker basketball team, Bob.  You have a keen sense for the obvious.

NU was very bad Saturday, but to say the the game was worse than the score 
indicated is really not true.  I believe the biggest lead Tech had was by the 
final margin of 16.    NU was within 8 with two minutes to go in an ugly game, 
I'll admit.  But it's not like they were ever down 25 or 30, or anywhere near 
that.  So to say that the game was worse than the score indicated is simply not 
accurate.

I know you can't stand Collier, Bob.  But tell me again that this basketball 
program hasn't improved a lick since he's been here.  Post-season last year 
... not a sniff prior to that.  That's measurable improvement -- not just my 
opinion.  But by actually going to the Devaney Center and knowing a little about 
the game, I see the improvement in other ways too.

But this season has been a frustrating one for those of us who actually 
follow Husker basketball closely.  Collier has specific things he does that I don't 
necessarily agree with (as I'd mentioned in a previous post), but I won't cop 
out and totally blame him for a senior class that's been AWOL as a general 
rule this year (including this Tech game where they went a combined 9 of 28 from 
the field).  The upperclassmen have to take some ownership at some point.  
These seniors (three of the four are four-year players, one -- Marcus Neal -- a 
JC transfer) showed noticable improvement from their freshman year to their 
junior year, but this year has been an unexplainable step backward.  And Neal 
was better last year than this.  They seem to be good students and great kids 
... just a tough, tough year collectively.  Something we had every right to 
"count on" going into the season simply hasn't been there.  

At least NU hit 76 percent from the line against Bobby's boys.  They were bad 
at Tech ... they stunk up the second half at Missouri.  But they're 3 and 4 
in conference play with four of the next six league games at home (and one of 
the road games is at Baylor).  Nebraka's best players are underclassmen.  When 
names like White, Harris and Walker are added to the likes of McCray, Maric 
and Wilkensen ... I'm interested to see what it looks like.  The recruiting 
class Barry and Spinelli have coming in is very good.  The talent level over this 
year and next is a measurable step or two (or three?) forward.  Experience is 
not as important in basketball as it is in football.  No where close.  Giving 
newcomers the minutes allocated to seniors this year will not be a big risk.  

As a long-time Husker basketball constituent, the next two years are what 
I've been waiting for.  Escort Collier to the airport if he hasn't won an NCAA 
game at the end of the 2006-2007 season.  Go for it.  But the talent level's 
improving, I'm looking forward to watching it and I'm not going to remain quiet 
(although I tell myself I should) when slanted, non-specific, inaccurate 
criticisms are presented about something I know a little bit about.

Bob ... you've been saying some things about Collier and his program that are 
uninformed and inaccurate.  I wish you'd offer up some specific criticisms 
related to the game itself instead of the knee-jerk "nobody cares/fire the 
coach" dreck.  It gets really old and shows a lack of anything except the most 
basic, superficial knowledge of Husker basketball.

Dave Norris
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Feb  2 01:11:08 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Feb  2 01:11:11 2005
Subject: [Husker] BB (Men & Women) & Kent Pavelka (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502020711.j127B8mQ000867@romaine.tssi.com>

> As for what may happen down the road with Kent we'll just have to wait and see. I don't run Pinnacle but if I did, I would make a change (not this season but starting next season) and return Kent to handle the play by play on the basketball games and pair him up with Matt. Kent and Matt would be quite a pair filled with enthusiasm and Kent's delivery is smoother than Randy's as far as play by play goes. I have never met Randy but from what I hear from others he is a very nice person and I certainly have nothing against him.

I always thought Kent was at his best doing basketball.  Part of it is
that I think the pace of the game is fast enough that he doesn't have
time to be getting carried away on the mike.  

I'm not sure what Jim Rose's best game is, but I have my doubts that
it's football.  I had to listen to a couple of games last fall and I
had a lot of trouble following whatever game it was Rose was calling.

I didn't have that problem with Warren Swaine, though I had other problems
with him, he was about as interesting as meat loaf at a church supper.
But at least I could picture the game with him.  Watching the highlights
after listing to Rose calling the game is like reading an O. Henry
story, full of surprises.

Kent's biggest problem is that he wasn't Bremser, but thought he
could be.  Sadly, the golden days of Husker radio were in the 70's,
and I don't see the Pinnacle situation ever coming up with any voice 
to match any of the great announcers of those years.  (Even the 
ultimate in bland, Dick Perry, laughingly promoted by KFOR as 'Mr Excitement',
would be an improvement.)
--
Mike Nolan

From darin at satori3.com  Wed Feb  2 08:09:44 2005
From: darin at satori3.com (Darin Mattke)
Date: Wed Feb  2 08:11:07 2005
Subject: [Husker] Roundballers
References: <7d.621ad7bc.2f31c2b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <018701c50930$df4a5d00$34e95093@bdm.dhs.state.tx.us>

Dave,
Thanks for bringing more attention to the basketball program and requesting
more specific critique of the games and system.  I no longer live in
Nebraska and would like to see a more in-depth analysis of our team from
fans.  This forum allows us to concentrate on more specifics than the media
can do, even if it is 'amateur' opinion, speculation or random thoughts.
Having concrete criticisms gives us all more to think about and discuss.

I hope more will offer their thoughts on the basketball program and
critiques of the games!

BTW, I'm just as excited about signing day - I can follow multiple threads!
;-)
Darin
Husker in the ATX
(Austin, Texas)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <NUStLNorris@aol.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:44 PM
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Roundballers


> In a message dated 1/30/05 3:53:46 PM Central Standard Time,
> rrbeach@rrbeach.com writes:
>
>
> > No one has brought it up yet, that I have seen anyway, but NU got
their's
> > handed to them against Texas Tech on Saturday 84-68.  The game was worse
than
> > the score indicated.  It was a very lethargic outing by the Huskers who,
to
> > me, seemed to act like they really wished they were someplace else.  I
guess
> > it is pretty indicative of how big a deal the men's BB progrom is to
fans when
> > the football signing day generates more excitement than the basketball
team
> > which is into the conference season.
>
> Potential uniform changes and a ton of other things a whole lot less
> significant than this year's signing day generate more excitement on this
list than
> the Cornhusker basketball team, Bob.  You have a keen sense for the
obvious.
>
> NU was very bad Saturday, but to say the the game was worse than the score
> indicated is really not true.  I believe the biggest lead Tech had was by
the
> final margin of 16.    NU was within 8 with two minutes to go in an ugly
game,
> I'll admit.  But it's not like they were ever down 25 or 30, or anywhere
near
> that.  So to say that the game was worse than the score indicated is
simply not
> accurate.
>
> I know you can't stand Collier, Bob.  But tell me again that this
basketball
> program hasn't improved a lick since he's been here.  Post-season last
year
> ... not a sniff prior to that.  That's measurable improvement -- not just
my
> opinion.  But by actually going to the Devaney Center and knowing a little
about
> the game, I see the improvement in other ways too.
>
> But this season has been a frustrating one for those of us who actually
> follow Husker basketball closely.  Collier has specific things he does
that I don't
> necessarily agree with (as I'd mentioned in a previous post), but I won't
cop
> out and totally blame him for a senior class that's been AWOL as a general
> rule this year (including this Tech game where they went a combined 9 of
28 from
> the field).  The upperclassmen have to take some ownership at some point.
> These seniors (three of the four are four-year players, one -- Marcus
Neal -- a
> JC transfer) showed noticable improvement from their freshman year to
their
> junior year, but this year has been an unexplainable step backward.  And
Neal
> was better last year than this.  They seem to be good students and great
kids
> ... just a tough, tough year collectively.  Something we had every right
to
> "count on" going into the season simply hasn't been there.
>
> At least NU hit 76 percent from the line against Bobby's boys.  They were
bad
> at Tech ... they stunk up the second half at Missouri.  But they're 3 and
4
> in conference play with four of the next six league games at home (and one
of
> the road games is at Baylor).  Nebraka's best players are underclassmen.
When
> names like White, Harris and Walker are added to the likes of McCray,
Maric
> and Wilkensen ... I'm interested to see what it looks like.  The
recruiting
> class Barry and Spinelli have coming in is very good.  The talent level
over this
> year and next is a measurable step or two (or three?) forward.  Experience
is
> not as important in basketball as it is in football.  No where close.
Giving
> newcomers the minutes allocated to seniors this year will not be a big
risk.
>
> As a long-time Husker basketball constituent, the next two years are what
> I've been waiting for.  Escort Collier to the airport if he hasn't won an
NCAA
> game at the end of the 2006-2007 season.  Go for it.  But the talent
level's
> improving, I'm looking forward to watching it and I'm not going to remain
quiet
> (although I tell myself I should) when slanted, non-specific, inaccurate
> criticisms are presented about something I know a little bit about.
>
> Bob ... you've been saying some things about Collier and his program that
are
> uninformed and inaccurate.  I wish you'd offer up some specific criticisms
> related to the game itself instead of the knee-jerk "nobody cares/fire the
> coach" dreck.  It gets really old and shows a lack of anything except the
most
> basic, superficial knowledge of Husker basketball.
>
> Dave Norris
>


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From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Wed Feb  2 08:26:34 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Wed Feb  2 08:27:15 2005
Subject: [Husker] Reggie Smith
Message-ID: <E9F6BAC191B8744D86881015D1C5FFD94724C9@mailsrvr.omahasteaks.com>

Does anyone have any idea what time his letter of intent signing press
conference is? Thanks!

 

Sean

From j.harmon at tcu.edu  Wed Feb  2 08:40:51 2005
From: j.harmon at tcu.edu (Harmon, Josh)
Date: Wed Feb  2 08:40:11 2005
Subject: [Husker] Reggie Smith
Message-ID: <240156E724FD4B43B5D4EA0F86C6BC8A50385F@fsmail3.is.tcu.edu>

There's a live chat with Lemming on ESPN right now.  Says Perilleaux signed at LSU (not a huge surprise but much nashing of teeth down here--not by me).  Lemming said Reggie Smith is more than likely going Oklahoma.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=7182#bottom

-----Original Message-----
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Of Jen_Sens
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:33 AM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Reggie Smith


No press conference, but he is signing at around 9:30 CST



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Subject: [Husker] Reggie Smith


Does anyone have any idea what time his letter of intent signing press
conference is? Thanks!

 

Sean

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From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Wed Feb  2 08:43:40 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Wed Feb  2 08:44:45 2005
Subject: [Husker] Reggie Smith
Message-ID: <E9F6BAC191B8744D86881015D1C5FFD94724CB@mailsrvr.omahasteaks.com>

I thought the OWH said he was going to have one. Oh well, as long as we
hear as soon as possible. 

Sean (with fingers and toes crossed)

-----Original Message-----
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Of Jen_Sens
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:33 AM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Reggie Smith

No press conference, but he is signing at around 9:30 CST



----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: [Husker] Reggie Smith


Does anyone have any idea what time his letter of intent signing press
conference is? Thanks!

 

Sean

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From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Wed Feb  2 08:59:16 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Wed Feb  2 09:00:06 2005
Subject: [Husker] Reggie Smith
Message-ID: <E9F6BAC191B8744D86881015D1C5FFD94724CC@mailsrvr.omahasteaks.com>

Wow, I heard Perilleaux was a firm Tejas commit but I did hear that LSU
was making a huge push for him. Let's hope Lemming is wrong about Smith
going to OU. 

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Harmon, Josh
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:41 AM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [Husker] Reggie Smith

There's a live chat with Lemming on ESPN right now.  Says Perilleaux
signed at LSU (not a huge surprise but much nashing of teeth down
here--not by me).  Lemming said Reggie Smith is more than likely going
Oklahoma.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=7182#bottom

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
Of Jen_Sens
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:33 AM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Reggie Smith


No press conference, but he is signing at around 9:30 CST



----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: [Husker] Reggie Smith


Does anyone have any idea what time his letter of intent signing press
conference is? Thanks!

 

Sean

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From andy at knipp.com  Wed Feb  2 10:28:05 2005
From: andy at knipp.com (Andy Knipp)
Date: Wed Feb  2 10:28:46 2005
Subject: [Husker] Reggie Smith
Message-ID: <20050202162805.3F8412F937@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Smith chose OU



Andy Knipp
andy@knipp.com
(480) 818-1026 (M)


From pibel at saintmail.net  Wed Feb  2 10:48:31 2005
From: pibel at saintmail.net (pibel)
Date: Wed Feb  2 10:56:22 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Reggie Smith
Message-ID: <4201045f.2a4.49b8.27197@saintmail.net>

This is not a major surprise. Smith is a very low key kid
who has a great family and likely wanted to stay close to
them. Edmond is a 30-45 minute drive from Norman even in
busy traffic.

Kerry Hookstra
Erick, Oklahoma(awaiting the official signings and news
conference later this afternoon from Huskers.com beginning
at 2:55 p.m.)

----- Message Forwarded on Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:42:18 -0400
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To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Reggie Smith
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:28:05 -0700

Smith chose OU



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From marklandin at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 11:14:34 2005
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Wed Feb  2 11:15:50 2005
Subject: [Husker] Reggie Smith
In-Reply-To: <4201045f.2a4.49b8.27197@saintmail.net>
References: <4201045f.2a4.49b8.27197@saintmail.net>
Message-ID: <16ee270e050202091475989ec2@mail.gmail.com>

One wonders why he waited so long to reveal his intentions. If he was
going OU, there was no reason to not say so as soon as he had decided.
My guess is he really didn't know until very very recently.

> This is not a major surprise. Smith is a very low key kid
> who has a great family and likely wanted to stay close to
> them. Edmond is a 30-45 minute drive from Norman even in
> busy traffic.

From dkarre at comcast.net  Wed Feb  2 11:20:53 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Wed Feb  2 11:17:39 2005
Subject: [Husker] Reggie Smith
References: <4201045f.2a4.49b8.27197@saintmail.net>
Message-ID: <003901c5094b$8d7b6a80$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

According to Rivals, everyone has signed except for Lucky, Hickman and Suh.
Scout.com says it's everyone other than Suh and R. Picou.
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
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Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Reggie Smith


> This is not a major surprise. Smith is a very low key kid
> who has a great family and likely wanted to stay close to
> them. Edmond is a 30-45 minute drive from Norman even in
> busy traffic.
>
> Kerry Hookstra
> Erick, Oklahoma(awaiting the official signings and news
> conference later this afternoon from Huskers.com beginning
> at 2:55 p.m.)
>
> ----- Message Forwarded on Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:42:18 -0400
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> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Reggie Smith
> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:28:05 -0700
>
> Smith chose OU
>
>
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> Andy Knipp
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From weldoc at juno.com  Wed Feb  2 11:46:43 2005
From: weldoc at juno.com (weldoc@juno.com)
Date: Wed Feb  2 11:41:16 2005
Subject: [Husker] caution
Message-ID: <20050202.115509.-1786455.1.weldoc@juno.com>

>From the vantage point of a 42-season bandwagon fan, who took last season
off:

The Wichita Eagle today trumpeted NU's blue chip recruiting class. It
looks like a lot of hard work. I hope everyting turns out well next
season.

I'd caution, however, NU fans who understandably are starved for success
via three gentle reminders:

1) UT has had Top 10 blue-chip recruiting classes for YEARS and where has
it gotten them ?

2) Getting pampered and puffed-up recruits to bury individual egos and
play as a team is a whole 'nuther deal.

3) T.O. was renowned for passing up so-called blue chips, for those he'd
determined had the right work ethic. He placed emphasis on intangibles
other than pure athletic talent and high-school or juco stats. Not that
those weren't important--they just weren't the ONLY thing. In this light,
if everyone so highly-sought-after played next year, I wonder what
percentage of starters would still be Nebraska-born boys ?

It wasn't so long ago that it was Barry Collier's honeymoon first
roundball season, and I remember Husker List posters taking the
opportunity to blast Nee (one more time) for "ignoring" in-state talent,
and thereby alienating Nebraska high school coaches by going for the
exotic, East Coast and other far-flung overlooked gems who could make
immediate impacts. Thank goodness Barry wasn't going to repeat that
horrible situation.

The longer you live, the more you see things cycle around.

Bill Laughlin,
Wichita, KS

From John.Killmar at STJUDE.ORG  Wed Feb  2 12:15:38 2005
From: John.Killmar at STJUDE.ORG (Killmar, John)
Date: Wed Feb  2 12:17:02 2005
Subject: [Husker] USA Today on Nebraska's Recruiting
Message-ID: <67C5DCA3F0C94E4186175E682FBB362304457867@SJMEMXMB01.stjude.sjcrh.local>

USA Today has a short piece on Nebraska's successful recruiting today.  

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/recruiting/2005-02-02-si
gning-day_x.htm


John Killmar



From jeffv at alphavideo.com  Wed Feb  2 13:10:20 2005
From: jeffv at alphavideo.com (Jeff Volk)
Date: Wed Feb  2 13:10:58 2005
Subject: [Husker] caution
Message-ID: <4F3BDB8A21E06943A7AF378A57513402A2CFAC@Chiba.alphavideo.com>

>>>1) UT has had Top 10 blue-chip recruiting classes for YEARS and where has
>>>it gotten them ?



I am a little confused as to why people think that UT has gone nowhere as a result of their recruiting. (DISCLAIMER: I HATE UT WITH A PASSION!)

The fact of the matter is that since Mack Brown took over in 1998, UT has finished ranked in the Top 6 of the Final AP Poll 3 times, all in the last 4 seasons. Over that 7 season span they have finished outside of the Top 20 in the Final AP Poll only 1 time, that coming in 1999, Brown's 2nd season. Overall, they have a Final AP Poll Average Ranking of 10.8 over the 7 seasons Brown has been in Austin. 

By contrast, over the same period Nebraska has finished in the Top 8 of Final AP Poll 3 times but has also been NOT RANKED at all 2 times. If you give them a generous estimated ranking of 30 for the 2002 season and of 45 for the 2004 season that gives them a Final AP Poll Average Ranking of 18.8 over the same 7 season span.

If you look at 2002 to 2004, the only years for which I can find the final Rivals.com complete recruiting rankings, you will find:

Texas:

AP Poll...2004-#5, 2003-#12, 2002-#6...Average Ranking-#7.6
Rivals.com...2004-#10, 2003-#15, 2002-#1...Average Ranking-#8.6

Nebraska:

AP Poll...2004-#45(Estimate), 2003-#19, 2002-#30(Estimate)...Average Ranking-#31.3
Rivals.com...2004-#27, 2003-#42, 2002-#40...Average Ranking -#36.3

It is interesting that given the averages, both teams finished, on average, a little bit higher in the Final AP Poll than their recruiting classes in the Final Rivals.com Rankings.

Just for fun I did the same thing for 2 teams that have dominated college football in the new century - Oklahoma and USC. Interestingly enough, I found that their teams also performed to a higher average AP ranking than what was their average recruiting class rank. 

Oklahoma:

AP Poll...2004-#3, 2003-#3, 2002-#5...Average Ranking-#3.6
Rivals.com...2004-#8, 2003-#4, 2004-#7...Average Ranking #6.3

USC:

AP Poll...2004-#1, 2003-#1, 2002-#4...Average Ranking-#2
Rivals.com...2004-#1, 2003-#3, 2002-#13...Average Ranking-#5.6

What does all of this mean. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Although it does tend to suggest that while higher recruiting class rankings do not necessarily mean National Championships, the rankings in general can somewhat predict that your average AP Ranking will be higher - not lower. 

Mainly I am just excited by the recruits and hope that they pan out. Will 1 great recruiting year turn the Huskers back around? NO. Will a couple? Maybe. Do they have a better shot at finishing higher in the Final AP Poll as their Final Rivals.com Ranking increases? A very SMALL statistical sample might suggest yes. 

GO BIG RED!!!

Now going back to work...

Jeffrey Volk


From dkarre at comcast.net  Wed Feb  2 14:04:59 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Wed Feb  2 14:01:35 2005
Subject: [Husker] All In
Message-ID: <00cf01c50962$79db7e40$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

Rivals and Scout.com both report that all of NU's commitments have signed - 30 or 31 in number, depending on whether you count Souder.
Dick Karre
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Feb  2 14:25:41 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Feb  2 14:25:44 2005
Subject: [Husker] rankings and results
Message-ID: <200502022025.j12KPf8h006409@romaine.tssi.com>

As people know, I hold a relatively low regard for recruiting rankings.
If Jimmy the Greek wasn't dead, he'd probably be doing recruiting point
spreads.  :-)

I'm not convinced it measures anything other than conventional wisdom,
And that's not what Nebraska was known for in the past.

If this year's recruiting class is in the top 5, is that a measure of
how much better the recruits are or is it really a measure of how much 
more conventional the Huskers are compared to what they were during the 
Osborne years?  How many of the 8 man football players who have gone on
to be All-Americans at Nebraska made Rival's top 10 at their positions?
(I suspect the answer is zero, that may still be true if you expand
it to the top 100.)

UT is an interesting example, because I think that's likely to be the
next school that fires a successful coach because he wasn't successful
ENOUGH.  (Notre Dame and Nebraska may be the two most recent examples
of that, though there are plenty of folks willing to say that both coaches
deserved their fates.)  

If Mack Brown ever has a 5-6 year, he better hope ESPN needs a color 
analyst, because he'll be lucky not to get tarred and feathered in Austin.
-
Mike Nolan




From wsmith at towson.edu  Wed Feb  2 14:29:32 2005
From: wsmith at towson.edu (Smith, William)
Date: Wed Feb  2 14:32:02 2005
Subject: [Husker] colleges represented in the SuperBowl
Message-ID: <297A831351AED249952AA60078648A2601326FF4@helium.towson.edu>

Our local paper ran an item recently about colleges represented by the combined rosters of the Eagles and Patriots. 

The university with the most former players participating in this week's SuperBowl is the University of Colorado.  



Bill Smith
Towson MD 

From pibel at saintmail.net  Wed Feb  2 14:38:44 2005
From: pibel at saintmail.net (pibel)
Date: Wed Feb  2 14:46:29 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [Husker] Reggie Smith
Message-ID: <42013a54.e5.4f9b.10621@saintmail.net>

The point is not when Smith made up his mind-likely it was
in the last week or so-but rather given what is known about
him and his family situation the most likely place for him
to go to school was close to home. He is the type of
individual who is going to be a positive influence on any
program with which he is involved and he will do it quietly
with no desire to call attention to himself.

Kerry Hookstra
Erick, Oklahoma(where Mack Brown is still considered the
best coach in the Big XII to have at UT because he can't
beat the Sooners)

From: Mark Landin <marklandin@gmail.com>
To: Andy Knipp <andy@knipp.com>
Cc: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Husker] Reggie Smith
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:14:34 -0600

One wonders why he waited so long to reveal his intentions.
If he was going OU, there was no reason to not say so as
soon as he had decided. My guess is he really didn't know
until very very recently.

> This is not a major surprise. Smith is a very low key kid
> who has a great family and likely wanted to stay close to
> them. Edmond is a 30-45 minute drive from Norman even in
> busy traffic.

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From woosage at cox.net  Wed Feb  2 14:49:51 2005
From: woosage at cox.net (David Sage)
Date: Wed Feb  2 14:54:08 2005
Subject: [Husker] Press Conference
Message-ID: <005501c50968$bddc7e40$3ce96644@sage>

The press conference is free on HuskerNside and Huskers.com.

David
From woosage at cox.net  Wed Feb  2 14:50:46 2005
From: woosage at cox.net (David Sage)
Date: Wed Feb  2 14:54:52 2005
Subject: [Husker] More
Message-ID: <005c01c50968$dee64990$3ce96644@sage>

Press conference starts soon.  Around 2:50 or 3 pm
From python3955 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  2 15:13:30 2005
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Wed Feb  2 15:15:15 2005
Subject: Fw: [Husker] Press Conference
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV116651A34906D5FD7E97DBD17E0@phx.gbl>

I couldn't get it to work on Huskers.com, but I have it on
http://www.theomahachannel.com/cfoot553/4156301/detail.html

Monty
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The press conference is free on HuskerNside and Huskers.com.

David


From dkarre at comcast.net  Wed Feb  2 19:35:06 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Wed Feb  2 19:31:48 2005
Subject: [Husker] Byron Smith - Marginally Husker Related
Message-ID: <004401c50990$97db4f00$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

Recall that Smith was going to sign with NU last year until he was arrested for armed robbery, whereupon Callahan dropped him like a bad habit. He has now signed with Arizona.
Dick Karre
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From kmckillip at houston.rr.com  Wed Feb  2 20:58:25 2005
From: kmckillip at houston.rr.com (Kenneth McKillip)
Date: Wed Feb  2 20:59:01 2005
Subject: [Husker] Reggie Smith
References: <20050202162805.3F8412F937@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
	<BAY12-DAV47BA9F373889A80E67E59807E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005f01c5099c$3af4b130$0201a8c0@useruqy2v59qeu>

Jen Sens,

Do you have name?  One key thing I like about the Husker list is people 
typically use real names.  People who sign their names or who's e-mail 
addresses includes their names tend to be more thoughtful than anonymous 
internet posters.  People that don't sometimes tend to let their biases run 
free.  One thing I will say for Bob Beach and Jeff Volk is that they aren't 
afraid to sign their names.  I respect that.

Kirk McKillip

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jen_Sens" <answerman1@hotmail.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Reggie Smith


> It's too bad Stoops decided to switch RS's primary recruiter from Pelini 
> to
> Jackie Shipp. Until that happened odds were very good we get Reggie.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Knipp" <andy@knipp.com>
> To: <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Reggie Smith
>
>
>> Smith chose OU
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Knipp
>> andy@knipp.com
>> (480) 818-1026 (M)
>>
>>
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From python3955 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  2 21:09:14 2005
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Wed Feb  2 21:10:36 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV160E706FCEB0113B6163E5D17F0@phx.gbl>

According to the OWH, the JC's must all count toward the 25 limit. (except 
for 3 of the 5 that signed in December):
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=528&u_xid=13&u_sid=1326550

" Nebraska will crunch the numbers later, how to fit 31 into a 25-player 
class. Three JC transfers who signed in December can be counted in the 2004 
class, and Callahan said NU has contingency plans how to make it all work 
out."

Sure made for an interesting discussion, though.........

Monty 

From kurtholst at netzero.net  Wed Feb  2 21:20:36 2005
From: kurtholst at netzero.net (Kurt Holst)
Date: Wed Feb  2 21:21:01 2005
Subject: [Husker] Complete recruiting class bio's
Message-ID: <42019884.2050305@netzero.net>

http://www.huskersnside.com//pdf4/12155.pdf?SPSID=1&SPID=22&DB_OEM_ID=100

Everything you want to know about the 2005 recuiting class provided by 
HuskersNside (in Adobe PDF format).

Kurt in FL
From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  2 21:26:32 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Wed Feb  2 21:27:47 2005
Subject: [Husker] caution
In-Reply-To: <20050202.115509.-1786455.1.weldoc@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20050203032632.34720.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>

Point 1.  Texas won the Rose Bowl this year and has one of the top programs in the country.
 
Point 3.  Name one blue chip that wanted to come to NU that TO passed on.  NU missed out on a lot of blue chippers under TO because the perception was that he ran an outdated offense.  However, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.  I will eat TO anytime! 
 
Neal Smith
 
NU Class of 1983

weldoc@juno.com wrote:

1) UT has had Top 10 blue-chip recruiting classes for YEARS and where has
it gotten them ?

3) T.O. was renowned for passing up so-called blue chips, for those he'd
determined had the right work ethic. He placed emphasis on intangibles
other than pure athletic talent and high-school or juco stats. Not that
those weren't important--they just weren't the ONLY thing. In this light,
if everyone so highly-sought-after played next year, I wonder what
percentage of starters would still be Nebraska-born boys ?

Bill Laughlin,
Wichita, KS

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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  2 21:29:09 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Wed Feb  2 21:30:26 2005
Subject: [Husker] Zac Taylor
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501310252330.6071@winston.granularity.net>
Message-ID: <20050203032909.51878.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>

Because Joe Dailey stinks and lacks the mental facalties as well as athletic talent, as well as heart to lead our team to a winning season, IMHO.
 
Neal Smith 
 
NU Class of 1983

Bapi Gupta <bapi@bapi.net> wrote:

Maybe I'm just ignorant, but can someone explain to me why JUCO transfer 
QB Zac Taylor is considered a challenger for the starting position at QB 
next fall?

Bapi

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From dkarre at comcast.net  Wed Feb  2 21:36:21 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Wed Feb  2 21:33:10 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question
References: <BAY102-DAV160E706FCEB0113B6163E5D17F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008201c509a1$88f0e340$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

Sounds like up to three "greyshirts". Souder has always been mentioned in
that regard. Anybody know who the others might be? Or are there other
"contingency plans" Callahan might invoke?
Dick Karre
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Monty Perry" <python3955@hotmail.com>
To: "husker list" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question


> According to the OWH, the JC's must all count toward the 25 limit. (except
> for 3 of the 5 that signed in December):
> http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=528&u_xid=13&u_sid=1326550
>
> " Nebraska will crunch the numbers later, how to fit 31 into a 25-player
> class. Three JC transfers who signed in December can be counted in the
2004
> class, and Callahan said NU has contingency plans how to make it all work
> out."
>
> Sure made for an interesting discussion, though.........
>
> Monty
>
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Wed Feb  2 21:39:57 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Wed Feb  2 21:36:29 2005
Subject: [Husker] Zac Taylor
References: <20050203032909.51878.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009501c509a2$0884ccc0$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

Am I the only one who sees the irony of castigating Joe Dailey's "mental
facalties"?
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Neal Smith" <nealsmith_1965@yahoo.com>
To: "Bapi Gupta" <bapi@bapi.net>; "Husker Discussion List" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Zac Taylor


> Because Joe Dailey stinks and lacks the mental facalties as well as
athletic talent, as well as heart to lead our team to a winning season,
IMHO.
>
> Neal Smith
>
> NU Class of 1983
>
> Bapi Gupta <bapi@bapi.net> wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm just ignorant, but can someone explain to me why JUCO transfer
> QB Zac Taylor is considered a challenger for the starting position at QB
> next fall?
>
> Bapi
>
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From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Wed Feb  2 21:41:29 2005
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott Lawson)
Date: Wed Feb  2 21:42:06 2005
Subject: [Husker] Zac Taylor
Message-ID: <606EB32565100B4DB32CB3423FACD310025A84DB@email2.albany.edu>

I'm not even sure what that first post meant, to be honest- faculties, or
facilities? Get ready for the obligatory "careful, there may be players or
their families lurking on the list" warning! Neal, tell us how you REALLY
feel!

Scott in NY

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
Of Dick Karre
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:40 PM
To: Husker Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Husker] Zac Taylor


Am I the only one who sees the irony of castigating Joe Dailey's "mental
facalties"?
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Neal Smith" <nealsmith_1965@yahoo.com>
To: "Bapi Gupta" <bapi@bapi.net>; "Husker Discussion List" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Zac Taylor


> Because Joe Dailey stinks and lacks the mental facalties as well as
athletic talent, as well as heart to lead our team to a winning season,
IMHO.
>
> Neal Smith
>
> NU Class of 1983
>
> Bapi Gupta <bapi@bapi.net> wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm just ignorant, but can someone explain to me why JUCO transfer
> QB Zac Taylor is considered a challenger for the starting position at QB
> next fall?
>
> Bapi
>
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From pgaule at cox.net  Wed Feb  2 21:49:04 2005
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Wed Feb  2 21:49:28 2005
Subject: [Husker] Zac Taylor
References: <20050203032909.51878.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c509a3$4e48a4b0$6601a8c0@PAT>

Way to answer a question with a completely irrelevant answer.  It's almost a 
forgone conclusion that Joe Dailey will not be in a realistic position to be 
the starting QB next fall...it's so obvious that most people on the list 
would not bother mentioning it.  But I think your real point was to 
disparage a player because he didn't live up to your personal expectations.

To say he lacks athletic talent is one thing, but to outright question his 
heart and imply that he's an idiot is quite another.  What are you basing 
this on?  Did you sit through practices and classes with the guy to 
determine his "mental facilities?"

I think Bapi, who is a long time contributer to this list and seems to know 
quite a bit about college football, was wondering why Zac Taylor was being 
favored over Harrison Beck (incoming wonder kid), and Jordan Adams (who was 
on the team but injured in 2004).  I don't know the answer to that, but 
Jammal Lord barely even factors into the equation.  I still don't understand 
why you bothered to bring that up.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Neal Smith" <nealsmith_1965@yahoo.com>
To: "Bapi Gupta" <bapi@bapi.net>; "Husker Discussion List" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Zac Taylor


> Because Joe Dailey stinks and lacks the mental facalties as well as 
> athletic talent, as well as heart to lead our team to a winning season, 
> IMHO.
>
> Neal Smith
>
> NU Class of 1983
>
> Bapi Gupta <bapi@bapi.net> wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm just ignorant, but can someone explain to me why JUCO transfer
> QB Zac Taylor is considered a challenger for the starting position at QB
> next fall?
>
> Bapi
>
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From pgaule at cox.net  Wed Feb  2 21:50:28 2005
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Wed Feb  2 21:50:57 2005
Subject: [Husker] Zac Taylor
Message-ID: <002701c509a3$80933f20$6601a8c0@PAT>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat" <pgaule@cox.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Zac Taylor


>I don't know the answer to that, but Jammal Lord barely even factors into 
>the equation.  I still don't understand why you bothered to bring that up.

should read "Joe Dailey"..not Jammal Lord 

From jbudd at qnet.com  Wed Feb  2 21:58:12 2005
From: jbudd at qnet.com (Jerry Budd)
Date: Wed Feb  2 21:59:42 2005
Subject: [Husker] Zac Taylor
In-Reply-To: <009501c509a2$0884ccc0$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>
References: <20050203032909.51878.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
	<009501c509a2$0884ccc0$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <a06200707be274ee17fce@[192.168.1.100]>

No, but the last time I commented on it I got in trouble with the "boss".

Maybe if I say something Husker related it'll be OK this time...

I think that Jordan Adams is the likely starter at QB when next 
season begins.  How long he keeps the job is anybody's guess.

Jerry


>Am I the only one who sees the irony of castigating Joe Dailey's "mental
>facalties"?
>Dick Karre
>dkarre@comcast.net
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Neal Smith" <nealsmith_1965@yahoo.com>
>To: "Bapi Gupta" <bapi@bapi.net>; "Husker Discussion List" <husker@tssi.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:29 PM
>Subject: Re: [Husker] Zac Taylor
>
>
>>  Because Joe Dailey stinks and lacks the mental facalties as well as
>athletic talent, as well as heart to lead our team to a winning season,
>IMHO.
>>
>>  Neal Smith
>>
>>  NU Class of 1983
>>
>>  Bapi Gupta <bapi@bapi.net> wrote:
>>
>>  Maybe I'm just ignorant, but can someone explain to me why JUCO transfer
>>  QB Zac Taylor is considered a challenger for the starting position at QB
>>  next fall?
>>
>  > Bapi

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From pibel at saintmail.net  Wed Feb  2 21:56:58 2005
From: pibel at saintmail.net (pibel)
Date: Wed Feb  2 22:04:43 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution
Message-ID: <4201a10a.199.4d81.28600@saintmail.net>

The problem with Mack Brown and his blue chip recruits is
the same as the problem with the Huskers under Osborne until
they finally began to win against Oklahoma. For UT and OU
the Red River Rivalry is all about bragging rights and
recruiting leverage in a whole other world-Texas High School
Football. You see the best of Texas come North to Norman
year after year but you don't see the top players in
Oklahoma going South to Austin. They prefer to go North to
OSU, Nebraska and KState or Southeast to Miami. You don't
beat OU as a Longhorn coach and you are in danger of losing
your job with a 13-1 record and a Co-MNC. Getting one
outright with a loss to OU might buy you another year. The
Rose Bowl win for the Horns bought Mack at least another
year but if he comes up short in Dallas in October the heat
will be on to get a new coach for the Burnt Orange.

Kerry Hookstra
Erick, Oklahoma

From: Neal Smith <nealsmith_1965@yahoo.com>
To: weldoc@juno.com, husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] caution
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:26:32 -0800 (PST)

Point 1.  Texas won the Rose Bowl this year and has one of
the top programs in the country.

Point 3.  Name one blue chip that wanted to come to NU that
TO passed on.  NU missed out on a lot of blue chippers under
TO because the perception was that he ran an outdated
offense.  However, the proof of the pudding is in the
eating.  I will eat TO anytime!

Neal Smith

NU Class of 1983

weldoc@juno.com wrote:

1) UT has had Top 10 blue-chip recruiting classes for YEARS
and where has it gotten them ?

3) T.O. was renowned for passing up so-called blue chips,
for those he'd determined had the right work ethic. He
placed emphasis on intangibles other than pure athletic
talent and high-school or juco stats. Not that those weren't
important--they just weren't the ONLY thing. In this light,
if everyone so highly-sought-after played next year, I
wonder what percentage of starters would still be
Nebraska-born boys ?

Bill Laughlin,
Wichita, KS

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From marknorris at juno.com  Wed Feb  2 22:56:42 2005
From: marknorris at juno.com (Mark J Norris)
Date: Wed Feb  2 23:00:27 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dinner with Callahan
Message-ID: <20050202.205735.5809.15525@webmail23.lax.untd.com>


I just got back from the LOI signing dinner at the Holiday Inn Conference center. 1400 in attendance - they said the could have sold 300 more but that is the seating capacity. Besides Callahan's standing ovation John Blake received maybe an even greater greeting. Coach Downing was at my table - very personable guy - I can see why kids would like him. His favorite recruit was Nick Covey - you could see why on film - always stayed at home. He said Matt Herrian would probably not be in Spring practice as figured and that Zach Potter is going to play on defense. Coach Jordan also seem to sparkle - told good jokes and was very upbeat. The only downer from the evening was the Q&A period at the end of the dinner. You should never serve alcohol and then have open mikes!

From dkarre at comcast.net  Wed Feb  2 23:42:33 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Wed Feb  2 23:39:09 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dinner with Callahan
References: <20050202.205735.5809.15525@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <00c301c509b3$28af4be0$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

Is this a new event? I've never heard of it.
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:56 PM
Subject: [Husker] Dinner with Callahan


>
> I just got back from the LOI signing dinner at the Holiday Inn Conference
center. 1400 in attendance - they said the could have sold 300 more but that
is the seating capacity. Besides Callahan's standing ovation John Blake
received maybe an even greater greeting. Coach Downing was at my table -
very personable guy - I can see why kids would like him. His favorite
recruit was Nick Covey - you could see why on film - always stayed at home.
He said Matt Herrian would probably not be in Spring practice as figured and
that Zach Potter is going to play on defense. Coach Jordan also seem to
sparkle - told good jokes and was very upbeat. The only downer from the
evening was the Q&A period at the end of the dinner. You should never serve
alcohol and then have open mikes!
>
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From marknorris at juno.com  Wed Feb  2 23:57:47 2005
From: marknorris at juno.com (Mark J Norris)
Date: Wed Feb  2 23:59:59 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dinner with Callahan
Message-ID: <20050202.215756.20147.16079@webmail21.lax.untd.com>


Its been going on for over 30 years.
The first event brought in 47.
Last year it was during a snow storm and 700 showed up.
It is run by Omaha Cornhusker Football Breakfasts, Inc.
Run by Dean Kratz (402-633-1467)

This is the Big Red Breakfasts 
that meets each Friday morning before game day


-- "Dick Karre" <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote:
Is this a new event? I've never heard of it.
Dick Karre

From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Thu Feb  3 00:24:46 2005
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Thu Feb  3 00:25:45 2005
Subject: [Husker] Zac Taylor
In-Reply-To: <20050203032909.51878.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050203032909.51878.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06210202be277275601c@[192.168.1.4]>

Neal Smith wrote:

>Because Joe Dailey stinks and lacks the mental facalties as well as 
>athletic talent, as well as heart to lead our team to a winning 
>season, IMHO.

For lo! these many years I thought the Husker List a university-level 
medium for expressing a degree of reasoned analysis perceptibly above 
that of the bulletim board.

I thank Mr. Smith for disembarrassing me of such juvenile delusions.

Steve Stone

From jonlists at cbsol.com  Thu Feb  3 00:20:54 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Thu Feb  3 00:26:08 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution
In-Reply-To: <4201a10a.199.4d81.28600@saintmail.net>
Message-ID: <OF697A7FD2.3C5EE86B-ON86256F9D.0022E7EC-86256F9D.0022FFF8@cbsol.com>

Mac Brown received a long term extension and a lot of money not too long 
ago. 

http://www.turnto10.com/cfoot472/4034301/detail.html

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husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/02/2005 09:56:58 PM:

> The problem with Mack Brown and his blue chip recruits is
> the same as the problem with the Huskers under Osborne until
> they finally began to win against Oklahoma. For UT and OU
> the Red River Rivalry is all about bragging rights and
> recruiting leverage in a whole other world-Texas High School
> Football. You see the best of Texas come North to Norman
> year after year but you don't see the top players in
> Oklahoma going South to Austin. They prefer to go North to
> OSU, Nebraska and KState or Southeast to Miami. You don't
> beat OU as a Longhorn coach and you are in danger of losing
> your job with a 13-1 record and a Co-MNC. Getting one
> outright with a loss to OU might buy you another year. The
> Rose Bowl win for the Horns bought Mack at least another
> year but if he comes up short in Dallas in October the heat
> will be on to get a new coach for the Burnt Orange.
> 
> Kerry Hookstra
> Erick, Oklahoma
> 
> From: Neal Smith <nealsmith_1965@yahoo.com>
> To: weldoc@juno.com, husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [Husker] caution
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:26:32 -0800 (PST)
> 
> Point 1.  Texas won the Rose Bowl this year and has one of
> the top programs in the country.
> 
> Point 3.  Name one blue chip that wanted to come to NU that
> TO passed on.  NU missed out on a lot of blue chippers under
> TO because the perception was that he ran an outdated
> offense.  However, the proof of the pudding is in the
> eating.  I will eat TO anytime!
> 
> Neal Smith
> 
> NU Class of 1983
> 
> weldoc@juno.com wrote:
> 
> 1) UT has had Top 10 blue-chip recruiting classes for YEARS
> and where has it gotten them ?
> 
> 3) T.O. was renowned for passing up so-called blue chips,
> for those he'd determined had the right work ethic. He
> placed emphasis on intangibles other than pure athletic
> talent and high-school or juco stats. Not that those weren't
> important--they just weren't the ONLY thing. In this light,
> if everyone so highly-sought-after played next year, I
> wonder what percentage of starters would still be
> Nebraska-born boys ?
> 
> Bill Laughlin,
> Wichita, KS
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Feb  3 00:43:22 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Feb  3 00:43:24 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502030643.j136hMMk010467@romaine.tssi.com>

> Mac Brown received a long term extension and a lot of money not too long 
> ago. 

If memory serves me correctly, his predecessor, John Mackovic, also received
an extension and bonus about a year before he got the boot.
--
Mike Nolan

From ksterling at mindspring.com  Thu Feb  3 04:53:37 2005
From: ksterling at mindspring.com (Ken Oliver)
Date: Thu Feb  3 04:54:22 2005
Subject: [Husker] Kill file: OT maybe
Message-ID: <004e01c509de$9da0adb0$cb10f704@Downstairs>

Has anyone had success with generating a rule in Microsoft Outlook that
deletes messages from a particular poster to this list.  Mine have not
worked since husker-bounces@tssi.com ..On Behalf Of . format has been
used for the "From: " identifier.
 
Please contact me off list if you have a solution.
 
Ken
 
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Still crazy after all these years.
 
From rclousto at cisco.com  Thu Feb  3 07:12:31 2005
From: rclousto at cisco.com (Bob Clouston)
Date: Thu Feb  3 07:13:55 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution (fwd)
References: <200502031000.j13A01Nj011416@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <4202233F.9080402@cisco.com>

Sure, and if Texas goes 4-7 next year Brown will probably also get the 
boot.  But he won't get it for having the same kind of season for which 
he got that extension, even if it means losing to OU again.

Bob

>>Mac Brown received a long term extension and a lot of money not too long 
>>ago. 
> 
> 
> If memory serves me correctly, his predecessor, John Mackovic, also received
> an extension and bonus about a year before he got the boot.
> --
> Mike Nolan

From pibel at saintmail.net  Thu Feb  3 07:28:01 2005
From: pibel at saintmail.net (pibel)
Date: Thu Feb  3 07:35:49 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution
Message-ID: <420226e1.347.734.13314@saintmail.net>

Ah yep, and he could lose it if the Horns keep on losing to
the Sooners..........

Kerry Hookstra
Erick, Oklahoma

From: jonlists <jonlists@cbsol.com>
To: Neal Smith <nealsmith_1965@yahoo.com>
Cc: husker@tssi.com, husker-bounces@tssi.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:20:54 -0600

Mac Brown received a long term extension and a lot of money
not too long  ago.

http://www.turnto10.com/cfoot472/4034301/detail.html

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husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/02/2005 09:56:58 PM:

> The problem with Mack Brown and his blue chip recruits is
> the same as the problem with the Huskers under Osborne
until > they finally began to win against Oklahoma. For UT
and OU > the Red River Rivalry is all about bragging rights
and > recruiting leverage in a whole other world-Texas High
School > Football. You see the best of Texas come North to
Norman > year after year but you don't see the top players
in > Oklahoma going South to Austin. They prefer to go North
to > OSU, Nebraska and KState or Southeast to Miami. You
don't > beat OU as a Longhorn coach and you are in danger of
losing > your job with a 13-1 record and a Co-MNC. Getting
one > outright with a loss to OU might buy you another year.
The > Rose Bowl win for the Horns bought Mack at least
another > year but if he comes up short in Dallas in October
the heat > will be on to get a new coach for the Burnt
Orange. >
> Kerry Hookstra
> Erick, Oklahoma
>
> From: Neal Smith <nealsmith_1965@yahoo.com>
> To: weldoc@juno.com, husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [Husker] caution
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:26:32 -0800 (PST)
>
> Point 1.  Texas won the Rose Bowl this year and has one of
> the top programs in the country.
>
> Point 3.  Name one blue chip that wanted to come to NU
that > TO passed on.  NU missed out on a lot of blue
chippers under > TO because the perception was that he ran
an outdated > offense.  However, the proof of the pudding is
in the > eating.  I will eat TO anytime!
>
> Neal Smith
>
> NU Class of 1983
>
> weldoc@juno.com wrote:
>
> 1) UT has had Top 10 blue-chip recruiting classes for
YEARS > and where has it gotten them ?
>
> 3) T.O. was renowned for passing up so-called blue chips,
> for those he'd determined had the right work ethic. He
> placed emphasis on intangibles other than pure athletic
> talent and high-school or juco stats. Not that those
weren't > important--they just weren't the ONLY thing. In
this light, > if everyone so highly-sought-after played next
year, I > wonder what percentage of starters would still be
> Nebraska-born boys ?
>
> Bill Laughlin,
> Wichita, KS
>
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From russvolb at earthlink.net  Thu Feb  3 09:14:00 2005
From: russvolb at earthlink.net (Russ Volberding)
Date: Thu Feb  3 09:22:35 2005
Subject: [Husker] B. Teamer
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203090757.009ed0b0@pop.earthlink.net>

The World-Herald reports that Brandon Teamer is thinking about leaving the 
team.  Coach Callahan wouldn't say what reasons Teamer may have for 
quitting but said he would be speaking with him.
Teamer is a defensive tackle from Omaha Central who has had knee and ankle 
problems in his first two years.

From reich at inetnebr.com  Thu Feb  3 09:19:06 2005
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Thu Feb  3 09:23:06 2005
Subject: [Husker] Zac Taylor
Message-ID: <200502031519.JAA05151@stork.inebraska.com>

Come on, it's Neal Smith trying to inform Bapi Gupta.  Isn't that
irony enough without digging into the irony of Neal Smith calling
into question anyone's "mental facalties"?  You're a glutton for
irony.


> From: "Dick Karre" <dkarre@comcast.net>
> To: "Husker Discussion List" <husker@tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Zac Taylor
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 20:39:57 -0700
> 
> Am I the only one who sees the irony of castigating Joe Dailey's "mental
> facalties"?
> Dick Karre
> dkarre@comcast.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Neal Smith" <nealsmith_1965@yahoo.com>
> To: "Bapi Gupta" <bapi@bapi.net>; "Husker Discussion List" <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Zac Taylor
> 
> 
> > Because Joe Dailey stinks and lacks the mental facalties as well as
> athletic talent, as well as heart to lead our team to a winning season,
> IMHO.
> >
> > Neal Smith
> >
> > NU Class of 1983
> >
> > Bapi Gupta <bapi@bapi.net> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe I'm just ignorant, but can someone explain to me why JUCO transfer
> > QB Zac Taylor is considered a challenger for the starting position at QB
> > next fall?
> >
> > Bapi
> >
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From rrbeach at rrbeach.com  Thu Feb  3 09:30:45 2005
From: rrbeach at rrbeach.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Thu Feb  3 09:31:14 2005
Subject: [Husker] caution
In-Reply-To: <20050203032632.34720.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050203032632.34720.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200502030930450312.10779BBD@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>




On 2/2/2005 at 7:26 PM Neal Smith wrote:

>Point 1.  Texas won the Rose Bowl this year and has one of the top
>programs in the country.
> 
>Point 3.  Name one blue chip that wanted to come to NU that TO passed on. 
>NU missed out on a lot of blue chippers under TO because the perception
>was that he ran an outdated offense.  However, the proof of the pudding is
>in the eating.  I will eat TO anytime! 





     I am as big of TO fan as there is.  I appreciate what he did while at NU.  It is pretty obvious he has to be ranked as one of the greatest college coaches of all time.  Of course we will never know but I have often wondered how TO would fare today assuming he would keep doing things just as the did.  That means running the same offense and defense and etc.  I am sure many would come back and ask why should we expect anything different?  Maybe things wouldn't have been any different.  I am not saying they would be different but I just wonder sometimes.  I don't have the time to get real detailed here but things like Osborne's teams featured out conditioning their opponent and having them worn down in the fourth quarter.  I don't believe that would happen today.  Other programs have caught up to the Huskers in conditioning, training tables, and the like.  Could TO have continued to recruit top offensive players if he continued to run the power I/option?  I personally don't think so.  Offenses go in cycles, see the wishbone for one, and offenses of the early 21st century are more wide open.   As I said, we'll never know but changing with the times is necessary in most any field.  Maybe TO would have changed.  Who knows?


Bob Beach


From marklandin at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 09:41:50 2005
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Thu Feb  3 09:43:07 2005
Subject: [Husker] B. Teamer
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203090757.009ed0b0@pop.earthlink.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050203090757.009ed0b0@pop.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <16ee270e05020307416bc01fde@mail.gmail.com>

> The World-Herald reports that Brandon Teamer is thinking about leaving the
> team.  Coach Callahan wouldn't say what reasons Teamer may have for
> quitting but said he would be speaking with him.

He's really been plagued by injuries, similar to Philip Bland's
situation last year. Philip eventually decided his body just wasn't
cooperating and left the team. I hope Brandon does whatever he feels
is best. I won't second-guess his decision or his motives.

From fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  3 09:50:50 2005
From: fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com (Bob Fancher)
Date: Thu Feb  3 09:52:01 2005
Subject: [Husker] Zac Taylor
In-Reply-To: <001e01c509a3$4e48a4b0$6601a8c0@PAT>
Message-ID: <20050203155051.37419.qmail@web20925.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Pat <pgaule@cox.net> wrote:
> I think Bapi, who is a long time contributer to this
> list and seems to know 
> quite a bit about college football, was wondering
> why Zac Taylor was being 
> favored over Harrison Beck (incoming wonder kid),
> and Jordan Adams (who was 
> on the team but injured in 2004).  I don't know the
> answer to that,

It would be my guess that Zac Taylor, being a juco QB,
has more experience than Beck, a HS QB and Adams, who
has played little. I suspect Joe Dailey will be
improved. It should be an interesting Spring practice.


		
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From fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  3 09:58:08 2005
From: fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com (Bob Fancher)
Date: Thu Feb  3 09:59:19 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-DAV160E706FCEB0113B6163E5D17F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050203155808.53970.qmail@web20924.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Monty Perry <python3955@hotmail.com> wrote:

> According to the OWH, the JC's must all count toward
> the 25 limit. (except 
> for 3 of the 5 that signed in December):
>
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=528&u_xid=13&u_sid=1326550
> 
> " Nebraska will crunch the numbers later, how to fit
> 31 into a 25-player 
> class. Three JC transfers who signed in December can
> be counted in the 2004 
> class, and Callahan said NU has contingency plans
> how to make it all work 
> out."
> 

I think this is misleading. The more appropriate
statistice should be:

"The NU recruiting class consists of 19 high school
seniors..."

That is well below the 25 limit for a class. Or am I
misunderstanding the rule?




		
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Feb  3 10:44:45 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Feb  3 10:44:49 2005
Subject: [Husker] Kill file: OT maybe
In-Reply-To: <004e01c509de$9da0adb0$cb10f704@Downstairs> from "Ken Oliver" at
	Feb 03, 2005 05:53:37 AM
Message-ID: <200502031644.j13GikMY013854@romaine.tssi.com>

> Has anyone had success with generating a rule in Microsoft Outlook that
> deletes messages from a particular poster to this list.  Mine have not
> worked since husker-bounces@tssi.com ..On Behalf Of . format has been
> used for the "From: " identifier.

'husker-bounces' is in the 'From ' header, the original author is shown
in the 'From: ' header.  (Note the colon in the latter.)

Whether Outlook is capable of discriminating between the two is a somewhat
different issue.  I have yet to find a Windows-based mail agent that I
think is worth using.  
--
Mike Nolan

From andy at knipp.com  Thu Feb  3 10:48:30 2005
From: andy at knipp.com (Andy Knipp)
Date: Thu Feb  3 10:49:10 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question
Message-ID: <20050203164830.D0E51EDFDC@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com>



Depends on what class the 31 players are assigned.  Acorrding to Mike Nolan's interpretation of the rules, there
should be no problem.  However press reports say different.

Here is how I understand the rules:

The 25 limit is calander year based on signing LOI and scholarship assignment.  3 JUCO signed in Dec since they stated
the Jan semester.  Of the remaining 28, 2 are grey shirts,  so they do not go under sholarship until Jan 06 & count against 
next years class of 25.  That means there are 26 players for 25 spots. It is likely the coaches are hedging their bets that
at least one will not enroll due to grades.

This has happened before.  Under TO,  one class had 26 players & LB Eric Johnson agreed to wait if he needed to.  Turns out 
his grades were not there, an one or two more, so the class had 23 I think.

I preface everything I said on that there is disagreement on what class JUCOs are assigned to.  Mike knows a lot about
the NCAA rules but what he says is different from the press reports.

Obviously the press is wrong.  :-)

Andy

> > According to the OWH, the JC's must all count toward
> > the 25 limit. (except for 3 of the 5 that signed in December):
> >
> http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=528&u_xid=13&u_sid=1326550
> >
> > " Nebraska will crunch the numbers later, how to fit
> > 31 into a 25-player class. Three JC transfers who signed in December can
> > be counted in the 2004 class, and Callahan said NU has contingency plans
> > how to make it all work out."
> >
> 
> I think this is misleading. The more appropriate
> statistice should be:
> 
> "The NU recruiting class consists of 19 high school
> seniors..."
> 
> That is well below the 25 limit for a class. Or am I
> misunderstanding the rule?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From python3955 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  3 10:52:00 2005
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Thu Feb  3 10:53:36 2005
Subject: Fw: [Husker] Scholarship limit question
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV3D944B7C6E09BDF4511D6D17F0@phx.gbl>

<snip>


> http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=528&u_xid=13&u_sid=1326550
>>
>> " Nebraska will crunch the numbers later, how to fit
>> 31 into a 25-player
>> class. Three JC transfers who signed in December can
>> be counted in the 2004
>> class, and Callahan said NU has contingency plans
>> how to make it all work
>> out."
>>
<snip>

> I think this is misleading. The more appropriate
> statistice should be:
>
> "The NU recruiting class consists of 19 high school
> seniors..."
>
> That is well below the 25 limit for a class. Or am I
> misunderstanding the rule?

I'm not sure, though we have had quite a few thoughts on the subject, but 
here is another quote from the above mentioned article:
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=528&u_xid=13&u_sid=1326550
 "It's not uncommon to oversign," Callahan said. "In college football, it's 
a very common trend. I understand it's a little unusual here at the 
University of Nebraska. We are overextended, but I want you to feel 
confident that we have an outstanding plan."

Stating the we are "overextended" makes me believe that the JC transfers are 
counted toward the 25 limit.

Also, the above paragraph I quoted in my previous message, has now been 
altered, stating Callahan's contingency plan depends on any possible 
academic casualties and those who will be considered grayshirt recruits.

So who do we think might be the next grayshirts or academic casualties?

Monty 

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Feb  3 11:04:21 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Feb  3 11:04:27 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502031704.j13H4LTP014031@romaine.tssi.com>

> Obviously the press is wrong.  :-)

At this point I don't honestly know who's right.  The 'initial counter'
rule is so oddly written that maybe only the NCAA knows what it really
means.  

Presumably the OWH is working off briefings from UNL's media office,
and presumably they got the skinny on it from UNL's NCAA Compliance
Officer, and that's who's SUPPOSED to get it right!!

I've never quite figured out what a 'greyshirt' is.  It seems to me
that deferring an initial counter (until next year) is of little value
at this time, since that just lumps that person in with all the incoming
freshmen.  

In any event, it sounds like it's a good group of players and presumably
ones that Bill Callahan thinks can fit into his style of football, and 
in the case of the JC players and possibly others, do so quickly.

Let's hope so, at least.  I really don't want to be right in my
pessimism about the 2005-06 season.
--
Mike Nolan

From marklandin at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 11:04:53 2005
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Thu Feb  3 11:12:52 2005
Subject: [Husker] caution
In-Reply-To: <200502030930450312.10779BBD@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
References: <20050203032632.34720.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
	<200502030930450312.10779BBD@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <16ee270e050203090469b77768@mail.gmail.com>

>  I am as big of TO fan as there is.  I appreciate what he did while at NU.
>  It is pretty obvious he has to be ranked as one of the greatest college 
> coaches of all time.  Of course we will never know but I have often wondered
> how TO would fare today assuming he would keep doing things just as the 
> did.  That means running the same offense and defense and etc.  

Tom's offense and defense changed many times during his years as head
coach, partly in response to what other teams were doing, and partly
in response to the players he had available to him. I'm sure he would
continue to do the same if he were still active today. Would he
discard the power option if he felt it was untenable? I think so. Do I
think he was capable of continuing to evolve the power option to
continue to be competitive? Certainly.

From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Thu Feb  3 11:24:26 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Thu Feb  3 11:25:47 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question
Message-ID: <E9F6BAC191B8744D86881015D1C5FFD94F8956@mailsrvr.omahasteaks.com>

Right now the big recruit who hasn't made grades is Lucky. He doesn't
believe it will be a problem but just in case do we have prop 22 (or 16
or 14 or whatever) left? I do believe we get one every two years. 

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Monty Perry
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:52 AM
To: husker list
Subject: Fw: [Husker] Scholarship limit question

<snip>


> http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=528&u_xid=13&u_sid=1326550
>>
>> " Nebraska will crunch the numbers later, how to fit
>> 31 into a 25-player
>> class. Three JC transfers who signed in December can
>> be counted in the 2004
>> class, and Callahan said NU has contingency plans
>> how to make it all work
>> out."
>>
<snip>

> I think this is misleading. The more appropriate
> statistice should be:
>
> "The NU recruiting class consists of 19 high school
> seniors..."
>
> That is well below the 25 limit for a class. Or am I
> misunderstanding the rule?

I'm not sure, though we have had quite a few thoughts on the subject,
but 
here is another quote from the above mentioned article:
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=528&u_xid=13&u_sid=1326550
 "It's not uncommon to oversign," Callahan said. "In college football,
it's 
a very common trend. I understand it's a little unusual here at the 
University of Nebraska. We are overextended, but I want you to feel 
confident that we have an outstanding plan."

Stating the we are "overextended" makes me believe that the JC transfers
are 
counted toward the 25 limit.

Also, the above paragraph I quoted in my previous message, has now been 
altered, stating Callahan's contingency plan depends on any possible 
academic casualties and those who will be considered grayshirt recruits.

So who do we think might be the next grayshirts or academic casualties?

Monty 

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From andy at knipp.com  Thu Feb  3 11:28:26 2005
From: andy at knipp.com (Andy Knipp)
Date: Thu Feb  3 11:29:05 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (fwd)
Message-ID: <20050203172826.433202FAA1@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>


> I've never quite figured out what a 'greyshirt' is.  It seems to me
> that deferring an initial counter (until next year) is of little value
> at this time, since that just lumps that person in with all the incoming
> freshmen.

This year's greyshirts are also a little different from before.  Previously the coaches
used greyshirts when they had plenty of available spots on the 25 yearly limit but 
were pushing the 85 limit.  

So I *thought* that a greyshirt who signed in 05 to enroll in 06 would acount towards the
05 25 scholarship limit and against the 85 limit when school started in 06 (since some SRs
graduate in Dec, their scholarships open).  

Obviously the NCAA compliance officer is paid to know this (which I am not) so I assume 
that grey shirts work a little differently. But it is hard to understand how a JUCO who signs
in Dec 05 for Jan 06 enrollment counts against the 05 25 limit but a greyshirt who signs
in Feb 05 for Jan 06 enrollment doesn't count against 05. 

My head hurts.

Andy



Andy Knipp
andy@knipp.com
(480) 818-1026 (M)


From reich at inetnebr.com  Thu Feb  3 11:26:27 2005
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Thu Feb  3 11:30:36 2005
Subject: [Husker] caution
Message-ID: <200502031726.LAA11942@stork.inebraska.com>

The last period of claims about the Husker's outdated power-I
offense and the end of NU being a top-ranked program was about
1991, capped of by an SI story pointing to these same things.
You may want to go back and read that article explaining why
NU was on a downhill slide.

Later events, however, proved otherwise, as NU had one of the
greatest 5 year runs in the history of college football ---
despite running an out-dated offense (very well).

I think the ingredients aren't much changed and I think there
are at least three ingredients more important than the passing
game: (1) defense and forcing turnovers, (2) running game and
limiting turnovers, and (3) special teams and turnover margin.
If you've got those ingredients, you don't have to pass very
often to win games.

> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 09:30:45 -0600
> From: "Bob Beach" <rrbeach@rrbeach.com>
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Re[2]: [Husker] caution
> 
> 
> On 2/2/2005 at 7:26 PM Neal Smith wrote:
> 
> >Point 1.  Texas won the Rose Bowl this year and has one of the top
> >programs in the country.
> > 
> >Point 3.  Name one blue chip that wanted to come to NU that TO passed on. 
> >NU missed out on a lot of blue chippers under TO because the perception
> >was that he ran an outdated offense.  However, the proof of the pudding is
> >in the eating.  I will eat TO anytime! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>      I am as big of TO fan as there is.  I appreciate what he did while at NU.  It is pretty obvious he has to be ranked as one of the greatest college coaches of all time.  Of course we will never know but I have often wondered how TO would fare today assuming he would keep doing things just as the did.  That means running the same offense and defense and etc.  I am sure many would come back and ask why should we expect anything different?  Maybe things wouldn't have been any different.  I am not saying they would be different but I just wonder sometimes.  I don't have the time to get real detailed here but things like Osborne's teams featured out conditioning their opponent and having them worn down in the fourth quarter.  I don't believe that would happen today.  Other programs have caught up to the Huskers in conditioning, training tables, and the like.  Could TO have continued to recruit top offensive players if he continued to run the power I/option?  I personally do!
n'!
!
>  t think so.  Offenses go in cycles, see the wishbone for one, and offenses of the early 21st century are more wide open.   As I said, we'll never know but changing with the times is necessary in most any field.  Maybe TO would have changed.  Who knows?
> 
> 
> Bob Beach
> 
> 
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Thu Feb  3 12:03:48 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Thu Feb  3 12:00:18 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (fwd)
References: <20050203172826.433202FAA1@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c50a1a$b63b6360$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

The JCs who enroll mid-year count against the current (2004-05) limit if
there is room for them in that class. If not, they count against the
following year's class. (This one is actually pretty clear: Bylaw
15.5.5.3.2.)
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Knipp" <andy@knipp.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Scholarship limit question (fwd)


>
> > I've never quite figured out what a 'greyshirt' is.  It seems to me
> > that deferring an initial counter (until next year) is of little value
> > at this time, since that just lumps that person in with all the incoming
> > freshmen.
>
> This year's greyshirts are also a little different from before.
Previously the coaches
> used greyshirts when they had plenty of available spots on the 25 yearly
limit but
> were pushing the 85 limit.
>
> So I *thought* that a greyshirt who signed in 05 to enroll in 06 would
acount towards the
> 05 25 scholarship limit and against the 85 limit when school started in 06
(since some SRs
> graduate in Dec, their scholarships open).
>
> Obviously the NCAA compliance officer is paid to know this (which I am
not) so I assume
> that grey shirts work a little differently. But it is hard to understand
how a JUCO who signs
> in Dec 05 for Jan 06 enrollment counts against the 05 25 limit but a
greyshirt who signs
> in Feb 05 for Jan 06 enrollment doesn't count against 05.
>
> My head hurts.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> Andy Knipp
> andy@knipp.com
> (480) 818-1026 (M)
>
>
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From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Thu Feb  3 12:58:09 2005
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Thu Feb  3 12:58:47 2005
Subject: [Husker] Zac Taylor
In-Reply-To: <200502031519.JAA05151@stork.inebraska.com>
References: <200502031519.JAA05151@stork.inebraska.com>
Message-ID: <p06210200be282426347d@[192.168.1.4]>

Steve Reichenbach wrote:

>Come on, it's Neal Smith trying to inform Bapi Gupta.  Isn't that
>irony enough without digging into the irony of Neal Smith calling
>into question anyone's "mental facalties"?  You're a glutton for
>irony.

I propose we hold an annual HuskerList Irony and Satire Festival on 
signing day from now on.

That way we could spread around for everyone to enjoy.

Steve Stone

From alans at efn.org  Thu Feb  3 13:19:30 2005
From: alans at efn.org (Alan Siporin)
Date: Thu Feb  3 13:20:15 2005
Subject: [Husker] Scholarship limit question
In-Reply-To: <200502031704.j13H4LTP014031@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <BE27B942.10819%alans@efn.org>


I had hoped the post-signing coverage would have clarified. Let me try one
more time. You have 25 scholarships to give out for any one class. Whether a
kid is a high school senior or a JC frosh or JC soph is irrelevant to this
number. So, of the 25 limit, it happens that 19 were high school kids, 6
were JC transfers. Let that part sink in.

Now, if you didn't fill all 25 slots the year before, you can still fill any
remaining ones, but not with someone who can't start to use it until next
fall, or in other words, a high school kid. So those leftover slots can only
be filled with a transfer of some kind. (In other words, a JC could count
for this year or last year). I had read NU had four leftover slots, but
apparently it was only three. So three of the JC's who are now on campus, in
school, count in last year's class. Clear? Okay, final step, grey shirts.

Think of this as going into debt, borrowing against the future. As long as a
kid doesn't start to use his scholarship (pays his own way), and he doesn't
start to play (start his eligibility clock running) he won't count against
this year's class, even though he committed this year. So that will mean
one, or two, or whatever number, less scholarships available for next year.

Alan Siporin

From jonlists at cbsol.com  Thu Feb  3 13:46:03 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Thu Feb  3 13:51:18 2005
Subject: [Husker] Zac Taylor
In-Reply-To: <p06210200be282426347d@[192.168.1.4]>
Message-ID: <OF9CED8EDA.E8BF1897-ON86256F9D.006CA8A8-86256F9D.006CB68E@cbsol.com>

Wait a minute - are you also suggesting that we limit the use of satire to 
a single day also? What's next, one day of sarcasm? 

Are you mad, man!?????

Jon Johnston
Creative Business Solutions
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husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/03/2005 12:58:09 PM:

> Steve Reichenbach wrote:
> 
> >Come on, it's Neal Smith trying to inform Bapi Gupta.  Isn't that
> >irony enough without digging into the irony of Neal Smith calling
> >into question anyone's "mental facalties"?  You're a glutton for
> >irony.
> 
> I propose we hold an annual HuskerList Irony and Satire Festival on 
> signing day from now on.
> 
> That way we could spread around for everyone to enjoy.
> 
> Steve Stone
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jonlists at cbsol.com  Thu Feb  3 14:06:47 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Thu Feb  3 14:11:57 2005
Subject: [Husker] KANSAS is coming!
Message-ID: <OF12E2620D.5E561A92-ON86256F9D.006D06A6-86256F9D.006E9C7F@cbsol.com>

Saturday morning, Kansas comes to town, ranked #3 and undefeated in Big 12 
play. Nebraska has typically played well against the Jayhawks in Lincoln

It will be great if we can pull off a win against KU, not just because 
they're undefeated and ranked highly, but because of where everyone is in 
the conference standings. If we got the win, we'd be at .500, and we could 
rise above the bottom half of the conference with a nice streak of home 
games coming up. There are three of us (NU, A&M, and KSU) with three wins. 
A&M plays Mizzou this Saturday, while KSU plays Colorado. KSU is the only 
one in this group above us, so a win would give us a chance to gain ground 
on a couple teams ahead of us, and place space between those below us. 
Texas is at 4-3, and vulnerable since they now only have eight scholarship 
players (too bad we didn't play them at home BEFORE this happened). 

Lately, our free throw shooting has been better, but our young leader, 
McCray hasn't been scoring as much - let's hope he steps up in a big game. 
Muhleisen finally had a big game against A&M. Obviously, everyone is going 
to have to step it up a notch to beat KU. 

Unlike others, I don't find this season a disappointment. We're about 
where I thought we'd be - we gave up some early victories to get our 
younger guys experience, and now it's starting to pay off in conference 
play. Whether or not the rest of the season is a disappointment - well, I 
don't want to go so far as to say  this game against KU could make or 
break us,  but if we can win it, we have a darned good shot at finishing 
in the upper half of the conference. 

ESPN, 11:00 am Saturday. Watch it and comment on the game, otherwise keep 
your 'fire the coach' posts to yourself. <G> 

Jon Johnston
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From pgaule at cox.net  Thu Feb  3 17:03:06 2005
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Thu Feb  3 17:03:31 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution (fwd)
References: <200502031000.j13A01Nj011416@romaine.tssi.com>
	<4202233F.9080402@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <127d01c50a44$860a19f0$6601a8c0@PAT>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Clouston" <rclousto@cisco.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution (fwd)


> Sure, and if Texas goes 4-7 next year Brown will probably also get the 
> boot.  But he won't get it for having the same kind of season for which he 
> got that extension, even if it means losing to OU again.
>
> Bob
>

Mack Brown has a *10* year contract extention.  He could go 0-11 next year 
and they wouldn't fire him.  Way too big of a buyout. 

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Feb  3 17:56:27 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Feb  3 17:56:30 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502032356.j13NuRl9016424@romaine.tssi.com>

> Mack Brown has a *10* year contract extention.  He could go 0-11 next year 
> and they wouldn't fire him.  Way too big of a buyout. 

Yeah, but I bet it has a buyout clause in it that's for far less than
10 years worth.  The AD at Texas isn't a royal dummy, you know.
--
Mike Nolan

From pibel at saintmail.net  Thu Feb  3 18:10:33 2005
From: pibel at saintmail.net (pibel)
Date: Thu Feb  3 18:18:32 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution (fwd)
Message-ID: <4202bd79.4a.641a.29621@saintmail.net>

The name of the game in Texas is MONEY and they have plenty
of it to buy out the contract of a coach who does not meet
the alumni and fat cat fan expectations. Happens in lots of
place to lots of coaches and a 10 year contract would be a
relatively small item to one or two or three of the Horn
backers with more money than brains......

Kerry Hookstra
Erick, Oklahoma(living seven miles from Texas and eight
miles from gas wells in Oklahoma that are procucing millions
in revenue for their owners. Same stuff in Texas)

From: "Pat" <pgaule@cox.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution (fwd)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:03:06 -0600

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Clouston" <rclousto@cisco.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution (fwd)


> Sure, and if Texas goes 4-7 next year Brown will probably
also get the  > boot.  But he won't get it for having the
same kind of season for which he  > got that extension, even
if it means losing to OU again. >
> Bob
>

Mack Brown has a *10* year contract extention.  He could go
0-11 next year  and they wouldn't fire him.  Way too big of
a buyout.

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From pgaule at cox.net  Thu Feb  3 18:27:13 2005
From: pgaule at cox.net (Pat)
Date: Thu Feb  3 18:27:43 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution (fwd)
References: <4202bd79.4a.641a.29621@saintmail.net>
Message-ID: <129a01c50a50$4646be70$6601a8c0@PAT>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "pibel" <pibel@saintmail.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [Husker] caution (fwd)


> The name of the game in Texas is MONEY and they have plenty
> of it to buy out the contract of a coach who does not meet
> the alumni and fat cat fan expectations. Happens in lots of
> place to lots of coaches and a 10 year contract would be a
> relatively small item to one or two or three of the Horn
> backers with more money than brains......
>

Regardless, I think it's irrelevant.  Mack Brown would not have gotten a 10 
year contract extention if a 4-7 or 0-11 season was likely next year.  Will 
they win the national championship or go to a BCS bowl next year?  Who 
knows.  I tend to think they'll beat Oklahoma finally, but I don't know 
where that will leave them.  They certainly won't have a losing record. 

From sscornelius at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 20:12:15 2005
From: sscornelius at gmail.com (Steve Cornelius)
Date: Thu Feb  3 20:13:26 2005
Subject: [Husker] Defensive coaching assignment changes
Message-ID: <3e3d5a9050203181273255985@mail.gmail.com>

On Thursday, Callahan announced that some of the defensive coaches
will have their assignments changed. Cosgrove remains defensive
coordinator and will now coach all three linebacker positions. (He
previously coached the MIKE and WILL linebackers.) Busch will coach
the safeties in addition to special teams. (He previously coached the
SAM linebackers.) Secondary coach Elmassian will now coach cornerbacks
only.

Blake stays as defensive line coach and ace recruiter.

More information below.

http://www.journalstar.com/huskerextra2/blog/index.php?p=479

-- 
Steve Cornelius
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blog: http://sscornelius.blogspot.com
pictures: http://corneliuspics.blogspot.com
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From jonlists at cbsol.com  Thu Feb  3 21:47:48 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Thu Feb  3 21:53:05 2005
Subject: [Husker] Big 12 Losses
Message-ID: <OF5634DD19.5B221057-ON86256F9E.0014535C-86256F9E.0014FB6D@cbsol.com>

Tonight - KSU, Colorado, and A&M all lose. With a win against KU, we move 
into 6th. 

Other than KU, the Big 12 North is sucking wind in basketball. Rather 
normal, eh? 

The KU game is sold out, the second sold out game of the year. 

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=20&SPID=24&DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=107860

Jon Johnston
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From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Fri Feb  4 07:57:12 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb  4 08:01:31 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] KANSAS is coming!
Message-ID: <1c2.23170af1.2f34d938@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/3/05 2:14:07 PM Central Standard Time, 
jonlists@cbsol.com writes:


> Saturday morning, Kansas comes to town, ranked #3 and undefeated in Big 12 
> play. Nebraska has typically played well against the Jayhawks in Lincoln
> 
> It will be great if we can pull off a win against KU, not just because 
> they're undefeated and ranked highly, but because of where everyone is in 
> the conference standings. If we got the win, we'd be at .500, and we could 
> rise above the bottom half of the conference with a nice streak of home 
> games coming up. There are three of us (NU, A&M, and KSU) with three wins. 
> A&M plays Mizzou this Saturday, while KSU plays Colorado. KSU is the only 
> one in this group above us, so a win would give us a chance to gain ground 
> on a couple teams ahead of us, and place space between those below us. 
> Texas is at 4-3, and vulnerable since they now only have eight scholarship 
> players (too bad we didn't play them at home BEFORE this happened). 
> 
> Lately, our free throw shooting has been better, but our young leader, 
> McCray hasn't been scoring as much - let's hope he steps up in a big game. 
> Muhleisen finally had a big game against A&M. Obviously, everyone is going 
> to have to step it up a notch to beat KU. 
> 
> Unlike others, I don't find this season a disappointment. We're about 
> where I thought we'd be - we gave up some early victories to get our 
> younger guys experience, and now it's starting to pay off in conference 
> play. Whether or not the rest of the season is a disappointment - well, I 
> don't want to go so far as to say  this game against KU could make or 
> break us,  but if we can win it, we have a darned good shot at finishing 
> in the upper half of the conference. 
> 
> ESPN, 11:00 am Saturday. Watch it and comment on the game, otherwise keep 
> your 'fire the coach' posts to yourself. <G> 

"Make or break" MIGHT be the appropriate words here, Jon.  It's huge for NU 
... for just the reason you mentioned.  Beginning with KU, four of the next six 
in conference are at home.  The chance would still exist for an 8 and 8 
conference season and the upper-half finish -- IF we beat KU (and continue to play 
well ... OSU and OU to follow later, among others).  Sold out, like you said 
-- with an ample supply of KU fans on hand.  Let's hope the Husker crowd is up 
for it and the Devaney Center DOESN'T live up to it's nickname -- "The 
Library." (sshhhhhhh!!!!).

I walked right by Joe McCray last night as I was walking into WalMart last 
night, Jon.  He's every bit of 6-foot, 5.  And not a thin guy.  Big and physical 
for a shooting guard.  Against Utah Valley State Tuesday night, I saw him put 
the ball on the floor and penetrate more than I had all year.  5 assists and 
no turnovers, I believe.  Showed an instinct for dishing off -- one that he'll 
need in the coming years when defenses overload.  But you're right, his 
overall production is down the past couple, few games.

I think a key against KU is the big freshman, Maric, being healthy.  Missed 
the non-conference game Tuesday night with the flu.  Gotta' have those big 
bodies to pound against KU.  

Dave Norris
From j.harmon at tcu.edu  Fri Feb  4 08:34:07 2005
From: j.harmon at tcu.edu (Harmon, Josh)
Date: Fri Feb  4 08:33:27 2005
Subject: [Husker] Defensive coaching assignment changes
Message-ID: <240156E724FD4B43B5D4EA0F86C6BC8A5038AA@fsmail3.is.tcu.edu>

This is probably an unanswerable question, but what makes Blake -- among other select coaches really good recruiters?  I imagine they are good at identifying with and relating to the high school student athletes, but has any one heard anything in particular?  

I wasn't real excited about Blake coming here (he had some bad history with the Cowboys when Switzter brought him to Dallas), but I've been fairly impressed with what I've heard about his recruiting abilities at NU.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
Blake stays as defensive line coach and ace recruiter.


From alans at efn.org  Fri Feb  4 12:07:22 2005
From: alans at efn.org (Alan Siporin)
Date: Fri Feb  4 12:08:05 2005
Subject: [Husker] Defensive coaching assignment changes
In-Reply-To: <240156E724FD4B43B5D4EA0F86C6BC8A5038AA@fsmail3.is.tcu.edu>
Message-ID: <BE28F9DA.1084F%alans@efn.org>

On 2/4/05 6:34 AM, "Harmon, Josh" <j.harmon@tcu.edu> wrote:

> This is probably an unanswerable question, but what makes Blake -- among other
> select coaches really good recruiters?

He sells himself, first. His comments indicated that he has a way of bonding
with the kids, at least giving the impression that he will be there for them
for life, not just for four or five years. Obviously, a lot of recruiters
must try the same approach, and he's not the only one who succeeds at this.
But, by all accounts, Blake is very, very good at making this connection.
Once a kid bonds with a coach it becomes really hard for the kid to say no.
Many fans who follow recruiting get pissed off at the kids for changing
their minds or taking a long time, but if they bond with two or more coaches
from different schools, you can see how torn they become.

Blake also is very good with moms, another key to recruiting, giving them
the sense that he will take care of their boys while they are away from
home. These may be studs to football fans, but even 300 pound lineman are
little boys to their mamas. Big ole John Blake is just the guy to make sure
mama doesn't need to worry. I hear the word, sincerity, come up quite often
from recruits in describing Blake. True or not, that's the way they feel.
And they are probably right. Hard to fake that. And hard to fake a real
passion for this kind of draining work.

I don't know if this rambling helped. I hope so.

Alan Siporin

From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Fri Feb  4 12:23:39 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb  4 12:25:08 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] KANSAS is coming!
Message-ID: <e4.624186fe.2f3517ab@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/4/05 8:37:44 AM Central Standard Time, 
NUStLNorris@aol.com writes:


> I think a key against KU is the big freshman, Maric, being healthy.  Missed 
> 
> the non-conference game Tuesday night with the flu.  Gotta' have those big 
> bodies to pound against KU.  

Read in the paper today that Maric hasn't practiced yet this week.  Ouch.  
This would mean Wilbrand in to sub for Turek if (when?) he gets into foul 
trouble.  Really hurts from a depth/physical play standpoint.  Maybe he can make a 
dramatic recovery.  We need him.  Had 8 boards against KU in Lawrence.

Dave Norris

From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Fri Feb  4 12:28:40 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb  4 12:32:47 2005
Subject: [Husker] Marcus Walker - Future Husker Hoops "Difference-Maker?"
Message-ID: <88.1fb2930c.2f3518d8@aol.com>

There's an article in the Omaha World-Herald today re: Marcus Walker, Kansas 
City prep star who's committed to Nebraska (titled "Sharp Dressed Nebraska 
Man").  Compares favorably to Lue and Peeler, great KC prep and Big 8/Big 12 
studs.  He'll be playing in the Qwest Center this weekend.  Sounds like he's 
maturing a bit after a slow start.  Haven't checked for an on-line article.

Dave Norris
 
From RHartsock at aol.com  Fri Feb  4 17:17:49 2005
From: RHartsock at aol.com (RHartsock@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb  4 17:22:03 2005
Subject: [Husker] KANSAS is coming!
Message-ID: <1e3.347d5fb1.2f355c9d@aol.com>

 
OK !!! That's enough you guys! We can't have intelligent Hoops  conversations 
on this list! Now, back to uniform changes...

 
 
Rich



> Saturday morning, Kansas comes to town, ranked #3 and  undefeated in Big 12 
> play. Nebraska has typically played well against  the Jayhawks in Lincoln
> 
> It will be great if we can pull off a  win against KU, not just because 
> they're undefeated and ranked highly,  but because of where everyone is in 
> the conference standings. If we got  the win, we'd be at .500, and we could 
> rise above the bottom half of  the conference with a nice streak of home 
> games coming up. There are  three of us (NU, A&M, and KSU) with three wins. 
> A&M plays  Mizzou this Saturday, while KSU plays Colorado. KSU is the only 
> one in  this group above us, so a win would give us a chance to gain ground 
> on  a couple teams ahead of us, and place space between those below us. 
>  Texas is at 4-3, and vulnerable since they now only have eight scholarship 
 
> players (too bad we didn't play them at home BEFORE this happened).  
> 
> Lately, our free throw shooting has been better, but our young  leader, 
> McCray hasn't been scoring as much - let's hope he steps up in  a big game. 
> Muhleisen finally had a big game against A&M.  Obviously, everyone is going 
> to have to step it up a notch to beat KU.  
> 
> Unlike others, I don't find this season a disappointment.  We're about 
> where I thought we'd be - we gave up some early victories  to get our 
> younger guys experience, and now it's starting to pay off in  conference 
> play. Whether or not the rest of the season is a  disappointment - well, I 
> don't want to go so far as to say  this  game against KU could make or 
> break us,  but if we can win it, we  have a darned good shot at finishing 
> in the upper half of the  conference. 
> 
> ESPN, 11:00 am Saturday. Watch it and comment on  the game, otherwise keep 
> your 'fire the coach' posts to yourself.  <G> 

"Make or break" MIGHT be the appropriate words here,  Jon.  It's huge for NU 
... for just the reason you mentioned.   Beginning with KU, four of the next 
six 
in conference are at home.  The  chance would still exist for an 8 and 8 
conference season and the upper-half  finish -- IF we beat KU (and continue 
to play 
well ... OSU and OU to follow  later, among others).  Sold out, like you said 
-- with an ample supply  of KU fans on hand.  Let's hope the Husker crowd is 
up 
for it and the  Devaney Center DOESN'T live up to it's nickname -- "The 
Library."  (sshhhhhhh!!!!).

I walked right by Joe McCray last night as I was walking  into WalMart last 
night, Jon.  He's every bit of 6-foot, 5.  And  not a thin guy.  Big and 
physical 
for a shooting guard.  Against  Utah Valley State Tuesday night, I saw him 
put 
the ball on the floor and  penetrate more than I had all year.  5 assists and 
no turnovers, I  believe.  Showed an instinct for dishing off -- one that 
he'll 
need in  the coming years when defenses overload.  But you're right, his 
overall  production is down the past couple, few games.

I think a key against KU  is the big freshman, Maric, being healthy.  Missed 
the non-conference  game Tuesday night with the flu.  Gotta' have those big 
bodies to pound  against KU.  

Dave  Norris


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From gwfead at cox.net  Fri Feb  4 20:21:57 2005
From: gwfead at cox.net (Gary Fead)
Date: Fri Feb  4 20:20:08 2005
Subject: [Husker] NU/Iowa State Tickets
Message-ID: <000801c50b29$77ccc3c0$997d0d44@cx868370b>

Greetings All:

I have an extra pair of "B" level seats and a parking pass for Tuesday night's (Febr. 8) game against Iowa State. The tickets are $20 each and the parking pass is free with the tickets. 

If you are interested drop me a note and we'll figure something out. I'll be in Lincoln tomorrow for the Kansas game if we need to meet up at the BDSC. 

Gary Fead
Omaha
From kurtholst at netzero.net  Sat Feb  5 07:33:07 2005
From: kurtholst at netzero.net (Kurt Holst)
Date: Sat Feb  5 07:33:39 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
Message-ID: <4204CB13.9040304@netzero.net>

Fox Sports article (long) surveys college football 2005.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/3376128


"In this new world of win-now-or-else (just ask David Cutcliffe, John 
Thompson and Ty Willingham about that), here are ten coaches with fan 
bases that expect a 3-0 record even before the year starts. These guys 
might not necessarily be fired if they have a bad season, but the 
pressure-cooker is turned up several degrees for these high-profile 
coaches at big-time programs...

1. Bill Callahan, Nebraska: He has a monster recruiting class coming in, 
but he still has to get the Huskers back to a bowl and in serious 
contention for the Big XII title to stop the Big Red fans from seeing 
red. Don't forget that many are still ticked over the way the Frank 
Solich firing went down."

Kurt in FL
From jonlists at cbsol.com  Sat Feb  5 10:17:24 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Sat Feb  5 10:22:54 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
In-Reply-To: <4204CB13.9040304@netzero.net>
Message-ID: <OFA5CF539B.F9E35DBA-ON86256F9F.00591902-86256F9F.0059A137@cbsol.com>

husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/05/2005 07:33:07 AM:

> Fox Sports article (long) surveys college football 2005.
> 
> http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/3376128
> 
> 
> "In this new world of win-now-or-else (just ask David Cutcliffe, John 
> Thompson and Ty Willingham about that), here are ten coaches with fan 
> bases that expect a 3-0 record even before the year starts. These guys 
> might not necessarily be fired if they have a bad season, but the 
> pressure-cooker is turned up several degrees for these high-profile 
> coaches at big-time programs...
> 
> 1. Bill Callahan, Nebraska: He has a monster recruiting class coming in, 

> but he still has to get the Huskers back to a bowl and in serious 
> contention for the Big XII title to stop the Big Red fans from seeing 
> red. Don't forget that many are still ticked over the way the Frank 
> Solich firing went down."
> 
> Kurt in FL

I don't expect a bowl game next year. I'd be very cautious if any of you 
expect one either. The streaks are gone, so it doesn't really matter 
whether we're in contention for the Big 12 North next year or not. What's 
important is that we begin to rebuild the program. 

If you've been around for a while, you know that I could care less about 
recruiting. Still couldn't. Everything sounds great, but if we all expect 
these wonderful great athletes to show up and learn a complex offense by 
next fall, you're bound for disappointment. That, my dear Husker friends, 
will be your fault for setting false expectations, not Bill Callahan's or 
Harrison Beck's (or whomever is supposed to be the next saviour of 
Cornation).

I hope we all keep that in mind throughout spring and into fall. In the 
meantime, baseball season is coming 'round the corner. 

My baseball scouts tell me that the recruiting was good - that there is 
increased competition, and that defense will be much improved. Sounds 
trite, but success of the year will come down to whether or not pitching 
comes around. 

40 minutes 'til game time. 

Jon Johnston
Creative Business Solutions
IBM,Microsoft, Novell/Suse, Sophos Consultants
http://www.cbsol.com
952-544-1108 
Blog: http://bingo.cbsol.com
From rrbeach at rrbeach.com  Sat Feb  5 10:58:13 2005
From: rrbeach at rrbeach.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb  5 10:58:40 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
In-Reply-To: <OFA5CF539B.F9E35DBA-ON86256F9F.00591902-86256F9F.0059A137@cbsol.com>
References: <OFA5CF539B.F9E35DBA-ON86256F9F.00591902-86256F9F.0059A137@cbsol.com>
Message-ID: <200502051058130296.00115CC3@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>




On 2/5/2005 at 10:17 AM jonlists wrote:

>If you've been around for a while, you know that I could care less about 
>recruiting. Still couldn't. Everything sounds great, but if we all expect 
>these wonderful great athletes to show up and learn a complex offense by 
>next fall, you're bound for disappointment. That, my dear Husker friends, 
>will be your fault for setting false expectations, not Bill Callahan's or 
>Harrison Beck's (or whomever is supposed to be the next saviour of 
>Cornation).




     It depends what you mean when you say I could care less about recruiting, and I assume you mean you COULDN'T care less.  If you mean just because one comes in with glitzy stats doesn't necessarily mean they are going to pan out you are correct.  A great recruiting class on paper doesn't necessarily mean great results.  But, recruiting is the life blood of any program.  If you don't recruit you don't have a program.  So, looking at it that way I don't believe I could bring myself to the point to say I couldn't care less about recruiting.  While it is true, as has been stated, you still have to play the games, I would rather be rated the number one recruiting class than have everyone wonder where in the world we came up with these guys.  I never expect freshman to come in and have an impact the first year in Callahan's system or anyone else's system.  It is tough enough adjusting to college life after living with Mom and Dad all your life let alone absorbing the football system.


Bob Beach


From rrbeach at rrbeach.com  Sat Feb  5 11:03:18 2005
From: rrbeach at rrbeach.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb  5 11:03:46 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dinner
Message-ID: <200502051103180702.001605C1@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>

     This is rather lengthy but here are the notes from the recruiting dinner if anyone is interested.


http://65.98.70.3/vbbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21602


Bob Beach


From woosage at cox.net  Sat Feb  5 11:00:38 2005
From: woosage at cox.net (David Sage)
Date: Sat Feb  5 11:04:53 2005
Subject: [Husker] Bowl game
Message-ID: <001801c50ba4$37a10a10$3ce96644@sage>

I for one expect nothing less than a bowl game this year.  That means at least 6 wins.  That would also be an improvement from last year.  I expect that too.  

No improvement would be a big disappointment to me.

David Sage
From rrbeach at rrbeach.com  Sat Feb  5 11:42:31 2005
From: rrbeach at rrbeach.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb  5 11:43:05 2005
Subject: [Husker] Bowl game
In-Reply-To: <001801c50ba4$37a10a10$3ce96644@sage>
References: <001801c50ba4$37a10a10$3ce96644@sage>
Message-ID: <200502051142310983.0039EE42@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>




On 2/5/2005 at 11:00 AM David Sage wrote:

>I for one expect nothing less than a bowl game this year.  That means at
>least 6 wins.  That would also be an improvement from last year.  I expect
>that too.  
>
>No improvement would be a big disappointment to me.




     When a team wins more games it doesn't necessarily mean they improved nor a lesser record doesn't mean they necessarily digressed.  I believe this team could improve from last year and not necessarily have a better record.  I am going into this fall with no expectations.  It is probably going to take into the second year for a freshman to have an impact.  Freshmen have made impacts in the past but it is the exception and not the rule.  I think this year is still going to be a year of adjustment.  Now by 2006 things better be moving in the right direction but this year is wait and see for me.  


Bob Beach


From jonlists at cbsol.com  Sat Feb  5 11:48:20 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Sat Feb  5 11:53:44 2005
Subject: [Husker] KU by 5 at the half - 36-31
Message-ID: <OF8193349E.3CF301D3-ON86256F9F.006180F9-86256F9F.0061F450@cbsol.com>

The signal loss is particularly annoying... let's hope they straighten it 
out at the half. 

Simien from KU is nearly unstoppable, with 12 at the half, Langford with 
11. KU started cold, but now is shooting better than we are (47% - 41% 
from the floor).

Nebraska needs to take better care of the ball in the 2nd half, and start 
out-rebounding the Jayhawks. Better movement on defense definitely needed, 
when Langford killed us with the couple straight 3's - he was left alone. 

still in range......

Jon Johnston
Creative Business Solutions
IBM,Microsoft, Novell/Suse, Sophos Consultants
http://www.cbsol.com
952-544-1108 
Blog: http://bingo.cbsol.com
From theo at heise.nu  Sat Feb  5 11:53:15 2005
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Sat Feb  5 11:54:08 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
In-Reply-To: <200502051058130296.00115CC3@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
References: <OFA5CF539B.F9E35DBA-ON86256F9F.00591902-86256F9F.0059A137@cbsol.com>
	<200502051058130296.00115CC3@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0502051252220.22342@linus.heise.nu>



On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, Bob Beach wrote:
> On 2/5/2005 at 10:17 AM jonlists wrote:
>
> >If you've been around for a while, you know that I could care
> >less about recruiting.

>      It depends what you mean when you say I could care less about
> recruiting, and I assume you mean you COULDN'T care less.

This is disputed usage, actually.

http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxcouldc.html

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Feb  5 12:32:28 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Feb  5 12:32:31 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502051832.j15IWSCr030433@romaine.tssi.com>

> >      It depends what you mean when you say I could care less about
> > recruiting, and I assume you mean you COULDN'T care less.
> 
> This is disputed usage, actually.

Both are considered equivalent in current usage even though one is 
(on the face) implying somewhat the opposite.  

There's a grammatical term for that (something which expresses the opposite
sentiment of what it appears to say verbatim), but I can't recall what it
is right now.  
--
Mike Nolan, didactician

From jonlists at cbsol.com  Sat Feb  5 12:57:41 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Sat Feb  5 13:03:17 2005
Subject: [Husker] KU win - 78-65. 
Message-ID: <OFF1BF9F42.3AA31389-ON86256F9F.00677978-86256F9F.00684D9D@cbsol.com>

Score was worse than the game - we stayed in it, but just couldn't claw 
back into the lead after the first half. 

2nd half started out poorly - what McCray with 3 quick turnovers, we 
didn't protect the ball very well in the 2nd half, and shot the ball 
poorly. Poor defense underneath, and KU shooting the lights out even when 
the defense was good. KU came to town remembering last year's mashing, 
with a vengeance. 

KU has four seniors - Simien, Langford among them, not that it'll make a 
difference, but McCray's inexperience showed up. 

Our two dynamic freshmen didn't have a very good game. MCray with only 7, 
Marics playing only sparingly, finishing with zero. Good thing Dourisseau 
showed up to play, finishing with 24. Wilkinson with 13. Turek with 12. 

We still have a fair amount of basketball to play, but Dave Norris was 
right, this was make or break for any shot at the NCAA tourney. We might 
have a shot at the NIT, given that the Big 12 North other than KU is a 
mess, and we can pick up some wins in the next few games. 

Nice touch by the few KU fans with the rockchalkjayhawkKU chant at the 
end. 

Darn. (that's the G version under new FCC rules. It certainly wasn't what 
was said at our house.  <G>)

Coach K collapsing? Ouch. How 'bout Minnesota this year? Surprise 
team...... 

Jon Johnston
Creative Business Solutions
IBM,Microsoft, Novell/Suse, Sophos Consultants
http://www.cbsol.com
952-544-1108 
Blog: http://bingo.cbsol.com
From theo at heise.nu  Sat Feb  5 13:15:25 2005
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Sat Feb  5 13:16:17 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200502051832.j15IWSCr030433@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200502051832.j15IWSCr030433@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0502051413450.22561@linus.heise.nu>



On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, Mike Nolan wrote:

> > >      It depends what you mean when you say I could care less about
> > > recruiting, and I assume you mean you COULDN'T care less.
> >
> > This is disputed usage, actually.
>
> Both are considered equivalent in current usage even though one is
> (on the face) implying somewhat the opposite.

Depends on who you talk to--that's why it's disputed.

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From dkarre at comcast.net  Sat Feb  5 13:44:56 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sat Feb  5 13:41:23 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
	(fwd)
References: <200502051832.j15IWSCr030433@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <004401c50bbb$2bb50280$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

Paradox, I belive. (Or what you have when Brother Kruse visits his familiy
physician.)
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Nolan" <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
To: <husker@romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:32 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football (fwd)


> > >      It depends what you mean when you say I could care less about
> > > recruiting, and I assume you mean you COULDN'T care less.
> >
> > This is disputed usage, actually.
>
> Both are considered equivalent in current usage even though one is
> (on the face) implying somewhat the opposite.
>
> There's a grammatical term for that (something which expresses the
opposite
> sentiment of what it appears to say verbatim), but I can't recall what it
> is right now.
> --
> Mike Nolan, didactician
>
> _______________________________________________
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From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sat Feb  5 13:56:30 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sat Feb  5 14:00:36 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] KU win - 78-65. 
Message-ID: <20.3deb0f8a.2f367eee@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/5/05 1:05:20 PM Central Standard Time, 
jonlists@cbsol.com writes:


> Score was worse than the game - we stayed in it, but just couldn't claw 
> back into the lead after the first half. 
> 
> 2nd half started out poorly - what McCray with 3 quick turnovers, we 
> didn't protect the ball very well in the 2nd half, and shot the ball 
> poorly. Poor defense underneath, and KU shooting the lights out even when 
> the defense was good. KU came to town remembering last year's mashing, 
> with a vengeance. 
> 
> KU has four seniors - Simien, Langford among them, not that it'll make a 
> difference, but McCray's inexperience showed up. 
> 
> Our two dynamic freshmen didn't have a very good game. MCray with only 7, 
> Marics playing only sparingly, finishing with zero. Good thing Dourisseau 
> showed up to play, finishing with 24. Wilkinson with 13. Turek with 12. 

This was frustrating.  McCray wasn't good.  He had a quick stretch where he 
scored all seven points in the first half in about a minute-and-a-half.  Like 
Jon said, he struggled and made some poor decisions with the ball at the start 
of the second half when we were still in the game.  

But Barry took him out at the 17 minute mark (when we were still in the game) 
and re-entered him with 1:20 to play with the game already decided.  This 
mystified me.  For awhile I thought he must have told Barry to go blow, or 
something.  NU's only chance to win this game was to take Joe out for a minute or 
two, let him regroup, then have him play his way out of it.  He's averaging 
about 15 for a game for you and he's been your first option all year.  NU wasn't 
going to beat KU unless Joe snapped out of it and played a lot better in the 
second half.  We never gave him a chance.  You're never going to beat anybody of 
significance (top shelf Big XII teams) if you put the ball in the hands of 
Jason Dourisseau.  It's never happened and it's not going to happen ... nothing 
personal against the kid it's just got to do with "winning basketball."  I'll 
be kind and say his game is "limited."

This was KANSAS, not Texas Southern or Morgan State.  Barry decided to sit 
McCray for basically all of the second half.  Suicide.

Jake played an inspired game and Wilkensen is setting himself up to have a 
big year next year.  We need him to have a big year next year.  Maric was 
showing the affects of his recent illness.  Not many minutes and not much of a 
factor.  

McCray gets into trouble with his jumper when he doesn't square up.  Instead 
he'll have his side facing his target.  Great shooters have a tendancy when 
they're "feelin' it" to think that ANYTHING they throw up will go in ... and at 
times it does.  But not squaring up means you're not getting your legs and 
torso behind and underneath your shot.  The only guy I saw who could repeatedly 
get away with not squaring up was Downtown Freddie Brown, University of Iowa 
and the Seattle Supersonics (I'm showing my age). He was a machine.  Fred Brown 
shot regularly at a 90 degree angle from the direction he was facing.  HE WAS 
THE EXCEPTION, and he was quite exceptional.  McCray shoots in a hurry at 
times ... and you can do it if you see your shot ahead-of-the-fact and get squared 
up.

I've had about enough of this "Princeton-principled" offense.  Too much 
one-on-one play and waaaaaay too much dribbling.  With new personnel might come a 
new scheme.  I'd be all for it.

Give Kansas credit for playing very well, but they were NOT unbeatable today. 
 We didn't give ourselves much of a chance, in a number of ways.

This was frustrating.  Next up is Tuesday night vs. Iowa State at Bob's 
House.  My schedule says it's on Fox Sports Midwest.

Dave Norris
From alans at efn.org  Sat Feb  5 14:29:15 2005
From: alans at efn.org (Alan Siporin)
Date: Sat Feb  5 14:30:08 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0502051413450.22561@linus.heise.nu>
Message-ID: <BE2A6C9B.1088E%alans@efn.org>

On 2/5/05 11:15 AM, "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, Mike Nolan wrote:
> 
>>>>      It depends what you mean when you say I could care less about
>>>> recruiting, and I assume you mean you COULDN'T care less.
>>> 
>>> This is disputed usage, actually.
>> 
>> Both are considered equivalent in current usage even though one is
>> (on the face) implying somewhat the opposite.
> 
> Depends on who you talk to--that's why it's disputed.


I think it rewards ignorance to have some "word authority" now say either
one means the same thing. One phrase is COULD care less, the other is COULD
NOT care less, and they mean the same thing?! Enough people have miss-spoken
enough times and now it becomes accepted. Not for me. When someone says they
COULD care less, they are saying exactly that. What they should have said is
that they COULDN'T care less.

Alan Siporin

From alans at efn.org  Sat Feb  5 14:36:06 2005
From: alans at efn.org (Alan Siporin)
Date: Sat Feb  5 14:36:48 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
In-Reply-To: <OFA5CF539B.F9E35DBA-ON86256F9F.00591902-86256F9F.0059A137@cbsol.com>
Message-ID: <BE2A6E36.10890%alans@efn.org>


Jon, I know you don't like recruiting and I respect that. But let me make
this suggestion. Just as you might turn a friend (who only follows football)
on to baseball or basketball, I would suggest recruiting in the same vane.
It's like adding another sport to follow. It can be a lot of fun, a real
rush at times, and just like all the other sports, very frustrating at
times, too. That's all. No big deal either way.

Alan

From dkarre at comcast.net  Sat Feb  5 17:05:17 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sat Feb  5 17:01:42 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
References: <BE2A6E36.10890%alans@efn.org>
Message-ID: <006901c50bd7$290206c0$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

And besides, what else is there to do in the winter without a bowl game?
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Siporin" <alans@efn.org>
To: "jonlists" <jonlists@cbsol.com>; "Kurt Holst" <kurtholst@netzero.net>
Cc: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football


>
> Jon, I know you don't like recruiting and I respect that. But let me make
> this suggestion. Just as you might turn a friend (who only follows
football)
> on to baseball or basketball, I would suggest recruiting in the same vane.
> It's like adding another sport to follow. It can be a lot of fun, a real
> rush at times, and just like all the other sports, very frustrating at
> times, too. That's all. No big deal either way.
>
> Alan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> husker@tssi.com
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From theo at heise.nu  Sat Feb  5 17:10:16 2005
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Sat Feb  5 17:11:15 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
In-Reply-To: <BE2A6C9B.1088E%alans@efn.org>
References: <BE2A6C9B.1088E%alans@efn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0502051800060.22966@linus.heise.nu>



On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, Alan Siporin wrote:
> On 2/5/05 11:15 AM, "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote:

> > Depends on who you talk to--that's why it's disputed.
>
> I think it rewards ignorance to have some "word authority" now say
> either one means the same thing. One phrase is COULD care less,
> the other is COULD NOT care less, and they mean the same thing?!
> Enough people have miss-spoken enough times and now it becomes
> accepted. Not for me. When someone says they COULD care less, they
> are saying exactly that. What they should have said is that they
> COULDN'T care less.

I see you're a prescriptivist.  Do you have a hard time accepting
other changes in usage?  :)

Of course the "could care less" phrase isn't always a mistake--it
may be used ironically.

ObCornhuskers:  I got to see the second half of the game today, it
was disappointing as others have noted.  Thanks to the couple of
list members who provided nice game commentaries.

The announcers commented a couple of times that KU got NU out of
their rhythym, and the Cornhuskers were rushing their game.  This
seemed like an acurate assessment from what I saw, but I haven't
seen them play enough to really know.  What do those who have seen
the team play quite a bit think of this comment?

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From theo at heise.nu  Sat Feb  5 17:14:03 2005
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Sat Feb  5 17:14:58 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
In-Reply-To: <BE2A6E36.10890%alans@efn.org>
References: <BE2A6E36.10890%alans@efn.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0502051811050.22966@linus.heise.nu>



> But let me make this suggestion. Just as you might turn a friend
> (who only follows football) on to baseball or basketball, I would
> suggest recruiting in the same vane.

Would that be recruiting whichever way the wind blows?

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From jldean at mac.com  Sat Feb  5 19:26:24 2005
From: jldean at mac.com (Jim Dean)
Date: Sat Feb  5 19:26:52 2005
Subject: [Husker] On caring
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0502051811050.22966@linus.heise.nu>
Message-ID: <BE2ADC70.9013%jldean@mac.com>

On this subject I could care less, but it would be quite difficult.

Cheers,

Jim Dean


From rrbeach at rrbeach.com  Sat Feb  5 19:45:10 2005
From: rrbeach at rrbeach.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb  5 19:45:38 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
In-Reply-To: <BE2A6C9B.1088E%alans@efn.org>
References: <BE2A6C9B.1088E%alans@efn.org>
Message-ID: <200502051945100343.01F3CCF9@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>





On 2/5/2005 at 12:29 PM Alan Siporin wrote:

>I think it rewards ignorance to have some "word authority" now say either
>one means the same thing. One phrase is COULD care less, the other is COULD
>NOT care less, and they mean the same thing?! Enough people have
>miss-spoken
>enough times and now it becomes accepted. Not for me. When someone says
>they
>COULD care less, they are saying exactly that. What they should have said
>is
>that they COULDN'T care less.




     I tend to agree.  The words "could" and "couldn't" have exact opposite meanings.  When it was decided they mean the same thing it was decided it applied only when saying "couldn't care less" or "could care less."  In all other circumstances the words "could" and "couldn't" mean what they really mean.  Anyway, I wasn't trying to stir anything up.  I just wanted to make sure I understand what the gentleman was trying to say when I responded.    


Bob Beach


From rrbeach at rrbeach.com  Sat Feb  5 20:29:50 2005
From: rrbeach at rrbeach.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb  5 20:30:21 2005
Subject: [Husker] Blake
Message-ID: <200502052029500296.021CB18A@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>

     Pretty good article on John Blake.


http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/8157300


Bob Beach

From alans at efn.org  Sat Feb  5 22:15:21 2005
From: alans at efn.org (Alan Siporin)
Date: Sat Feb  5 22:16:03 2005
Subject: [Husker] Spring questions from around college football
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0502051811050.22966@linus.heise.nu>
Message-ID: <BE2AD9D9.108A2%alans@efn.org>

On 2/5/05 3:14 PM, "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote:

> 
> 
>> But let me make this suggestion. Just as you might turn a friend
>> (who only follows football) on to baseball or basketball, I would
>> suggest recruiting in the same vane.
> 
> Would that be recruiting whichever way the wind blows?



Very good. I'm busted. And bleeding. You really cut my vein to the quick
with that one.

From alans at efn.org  Sat Feb  5 22:19:12 2005
From: alans at efn.org (Alan Siporin)
Date: Sat Feb  5 22:19:57 2005
Subject: [Husker] On caring
In-Reply-To: <BE2ADC70.9013%jldean@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BE2ADAC0.108A4%alans@efn.org>

On 2/5/05 5:26 PM, "Jim Dean" <jldean@mac.com> wrote:

> On this subject I could care less, but it would be quite difficult.

People want to put down correct language usage, but I really don't know what
you mean. Are you being sarcastic? Or do you mean you couldn't care less,
and still don't understand the meaning of your own words? Either way, you
make the point.

From jonlists at cbsol.com  Sat Feb  5 23:58:16 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Sun Feb  6 00:03:46 2005
Subject: [Husker] basketball rhythm
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0502051800060.22966@linus.heise.nu>
Message-ID: <OFAFFAF4C2.54301960-ON86256FA0.00209920-86256FA0.0020F260@cbsol.com>

husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/05/2005 05:10:16 PM:

> [snip all the crap about caring less, i'll never use that phrase again]
> ObCornhuskers:  I got to see the second half of the game today, it
> was disappointing as others have noted.  Thanks to the couple of
> list members who provided nice game commentaries.
> 
> The announcers commented a couple of times that KU got NU out of
> their rhythym, and the Cornhuskers were rushing their game.  This
> seemed like an acurate assessment from what I saw, but I haven't
> seen them play enough to really know.  What do those who have seen
> the team play quite a bit think of this comment?
> 
> -- 
> Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA
> 

I listen on the internet, and I watch them on TV when I get the chance, I 
certainly don't go to the game, and I'm not a basketball expert. The only 
things I am willing to do are : 

- be an eternal optimist when it comes to Husker basketball 

- talk about the sport on this list even though most people don't care 
about it much. 

Nebraska was rushing their game. The offense they run is predicated on 
ball movement and hitting the open person. They didn't do that, some times 
they didn't even come close. 

Jon Johnston
Creative Business Solutions
IBM,Microsoft, Novell/Suse, Sophos Consultants
http://www.cbsol.com
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From kurtholst at netzero.net  Sun Feb  6 09:14:58 2005
From: kurtholst at netzero.net (Kurt Holst)
Date: Sun Feb  6 09:15:28 2005
Subject: [Husker] Possible impact players (recruiting related)
Message-ID: <42063472.1090203@netzero.net>

While I agree with the general consensus that very few true freshman 
make an impact at the major college level, the 2005 Husker recruiting 
class includes 12 players with JUCO experience of which several could 
step into the starting roles next year, or at least see significant 
playing time, such as:

Zachary Bowman, CB, 6'2", 200
(Three of the top four CB's from last year have departed)

Dontrell Moore, LB, 6'2", 225
Steve Octavien, LB, 6'1", 230
(All of the "Mike" and "Will" LB's listed on the final depth chart are gone)

Ola Dagunduro, DT, 6'2", 315
Barry Cryer, DT, 6'3", 285
(Should provide depth and become part of the DT rotation, Teamer may not 
be back)

Justin Tomerlin,TE/DE 6'6", 265
(Should provide depth on either side of the ball, wants to play TE)

QB Zac Taylor and at least a few of the true freshmen should show up on 
the depth chart before first game next year.  I hope there is at least 
one player in this class that can become a dangerous punt returner 
(Lucky/Jackson/Rands?) or receiver (Brooks/Hardy). 

http://collegefootballnews.com/Big_12/2005_Pages/Recruiting_BigXII.htm

Kurt in FL

From HuskersNY at aol.com  Sun Feb  6 10:22:58 2005
From: HuskersNY at aol.com (HuskersNY@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb  6 10:27:00 2005
Subject: [Husker] Possible impact players (recruiting related)
Message-ID: <12d.557d25e4.2f379e62@aol.com>

 
I hate to ask stupid questions, but I've failed at figuring this one  out on 
my own.  Can someone please explain to me about Mike and Will  Linebackers?  
When did they get these names?  Why?  How do they  differ from linebackers of, 
say, 5 years ago?  thanks!
 
 
In a message dated 2/6/2005 10:18:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
kurtholst@netzero.net writes:

While I  agree with the general consensus that very few true freshman 
make an  impact at the major college level, the 2005 Husker recruiting 
class  includes 12 players with JUCO experience of which several could 
step into  the starting roles next year, or at least see significant 
playing time,  such as:

Zachary Bowman, CB, 6'2", 200
(Three of the top four CB's  from last year have departed)

Dontrell Moore, LB, 6'2", 225
Steve  Octavien, LB, 6'1", 230
(All of the "Mike" and "Will" LB's listed on the  final depth chart are gone)

Ola Dagunduro, DT, 6'2", 315
Barry  Cryer, DT, 6'3", 285
(Should provide depth and become part of the DT  rotation, Teamer may not 
be back)

Justin Tomerlin,TE/DE 6'6",  265
(Should provide depth on either side of the ball, wants to play  TE)

QB Zac Taylor and at least a few of the true freshmen should show  up on 
the depth chart before first game next year.  I hope there is  at least 
one player in this class that can become a dangerous punt  returner 
(Lucky/Jackson/Rands?) or receiver (Brooks/Hardy).  

http://collegefootballnews.com/Big_12/2005_Pages/Recruiting_BigXII.htm

Kurt  in FL

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From rrbeach at rrbeach.com  Sun Feb  6 10:26:39 2005
From: rrbeach at rrbeach.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb  6 10:27:11 2005
Subject: [Husker] Possible impact players (recruiting related)
In-Reply-To: <42063472.1090203@netzero.net>
References: <42063472.1090203@netzero.net>
Message-ID: <200502061026390280.0018B3AB@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>




On 2/6/2005 at 10:14 AM Kurt Holst wrote:

>While I agree with the general consensus that very few true freshman 
>make an impact at the major college level, the 2005 Husker recruiting 
>class includes 12 players with JUCO experience of which several could 
>step into the starting roles next year, or at least see significant 
>playing time, such as:




     And, I believe that is why Callahan went after JUCO's so heavily.  He wants players that can contribute now.  That is exactly how Snyder built K-State.  I wondered be at all surprised if Zac Taylor is the QB in the fall.  This article appeared in today's Lincoln Journal-Star.


http://tinyurl.com/7xwex


Bob Beach


From rrbeach at rrbeach.com  Sun Feb  6 11:05:31 2005
From: rrbeach at rrbeach.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb  6 11:06:00 2005
Subject: [Husker] Possible impact players (recruiting related)
In-Reply-To: <12d.557d25e4.2f379e62@aol.com>
References: <12d.557d25e4.2f379e62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200502061105310983.003C4BCA@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>




On 2/6/2005 at 11:22 AM HuskersNY@aol.com wrote:

>I hate to ask stupid questions, but I've failed at figuring this one  out
>on 
>my own.  Can someone please explain to me about Mike and Will 
>Linebackers?  
>When did they get these names?  Why?  How do they  differ from linebackers
>of, 
>say, 5 years ago?  thanks!




     I have actually wondered the same thing but I will interject what I think it is.  NU calls its linebackers WILL, SAM, and MIKE.  Years ago, and at in other programs, the linebackers are called weak side, strong side, and middle linebackers.  Notice the first letter of each corresponding.  I believe that is the basic idea.  I am not much of an X's and O's person to give you their exact responsibilities.


     The other position at NU I have wondered where it came from is rush end.  I have a general concept of the position but I have never heard the term "rush end" anywhere but at NU. 


Bob Beach 


From alans at efn.org  Sun Feb  6 11:52:46 2005
From: alans at efn.org (Alan Siporin)
Date: Sun Feb  6 11:53:28 2005
Subject: [Husker] Possible impact players (recruiting related)
In-Reply-To: <200502061105310983.003C4BCA@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BE2B996E.108BC%alans@efn.org>


> On 2/6/2005 at 11:22 AM HuskersNY@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> I hate to ask stupid questions, but I've failed at figuring this one  out
>> on 
>> my own.  Can someone please explain to me about Mike and Will
>> Linebackers?  
>> When did they get these names?  Why?  How do they  differ from linebackers
>> of, 
>> say, 5 years ago?  thanks!
> 

I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure this goes back to when Osborne was
still coach. Many programs use the same terminology. I think football people
don't like using the term "weak" to describe a position. So it began with
the weakside linebacker, also referred to as the weak linebacker, becoming
will linebacker. Then, to be consistent, the strongside and middle changed
to sam and mike. As was stated by Bob Beach, the first letter determined the
names.

From Patrick462 at aol.com  Sun Feb  6 11:27:57 2005
From: Patrick462 at aol.com (Patrick Weigel)
Date: Sun Feb  6 12:12:10 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: Possible impact players (recruiting related)
References: <12d.557d25e4.2f379e62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1107710796.24372852c5c53c007c9a1bf33bff3a76@teranews>

In article <12d.557d25e4.2f379e62@aol.com>, HuskersNY@aol.com wrote:

In a 4 - 3 defense, you have (in general) three linebackers. One plays 
in between the other two, and is called the Middle linebacker. One other 
plays across from the tight end, and is called the Strong linebacker 
(the TE side of the offense is called the Strong side). The last 
linebacker plays on the side where the TE isn't, and is called the Weak 
linebacker (the side of the offense without the TE is called the Weak 
side).

Each coaching staff has their own terminology. Some time ago a lot of 
staffs renamed the Strong, Middle, and Weak linebackers to Sam, Mike, 
and Will (S = Strong = Sam, M = Middle = Mike, W = Weak = Will). 
Personally I think this was to avoid calling someone the Weak 
linebacker, but I don't really know.

You need slightly different skills at each position. For example the 
Mike LB will probably be more of a run stopper than a pass coverer, so 
he will tend to be a little bigger and slower.

As far as I know, they don't differ from the LB's of five years ago, 
it's just a terminology change.

Now if you want to know the difference between the LB's in a 4 - 3 and a 
5 - 2, you'll need to talk to someone who knows a lot more than me.

>  
> I hate to ask stupid questions, but I've failed at figuring this one  out on 
> my own.  Can someone please explain to me about Mike and Will  Linebackers?  
> When did they get these names?  Why?  How do they  differ from linebackers 
> of, 
> say, 5 years ago?  thanks!
>  
>

From Patrick462 at aol.com  Sun Feb  6 11:19:19 2005
From: Patrick462 at aol.com (Patrick Weigel)
Date: Sun Feb  6 12:12:52 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: Possible impact players (recruiting related)
References: <42063472.1090203@netzero.net>
	<200502061026390280.0018B3AB@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1107710273.977a55ab46f3579cc60e29a0697f4ad6@teranews>

In article <200502061026390280.0018B3AB@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>,
 "Bob Beach" <rrbeach@rrbeach.com> wrote:

I agree, we have several positions that need starters right away, and 
several more that desperately need quality depth.

One thing that caught my eye (OK, ear) at Callahan's recruiting press 
conference was that he said one of the reasons he recruited so many 
JUCO's was to balance out the classes, so that we wouldn't have every 
starter graduate at the same time in four years. I haven't looked at the 
depth chart or scholarships by class, but it sounds like we have fewer 
people in the three-years-to-graduate class, so Callahan thought it wise 
to fill up that class.


>      And, I believe that is why Callahan went after JUCO's so heavily.  He 
>      wants players that can contribute now.  
> 
> Bob Beach
> 
> 
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From rrbeach at rrbeach.com  Sun Feb  6 12:51:45 2005
From: rrbeach at rrbeach.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb  6 12:52:12 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: Possible impact players (recruiting related)
In-Reply-To: <1107710796.24372852c5c53c007c9a1bf33bff3a76@teranews>
References: <12d.557d25e4.2f379e62@aol.com>
	<1107710796.24372852c5c53c007c9a1bf33bff3a76@teranews>
Message-ID: <200502061251450060.009D8B5C@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>




On 2/6/2005 at 11:27 AM Patrick Weigel wrote:

>Each coaching staff has their own terminology. Some time ago a lot of 
>staffs renamed the Strong, Middle, and Weak linebackers to Sam, Mike, 
>and Will (S = Strong = Sam, M = Middle = Mike, W = Weak = Will). 
>Personally I think this was to avoid calling someone the Weak 
>linebacker, but I don't really know.




     I believe you are right and am not disagreeing.  It was originally called Weak SIDE Linebacker, not Weak Linebacker, and Strong SIDE Linebacker, and not Strong Linebacker.  So, it wasn't meant to suggest strength or weaknes but which side of the field they went to.  Coaches seemed to figure if you sent the player to the weak side every time he would learn the position better and easier than if you had a left linebacker and right linebacker.  In that situation sometimes one would be weak side and sometimes strong side.  But, things evolve and football coaches seem wont to use their own jargon.


Bob Beach  


From Grannysker at aol.com  Sun Feb  6 20:28:04 2005
From: Grannysker at aol.com (Grannysker@aol.com)
Date: Mon Feb  7 08:19:30 2005
Subject: [Husker] Hochstein helps NE get score
Message-ID: <15a.49c765e6.2f382c34@aol.com>

Russ Hochstein just blocked and got Cory Dillon into the end zone.   That was 
absolutely beautiful - vintage Nebraska!
 
Delmarie Edmonds
Smyrna, TN
From sscornelius at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 15:48:16 2005
From: sscornelius at gmail.com (Steve Cornelius)
Date: Mon Feb  7 15:49:26 2005
Subject: [Husker] Jordan Congdon
Message-ID: <3e3d5a9050207134859614668@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like our placekicking woes have been solved!

http://tinyurl.com/29xvf

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From python3955 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  7 17:37:58 2005
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Mon Feb  7 17:38:35 2005
Subject: [Husker] Jordan Congdon
References: <3e3d5a9050207134859614668@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV69467FDAA5E7E0E686FC7D1730@phx.gbl>

All I get here is a log on to Gmail......

Monty

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: [Husker] Jordan Congdon


> Sounds like our placekicking woes have been solved!
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/29xvf

From dkarre at comcast.net  Mon Feb  7 18:53:07 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Mon Feb  7 18:49:34 2005
Subject: [Husker] Joe Dailey
Message-ID: <007901c50d78$8eb6abe0$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

The Rag pronounces Dailey DOA.
http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/420774249575a
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
From sscornelius at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 18:56:17 2005
From: sscornelius at gmail.com (Steve Cornelius)
Date: Mon Feb  7 18:57:28 2005
Subject: [Husker] Jordan Congdon
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-DAV69467FDAA5E7E0E686FC7D1730@phx.gbl>
References: <3e3d5a9050207134859614668@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY102-DAV69467FDAA5E7E0E686FC7D1730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3e3d5a9050207165621149ea1@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:37:58 -0700, Monty Perry <python3955@hotmail.com> wrote:
> All I get here is a log on to Gmail......
> 
> Monty
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Cornelius"
> To: "Husker List" <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:48 PM
> Subject: [Husker] Jordan Congdon
> 
> > Sounds like our placekicking woes have been solved!
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/29xvf
> 
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Oops!

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Feb  7 19:32:42 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Feb  7 19:32:44 2005
Subject: [Husker] Joe Dailey (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502080132.j181Wggh017982@romaine.tssi.com>

> The Rag pronounces Dailey DOA.
> http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/420774249575a
> Dick Karre

Yeah, but the writers at the Rag had had their way back around 1990, 
Tom Osborne would have been fired.

Which of the new QBs are on campus now and will get a chance to show their
stuff in spring drills?
--
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From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Mon Feb  7 19:39:22 2005
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott Lawson)
Date: Mon Feb  7 19:39:59 2005
Subject: [Husker] Joe Dailey (fwd)
Message-ID: <606EB32565100B4DB32CB3423FACD310025A84EC@email2.albany.edu>

I for one am a little skeptical of the source, although I probably agree
that Dailey may not be the starter in the Fall. I'm certainly not a skilled
journalist (although that was my minor), but the author seems to make a few
assumptions that would be tough to prove in that article. For all we know,
Dailey could be the best option in the Fall, regardless of what people think
about Taylor and Beck at the levels they've been at.

Scott in NY

-----Original Message-----
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Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:33 PM
To: husker@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] Joe Dailey (fwd)


> The Rag pronounces Dailey DOA.
>
http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/420774249575a
> Dick Karre

Yeah, but the writers at the Rag had had their way back around 1990, 
Tom Osborne would have been fired.

Which of the new QBs are on campus now and will get a chance to show their
stuff in spring drills?
--
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From strongtodd at msn.com  Mon Feb  7 19:50:38 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Mon Feb  7 19:51:38 2005
Subject: [Husker] Joe Dailey (fwd)
References: <606EB32565100B4DB32CB3423FACD310025A84EC@email2.albany.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV293283E5D4074293D14676CD740@phx.gbl>

Scott......you said the word "option" in your post.
No soup for YOU!

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Lawson" <SLawson@uamail.albany.edu>
To: "'Mike Nolan'" <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>; <husker@romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Husker] Joe Dailey (fwd)


>I for one am a little skeptical of the source, although I probably agree
> that Dailey may not be the starter in the Fall. I'm certainly not a 
> skilled
> journalist (although that was my minor), but the author seems to make a 
> few
> assumptions that would be tough to prove in that article. For all we know,
> Dailey could be the best option in the Fall, regardless of what people 
> think
> about Taylor and Beck at the levels they've been at.
>
> Scott in NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
> Of Mike Nolan
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:33 PM
> To: husker@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [Husker] Joe Dailey (fwd)
>
>
>> The Rag pronounces Dailey DOA.
>>
> http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/420774249575a
>> Dick Karre
>
> Yeah, but the writers at the Rag had had their way back around 1990,
> Tom Osborne would have been fired.
>
> Which of the new QBs are on campus now and will get a chance to show their
> stuff in spring drills?
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Mon Feb  7 20:22:09 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Mon Feb  7 20:18:30 2005
Subject: [Husker] Joe Dailey (fwd)
References: <200502080132.j181Wggh017982@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <009401c50d84$fe3d46c0$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

Taylor has enrolled and will participate in spring practice, and Adams is
presumably healthy. If nothing else, JD will have some competition.

Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Nolan" <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
To: <husker@romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: [Husker] Joe Dailey (fwd)


> > The Rag pronounces Dailey DOA.
> >
http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/420774249575a
> > Dick Karre
>
> Yeah, but the writers at the Rag had had their way back around 1990,
> Tom Osborne would have been fired.
>
> Which of the new QBs are on campus now and will get a chance to show their
> stuff in spring drills?
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From kmckillip at houston.rr.com  Mon Feb  7 21:13:46 2005
From: kmckillip at houston.rr.com (Kenneth McKillip)
Date: Mon Feb  7 21:14:20 2005
Subject: [Husker] Hochstein helps NE get score
References: <15a.49c765e6.2f382c34@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901c50d8c$342cf030$0201a8c0@useruqy2v59qeu>

I thought the Pat's screen passes to the outside looked like an old Nebraska 
play with all the blockers they got out there.  Just overpowered the Eagle's 
defense with blocking on the perimeter.  Philadephia never did stop it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Grannysker@aol.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:28 PM
Subject: [Husker] Hochstein helps NE get score


> Russ Hochstein just blocked and got Cory Dillon into the end zone.   That 
> was
> absolutely beautiful - vintage Nebraska!
>
> Delmarie Edmonds
> Smyrna, TN
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From rrbeach at rrbeach.com  Mon Feb  7 22:37:48 2005
From: rrbeach at rrbeach.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Mon Feb  7 22:38:13 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
Message-ID: <200502072237480046.07DC72D4@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>

Dailey undoubtedly is done


http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/420774249575a


Bob Beach

From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  8 07:16:49 2005
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Tue Feb  8 07:18:11 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
In-Reply-To: <200502072237480046.07DC72D4@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20050208131649.98582.qmail@web54110.mail.yahoo.com>

I seem to recall when Joe was recruited he was
supposed to take over as a freshmen for Jammall Lord.
He was recruited because he could throw the ball and
Cotton was going to open up the offense more. Then
last year it was going to be Jordan Adams or Beau
Davis who we brought in to start at qb. Well Dailey
started and finished the season last year. Everything
that you read on this kid is about how hard he works.
He is either studying the play book, watching film, or
working on his throwing. It wont surprise me at all if
he is the starting qb again this coming season. 
--- Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com> wrote:

> Dailey undoubtedly is done
> 
> 
>
http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/420774249575a
> 
> 
> Bob Beach
> 
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From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Tue Feb  8 07:54:02 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb  8 07:58:04 2005
Subject: [Husker] Iowa State at Nebraska; 7:05 p.m. at the Devaney Center
Message-ID: <1ad.30f0779a.2f3a1e7a@aol.com>

Also scheduled for telecast on Fox Sports Net.  Did anyone take notice of 
what Iowa State did this weekend?  They ended a 28-game conference losing streak 
on the road by winning, in all places, Austin, Texas!!!!  So much for any 
remaining "gimmes."  They are playing very well, having won three in conference in 
a row since starting 0 and 5.  It's a must win for both teams that desire a 
break-even conference season.  NU plays Saturday night in Waco following 
tonight's game.  They must win both if they want ANY chance of a break-even 
conference season (and it would STILL be an uphill battle).  I see on my digital cable 
guide that the game in Baylor Saturday night is also scheduled for Fox Sports 
Net.  Did anyone else see the talent level on display last night during Okie 
State's win over Norman in Stillwater?  The defensive pressure those teams 
apply is suffocating.  Great coaches ... great teams.

Dave Norris
From andy at knipp.com  Tue Feb  8 14:24:07 2005
From: andy at knipp.com (Andy Knipp)
Date: Tue Feb  8 14:24:49 2005
Subject: [Husker] Pelini to LSU ?  (DC)
Message-ID: <20050208202407.9F96E9E890@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com>


Les Miles will be filling out his staff at LSU,  announcing on Thursday.  It appears that Bo will be the DC:

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1331389

I was wondering if Miles would be keeping any/many of the assistants from the 10 win team last year.  Certainly not
the DC.

Andy

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From strongtodd at msn.com  Tue Feb  8 15:40:53 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Tue Feb  8 15:41:37 2005
Subject: [Husker] Shuler
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV27ABEA40CF1F1B9BA781C8CD740@phx.gbl>

Anyone else read the Daily Nebraskan, regarding Ryan Shuler?
Says he is cleared to play, the current staff gave up on him and that Callahan never returned his calls. 

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
From alans at efn.org  Tue Feb  8 17:09:22 2005
From: alans at efn.org (Alan Siporin)
Date: Tue Feb  8 17:10:06 2005
Subject: [Husker] Pelini/ Shuler
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-DAV27ABEA40CF1F1B9BA781C8CD740@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BE2E86A2.1091D%alans@efn.org>


>From the OWH:
He (Pelini) is owed another $208,000 by Nebraska this year regardless of if
or where he coaches.

I had this disagreement with a few people on the list early last fall, and
let it rest when they insisted they had hard evidence that Pelini was no
longer owed money by NU. So, which is it? Are you guys wrong? Or is the OWH?

On a second point,
On 2/8/05 1:40 PM, "todd strong" <strongtodd@msn.com> wrote:

> Anyone else read the Daily Nebraskan, regarding Ryan Shuler?
> Says he is cleared to play, the current staff gave up on him and that Callahan
> never returned his calls.


Was this just in the Daily? I thought I read this six months ago, or
possibly longer. 

Alan

From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  8 18:29:48 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Tue Feb  8 18:31:03 2005
Subject: [Husker] Pelini/ Shuler
In-Reply-To: <BE2E86A2.1091D%alans@efn.org>
Message-ID: <20050209002948.99128.qmail@web30409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The story on Schuler is an update:

http://www.dailynebraskan.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/08/42085dc838839

If that doesn't work, try http://tinyurl.com/3q4ue

Schuler has been treated by the Mayo Clinic with a new
technique which clears up the blood clot without
causing any further damage to the veins.  The doctors
at the Mayo Clinic say he's cleared.

As for Pelini, my understanding is that Nebraska has
to pay Pelini his full contract whether he coaches for
the Huskers or not.  Whether or not Nebraska already
made a lump-sum payout or if Pelini is still receiving
regular checks, I don't know.  It's probably just a
detail.


--- Alan Siporin <alans@efn.org> wrote:

> 
> >From the OWH:
> He (Pelini) is owed another $208,000 by Nebraska
> this year regardless of if
> or where he coaches.
> 
> I had this disagreement with a few people on the
> list early last fall, and
> let it rest when they insisted they had hard
> evidence that Pelini was no
> longer owed money by NU. So, which is it? Are you
> guys wrong? Or is the OWH?
> 
> On a second point,
> On 2/8/05 1:40 PM, "todd strong"
> <strongtodd@msn.com> wrote:
> 
> > Anyone else read the Daily Nebraskan, regarding
> Ryan Shuler?
> > Says he is cleared to play, the current staff gave
> up on him and that Callahan
> > never returned his calls.
> 
> 
> Was this just in the Daily? I thought I read this
> six months ago, or
> possibly longer. 
> 
> Alan
> 
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From strongtodd at msn.com  Tue Feb  8 20:06:05 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Tue Feb  8 20:06:37 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: Pelini/ Shuler
References: <BE2E86A2.1091D%alans@efn.org>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV21C5047C7A2FF0645BB6C5CD750@phx.gbl>

I just read it yesterday. Rather lengthy article too.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Siporin" <alans@efn.org>
To: "todd strong" <strongtodd@msn.com>; <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:09 PM
Subject: Pelini/ Shuler


>
> From the OWH:
> He (Pelini) is owed another $208,000 by Nebraska this year regardless of 
> if
> or where he coaches.
>
> I had this disagreement with a few people on the list early last fall, and
> let it rest when they insisted they had hard evidence that Pelini was no
> longer owed money by NU. So, which is it? Are you guys wrong? Or is the 
> OWH?
>
> On a second point,
> On 2/8/05 1:40 PM, "todd strong" <strongtodd@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone else read the Daily Nebraskan, regarding Ryan Shuler?
>> Says he is cleared to play, the current staff gave up on him and that 
>> Callahan
>> never returned his calls.
>
>
> Was this just in the Daily? I thought I read this six months ago, or
> possibly longer.
>
> Alan
>
> 

From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  8 20:20:23 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Tue Feb  8 20:21:38 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne:  "Faith in the Game"
Message-ID: <20050209022023.16681.qmail@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I must admit that last Wednesday, my thoughts and
emotions about Husker football were quite a bit
different than many of my fellow Husker fans.  I was
on vacation, far far away from all of the recruiting
hype, which I sometimes find irritating &/or
irrelevant.  But the 2005 signing class wasn't the
reason for my divergence in opinion from the
"Recruitniks", who may have been dancing from light
poles at 72nd & Dodge for all I know.  Instead, I had
just finished Tom Osborne's "Faith in the Game". 
Published in 1999, it's probably a book that Osborne
couldn't write today.

I have been a frequent critic of Steve Pederson, and
have had mixed emotions about Bill Callahan.  I've
felt that something very special was lost last winter,
but I've never been able to really define what it was.
 Certainly, the academic and support programs for the
Huskers are still there. In fact, I think Pederson is
trying to make this a point of emphasis again.
(Witness hiring Dave Kennedy and the stadium
improvements.)  I thought it might have been the old
unique Husker style of play, but even that has evolved
over the years.  That wasn't it.

After reading the book, I still can't be precise about
it, but maybe the best way to put it is that perhaps
it really is something inside - the soul.

Osborne's book talks about some of the values that the
Nebraska football program embraced - many of which
I've  seen obliterated over the last 14 months: 
Character, Faith, Honesty, Loyalty, Setting Goals,
Paying a Price, Unity, Hanging in There, and Teamwork.

Not all is negative about the current program; there
are still many positive traits in the program.  But
today's Ryan Schuler story is yet another example of
the program moving in the wrong direction.  Osborne
talks about his love for every member of the program,
and the necessity for the team and coaching staff to
be completely united with honest communications going
both ways. The Schuler and Andy Birkel stories come to
mind, as well as the warmup debacle from mid-season.

Recruiting is another area that receives scrutiny in
Osborne's book.  My favorite quote was "If there is
any validity to the ratings of the recruiting gurus,
our coaches and support staff have been able to
maximize the talents of our players to an unusual
degree."  Two practices that Osborne criticizes as
being dishonest now appear to be creeping into the
Husker program.  

Under Osborne and Solich, most recruiting visits
occurred during December and January.  The goal was to
maximize the amount of time spent with recruits and to
make sure the recruits had the maximum amount of time
to learn about the school, both academically and
athletically.  Osborne criticized recruiting that
tried to be flashy.  Today, players are rushed in
during the season after playing Friday night games to
see one of 7 home gamedays each year, when the
attention of coaches, support staff, and even faculty
is diverted for an extended period of time for the
game.

Osborne also never promised any player playing time or
positions, only the opportunity to compete for
positions.  Several recruits this year, especially the
JuCo's, gave the indications that they already are
starters before even enrolling.

Other aspects of recruiting that Osborne endorses as
being vital to the success of the program have fallen
by the wayside.  Osborne credits much of the success
of Nebraska football to the size of the walkon
program. There were 2 advantages of the walk-on
program:  walkons frequently were native Nebraskans
who had the heart and work ethic that sometimes meant
they became better college players than some of the
"blue chippers" that were recruited.  The other was
that it allowed Nebraska to run multiple stations at
practice, as both the first and second strings were
able to work against a scout team simultaneously.

The book is filled with many stories that explain how
Osborne ran the program.  Last week, I recall someone
on this list asking if Osborne ever turned away a
recruit; Osborne talks about telling Spencer Tillman
to sign with Oklahoma based on his academic desires. 
Tillman went on to become an all-American for Oklahoma
in the mid 80's.  I even gained a new respect and
understanding of Osborne's handling of Lawrence
Phillips, which I criticized 10 years ago.

As I stated, when I finished this book, I was rather
depressed for the direction of the Husker football
program.  However, Osborne's final chapter talks about
"moving on".  I do remind myself that just because
Callahan and Pederson have elected to run the program
differently doesn't automatically mean that it's wrong
either.  Just different.

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From shubs at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  8 20:32:38 2005
From: shubs at sbcglobal.net (SShubs)
Date: Tue Feb  8 20:33:48 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
In-Reply-To: <20050208131649.98582.qmail@web54110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BBEFKABPGJDMIALMEGLPGEDNDPAA.shubs@sbcglobal.net>

I wouldn't be surprised either.

I hope we are not holding our heads in shame, similar to what we should be
about how we talked about Jammal Lord.  Lord deserved better, simply because
he was a good kid who worked hard and did his best.  I suspect Joe Daily is
a similar kid who works hard enough to become the kind of quarterback that
we can all be proud of.  Even better, he may be the kind of young man that
we want our kids to become, regardless of performance on the field.  I don't
want to regret saying things about him that when he leaves UNL, that he is
anxious to get as far from Lincoln as he possibly can get.

I want him to be proud of being a Husker.

Stephen Shubert
Husker in Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
Of j j
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:17 AM
To: Bob Beach; husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Dailey


I seem to recall when Joe was recruited he was
supposed to take over as a freshmen for Jammall Lord.
He was recruited because he could throw the ball and
Cotton was going to open up the offense more. Then
last year it was going to be Jordan Adams or Beau
Davis who we brought in to start at qb. Well Dailey
started and finished the season last year. Everything
that you read on this kid is about how hard he works.
He is either studying the play book, watching film, or
working on his throwing. It wont surprise me at all if
he is the starting qb again this coming season.
--- Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com> wrote:

> Dailey undoubtedly is done
>
>
>
http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/420774249575a
>
>
> Bob Beach
>
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From gwfead at cox.net  Tue Feb  8 21:35:07 2005
From: gwfead at cox.net (Gary Fead)
Date: Tue Feb  8 21:36:29 2005
Subject: [Husker] Disaterous Loss
Message-ID: <002701c50e58$59dd1860$997d0d44@cx868370b>

Good Evening All:

The NU basketball team suffered what will likely be the most damaging loss of the season dropping a 65-60 home game to Iowa State. ISU has now won four straight after starting the conference portion of their schedule 0-5. Additionally ISU has now won two straight road games after losing 28 straight dating back to February of 2001.

Nebraska now goes on the road to face Baylor on Saturday night in Waco (FSN Midwest at 7:00 PM CT, in Nebraska only) before moving on to Norman to take on Oklahoma next Wednesday. Nebraska will return home on the 19th to face Missouri. 

Gary Fead
Omaha
From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Tue Feb  8 21:58:01 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb  8 22:02:01 2005
Subject: [Husker] Iowa State 65, Nebraska 60
Message-ID: <1de.3489e166.2f3ae449@aol.com>

@#$%&* 'n rediculous experience at the Devaney Center tonight!!

Plenty led up to it, but the way tonight's game ended was just ... 
unexplainable.

Nebraska plays a poor game tonight, bud had a chance to win late.  Freshman 
Joe McCray was terrible early in the game and at the start of the second half, 
but he hit a late three and then converted three-of-three from the line with 
56 seconds to go to bring us to within three at 61-58.  Fifty-eight seconds to 
go and we've finally got it back to a one-possession game.  There's a 
20-second differential between the shot-clock and the game-clock, so THERE'S NOOOOO 
NEEEEED TO FOUL !!!!!

But then Nebraska, from some unexplainable reason, decides to foul a 63 
percent free-throw shooter!  It's like ... finally, a one-possession game, but then 
you choose to let the odds be in THEIR favor to make it a two-possession 
game!!??

WHAAAATT is that all about!!???  That's NOT good basketball !!!

Sheesh, I guess I wanted people to be specific in their criticisms so I have 
to be ... Barry's going to be under the gun for that decision.  Because he 
didn't look to upset with Simms for fouling.  And Dourisseau was trying to foul 
before Simms did!!

That was a MAJOR coaching blunder, obviously IN MY OPINION, but a lot of 
coaches would agree with me (if they would be candid).  Just stop theother team 
once and you've got your chance to tie it with a three.  Or hit a field goal and 
THEN foul!!

Ohhhh, man.  NU's season is fast slipping away from them.

Barry pulled McCray and sat him for the large majority of the second half 
against KU ... and then he plays him 40 MINUTES TONIGHT ??!!!!  Doesn't ever sit 
him down!!

That is just too wierd.

McCray turned it over five times in the first eight minutes tonight.  He 
ended up with seven turnovers, five of which were largely all on him.  He finished 
with 26 points but was borderline-scared ... extremely timid and lacking in 
aggressiveness early in the game.  Looked like a kid who sat all of the second 
half against KU and didn't know why.  His confidence wasn't there and his play 
showed it.  

Iowa State is playing a lot better than they were early in conference play.  
Stinson is a great player -- led ISU with 24 points and seven boards.

But Nebraska -- and their season -- looks like it's going the other way ... 
the wrong direction.  It was tough to watch tonight at the Devaney Center.  NU 
flat out played poorly.  They DID hit about 74 percent or so from the line, 
but I'm searching for something good to say.

Dave Norris



From Sklarbodds at cox.net  Tue Feb  8 23:18:34 2005
From: Sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Tue Feb  8 23:19:09 2005
Subject: [personal] [Husker] Osborne:  "Faith in the Game"
In-Reply-To: <20050209022023.16681.qmail@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050209022023.16681.qmail@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1881565531.20050208231834@cox.net>

MJ> Osborne also never promised any player playing time or
MJ> positions, only the opportunity to compete for
MJ> positions.  Several recruits this year, especially the
MJ> JuCo's, gave the indications that they already are
MJ> starters before even enrolling.

I loved your post, but this paragraph bothers me.  Everything I've
read indicates that the coaches never promised playing time.  The only
thing similar to that was "We won't recruit another ________".  In
fact, Beck even mentioned that he was never promised a starting
position and he was looking forward to the added competition (Zac
Taylor).

Some players indicated that THEY believed they would have a chance to
start right away, but that was just deducted from the common sense of
a struggling program and players on the way out.

Maybe I'm mistaken, please send me a URL or something where a player
was promised PT right away and I'll retract this statment, but I
haven't seen it at all.

-- 
Best regards,
 Skylar                            mailto:Sklarbodds@cox.net


From gobigred66 at mac.com  Tue Feb  8 09:37:25 2005
From: gobigred66 at mac.com (Rod Wellman)
Date: Wed Feb  9 08:27:13 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
In-Reply-To: <20050208131649.98582.qmail@web54110.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050208131649.98582.qmail@web54110.mail.yahoo.com>
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A player can really grow from year one of action to year two.  Dailey,  
for all intents and purposes, was a "true freshman" last year.  Most of  
my Husker friends and relatives around me say that Dailey is terrible  
and that he won't see any action next year.  I tell them he had a lot  
thrown at him, showed some flashes of talent and I love his attitude.   
He's a trooper and he's studying and working hard.  Whether his  
physical abilities are there for this level of passing offense, we'll  
find out (I'm a bit nervous about his overall accuracy).  But I could  
see improvement in the mental part of the game as the year went on and  
I think that if his physical abilities are there, he will still be in  
the picture.  To dismiss him completely at this stage of the game has  
less to do with objective analysis than it does with emotion.  A  
comment like "Dailey is undoubtedly done" is pure speculation,  
frivolous and gives him less credit that he has earned as a starting  
QB.


Rod Wellman


On Feb 8, 2005, at 7:16 AM, j j wrote:

> I seem to recall when Joe was recruited he was
> supposed to take over as a freshmen for Jammall Lord.
> He was recruited because he could throw the ball and
> Cotton was going to open up the offense more. Then
> last year it was going to be Jordan Adams or Beau
> Davis who we brought in to start at qb. Well Dailey
> started and finished the season last year. Everything
> that you read on this kid is about how hard he works.
> He is either studying the play book, watching film, or
> working on his throwing. It wont surprise me at all if
> he is the starting qb again this coming season.
> --- Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com> wrote:
>
>> Dailey undoubtedly is done
>>
>>
>>
> http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/ 
> 420774249575a
>>
>>
>> Bob Beach
>>
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From husker at communicomm.com  Tue Feb  8 21:07:39 2005
From: husker at communicomm.com (Mike and Kelly Petersen)
Date: Wed Feb  9 08:27:14 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
References: <BBEFKABPGJDMIALMEGLPGEDNDPAA.shubs@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c50e54$85bb1800$26148f18@husker>

Absolutely. I remember alot of people giving up on Scott Frost and booing
him clear into the start of his senior season. He turned out pretty good.

I hope Joe Daily doesn't listen to all the hype about how he is done.... but
it would be hard not to.

I'm betting he improves alot over the off season.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: SShubs <shubs@sbcglobal.net>
To: j j <jjj112665@yahoo.com>; Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com>;
<husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Husker] Dailey


> I wouldn't be surprised either.
>
> I hope we are not holding our heads in shame, similar to what we should be
> about how we talked about Jammal Lord.  Lord deserved better, simply
because
> he was a good kid who worked hard and did his best.  I suspect Joe Daily
is
> a similar kid who works hard enough to become the kind of quarterback that
> we can all be proud of.  Even better, he may be the kind of young man that
> we want our kids to become, regardless of performance on the field.  I
don't
> want to regret saying things about him that when he leaves UNL, that he is
> anxious to get as far from Lincoln as he possibly can get.
>
> I want him to be proud of being a Husker.
>
> Stephen Shubert
> Husker in Michigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
> Of j j
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:17 AM
> To: Bob Beach; husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Dailey
>
>
> I seem to recall when Joe was recruited he was
> supposed to take over as a freshmen for Jammall Lord.
> He was recruited because he could throw the ball and
> Cotton was going to open up the offense more. Then
> last year it was going to be Jordan Adams or Beau
> Davis who we brought in to start at qb. Well Dailey
> started and finished the season last year. Everything
> that you read on this kid is about how hard he works.
> He is either studying the play book, watching film, or
> working on his throwing. It wont surprise me at all if
> he is the starting qb again this coming season.
> --- Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com> wrote:
>
> > Dailey undoubtedly is done
> >
> >
> >
>
http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/420774249575a
> >
> >
> > Bob Beach
> >
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From Dave.Fricke at mts.com  Wed Feb  9 07:35:47 2005
From: Dave.Fricke at mts.com (Fricke, Dave)
Date: Wed Feb  9 08:27:14 2005
Subject: [Husker] RE:  Osborne: "Faith in the Game"
Message-ID: <2D839CDF0E4625449031C619464E2867033D5CF0@epmail02.mts.com>

Mike - I think you are right that something has been lost from the Husker
football program, but I think that something is in fact Tom Osborne.
Despite our desire to see in Solich and the rest of the old staff a
continuation of TO's legacy, that was never going to be a reality.  I
believe the characteristics you (and I) recognized and valued from that era
were built specifically on TO's character, values, and personality.
 
With Osborne's retirement, the character of the program was bound to begin
to change.  All we can do is to hope (demand?) that the evolving character
of the program adhere to the highest standards.  Then watch and wait to see
what eventually defines the "character" of the Callahan program.  We may
have to look back on this from several years down the road to actually
quantify this, however.  
 
Dave Fricke
From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Wed Feb  9 09:01:28 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Wed Feb  9 09:02:19 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
Message-ID: <E9F6BAC191B8744D86881015D1C5FFD94F895F@mailsrvr.omahasteaks.com>

I completely agree and would like to add that there were times last
season where the game plan was, IMHO, horrible. It was very apparent
when we ran the offense we ran against OU that should have been used the
week before against ISU. Especially when Ross had 77 yards on seven
carries. Instead we have Joe chucking it up way to many times. I also
want to know what happened to the slant pass. This seemed to be the pass
route that Dailey was hitting more than not. It just disappeared and for
no apparent reason. Now I will go ahead and chalk some of this up to
Callahan and Dailey getting on the same page. Finally, I do think Dailey
being yanked in the T Tech game did more harm than good for his psyche.
IMHO, I thought he made great strides in that game. He was getting rid
of the ball when he needed to or tossing it out of bounds. He did have
the one pick but that was more of a phenomenal effort on the d-ends part
than what Dailey did. I know Callahan said he was looking for a spark
but I'm sure Dailey was despondent by being pulled. I believe that set
Dailey back a couple of games. Hopefully, with another spring and summer
to get the playbook down and to get even more familiar with current O
players and getting to know the new ones, Joe will succeed. 

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Rod Wellman
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:37 AM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Dailey

A player can really grow from year one of action to year two.  Dailey,  
for all intents and purposes, was a "true freshman" last year.  Most of

my Husker friends and relatives around me say that Dailey is terrible  
and that he won't see any action next year.  I tell them he had a lot  
thrown at him, showed some flashes of talent and I love his attitude.   
He's a trooper and he's studying and working hard.  Whether his  
physical abilities are there for this level of passing offense, we'll  
find out (I'm a bit nervous about his overall accuracy).  But I could  
see improvement in the mental part of the game as the year went on and  
I think that if his physical abilities are there, he will still be in  
the picture.  To dismiss him completely at this stage of the game has  
less to do with objective analysis than it does with emotion.  A  
comment like "Dailey is undoubtedly done" is pure speculation,  
frivolous and gives him less credit that he has earned as a starting  
QB.


Rod Wellman


On Feb 8, 2005, at 7:16 AM, j j wrote:

> I seem to recall when Joe was recruited he was
> supposed to take over as a freshmen for Jammall Lord.
> He was recruited because he could throw the ball and
> Cotton was going to open up the offense more. Then
> last year it was going to be Jordan Adams or Beau
> Davis who we brought in to start at qb. Well Dailey
> started and finished the season last year. Everything
> that you read on this kid is about how hard he works.
> He is either studying the play book, watching film, or
> working on his throwing. It wont surprise me at all if
> he is the starting qb again this coming season.
> --- Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com> wrote:
>
>> Dailey undoubtedly is done
>>
>>
>>
> http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/ 
> 420774249575a
>>
>>
>> Bob Beach
>>
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From strongtodd at msn.com  Wed Feb  9 09:21:43 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Wed Feb  9 09:22:40 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
References: <BBEFKABPGJDMIALMEGLPGEDNDPAA.shubs@sbcglobal.net>
	<000a01c50e54$85bb1800$26148f18@husker>
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Joe Dailey is no Scott Frost.
I am not ready to give up on  Dailey yet. But.........the next time he 
scrambles for a first down and runs out of bounds a yard or less short of 
the mark, especially on a potentially game winning drive. Stick a fork in 
him I say.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike and Kelly Petersen" <husker@communicomm.com>
To: "SShubs" <shubs@sbcglobal.net>; <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Dailey


> Absolutely. I remember alot of people giving up on Scott Frost and booing
> him clear into the start of his senior season. He turned out pretty good.
>
> I hope Joe Daily doesn't listen to all the hype about how he is done.... 
> but
> it would be hard not to.
>
> I'm betting he improves alot over the off season.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: SShubs <shubs@sbcglobal.net>
> To: j j <jjj112665@yahoo.com>; Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com>;
> <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [Husker] Dailey
>
>
>> I wouldn't be surprised either.
>>
>> I hope we are not holding our heads in shame, similar to what we should 
>> be
>> about how we talked about Jammal Lord.  Lord deserved better, simply
> because
>> he was a good kid who worked hard and did his best.  I suspect Joe Daily
> is
>> a similar kid who works hard enough to become the kind of quarterback 
>> that
>> we can all be proud of.  Even better, he may be the kind of young man 
>> that
>> we want our kids to become, regardless of performance on the field.  I
> don't
>> want to regret saying things about him that when he leaves UNL, that he 
>> is
>> anxious to get as far from Lincoln as he possibly can get.
>>
>> I want him to be proud of being a Husker.
>>
>> Stephen Shubert
>> Husker in Michigan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
>> Of j j
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:17 AM
>> To: Bob Beach; husker@tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [Husker] Dailey
>>
>>
>> I seem to recall when Joe was recruited he was
>> supposed to take over as a freshmen for Jammall Lord.
>> He was recruited because he could throw the ball and
>> Cotton was going to open up the offense more. Then
>> last year it was going to be Jordan Adams or Beau
>> Davis who we brought in to start at qb. Well Dailey
>> started and finished the season last year. Everything
>> that you read on this kid is about how hard he works.
>> He is either studying the play book, watching film, or
>> working on his throwing. It wont surprise me at all if
>> he is the starting qb again this coming season.
>> --- Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dailey undoubtedly is done
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/420774249575a
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob Beach
>> >
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From reich at inetnebr.com  Wed Feb  9 10:12:57 2005
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Wed Feb  9 10:16:58 2005
Subject: [Husker] Iowa State 65, Nebraska 60
Message-ID: <200502091612.KAA19177@stork.inebraska.com>

It was a critical loss for the Huskers.  I too did not understand why
NU fouled when trailing by 3.  I believe that NU is a much better
basketball team to watch than were Nee's Huskers --- better effort,
better team play, etc. --- but they seem to not be able to get over
the hump in important games.  It is still possible that NU could get
to 8-8, but after last night that seems unlikely.  At some point, NU
needs to be able to finish with a winning record in the conference to
validate the steady improvements that I believe Collier has made. I
think even a patient attitude would be at most two more seasons after
this one for Collier to have a team with a winning conference record
or look at making a change in the coaching staff.

> From: NUStLNorris@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:58:01 EST
> Subject: [Husker] Iowa State 65, Nebraska 60
> 
> @#$%&* 'n rediculous experience at the Devaney Center tonight!!
> 
> Plenty led up to it, but the way tonight's game ended was just ... 
> unexplainable.
> 
> Nebraska plays a poor game tonight, bud had a chance to win late.  Freshman 
> Joe McCray was terrible early in the game and at the start of the second half, 
> but he hit a late three and then converted three-of-three from the line with 
> 56 seconds to go to bring us to within three at 61-58.  Fifty-eight seconds to 
> go and we've finally got it back to a one-possession game.  There's a 
> 20-second differential between the shot-clock and the game-clock, so THERE'S NOOOOO 
> NEEEEED TO FOUL !!!!!
> 
> But then Nebraska, from some unexplainable reason, decides to foul a 63 
> percent free-throw shooter!  It's like ... finally, a one-possession game, but then 
> you choose to let the odds be in THEIR favor to make it a two-possession 
> game!!??
> 
> WHAAAATT is that all about!!???  That's NOT good basketball !!!
> 
> Sheesh, I guess I wanted people to be specific in their criticisms so I have 
> to be ... Barry's going to be under the gun for that decision.  Because he 
> didn't look to upset with Simms for fouling.  And Dourisseau was trying to foul 
> before Simms did!!
> 
> That was a MAJOR coaching blunder, obviously IN MY OPINION, but a lot of 
> coaches would agree with me (if they would be candid).  Just stop theother team 
> once and you've got your chance to tie it with a three.  Or hit a field goal and 
> THEN foul!!
> 
> Ohhhh, man.  NU's season is fast slipping away from them.
> 
> Barry pulled McCray and sat him for the large majority of the second half 
> against KU ... and then he plays him 40 MINUTES TONIGHT ??!!!!  Doesn't ever sit 
> him down!!
> 
> That is just too wierd.
> 
> McCray turned it over five times in the first eight minutes tonight.  He 
> ended up with seven turnovers, five of which were largely all on him.  He finished 
> with 26 points but was borderline-scared ... extremely timid and lacking in 
> aggressiveness early in the game.  Looked like a kid who sat all of the second 
> half against KU and didn't know why.  His confidence wasn't there and his play 
> showed it.  
> 
> Iowa State is playing a lot better than they were early in conference play.  
> Stinson is a great player -- led ISU with 24 points and seven boards.
> 
> But Nebraska -- and their season -- looks like it's going the other way ... 
> the wrong direction.  It was tough to watch tonight at the Devaney Center.  NU 
> flat out played poorly.  They DID hit about 74 percent or so from the line, 
> but I'm searching for something good to say.
> 
> Dave Norris
> 
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From reich at inetnebr.com  Wed Feb  9 10:27:20 2005
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Wed Feb  9 10:31:26 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
Message-ID: <200502091627.KAA20467@stork.inebraska.com>

I agree that Dailey did improve, even if not as fast as we'd like or
he'd like.  I think that at least a couple of the late season losses
(Colorado and Iowa State) were the principally the result of coaching
mistakes, but many fans tend to blame the quarterback for a team
losing.  NU's record last year had more to do with the defense and
coaching than Dailey.  It seems funny to me that many of the same
people who think Callahan should get 4-5 years to get things going
aren't willing to give Dailey even a full season before writing him
off.  The terrible attitude of many NU fans about Dailey is the same
terrible attitude that they demonstrated toward Jamal Lord.  I used to
think more highly of NU fans than I do after the last three years.

> From: Rod Wellman <gobigred66@mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Dailey
> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:37:25 -0600
> 
> A player can really grow from year one of action to year two.  Dailey,  
> for all intents and purposes, was a "true freshman" last year.  Most of  
> my Husker friends and relatives around me say that Dailey is terrible  
> and that he won't see any action next year.  I tell them he had a lot  
> thrown at him, showed some flashes of talent and I love his attitude.   
> He's a trooper and he's studying and working hard.  Whether his  
> physical abilities are there for this level of passing offense, we'll  
> find out (I'm a bit nervous about his overall accuracy).  But I could  
> see improvement in the mental part of the game as the year went on and  
> I think that if his physical abilities are there, he will still be in  
> the picture.  To dismiss him completely at this stage of the game has  
> less to do with objective analysis than it does with emotion.  A  
> comment like "Dailey is undoubtedly done" is pure speculation,  
> frivolous and gives him less credit that he has earned as a starting  
> QB.
> 
> 
> Rod Wellman
> 
> 
> On Feb 8, 2005, at 7:16 AM, j j wrote:
> 
> > I seem to recall when Joe was recruited he was
> > supposed to take over as a freshmen for Jammall Lord.
> > He was recruited because he could throw the ball and
> > Cotton was going to open up the offense more. Then
> > last year it was going to be Jordan Adams or Beau
> > Davis who we brought in to start at qb. Well Dailey
> > started and finished the season last year. Everything
> > that you read on this kid is about how hard he works.
> > He is either studying the play book, watching film, or
> > working on his throwing. It wont surprise me at all if
> > he is the starting qb again this coming season.
> > --- Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dailey undoubtedly is done
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/ 
> > 420774249575a
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob Beach
> >>
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From fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  9 13:43:55 2005
From: fancherr_2000 at yahoo.com (Bob Fancher)
Date: Wed Feb  9 13:45:07 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
In-Reply-To: <54BEBDA0-79E7-11D9-BBBA-000393DB9D8A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20050209194355.55924.qmail@web20927.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Rod Wellman <gobigred66@mac.com> wrote:
> A player can really grow from year one of action to
> year two.  Dailey,  
> for all intents and purposes, was a "true freshman"
> last year.  Most of  
> my Husker friends and relatives around me say that
> Dailey is terrible  
> and that he won't see any action next year.  I tell
> them he had a lot  
> thrown at him, showed some flashes of talent and I
> love his attitude.   

I agree. He'll be back. And we'll be lucky if there is
an even better QB to replace him, because I think
He'll be vastly improved. He will probably And as far
as him being afraid to take a hit, I think he was
probably told to do that by the coaches, since the
cupboard was probably fairly bare besides him.

And a large number of the Ints can be attributed to
the receivers or just plain awesome defensive plays.




		
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From strongtodd at msn.com  Wed Feb  9 14:01:47 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Wed Feb  9 14:02:36 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
References: <20050209194355.55924.qmail@web20927.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV2350DF3A0258376732A11ACD750@phx.gbl>

I realize Dailey was told to "slide" and not take any direct hits. However, 
when the games on the line you gotta go for it. That competitor inside has 
to take over sometime, no matter what the coach says.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Fancher" <fancherr_2000@yahoo.com>
To: "Rod Wellman" <gobigred66@mac.com>; <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Dailey


> --- Rod Wellman <gobigred66@mac.com> wrote:
>> A player can really grow from year one of action to
>> year two.  Dailey,
>> for all intents and purposes, was a "true freshman"
>> last year.  Most of
>> my Husker friends and relatives around me say that
>> Dailey is terrible
>> and that he won't see any action next year.  I tell
>> them he had a lot
>> thrown at him, showed some flashes of talent and I
>> love his attitude.
>
> I agree. He'll be back. And we'll be lucky if there is
> an even better QB to replace him, because I think
> He'll be vastly improved. He will probably And as far
> as him being afraid to take a hit, I think he was
> probably told to do that by the coaches, since the
> cupboard was probably fairly bare besides him.
>
> And a large number of the Ints can be attributed to
> the receivers or just plain awesome defensive plays.
>
>
>
>
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From dkarre at comcast.net  Wed Feb  9 14:10:14 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Wed Feb  9 14:06:31 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
References: <BBEFKABPGJDMIALMEGLPGEDNDPAA.shubs@sbcglobal.net><000a01c50e54$85bb1800$26148f18@husker>
	<BAY4-DAV16B4C3998AAA8BA8B1569ECD750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007301c50ee3$5eaba740$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

I suspect Dailey was instructed to avoid taking hits whenever possible. With
some backup this coming season (and assuming Dailey is the starter), I think
you will see him go for the stick.
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "todd strong" <strongtodd@msn.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Dailey


> Joe Dailey is no Scott Frost.
> I am not ready to give up on  Dailey yet. But.........the next time he
> scrambles for a first down and runs out of bounds a yard or less short of
> the mark, especially on a potentially game winning drive. Stick a fork in
> him I say.
>
> "Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike and Kelly Petersen" <husker@communicomm.com>
> To: "SShubs" <shubs@sbcglobal.net>; <husker@tssi.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Dailey
>
>
> > Absolutely. I remember alot of people giving up on Scott Frost and
booing
> > him clear into the start of his senior season. He turned out pretty
good.
> >
> > I hope Joe Daily doesn't listen to all the hype about how he is done....
> > but
> > it would be hard not to.
> >
> > I'm betting he improves alot over the off season.
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: SShubs <shubs@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: j j <jjj112665@yahoo.com>; Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com>;
> > <husker@tssi.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:32 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Husker] Dailey
> >
> >
> >> I wouldn't be surprised either.
> >>
> >> I hope we are not holding our heads in shame, similar to what we should
> >> be
> >> about how we talked about Jammal Lord.  Lord deserved better, simply
> > because
> >> he was a good kid who worked hard and did his best.  I suspect Joe
Daily
> > is
> >> a similar kid who works hard enough to become the kind of quarterback
> >> that
> >> we can all be proud of.  Even better, he may be the kind of young man
> >> that
> >> we want our kids to become, regardless of performance on the field.  I
> > don't
> >> want to regret saying things about him that when he leaves UNL, that he
> >> is
> >> anxious to get as far from Lincoln as he possibly can get.
> >>
> >> I want him to be proud of being a Husker.
> >>
> >> Stephen Shubert
> >> Husker in Michigan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
> >> Of j j
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:17 AM
> >> To: Bob Beach; husker@tssi.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Husker] Dailey
> >>
> >>
> >> I seem to recall when Joe was recruited he was
> >> supposed to take over as a freshmen for Jammall Lord.
> >> He was recruited because he could throw the ball and
> >> Cotton was going to open up the offense more. Then
> >> last year it was going to be Jordan Adams or Beau
> >> Davis who we brought in to start at qb. Well Dailey
> >> started and finished the season last year. Everything
> >> that you read on this kid is about how hard he works.
> >> He is either studying the play book, watching film, or
> >> working on his throwing. It wont surprise me at all if
> >> he is the starting qb again this coming season.
> >> --- Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dailey undoubtedly is done
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/420774249575a
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Bob Beach
> >> >
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From huskertt at charter.net  Wed Feb  9 14:34:23 2005
From: huskertt at charter.net (Tommy Thompson)
Date: Wed Feb  9 14:35:15 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
References: <E9F6BAC191B8744D86881015D1C5FFD94F895F@mailsrvr.omahasteaks.com>
Message-ID: <027d01c50ee6$c2052070$6401a8c0@Husker>

I don't know if it was necessarily bad play calling, poor execution, or 
great defense that hurt the offense last season.  It's easy to say "they 
should have called this or that", but none of us knows what information 
Callahan or Dailey had in those games (e.g. ISU , OU).  It is very possible 
that Callahan wanted to run a different game plan, but either the players 
weren't executing properly or the defensive schemes were such that the 
Huskers had to run something different.  Another possibility is that the 
defenses were disguised well enough to mess up any audibles or hot reads 
that Dailey might have had.  I suspect the slant patterns were taken away 
from the Huskers by cornerbacks playing the inside or maybe coaches and/or 
Dailey were afraid he wouldn't be able to throw over the linemen.

At any rate, last year is over.  I'm looking forward to a new season...one 
with a great showing by our Huskers.

Tommy Thompson
"GO BIG RED...RETURN TO GLORY"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean McGrath" <SeanM@omahasteaks.com>
To: "Rod Wellman" <gobigred66@mac.com>; <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: [Husker] Dailey


>I completely agree and would like to add that there were times last
> season where the game plan was, IMHO, horrible. It was very apparent
> when we ran the offense we ran against OU that should have been used the
> week before against ISU. Especially when Ross had 77 yards on seven
> carries. Instead we have Joe chucking it up way to many times. I also
> want to know what happened to the slant pass. This seemed to be the pass
> route that Dailey was hitting more than not. It just disappeared and for
> no apparent reason. Now I will go ahead and chalk some of this up to
> Callahan and Dailey getting on the same page. Finally, I do think Dailey
> being yanked in the T Tech game did more harm than good for his psyche.
> IMHO, I thought he made great strides in that game. He was getting rid
> of the ball when he needed to or tossing it out of bounds. He did have
> the one pick but that was more of a phenomenal effort on the d-ends part
> than what Dailey did. I know Callahan said he was looking for a spark
> but I'm sure Dailey was despondent by being pulled. I believe that set
> Dailey back a couple of games. Hopefully, with another spring and summer
> to get the playbook down and to get even more familiar with current O
> players and getting to know the new ones, Joe will succeed.
>
> Sean
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
> Of Rod Wellman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:37 AM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Dailey
>
> A player can really grow from year one of action to year two.  Dailey,
> for all intents and purposes, was a "true freshman" last year.  Most of
>
> my Husker friends and relatives around me say that Dailey is terrible
> and that he won't see any action next year.  I tell them he had a lot
> thrown at him, showed some flashes of talent and I love his attitude.
> He's a trooper and he's studying and working hard.  Whether his
> physical abilities are there for this level of passing offense, we'll
> find out (I'm a bit nervous about his overall accuracy).  But I could
> see improvement in the mental part of the game as the year went on and
> I think that if his physical abilities are there, he will still be in
> the picture.  To dismiss him completely at this stage of the game has
> less to do with objective analysis than it does with emotion.  A
> comment like "Dailey is undoubtedly done" is pure speculation,
> frivolous and gives him less credit that he has earned as a starting
> QB.
>
>
> Rod Wellman
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2005, at 7:16 AM, j j wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall when Joe was recruited he was
>> supposed to take over as a freshmen for Jammall Lord.
>> He was recruited because he could throw the ball and
>> Cotton was going to open up the offense more. Then
>> last year it was going to be Jordan Adams or Beau
>> Davis who we brought in to start at qb. Well Dailey
>> started and finished the season last year. Everything
>> that you read on this kid is about how hard he works.
>> He is either studying the play book, watching film, or
>> working on his throwing. It wont surprise me at all if
>> he is the starting qb again this coming season.
>> --- Bob Beach <rrbeach@rrbeach.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dailey undoubtedly is done
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/02/07/
>> 420774249575a
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Beach
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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From gwfead at cox.net  Wed Feb  9 18:48:40 2005
From: gwfead at cox.net (Gary Fead)
Date: Wed Feb  9 18:46:37 2005
Subject: [Husker] Fricke to KLZ
Message-ID: <000801c50f0a$43bf3060$997d0d44@cx868370b>

Good Evening All:

John Fricke (an NU alum and fan) who previously hosted an afternoon drive sports talk show in San Diego (XTRA & XPRS) and was host of Fox Sports Net West 10 PM (PT) Sports Show on TV in Los Angeles (and all of Southern California) has been hired to host the afternoon drive slot at KLZ (560 AM) in Denver. John has no problem showing his Husker allegiance so it will be interesting to see how he plays in Denver against the anti-Husker media there. 

Gary Fead
Omaha
From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Wed Feb  9 20:11:12 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb  9 20:15:17 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Fricke to KLZ
Message-ID: <e6.63265e81.2f3c1cc0@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/9/05 6:50:10 PM Central Standard Time, gwfead@cox.net 
writes:


> John Fricke (an NU alum and fan) who previously hosted an afternoon drive 
> sports talk show in San Diego (XTRA & XPRS) and was host of Fox Sports Net 
> West 10 PM (PT) Sports Show on TV in Los Angeles (and all of Southern 
> California) has been hired to host the afternoon drive slot at KLZ (560 AM) in Denver. 
> John has no problem showing his Husker allegiance so it will be interesting 
> to see how he plays in Denver against the anti-Husker media there. 

I'm trying to picture who this is ... and I could be way, way off base here, 
but did he ever host a CNN Sports Tonight, or whatever they called it, along 
with either Nick Charles or Vince Celini, back about five to seven years ago 
when CNN offered up more sports news programming?
From skers1 at kc.rr.com  Wed Feb  9 20:45:21 2005
From: skers1 at kc.rr.com (Douglas W. Jolkowski)
Date: Wed Feb  9 20:46:00 2005
Subject: [Husker] Fricke to KLZ
References: <e6.63265e81.2f3c1cc0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <021901c50f1a$9033d710$45964c45@youro0kwkw9jwc>

 I'm trying to picture who this is ... and I could be way, way off base 
here,
 but did he ever host a CNN Sports Tonight, or whatever they called it, 
along
 with either Nick Charles or Vince Celini, back about five to seven years 
ago
 when CNN offered up more sports news programming?

Fricke was an original member of CNN in 1980 and spent 10 years in Atlanta 
as a sports anchor, producer and announcer.




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From gwfead at cox.net  Thu Feb 10 15:19:43 2005
From: gwfead at cox.net (gwfead@cox.net)
Date: Thu Feb 10 15:20:34 2005
Subject: [Husker] Copyright Violations (This is a rant, Sorry)
Message-ID: <20050210211944.QFKA17924.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Good Afternoon All:

This issue has arisen before on this list and Mike has commented and warned people about Copyright violations.  

Last night I posted information to this list regarding John Fricke being hired by KLZ in Denver as their afternoon drive sports talker (John is a big NU fan). 

Anyway as I was skimming through the "Huskerpedia" site this afternoon lo and behold the message I posted last night to this list was posted verbatim to their message board at 10:23 PM (2/9) by someone with a screen name of "Skers1". I do not know who this person is but my guess is they must subscribe to this list or read a digest or newsgroup version of this service. 

I've said this before regarding material that I post to this list and this will be the final time I say it. Any material posted to this list by myself (or anyone for that matter) is copyrighted and lifting that material is illegal.

I am not an attorney nor will I hire one to go after this person but I will stop posting information here if this does not stop. The information I post here is for the exclusive benefit of the members of this list and it is not to be cross posted to other message boards. At least the purported author on "Huskerpedia" could have rewritten the information rather than "lift" my entire post. 

Sorry for the rant, I'll crawl off the soapbox now-

Gary Fead
Omaha  

From marklandin at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 15:31:44 2005
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Thu Feb 10 15:33:18 2005
Subject: [Husker] Copyright Violations (This is a rant, Sorry)
In-Reply-To: <20050210211944.QFKA17924.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
References: <20050210211944.QFKA17924.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <16ee270e050210133126e4dc8f@mail.gmail.com>

> Last night I posted information to this list regarding John Fricke being hired by KLZ in Denver as their afternoon drive sports talker (John is a big NU fan).
> 
> Anyway as I was skimming through the "Huskerpedia" site this afternoon lo and behold the message I posted last night to this list was posted verbatim to their message board at 10:23 PM (2/9) by someone with a screen name of "Skers1". I do not know who this person is but my guess is they must subscribe to this list or read a digest or newsgroup version of this service.


Gary,

I know the Huskerpedia managers consider any copyright violations to
be serious. They are especially sensitive to people posting materials
available only on "premium" websites on their pages before that
material is freely available to the public, but your case should be no
different in principle.

You may wish to contact them as well, to let them know that their
copyrighted material was published without your consent on their
website. They may contact Skers1 and warn them of their impropriety as
well.

From sscornelius at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 18:03:44 2005
From: sscornelius at gmail.com (Steve Cornelius)
Date: Thu Feb 10 18:05:31 2005
Subject: [Husker] Turner Gill hired by the Packers
Message-ID: <3e3d5a905021016037ddf13c7@mail.gmail.com>

Gill will be an offensive assistant and director of player development.

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2005/02/10/huskerextra/doc420bf1c1d75b2956957127.txt
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From kmckillip at houston.rr.com  Thu Feb 10 18:49:35 2005
From: kmckillip at houston.rr.com (Kenneth McKillip)
Date: Thu Feb 10 18:50:09 2005
Subject: Fw: [Husker] RE:  Osborne: "Faith in the Game"
Message-ID: <00a501c50fd3$8f2a7e50$0201a8c0@useruqy2v59qeu>

Dave Fricke wrote:
> continuation of TO's legacy, that was never going to be a reality.  I

You sound like the guys in the '70's that thought TO was never going to 
measure up to the BobFather.

The only thing we KNOW in all this is that we were 5-6 last year.

Kirk McKillip

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fricke, Dave" <Dave.Fricke@mts.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:35 AM
Subject: [Husker] RE: Osborne: "Faith in the Game"


> Mike - I think you are right that something has been lost from the Husker
> football program, but I think that something is in fact Tom Osborne.
> Despite our desire to see in Solich and the rest of the old staff a
> continuation of TO's legacy, that was never going to be a reality.  I
> believe the characteristics you (and I) recognized and valued from that 
> era
> were built specifically on TO's character, values, and personality.
>
> With Osborne's retirement, the character of the program was bound to begin
> to change.  All we can do is to hope (demand?) that the evolving character
> of the program adhere to the highest standards.  Then watch and wait to 
> see
> what eventually defines the "character" of the Callahan program.  We may
> have to look back on this from several years down the road to actually
> quantify this, however.
>
> Dave Fricke
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From balfour at NOSPAMgrandecom.net  Thu Feb 10 21:05:32 2005
From: balfour at NOSPAMgrandecom.net (T.B.)
Date: Thu Feb 10 21:04:35 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: Copyright Violations (This is a rant, Sorry)
References: <20050210211944.QFKA17924.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Message-ID: <110o82k8pjuojbb@corp.supernews.com>

if they are both husker lists and the other poster had no intent other than
to distribute the information to other interested Husker fans, how is that a
problem.  Regardless if there is a copyright law there that is being messed
with, I don't see how it affects you one way or the other.  You are posting
to husker info to a husker list and another husker fan wanted other husker
fans to see it.  Not disagreeing with your right to be upset, but why does
that bother you?  just wondering.

TB in Austin

<gwfead@cox.net> wrote in message
news:20050210211944.QFKA17924.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net...
>
> Good Afternoon All:
>
> This issue has arisen before on this list and Mike has commented and
warned people about Copyright violations.
>
> Last night I posted information to this list regarding John Fricke being
hired by KLZ in Denver as their afternoon drive sports talker (John is a big
NU fan).
>
> Anyway as I was skimming through the "Huskerpedia" site this afternoon lo
and behold the message I posted last night to this list was posted verbatim
to their message board at 10:23 PM (2/9) by someone with a screen name of
"Skers1". I do not know who this person is but my guess is they must
subscribe to this list or read a digest or newsgroup version of this
service.
>
> I've said this before regarding material that I post to this list and this
will be the final time I say it. Any material posted to this list by myself
(or anyone for that matter) is copyrighted and lifting that material is
illegal.
>
> I am not an attorney nor will I hire one to go after this person but I
will stop posting information here if this does not stop. The information I
post here is for the exclusive benefit of the members of this list and it is
not to be cross posted to other message boards. At least the purported
author on "Huskerpedia" could have rewritten the information rather than
"lift" my entire post.
>
> Sorry for the rant, I'll crawl off the soapbox now-
>
> Gary Fead
> Omaha
>
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From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Thu Feb 10 21:12:11 2005
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott Lawson)
Date: Thu Feb 10 21:12:49 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: Copyright Violations (This is a rant, Sorry)
Message-ID: <606EB32565100B4DB32CB3423FACD310025A84FF@email2.albany.edu>

TB-
I think Gary made it quite clear that any info posted here is copyrighted
and illegal to reproduce. I for one was not aware of this, but I believe he
mentioned that in his initial post.

Scott in NY


-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
Of T.B.
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:06 PM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] Re: Copyright Violations (This is a rant, Sorry)


if they are both husker lists and the other poster had no intent other than
to distribute the information to other interested Husker fans, how is that a
problem.  Regardless if there is a copyright law there that is being messed
with, I don't see how it affects you one way or the other.  You are posting
to husker info to a husker list and another husker fan wanted other husker
fans to see it.  Not disagreeing with your right to be upset, but why does
that bother you?  just wondering.

TB in Austin

<gwfead@cox.net> wrote in message
news:20050210211944.QFKA17924.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net...
>
> Good Afternoon All:
>
> This issue has arisen before on this list and Mike has commented and
warned people about Copyright violations.
>
> Last night I posted information to this list regarding John Fricke being
hired by KLZ in Denver as their afternoon drive sports talker (John is a big
NU fan).
>
> Anyway as I was skimming through the "Huskerpedia" site this afternoon lo
and behold the message I posted last night to this list was posted verbatim
to their message board at 10:23 PM (2/9) by someone with a screen name of
"Skers1". I do not know who this person is but my guess is they must
subscribe to this list or read a digest or newsgroup version of this
service.
>
> I've said this before regarding material that I post to this list and this
will be the final time I say it. Any material posted to this list by myself
(or anyone for that matter) is copyrighted and lifting that material is
illegal.
>
> I am not an attorney nor will I hire one to go after this person but I
will stop posting information here if this does not stop. The information I
post here is for the exclusive benefit of the members of this list and it is
not to be cross posted to other message boards. At least the purported
author on "Huskerpedia" could have rewritten the information rather than
"lift" my entire post.
>
> Sorry for the rant, I'll crawl off the soapbox now-
>
> Gary Fead
> Omaha
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>


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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Feb 10 21:14:22 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Feb 10 21:14:26 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: Copyright Violations (This is a rant, Sorry) (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502110314.j1B3EMKl019892@romaine.tssi.com>

> if they are both husker lists and the other poster had no intent other than
> to distribute the information to other interested Husker fans, how is that a
> problem.  Regardless if there is a copyright law there that is being messed
> with, I don't see how it affects you one way or the other.  You are posting
> to husker info to a husker list and another husker fan wanted other husker
> fans to see it.  Not disagreeing with your right to be upset, but why does
> that bother you?  just wondering.

I'm fussier than most online forums about copyrights for a variety of
reasons, some of them personal.  

Copyright is about many things, including proper attribution.  Someone
posted Gary's comments AS THEIR OWN WRITING.  That's plagiarism, which 
would get someone thrown out of many colleges these days and has gotten
more than a few reporters fired.  

But mostly it is about controlling WHEN and WHERE something is reproduced.

Gary has a RIGHT to control where his writing is reproduced, even if
online forums can make that challenging to monitor and nearly impossible to 
enforce except by the honor system.

I appreciate Gary's posts, and whoever did this owes him (and me) an apology.  
--
Mike Nolan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Feb 10 21:32:07 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Feb 10 21:32:10 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: Copyright Violations (This is a rant, Sorry) (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502110332.j1B3W718019990@romaine.tssi.com>

> I think Gary made it quite clear that any info posted here is copyrighted
> and illegal to reproduce. I for one was not aware of this, but I believe he
> mentioned that in his initial post.

This is one of those completely misunderstood concepts. 

Copyright has nothing to do with where something is published, or even 
if copyright is asserted.  

Under international law the author of something copyrightable (and posts
to the Husker List meet the definition of an 'intellectual act') has 
a copyright from the moment it is fixed in some tangible or reproducible 
form, whether it is indicated as being copyrighed or not.

That's true for EVERYBODY'S posts here, though within the context of
furthering a discussion quoting someone else's material is a form of
fair use.  (That's not all that is covered under fair use, but that's
a different thread.) 

Reproducing anyone's post from the Husker List somewhere else without 
permission of the author is a form of copyright violation, just as posting 
something here that you found somewhere else without permission of the
author is a copyright violation.

Class dismissed.
--
Mike Nolan

From gwfead at cox.net  Thu Feb 10 21:43:08 2005
From: gwfead at cox.net (Gary Fead)
Date: Thu Feb 10 21:44:22 2005
Subject: [Husker] Response to TB in Austin & Copyright Violations
Message-ID: <003e01c50feb$cd84a280$997d0d44@cx868370b>

Greetings All:

Well I attempted to respond directly to TB in Austin's question but the mail I've attempted to send him keeps bouncing back to me, so I'll answer it here. 

TB in Austin wrote the following:

"if they are both husker lists and the other poster had no intent other than
to distribute the information to other interested Husker fans, how is that a
problem.  Regardless if there is a copyright law there that is being messed
with, I don't see how it affects you one way or the other.  You are posting
to husker info to a husker list and another husker fan wanted other husker
fans to see it.  Not disagreeing with your right to be upset, but why does
that bother you?  just wondering."

This is my reply to him:

Because is it a violation of federal law for starters. If I need to I'll go
back to placing a copyright symbol on my messages (the fact that I don't do
that now does not mean they are not copyrighted in the eyes of the federal
government).

Further, if I wanted my writings posted to other lists (message boards) I would join
and put them there myself. I'm not as concerned about the information (it's
pretty public if you know where to find it), but I am concerned about the
fact that this posting was copied and pasted by this person who posted it as
though they wrote it which they didn't.

I realize that I am not the "end all" source of Husker related
information but I strive for accuracy and very up to date information
(sometimes before it gets out to the media in general). I like Mike's list and most 
of it's members, so I try to give it some "exclusivity and first reported here" type reporting.

Gary Fead
Omaha


From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Thu Feb 10 21:50:23 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Thu Feb 10 21:53:02 2005
Subject: [Husker] Response to TB in Austin & Copyright Violations
References: <003e01c50feb$cd84a280$997d0d44@cx868370b>
Message-ID: <004101c50fec$d24dcde0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

And I for one appreciate the effort of those posts. and have come to trust 
the word of Gary.
Tony Lambert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Fead" <gwfead@cox.net>
To: "Husker List" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: [Husker] Response to TB in Austin & Copyright Violations


Greetings All:

Well I attempted to respond directly to TB in Austin's question but the mail 
I've attempted to send him keeps bouncing back to me, so I'll answer it 
here.

TB in Austin wrote the following:

"if they are both husker lists and the other poster had no intent other than
to distribute the information to other interested Husker fans, how is that a
problem.  Regardless if there is a copyright law there that is being messed
with, I don't see how it affects you one way or the other.  You are posting
to husker info to a husker list and another husker fan wanted other husker
fans to see it.  Not disagreeing with your right to be upset, but why does
that bother you?  just wondering."

This is my reply to him:

Because is it a violation of federal law for starters. If I need to I'll go
back to placing a copyright symbol on my messages (the fact that I don't do
that now does not mean they are not copyrighted in the eyes of the federal
government).

Further, if I wanted my writings posted to other lists (message boards) I 
would join
and put them there myself. I'm not as concerned about the information (it's
pretty public if you know where to find it), but I am concerned about the
fact that this posting was copied and pasted by this person who posted it as
though they wrote it which they didn't.

I realize that I am not the "end all" source of Husker related
information but I strive for accuracy and very up to date information
(sometimes before it gets out to the media in general). I like Mike's list 
and most
of it's members, so I try to give it some "exclusivity and first reported 
here" type reporting.

Gary Fead
Omaha


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From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Thu Feb 10 22:18:05 2005
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Thu Feb 10 22:18:51 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: Copyright Violations (This is a rant, Sorry)
In-Reply-To: <110o82k8pjuojbb@corp.supernews.com>
References: <20050210211944.QFKA17924.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
	<110o82k8pjuojbb@corp.supernews.com>
Message-ID: <p06210203be31e0bc2c4e@[192.168.1.4]>

T.B. wrote:

>if they are both husker lists and the other poster had no intent other than
>to distribute the information to other interested Husker fans, how is that a
>problem?  Regardless if there is a copyright law there that is being messed
>with, I don't see how it affects you one way or the other.  You are posting
>to husker info to a husker list and another husker fan wanted other husker
>fans to see it.  Not disagreeing with your right to be upset, but why does
>that bother you?  just wondering.

I can't presume to speak for Gary, but from my perspective here are a 
couple of problems:

1) Copyright material is the property of the copyright holder. The 
unauthorized use of it constitutes theft of intelletual property.
2) In using others' copyright material, the thief potentially 
conspires to to further unauthorized dissemination of it.

Steve Stone

From theo at heise.nu  Thu Feb 10 22:51:12 2005
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Thu Feb 10 22:52:07 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: Copyright Violations (This is a rant, Sorry) (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200502110332.j1B3W718019990@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200502110332.j1B3W718019990@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0502102348160.7747@linus.heise.nu>



On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Mike Nolan wrote:

>       ...and posts to the Husker List meet the definition of an
> 'intellectual act'

Well...    most of them.  :)


> Reproducing anyone's post from the Husker List somewhere else
> without permission of the author is a form of copyright violation,

Is quoting some of it in a response covered by fair use?

By the way, I'm just asking for clarification purposes.  I respect
Gary's request, and agree that apologies are owed.

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From strongtodd at msn.com  Thu Feb 10 23:09:53 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Thu Feb 10 23:10:36 2005
Subject: [Husker] Response to TB in Austin & Copyright Violations
References: <003e01c50feb$cd84a280$997d0d44@cx868370b>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV25C2BE020C29121C669D91CD770@phx.gbl>

You do a fantastic job at giving informative information, educated opinions 
and always.........ALWAYS...........taking the high road.
The word "Austin" in TB's post oughta say 'nuff. hehe

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Fead" <gwfead@cox.net>
To: "Husker List" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: [Husker] Response to TB in Austin & Copyright Violations


Greetings All:

Well I attempted to respond directly to TB in Austin's question but the mail 
I've attempted to send him keeps bouncing back to me, so I'll answer it 
here.

TB in Austin wrote the following:

"if they are both husker lists and the other poster had no intent other than
to distribute the information to other interested Husker fans, how is that a
problem.  Regardless if there is a copyright law there that is being messed
with, I don't see how it affects you one way or the other.  You are posting
to husker info to a husker list and another husker fan wanted other husker
fans to see it.  Not disagreeing with your right to be upset, but why does
that bother you?  just wondering."

This is my reply to him:

Because is it a violation of federal law for starters. If I need to I'll go
back to placing a copyright symbol on my messages (the fact that I don't do
that now does not mean they are not copyrighted in the eyes of the federal
government).

Further, if I wanted my writings posted to other lists (message boards) I 
would join
and put them there myself. I'm not as concerned about the information (it's
pretty public if you know where to find it), but I am concerned about the
fact that this posting was copied and pasted by this person who posted it as
though they wrote it which they didn't.

I realize that I am not the "end all" source of Husker related
information but I strive for accuracy and very up to date information
(sometimes before it gets out to the media in general). I like Mike's list 
and most
of it's members, so I try to give it some "exclusivity and first reported 
here" type reporting.

Gary Fead
Omaha


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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Feb 10 23:20:08 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Feb 10 23:20:11 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: Copyright Violations (This is a rant, Sorry) (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0502102348160.7747@linus.heise.nu> from "Theodore
	Heise" at Feb 10, 2005 11:51:12 PM
Message-ID: <200502110520.j1B5K8oB021549@romaine.tssi.com>

> > Reproducing anyone's post from the Husker List somewhere else
> > without permission of the author is a form of copyright violation,
> 
> Is quoting some of it in a response covered by fair use?
> 
> By the way, I'm just asking for clarification purposes.  I respect
> Gary's request, and agree that apologies are owed.

'Fair use' can get really tricky, and despite some knowledge in the
area I am not an intellectual property attorney.  

Let's say, for example, that Woody wrote something caustic about the Huskers
and people want to discuss it.  Even though his columns are all copyrighted 
(with the copyright possibly owned by or assigned to his publisher), using 
excerpts here for the purpose of critical commentary is acceptable fair 
use as long as those quotes are short.  

How much can you quote and get away with it?  Sorry, but there aren't 
any really good guidelines here as to what constitutes a 'material portion'
of something like a newspaper column.  

If it makes you want to go read the original piece, that's probably within 
the fair use guidelines, though a jury could always decide otherwise.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Feb 11 00:48:56 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Feb 11 00:49:00 2005
Subject: [Husker] Response to TB in Austin & Copyright Violations (fwd)
Message-ID: <200502110648.j1B6mu01022319@romaine.tssi.com>

> Let's say that I wanted to write an academic paper on fan culture and 
> select the Husker List as a public forum to analyze.  

Odd that you should ask that, because I know several online forums,
including the Husker List, have been cited in articles in academic 
journals, including a few law journal articles.  

I don't know that there's a precise answer to your question, in part 
because this is an area where law is still being formulated.  It would
probably be fair use, but at some point there is an aggregate quantity that
could be deemed to infringe on my compilation copyright on the Husker List
as a whole.  (I'm sure lawyers will cringe at this simplification, but in
essence a compliation copyright means you can't publish a book called 
'The collected ramblings of the Husker List' without my permission.
That's different from a carefully culled set of quotes to illustrate some
specific theme, though.)

>From an academic point of view, you would be expected to provide proper
citations just like you would for quotes from books, newspapers or magazines.
I think the APA handbook and the Manual of Style both have developed
citation standards appropriate for online material.

If you're interested in thoughts on the subject by an expert in online 
intellectual property law, I recommend Mike Godwin's 1998 book, Cyber Rights.  
(BTW, this is the same person who formulated Godwin's Law.  For those
unfamiliar with the term, look it up!)

Mike's book may not be the most current one on the subject anymore, but I
found it interesting reading when it came out.
--
Mike Nolan

From reich at inetnebr.com  Fri Feb 11 09:43:59 2005
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Fri Feb 11 09:48:02 2005
Subject: [Husker] OSU@NU wrestling
Message-ID: <200502111543.JAA02400@stork.inebraska.com>

It was an exciting dual.  NU hadn't beaten OSU in Lincoln in about 80
years.  NU won the matches it could and got a pin by B.J. Wright at 157.
I thought NU was going to win  when in the next to last match (at 197)
B.J. Padden looked to have an escape, but which the official didn't
award.  That escape would have tied the match and given NU an
insurmountable 6 point team score lead going into the last match.
(OSU would have had to pinned to tie and I believe even then the match
would have gone to NU with five wins to four for OSU.)  The officiating
was not very good and seemed to go for OSU all night (even though I
heard that the ref was a former NU wrestler).

Anyway, in another officiating mistake, the ref and scorer didn't properly
apply the scoreing in one of the matches.  Travis Pascoe's victory at
184 was scored 11-4, with three penalty points.  But, the third penalty
should have been 2 points, which would have given Pascoe an 8 point
victory worth 4 team points (instead of 3).  With one more team point,
the team score would have been tied at 18-18, but NU would get the
tie breaker with Wright's pin.  NU objected, but not immediately, so
the ref called the NCAA.  It was reported that they told him to put
an asterisk by the match, sign the card and leave the matter in the
hands of the NCAA.  The NCAA is supposed to decide today.

From andy at knipp.com  Fri Feb 11 10:50:44 2005
From: andy at knipp.com (Andy Knipp)
Date: Fri Feb 11 10:51:26 2005
Subject: [Husker] OSU@NU wrestling
Message-ID: <20050211165044.157BC4F47A@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Reichenbach" <reich@inetnebr.com>

> 
> It was an exciting dual.  NU hadn't beaten OSU in Lincoln in about 80
> years.  NU won the matches it could and got a pin by B.J. Wright at 157.
> I thought NU was going to win  when in the next to last match (at 197)
> B.J. Padden looked to have an escape, but which the official didn't
> award.  That escape would have tied the match and given NU an
> insurmountable 6 point team score lead going into the last match.


This match was televised, I actually found it in a hotel in San Diego. :-)

I was predicting a 23-15 win by OSU,  but knew if one match swung the other
way, the score would be close.  Klien's win over the #2 wrestler was big.

That being said,  there were 3 very questionable calls and one very serious 
scoring mistake that any of which could have called NU the winner.

BTW, the ref was a former NU wrestler, so hard to argue bias.

ANyway at 174,  unranked (but very good) Marc Harwood,  losing late in the 
match tried a throw on the #1 wrestler in the country. He hit it & looked like 
he had a fall.  Ref was not in a great position to call & Pendelton got out of trouble,
winning the match.  10 team point swing there.

At 197, BJ PAdden also went against the #1 wrestler down 1 in the 3rd period with
1 point built up on riding time. Padden looked to have an escape (1 point and 
preserve the riding time point) No call,  Padden is ridden out & loses the Riding Time point.
Also late in the match Rosholt (from OSU) runs Padden off the mat to avoid a 
point.  Either of those points give Padden the lead in the 3rd.  ROsholt would
also wrestle very differnetly, losing instead of winning, so hard to predict the  outcome.

Finally as Steve pointed out the scoring mistake cost NU 1 team point and a tie. That was 
obvious,  but I do not know what the NCAA rules are on appeals.

Considering OSU has 5 (half) wrestlers on its team that are probable NCAA finalists (4 ranked
number 1,  one ranked number 2), all were in action last night, this was huge for Nebraska.
I certainly hope NU's appeal is upheld and it is called a tie.

Andy




Andy Knipp
andy@knipp.com
(480) 818-1026 (M)


From jonlists at cbsol.com  Fri Feb 11 12:23:31 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Fri Feb 11 12:29:54 2005
Subject: [Husker] Turner Gill hired by the Packers
In-Reply-To: <3e3d5a905021016037ddf13c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFBA11A9FE.D435BAD5-ON86256FA5.006365D4-86256FA5.0063A7EE@cbsol.com>

Well - good for Turner Gill. At least he's going to a decent organization 
in the NFL and one that I follow closely. He'll get that all important 
"NFL Experience". 

I'd agree with Mike Sherman - he is a perfect fit for the Green Bay 
Packers. 

No one on this list has mentioned that USC's Norm Chow went to the NFL - 
the Titans. I was surprised it wasn't mentioned. 

Jon Johnston
Creative Business Solutions
IBM,Microsoft, Novell/Suse, Sophos Consultants
http://www.cbsol.com
952-544-1108 
Blog: http://bingo.cbsol.com

husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/10/2005 06:03:44 PM:

> Gill will be an offensive assistant and director of player development.
> 
> http://www.journalstar.
> com/articles/2005/02/10/huskerextra/doc420bf1c1d75b2956957127.txt
> -- 
> Steve Cornelius
> e-mail: sscornelius@gmail.com
> blog: http://sscornelius.blogspot.com
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> space: http://spaces.msn.com/members/sscornelius/
> 
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From andy at knipp.com  Fri Feb 11 12:42:04 2005
From: andy at knipp.com (Andy Knipp)
Date: Fri Feb 11 12:42:46 2005
Subject: [Husker] Turner Gill hired by the Packers
Message-ID: <20050211184204.15A00EDFCD@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com>



Green Bay ?  A decent orgainization ?  & you are from Minnesota ? sad, sad, sad.

Being from Chicago, it is hard to like anything about the evil empire, but I do hope
he and the other former Huskers there do well.

Andy



> Well - good for Turner Gill. At least he's going to a decent organization
> in the NFL and one that I follow closely. He'll get that all important
> "NFL Experience".
> 
> I'd agree with Mike Sherman - he is a perfect fit for the Green Bay
> Packers.
> 
> No one on this list has mentioned that USC's Norm Chow went to the NFL -
> the Titans. I was surprised it wasn't mentioned.
> 
> Jon Johnston
> Creative Business Solutions
> IBM,Microsoft, Novell/Suse, Sophos Consultants
> http://www.cbsol.com
> 952-544-1108
> Blog: http://bingo.cbsol.com
> 
> husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/10/2005 06:03:44 PM:
> 
> > Gill will be an offensive assistant and director of player development.
> >
> > http://www.journalstar.
> > com/articles/2005/02/10/huskerextra/doc420bf1c1d75b2956957127.txt
> > -- Steve Cornelius
> > e-mail: sscornelius@gmail.com
> > blog: http://sscornelius.blogspot.com
> > pictures: http://corneliuspics.blogspot.com
> > space: http://spaces.msn.com/members/sscornelius/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > husker site list
> > husker@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
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> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
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Andy Knipp
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(480) 818-1026 (M)


From russvolb at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 12 06:31:47 2005
From: russvolb at earthlink.net (Russ Volberding)
Date: Sat Feb 12 06:36:18 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Turner Gill hired by the Packers
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050212061928.00a160f0@pop.earthlink.net>

As I sit looking at my Ahman Green autographed Packer helmet atop my PC 
tower in my heart I know Turner Gill has found his was to NFL paradise.  I 
hope he finds this a useful step back to a head coaching job in the college 
ranks.
Slightly Husker related - Scot McCloughan was named VP/Player Personnel for 
the 49's.  His father is Kent McCloughan who played DB for Oakland and [I 
believe] is the former Husker great.  This keeps the 49/Husker connection 
alive.



>Green Bay ?  A decent orgainization ?  & you are from Minnesota ? sad, 
>sad, sad.
>
>Being from Chicago, it is hard to like anything about the evil empire, but 
>I do hope
>he and the other former Huskers there do well.
>
>Andy
>
>
>
> > Well - good for Turner Gill. At least he's going to a decent organization
> > in the NFL and one that I follow closely. He'll get that all important
> > "NFL Experience".
> >
> > I'd agree with Mike Sherman - he is a perfect fit for the Green Bay
> > Packers.
> >
> > No one on this list has mentioned that USC's Norm Chow went to the NFL -
> > the Titans. I was surprised it wasn't mentioned.
> >
> > Jon Johnston
> > Creative Business Solutions
> > IBM,Microsoft, Novell/Suse, Sophos Consultants
> > http://www.cbsol.com
> > 952-544-1108
> > Blog: http://bingo.cbsol.com
> >
> > husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/10/2005 06:03:44 PM:
> >
> > > Gill will be an offensive assistant and director of player development.
> > >
> > > http://www.journalstar.
> > > com/articles/2005/02/10/huskerextra/doc420bf1c1d75b2956957127.txt
> > > -- Steve Cornelius
> > > e-mail: sscornelius@gmail.com
> > > blog: http://sscornelius.blogspot.com
> > > pictures: http://corneliuspics.blogspot.com
> > > space: http://spaces.msn.com/members/sscornelius/
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > husker site list
> > > husker@tssi.com
> > > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
> > _______________________________________________
> > husker site list
> > husker@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
>
>
>Andy Knipp
>andy@knipp.com
>(480) 818-1026 (M)
>
>
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>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker

From python3955 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 12 07:52:07 2005
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Sat Feb 12 07:52:39 2005
Subject: [Husker] Kent McCloughan
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV3BB307992343CF01116F7D1680@phx.gbl>

> Slightly Husker related - Scot McCloughan was named VP/Player Personnel 
> for the 49's.  His father is Kent McCloughan who played DB for Oakland and 
> [I believe] is the former Husker great.  This keeps the 49/Husker 
> connection alive.
>
>

I believe you may be right.

"Kent McCloughan
Broken Bow High School Class of 1961. All-State in football in 1959 and 
1960, he was also a star in basketball and one of the most dominant track 
runners in history. He played a key role in helping Bob Devaney rebuild the 
Nebraska Cornhusker football program. He went on to play defensive back for 
the Oakland Raiders and was all-pro several years. His high school legacy 
lives on in track where he won three state meet gold medals in the 100-yard 
dash and set the 220-yard dash of :21.4 in 1961."

http://www.nebhalloffame.org/1994/mcclough.htm

He states in this article, that he was drafted in the 3rd round by 
Washington, and the 11th round by Houston. This was at a time when I was 
quite young, so I'm guessing that the AFL and NFL had separate drafts 
then???

Monty 

From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Sat Feb 12 10:36:26 2005
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Sat Feb 12 10:37:05 2005
Subject: [Husker] Dailey
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-DAV16B4C3998AAA8BA8B1569ECD750@phx.gbl>
References: <BBEFKABPGJDMIALMEGLPGEDNDPAA.shubs@sbcglobal.net>
	<000a01c50e54$85bb1800$26148f18@husker>
	<BAY4-DAV16B4C3998AAA8BA8B1569ECD750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <p06210209be33df8f6627@[192.168.1.4]>

todd strong wrote:

>Joe Dailey is no Scott Frost.

As a sophomore at Stanford, Scott Frost was no Scott Frost.

>I am not ready to give up on  Dailey yet. But.........the next time 
>he scrambles for a first down and runs out of bounds a yard or less 
>short of the mark, especially on a potentially game winning drive. 
>Stick a fork in him I say.

Looks easy enough from the cheap seats...

and

>I realize Dailey was told to "slide" and not take any direct hits. 
>However, when the games on the line you gotta go for it. That 
>competitor inside has to take over sometime, no matter what the 
>coach says.

Since when is a first down more important than the health of the only 
fit quarterback on the Husker squad?

Steve Stone

From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 12 09:36:57 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 12 10:44:33 2005
Subject: [Husker] Kent McCloughan
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-DAV3BB307992343CF01116F7D1680@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY102-DAV3BB307992343CF01116F7D1680@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200502120936570562.0AE3D03C@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>




On 2/12/2005 at 6:52 AM Monty Perry wrote:

>>He states in this article, that he was drafted in the 3rd round by 
>>Washington, and the 11th round by Houston. This was at a time when I was 
>>quite young, so I'm guessing that the AFL and NFL had separate drafts 
>>then???




     Yes they did.  The NFL was an older established league when the AFL came along in 1960.  Pittsburgh, the then Baltimore Colts, and the Art Modell Cleveland Browns (who are now the Baltimore Ravens) were in the old NFL.  The AFL and NFL were separate leagues and each had their own Commissioner, draft, and championship game.  Then on Jan, 15, 1967 it was agreed each league champion would play each other and they would call it the Super Bowl.  On Jan. 12, 1969 the Jets beat the Baltimore Colts in the Super Bowl which was one of the biggest upsets ever.  In 1970 the two leagues merged with the Steelers, Colts, and Browns going to the AFC.  So, instead of two separate leagues it became one league with two conferences as we know it today.  One thing I have always wondered about.  In the early years the AFL wasn't wildly popular.  The old NFL dominated the scene.  It is very likely we wouldn't have the history we have had the Colts beat the Jets in the 1969 Super Bowl.  The Colts were much the better team and after Lombardi's Packers had thrashed the Chiefs and the Raiders in the first two Super Bowls another NFL thrashing might have just done in the AFL or at least held off the merger for a few more years. 


Bob Beach 


From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 12 12:21:34 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Sat Feb 12 12:22:49 2005
Subject: [Husker] Buzzards circling above Barry Collier?
Message-ID: <20050212182134.19406.qmail@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Apparantly the Iowa State loss is being taken as "the
last straw" by some; a story in today's Omaha paper
raises serious questions of whether Barry Collier will
be retained after this season.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1334824

Apparantly, the athletic department is hearing rumors
as well. The Development Office sent an e-mail out
yesterday expressing "full support" of Collier.

My $0.02:  While the lack of W's this season is
disconcerting, I think talk of pulling the plug on
Collier is WAY premature at this point.  Many people
like to compare Collier to Danny Nee, but when they
use Nee, they remember the early-middle 90's version,
which went to several NCAA tournaments, sold out the
Devaney, and even won a Big 8 tournament.

They conveniently forget the final years of the Nee
era, when players walked out of practice, behaved
shamefully on the court, and played an undisciplined
and selfish style.  In the eyes of this observer,
Collier's Huskers are light-years ahead of the final
Nee squad.

I see a great analogy to Husker hoops 50 miles up I-80
in Omaha, specifically at the Qwest Center.  Not
Creighton, but Nebraska-Omaha Maverick Hockey.  The
Mav hockey program started in 1997 from scratch.  In
1999-2000, they joined the CCHA conference.  That
first year in the conference, they surprised fans by
making it to the conference championship game by
beating Michigan in Detroit in the semi-finals.  Their
second year, they returned to the conference
semi-finals again.  All looked good.  Then bad things
happened:  changes in assistant coaches and losing
seasons.  Player defections.

Last season, the Mavs finished in last place in the
CCHA.  Many people pointed to the record and said it
was time to pull the plug on coach Mike Kemp.  But
many other fans said, hold it for a second.  The best
players on the team were freshman and sophomores,
including the leading scorer.  And there the
recruiting class seemed full of promise as well.

Move forward 1 year.  UNO was picked to finish last
again, but that prediction was quickly shown to be
bogus.  With the season winding down, UNO is in 4th
place in a 12 team league with a winning record.  Last
night, they played league-leading Michigan tough, but
lost late in the game.  And this is definitely a
young-team on the rise; the majority of the scoring is
by freshman and sophomores.  They will only get
better.

Bottom line is that at Nebraska, there seem to be
young players on the way, and Collier seems to be
doing the right things to build the program.  I think
he's earned at least another year or two.  This team
has come really close to getting that "big win",
whether it was on the road at Kansas this year, or at
Austin or Stillwater.

And a plug for UNO hockey, if you want to be part of
an exciting sporting event tonight, head down to the
Qwest Center and watch UNO take on Michigan tonight.

=====
Mike Jaixen

__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 12 13:42:28 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 12 13:42:43 2005
Subject: [Husker] Pelini
Message-ID: <200502121342280655.002A9B1A@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>

     This may have been discussed on the list but if it was I missed it.  Bo Pelini is the new Defensive Coordinator at LSU.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/020905/spo_lsufoot001.shtml


     This is a step up as he will be THE Defensive Coordinator in this case.  


Bob Beach


From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 12 15:14:43 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 12 15:14:58 2005
Subject: [Husker] Yes or No
Message-ID: <200502121514430499.007F0F96@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>

      The plot thickens.

http://www.journalstar.com/huskerextra2/blog/index.php?cat=1


Bob Beach

From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 12 16:07:09 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 12 16:07:25 2005
Subject: [Husker] Yes or No
In-Reply-To: <20050212214805.16203.qmail@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050212214805.16203.qmail@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200502121607090186.00AF0F7D@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>



On 2/12/2005 at 1:48 PM Mike Jaixen wrote:

>>Could your post have been any more vague?





     Sure it could have since I didn't think it was vague at all once one read the article.  I could see where it would be very vague if one didn't read the article.  The phrase "the plot thickens" is an age old term that basically means "this is getting interesting."  We have a recruit here that no one is sure if he is going JUCO or coming to Nebraska.  This is, IMHO,  getting interesting as it is bouncing back and forth.  The yes or no in my subject line is pointing is he coming to NU or is he not?  I thought it was straight forward.  Sorry if it didn't come through that way.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.    


From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 12 16:32:35 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 12 16:32:35 2005
Subject: [Husker] Yes or No
In-Reply-To: <20050212222215.25085.qmail@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050212222215.25085.qmail@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200502121632350232.00C6589C@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>




On 2/12/2005 at 2:22 PM Mike Jaixen wrote:

>>The point was that it would be nice to have an idea
>>what the story is about before clicking on the link. 
>>Then I can decide whether I want to read the article,
>>or in some cases when the link doesn't work, I at
>>least have an idea of what's happening.  Doesn't take
>>long; all it takes is a sentence or two summarizing
>>the article.




     I guess I can do that.  I didn't realize ANY comment was necessary as I thought that was why the hyperlink was there.  I am on several lists where people just post 5-6 hyperlinks on a post and that is all.  I'll try and be more descriptive if you feel it helps.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.  


From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Feb 12 18:16:52 2005
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Feb 12 18:17:02 2005
Subject: [Husker] NU loses wrestling appeal
Message-ID: <200502130016.j1D0Gqmw009375@romaine.tssi.com>

NU lost the appeal of the scoring error in the OSU dual, so the results
stand as an OSU win.  The appeal was turned down because the Huskers didn't
protest the scoring error that was made in a sufficiently timely fashion.  
--
Mike Nolan

From reich at inetnebr.com  Sat Feb 12 21:10:57 2005
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Sat Feb 12 21:14:58 2005
Subject: [Husker] Husker men and women win
Message-ID: <200502130310.VAA16858@stork.inebraska.com>

The women blew out ISU.  The game was over with 8 or 9 minutes
left in the game.  Hardy had 27, I believe.  Gina was an assist
short of a double double.  Page, just a freshman, had a great
all-around game and is going to be an awesome player.  It was
the 3rd largest crowd for a Husker women's game --- over 12K.
The women have virtually assured a place in the NCAA tournament
and can't be counted out for the Big 12 title.  They have a
fairly favorable schedule and are one game behind ISU and 2 games
out of the lead with 5 to play.

I heard the last minute of the men's game in Baylor.  NU led
by 10 with 48 seconds left and 10 minutes later the game was
over with the Huskers winning by 11.  The Huskers still have
an outside shot at finishing 8-8.

From gzimmerman at everestkc.net  Sun Feb 13 08:37:14 2005
From: gzimmerman at everestkc.net (Greg Zimmerman)
Date: Sun Feb 13 08:41:21 2005
Subject: [Husker] Turner Gill hired by the Packers
In-Reply-To: <20050211184204.15A00EDFCD@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <004801c511d9$82ec5930$1802a8c0@yourfn86qv5dxz>

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Andy Knipp
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:42 PM
To: Husker List
Subject: Re: [Husker] Turner Gill hired by the Packers



Green Bay ?  A decent orgainization ?  & you are from Minnesota ? sad, sad,
sad.

Being from Chicago, it is hard to like anything about the evil empire, but I
do hope
he and the other former Huskers there do well.

Andy

_______________________________________________

I don't think there has ever been a post with which I agreed more. :-)

Go Bears!

Greg Zimmerman, UNL '75
Overland Park, Kansas

From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 13 10:07:46 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 13 10:08:01 2005
Subject: [Husker] Gals Hoops
Message-ID: <200502131007460421.022057AF@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>

     There was a nice crowd for the women's game last night against Iowa State.  They drew 12,429.  That is more than double for any other home game this year.  Typically they draw somewhere in the 1,000 to 4,000 range.  The gals have a real good chance of going to the dance.


 Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.
  


From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 13 10:26:27 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 13 10:26:43 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball
Message-ID: <200502131026270500.023172E5@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>


     We know spring can't be far away.  The Husker baseball team opens its season in Hawaii on Thursday.  I am really looking forward to this season as I love baseball anyway and the Huskers should be somewhere from pretty good to very good.  The pitching should be stronger and Alex Gordon should be an absolute stud.  The URL below has some information about the radio schedule, bios about the announcers, and just some general information.


http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=101&SPID=33&DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=108847


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.





From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sun Feb 13 11:11:59 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sun Feb 13 11:13:48 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball
References: <200502131026270500.023172E5@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00cd01c511ef$216043a0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

Do the huskers have enough hitters in place to protect Alex Gordon ? Do you 
know who this Buckman kid is and can he hit. Also is Johnny Dorn good enough 
to be a weekend starter. I did not get a chance to see dorn pitch last year. 
I did get to see a team mate of his  pitch against Hastings and he was very 
dominate. I believe he is going to UNO. Dorn was the Stud of the GI staff so 
he must be very good.

Tony Lambert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Beach" <rbeach@neb.rr.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: [Husker] Baseball


>
>     We know spring can't be far away.  The Husker baseball team opens its 
> season in Hawaii on Thursday.  I am really looking forward to this season 
> as I love baseball anyway and the Huskers should be somewhere from pretty 
> good to very good.  The pitching should be stronger and Alex Gordon should 
> be an absolute stud.  The URL below has some information about the radio 
> schedule, bios about the announcers, and just some general information.
>
>
> http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=101&SPID=33&DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=108847
>
>
> Bob Beach
> The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't 
> know.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
> 


From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 13 11:42:23 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 13 11:42:37 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c511ef$216043a0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>
References: <200502131026270500.023172E5@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
	<00cd01c511ef$216043a0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>
Message-ID: <200502131142230375.0276F748@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>



On 2/13/2005 at 11:11 AM Tony Lambert wrote:

>>Do the huskers have enough hitters in place to protect Alex Gordon ?



     That is the big question.  I think they do but it is still a question mark.




>>Do you 
>>know who this Buckman kid is and can he hit. 



    I honestly don't know a lot about him.   





>>Also is Johnny Dorn good
>>enough 
>>to be a weekend starter. I did not get a chance to see dorn pitch last
>>year. 
>>I did get to see a team mate of his  pitch against Hastings and he was
>>very 
>>dominate. I believe he is going to UNO. Dorn was the Stud of the GI staff
>>so 
>>he must be very good.




     I think he is very good but I'm not sure he is Big 12 material.  UNO may be a good fit.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.



From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 12:43:48 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 13 12:47:45 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Gals Hoops
Message-ID: <9a.200c7793.2f40f9e4@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/13/05 10:09:54 AM Central Standard Time, 
rbeach@neb.rr.com writes:


> There was a nice crowd for the women's game last night against Iowa State.  
> They drew 12,429.  That is more than double for any other home game this 
> year.  Typically they draw somewhere in the 1,000 to 4,000 range.  The gals have 
> a real good chance of going to the dance.

I believe that last night's women's game was "dollar night."  Dollar 
admission, dollar hot dogs, dollar soft drinks.  Comparisons to other attendance 
figures this year are skewed greatly.

Dave Norris


From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 12:51:36 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 13 12:55:42 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Baseball
Message-ID: <d2.227accd6.2f40fbb8@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/13/05 11:15:58 AM Central Standard Time, 
slimmer37@hamilton.net writes:


> Do the huskers have enough hitters in place to protect Alex Gordon ? Do you 
> 
> know who this Buckman kid is and can he hit. Also is Johnny Dorn good enough 
> 
> to be a weekend starter. I did not get a chance to see dorn pitch last year. 
> 
> I did get to see a team mate of his  pitch against Hastings and he was very 
> dominate. I believe he is going to UNO. Dorn was the Stud of the GI staff so 
> 
> he must be very good.

Dorn and Jabo Chamberlain, transfer from UNK are both currently being counted 
on to serve as starters.  Whether they are weekend conference starters or 
mid-week starters will play out.  Kroneke, Chamberlain, Dorn, Duensing and Sirek 
are "five to choose from" who can take the ball at the start of the game.  I 
think the KEY to protecting Alex Gordon this year is Brandan Fusilier, stud 
from two years ago who redshirted because of injuries/surgeries last year.  This 
kid was a bull with a powerful right-handed stroke before bad health occurred. 
 I think he is absolute key to our line-up being upgraded ... and the 
line-up, after last year, is in need of upgrading.  Keep an eye on Fusilier -- we 
need him to produce. 

Dave Norris
From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 13 13:25:02 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 13 13:25:17 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Gals Hoops
In-Reply-To: <9a.200c7793.2f40f9e4@aol.com>
References: <9a.200c7793.2f40f9e4@aol.com>
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On 2/13/2005 at 1:43 PM NUStLNorris@aol.com wrote:

>>I believe that last night's women's game was "dollar night."  Dollar 
>>admission, dollar hot dogs, dollar soft drinks.  Comparisons to other
>>attendance 
>>figures this year are skewed greatly.




     I didn't know that.  That would definitely make a huge difference.  I kind of thought that was a huge crowd compared to the usual.


Bob Beach
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From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sun Feb 13 13:23:36 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sun Feb 13 13:25:28 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball
References: <d2.227accd6.2f40fbb8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c51201$840b5690$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

I would agree that Fusilier is a key hitting in the three hole, but what 
about the five spot we need someone there. Can Ledbetter produce there or 
will Buckman be at that spot. Simo needs to be better in the eight or nine 
hole. And will Boyer lead off. And on the Pitching front how has that Watson 
developed ?
Tony Lambert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <NUStLNorris@aol.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:51 PM
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Baseball


> In a message dated 2/13/05 11:15:58 AM Central Standard Time,
> slimmer37@hamilton.net writes:
>
>
>> Do the huskers have enough hitters in place to protect Alex Gordon ? Do 
>> you
>>
>> know who this Buckman kid is and can he hit. Also is Johnny Dorn good 
>> enough
>>
>> to be a weekend starter. I did not get a chance to see dorn pitch last 
>> year.
>>
>> I did get to see a team mate of his  pitch against Hastings and he was 
>> very
>> dominate. I believe he is going to UNO. Dorn was the Stud of the GI staff 
>> so
>>
>> he must be very good.
>
> Dorn and Jabo Chamberlain, transfer from UNK are both currently being 
> counted
> on to serve as starters.  Whether they are weekend conference starters or
> mid-week starters will play out.  Kroneke, Chamberlain, Dorn, Duensing and 
> Sirek
> are "five to choose from" who can take the ball at the start of the game. 
> I
> think the KEY to protecting Alex Gordon this year is Brandan Fusilier, 
> stud
> from two years ago who redshirted because of injuries/surgeries last year. 
> This
> kid was a bull with a powerful right-handed stroke before bad health 
> occurred.
> I think he is absolute key to our line-up being upgraded ... and the
> line-up, after last year, is in need of upgrading.  Keep an eye on 
> Fusilier -- we
> need him to produce.
>
> Dave Norris
>


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From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 14:22:48 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 13 14:24:19 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Baseball
Message-ID: <83.21348f41.2f411118@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/13/05 1:24:19 PM Central Standard Time, 
slimmer37@hamilton.net writes:


> I would agree that Fusilier is a key hitting in the three hole, but what 
> about the five spot we need someone there. Can Ledbetter produce there or 
> will Buckman be at that spot. Simo needs to be better in the eight or nine 
> hole. And will Boyer lead off. And on the Pitching front how has that Watson 
> 
> developed ?

I asked a friend, whose opinion and knowledge of Husker baseball I trust, the 
same question the other day about Watson and his potential contribution this 
year, Tony.  He said that word is Watson just can't find the plate thus far in 
pre-season workouts.  Not good.  Hopefully he can turn it around, because he 
was very highly regarded when recruited.

Alex Gordon will probably again hit in the three-hole with left-fielder 
Fusilier hitting clean-up.  Buckman is a highly regarded juco who will hopefully 
serve well in the designated hitter role (he can also play first).  Buckman hit 
about 16 dingers last year at the juco level so he's got some pop ... we need 
him to be a consistent, reliable run-producer.  Ledbetter is a big kid with 
power, but some definite holes in his swing.  I hope that Buckman is good enough 
so that Ledbetter can hit sixth.  If a highly-regarded, quintessential 
lead-off-type, table-setter outfielder recruit named Adams (Trey Adams, I think) can 
produce and lead-off our batting order, we can hit shortstop Joe Simokaitis 
second.  Jessie Boyer or Daniel Bruce would play rightfield and hit seventh, 
with a freshman named Nimo supposedly good enough to push for playing time.  
We've got some outfield depth with Fusilier back ... to the point where Jessie 
Boyer and veteran Daniel Bruce will HAVE to produce or look at serious playing 
time reduction.  Then again, injuries could help things sort themselves out.

A big blow occured last week when it was determined that catcher Adam Moore 
was gone for the season with a pending knee surgery.  Now it's all up to Alex 
Gordon's former high school teammate Jeff Christy to shoulder the load.  
Christy and highly-regarded Papillion recruit Ryan Wehrle (2nd base) will probably 
hit eighth and ninth.  We were looking at good depth at catcher to replace team 
leader-but-big-disappointment-at-the-plate-his-final-season John Grose, then 
the injury to Moore (who sounded a bit like Jed Morris in terms of his 
offensive ability to go with his catching.  Morris came to NU a good hitter, then 
developed into a great collegiate hitter between his sophmore and junior year).

Sorry for the length ... and a lot of speculation with regard to batting 
order and-the-like.  It's just based on what I've seen from watching Husker 
baseball and from what I hear from people who follow the program fairly closely.

Dave Norris



From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 13 16:22:42 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 13 16:22:57 2005
Subject: [Husker] Pelini
Message-ID: <200502131622420203.00EBB733@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>

     Contained in the following article are some thoughts Pelini has about LSU and about leaving Oklahoma.


http://tinyurl.com/57cd8


Bob Beach
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From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sun Feb 13 17:51:53 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sun Feb 13 17:53:33 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball
References: <83.21348f41.2f411118@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002801c51226$fea635d0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

You have Gordon hitting in the hole and Fusilier hitting cleanup I had those 
turned around. and you think Simokaitis hitting second will he be that good 
to hit there ? I like him down in the order seven or eight hitter. And i did 
not know much about the out field other than Fusilier played there how will 
the outfield shake out Bruce in right Fusilier in left and Trey Adams in 
center, Or am i all wet with that line up. And one more Question is Duensing 
back or is there still some problems. I have read in the paper that he has 
his stuff back. Or is that horse pucky ?
Tony Lambert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <NUStLNorris@aol.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:22 PM
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Baseball


> In a message dated 2/13/05 1:24:19 PM Central Standard Time,
> slimmer37@hamilton.net writes:
>
>
>> I would agree that Fusilier is a key hitting in the three hole, but what
>> about the five spot we need someone there. Can Ledbetter produce there or
>> will Buckman be at that spot. Simo needs to be better in the eight or 
>> nine
>> hole. And will Boyer lead off. And on the Pitching front how has that 
>> Watson
>>
>> developed ?
>
> I asked a friend, whose opinion and knowledge of Husker baseball I trust, 
> the
> same question the other day about Watson and his potential contribution 
> this
> year, Tony.  He said that word is Watson just can't find the plate thus 
> far in
> pre-season workouts.  Not good.  Hopefully he can turn it around, because 
> he
> was very highly regarded when recruited.
>
> Alex Gordon will probably again hit in the three-hole with left-fielder
> Fusilier hitting clean-up.  Buckman is a highly regarded juco who will 
> hopefully
> serve well in the designated hitter role (he can also play first). 
> Buckman hit
> about 16 dingers last year at the juco level so he's got some pop ... we 
> need
> him to be a consistent, reliable run-producer.  Ledbetter is a big kid 
> with
> power, but some definite holes in his swing.  I hope that Buckman is good 
> enough
> so that Ledbetter can hit sixth.  If a highly-regarded, quintessential
> lead-off-type, table-setter outfielder recruit named Adams (Trey Adams, I 
> think) can
> produce and lead-off our batting order, we can hit shortstop Joe 
> Simokaitis
> second.  Jessie Boyer or Daniel Bruce would play rightfield and hit 
> seventh,
> with a freshman named Nimo supposedly good enough to push for playing 
> time.
> We've got some outfield depth with Fusilier back ... to the point where 
> Jessie
> Boyer and veteran Daniel Bruce will HAVE to produce or look at serious 
> playing
> time reduction.  Then again, injuries could help things sort themselves 
> out.
>
> A big blow occured last week when it was determined that catcher Adam 
> Moore
> was gone for the season with a pending knee surgery.  Now it's all up to 
> Alex
> Gordon's former high school teammate Jeff Christy to shoulder the load.
> Christy and highly-regarded Papillion recruit Ryan Wehrle (2nd base) will 
> probably
> hit eighth and ninth.  We were looking at good depth at catcher to replace 
> team
> leader-but-big-disappointment-at-the-plate-his-final-season John Grose, 
> then
> the injury to Moore (who sounded a bit like Jed Morris in terms of his
> offensive ability to go with his catching.  Morris came to NU a good 
> hitter, then
> developed into a great collegiate hitter between his sophmore and junior 
> year).
>
> Sorry for the length ... and a lot of speculation with regard to batting
> order and-the-like.  It's just based on what I've seen from watching 
> Husker
> baseball and from what I hear from people who follow the program fairly 
> closely.
>
> Dave Norris
>
>
>
>


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From dkarre at comcast.net  Sun Feb 13 19:18:41 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Sun Feb 13 19:14:41 2005
Subject: [Husker] Crouch On Heading to Europe
Message-ID: <00f601c51233$1ed16a80$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

"It's really a now-or-never type of thing. . . . I probably made some poor decisions." Duh.
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1334323
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 20:03:45 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 13 20:05:24 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Baseball
Message-ID: <1df.3543d635.2f416101@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/13/05 5:52:33 PM Central Standard Time, 
slimmer37@hamilton.net writes:


> You have Gordon hitting in the hole and Fusilier hitting cleanup I had 
> those 
> turned around. and you think Simokaitis hitting second will he be that good 
> to hit there ? I like him down in the order seven or eight hitter. And i did 
> 
> not know much about the out field other than Fusilier played there how will 
> the outfield shake out Bruce in right Fusilier in left and Trey Adams in 
> center, Or am i all wet with that line up. And one more Question is Duensing 
> 
> back or is there still some problems. I have read in the paper that he has 
> his stuff back. Or is that horse pucky ?

Prior to my earlier post, I hadn't read today's Journal-Star. They featured 
NU baseball  today with a projected line-up that switched the lead-off and #7 
hitters that I'd mentioned earlier.  Boyer was lead-off with Adams 7th.  I 
would suspect the hotter hitter would be at the top.  The Journal-Star line-up 
also showed Simokaitis in the number two hole, but mentioned that Wehrle, shown 
in the number 9 hole, could move up to number two if he produces early on.  It 
looks to me like the projected lead-off and seventh place hitters, as well as 
#2 hitter and #9, are interchangeable.

If you're to go by what the Journal-Star lists, veteran outfielder Daniel 
Bruce is not projected to be in the opening day line-up.  

>From everything I've heard, Duensing is 100 percent healthy and ready to go.  
No restrictions because of past health problems.  Hopefully he can still get 
people out.  

Dave Norris
  

From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 20:25:24 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 13 20:29:26 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Buzzards circling above Barry Collier?
Message-ID: <102.5aa7e3d3.2f416614@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/12/05 12:24:23 PM Central Standard Time, 
mikejaixen@yahoo.com writes:


> Apparantly the Iowa State loss is being taken as "the
> last straw" by some; a story in today's Omaha paper
> raises serious questions of whether Barry Collier will
> be retained after this season.
> 
> http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1334824
> 
> Apparantly, the athletic department is hearing rumors
> as well. The Development Office sent an e-mail out
> yesterday expressing "full support" of Collier.
> 
> My $0.02:  While the lack of W's this season is
> disconcerting, I think talk of pulling the plug on
> Collier is WAY premature at this point.  Many people
> like to compare Collier to Danny Nee, but when they
> use Nee, they remember the early-middle 90's version,
> which went to several NCAA tournaments, sold out the
> Devaney, and even won a Big 8 tournament.
> 
> They conveniently forget the final years of the Nee
> era, when players walked out of practice, behaved
> shamefully on the court, and played an undisciplined
> and selfish style.  In the eyes of this observer,
> Collier's Huskers are light-years ahead of the final
> Nee squad.

Have to say I agree with all of your points re: Collier, his program's 
integrity and direction, and how it compares to what we had prior to his arrival.  
One of the reasons I've been such a supporter is because he DOES try to do 
things "the right way."  He stresses and emphasizes discipline, fundamentals, team 
play, defense and effort, among other things.

But eventually you have to win.

I've been one who's been critical of some of the specific things he's done 
this year and last.  But I also really like the players he has coming in and the 
one's he's recently attracted.  

He HAS to show some significant, measurable improvement over the next two 
years ... if he's given the opportunity.  I would be VERY surprised if he's let 
go after this year, no matter what (and the possibility exists for a 2 and 4 
finish in conference play.  That would amount to a 6 and 10 league mark and 
potentially, an overall losing record).

There really HAS been a lot of speculation and rumor about his job status 
recently.  Like you said, enough to merit a response from the Development Office.

The Baylor win was NU's second on the road this year in league play.  It's 
tough to see them winning in either Norman, Ames or Manhattan.  Home games 
remain against Mizzou, OSU and CU.

Next up is at Oklahoma, Wednesday night at 8 p.m. on ESPN2.

Dave Norris
From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Tue Feb 15 07:50:33 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Tue Feb 15 07:51:23 2005
Subject: [Husker] Turner Gill hired by the Packers
Message-ID: <E9F6BAC191B8744D86881015D1C5FFD947253E@mailsrvr.omahasteaks.com>

Okay as a Packer fan I must respond. Plain and simple, the Bears still
suck ;-)

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Greg Zimmerman
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 8:37 AM
To: 'Husker List'
Subject: RE: [Husker] Turner Gill hired by the Packers

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of
Andy Knipp
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:42 PM
To: Husker List
Subject: Re: [Husker] Turner Gill hired by the Packers



Green Bay ?  A decent orgainization ?  & you are from Minnesota ? sad,
sad,
sad.

Being from Chicago, it is hard to like anything about the evil empire,
but I
do hope
he and the other former Huskers there do well.

Andy

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I don't think there has ever been a post with which I agreed more. :-)

Go Bears!

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From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Tue Feb 15 08:37:08 2005
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Tue Feb 15 08:37:47 2005
Subject: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
Message-ID: <p06210201be37b94c456f@[192.168.1.4]>

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-neuheiseltrial&prov=ap&type=lgns

Steve Stone
From strongtodd at msn.com  Tue Feb 15 09:47:49 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Tue Feb 15 09:49:59 2005
Subject: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
References: <p06210201be37b94c456f@[192.168.1.4]>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV27044638250F6E2BB806AACD6B0@phx.gbl>

Poor Skippy.
We reap what we sow.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "husker-tssi.com" <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:37 AM
Subject: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears


> http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-neuheiseltrial&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> Steve Stone
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From HuskersNY at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 11:03:29 2005
From: HuskersNY at aol.com (HuskersNY@aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb 15 11:05:25 2005
Subject: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
Message-ID: <f7.4a23c717.2f438561@aol.com>

 
Never liked Skippy in the least, but I always thought he got a raw deal on  
this one. It seemed to be an excuse to get rid of him.  (Of course,  this is 
not based on being privy to "all of the facts").   In most  circles, a pool 
among friends/acquaintances/colleagues is completely different  from conventional 
gambling.  AND it was a pool in a sport completely  unrelated to his job.  
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/15/2005 10:52:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
strongtodd@msn.com writes:

Poor  Skippy.
We reap what we sow.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be  proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve  Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net>
To: "husker-tssi.com"  <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:37  AM
Subject: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears


>  http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-neuheiseltrial&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
>  Steve Stone
> _______________________________________________
>  husker site list
> husker@tssi.com


 
From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 15 20:09:25 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Tue Feb 15 20:10:41 2005
Subject: [Husker] John Turek nominated for Award of Excellence
Message-ID: <20050216020925.63698.qmail@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nebraska's John Turek has been named to the watch list
for the Collegiate Basketball Award of Excellence.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1337174

Perhaps this is a much more solid example of the
progress that has been made in the Nebraska mens
basketball program under Barry Collier.

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From jensen86 at iowatelecom.net  Thu Feb 17 00:02:25 2005
From: jensen86 at iowatelecom.net (Mark & Barbara Jensen)
Date: Wed Feb 16 23:59:59 2005
Subject: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
References: <f7.4a23c717.2f438561@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42143371.000008.00572@JENSENS>

I missed it...where's the "in tears" part?  or is that just an assumption..
? ;-)

We will rebuild, we will return! 
(new e-mail address)
Barb 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: HuskersNY@aol.com
Date: 02/15/05 11:07:20
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
 
 
Never liked Skippy in the least, but I always thought he got a raw deal on
this one. It seemed to be an excuse to get rid of him.  (Of course,  this is
not based on being privy to "all of the facts").   In most  circles, a pool
among friends/acquaintances/colleagues is completely different  from
conventional
gambling.  AND it was a pool in a sport completely  unrelated to his job.
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/15/2005 10:52:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
strongtodd@msn.com writes:
 
Poor  Skippy.
We reap what we sow.
 
"Would the boy I was yesterday, be  proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve  Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net>
To: "husker-tssi.com"  <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:37  AM
Subject: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
 
 
>  http://sports.yahoo
com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-neuheiseltrial&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
>  Steve Stone
> _______________________________________________
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> husker@tssi.com
 
 
 
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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 17 09:00:22 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Thu Feb 17 09:01:40 2005
Subject: [Husker] John Turek nominated for Award of Excellence
In-Reply-To: <20050216020925.63698.qmail@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050217150022.35420.qmail@web54407.mail.yahoo.com>

Hopefully the people handing out this award didn't see the Husker game last night.  OU opened up the can of whoop a$$ on NU and never put it away.  Turek stunk it up.  0 points and 5 fouls.  Yuck!
 
To me the most telling stat was attendance - less than 8,000.  NU isn't a draw and hasn't been since the glory days of NU basketball under Danny Nee.   
 
Neal Smith 
 
NU Class of 1983
 
 
 Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote:
Nebraska's John Turek has been named to the watch list
for the Collegiate Basketball Award of Excellence.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1337174

Perhaps this is a much more solid example of the
progress that has been made in the Nebraska mens
basketball program under Barry Collier.

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From python3955 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 11:34:56 2005
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Thu Feb 17 11:35:39 2005
Subject: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
References: <f7.4a23c717.2f438561@aol.com> <42143371.000008.00572@JENSENS>
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV1071CAFD0DAD63D52835BED16D0@phx.gbl>

That is a different article, now. The url directed me to the "tears" article 
when it was originally posted. This is what I could find about the original 
article:
  http://tinyurl.com/6vdml

Monty

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From: "Mark & Barbara Jensen" <jensen86@iowatelecom.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears


I missed it...where's the "in tears" part?  or is that just an assumption..
? ;-)

We will rebuild, we will return!
(new e-mail address)
Barb
-------Original Message-------

From: HuskersNY@aol.com
Date: 02/15/05 11:07:20
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears


Never liked Skippy in the least, but I always thought he got a raw deal on
this one. It seemed to be an excuse to get rid of him.  (Of course,  this is
not based on being privy to "all of the facts").   In most  circles, a pool
among friends/acquaintances/colleagues is completely different  from
conventional
gambling.  AND it was a pool in a sport completely  unrelated to his job.



In a message dated 2/15/2005 10:52:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
strongtodd@msn.com writes:

Poor  Skippy.
We reap what we sow.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be  proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message -----
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To: "husker-tssi.com"  <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:37  AM
Subject: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears


>  http://sports.yahoo
com/ncaaf/news?slug=ap-neuheiseltrial&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
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From kleighton at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Feb 12 21:39:38 2005
From: kleighton at tampabay.rr.com (Kim Leighton)
Date: Thu Feb 17 17:21:16 2005
Subject: [Husker] Husker men and women win
References: <200502130310.VAA16858@stork.inebraska.com>
Message-ID: <028601c5117d$a571ccd0$640fa8c0@Kim>

  I watched the women's game on NSide--boy it looked like they were moving 
FAST! All the time. Lots of hustle on the floor. They took some quick shots 
at the beginning that all seemed to hit the basket. Nice job--they're a fun 
team to watch. Good for Connie Yori--she doesn't have to worry about her job 
:-)
  Kim

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Steve Reichenbach" <reich@inetnebr.com>
  To: <husker@tssi.com>
  Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:10 PM
  Subject: [Husker] Husker men and women win


  > The women blew out ISU.  The game was over with 8 or 9 minutes
  > left in the game.  Hardy had 27, I believe.  Gina was an assist
  > short of a double double.  Page, just a freshman, had a great
  > all-around game and is going to be an awesome player.  It was
  > the 3rd largest crowd for a Husker women's game --- over 12K.
  > The women have virtually assured a place in the NCAA tournament
  > and can't be counted out for the Big 12 title.  They have a
  > fairly favorable schedule and are one game behind ISU and 2 games
  > out of the lead with 5 to play.
  >
  > I heard the last minute of the men's game in Baylor.  NU led
  > by 10 with 48 seconds left and 10 minutes later the game was
  > over with the Huskers winning by 11.  The Huskers still have
  > an outside shot at finishing 8-8.
  >
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From kleighton at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Feb 13 13:42:26 2005
From: kleighton at tampabay.rr.com (Kim Leighton)
Date: Thu Feb 17 17:21:17 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Gals Hoops
References: <9a.200c7793.2f40f9e4@aol.com>
	<200502131325020889.004910E5@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00ff01c51204$25fa3190$640fa8c0@Kim>

  There's a second (and final) dollar night coming up on Wed, Feb 23 when 
the girls play #16 Kansas State. Game starts at 7:05.
  Kim

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Bob Beach" <rbeach@neb.rr.com>
  To: <husker@tssi.com>
  Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:25 PM
  Subject: Re: Fwd: [Husker] Gals Hoops


  >
  >
  > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
  >
  > On 2/13/2005 at 1:43 PM NUStLNorris@aol.com wrote:
  >
  >>>I believe that last night's women's game was "dollar night."  Dollar
  >>>admission, dollar hot dogs, dollar soft drinks.  Comparisons to other
  >>>attendance
  >>>figures this year are skewed greatly.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >     I didn't know that.  That would definitely make a huge difference. 
I kind of thought that was a huge crowd compared to the usual.
  >
  >
  > Bob Beach
  > The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't 
know.
  >
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From jbudd at qnet.com  Thu Feb 17 20:06:12 2005
From: jbudd at qnet.com (Jerry Budd)
Date: Thu Feb 17 20:07:45 2005
Subject: [Husker] John Turek nominated for Award of Excellence
In-Reply-To: <20050217150022.35420.qmail@web54407.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050217150022.35420.qmail@web54407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a06200700be3afdab60e7@[192.168.1.100]>

Well, considering the game was in Norman, Oklahoma, 8,000 is pretty good!

>Hopefully the people handing out this award didn't see the Husker 
>game last night.  OU opened up the can of whoop a$$ on NU and never 
>put it away.  Turek stunk it up.  0 points and 5 fouls.  Yuck!
>
>To me the most telling stat was attendance - less than 8,000.  NU 
>isn't a draw and hasn't been since the glory days of NU basketball 
>under Danny Nee.  
>
>Neal Smith
>


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From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Thu Feb 17 23:04:34 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 17 23:08:35 2005
Subject: [Husker] 2005 Husker Baseball Lid-Lifter !!!
Message-ID: <1e4.3538e79c.2f46d162@aol.com>

The Cornhusker baseball team began their season about an hour ago against 
Hawaii - Hilo.  I believe that Hilo lost at least five, if not six, games in the 
opening series against Kansas.  Nebraska begins a five-game series tonight ... 
first pitch was scheduled for 10 p.m. Nebraska time.  NU is scheduled for a 
double-header tomorrow, followed by single games on Saturday and Sunday.

Anyone who can confirm any results early in the morning ... I thank you in 
advance.  

Dave Norris
From dcassada at alltel.net  Thu Feb 17 23:13:40 2005
From: dcassada at alltel.net (David Cassada)
Date: Thu Feb 17 23:17:39 2005
Subject: [Husker] 2005 Husker Baseball Lid-Lifter !!!
In-Reply-To: <1e4.3538e79c.2f46d162@aol.com>
References: <1e4.3538e79c.2f46d162@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050217231121.01b48768@mail.alltel.net>

Huskers.com has the live stats.  Currently its 3-0 Hawaii-Hilo, top of 
4th.  Huskers have been limited to 1 hit so far, while committing 2 errors.

Dave Cassada


At 11:04 PM 2/17/2005, NUStLNorris@aol.com wrote:
>The Cornhusker baseball team began their season about an hour ago against
>Hawaii - Hilo.  I believe that Hilo lost at least five, if not six, games 
>in the
>opening series against Kansas.  Nebraska begins a five-game series tonight 
>...
>first pitch was scheduled for 10 p.m. Nebraska time.  NU is scheduled for a
>double-header tomorrow, followed by single games on Saturday and Sunday.
>
>Anyone who can confirm any results early in the morning ... I thank you in
>advance.
>
>Dave Norris
>_______________________________________________
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>husker@tssi.com
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From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Fri Feb 18 01:34:17 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Fri Feb 18 01:35:56 2005
Subject: [Husker] 2005 Husker Baseball Lid-Lifter !!!
References: <1e4.3538e79c.2f46d162@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009f01c5158c$40d0fd10$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

The game is a final  with the huskers winning 12 to 4.The highlights are 
Fusilier went 1 of 2 at the plate with three RBI on a dinger to left in the 
4th. And he walked his next three at bats. also scored three runs Gordon 
was 0 of 2 with three walks and a stolen base and two runs scored.Then the 
new guy Buckman he eat the pitching up going 4 of 5 with a run scored. the 
huskers only struck out 4 times while getting 9 free passes.Timm came in for 
Kroenke and pitched well coming down 3 zip in the in third gave up 5 hits,1 
earned run, NO free bees and struck out 3. Kroenke's line is this 2.2 
innings pitched 3 runs,on 3 hits,1 hit batter, 2 errors,and 4 strikeouts. 
then Matt Foust started the ninth and his line score is 1.0 inning pitched 
giving 1 hit and a hit batsman. I guess that about sums up the game for 
tonight. I will be at the live stat station tomorrow night with my 
scorebook. I have no life.


Tony Lambert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <NUStLNorris@aol.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:04 PM
Subject: [Husker] 2005 Husker Baseball Lid-Lifter !!!


> The Cornhusker baseball team began their season about an hour ago against
> Hawaii - Hilo.  I believe that Hilo lost at least five, if not six, games 
> in the
> opening series against Kansas.  Nebraska begins a five-game series tonight 
> ...
> first pitch was scheduled for 10 p.m. Nebraska time.  NU is scheduled for 
> a
> double-header tomorrow, followed by single games on Saturday and Sunday.
>
> Anyone who can confirm any results early in the morning ... I thank you in
> advance.
>
> Dave Norris
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
> 


From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Fri Feb 18 07:53:55 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 18 07:58:00 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] 2005 Husker Baseball Lid-Lifter !!!
Message-ID: <88.20c21ee0.2f474d73@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/18/05 1:34:44 AM Central Standard Time, 
slimmer37@hamilton.net writes:


> The game is a final  with the huskers winning 12 to 4.The highlights are 
> Fusilier went 1 of 2 at the plate with three RBI on a dinger to left in the 
> 4th. And he walked his next three at bats. also scored three runs Gordon 
> was 0 of 2 with three walks and a stolen base and two runs scored.Then the 
> new guy Buckman he eat the pitching up going 4 of 5 with a run scored. the 
> huskers only struck out 4 times while getting 9 free passes.Timm came in for 
> 
> Kroenke and pitched well coming down 3 zip in the in third gave up 5 hits,1 
> earned run, NO free bees and struck out 3. Kroenke's line is this 2.2 
> innings pitched 3 runs,on 3 hits,1 hit batter, 2 errors,and 4 strikeouts. 
> then Matt Foust started the ninth and his line score is 1.0 inning pitched 
> giving 1 hit and a hit batsman. I guess that about sums up the game for 
> tonight. I will be at the live stat station tomorrow night with my 
> scorebook. I have no life.

Thanks, Tony.  Good to hear the Huskers rallied.  Nice to see Fusilier 
announce his return with a big fly.  Tonight's double-header starts at 7 p.m. CDT, 
with Chamberlain and Duensing scheduled to pitch.  Saturday and Sunday's single 
games are scheduled to begin at 5 p.m. CDT.  

Dave Norris

From jerry0315 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 18 17:33:06 2005
From: jerry0315 at yahoo.com (Jerry Meyer)
Date: Fri Feb 18 17:34:22 2005
Subject: [Husker] It'll Never Happen
Message-ID: <20050218233306.14717.qmail@web52309.mail.yahoo.com>

I attended a training seminar last night which included a video of a speaker which was made in the mid-1990's.  The speaker was a former high school football coach who used several football related analogies to make various points.  One of his comments was "if you are at Florida, you expect to pass the ball all the time.  If you are at Nebraska, you expect to run the ball all day long and wear down your opponents with your strength up front.  If a team like Colorado happens to beat Nebraska badly one year after losing several years in a row, you won't see Nebraska panic and suddenly switch to a drop back passing attack the next day, they'll keep on playing to their strength."  Well, it wasn't the next day, it took a couple of years.  People around me were wondering why I was about to fall off my chair laughing.....obviously I'm too deep in SEC country for anyone but me to see the humor.
 
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From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sat Feb 19 09:19:47 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sat Feb 19 09:23:49 2005
Subject: [Husker] NU Baseball Wins Two More ... 3 and 0 on young season
Message-ID: <6a.4f647313.2f48b313@aol.com>

NU wins the double-header yesterday with 2-1 and 5-1 wins over 
lightly-regarded Hawaii-Hilo.  Jensen came on in relief to save the first game (I think 
these MAY have been seven inning games).  Big news on the day had to be the 6 
strong innings by Brian Duensing in the second game.  Johnnie Dorn is scheduled 
for today's 5 p.m. CDT start, with Phil Sirek to go tomorrow at the same time.

Dave Norris
From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sat Feb 19 09:36:09 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sat Feb 19 09:37:47 2005
Subject: [Husker] NU Baseball Wins Two More ... 3 and 0 on young season
References: <6a.4f647313.2f48b313@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000401c51698$bc6ac0c0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

The first game was Seven innings. The nightcap was a nine affair that was 
over 12:30 A.M this morning. Buckman had another nice game in the night car 
going 3-4
Tony Lambert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <NUStLNorris@aol.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:19 AM
Subject: [Husker] NU Baseball Wins Two More ... 3 and 0 on young season


> NU wins the double-header yesterday with 2-1 and 5-1 wins over
> lightly-regarded Hawaii-Hilo.  Jensen came on in relief to save the first 
> game (I think
> these MAY have been seven inning games).  Big news on the day had to be 
> the 6
> strong innings by Brian Duensing in the second game.  Johnnie Dorn is 
> scheduled
> for today's 5 p.m. CDT start, with Phil Sirek to go tomorrow at the same 
> time.
>
> Dave Norris
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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 19 10:52:47 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 19 10:53:22 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
Message-ID: <200502191052470514.002E3865@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>


     Andy Birkel called Bill Callahan unprofessional.  What a 20 year old would know about professionalism I am not sure.  However, it appears Birkel is the one that is is unprofessional after getting in trouble.  Maybe Callahan had his reasons for treating Birkel the way he did assuming Birkel was anywhere close to accurate.


http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1338779



Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.


From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Sat Feb 19 11:12:17 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Sat Feb 19 11:12:53 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
Message-ID: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A65D@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com>

Normally I would agree Bob but when I read the interview with Shuler and
how Callahan never called him back after numerous phone calls it just
seems to me that once Callahn has written you off, you're written of.
It's sad really because Shuler was just phenomenal. Especially when
seeing the recruiting films on him and how they usually use a whole
season to get enough highlights and they just used two games because
Shuler was just a major highlight every game. I do wish Birkel well and
have no reason to care about his legal troubles as he's not a Husker
anymore. 

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Beach
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:53 AM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] Birkel


     Andy Birkel called Bill Callahan unprofessional.  What a 20 year
old would know about professionalism I am not sure.  However, it appears
Birkel is the one that is is unprofessional after getting in trouble.
Maybe Callahan had his reasons for treating Birkel the way he did
assuming Birkel was anywhere close to accurate.


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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 19 11:41:23 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Sat Feb 19 11:42:41 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
In-Reply-To: <200502191052470514.002E3865@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20050219174123.41889.qmail@web30410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Coaches today have to act as mentors and substitute
parents; whether or not that should be the case, that
is the reality of today.

Every 20 year old does stupid things.  Some of those
stupid things are also against the law, as is the case
in the allegations against Andy Birkel.  In this case,
if Birkel is guilty, he will suffer the appropriate
penalty and hopefully learn a lesson.

Bill Callahan, on the other hand, is paid well over a
million dollars a year to lead young men. He was hired
to lead the Nebraska football team, not just recruit
new players. When he fails to do that (as Birkel
alleges), he is failing to do the job that he is being
paid very well to do.

As I remember the allegations by Birkel, Birkel
believes that Callahan had his reasons.  But Birkel
insists that Callahan refused to say what (a) Birkel
was doing wrong or (b) Birkel needed to do.

The fact that Andy Birkel screwed up 2 months later
doesn't diminish Birkel's allegations.  If anything,
it magnifies the problem that Birkel alleges. Perhaps
if Birkel was still part of the program, he might not
have been out drinking that night, as has been
alleged.

--- Bob Beach <rbeach@neb.rr.com> wrote:
>      Andy Birkel called Bill Callahan
> unprofessional.  What a 20 year old would know about
> professionalism I am not sure.  However, it appears
> Birkel is the one that is is unprofessional after
> getting in trouble.  Maybe Callahan had his reasons
> for treating Birkel the way he did assuming Birkel
> was anywhere close to accurate.
> 
> 
> http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1338779


=====
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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 19 11:43:25 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 19 11:44:06 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
In-Reply-To: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A65D@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com>
References: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A65D@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com>
Message-ID: <200502191143250154.00203CCE@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>


Sean McGrath wrote:


>>Normally I would agree Bob but when I read the interview with Shuler and
>>how Callahan never called him back after numerous phone calls it just
>>seems to me that once Callahn has written you off, you're written off.



      I believe you are right about that.  However, that doesn't mean certain people don't deserve to be written off.





>>It's sad really because Shuler was just phenomenal. Especially when
>>seeing the recruiting films on him and how they usually use a whole
>>season to get enough highlights and they just used two games because
>>Shuler was just a major highlight every game.



     I am in no way saying coaches can't make mistakes.  They are human and can make a mistake as easily as the next guy.  But I do know one thing about 99% of coaches.  They want to win infinitely more than than the fans do.  After all you and I have nothing to lose if we are wrong about a play call or a player evaluation.  But it is the coaches livelihood that is at stake.  If a player is obviously phenomenal to you and me I have to believe the coach can see that as well.  As much as a coach would want to win, if he dismisses a phenomenal player I would have to believe there are other mitigating circumstances.  




 I do wish Birkel well and
>>have no reason to care about his legal troubles as he's not a Husker
>>anymore.


     I don't care about their legal troubles even if they are a Husker.  I just thought it was news worthy as the article appeared in the Omaha World Herald.  It isn't like we don't discuss former Huskers.  We talk about Eric Crouch every now and then, for example, and he hasn't been a Husker for two years. 


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.




     


From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 19 12:01:55 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 19 12:02:28 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Birkel
References: <20050219174123.41889.qmail@web30410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200502191201550904.00312FAC@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>


On 2/19/2005 at 9:41 AM Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>
>>The fact that Andy Birkel screwed up 2 months later
>>doesn't diminish Birkel's allegations.  If anything,
>>it magnifies the problem that Birkel alleges. Perhaps
>>if Birkel was still part of the program, he might not
>>have been out drinking that night, as has been
>>alleged.




      There is no possible way anyone could know if Birkel was still on the football team he would or wouldn't have been out drinking.  Being on the team never seemed a deterrent for many people.  To point at Callahan, even speculatory, for not keeping Birkel on the team which lead to his troubles with the law is really reaching.  A coach cannot keep someone on the team just because at some point in time that person may get into trouble if he is not on the team.  I still maintain that while a 20 year old may have feelings on how he was treated in a given situation most 20 year olds have little concept of professionalism. 



Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.



From strongtodd at msn.com  Sat Feb 19 14:04:55 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Sat Feb 19 14:05:36 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
References: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A65D@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com>
	<200502191143250154.00203CCE@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV299253CD3DB8FC08CA2AF5CD6F0@phx.gbl>

Bob, nobody deserves to be written off.
There are no "bad" kids.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Beach" <rbeach@neb.rr.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [Husker] Birkel


>
> Sean McGrath wrote:
>
>
>>>Normally I would agree Bob but when I read the interview with Shuler and
>>>how Callahan never called him back after numerous phone calls it just
>>>seems to me that once Callahn has written you off, you're written off.
>
>
>
>      I believe you are right about that.  However, that doesn't mean 
> certain people don't deserve to be written off.
>
>
>
>
>
>>>It's sad really because Shuler was just phenomenal. Especially when
>>>seeing the recruiting films on him and how they usually use a whole
>>>season to get enough highlights and they just used two games because
>>>Shuler was just a major highlight every game.
>
>
>
>     I am in no way saying coaches can't make mistakes.  They are human and 
> can make a mistake as easily as the next guy.  But I do know one thing 
> about 99% of coaches.  They want to win infinitely more than than the fans 
> do.  After all you and I have nothing to lose if we are wrong about a play 
> call or a player evaluation.  But it is the coaches livelihood that is at 
> stake.  If a player is obviously phenomenal to you and me I have to 
> believe the coach can see that as well.  As much as a coach would want to 
> win, if he dismisses a phenomenal player I would have to believe there are 
> other mitigating circumstances.
>
>
>
>
> I do wish Birkel well and
>>>have no reason to care about his legal troubles as he's not a Husker
>>>anymore.
>
>
>     I don't care about their legal troubles even if they are a Husker.  I 
> just thought it was news worthy as the article appeared in the Omaha World 
> Herald.  It isn't like we don't discuss former Huskers.  We talk about 
> Eric Crouch every now and then, for example, and he hasn't been a Husker 
> for two years.
>
>
> Bob Beach
> The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't 
> know.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
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> 

From reich at inetnebr.com  Sat Feb 19 14:37:46 2005
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Sat Feb 19 14:41:46 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Birkel
Message-ID: <200502192037.OAA10672@stork.inebraska.com>

Seems to me that you didn't mind "speculating" that there was some
connection (implying perhaps even justification) between how Callahan
treated Birkel and this incident.  When you complain about speculation
that counters your speculation it doesn't really make much of an
argument.

> There is no possible way anyone could know if Birkel was still
> on the football team he would or wouldn't have been out drinking.
> Being on the team never seemed a deterrent for many people.  To point
> at Callahan, even speculatory, for not keeping Birkel on the team which
> lead to his troubles with the law is really reaching.  A coach cannot
> keep someone on the team just because at some point in time that person
> may get into trouble if he is not on the team.  I still maintain that
> while a 20 year old may have feelings on how he was treated in a given
> situation most 20 year olds have little concept of professionalism.

Then, does it make sense to run the program in a way that treats
kids just out of high school like professionals?  Personally, I liked
that Osborne and Solich had a clear sense of responsibility for the
players that extended beyond their participation in football.

From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 19 14:44:03 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 19 14:44:33 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: Re[2]: [Husker] Birkel
References: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A65D@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com>
	<200502191143250154.00203CCE@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
	<BAY4-DAV299253CD3DB8FC08CA2AF5CD6F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200502191444030170.00C59CCE@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>



On 2/19/2005 at 2:04 PM todd strong <strongtodd@msn.com> wrote:

>>Bob, nobody deserves to be written off.



      Depends what you mean by "written off."  I was using this in a football sense.  If it is determined a player can't cut it or is a player the coach can do nothing with sometimes the cord just has to be cut.  Many times it is nothing more than a program going in a different direction, which I believe is a lot of what happened at NU.  Many times it goes deeper than that.  I believe as a coach one has to work with a player as much as possible.  But, I don't believe given time a coach is obligated to continue working with a player regardless of the circumstances.





>>There are no "bad" kids.


     You and I disagree here.  I believe kids, as well as other people, fall into three different categories.  Those that try to do the right thing and are good people, those that with help and response to that help can lead a productive life, and those that will never amount to anything because they are not willing to be helped.  I have never seen a kid yet that you have to teach them to do wrong.  Every kid I have ever seen you have to teach them to do right.  Education is kind of like the the old saying, "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."  The only way education is going to help anyone is if after they are taught they are willing to apply those principles to daily life.  Unfortunately there are far too many that resist.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.    



From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 19 15:01:03 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 19 15:01:18 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Birkel
In-Reply-To: <200502192037.OAA10672@stork.inebraska.com>
References: <200502192037.OAA10672@stork.inebraska.com>
Message-ID: <200502191501030467.00D52E57@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>




On 2/19/2005 at 2:37 PM Steve Reichenbach wrote:

>>Seems to me that you didn't mind "speculating" that there was some
>>connection (implying perhaps even justification) between how Callahan
>>treated Birkel and this incident.  When you complain about speculation
>>that counters your speculation it doesn't really make much of an
>>argument.



     You're right.  I am doing that.  But, I am doing it deliberately.  There is a reason.  I am getting weary of every time something seemingly negative comes out of Husker camp between a coach and a player it is automatically Callahan's fault or some coaches fault.  It is never the players fault.  I am also weary of it is always Pederson's fault or it was Pederson that lied no matter what.  Something else you are right about.  It is ALL speculation.  Most of us don't know any more than the next person about what goes on in Husker camp.  We tend to rely on the media for our information.  So, beings virtually everyone else is speculating against on the staff I thought I would speculate in favor of the staff for some balance.  And it is not playing Devil's advocate.  As you said and I agree nobody knows a hill of beans any more than anyone else.  If you take the entirety of posts to this list in a years time I would believe the lion's share of posts fall under the category of speculation or just flat out guessing, mine included.  We could knock that out but there would be precious little left of this list.


     The bottom line here is no one is sure at all whether Callahan treated Birkel, or any other player, justly or not.  And, we will never know for sure until we hear both sides of the story from those involved in person.  The likelihood of that happening is slim and none and Slim just left town on the last stage.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.


 


From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 19 15:07:48 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 19 15:08:05 2005
Subject: [Husker] Vermeil
Message-ID: <200502191507480810.00DB5DB7@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>

     Dick Vermeil to speak at NU Coaches CLinic


http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8210040


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.


From shubs at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 19 16:33:17 2005
From: shubs at sbcglobal.net (SShubs)
Date: Sat Feb 19 16:34:09 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Birkel
In-Reply-To: <200502191501030467.00D52E57@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BBEFKABPGJDMIALMEGLPIEJADPAA.shubs@sbcglobal.net>

Bob,
	You are right on target.  We seem to take anything in the media as truth.
At best it is one version of one side of the truth.  However we should be
treating their stories as little better than a bad rumor.  The chain of
speculation gets further and further from what is probably the case.

	The constant blaming Callahan or Pederson for everything from some person's
comments without a single response from Pederson or Callahan is ludicrous.
Furthermore, those two aren't going to respond to those articles, because it
ends up taking shots back at the complainer.  There is no virtue in that.
There is no chance that anything they could say would help.  That kind of
stuff shouldn't be played out in the media.  That kind of stuff is cleared
up behind closed doors.  And yet... we act like this is our business and we
are owed an explanation.  We need to lighten up and realize that at best we
are getting one side of the story.  At worst, we are getting the reporters
side of the story.  I have come to take reporters with an enormous grain of
salt.

	Thanks Bob for again pointing our way out of these rumor skirmishes.

Stephen Shubert
Husker in Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
Of Bob Beach
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:01 PM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re[2]: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Birkel





On 2/19/2005 at 2:37 PM Steve Reichenbach wrote:

>>Seems to me that you didn't mind "speculating" that there was some
>>connection (implying perhaps even justification) between how Callahan
>>treated Birkel and this incident.  When you complain about speculation
>>that counters your speculation it doesn't really make much of an
>>argument.



     You're right.  I am doing that.  But, I am doing it deliberately.
There is a reason.  I am getting weary of every time something seemingly
negative comes out of Husker camp between a coach and a player it is
automatically Callahan's fault or some coaches fault.  It is never the
players fault.  I am also weary of it is always Pederson's fault or it was
Pederson that lied no matter what.  Something else you are right about.  It
is ALL speculation.  Most of us don't know any more than the next person
about what goes on in Husker camp.  We tend to rely on the media for our
information.  So, beings virtually everyone else is speculating against on
the staff I thought I would speculate in favor of the staff for some
balance.  And it is not playing Devil's advocate.  As you said and I agree
nobody knows a hill of beans any more than anyone else.  If you take the
entirety of posts to this list in a years time I would believe the lion's
share of posts fall under the category of!
  speculation or just flat out guessing, mine included.  We could knock that
out but there would be precious little left of this list.


     The bottom line here is no one is sure at all whether Callahan treated
Birkel, or any other player, justly or not.  And, we will never know for
sure until we hear both sides of the story from those involved in person.
The likelihood of that happening is slim and none and Slim just left town on
the last stage.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.





_______________________________________________
husker site list
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http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker

From strongtodd at msn.com  Sat Feb 19 19:07:13 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Sat Feb 19 19:08:37 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Birkel
References: <200502192037.OAA10672@stork.inebraska.com>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV1644B1D22D527D5812F7F6CD600@phx.gbl>

Steve R. wrote:  (Personally, I liked
that Osborne and Solich had a clear sense of responsibility for the
players that extended beyond their participation in football.)

That should be engraved on a placque and placed on campus somewhere. Not the 
reference to Osborne or Solich necessarily, but the message Steve intended 
is as true as true gets.


"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Reichenbach" <reich@inetnebr.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>; <rbeach@neb.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Birkel


> Seems to me that you didn't mind "speculating" that there was some
> connection (implying perhaps even justification) between how Callahan
> treated Birkel and this incident.  When you complain about speculation
> that counters your speculation it doesn't really make much of an
> argument.
>
>> There is no possible way anyone could know if Birkel was still
>> on the football team he would or wouldn't have been out drinking.
>> Being on the team never seemed a deterrent for many people.  To point
>> at Callahan, even speculatory, for not keeping Birkel on the team which
>> lead to his troubles with the law is really reaching.  A coach cannot
>> keep someone on the team just because at some point in time that person
>> may get into trouble if he is not on the team.  I still maintain that
>> while a 20 year old may have feelings on how he was treated in a given
>> situation most 20 year olds have little concept of professionalism.
>
> Then, does it make sense to run the program in a way that treats
> kids just out of high school like professionals?  Personally, I liked
> that Osborne and Solich had a clear sense of responsibility for the
> players that extended beyond their participation in football.
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
> 

From strongtodd at msn.com  Sat Feb 19 19:08:38 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Sat Feb 19 19:09:37 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
References: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A65D@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com><200502191143250154.00203CCE@smtp-server.neb.rr.com><BAY4-DAV299253CD3DB8FC08CA2AF5CD6F0@phx.gbl>
	<200502191444030170.00C59CCE@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV6D8806C164B19DA3EB7B3CD600@phx.gbl>

Bob....they been leading you to the water for awhile here, drink the darn 
kool-aid and get on board man! :)


"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Beach" <rbeach@neb.rr.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:44 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Re[2]: [Husker] Birkel


>
>
> On 2/19/2005 at 2:04 PM todd strong <strongtodd@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>>Bob, nobody deserves to be written off.
>
>
>
>      Depends what you mean by "written off."  I was using this in a 
> football sense.  If it is determined a player can't cut it or is a player 
> the coach can do nothing with sometimes the cord just has to be cut.  Many 
> times it is nothing more than a program going in a different direction, 
> which I believe is a lot of what happened at NU.  Many times it goes 
> deeper than that.  I believe as a coach one has to work with a player as 
> much as possible.  But, I don't believe given time a coach is obligated to 
> continue working with a player regardless of the circumstances.
>
>
>
>
>
>>>There are no "bad" kids.
>
>
>     You and I disagree here.  I believe kids, as well as other people, 
> fall into three different categories.  Those that try to do the right 
> thing and are good people, those that with help and response to that help 
> can lead a productive life, and those that will never amount to anything 
> because they are not willing to be helped.  I have never seen a kid yet 
> that you have to teach them to do wrong.  Every kid I have ever seen you 
> have to teach them to do right.  Education is kind of like the the old 
> saying, "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."  The 
> only way education is going to help anyone is if after they are taught 
> they are willing to apply those principles to daily life.  Unfortunately 
> there are far too many that resist.
>
>
> Bob Beach
> The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't 
> know.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
> 

From strongtodd at msn.com  Sat Feb 19 22:14:09 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Sat Feb 19 22:15:37 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Birkel
References: <BBEFKABPGJDMIALMEGLPIEJADPAA.shubs@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV158E19D6BF0A4BB715E502CD600@phx.gbl>

shubs........I am entitled to an explanation. Certainly not in minute detail 
or anything, but the things mentioned here are a recurring theme. Pederson 
and Callahan, have asked me to support them, to trust them,
to support the product they put n the field and in the classroom. I have 
done my part.
Also, if anyone calls me a liar. If anyone makes a claim against me that is 
baseless, untrue or otherwise, I will defend my honor, my school, my name 
and my pride in any means necessary, especially the means by which I was 
attacked. All with a pure motive of course.


"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SShubs" <shubs@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Bob Beach" <rbeach@neb.rr.com>; <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Birkel


> Bob,
> You are right on target.  We seem to take anything in the media as truth.
> At best it is one version of one side of the truth.  However we should be
> treating their stories as little better than a bad rumor.  The chain of
> speculation gets further and further from what is probably the case.
>
> The constant blaming Callahan or Pederson for everything from some 
> person's
> comments without a single response from Pederson or Callahan is ludicrous.
> Furthermore, those two aren't going to respond to those articles, because 
> it
> ends up taking shots back at the complainer.  There is no virtue in that.
> There is no chance that anything they could say would help.  That kind of
> stuff shouldn't be played out in the media.  That kind of stuff is cleared
> up behind closed doors.  And yet... we act like this is our business and 
> we
> are owed an explanation.  We need to lighten up and realize that at best 
> we
> are getting one side of the story.  At worst, we are getting the reporters
> side of the story.  I have come to take reporters with an enormous grain 
> of
> salt.
>
> Thanks Bob for again pointing our way out of these rumor skirmishes.
>
> Stephen Shubert
> Husker in Michigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
> Of Bob Beach
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:01 PM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Re[2]: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Birkel
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/19/2005 at 2:37 PM Steve Reichenbach wrote:
>
>>>Seems to me that you didn't mind "speculating" that there was some
>>>connection (implying perhaps even justification) between how Callahan
>>>treated Birkel and this incident.  When you complain about speculation
>>>that counters your speculation it doesn't really make much of an
>>>argument.
>
>
>
>     You're right.  I am doing that.  But, I am doing it deliberately.
> There is a reason.  I am getting weary of every time something seemingly
> negative comes out of Husker camp between a coach and a player it is
> automatically Callahan's fault or some coaches fault.  It is never the
> players fault.  I am also weary of it is always Pederson's fault or it was
> Pederson that lied no matter what.  Something else you are right about. 
> It
> is ALL speculation.  Most of us don't know any more than the next person
> about what goes on in Husker camp.  We tend to rely on the media for our
> information.  So, beings virtually everyone else is speculating against on
> the staff I thought I would speculate in favor of the staff for some
> balance.  And it is not playing Devil's advocate.  As you said and I agree
> nobody knows a hill of beans any more than anyone else.  If you take the
> entirety of posts to this list in a years time I would believe the lion's
> share of posts fall under the category of!
>  speculation or just flat out guessing, mine included.  We could knock 
> that
> out but there would be precious little left of this list.
>
>
>     The bottom line here is no one is sure at all whether Callahan treated
> Birkel, or any other player, justly or not.  And, we will never know for
> sure until we hear both sides of the story from those involved in person.
> The likelihood of that happening is slim and none and Slim just left town 
> on
> the last stage.
>
>
> Bob Beach
> The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't 
> know.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
>
> _______________________________________________
> husker site list
> husker@tssi.com
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> 

From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 20 11:51:38 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 20 11:52:15 2005
Subject: [Husker] Steroids
Message-ID: <200502201151380625.054E208A@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>


    There was this article in the Sunday Journal-Star about testing for steroids at NU.  The article indicates there has been testing of one form or another since 1980.  It also indicates players have been removed from the team because of steroid use.  Osborne stated he could not remember a positive test after the first series of tests where the first year two or three tested positive and then the next year one tested positive.  


    We talk about hearing things second hand on this list and question how reliable it is.  I am going to say something about this steroid issue and I can't name names for obvious reasons.  It is your choice to believe me or not but this is straight from the horses mouth.  I know personally a player that was a starting linebacker at NU from 1980-1982.  He played in the Penn State game when the end zone got real wide all of a sudden.  I know most all of you would recognize the name.  I flat asked him about steroid use when he was at NU.  He said it went on more than one knew and he named names.  This guy isn't a Jose Canseco type as he had nothing to gain by telling me.  He just figured I was a friend and we were having a friendly conversation.  Two of the names he mentioned were players that were awarded for being the best at their position in the country in different years.  I don't say this because I think NU is any different than any other program.  I just find it is amazing Osborne for 23 years didn't have one positive test.  Of course, TO isn't saying no one was on steroids.  He is just saying that of those tested no one tested positive.      


http://tinyurl.com/5t5bh


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.


From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 20 11:51:51 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Sun Feb 20 11:53:06 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
In-Reply-To: <200502191052470514.002E3865@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20050220175151.33649.qmail@web54405.mail.yahoo.com>

I see Callahan as one whose job it is to clean up this program by getting rid of criminals like Birkel, drug addicts like David Horne, and thugs like Richie Incognito.  For too long Solich and TO coddled criminals in the name of winning.  No more!  There is a new sherrif in town!
 
Neal Smith 
 
NU Class of 1983

Bob Beach <rbeach@neb.rr.com> wrote:

Andy Birkel called Bill Callahan unprofessional. What a 20 year old would know about professionalism I am not sure. However, it appears Birkel is the one that is is unprofessional after getting in trouble. Maybe Callahan had his reasons for treating Birkel the way he did assuming Birkel was anywhere close to accurate.


http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1338779



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From SLawson at uamail.albany.edu  Sun Feb 20 11:59:56 2005
From: SLawson at uamail.albany.edu (Scott Lawson)
Date: Sun Feb 20 12:00:33 2005
Subject: [Husker] Steroids
Message-ID: <606EB32565100B4DB32CB3423FACD310025A8514@email2.albany.edu>

I personally know people who will shoot up stuff for a couple months at a
time, and then the stuff will leave their system after a while, renedering
them "clean" (but a heck of a lot stronger)- drug testing in it's present
form is a joke, Bob, and I'm sure it's the same at every level. How many
guys in the NFL get caught each year? 4 or 5? Does anyone really think
there's only 4-5 players in the NFL on the juice?

Scott in NY

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
Of Bob Beach
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:52 PM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] Steroids



    There was this article in the Sunday Journal-Star about testing for
steroids at NU.  The article indicates there has been testing of one form or
another since 1980.  It also indicates players have been removed from the
team because of steroid use.  Osborne stated he could not remember a
positive test after the first series of tests where the first year two or
three tested positive and then the next year one tested positive.  


    We talk about hearing things second hand on this list and question how
reliable it is.  I am going to say something about this steroid issue and I
can't name names for obvious reasons.  It is your choice to believe me or
not but this is straight from the horses mouth.  I know personally a player
that was a starting linebacker at NU from 1980-1982.  He played in the Penn
State game when the end zone got real wide all of a sudden.  I know most all
of you would recognize the name.  I flat asked him about steroid use when he
was at NU.  He said it went on more than one knew and he named names.  This
guy isn't a Jose Canseco type as he had nothing to gain by telling me.  He
just figured I was a friend and we were having a friendly conversation.  Two
of the names he mentioned were players that were awarded for being the best
at their position in the country in different years.  I don't say this
because I think NU is any different than any other program.  I just find it
is amaz!
 ing Osborne for 23 years didn't have one positive test.  Of course, TO
isn't saying no one was on steroids.  He is just saying that of those tested
no one tested positive.      


http://tinyurl.com/5t5bh


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.


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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 20 12:32:01 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 20 12:32:32 2005
Subject: [Husker] Steroids
In-Reply-To: <606EB32565100B4DB32CB3423FACD310025A8514@email2.albany.edu>
References: <606EB32565100B4DB32CB3423FACD310025A8514@email2.albany.edu>
Message-ID: <200502201232010265.057317FB@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>




On 2/20/2005 at 12:59 PM Scott Lawson wrote:

>>I personally know people who will shoot up stuff for a couple months at
>>a
>>time, and then the stuff will leave their system after a while, renedering
>>them "clean" (but a heck of a lot stronger)-




   I agree.  It does indeed make a difference in who you test and when the tests are given.  As I said, TO didn't say he had no knowledge of anyone using steroids.  He just said no one tested positive.  Its two different things.






>> drug testing in it's present
>>form is a joke, Bob, and I'm sure it's the same at every level. How many
>>guys in the NFL get caught each year? 4 or 5? Does anyone really think
>>there's only 4-5 players in the NFL on the juice?



     This is only a guess but I would guess that percentage wise it would be more rampant in the NFL than in MLB.  The big reason MLB is taking the hit is because of it's previous lack of testing and the records which are being assaulted.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.






From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Sun Feb 20 12:38:25 2005
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Sun Feb 20 12:39:04 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
In-Reply-To: <20050220175151.33649.qmail@web54405.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050220175151.33649.qmail@web54405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06210208be3e896c447a@[192.168.1.4]>

Neal Smith wrote:

>I see Callahan as one whose job it is to clean up this program by 
>getting rid of criminals like Birkel, drug addicts like David Horne, 
>and thugs like Richie Incognito.  For too long Solich and TO coddled 
>criminals in the name of winning.  No more!  There is a new sherrif 
>in town!

With friends like this, the Huskers don't need enemies.

Steve Stone

From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 20 13:24:55 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 20 13:25:27 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
In-Reply-To: <p06210208be3e896c447a@[192.168.1.4]>
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>>Neal Smith wrote:
>>
>>>I see Callahan as one whose job it is to clean up this program by 
>>>getting rid of criminals like Birkel, drug addicts like David Horne, 
>>>and thugs like Richie Incognito.  For too long Solich and TO coddled 
>>>criminals in the name of winning.  No more!  There is a new sherrif 
>>>in town!




     While I probably wouldn't word it the way you did I do agree with you in principle.  I believe the coach has to set the standards and if a player chooses to violate the standards he needs to be dealt with.  If discipline shouldn't be forth coming why set standards at all?  TO was/is a very intelligent man.  Because of his intelligence he knew exactly why he was popular in Nebraska.  He won football games.  Have TO be exactly the same man from his integrity, leadership, graduation rate, being a role model, and running a clean program while not breaking .500 and I doubt we would be talking about how great a man he was/is.  I doubt seriously he would have been popular enough to run for Congress and win.  We recognize the quality of the man because he got our attention by winning.  TO understood that and even though he was a man of integrity I always felt once in a while he would look the other way in the name of winning.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.


From strongtodd at msn.com  Sun Feb 20 13:39:10 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Sun Feb 20 13:40:44 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
References: <20050220175151.33649.qmail@web54405.mail.yahoo.com>
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I wonder aloud, is Neal Smith a donor of .......what was the term again?

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Stone" <sstone@pvtnetworks.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Birkel


> Neal Smith wrote:
> 
>>I see Callahan as one whose job it is to clean up this program by 
>>getting rid of criminals like Birkel, drug addicts like David Horne, 
>>and thugs like Richie Incognito.  For too long Solich and TO coddled 
>>criminals in the name of winning.  No more!  There is a new sherrif 
>>in town!
> 
> With friends like this, the Huskers don't need enemies.
> 
> Steve Stone
> 
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From husker at communicomm.com  Sun Feb 20 17:45:56 2005
From: husker at communicomm.com (Mike and Kelly Petersen)
Date: Sun Feb 20 17:43:33 2005
Subject: [Husker] Steroids
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Message-ID: <002501c517a6$53119b80$29148f18@husker>


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Beach <rbeach@neb.rr.com>



" He just figured I was a friend and we were having a friendly conversation.
"

It's likely he won't make that mistake again.

"TO understood that and even though he was a man of integrity I always felt
once in a while he would look the other way in the name of winning."

Osborne was not known for kicking a player off of the team every time there
was an accusation. He would usually wait for the evidence to play out.
Sometimes it was correct and then there were actions. Those times he usually
took the heat for waiting so long. Other times the accusations proved to be
false. Those times there was usually not a "second story" in the press
saying he was right to wait.
"Look the other way in the name of winning"? Not likely.

Mike Petersen


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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 20 18:58:51 2005
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Sun Feb 20 19:00:13 2005
Subject: [Husker] Steroids
In-Reply-To: <002501c517a6$53119b80$29148f18@husker>
Message-ID: <20050221005851.46259.qmail@web54105.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree with you Mike. This idea that these KIDS dont
deserve a second and maybe even a third chance is a
bunch of bull. It must be nice to be like Bob and Neal
and never to have made a mistake or need a second
chance. I know if it werent for second or even third
chances I would not be the person I am today nor would
I be in the position I am today. 
--- Mike and Kelly Petersen <husker@communicomm.com>
wrote:

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Beach <rbeach@neb.rr.com>
> 
> 
> 
> " He just figured I was a friend and we were having
> a friendly conversation.
> "
> 
> It's likely he won't make that mistake again.
> 
> "TO understood that and even though he was a man of
> integrity I always felt
> once in a while he would look the other way in the
> name of winning."
> 
> Osborne was not known for kicking a player off of
> the team every time there
> was an accusation. He would usually wait for the
> evidence to play out.
> Sometimes it was correct and then there were
> actions. Those times he usually
> took the heat for waiting so long. Other times the
> accusations proved to be
> false. Those times there was usually not a "second
> story" in the press
> saying he was right to wait.
> "Look the other way in the name of winning"? Not
> likely.
> 
> Mike Petersen
> 
> 
>  >
> > http://tinyurl.com/5t5bh
> >
> >
> > Bob Beach
> > The more one knows the more one realizes how much
> there is one doesn't
> know.
> >
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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 20 22:24:39 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Sun Feb 20 22:25:56 2005
Subject: [Husker] Steroids
In-Reply-To: <20050221005851.46259.qmail@web54105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050221042439.66612.qmail@web54402.mail.yahoo.com>

Mike and Kelly, cut it out with the attacks on me.  We are suppose to be friends here.  
 
Concerning steroids, if TO didn't look the other way when steroids were being used by his football players, Husker football wouldn't have had all of those Big 8 championships and consecutive 9 + win seasons.
 
Neal Smith 
 
NU Class of 1983
 


j j <jjj112665@yahoo.com> wrote:
I agree with you Mike. This idea that these KIDS dont
deserve a second and maybe even a third chance is a
bunch of bull. It must be nice to be like Bob and Neal
and never to have made a mistake or need a second
chance. I know if it werent for second or even third
chances I would not be the person I am today nor would
I be in the position I am today. 
--- Mike and Kelly Petersen 
wrote:

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Beach 
> 
> 
> 
> " He just figured I was a friend and we were having
> a friendly conversation.
> "
> 
> It's likely he won't make that mistake again.
> 
> "TO understood that and even though he was a man of
> integrity I always felt
> once in a while he would look the other way in the
> name of winning."
> 
> Osborne was not known for kicking a player off of
> the team every time there
> was an accusation. He would usually wait for the
> evidence to play out.
> Sometimes it was correct and then there were
> actions. Those times he usually
> took the heat for waiting so long. Other times the
> accusations proved to be
> false. Those times there was usually not a "second
> story" in the press
> saying he was right to wait.
> "Look the other way in the name of winning"? Not
> likely.
> 
> Mike Petersen
> 
> 
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/5t5bh
> >
> >
> > Bob Beach
> > The more one knows the more one realizes how much
> there is one doesn't
> know.
> >
> >
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From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Sun Feb 20 23:41:20 2005
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Sun Feb 20 23:41:59 2005
Subject: [Husker] Steroids
In-Reply-To: <20050221042439.66612.qmail@web54402.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050221042439.66612.qmail@web54402.mail.yahoo.com>
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Neal Smith wrote:

>Mike and Kelly, cut it out with the attacks on me.  We are suppose 
>to be friends here.

Neal's definition of "friend" certainly doesn't include the Huskers.

>Concerning steroids, if TO didn't look the other way when steroids 
>were being used by his football players, Husker football wouldn't 
>have had all of those Big 8 championships and consecutive 9 + win 
>seasons.

See comment above.

Steve Stone

From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Mon Feb 21 00:05:22 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Mon Feb 21 00:46:53 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids
References: <20050221042439.66612.qmail@web54402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200502210005220921.022AE4AC@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>


>>j j <jjj112665@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>I agree with you Mike. This idea that these KIDS dont
>>deserve a second and maybe even a third chance is a
>>bunch of bull. It must be nice to be like Bob and Neal
>>and never to have made a mistake or need a second
>>chance. I know if it werent for second or even third
>>chances I would not be the person I am today nor would
>>I be in the position I am today. 


     You, obviously, missed the point of my post.  If my post came across like I have never made a mistake then you missed it big time.  I don't have the time or the energy to explain it to you.  Why stop with a second or third chance?  Why not go for a 59th or 60th chance?  How far do you want to go?  Are rules to be followed or not?  Let's just break the rules over and over again and at some point we get it together.  I am happy for you that you got many many chances to figure it out without repercussion. Most people don't get that opportunity.  


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.      


From python3955 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 21 03:04:18 2005
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Mon Feb 21 03:05:37 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV5FEEB9E0313F7A4FAA2F7D1610@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Beach"
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [Husker] Birkel

<snip>

>  TO understood that and even though he was a man of integrity I always 
> felt once in a while he would look the other way in the name of winning.
>
>
> Bob Beach
> The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't 
> know.

I have often thought Bob was a buffalo fan hiding out on the Husker list, 
but now I think I have proof! (just kidding..ha ha) Seriously, I have heard 
several things that people thought TO handled poorly, but have never heard a 
Husker fan accuse him of looking the other way in the name of winning, until 
now. Of all the discrepancies he has been accused of, I ALWAYS believed his 
actions were honestly meant for the benefit of the student, not for winning 
any games. I guess his book "More than winning" was just a......

The ball is in your court, Bob....

Monty

From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 21 07:04:57 2005
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Mon Feb 21 07:06:18 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids
In-Reply-To: <200502210005220921.022AE4AC@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20050221130457.61604.qmail@web54101.mail.yahoo.com>

I never said there shouldn't be reprecussions. I just
think that it is silly to give up on someone for
making a mistake. We all make them and it seems by
your post that you think that if these kids make them
that NU should just kick them off the team and forget
about them. I think that you have to look at every
situation and every person differently and judge how
to punish them by that. I think 99% of the time TO
knew what he was doing when he punished a kid and when
he let him back on the team and it wasn't always about
whether the kid could help him win or not. I'm sure
that there were kids that hardly ever played that were
treated just the same. 


--- Bob Beach <rbeach@neb.rr.com> wrote:

> 
> >>j j <jjj112665@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>I agree with you Mike. This idea that these KIDS
> dont
> >>deserve a second and maybe even a third chance is
> a
> >>bunch of bull. It must be nice to be like Bob and
> Neal
> >>and never to have made a mistake or need a second
> >>chance. I know if it werent for second or even
> third
> >>chances I would not be the person I am today nor
> would
> >>I be in the position I am today. 
> 
> 
>      You, obviously, missed the point of my post. 
> If my post came across like I have never made a
> mistake then you missed it big time.  I don't have
> the time or the energy to explain it to you.  Why
> stop with a second or third chance?  Why not go for
> a 59th or 60th chance?  How far do you want to go? 
> Are rules to be followed or not?  Let's just break
> the rules over and over again and at some point we
> get it together.  I am happy for you that you got
> many many chances to figure it out without
> repercussion. Most people don't get that
> opportunity.  
> 
> 
> Bob Beach
> The more one knows the more one realizes how much
> there is one doesn't know.      
> 
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From reich at inetnebr.com  Mon Feb 21 08:02:20 2005
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Mon Feb 21 08:06:21 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids
Message-ID: <200502211402.IAA17569@stork.inebraska.com>

Bob Beach:
> You, obviously, missed the point of my post.  If my post came across
> like I have never made a mistake then you missed it big time.  I don't
> have the time or the energy to explain it to you.  Why stop with a
> second or third chance?  Why not go for a 59th or 60th chance?  How far
> do you want to go?

Someone suggested that even seven times is not enough and gave the
number seventy times seven.  Of course, he wasn't a football coach.

From jonlists at cbsol.com  Mon Feb 21 08:34:29 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Mon Feb 21 08:42:12 2005
Subject: [Husker] Alex Gordon story
Message-ID: <OF373FB30A.D8888296-ON86256FAF.004F4E4E-86256FAF.004F6FB8@cbsol.com>

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/college/050113gordon.html

in Baseball America. Very good story..... if nothing else, but to get 
something else going. 

Anyone notice how threads of late quickly devolve into nothing about the 
Huskers? 

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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 21 09:31:24 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Mon Feb 21 09:32:42 2005
Subject: [Husker] Alex Gordon story
In-Reply-To: <OF373FB30A.D8888296-ON86256FAF.004F4E4E-86256FAF.004F6FB8@cbsol.com>
Message-ID: <20050221153124.32096.qmail@web30410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Huskers finished a sweep of Hawai'i-Hilo yesterday
with an 8-1 victory.  Now the Huskers are enjoying
(for lack of a better word) the loooong flight back
from paradise.

I was kind of bummed when I saw Hawai'i-Hilo show up
on the schedule for mid-February.  I was on vacation
in Hilo 3 weeks ago, and would have loved to squeeze
in a Husker baseball game during the trip.  I was kind
of surprised that there wasn't some sort of radio
coverage of these games; the game times probably
wouldn't conflict with other sports due to the 4 hour
time difference and I'm sure they could have found
volunteers to do the broadcast.  :-)

--- jonlists <jonlists@cbsol.com> wrote:

>
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/college/050113gordon.html
> 
> in Baseball America. Very good story..... if nothing
> else, but to get 
> something else going. 
> 
> Anyone notice how threads of late quickly devolve
> into nothing about the 
> Huskers? 
> 
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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Mon Feb 21 10:11:25 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Mon Feb 21 10:11:58 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Birkel
References: <BAY102-DAV5FEEB9E0313F7A4FAA2F7D1610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200502211011250812.0455BF37@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>



On 2/21/2005 at 2:04 AM Monty Perry <python3955@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>I have often thought Bob was a buffalo fan hiding out on the Husker list, 
>>but now I think I have proof! (just kidding..ha ha) Seriously, I have
>>heard 
>>several things that people thought TO handled poorly, but have never
>>heard a 
>>Husker fan accuse him of looking the other way in the name of winning,
>>until 
>>now. Of all the discrepancies he has been accused of, I ALWAYS believed
>>his 
>>actions were honestly meant for the benefit of the student, not for
>>winning 
>>any games. I guess his book "More than winning" was just a......
>>
>>The ball is in your court, Bob....




     

     I don't know about ball in the court.  While he was coaching at NU TO ran a great program.  I have nothing but respect for TO.  But TO is a human being with faults and failures like any other human being.  Even though I respect TO I am not going to make him something super human either.  What actions I was talking about were things he allegedly chose not to do rather than those he did.  I believe there are things in TO's life as a coach that were more important than winning.  But, I would think he also knows he didn't get to be put on the pedestal he is today because he is a good man.  If by TO saying, "no one tested positive for steroids after the first two years" means no one was on steroids then something doesn't jive.  Either TO looked the other way, or was very naive, or my friend who played for the Huskers lied to me.  I am not saying it isn't possible but I can't see what it would gain him to lie to me.  We know each other pretty well.  The obvious gain for TO would be to win games.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.  


From dkarre at comcast.net  Mon Feb 21 11:57:16 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Mon Feb 21 11:52:52 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids
References: <20050221130457.61604.qmail@web54101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005901c5183e$c83e6b20$44708845@orovly01.az.comcast.net>

Exhibit A: Riley Washington, third/fourth-string WB accused of attempted
murder; TO suspended him for two weeks, then decided he was innocent and
reinstated him. Washington was eventually exonerated.

Exhibit B: Lawrence Phillips. Phillips was a starter, but the way TO treated
him proves (to me, anyway) the point jj is making. Recall that while LP was
suspended, TO didn't allow him to practice. Thus, when he was reinstated a
week before NU's (presumably) toughest game (CU on the road), he wasn't
ready to play. If TO had been concerned only with winning, you can be sure
he would have had LP ready for the Buffies.

Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "j j" <jjj112665@yahoo.com>

I think 99% of the time TO knew what he was doing when he punished a kid and
when he let him back on the team and it wasn't always about whether the kid
could help him win or not. I'm sure that there were kids that hardly ever
played that were treated just the same.


From Kaufsss at aol.com  Mon Feb 21 12:22:39 2005
From: Kaufsss at aol.com (Kaufsss@aol.com)
Date: Mon Feb 21 12:24:23 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids
Message-ID: <7B16584F.43EC70C4.0017DF18@aol.com>

I think TO thought, and I agree, that it is normally better to keep the kid involved with sports and the structure that goes with that, even if he has done some type of infraction. If you say a player can't participate in practice or continue tutoring programs or even live in the dorms anymore, the chance a player will or can get back in the good is greatly diminished. If I remember correctly, didn't the Huskers use (and still may use) a point system that would plus and minus points over time for infractions from being late to murder? (Obviously, some infractions could be more or less points than others, resulting in varying punishments or loss of privileges) Isn't there a players council that has some input into the system also?  
Steve Kauf
A Husker fan Deep in South Texas

From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 21 12:59:22 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Mon Feb 21 13:00:38 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids
In-Reply-To: <7B16584F.43EC70C4.0017DF18@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050221185922.75984.qmail@web30409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here is how Osborne described the point system in his
last book "Faith in the Game", which I had the
opportunity to read earlier this month.

5 points:  Felony Conviction, 4 pts: Drug Violation,
Misdemanor Conviction, Academic Dishonesty; 3 pts:
Missing Practice; 2 pts: Missing Team or Unity Council
meeting; 1 pt: Missing Conditioning, Class, Study
Hall, or Tutor.

Accumulate 3 points, and you have to go in front of
the Unity Council, which was composed of team leaders
who had the opportunity to review the situation.  4
points meant a visit with Osborne, and Osborne
contacts your parents.  5 points, and you are
suspended.

The Unity Council was retained by Frank Solich, but
was disbanded by Bill Callahan.  I assume that
Callahan has replaced the point system as well with
his own process as well.

--- Kaufsss@aol.com wrote:

> If I remember correctly, didn't
> the Huskers use (and still may use) a point system
> that would plus and minus points over time for
> infractions from being late to murder? (Obviously,
> some infractions could be more or less points than
> others, resulting in varying punishments or loss of
> privileges) Isn't there a players council that has
> some input into the system also?  
> Steve Kauf
> A Husker fan Deep in South Texas


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From kurtholst at netzero.net  Mon Feb 21 18:22:57 2005
From: kurtholst at netzero.net (Kurt Holst)
Date: Mon Feb 21 18:23:14 2005
Subject: [Husker] Teamer leaves Huskers
Message-ID: <421A7B61.9030808@netzero.net>


http://journalstar.com/articles/2005/02/21/huskerextra/doc421a6e4d8ed44429548456.txt

"Teamer becomes the 10th scholarship player to leave the program since
the beginning of last season"


Kurt in FL

From toddlowell at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 21 19:08:16 2005
From: toddlowell at yahoo.com (richards todd)
Date: Mon Feb 21 19:09:32 2005
Subject: [Husker] Jerry Fort
Message-ID: <20050222010816.77082.qmail@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was looking at some old programs from the 1974 -
1976 era.  I can easily recall sitting in the old
coliseum, the place was literally shaking from the
noise, and watching Jerry Fort swish jumper after
jumber with his unique behind the head motion.  

To me, those were good days.  Maybe it's the
nostalgia, but I remember the noise in the coliseum
was incredible, and the team from 71 - until 79 was
pretty darn good most of the time.

I've been out of the state since 79 so I can't relate
to the Danny Nee era as the glory days of NU
basketball.  I know we've been to a few NCAA tourneys,
but I believe we are still yet to win our first NCAA
tournament game.  Is that right?  

I get a chuckle whenever someone on this list mentions
the NIT as a modicum of success for NU basketball. 
The NCAA lets 64+1 participate in the tournement under
the present format.  We are still yet to win a single
NCAA tournament game in the history of Nebraksa
basketball.

Until we can break into the top 65 and actually win a
game in the tournament, I will continue to foldlyu
remember Chuck Jura, Marvin Stewart, Bob Siegal, Brian
Banks, Carl McPipe, etc......


Todd in Tennessee


		
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From arossman at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 21 20:54:10 2005
From: arossman at earthlink.net (Andrew Smith)
Date: Mon Feb 21 20:54:40 2005
Subject: [Husker] Steroids
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I'm always struck and disappointed by how casually and hastily people 
accuse someone of serious moral failings - failings which often, are 
worse than anything they have seen in anyone they really know (not just 
heard or ready about but really know).

Saying that TO looked the other way because he somehow didn't prevent 
all steroid use by his players is grossly unfair.  No one can control or 
detect everything his players do unless they institute some sort of 
Orwellian system.

Did it ever occur to you (his accusers) that if TO really wanted to look 
the other way and just win games, he would not have instituted ANY 
steroids testing (not to mention other drugs)?  that he would not have 
put such a premium on academics?  that he would have a much more relaxed 
attitude toward recruiters?  It doesn't seem so.

Andy

Neal Smith wrote:

>Mike and Kelly, cut it out with the attacks on me.  We are suppose to be friends here.  
> 
>Concerning steroids, if TO didn't look the other way when steroids were being used by his football players, Husker football wouldn't have had all of those Big 8 championships and consecutive 9 + win seasons.
> 
>Neal Smith 
> 
>NU Class of 1983
> 
>
>
>j j <jjj112665@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I agree with you Mike. This idea that these KIDS dont
>deserve a second and maybe even a third chance is a
>bunch of bull. It must be nice to be like Bob and Neal
>and never to have made a mistake or need a second
>chance. I know if it werent for second or even third
>chances I would not be the person I am today nor would
>I be in the position I am today. 
>--- Mike and Kelly Petersen 
>wrote:
>
>  
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Bob Beach 
>>
>>
>>
>>" He just figured I was a friend and we were having
>>a friendly conversation.
>>"
>>
>>It's likely he won't make that mistake again.
>>
>>"TO understood that and even though he was a man of
>>integrity I always felt
>>once in a while he would look the other way in the
>>name of winning."
>>
>>Osborne was not known for kicking a player off of
>>the team every time there
>>was an accusation. He would usually wait for the
>>evidence to play out.
>>Sometimes it was correct and then there were
>>actions. Those times he usually
>>took the heat for waiting so long. Other times the
>>accusations proved to be
>>false. Those times there was usually not a "second
>>story" in the press
>>saying he was right to wait.
>>"Look the other way in the name of winning"? Not
>>likely.
>>
>>Mike Petersen
>>
>>
>>    
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From arossman at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 21 20:58:15 2005
From: arossman at earthlink.net (Andrew Smith)
Date: Mon Feb 21 20:58:42 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Birkel
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Bob Beach wrote:

>But, I would think [TO] also knows he didn't get to be put on the pedestal he is today because he is a good man. 
>
But it is clear to me that one reason we did get so much support before 
the NC years of 94-95 & 97 is that he was viewed as a very good and 
honest man.  It seems extremely unlikely that he didn't realize that as 
well.

Andy


From dkarre at comcast.net  Mon Feb 21 21:29:44 2005
From: dkarre at comcast.net (Dick Karre)
Date: Mon Feb 21 21:25:30 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Birkel
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I'll say it another way: TO is on a pedestal not only because he won a lot
of football games, but also because he is a very good man. It took both.
Barry Switzer demonstrates this, I think - great record of success, but he's
not revered like TO.
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Husker] Birkel


>
>
> Bob Beach wrote:
>
> >But, I would think [TO] also knows he didn't get to be put on the
pedestal he is today because he is a good man.
> >
> But it is clear to me that one reason we did get so much support before
> the NC years of 94-95 & 97 is that he was viewed as a very good and
> honest man.  It seems extremely unlikely that he didn't realize that as
> well.
>
> Andy
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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Tue Feb 22 01:27:10 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Tue Feb 22 01:27:38 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Birkel
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On 2/21/2005 at 9:58 PM Andrew Smith wrote:

>>But it is clear to me that one reason we did get so much support before 
>>the NC years of 94-95 & 97 is that he was viewed as a very good and 
>>honest man.  It seems extremely unlikely that he didn't realize that as 
>>well.





     And you don't think 9 plus wins a year had anything to do with it?  I have posted this before but do you believe TO could have been the great and glorious upright man that he was while coaching NU for 25 years and had a less than .500 record and be looked the way he is today.  If I had to answer that question my answer would be "no way."  There is no way he would have lasted 25 years if he had not had the kind of record he had.  No one would have said, TO you are a great man and even though you can't seem to win a football game we appreciate the example you are to young men and we will keep you here as long as you want to be here.  TO had a tremendous record before his NC years.  The reason he was here for 25 years is because he won football games and not because he was a great man.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.


From theo at heise.nu  Tue Feb 22 06:41:51 2005
From: theo at heise.nu (Theodore Heise)
Date: Tue Feb 22 06:42:47 2005
Subject: [Husker] Source of Tom Osborne's stature [was: Birkel]
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Bob Beach wrote:
>
>      And you don't think 9 plus wins a year had anything to do
> with it?  I have posted this before but do you believe TO could
> have been the great and glorious upright man that he was while
> coaching NU for 25 years and had a less than .500 record and be
> looked the way he is today.

I don't think the wins had anything to do with TO being viewed as
upright.  Dick Karre was right on target in saying both the wins and
the character of the man contributed to TO's reputation, and I think
both applied to TO being great and glorious.

-- 
Theodore (Ted) Heise     <theo@heise.nu>     Bloomington, IN, USA

From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Tue Feb 22 07:42:05 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Tue Feb 22 07:43:03 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
Message-ID: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A664@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com>

As far as I can see Neil, Birkel was an upstanding young man while on
the Husker football team. This incident happened after he left the team
so to lump him in as a criminal that Callahn had to purge from the team
is complete bs. As for coddling players, don't be surprised if Callahan
coddles some of his own players that he recruited. It's a lot easier to
kick off players you didn't recruit from the team than ones you did.
Don't get me wrong, if they're bad eggs and need to go get them out but
don't completely judge Callahan's actions in just the first year. By the
way, he may have not been coddled by Callahan but Incognito did get
several chances with Callahn. 

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Smith
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 11:52 AM
To: Bob Beach; husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Birkel

I see Callahan as one whose job it is to clean up this program by
getting rid of criminals like Birkel, drug addicts like David Horne, and
thugs like Richie Incognito.  For too long Solich and TO coddled
criminals in the name of winning.  No more!  There is a new sherrif in
town!
 
Neal Smith 
 
NU Class of 1983

Bob Beach <rbeach@neb.rr.com> wrote:

Andy Birkel called Bill Callahan unprofessional. What a 20 year old
would know about professionalism I am not sure. However, it appears
Birkel is the one that is is unprofessional after getting in trouble.
Maybe Callahan had his reasons for treating Birkel the way he did
assuming Birkel was anywhere close to accurate.


http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1338779



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know.


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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Tue Feb 22 09:52:09 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Tue Feb 22 09:52:39 2005
Subject: [Husker] Teamer
Message-ID: <200502220952090375.096A75E1@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>

Teamer leaves the program.


http://www.wowt.com/sports/headlines/1289822.html


Bob Beach
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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Tue Feb 22 10:11:19 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Tue Feb 22 10:11:49 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Source of Tom Osborne's stature [was:
  Birkel]
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On 2/22/2005 at 7:41 AM Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> wrote:

>>I don't think the wins had anything to do with TO being viewed as
>>upright.  Dick Karre was right on target in saying both the wins and
>>the character of the man contributed to TO's reputation, and I think
>>both applied to TO being great and glorious.




     You are right in the sense an upright person is an upright person because that is the way they are.  And, TO was just that.  But, he wasn't perfect as I sometimes feel is the attitude from some quarters.  It is almost like TO can do no wrong and if he did something it was for the right reasons and if he said it then it was truth on every occasion in all situations all of the time.  I understand that both components of TO, winning and uprightness, compose the person.  And, it was wonderful he was the man he was.  It is also easy to say things because we know TO's total track record as a coach.  I would guess, though, the lions share of fans would take a winning coach with not so perfect character any day of the week over a coach with exemplary character that had a losing record and showed no signs of improving on the record.  The same with TO.  While his character and winning made up the person people would have taken less character way before they would have taken less wins.  That was my original point here.  TO was only human and he knew what it took for him to keep his job and it wasn't character.  Again, that doesn't mean there weren't more important things in his life than winning.  There are more important things in my life than my job, too.  But, I also know what I have to do to keep my job.  


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.  


From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Tue Feb 22 17:49:52 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Tue Feb 22 17:51:47 2005
Subject: [Husker] (no subject)
Message-ID: <004501c51939$34d98cb0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

For those of you that want listen to the Huskers baseball game Saturday against Rice the game will be on KTRU. You have to sign up for the broadcast it will take 3-4 mins. it is a free site i believe as I'm listening to Rice and Houston right now. So you might want to sign up early.

 
Tony Lambert
From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Tue Feb 22 17:57:53 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Tue Feb 22 17:59:29 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball and KTRU
Message-ID: <004c01c5193a$5316d510$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

Also i just checked out the Rice web site. and there is an icon that says KTRU click on it and you can listen there also. I don't know why i signed up. i was just following the instructions.
 
Tony Lambert
From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 19:19:28 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb 22 19:20:59 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Jerry Fort
Message-ID: <11.3f9d95fa.2f4d3420@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/21/05 7:10:26 PM Central Standard Time, 
toddlowell@yahoo.com writes:


> I get a chuckle whenever someone on this list mentions
> the NIT as a modicum of success for NU basketball. 
> The NCAA lets 64+1 participate in the tournement under
> the present format.  We are still yet to win a single
> NCAA tournament game in the history of Nebraksa
> basketball.

Jerry Fort seemed to have about three hinges on his shooting arm when he'd 
rear back and sling those jumpers toward the goal; and Leroy Chalk -- all-time 
leading rebounder in NU history prior to Venson Hamilton's arrival (and I don't 
think Leroy could play as a frosh the way Venson did); 

Keep goin' Todd ... Brendy Lee, the pidgeon-toed post man; Cal Christline and 
Steve Erwin ... undersized, over-achieving Nebraskans who played for State 
U.; Tom Novak, Larry Cox (played with Fort and Steve Willis ... Cox shot about 
66 percent for his career with a range of five feet).

But with all due respect, those guys didn't win much either.  Relatively 
speaking, the NIT IS a modicum of success for NU basketball, especially when 
compared to Collier's first few years (and I'll acknowledge that back in the day of 
Fort, etc., the NCAA didn't allow as many participants in the Big Dance).  
And unfortunately, NU is heading in the wrong direction this year after last 
year's modicum of success.

But I don't see where the amusement is seen (you mentioned a "chuckle").  I 
haven't heard one poster on this board say they'd ever again be satisfied with 
an NIT appearance.  The days of that satisfaction left a long time ago.  We've 
heard from some frustrated, disappointed NU fans; myself included, regarding 
this year's performance, or lack thereof.

When Moe Iba led NU to the final four in the Big Apple around '82, it was 
unexplored territory for the program and everybody got into it ... rightfully so. 
 Nee's "boycott" bunch turned their season around and won the NIT, but all 
that showed is how much they underachieved during the year.

What's the "success standard" for NU basketball?  Sheesh, I hope I haven't 
seen it yet.  Nee's teams that achieved the most had to be the '91 (?) squad 
that entered the Dance as a #3 seed (King, Farmer, Reid, Scales, Hayes, Pike a 
frosh), and the Piatkowski/Chubick-led team that won the Big 8 tourney a few 
years later ... but neither, as you mentioned, won an NCAA game.

The rumor/innuendo/gossip about Collier's job status is escalating by the 
day.  Shatel had a column in today's OWH that basically said Barry's a nice guy, 
but he isn't the guy to get it done at NU.  I saw an OWH article a few weeks 
ago about the lack of schools that are top shelf in both hoops and football.  I 
think this is a tired, worn-out angle.  If Wisconsin can be a factor in both 
sports, there's no reason NU can't be.  

On a related note, I'm late for the tip off of OSU and NU.  OSU is a 9 point 
favorite and I can understand why.

Dave Norris



From jonlists at cbsol.com  Tue Feb 22 21:00:48 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Tue Feb 22 21:08:37 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Jerry Fort
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[smip all else]

>What's the "success standard" for NU basketball?  Sheesh, I hope I 
haven't 
> seen it yet.  Nee's teams that achieved the most had to be the '91 (?) 
squad 
> that entered the Dance as a #3 seed (King, Farmer, Reid, Scales, 
> Hayes, Pike a 
> frosh), and the Piatkowski/Chubick-led team that won the Big 8 tourney a 
few 
> years later ... but neither, as you mentioned, won an NCAA game.
> 
> The rumor/innuendo/gossip about Collier's job status is escalating by 
the 
> day.  Shatel had a column in today's OWH that basically said Barry's
> a nice guy, 
> but he isn't the guy to get it done at NU.  I saw an OWH article a few 
weeks 
> ago about the lack of schools that are top shelf in both hoops and 
> football.  I 
> think this is a tired, worn-out angle.  If Wisconsin can be a factor in 
both 
> sports, there's no reason NU can't be. 
> 
> On a related note, I'm late for the tip off of OSU and NU.  OSU is a 9 
point 
> favorite and I can understand why.
> 
> Dave Norris
> 
> 

I'll be very interested in your comments tonight/tomorrow. 

You earlier outlined the future of Nebraska basketball - I don't think it 
was ever more evident than tonight. 

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From da_huskers at cox.net  Tue Feb 22 21:11:12 2005
From: da_huskers at cox.net (RJ Wessel)
Date: Tue Feb 22 21:11:51 2005
Subject: [Husker] Big win for the Huskers
Message-ID: <20050223031110.IVE28092.lakermmtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

The Huskers knock off No 4. Okie State 74-67. This is the first time this season that I listened to the Huskers play a complete game. I hope this is a sign of things to come. 

From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 22 21:15:40 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Tue Feb 22 21:16:55 2005
Subject: [Husker] Huskers 74, #4 Okie State 67!  (NOT A TYPO!)
Message-ID: <20050223031540.66501.qmail@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jake Muhlheisen had a monster first half on the
defensive side as the Huskers and Okie State were tied
at halftime.  But the Huskers came out smoking after
halftime, and the Cowboys came out ice cold.

Many people have been burying Barry Collier, but those
losses to Oklahoma and Iowa State look a little better
after watching those guys beat Kansas last weekend.

=====
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From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 21:40:49 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb 22 21:44:54 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska 74, #4 Oklahoma St. 67
Message-ID: <6d.3f8a9fa1.2f4d5541@aol.com>

Perhaps we caught OSU at the right time as they no doubt had to be looking 
forward to their trip to Lawrence this Sunday, but you gotta' hand it to NU.  
They played their most complete game of the year, by far.  

Jake Muhlheisen played an inspirational first half, as did fellow senior 
Corey Simms.  Jake's effort and defense (synonyms) set the tone.  Charles 
Richardson has played more lately and a lot better when he's had the chance.  There 
are certain advantages to having a natural point guard in the game -- somebody 
who looks to involve others first and score second.  Turek played very well, 
contributing some tough play and leading the Huskers in assists (at least the 
last time I checked).

NU shot an incredible 56 percent from the field, including 61 percent in the 
second half.  OSU shot lights out from three-point land and still lost.  Lucas 
had 20 points for the Cowboys.  NU made just enough free throws down the 
stretch to hold on (16 of 24 for the game).  Led by 13 in the second half at one 
point, and ten for a good chunk of the second half.  

First time NU has beaten a Top 5 team since we beat KU back in '93.  And our 
freshmen were brilliant tonight.

Freshman big man Aleks Maric played an inspired, ready-for-prime time game.  
His best of the year, with his dad in the stands watching him play for the 
first time in two years.  Maric is a big kid with good feet and hands -- the 
instincts will develop, you'd think.  Joey Graham looks like a tight end, but 
Maric doesn't look slight standing next to him.  Aleks had 15 points tonight and 
fellow freshman Joe McCray had 22, his 8th game of 20-or-more points this year. 
 McCray had 17 of his 22 in the second half.  These two freshmen are not 
timid ... they do NOT back down.  Joe's let his temper get the best of him a time 
or two this year, but you don't want to extinguish all of that fire.

To say that Barry needed this one is an understatement.  

Dave Norris
From mohskr at kdsi.net  Tue Feb 22 21:49:01 2005
From: mohskr at kdsi.net (James Moreau)
Date: Tue Feb 22 21:50:50 2005
Subject: [Husker] Steroids
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I want to say that Osborne did have a policy for Steroids.  I had a roomate 
at NU that tested positive and was suspended.  His parents were contacted 
and he stopped using.  He told me that it was the biggest slap to reality 
that he ever had, having to face TO and explain to him why he was ruining 
his life with Steroids.

The guy was just trying to be a part of the great Cornhusker team, and never 
stood a chance to play on a regular basis.  He felt that it was the only 
way, but after his talk with TO and his parents, he realized that even as a 
tackling dummy on the practice squad, he was important to the team.

Just my two cents on the subject. 

From jonlists at cbsol.com  Tue Feb 22 22:00:40 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Tue Feb 22 22:08:27 2005
Subject: [Husker] Steroids
In-Reply-To: <005801c5195a$9d3f9cb0$0200a8c0@s0023329433>
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husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/22/2005 09:49:01 PM:
[snip everything else]
> 
>....... he realized that even as a 
> tackling dummy on the practice squad, he was important to the team.
> 

Let's all pray that Bill Callahan learned this about college football 
players this last year, eh? 

Thanks for that post, BTW. 

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From jensen86 at iowatelecom.net  Wed Feb 23 08:07:04 2005
From: jensen86 at iowatelecom.net (Mark & Barbara Jensen)
Date: Wed Feb 23 08:04:33 2005
Subject: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
References: <BAY102-DAV1071CAFD0DAD63D52835BED16D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <421C8E08.000005.00572@JENSENS>

Thanks Monty, that was definately a different article.

Barb 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Monty Perry
Date: 02/17/05 12:32:48
To: Mark & Barbara Jensen
Cc: husker list
Subject: Re: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
 
That is a different article, now. The url directed me to the "tears" article
when it was originally posted. This is what I could find about the original
article:
  http://tinyurl.com/6vdml
 
Monty
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark & Barbara Jensen" <jensen86@iowatelecom.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
 
 
I missed it...where's the "in tears" part?  or is that just an assumption..
? ;-)
 
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(new e-mail address)
Barb
-------Original Message-------
 
From: HuskersNY@aol.com
Date: 02/15/05 11:07:20
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
 
 
Never liked Skippy in the least, but I always thought he got a raw deal on
this one. It seemed to be an excuse to get rid of him.  (Of course,  this is
not based on being privy to "all of the facts").   In most  circles, a pool
among friends/acquaintances/colleagues is completely different  from
conventional
gambling.  AND it was a pool in a sport completely  unrelated to his job.
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/15/2005 10:52:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
strongtodd@msn.com writes:
 
Poor  Skippy.
We reap what we sow.
 
"Would the boy I was yesterday, be  proud of the man I am today?"
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To: "husker-tssi.com"  <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:37  AM
Subject: [Husker] Rick Neuheisel Testifies in Tears
 
 
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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Wed Feb 23 09:53:35 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Wed Feb 23 09:54:09 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids
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On 2/22/2005 at 9:49 PM James Moreau <mohskr@kdsi.net> wrote:

>>I want to say that Osborne did have a policy for Steroids.  I had a
>>roomate 
>>at NU that tested positive and was suspended.  His parents were contacted 
>>and he stopped using.  He told me that it was the biggest slap to reality 
>>that he ever had, having to face TO and explain to him why he was ruining 
>>his life with Steroids.




     I wouldn't expect you to name names but could you give at least a time frame when this happened.  The reason I am curious is because below I include a clip from the article which appeared in last Sunday's Journal-Star.  The article would indicate that after around 1985 or so (TO doesn't say what year testing started other than it was the early 80's) if someone did indeed test positive at the very least TO doesn't remember it.

Bob Beach





Former Nebraska head coach Tom Osborne said last week that NU began its own drug-testing program during the early 1980s. Before then, he said, testing methods were generally unreliable.

During the first series of random tests at Nebraska, two or three players tested positive for steroids, Osborne said. The following year, the number dropped to one.

"After that, I can't remember a positive test," Osborne said.



From Sklarbodds at cox.net  Wed Feb 23 15:48:49 2005
From: Sklarbodds at cox.net (Skylar Dodds)
Date: Wed Feb 23 15:49:33 2005
Subject: [Husker] Football State
Message-ID: <21082457937.20050223154849@cox.net>

No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the country and
we get two posts? I'm just curious why everyone thinks that is.

If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been 'burnt' by
getting their hopes up for this year's team.

I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in my lifetime.


--
Skylar


From marklandin at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 16:09:16 2005
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Wed Feb 23 16:10:34 2005
Subject: [Husker] Football State
In-Reply-To: <21082457937.20050223154849@cox.net>
References: <21082457937.20050223154849@cox.net>
Message-ID: <16ee270e0502231409425e97bb@mail.gmail.com>

> No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the country and
> we get two posts? I'm just curious why everyone thinks that is.

I didn't respond because I'm not that interested in basketball, and
whlie I'd rather see Nebraska win even in sports I'm not interested
in, I didn't really have anything useful to add to the conversation.
 
> If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been 'burnt' by
> getting their hopes up for this year's team.

I'm sure that figures into some people's level of interest. An
underacheiving team usually doesn't gain fans over the season.
 
> I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in my lifetime.

If you enjoyed it, great. :)

From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Wed Feb 23 17:40:30 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Wed Feb 23 17:42:29 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball link
Message-ID: <00cc01c51a01$0ff94110$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

Here is the link to Saturday's game with the Rice Owls.
http://bang.rice.edu/  



Tony Lambert
From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Wed Feb 23 17:43:33 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Wed Feb 23 17:45:07 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball link
Message-ID: <00d701c51a01$7c949950$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

http://www.riceowls.com/ Try this one. the first one is not right



Tony Lambert
From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Wed Feb 23 17:54:33 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Wed Feb 23 17:56:09 2005
Subject: [Husker] Football State
References: <21082457937.20050223154849@cox.net>
Message-ID: <00e601c51a03$066c92d0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

Maybe the people are more worried about the use of Steroids in the football 
program. than a good old basketball game with lots of floor burns and 
enthusiasm.


Tony Lambert


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skylar Dodds" <Sklarbodds@cox.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: [Husker] Football State


> No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the country and
> we get two posts? I'm just curious why everyone thinks that is.
>
> If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been 'burnt' by
> getting their hopes up for this year's team.
>
> I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in my lifetime.
>
>
> --
> Skylar
>
>
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From pibel at saintmail.net  Wed Feb 23 18:21:59 2005
From: pibel at saintmail.net (pibel)
Date: Wed Feb 23 18:30:00 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Football State
Message-ID: <421d1e27.b7.211e.31993@saintmail.net>

Actually, it just didn't occur to me to post about the win
over OSU but today I wore my Husker stuff into Cowboy fandom
and enjoyed every minute of it. Eddie Sutton commented that
this was one of the 10 worst games he has coached when his
team is good. As an optimist I would love to see this help
the team get it together and make a run at the Big XII
Tourney title. More likely they will go one and out but I
like to dream big and this crew has the potential to make
some waves.  They have fallen just short of upsets against
some of the top teams in the conference and finally got one.
If nothing else it earns them a little more respect within
the Big XII.

Kerry Hookstra
Erick, Oklahoma(where orange and black are the dominant
college colors)

From: "Tony Lambert" <slimmer37@hamilton.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [Husker] Football State
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:54:33 -0600

Maybe the people are more worried about the use of Steroids
in the football  program. than a good old basketball game
with lots of floor burns and  enthusiasm.


Tony Lambert


----- Original Message -----
From: "Skylar Dodds" <Sklarbodds@cox.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: [Husker] Football State


> No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the
country and > we get two posts? I'm just curious why
everyone thinks that is. >
> If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been
'burnt' by > getting their hopes up for this year's team.
>
> I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in
my lifetime. >
>
> --
> Skylar
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From jonlists at cbsol.com  Wed Feb 23 19:50:26 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Wed Feb 23 19:46:33 2005
Subject: [Husker] Football State
In-Reply-To: <21082457937.20050223154849@cox.net>
Message-ID: <OF7D9D1AE3.DE929598-ON86256FB2.0008FDC3-86256FB2.00098191@cbsol.com>

Hey, we're just as fickle as anyone else, ya know! 

The basketball girls have been doing fairly well, and there's very little 
traffic about them. The volleyball team kicks ass every year, not many 
posts about them. 

Let's face it - it doesn't matter how well the men's basketball team does 
- they won't warrant much traffic here. 

We ARE a football state. We might become a baseball state - that jury is 
still out. 

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husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/23/2005 03:48:49 PM:

> No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the country and
> we get two posts? I'm just curious why everyone thinks that is.
> 
> If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been 'burnt' by
> getting their hopes up for this year's team.
> 
> I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in my lifetime.
> 
> 
> --
> Skylar
From husker at communicomm.com  Wed Feb 23 20:09:18 2005
From: husker at communicomm.com (Mike and Kelly Petersen)
Date: Wed Feb 23 20:06:44 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
Message-ID: <000801c51a15$d9f3dc00$20148f18@husker>

Bob,
So what is the point of all of this " What did Osborne know and when did he know it"?
I haven't heard anyone call him a saint, but winning games wasn't the only thing that 
kept him his job. His character was equally important. Switzer won a lot of games
at Oklahoma, but a few years on probation cost him his job.

Mike Petersen

n 2/22/2005 at 9:49 PM James Moreau <mohskr at kdsi.net> wrote:

>>I want to say that Osborne did have a policy for Steroids.  I had a
>>roomate 
>>at NU that tested positive and was suspended.  His parents were contacted 
>>and he stopped using.  He told me that it was the biggest slap to reality 
>>that he ever had, having to face TO and explain to him why he was ruining 
>>his life with Steroids.




     I wouldn't expect you to name names but could you give at least a time frame when this happened.  The reason I am curious is because below I include a clip from the article which appeared in last Sunday's Journal-Star.  The article would indicate that after around 1985 or so (TO doesn't say what year testing started other than it was the early 80's) if someone did indeed test positive at the very least TO doesn't remember it.

Bob Beach





Former Nebraska head coach Tom Osborne said last week that NU began its own drug-testing program during the early 1980s. Before then, he said, testing methods were generally unreliable.

During the first series of random tests at Nebraska, two or three players tested positive for steroids, Osborne said. The following year, the number dropped to one.

"After that, I can't remember a positive test," Osborne said.





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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 23 20:33:22 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Wed Feb 23 20:34:40 2005
Subject: [Husker] Birkel
In-Reply-To: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A664@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com>
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Sean, perhaps its BC's fault Birkel got in trouble with the law : )  or better yet Pedersen's.
 
Neal 

Sean McGrath <SeanM@omahasteaks.com> wrote:
As far as I can see Neil, Birkel was an upstanding young man while on
the Husker football team. This incident happened after he left the team
so to lump him in as a criminal that Callahn had to purge from the team
is complete bs. As for coddling players, don't be surprised if Callahan
coddles some of his own players that he recruited. It's a lot easier to
kick off players you didn't recruit from the team than ones you did.
Don't get me wrong, if they're bad eggs and need to go get them out but
don't completely judge Callahan's actions in just the first year. By the
way, he may have not been coddled by Callahan but Incognito did get
several chances with Callahn. 

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Smith
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 11:52 AM
To: Bob Beach; husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Birkel

I see Callahan as one whose job it is to clean up this program by
getting rid of criminals like Birkel, drug addicts like David Horne, and
thugs like Richie Incognito. For too long Solich and TO coddled
criminals in the name of winning. No more! There is a new sherrif in
town!

Neal Smith 

NU Class of 1983

Bob Beach wrote:

Andy Birkel called Bill Callahan unprofessional. What a 20 year old
would know about professionalism I am not sure. However, it appears
Birkel is the one that is is unprofessional after getting in trouble.
Maybe Callahan had his reasons for treating Birkel the way he did
assuming Birkel was anywhere close to accurate.


http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1338779



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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 23 20:34:43 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Wed Feb 23 20:36:00 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Birkel
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Barry Switzer is like a god in Oklahoma.
 
Neal

Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote:
I'll say it another way: TO is on a pedestal not only because he won a lot
of football games, but also because he is a very good man. It took both.
Barry Switzer demonstrates this, I think - great record of success, but he's
not revered like TO.
Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Husker] Birkel


>
>
> Bob Beach wrote:
>
> >But, I would think [TO] also knows he didn't get to be put on the
pedestal he is today because he is a good man.
> >
> But it is clear to me that one reason we did get so much support before
> the NC years of 94-95 & 97 is that he was viewed as a very good and
> honest man. It seems extremely unlikely that he didn't realize that as
> well.
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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 23 20:37:58 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Wed Feb 23 20:39:15 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska 74, #4 Oklahoma St. 67
In-Reply-To: <6d.3f8a9fa1.2f4d5541@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050224023758.31848.qmail@web54410.mail.yahoo.com>

To me this is further evidence that Barry Collier deserves to be fired.  Its obvious NU has some talent on the team.  However, it is so frustrating to me that Collier can't control it.   NU beats Kansas in Lincoln if he lets McCray play.  NU's performance at OU far outweighs our win against OSU.
 
Neal Smith
 
NU Class of 1983
 


NUStLNorris@aol.com wrote:
Perhaps we caught OSU at the right time as they no doubt had to be looking 
forward to their trip to Lawrence this Sunday, but you gotta' hand it to NU. 
They played their most complete game of the year, by far. 

Jake Muhlheisen played an inspirational first half, as did fellow senior 
Corey Simms. Jake's effort and defense (synonyms) set the tone. Charles 
Richardson has played more lately and a lot better when he's had the chance. There 
are certain advantages to having a natural point guard in the game -- somebody 
who looks to involve others first and score second. Turek played very well, 
contributing some tough play and leading the Huskers in assists (at least the 
last time I checked).

NU shot an incredible 56 percent from the field, including 61 percent in the 
second half. OSU shot lights out from three-point land and still lost. Lucas 
had 20 points for the Cowboys. NU made just enough free throws down the 
stretch to hold on (16 of 24 for the game). Led by 13 in the second half at one 
point, and ten for a good chunk of the second half. 

First time NU has beaten a Top 5 team since we beat KU back in '93. And our 
freshmen were brilliant tonight.

Freshman big man Aleks Maric played an inspired, ready-for-prime time game. 
His best of the year, with his dad in the stands watching him play for the 
first time in two years. Maric is a big kid with good feet and hands -- the 
instincts will develop, you'd think. Joey Graham looks like a tight end, but 
Maric doesn't look slight standing next to him. Aleks had 15 points tonight and 
fellow freshman Joe McCray had 22, his 8th game of 20-or-more points this year. 
McCray had 17 of his 22 in the second half. These two freshmen are not 
timid ... they do NOT back down. Joe's let his temper get the best of him a time 
or two this year, but you don't want to extinguish all of that fire.

To say that Barry needed this one is an understatement. 

Dave Norris
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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 23 20:43:08 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Wed Feb 23 20:44:25 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids
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Message-ID: <20050224024308.4002.qmail@web54403.mail.yahoo.com>

Brian Blankenship - motor vehicle homocide, never missed a down -  I think he was in jail and still played.
Tyrone Williams - capped a guy, never missed a down.
Broderick Thomas - banned from the dorms for violence, never missed a down
 
 
Neal 

Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote:
Exhibit A: Riley Washington, third/fourth-string WB accused of attempted
murder; TO suspended him for two weeks, then decided he was innocent and
reinstated him. Washington was eventually exonerated.

Exhibit B: Lawrence Phillips. Phillips was a starter, but the way TO treated
him proves (to me, anyway) the point jj is making. Recall that while LP was
suspended, TO didn't allow him to practice. Thus, when he was reinstated a
week before NU's (presumably) toughest game (CU on the road), he wasn't
ready to play. If TO had been concerned only with winning, you can be sure
he would have had LP ready for the Buffies.

Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "j j" 

I think 99% of the time TO knew what he was doing when he punished a kid and
when he let him back on the team and it wasn't always about whether the kid
could help him win or not. I'm sure that there were kids that hardly ever
played that were treated just the same.


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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 23 20:46:30 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Wed Feb 23 20:47:48 2005
Subject: [Husker] Football State
In-Reply-To: <OF7D9D1AE3.DE929598-ON86256FB2.0008FDC3-86256FB2.00098191@cbsol.com>
Message-ID: <20050224024630.48393.qmail@web54409.mail.yahoo.com>

No offense to any of the ladies on the site, but women's sports are not as important as mens sports.  Ya, the volleyball team is great and they get good crowd support but it doesn't pay the bills like the football team.  Guys like guys sports.  Sure the volleyball players are good to look at and are very athletic, but it is not football or even baseball or men's basketball.  
 
Neal 


jonlists <jonlists@cbsol.com> wrote:
Hey, we're just as fickle as anyone else, ya know! 

The basketball girls have been doing fairly well, and there's very little 
traffic about them. The volleyball team kicks ass every year, not many 
posts about them. 

Let's face it - it doesn't matter how well the men's basketball team does 
- they won't warrant much traffic here. 

We ARE a football state. We might become a baseball state - that jury is 
still out. 

Jon Johnston
Creative Business Solutions
IBM,Microsoft, Novell/Suse, Sophos Consultants
http://www.cbsol.com
952-544-1108 
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husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/23/2005 03:48:49 PM:

> No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the country and
> we get two posts? I'm just curious why everyone thinks that is.
> 
> If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been 'burnt' by
> getting their hopes up for this year's team.
> 
> I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in my lifetime.
> 
> 
> --
> Skylar
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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 23 20:47:35 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Wed Feb 23 20:48:53 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Football State
In-Reply-To: <421d1e27.b7.211e.31993@saintmail.net>
Message-ID: <20050224024735.71064.qmail@web54402.mail.yahoo.com>

I would like to see NU win a Big 12 tourney game.  It would be a first.
 
Neal 

pibel <pibel@saintmail.net> wrote:
 As an optimist I would love to see this help
the team get it together and make a run at the Big XII
Tourney title. 
Kerry Hookstra
Erick, Oklahoma(where orange and black are the dominant
college colors)

From: "Tony Lambert" 
To: 
Subject: Re: [Husker] Football State
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:54:33 -0600

Maybe the people are more worried about the use of Steroids
in the football program. than a good old basketball game
with lots of floor burns and enthusiasm.


Tony Lambert


----- Original Message -----
From: "Skylar Dodds" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: [Husker] Football State


> No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the
country and > we get two posts? I'm just curious why
everyone thinks that is. >
> If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been
'burnt' by > getting their hopes up for this year's team.
>
> I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in
my lifetime. >
>
> --
> Skylar
>
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From jonlists at cbsol.com  Wed Feb 23 21:00:25 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Wed Feb 23 21:08:22 2005
Subject: [Husker] Football State
In-Reply-To: <21082457937.20050223154849@cox.net>
Message-ID: <OF49C59170.EF8CFFFA-ON86256FB2.0010E931-86256FB2.001100D7@cbsol.com>

and then there's the tag team relationship of Neal and Bob - and I'm sure 
I'm not alone when I say - what's the point of posting about half of this 
stuff anymore anyway? 

Make sense, Skylar? 

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husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/23/2005 03:48:49 PM:

> No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the country and
> we get two posts? I'm just curious why everyone thinks that is.
> 
> If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been 'burnt' by
> getting their hopes up for this year's team.
> 
> I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in my lifetime.
> 
> 
> --
> Skylar
> 
> 
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From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Wed Feb 23 21:26:35 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Wed Feb 23 21:28:23 2005
Subject: [Husker] Sports
Message-ID: <011b01c51a20$a6026e60$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

Guys like guys sports. I would beg to differ with you Neal. I like to watch women's Basketball. It is how the game was meant to be played with finesse. And no jumping out of the gym and all the showoff @@@@ that goes on in the men's game. And i also like to watch Volleyball. All though i don't know all the rule's. but it is very entraining.
Tony Lambert
From husker at communicomm.com  Wed Feb 23 21:41:35 2005
From: husker at communicomm.com (Mike and Kelly Petersen)
Date: Wed Feb 23 21:39:14 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Football State
References: <20050224024735.71064.qmail@web54402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002701c51a22$be956840$37148f18@husker>

Neal.

They have won Big 12 tourney games. Winning games against OSU are reasons
for firing Collier?

I suspect a "lurker"

PS.... give me the evidence on :

"Brian Blankenship - motor vehicle homocide, never missed a down -  I think
he was in jail and still played.
Tyrone Williams - capped a guy, never missed a down.
Broderick Thomas - banned from the dorms for violence, never missed a down"

Try to maintain at least a hint of accuracy and credibility.

Your Friend : )
Mike Petersen



----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Smith <nealsmith_1965@yahoo.com>
To: Tony Lambert <slimmer37@hamilton.net>; <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Football State


> I would like to see NU win a Big 12 tourney game.  It would be a first.
>
> Neal
>
> pibel <pibel@saintmail.net> wrote:
>  As an optimist I would love to see this help
> the team get it together and make a run at the Big XII
> Tourney title.
> Kerry Hookstra
> Erick, Oklahoma(where orange and black are the dominant
> college colors)
>
> From: "Tony Lambert"
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Football State
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:54:33 -0600
>
> Maybe the people are more worried about the use of Steroids
> in the football program. than a good old basketball game
> with lots of floor burns and enthusiasm.
>
>
> Tony Lambert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Skylar Dodds"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:48 PM
> Subject: [Husker] Football State
>
>
> > No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the
> country and > we get two posts? I'm just curious why
> everyone thinks that is. >
> > If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been
> 'burnt' by > getting their hopes up for this year's team.
> >
> > I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in
> my lifetime. >
> >
> > --
> > Skylar
> >
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From reich at inetnebr.com  Wed Feb 23 21:43:17 2005
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Wed Feb 23 21:47:18 2005
Subject: [Husker] Football State
Message-ID: <200502240343.VAA19653@stork.inebraska.com>

I think some people feel "good news is no news" --- or is that
"if you can't say anything critical, don't say anything at all".
(And you know who I'm talking about.)

> Maybe the people are more worried about the use of Steroids in the football 
> program. than a good old basketball game with lots of floor burns and 
> enthusiasm.
> 
> Tony Lambert
> 
> > No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the country and
> > we get two posts? I'm just curious why everyone thinks that is.
> >
> > If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been 'burnt' by
> > getting their hopes up for this year's team.
> >
> > I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in my lifetime.
> >
> > Skylar

From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Wed Feb 23 22:12:00 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Wed Feb 23 22:13:42 2005
Subject: [Husker] Top 5
Message-ID: <013901c51a26$fd7ec430$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in my lifetime.

Skylar, What are the top five games in your opinion that you have witnessed



Tony Lambert
From kurtholst at netzero.net  Wed Feb 23 22:20:53 2005
From: kurtholst at netzero.net (Kurt Holst)
Date: Wed Feb 23 22:21:07 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Football State
In-Reply-To: <20050224024735.71064.qmail@web54402.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050224024735.71064.qmail@web54402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <421D5625.1020502@netzero.net>

Neal Smith wrote:

>I would like to see NU win a Big 12 tourney game.  It would be a first.
> 
>
Gotta love the in-depth research this guy does...

Kurt in FL

From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Wed Feb 23 22:19:55 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 23 22:21:29 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Football State
Message-ID: <19a.2ef2f4e0.2f4eafeb@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/23/05 3:52:43 PM Central Standard Time, 
Sklarbodds@cox.net writes:


> No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the country and
> we get two posts? I'm just curious why everyone thinks that is.
> 
> If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been 'burnt' by
> getting their hopes up for this year's team.
> 
> I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in my lifetime.

I've been disappointed like a lot of people by having hopes that we'd show 
the measurable improvement this year that we showed last.  However, I've also 
discovered the therapeutic value in lettin' the fingers fly following a 
disppointing NU performance this year (although I was a bit TOO disgruntled when I hit 
'send' after the KU and ISU losses here in Lincoln ... coulda' been a lot 
worse!).

I think that IF the Huskers ever made it to where they were a consistent top 
1/4th-in-the-conference finisher (meaning Top 15 nationally with THIS league 
being the way it is) an occasional conference title, post-season tourney crown, 
Sweet 16 partipant 2 out of 5 years (a guy can dream, can't he?), always win 
that first round NCAA game; basically, do what Wisconsin's managed to do over 
the past 10 years ...

... if we ever achieved that next level and remained there, I think 
related-traffic on this list would shoot up, Husker hoops fandom would reach the next 
level right along with the program and people would rediscover the game of 
college basketball.  Reason being because it would be now be relevant in an 
exciting way for the school and state we love.

Here's MY keen sense for the obvious ...

We're all human and we all love a winner.  And NU basketball hasn't won.  Not 
anywhere close to what we consider "winning" in Big Red land.  College 
basketball isn't what college football is here ... no where close ... who wonders 
why?

I'm a huge follower and constituent of Husker hoops ... but there have been 
times at the end of Collier's first few years and the last few seasons of the 
Nee era, where I just had to "check out" and not take it so seriously.

If those who bleed red and live in Maryland, or California, or Arizona could 
actually catch the end of a big Husker win on ESPN College basketball more 
than once every six years, then you'd have some potential for reincarnating some 
of the NU hoops fans that Danny Nee killed off his last few years here (by the 
way, highlights of the fans storming the floor at Bob's House aired moments 
after the conclusion of last night's win).  If NU was a top 25 team perenially, 
those out-of-state fans would start watching the ESPN bottom line for the 
score, check the Husker List for updates, and watch the national sports shows at 
10 p.m., or whenever, to see how Husker basketball fared (you might even have 
a Husker hoops schedule in your desk at work?  At home?!!).

Sorry for the length ... but I think I'm just getting started.  Look, there's 
another Husker basketball thread now!

Dave Norris
From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Wed Feb 23 23:12:54 2005
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Wed Feb 23 23:13:36 2005
Subject: [Husker] Football State
In-Reply-To: <20050224024630.48393.qmail@web54409.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050224024630.48393.qmail@web54409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06210201be431278be85@[192.168.1.4]>

Neal Smith wrote:

>No offense to any of the ladies on the site, but women's sports are 
>not as important as mens sports.  Ya, the volleyball team is great 
>and they get good crowd support but it doesn't pay the bills like 
>the football team.  Guys like guys sports.  Sure the volleyball 
>players are good to look at and are very athletic, but it is not 
>football or even baseball or men's basketball.

One minor correction, if I may:

Women's sports are indeed equally important as men's sports although 
not equally popular - - yet.

Steve Stone

From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Wed Feb 23 23:43:57 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 23 23:45:28 2005
Subject: [Husker] The Irresponsible Rush to "Bury Barry"
Message-ID: <c8.5953fdf9.2f4ec39d@aol.com>

The easy thing to do is hop on the "Bury Barry" bandwagon ... however, 
there's not much room left.  Five weeks ago, I thought Barry Collier's job here was 
safe.  Now I'm NOT so sure.  The bandwagon is gaining momentum on a daily 
basis.  But the piling on and superficial sniping by some of the knee-jerk, 
flavor-of-the-week crowd is starting to get to me.

If someone were to ask me "should Barry be fired?" ... I'd have to admit I 
can see both sides.  But I'm leaning about 70-30 that he SHOULD be given one 
more year.  Nobody's been more specifically critical of him on this list than me 
(come to think of it, nobody's probably defended him as much, either).  But 
you've NEVER heard me come close to saying he should be axed.

I know the record.  I know the frustration.  I know about how he sat his star 
freshman for basically all of the second half of the KU game -- I won't 
defend it.  But I also know what the program was like when he took it over.  Fire 
him and who are you gonna' get who's going to wave a magic wand over the 
Devaney Center and make it all better?  No, he hasn't done what he needs to do ... 
not yet.  Maybe he won't.

But I also remember the old baseball axiom that goes "sometimes, the best 
trades are the ones that you DON'T make."  You'll find some K-State fans who wish 
they wouldn't have tried to run Dana Altman out of town years ago.

We lose four seniors off this year's team, but next year we'll have more 
overall talent.  I heard some idiot on some talking-head show say today that 
"nobody's seen these incoming players play."  Yes, we have and they ARE legit (I'll 
guarantee you that Pedersen and Boehm have seen them play!).  Nobody's 
questioning whether or not McCray and Maric are ready-for-prime-time Big XII players 
now, and these new guys are supposed to be in their talent class.  I say, 
bring it on!  

There's a major change coming next year.  The new guys take over.  Next year, 
Joe McCray and Aleks Maric are, all of a sudden, the cornerstones of your 
team.  It's THEIR team (and they've shown enough of a collective nasty, 
get-after-it, only-the-strong-survive mentality to make me think that they definitely 
"get it.").

Eddie Sutton is as good as it gets.  Last night he said that he didn't think 
Collier initially understood the level of talent needed to compete in this 
league.  He also said that it's evident that the talent is getting better at NU 
and that "these people" need to cut him some slack.  Of course, fellow coaches 
are going to be supportive, but it also segues into a rant about what an 
irresponsible "journalist" Tom Shatel is.

Is he (Shatel) aware that he's the sports columnist for the largest newspaper 
in this state?  He's talking about somebody's job here and he was WAY TOO 
QUICK to fire off that column.  I know about selling newspapers, so please don't 
go there.  But he's also in a position where he can help incite and/or sustain 
the witch-hunt mentality and he's chosen to do just that.  I thought it was 
in poor taste.  It was WAY TOO QUICK ... irresponsible?  I think so.  At the 
least, it was very premature.  If you have to run it, why not run it after the 
season's over?  I know ... the rush to be first!  I know he's a columnist, not 
a reporter -- and I know the difference.  But the number one rule in 
journalism is "don't become the story!"  Congrats, Shatel.  They were laughing at you 
on ESPN last night and Eddie Sutton thinks you're an idiot.

Shatel mentioned that the incoming players were legit but questioned whether 
or not Barry was "the right guy to coach them?"  If Barry's gone, that's a big 
assumption to think these new players will stick around for the duration.  I 
think they (Harris, White, Walker, Marks, etc.) have signed and are committed 
for next year.  One scenario is to keep Barry for another year, and say 
good-bye if he doesn't make the leap NEXT YEAR.  At least that would make it tougher 
for these newcomers to leave, I would think.  

My bottom line:  I want to see these new kids in Husker uniforms and if it 
means keeping Barry for another year, if for no other reason, THEN YOU DO IT.  
Disagree?  Fine.  But tell me what you have in mind and how you're 
realistically going to resuscitate the program?

And as far as Shatel is concerned?  What a tower-sitting, pot-shot sniper!  
I've waited for a while now for the talent level to improve like it has over 
the past two years.  I'm ready to stick it out another year.  This talent is 
what I've been waiting to watch.  I'm totally offended by some J-School hack from 
Missouri firing off an "oh, just fire him" piece of drivel relating to 
something I care about.

Thanks for the therapy session, fellow listers.

Dave Norris
From strongtodd at msn.com  Wed Feb 23 19:40:45 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Thu Feb 24 01:12:12 2005
Subject: [Husker] Football State
References: <21082457937.20050223154849@cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV9BDA78A4AC7AF7FCA4A9FCD640@phx.gbl>

A friend of mine said the same thing. He was in attendance and said NU took 
it to 'em. Not a fluke game.

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skylar Dodds" <Sklarbodds@cox.net>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: [Husker] Football State


> No to criticize, but a solid win over the #4 team in the country and
> we get two posts? I'm just curious why everyone thinks that is.
>
> If I had to guess, it's because too many ppl have been 'burnt' by
> getting their hopes up for this year's team.
>
> I will say, that's one of the top 5 NU games I've seen in my lifetime.
>
>
> --
> Skylar
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Thu Feb 24 01:49:10 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Thu Feb 24 01:49:39 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
In-Reply-To: <000801c51a15$d9f3dc00$20148f18@husker>
References: <000801c51a15$d9f3dc00$20148f18@husker>
Message-ID: <200502240149100515.035E179E@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>





On 2/23/2005 at 7:09 PM Mike and Kelly Petersen wrote:

>>Bob,
>>So what is the point of all of this " What did Osborne know and when did
>>he know it"?


     You will have to tell me.  He says of those tested no one tested positive.  I'll buy that.  What about those not tested or those tested after they have quit using the stuff for a while?  Steroids were used while TO was the coach.  Either he honestly didn't know or he let it go on.  It has to be one or the other.  





>>I haven't heard anyone call him a saint, but winning games wasn't the
>>only thing that 
>>kept him his job. His character was equally important. 



      I will agree it was wonderful to have a man that could win games along with being a man of character.  But, you can't seriously make me believe if TO couldn't have ever finished above .500 his character would have mattered and kept him Head Coach for 25 years.  It was indeed winning that kept him Head Coach for 25 years. He could have been a man of the highest integrity ever but if he couldn't have won a football game the wolves would have been out.  If his character wouldn't have been what it was but his record would have been he still could have coached at NU for 25 years.  If it was vice versa I doubt he would have lasted that long.  The point is people want wins plain and simple.  NU fans are no different than anyone else.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.




      


From jeffv at alphavideo.com  Thu Feb 24 07:21:03 2005
From: jeffv at alphavideo.com (Jeff Volk)
Date: Thu Feb 24 07:21:42 2005
Subject: [Husker] Football State
Message-ID: <4F3BDB8A21E06943A7AF378A57513402E66153@Chiba.alphavideo.com>


>>Neal Smith wrote:

>>No offense to any of the ladies on the site, but women's sports are 
>>not as important as mens sports.  Ya, the volleyball team is great 
>>and they get good crowd support but it doesn't pay the bills like 
>>the football team.  Guys like guys sports.  Sure the volleyball 
>>players are good to look at and are very athletic, but it is not 
>>football or even baseball or men's basketball.

>Steve Ston wrote:

>Women's sports are indeed equally important as men's sports although 
>not equally popular - - yet.



In the Husker List spirit of a topic never dying, always being rehashed and often becoming dreadfully overdiscussed, what do you say we take the start of this thread as an opportunity to revive debate on a wonderfully boring topic..."Title IX: Good or bad for college athletics?"

Have a great day! <eg>

Sincerely,

Jeffrey Volk

From russvolb at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 24 07:19:33 2005
From: russvolb at earthlink.net (Russ Volberding)
Date: Thu Feb 24 07:24:34 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Sports
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050224071611.00a27b50@pop.earthlink.net>

John Wooden[sp?] once said that if you wanted to watch basketball the way 
it was meant to be played, you should attend a H.S. girls game.


>Guys like guys sports. I would beg to differ with you Neal. I like to 
>watch women's Basketball. It is how the game was meant to be played with 
>finesse. And no jumping out of the gym and all the showoff @@@@ that goes 
>on in the men's game. And i also like to watch Volleyball. All though i 
>don't know all the rule's. but it is very entraining.
>Tony Lambert
>_______________________________________________
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>husker@tssi.com
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From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Thu Feb 24 07:28:45 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Thu Feb 24 07:29:33 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids
Message-ID: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A684@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com>

I will say in the case of Williams that he did do time but by the time
he was convicted he was already playing for the Packers. This shows the
pace of justice since Williams did this his freshman year. I would also
like to point out he capped the guys car and not the guy himself. Again,
I'm sure there was some internal punishment but Osborne has always let
the justice system work things out before he gives an outright
punishment. Let's remember that Damon Benning was arrested for domestic
violence only to have the charges dropped because they were false. It
would have sucked if Osborne punished Benning and then the charges were
proven to be false later. 

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:43 PM
To: Dick Karre; husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids

Brian Blankenship - motor vehicle homocide, never missed a down -  I
think he was in jail and still played.
Tyrone Williams - capped a guy, never missed a down.
Broderick Thomas - banned from the dorms for violence, never missed a
down
 
 
Neal 

Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote:
Exhibit A: Riley Washington, third/fourth-string WB accused of attempted
murder; TO suspended him for two weeks, then decided he was innocent and
reinstated him. Washington was eventually exonerated.

Exhibit B: Lawrence Phillips. Phillips was a starter, but the way TO
treated
him proves (to me, anyway) the point jj is making. Recall that while LP
was
suspended, TO didn't allow him to practice. Thus, when he was reinstated
a
week before NU's (presumably) toughest game (CU on the road), he wasn't
ready to play. If TO had been concerned only with winning, you can be
sure
he would have had LP ready for the Buffies.

Dick Karre
dkarre@comcast.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "j j" 

I think 99% of the time TO knew what he was doing when he punished a kid
and
when he let him back on the team and it wasn't always about whether the
kid
could help him win or not. I'm sure that there were kids that hardly
ever
played that were treated just the same.


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From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Thu Feb 24 07:33:57 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Thu Feb 24 07:34:45 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
Message-ID: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A685@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com>

I wonder if Osborne meant scholarship players not testing positive
because I know of two guys from South High who walked on in the late
eighties and by ninety or ninety-one were kicked off the team for
testing positive to often for steroids. It was very apparent since one
of them gained about fifty or sixty pounds of muscle from sophomore to
junior year in high school. They both went on to play for smaller
colleges in the area. 

Sean 

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Beach
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:49 AM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Osborne





On 2/23/2005 at 7:09 PM Mike and Kelly Petersen wrote:

>>Bob,
>>So what is the point of all of this " What did Osborne know and when
did
>>he know it"?


     You will have to tell me.  He says of those tested no one tested
positive.  I'll buy that.  What about those not tested or those tested
after they have quit using the stuff for a while?  Steroids were used
while TO was the coach.  Either he honestly didn't know or he let it go
on.  It has to be one or the other.  





>>I haven't heard anyone call him a saint, but winning games wasn't the
>>only thing that 
>>kept him his job. His character was equally important. 



      I will agree it was wonderful to have a man that could win games
along with being a man of character.  But, you can't seriously make me
believe if TO couldn't have ever finished above .500 his character would
have mattered and kept him Head Coach for 25 years.  It was indeed
winning that kept him Head Coach for 25 years. He could have been a man
of the highest integrity ever but if he couldn't have won a football
game the wolves would have been out.  If his character wouldn't have
been what it was but his record would have been he still could have
coached at NU for 25 years.  If it was vice versa I doubt he would have
lasted that long.  The point is people want wins plain and simple.  NU
fans are no different than anyone else.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't
know.




      


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From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Thu Feb 24 07:35:37 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Thu Feb 24 07:37:20 2005
Subject: [Husker] The Irresponsible Rush to "Bury Barry"
Message-ID: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A686@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com>

I have found that with Shatel the opposite happens to what he predicts.
That's why I knew the Packers weren't going to the Super Bowl this year.
Shatel predicted they would be there. I see the same thing with Collier.


Sean

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From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of NUStLNorris@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:44 PM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] The Irresponsible Rush to "Bury Barry"

The easy thing to do is hop on the "Bury Barry" bandwagon ... however, 
there's not much room left.  Five weeks ago, I thought Barry Collier's
job here was 
safe.  Now I'm NOT so sure.  The bandwagon is gaining momentum on a
daily 
basis.  But the piling on and superficial sniping by some of the
knee-jerk, 
flavor-of-the-week crowd is starting to get to me.

If someone were to ask me "should Barry be fired?" ... I'd have to admit
I 
can see both sides.  But I'm leaning about 70-30 that he SHOULD be given
one 
more year.  Nobody's been more specifically critical of him on this list
than me 
(come to think of it, nobody's probably defended him as much, either).
But 
you've NEVER heard me come close to saying he should be axed.

I know the record.  I know the frustration.  I know about how he sat his
star 
freshman for basically all of the second half of the KU game -- I won't 
defend it.  But I also know what the program was like when he took it
over.  Fire 
him and who are you gonna' get who's going to wave a magic wand over the

Devaney Center and make it all better?  No, he hasn't done what he needs
to do ... 
not yet.  Maybe he won't.

But I also remember the old baseball axiom that goes "sometimes, the
best 
trades are the ones that you DON'T make."  You'll find some K-State fans
who wish 
they wouldn't have tried to run Dana Altman out of town years ago.

We lose four seniors off this year's team, but next year we'll have more

overall talent.  I heard some idiot on some talking-head show say today
that 
"nobody's seen these incoming players play."  Yes, we have and they ARE
legit (I'll 
guarantee you that Pedersen and Boehm have seen them play!).  Nobody's 
questioning whether or not McCray and Maric are ready-for-prime-time Big
XII players 
now, and these new guys are supposed to be in their talent class.  I
say, 
bring it on!  

There's a major change coming next year.  The new guys take over.  Next
year, 
Joe McCray and Aleks Maric are, all of a sudden, the cornerstones of
your 
team.  It's THEIR team (and they've shown enough of a collective nasty, 
get-after-it, only-the-strong-survive mentality to make me think that
they definitely 
"get it.").

Eddie Sutton is as good as it gets.  Last night he said that he didn't
think 
Collier initially understood the level of talent needed to compete in
this 
league.  He also said that it's evident that the talent is getting
better at NU 
and that "these people" need to cut him some slack.  Of course, fellow
coaches 
are going to be supportive, but it also segues into a rant about what an

irresponsible "journalist" Tom Shatel is.

Is he (Shatel) aware that he's the sports columnist for the largest
newspaper 
in this state?  He's talking about somebody's job here and he was WAY
TOO 
QUICK to fire off that column.  I know about selling newspapers, so
please don't 
go there.  But he's also in a position where he can help incite and/or
sustain 
the witch-hunt mentality and he's chosen to do just that.  I thought it
was 
in poor taste.  It was WAY TOO QUICK ... irresponsible?  I think so.  At
the 
least, it was very premature.  If you have to run it, why not run it
after the 
season's over?  I know ... the rush to be first!  I know he's a
columnist, not 
a reporter -- and I know the difference.  But the number one rule in 
journalism is "don't become the story!"  Congrats, Shatel.  They were
laughing at you 
on ESPN last night and Eddie Sutton thinks you're an idiot.

Shatel mentioned that the incoming players were legit but questioned
whether 
or not Barry was "the right guy to coach them?"  If Barry's gone, that's
a big 
assumption to think these new players will stick around for the
duration.  I 
think they (Harris, White, Walker, Marks, etc.) have signed and are
committed 
for next year.  One scenario is to keep Barry for another year, and say 
good-bye if he doesn't make the leap NEXT YEAR.  At least that would
make it tougher 
for these newcomers to leave, I would think.  

My bottom line:  I want to see these new kids in Husker uniforms and if
it 
means keeping Barry for another year, if for no other reason, THEN YOU
DO IT.  
Disagree?  Fine.  But tell me what you have in mind and how you're 
realistically going to resuscitate the program?

And as far as Shatel is concerned?  What a tower-sitting, pot-shot
sniper!  
I've waited for a while now for the talent level to improve like it has
over 
the past two years.  I'm ready to stick it out another year.  This
talent is 
what I've been waiting to watch.  I'm totally offended by some J-School
hack from 
Missouri firing off an "oh, just fire him" piece of drivel relating to 
something I care about.

Thanks for the therapy session, fellow listers.

Dave Norris
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From andy at knipp.com  Thu Feb 24 07:59:27 2005
From: andy at knipp.com (Andy Knipp)
Date: Thu Feb 24 08:00:10 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
Message-ID: <20050224135927.EE4282F99A@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>



Or he did not want to answer that question.  IIRC FS stated he would not answer
"due to privacy concerns".


> 
> I wonder if Osborne meant scholarship players not testing positive
> because I know of two guys from South High who walked on in the late
> eighties and by ninety or ninety-one were kicked off the team for
> testing positive to often for steroids. It was very apparent since one
> of them gained about fifty or sixty pounds of muscle from sophomore to
> junior year in high school. They both went on to play for smaller
> colleges in the area.
> 
> Sean
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
> Of Bob Beach
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:49 AM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [Husker] Osborne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/23/2005 at 7:09 PM Mike and Kelly Petersen wrote:
> 
> >> Bob,
> >> So what is the point of all of this " What did Osborne know and when
> did
> >> he know it"?
> 
> 
>       You will have to tell me.  He says of those tested no one tested
> positive.  I'll buy that.  What about those not tested or those tested
> after they have quit using the stuff for a while?  Steroids were used
> while TO was the coach.  Either he honestly didn't know or he let it go
> on.  It has to be one or the other.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> I haven't heard anyone call him a saint, but winning games wasn't the
> >> only thing that kept him his job. His character was equally important.
> 
> 
> 
>        I will agree it was wonderful to have a man that could win games
> along with being a man of character.  But, you can't seriously make me
> believe if TO couldn't have ever finished above .500 his character would
> have mattered and kept him Head Coach for 25 years.  It was indeed
> winning that kept him Head Coach for 25 years. He could have been a man
> of the highest integrity ever but if he couldn't have won a football
> game the wolves would have been out.  If his character wouldn't have
> been what it was but his record would have been he still could have
> coached at NU for 25 years.  If it was vice versa I doubt he would have
> lasted that long.  The point is people want wins plain and simple.  NU
> fans are no different than anyone else.
> 
> 
> Bob Beach
> The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't
> know.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jonlists at cbsol.com  Thu Feb 24 08:07:16 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Thu Feb 24 08:15:15 2005
Subject: [Husker] The Irresponsible Rush to "Bury Barry"
In-Reply-To: <c8.5953fdf9.2f4ec39d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OF7007AA8B.91C0BD2F-ON86256FB2.004D52E9-86256FB2.004E0E5B@cbsol.com>

A few things: 

- I'd give Barry Collier more than one more year. I don't think anyone has 
a chance at Nebraska unless they're around for the very long term, the 
talent level is improving, not because a bunch of guys suddenly decided to 
start coming here, but because of Barry. 

- Why don't we start a "fire Tom Shatel" movement? "firetomshatel.com" is 
available as a domain, ya know. 

After the OSU win, I posted that the future was never more evident. This 
had to do with the fact that when McCray and Maric play well, we win. When 
they don't, we don't necessarily lose, but the guys that are more 
experienced that should be stepping up and taking over aren't - at least 
consistently. 

The women got mashed last night by #17 KSU. Ouch. 

Jon Johnston
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husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/23/2005 11:43:57 PM:

> The easy thing to do is hop on the "Bury Barry" bandwagon ... however, 
> there's not much room left.  Five weeks ago, I thought Barry 
> Collier's job here was 
> safe.  Now I'm NOT so sure.  The bandwagon is gaining momentum on a 
daily 
> basis.  But the piling on and superficial sniping by some of the 
knee-jerk, 
> flavor-of-the-week crowd is starting to get to me.
> 
> If someone were to ask me "should Barry be fired?" ... I'd have to admit 
I 
> can see both sides.  But I'm leaning about 70-30 that he SHOULD be given 
one 
> more year.  Nobody's been more specifically critical of him on this 
> list than me 
> (come to think of it, nobody's probably defended him as much, either). 
But 
> you've NEVER heard me come close to saying he should be axed.
> 
> I know the record.  I know the frustration.  I know about how he sathis 
star 
> freshman for basically all of the second half of the KU game -- I won't 
> defend it.  But I also know what the program was like when he took 
> it over.  Fire 
> him and who are you gonna' get who's going to wave a magic wand over the 

> Devaney Center and make it all better?  No, he hasn't done what he 
> needs to do ... 
> not yet.  Maybe he won't.
> 
> But I also remember the old baseball axiom that goes "sometimes, the 
best 
> trades are the ones that you DON'T make."  You'll find some K-State 
> fans who wish 
> they wouldn't have tried to run Dana Altman out of town years ago.
> 
> We lose four seniors off this year's team, but next year we'll have more 

> overall talent.  I heard some idiot on some talking-head show say today 
that 
> "nobody's seen these incoming players play."  Yes, we have and they 
> ARE legit (I'll 
> guarantee you that Pedersen and Boehm have seen them play!).  Nobody's 
> questioning whether or not McCray and Maric are ready-for-prime-time
> Big XII players 
> now, and these new guys are supposed to be in their talent class.  I 
say, 
> bring it on! 
> 
> There's a major change coming next year.  The new guys take over.  Next 
year, 
> Joe McCray and Aleks Maric are, all of a sudden, the cornerstones of 
your 
> team.  It's THEIR team (and they've shown enough of a collective nasty, 
> get-after-it, only-the-strong-survive mentality to make me think 
> that they definitely 
> "get it.").
> 
> Eddie Sutton is as good as it gets.  Last night he said that he didn't 
think 
> Collier initially understood the level of talent needed to compete in 
this 
> league.  He also said that it's evident that the talent is getting 
> better at NU 
> and that "these people" need to cut him some slack.  Of course, 
> fellow coaches 
> are going to be supportive, but it also segues into a rant about what an 

> irresponsible "journalist" Tom Shatel is.
> 
> Is he (Shatel) aware that he's the sports columnist for the largest 
newspaper 
> in this state?  He's talking about somebody's job here and he was WAY 
TOO 
> QUICK to fire off that column.  I know about selling newspapers, so 
> please don't 
> go there.  But he's also in a position where he can help incite 
> and/or sustain 
> the witch-hunt mentality and he's chosen to do just that.  I thought it 
was 
> in poor taste.  It was WAY TOO QUICK ... irresponsible?  I think so.  At 
the 
> least, it was very premature.  If you have to run it, why not run 
itafter the 
> season's over?  I know ... the rush to be first!  I know he's a 
> columnist, not 
> a reporter -- and I know the difference.  But the number one rule in 
> journalism is "don't become the story!"  Congrats, Shatel.  They 
> were laughing at you 
> on ESPN last night and Eddie Sutton thinks you're an idiot.
> 
> Shatel mentioned that the incoming players were legit but questioned 
whether 
> or not Barry was "the right guy to coach them?"  If Barry's gone, 
> that's a big 
> assumption to think these new players will stick around for the 
duration.  I 
> think they (Harris, White, Walker, Marks, etc.) have signed and are 
committed 
> for next year.  One scenario is to keep Barry for another year, and say 
> good-bye if he doesn't make the leap NEXT YEAR.  At least that would
> make it tougher 
> for these newcomers to leave, I would think. 
> 
> My bottom line:  I want to see these new kids in Husker uniforms and if 
it 
> means keeping Barry for another year, if for no other reason, THEN 
> YOU DO IT. 
> Disagree?  Fine.  But tell me what you have in mind and how you're 
> realistically going to resuscitate the program?
> 
> And as far as Shatel is concerned?  What a tower-sitting, pot-shot 
sniper! 
> I've waited for a while now for the talent level to improve like it has 
over 
> the past two years.  I'm ready to stick it out another year.  This 
talent is 
> what I've been waiting to watch.  I'm totally offended by some J-
> School hack from 
> Missouri firing off an "oh, just fire him" piece of drivel relating to 
> something I care about.
> 
> Thanks for the therapy session, fellow listers.
> 
> Dave Norris
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From jonlists at cbsol.com  Thu Feb 24 08:09:36 2005
From: jonlists at cbsol.com (jonlists)
Date: Thu Feb 24 08:17:33 2005
Subject: [Husker] Football State
In-Reply-To: <4F3BDB8A21E06943A7AF378A57513402E66153@Chiba.alphavideo.com>
Message-ID: <OFFA640A07.CE9196E3-ON86256FB2.004E3B44-86256FB2.004E44D4@cbsol.com>

Title IX? Well - it is nearly spring, isn't it? 

Chain Yanker!

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husker-bounces@tssi.com wrote on 02/24/2005 07:21:03 AM:

> 
> >>Neal Smith wrote:
> 
> >>No offense to any of the ladies on the site, but women's sports are 
> >>not as important as mens sports.  Ya, the volleyball team is great 
> >>and they get good crowd support but it doesn't pay the bills like 
> >>the football team.  Guys like guys sports.  Sure the volleyball 
> >>players are good to look at and are very athletic, but it is not 
> >>football or even baseball or men's basketball.
> 
> >Steve Ston wrote:
> 
> >Women's sports are indeed equally important as men's sports although 
> >not equally popular - - yet.
> 
> 
> 
> In the Husker List spirit of a topic never dying, always being 
> rehashed and often becoming dreadfully overdiscussed, what do you 
> say we take the start of this thread as an opportunity to revive 
> debate on a wonderfully boring topic..."Title IX: Good or bad for 
> college athletics?"
> 
> Have a great day! <eg>
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Jeffrey Volk
> 
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From DUXANDLOXY at aol.com  Thu Feb 24 08:55:26 2005
From: DUXANDLOXY at aol.com (DUXANDLOXY@aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 24 08:56:50 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
Message-ID: <75.3fa76deb.2f4f44de@aol.com>

gee who was the strength coach at the time.... I think he had more to do  
with it then Tom O, if there was a issue.
 
Kay
From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Thu Feb 24 09:52:39 2005
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Thu Feb 24 09:53:19 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
In-Reply-To: <75.3fa76deb.2f4f44de@aol.com>
References: <75.3fa76deb.2f4f44de@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06210206be43a860b8f9@[192.168.1.4]>

Kay wrote:

>gee who was the strength coach at the time.... I think he had more to do
>with it then Tom O, if there was a issue.

There's no real issue here, Kay, just a few bored guys sitting in the 
cheap seats, bored out of their skulls.

Steve

From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Thu Feb 24 10:16:55 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Thu Feb 24 10:17:26 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
In-Reply-To: <20050224135927.EE4282F99A@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050224135927.EE4282F99A@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200502241016550562.00C35C54@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>



*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 2/24/2005 at 6:59 AM Andy Knipp wrote:

>>Or he did not want to answer that question.  IIRC FS stated he would
>>not answer
>>"due to privacy concerns".



     Maybe I'm missing something here.  As I see it TO DID answer the question.  He answered it, "other than the first two years no one tested positive for steroids."  Some have said maybe he only meant scholarship players.  Some say he meant only those tested by the NCAA.  I really don't know.  I just know what he was quoted as saying and he didn't qualify anything, at least not in the quote in the article.  And it has become evident that not only were there players on steroids there were some that under whatever circumstances tested positive after the first two years.  So I guess at best what TO meant, or was quoted, wasn't very clear.  


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.


From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Thu Feb 24 10:19:55 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Thu Feb 24 10:20:26 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
In-Reply-To: <p06210206be43a860b8f9@[192.168.1.4]>
References: <75.3fa76deb.2f4f44de@aol.com>
	<p06210206be43a860b8f9@[192.168.1.4]>
Message-ID: <200502241019550578.00C61B83@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>



*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 2/24/2005 at 8:52 AM Steve Stone wrote:

>>Kay wrote:
>>
>>>gee who was the strength coach at the time.... I think he had more to do
>>>with it then Tom O, if there was a issue.
>>
>>There's no real issue here, Kay, just a few bored guys sitting in the 
>>cheap seats, bored out of their skulls.
>>
>>Steve




    You responded didn't you?  What does that say about YOUR mentality?  If you are so far above these things and only address cutting edge issues why did you bother?


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.





From SeanM at omahasteaks.com  Thu Feb 24 11:32:22 2005
From: SeanM at omahasteaks.com (Sean McGrath)
Date: Thu Feb 24 11:33:38 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
Message-ID: <CAE12EEC202D094580C1B4A932EAE15B01A68C@OSIEXSRVR.omahasteaks.com>

Let's finally end this thread with the fact that just about every D1
program had steroid abuse, especially in the eighties. I think the
Huskers garnered more attention from the general public because of their
revolutionary weight training program (at least at that time) and the
way they would physically dominate their opponents. This gave most
people the appearance of steroid abuse where there really wasn't any
except if you're a certain SI reporter who came in and did a hatchet
expose. After dropping off another lister to the airport, back when the
Huskers went to the CWS, I saw this reporter there and almost stopped to
give him a piece of my mind (he did a report on aluminum bats and their
dangers in college baseball on Real Sports). We'll never really find out
how many Husker were or weren't on the juice and using semantics to try
and solve the question doesn't help. 

Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Beach
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:17 AM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re[2]: [Husker] Osborne



*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 2/24/2005 at 6:59 AM Andy Knipp wrote:

>>Or he did not want to answer that question.  IIRC FS stated he would
>>not answer
>>"due to privacy concerns".



     Maybe I'm missing something here.  As I see it TO DID answer the
question.  He answered it, "other than the first two years no one tested
positive for steroids."  Some have said maybe he only meant scholarship
players.  Some say he meant only those tested by the NCAA.  I really
don't know.  I just know what he was quoted as saying and he didn't
qualify anything, at least not in the quote in the article.  And it has
become evident that not only were there players on steroids there were
some that under whatever circumstances tested positive after the first
two years.  So I guess at best what TO meant, or was quoted, wasn't very
clear.  


Bob Beach
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know.


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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 24 19:00:02 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Thu Feb 24 19:01:20 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Football State
In-Reply-To: <421D5625.1020502@netzero.net>
Message-ID: <20050225010002.53246.qmail@web54409.mail.yahoo.com>

It would be a first for Collier.  
 
Neal 

Kurt Holst <kurtholst@netzero.net> wrote:
Neal Smith wrote:

>I would like to see NU win a Big 12 tourney game. It would be a first.
> 
>
Gotta love the in-depth research this guy does...

Kurt in FL

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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 24 19:21:36 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Thu Feb 24 19:22:52 2005
Subject: [Husker] Barrett Ruud update
Message-ID: <20050225012136.40708.qmail@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Today's Omaha paper has a story about Barrett Ruud's
preparations for the NFL draft.  He's working out in
Arizona, along with Richie Incognito.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1344766

Also in today's paper, Mike Kelly talks about Steve
Pederson's visit with the Californias for Nebraska:

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=1636&u_sid=1344573

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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 24 20:01:28 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Thu Feb 24 20:02:44 2005
Subject: [Husker] The Irresponsible Rush to "Bury Barry"
In-Reply-To: <c8.5953fdf9.2f4ec39d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050225020128.53759.qmail@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This evening, I was listening to the Average Joe show
out of Lincoln and Columbus, and I believe it was Bill
Doleman that made a couple more observations about
Collier.

1.  Until last season, the NCAA had an 8/5 rule for
basketball scholarships.  You could only hand out 5
scholarships a year, and 8 scholarships every 2 years.
  When Collier arrived, there weren't many
underclassmen left, which meant that Collier's hands
were tied in recruiting his first few years in
rebuilding the roster.

2.  Colliers first assistants, Dave "Soupy" Campbell
and Mike Broughton, seemed to be duds when it came to
recruiting.  Both are gone now.  One of the
replacements, Scott Spinelli, is a top recruiter, and
signed Joe McCray and Aleks Maric last year.

People who call for "Burying Barry" focus on the big
overall picture:  losing record, slightly declining
attendance from Nee's last year.

People who want to give Collier another year or two
are looking a little deeper.  They see the internal
signs of improvement, even if they don't show up in
the won-loss record.

I really don't think you fire a guy in 2005 because of
mistakes made 3-5 years ago and have seemingly been
corrected.


--- NUStLNorris@aol.com wrote:

> The easy thing to do is hop on the "Bury Barry"
> bandwagon ... however, 
> there's not much room left.  Five weeks ago, I
> thought Barry Collier's job here was 
> safe.  Now I'm NOT so sure.  The bandwagon is
> gaining momentum on a daily 
> basis.  But the piling on and superficial sniping by
> some of the knee-jerk, 
> flavor-of-the-week crowd is starting to get to me.
> 
> If someone were to ask me "should Barry be fired?"
> ... I'd have to admit I 
> can see both sides.  But I'm leaning about 70-30
> that he SHOULD be given one 
> more year.  Nobody's been more specifically critical
> of him on this list than me 
> (come to think of it, nobody's probably defended him
> as much, either).  But 
> you've NEVER heard me come close to saying he should
> be axed.
...
> But I also remember the old baseball axiom that goes
> "sometimes, the best 
> trades are the ones that you DON'T make."  You'll
> find some K-State fans who wish 
> they wouldn't have tried to run Dana Altman out of
> town years ago.
> 
> We lose four seniors off this year's team, but next
> year we'll have more 
> overall talent.  I heard some idiot on some
> talking-head show say today that 
> "nobody's seen these incoming players play."  Yes,
> we have and they ARE legit (I'll 
> guarantee you that Pedersen and Boehm have seen them
> play!).  Nobody's 
> questioning whether or not McCray and Maric are
> ready-for-prime-time Big XII players 
> now, and these new guys are supposed to be in their
> talent class.  I say, 
> bring it on!  
> 
> There's a major change coming next year.  The new
> guys take over.  Next year, 
> Joe McCray and Aleks Maric are, all of a sudden, the
> cornerstones of your 
> team.  It's THEIR team (and they've shown enough of
> a collective nasty, 
> get-after-it, only-the-strong-survive mentality to
> make me think that they definitely 
> "get it.").
> 
> Eddie Sutton is as good as it gets.  Last night he
> said that he didn't think 
> Collier initially understood the level of talent
> needed to compete in this 
> league.  He also said that it's evident that the
> talent is getting better at NU 
> and that "these people" need to cut him some slack. 
> Of course, fellow coaches 
> are going to be supportive, but it also segues into
> a rant about what an 
> irresponsible "journalist" Tom Shatel is.


=====
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From mgreen at nebraska.edu  Fri Feb 25 06:42:43 2005
From: mgreen at nebraska.edu (Merlin Green)
Date: Fri Feb 25 06:43:07 2005
Subject: [Husker] The Irresponsible Rush to "Bury Barry"
In-Reply-To: <20050225020128.53759.qmail@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OF6AB3877E.9DBFA264-ON86256FB3.0044AC3C-86256FB3.0045D464@nebraska.edu>

Well you look at it your way with your scarlet colored glasses.  I look at
it this way.

Jake Muhlheisen, worse now than as a freshman
John Turek, worse now than as a freshman
Corey Simms,  worst now than as a freshman
Wes Wilkenson, supposedly a top 100 player,  shows nothing until just a bit
of life this year.
Nate Johnson a player that fell into Barry's lap was not utilized to his
full potential until just a few games remained in his last year
And if Barry was restricted by the 5/8 rule, then way did he recruit such
dogs as Roy Enright, Dan Heimos, Marques Mcray (I think) and
many other questionable talents that are long gone and forgotten.
Sure McCray and Mariks look like good players, but can Barry develop them
or are they as good as they will ever be, which seems to be
more the norm.

That's my outlook on the situation.

Merlin Green



                                                                           
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This evening, I was listening to the Average Joe show
out of Lincoln and Columbus, and I believe it was Bill
Doleman that made a couple more observations about
Collier.

1.  Until last season, the NCAA had an 8/5 rule for
basketball scholarships.  You could only hand out 5
scholarships a year, and 8 scholarships every 2 years.
  When Collier arrived, there weren't many
underclassmen left, which meant that Collier's hands
were tied in recruiting his first few years in
rebuilding the roster.

2.  Colliers first assistants, Dave "Soupy" Campbell
and Mike Broughton, seemed to be duds when it came to
recruiting.  Both are gone now.  One of the
replacements, Scott Spinelli, is a top recruiter, and
signed Joe McCray and Aleks Maric last year.

People who call for "Burying Barry" focus on the big
overall picture:  losing record, slightly declining
attendance from Nee's last year.

People who want to give Collier another year or two
are looking a little deeper.  They see the internal
signs of improvement, even if they don't show up in
the won-loss record.

I really don't think you fire a guy in 2005 because of
mistakes made 3-5 years ago and have seemingly been
corrected.


--- NUStLNorris@aol.com wrote:

> The easy thing to do is hop on the "Bury Barry"
> bandwagon ... however,
> there's not much room left.  Five weeks ago, I
> thought Barry Collier's job here was
> safe.  Now I'm NOT so sure.  The bandwagon is
> gaining momentum on a daily
> basis.  But the piling on and superficial sniping by
> some of the knee-jerk,
> flavor-of-the-week crowd is starting to get to me.
>
> If someone were to ask me "should Barry be fired?"
> ... I'd have to admit I
> can see both sides.  But I'm leaning about 70-30
> that he SHOULD be given one
> more year.  Nobody's been more specifically critical
> of him on this list than me
> (come to think of it, nobody's probably defended him
> as much, either).  But
> you've NEVER heard me come close to saying he should
> be axed.
...
> But I also remember the old baseball axiom that goes
> "sometimes, the best
> trades are the ones that you DON'T make."  You'll
> find some K-State fans who wish
> they wouldn't have tried to run Dana Altman out of
> town years ago.
>
> We lose four seniors off this year's team, but next
> year we'll have more
> overall talent.  I heard some idiot on some
> talking-head show say today that
> "nobody's seen these incoming players play."  Yes,
> we have and they ARE legit (I'll
> guarantee you that Pedersen and Boehm have seen them
> play!).  Nobody's
> questioning whether or not McCray and Maric are
> ready-for-prime-time Big XII players
> now, and these new guys are supposed to be in their
> talent class.  I say,
> bring it on!
>
> There's a major change coming next year.  The new
> guys take over.  Next year,
> Joe McCray and Aleks Maric are, all of a sudden, the
> cornerstones of your
> team.  It's THEIR team (and they've shown enough of
> a collective nasty,
> get-after-it, only-the-strong-survive mentality to
> make me think that they definitely
> "get it.").
>
> Eddie Sutton is as good as it gets.  Last night he
> said that he didn't think
> Collier initially understood the level of talent
> needed to compete in this
> league.  He also said that it's evident that the
> talent is getting better at NU
> and that "these people" need to cut him some slack.
> Of course, fellow coaches
> are going to be supportive, but it also segues into
> a rant about what an
> irresponsible "journalist" Tom Shatel is.


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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 25 07:39:26 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Fri Feb 25 07:40:43 2005
Subject: [Husker] The Irresponsible Rush to "Bury Barry"
In-Reply-To: <OF6AB3877E.9DBFA264-ON86256FB3.0044AC3C-86256FB3.0045D464@nebraska.edu>
Message-ID: <20050225133926.81268.qmail@web54401.mail.yahoo.com>

Nice post, except calling a young man a "dog" is not nice.
 
Neal Smith
 
NU Class of 1983

Merlin Green <mgreen@nebraska.edu> wrote:
Well you look at it your way with your scarlet colored glasses. I look at
it this way.

Jake Muhlheisen, worse now than as a freshman
John Turek, worse now than as a freshman
Corey Simms, worst now than as a freshman
Wes Wilkenson, supposedly a top 100 player, shows nothing until just a bit
of life this year.
Nate Johnson a player that fell into Barry's lap was not utilized to his
full potential until just a few games remained in his last year
And if Barry was restricted by the 5/8 rule, then way did he recruit such
dogs as Roy Enright, Dan Heimos, Marques Mcray (I think) and
many other questionable talents that are long gone and forgotten.
Sure McCray and Mariks look like good players, but can Barry develop them
or are they as good as they will ever be, which seems to be
more the norm.

That's my outlook on the situation.

Merlin Green




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Subject 
02/24/2005 08:01 Re: [Husker] The Irresponsible Rush 
PM to "Bury Barry" 










This evening, I was listening to the Average Joe show
out of Lincoln and Columbus, and I believe it was Bill
Doleman that made a couple more observations about
Collier.

1. Until last season, the NCAA had an 8/5 rule for
basketball scholarships. You could only hand out 5
scholarships a year, and 8 scholarships every 2 years.
When Collier arrived, there weren't many
underclassmen left, which meant that Collier's hands
were tied in recruiting his first few years in
rebuilding the roster.

2. Colliers first assistants, Dave "Soupy" Campbell
and Mike Broughton, seemed to be duds when it came to
recruiting. Both are gone now. One of the
replacements, Scott Spinelli, is a top recruiter, and
signed Joe McCray and Aleks Maric last year.

People who call for "Burying Barry" focus on the big
overall picture: losing record, slightly declining
attendance from Nee's last year.

People who want to give Collier another year or two
are looking a little deeper. They see the internal
signs of improvement, even if they don't show up in
the won-loss record.

I really don't think you fire a guy in 2005 because of
mistakes made 3-5 years ago and have seemingly been
corrected.


--- NUStLNorris@aol.com wrote:

> The easy thing to do is hop on the "Bury Barry"
> bandwagon ... however,
> there's not much room left. Five weeks ago, I
> thought Barry Collier's job here was
> safe. Now I'm NOT so sure. The bandwagon is
> gaining momentum on a daily
> basis. But the piling on and superficial sniping by
> some of the knee-jerk,
> flavor-of-the-week crowd is starting to get to me.
>
> If someone were to ask me "should Barry be fired?"
> ... I'd have to admit I
> can see both sides. But I'm leaning about 70-30
> that he SHOULD be given one
> more year. Nobody's been more specifically critical
> of him on this list than me
> (come to think of it, nobody's probably defended him
> as much, either). But
> you've NEVER heard me come close to saying he should
> be axed.
...
> But I also remember the old baseball axiom that goes
> "sometimes, the best
> trades are the ones that you DON'T make." You'll
> find some K-State fans who wish
> they wouldn't have tried to run Dana Altman out of
> town years ago.
>
> We lose four seniors off this year's team, but next
> year we'll have more
> overall talent. I heard some idiot on some
> talking-head show say today that
> "nobody's seen these incoming players play." Yes,
> we have and they ARE legit (I'll
> guarantee you that Pedersen and Boehm have seen them
> play!). Nobody's
> questioning whether or not McCray and Maric are
> ready-for-prime-time Big XII players
> now, and these new guys are supposed to be in their
> talent class. I say,
> bring it on!
>
> There's a major change coming next year. The new
> guys take over. Next year,
> Joe McCray and Aleks Maric are, all of a sudden, the
> cornerstones of your
> team. It's THEIR team (and they've shown enough of
> a collective nasty,
> get-after-it, only-the-strong-survive mentality to
> make me think that they definitely
> "get it.").
>
> Eddie Sutton is as good as it gets. Last night he
> said that he didn't think
> Collier initially understood the level of talent
> needed to compete in this
> league. He also said that it's evident that the
> talent is getting better at NU
> and that "these people" need to cut him some slack.
> Of course, fellow coaches
> are going to be supportive, but it also segues into
> a rant about what an
> irresponsible "journalist" Tom Shatel is.


=====
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From russvolb at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 25 07:51:37 2005
From: russvolb at earthlink.net (Russ Volberding)
Date: Fri Feb 25 07:56:42 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Sports
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050225075039.00a22260@pop.earthlink.net>


>
>On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:19:33 -0600, Russ Volberding
><russvolb@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > John Wooden[sp?] once said that if you wanted to watch basketball the way
> > it was meant to be played, you should attend a H.S. girls game.
>
>
>6-on-6??
In Nebraska it's 5-on-5.

From mgreen at nebraska.edu  Fri Feb 25 08:10:37 2005
From: mgreen at nebraska.edu (Merlin Green)
Date: Fri Feb 25 08:11:09 2005
Subject: [Husker] Try Again
Message-ID: <OF97E0DF98.222F3F21-ON86256FB3.004DCBE6-86256FB3.004DE0CF@nebraska.edu>

As Neal Smith pointed out it is not very proper to call some of Barry
recruits 'dogs' . So please substitute non- division 1 caliber players for
dog in my previous post.
Sorry about using derogatory phrases.

Merlin Green
327 Nebraska Hall
University of Nebraska
Lincoln, NE 68588-0521
Phone (402) 472-7645
FAX (402) 472-4666
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From andy at knipp.com  Fri Feb 25 08:32:42 2005
From: andy at knipp.com (Andy Knipp)
Date: Fri Feb 25 08:33:25 2005
Subject: [Husker] Try Again
Message-ID: <20050225143242.EABD12F8F2@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>



> 
> As Neal Smith pointed out it is not very proper to call some of Barry
> recruits 'dogs' . So please substitute non- division 1 caliber players for
> dog in my previous post.


But of course if you were referring to Frank Solich recruited players,  then that term is OK.

It certainly amazes me when people are surprised about the possibility of Collier  getting fired. 
First you have the 75% win is a program "headed in the wrong direction"
Second remember that Danny Nee was run out of town after producing 2 (I think)
NCAA qualifying teams and 1 NIT championship team. Does Collier even have an overall
.500 record ?  
 
BTW,  I am not too concerned either way as I am not a bball fan.   Just my biased observation.


Andy Knipp
andy@knipp.com
(480) 818-1026 (M)


From python3955 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 25 09:11:37 2005
From: python3955 at hotmail.com (Monty Perry)
Date: Fri Feb 25 09:12:47 2005
Subject: [Husker] Quarterback U
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV10C11BAB4A2F6C69E6024BD1650@phx.gbl>

Where do you guess Nebraska rates in number of quarterbacks drafted (at any 
position) since 1960? It may surprise you....

Here are the top 25 according to this sportswriter:
http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2005/02/24/which_college_is_quarterback_u.php

Monty 

From toddlowell at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 25 09:14:48 2005
From: toddlowell at yahoo.com (richards todd)
Date: Fri Feb 25 09:16:05 2005
Subject: [Husker] Storming The Court
Message-ID: <20050225151449.64984.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


When I saw the b-ball highlights of the fans storming
the court after the big OSU win last week it struck me
as kind of embarrassing.  

There was a time when Nebraska Football fans wouldn't
Storm the field after beating a top 5 team, or winning
a national championship.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective and our
perceived place in the hierarchy of things.

Todd in Tennessee


		
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From skers1 at kc.rr.com  Fri Feb 25 09:58:18 2005
From: skers1 at kc.rr.com (Douglas W. Jolkowski)
Date: Fri Feb 25 09:58:49 2005
Subject: [Husker] Storming The Court
References: <20050225151449.64984.qmail@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c51b52$d40bf9b0$3a984c45@youro0kwkw9jwc>

I agree especially after Pederson complained about Mizzou fans a couple of 
years ago.
Show some class!!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:14 AM
Subject: [Husker] Storming The Court


>
> When I saw the b-ball highlights of the fans storming
> the court after the big OSU win last week it struck me
> as kind of embarrassing.
>
> There was a time when Nebraska Football fans wouldn't
> Storm the field after beating a top 5 team, or winning
> a national championship.
>
> I guess it's all a matter of perspective and our
> perceived place in the hierarchy of things.
>
> Todd in Tennessee
>
>
>
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From answerman1 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 25 10:25:31 2005
From: answerman1 at hotmail.com (The Jensens)
Date: Fri Feb 25 10:26:41 2005
Subject: [Husker] Try Again
References: <20050225143242.EABD12F8F2@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <BAY12-DAV14F503060416C74F33615080650@phx.gbl>

I wondered how long this would take to swing to football. OK I'll play, only
because I enjoy beating my head on the wall.

First of all Andy, in a post awhile back criticizing Callahan & Cosgrove you
said, "Of course if the HC feels that his old college drinking buddy is
qualified to be DC, I certainly hope they all get fired sooner rather than
later." This same statement applies to Frank. It is my personal belief that
if Solich had not brought in Gillespie (against the advice of the rest of
the coaching staff) and placed him in charge of the extremely important area
of talent evaluation and recruiting, Frank would be coaching at Nebraska
today. And so according to your view, Frank got what he deserved.

Now the differences.

The difference between the programs. Football is the cash cow of the
athletic department. Basketball has never been a significant source of
revenue for the rest of the department. (It is preferred that it make a
profit.). At Duke, the general direction of the basketball team is extremely
more important than the football team. Thus you have to take notice when
your cash cow slips.

The difference between the coaches. Collier has made an effort to adjust and
adapt to the Big 12. He hired proven recruiters in Rankin and Spinelli. He
has changed recruiting methods and he has changed the type of player
Nebraska recruits. Thus the apparent talent level in the program is on the
upswing. As I have stated before, Solich repeatedly refused to adjust how he
recruited. The result is he was still bringing in a few "non division one"
recruits.

By the way under Nee the program was regressing. At the outset of Nee's
tenure he brought an enthusiasm and energy to Nebraska basketball that had
not been seen for a long time (if ever). However, in the middle of that
tenure he seemed to lose focus and become disinterested. By the end it
appeared he was just plain apathetic.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Knipp" <andy@knipp.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Try Again


>
>
> >
> > As Neal Smith pointed out it is not very proper to call some of Barry
> > recruits 'dogs' . So please substitute non- division 1 caliber players
for
> > dog in my previous post.
>
>
> But of course if you were referring to Frank Solich recruited players,
then that term is OK.
>
> It certainly amazes me when people are surprised about the possibility of
Collier  getting fired.
> First you have the 75% win is a program "headed in the wrong direction"
> Second remember that Danny Nee was run out of town after producing 2 (I
think)
> NCAA qualifying teams and 1 NIT championship team. Does Collier even have
an overall
> .500 record ?
>
> BTW,  I am not too concerned either way as I am not a bball fan.   Just my
biased observation.
>
>
> Andy Knipp
> andy@knipp.com
> (480) 818-1026 (M)
>
>
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From khris at verizon.net  Fri Feb 25 10:53:54 2005
From: khris at verizon.net (C. Monty Seidler)
Date: Fri Feb 25 10:54:36 2005
Subject: [Husker] Try Again
Message-ID: <20707790.1109350435024.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>

Great post! This was refreshing to read as my delete button has to be replaced for the moment! :)

=====================
From: The Jensens 
Date: Fri Feb 25 10:25:31 CST 2005
To: Andy Knipp , husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Try Again

I wondered how long this would take to swing to football. OK I'll play, only
because I enjoy beating my head on the wall.

First of all Andy, in a post awhile back criticizing Callahan & Cosgrove you
said, "Of course if the HC feels that his old college drinking buddy is
qualified to be DC, I certainly hope they all get fired sooner rather than
later." This same statement applies to Frank. It is my personal belief that
if Solich had not brought in Gillespie (against the advice of the rest of
the coaching staff) and placed him in charge of the extremely important area
of talent evaluation and recruiting, Frank would be coaching at Nebraska
today. And so according to your view, Frank got what he deserved.

Now the differences.

The difference between the programs. Football is the cash cow of the
athletic department. Basketball has never been a significant source of
revenue for the rest of the department. (It is preferred that it make a
profit.). At Duke, the general direction of the basketball team is extremely
more important than the football team. Thus you have to take notice when
your cash cow slips.

The difference between the coaches. Collier has made an effort to adjust and
adapt to the Big 12. He hired proven recruiters in Rankin and Spinelli. He
has changed recruiting methods and he has changed the type of player
Nebraska recruits. Thus the apparent talent level in the program is on the
upswing. As I have stated before, Solich repeatedly refused to adjust how he
recruited. The result is he was still bringing in a few "non division one"
recruits.

By the way under Nee the program was regressing. At the outset of Nee's
tenure he brought an enthusiasm and energy to Nebraska basketball that had
not been seen for a long time (if ever). However, in the middle of that
tenure he seemed to lose focus and become disinterested. By the end it
appeared he was just plain apathetic.

Gerald

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Knipp" <andy@knipp.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Try Again


>
>
> >
> > As Neal Smith pointed out it is not very proper to call some of Barry
> > recruits 'dogs' . So please substitute non- division 1 caliber players
for
> > dog in my previous post.
>
>
> But of course if you were referring to Frank Solich recruited players,
then that term is OK.
>
> It certainly amazes me when people are surprised about the possibility of
Collier  getting fired.
> First you have the 75% win is a program "headed in the wrong direction"
> Second remember that Danny Nee was run out of town after producing 2 (I
think)
> NCAA qualifying teams and 1 NIT championship team. Does Collier even have
an overall
> .500 record ?
>
> BTW,  I am not too concerned either way as I am not a bball fan.   Just my
biased observation.
>
>
> Andy Knipp
> andy@knipp.com
> (480) 818-1026 (M)
>
>
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  football. OK I'll play, only because I enjoy beating my head on the
  wall. First of all Andy, in a post awhile back criticizing Callahan &
  Cosgrove you said, "Of course if the HC feels that his old college
  drinking buddy is qualified to be DC, I certainly hope they all get
  fired sooner rather than later." This same statement applies to Frank.
  It is my personal belief that if Solich had not brought in Gillespie
  (against the advice of the rest of the coaching staff) and placed him
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From strongtodd at msn.com  Fri Feb 25 12:17:19 2005
From: strongtodd at msn.com (todd strong)
Date: Fri Feb 25 12:18:39 2005
Subject: [Husker] Try Again
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Merlin, I don't get the signature at the bottom of your post.
It lists an address, etc.
Is it on campus?
You work for the U?

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Merlin Green" <mgreen@nebraska.edu>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:10 AM
Subject: [Husker] Try Again


> As Neal Smith pointed out it is not very proper to call some of Barry
> recruits 'dogs' . So please substitute non- division 1 caliber players for
> dog in my previous post.
> Sorry about using derogatory phrases.
>
> Merlin Green
> 327 Nebraska Hall
> University of Nebraska
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> Phone (402) 472-7645
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From khris at verizon.net  Fri Feb 25 13:12:05 2005
From: khris at verizon.net (C. Monty Seidler)
Date: Fri Feb 25 13:12:43 2005
Subject: [Husker] Try Again
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Inmate? :)

=====================
From: todd strong 
Date: Fri Feb 25 12:17:19 CST 2005
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Try Again

Merlin, I don't get the signature at the bottom of your post.
It lists an address, etc.
Is it on campus?
You work for the U?

"Would the boy I was yesterday, be proud of the man I am today?"
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:10 AM
Subject: [Husker] Try Again


> As Neal Smith pointed out it is not very proper to call some of Barry
> recruits 'dogs' . So please substitute non- division 1 caliber players for
> dog in my previous post.
> Sorry about using derogatory phrases.
>
> Merlin Green
> 327 Nebraska Hall
> University of Nebraska
> Lincoln, NE 68588-0521
> Phone (402) 472-7645
> FAX (402) 472-4666
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From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Fri Feb 25 19:39:38 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 25 19:43:46 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Try Again
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In a message dated 2/25/05 8:34:24 AM Central Standard Time, andy@knipp.com 
writes:


> It certainly amazes me when people are surprised about the possibility of 
> Collier  getting fired. 
> First you have the 75% win is a program "headed in the wrong direction"
> Second remember that Danny Nee was run out of town after producing 2 (I 
> think)
> NCAA qualifying teams and 1 NIT championship team. Does Collier even have an 
> overall
> .500 record ?  
> 
> BTW,  I am not too concerned either way as I am not a bball fan.   Just my 
> biased observation.

I think that a lot of Merlin's earlier observations/criticisms have merit.  I 
stated some of them a while back, myself.  

I don't think that those of us who think that Collier should be given 
positive consideration when it comes to dismissing vs. retaining are looking through 
it with "scarlet-colored glasses," however.  I think Mike J. said it best when 
he said that maybe we're looking deeper, beneath the surface (or something to 
that effect).  

I wouldn't say that the Jake/Turek/Simms trio NEVER improved or that they 
weren't as good as they were as freshmen.  I think they improved noticeably 
during their sophomore year, were helped by Nate Johnson, Brian Conklin and Andrew 
Drevo's ability to score last year as juniors, and then were completely AWOL 
for the first two-thirds of this season ... a MAJOR step back.  I'd say they 
aren't as good as they were at the end of their second/beginning of their third 
season.  And I couldn't agree more with the criticism of the way Barry handled 
Nate Johnson.  I'll never understand why he wasn't given more freedom to 
become a great player, but I consider the possibility that maybe there's something 
that I'm not aware of that was happening behind the scenes, in the locker 
room, etc. ... who knows?  I don't know and I never understood why Nate wasn't 
given more minutes, more shots ... why he wasn't featured more.

But Andy, I've never heard anyone on this list say they were "surprised" to 
hear of the possibility that Collier might be fired.  Those of us who ARE 
basketball fans are well aware of why Collier MIGHT be let go.  But, like Mike 
J.said, if you look a little deeper, you consider the influx of great young talent 
that's on the way and the fact that discipline and team play has greatly 
increased since Collier took over ... some of us think THAT deserves 
consideration.  You also consider that Barry could be fired, you bring in someone else who 
DOESN'T get it done in five years, you fire him, and you keep up the cycle.  
Just like K-State used to do in football before they committed to B.S. and got 
'competitive.'  

The recruiting HAS gotten NOTICEABLY better the last two years and that 
breaks all ties with me.  I stated about a month ago that if Barry can't win in the 
NCAA Tourney by the time McCray and Maric are juniors, then by all means, 
show him to the Lincoln airport (excuse me, the Omaha airport).  I'd give Barry a 
chance if there are some positives, and the new players ARE positives.  And 
if they (positives) didn't exist, there would be no reason to keep him.  The 
recruiting had to get better and it has.  Seriously, what do we have to lose?  I 
don't think we're going to hire someone out there who's going to come here, 
wave a magic wand and make us better next year or two years from now.  I like 
our chances better with Barry and HIS new players.

Gerald has a post here recently that includes a great final paragraph about 
why Nee's time had run out.  Thanks Gerald, this is getting long enough as it 
is.  
We'd seen the ceiling with Danny Nee.  Try something/someone else.  Nobody 
knows whether or not we've seen Barry's ceiling.  If we have, yeah, fire him 
yesterday.  But I don't think we have.  I know the talent is getting better.  
Let's give Barry a chance to make it work WITH THEM.  Again, what do we have to 
lose, really?  Do you all want another unproven-at-the-major-college-level, 
first-year coach?

I think Nee went to five NCAA tourneys.  His NIT championship team was not 
something to write home about.  At one point, they lost about 11 out of 12 
conference games and boycotted practice; showed a total lack of respect for their 
coach.  Nee had lost his team temporarily and the NIT run DID save his job for 
another year or two or three, or whatever it was.  That NIT championship team 
STILL has three players off of it that are playing every night in the NBA, 
with a fourth that still has a shot.  The walk to the NIT Tourney showed just how 
much they underachieved during the year.

And no, Collier doesn't have an overall .500 record.  I think he's about 7 or 
8 games under .500.  

I didn't understand your statement about "First, you have the 75% win is a 
program headed in the wrong direction."

Sorry for the length, folks.  But it's just not as simple as "oh, let's just 
fire the damn coach, again."

Nice article in the Omaha paper today about Assistant Coach/ace recruiter 
Scott Spinelli.

Dave Norris

From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Fri Feb 25 19:57:00 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 25 20:01:02 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Storming The Court
Message-ID: <87.222ec63e.2f51316c@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/25/05 9:30:01 AM Central Standard Time, 
toddlowell@yahoo.com writes:


> Subj:[Husker] Storming The Court 
> Date:2/25/05 9:30:01 AM Central Standard Time
> From:toddlowell@yahoo.com
> To:husker@tssi.com
> Sent from the Internet 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> When I saw the b-ball highlights of the fans storming
> the court after the big OSU win last week it struck me
> as kind of embarrassing.  
> 
> There was a time when Nebraska Football fans wouldn't
> Storm the field after beating a top 5 team, or winning
> a national championship.
> 
> I guess it's all a matter of perspective and our
> perceived place in the hierarchy of things.

I can't think of two situations that are farther away from being analogous 
than the Nebraska football program vs. the Nebraska basketball program.  Why 
comparisons are even attempted I do not know.  Obviously, there are huge, HUGE 
differences.

I don't think there is a student body (and those who stormed the court WERE 
students) in the country from an underdog/unrated school that WOULDN'T have 
stormed the court after their team just upset the number 4 team in the country 
(maybe Minnesota, they have an elevated floor that sits more-or-less on a stage 
that could make it tough to get to the playing surface).  It happens 
everywhere.  I see that one conference (ACC?) is handing out fines to schools whose 
fans storm the court.  I think that's rediculous.  Another over-reaction to the 
Pacers-Pistons fiasco.  Excited students wanting to celebrate with their team 
... I never ran onto a court from a spectator standpoint, but I used to be 21.  


By the way, some of us think Pedersen sounded like an idiot for criticizing 
Mizzou fans the way he did.

I wasn't embarrassed by the fans behavior.  Far from it.  No, fans shouldn't 
ever be on the floor.  But "embarassed?"  I don't get that.

For only 8,300, it was a loud, energetic crowd that really wants to win -- on 
a regular basis.

Dave Norris
From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Fri Feb 25 21:20:34 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Fri Feb 25 21:22:38 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball
Message-ID: <003f01c51bb2$23459ae0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

Looks like the huskers have found a gem in Lincoln native Joba Chamberlain 14 strikeout 1 hit and no walks through 6 complete innings.


                                                                         Tony Lambert
From marknorris at juno.com  Fri Feb 25 22:02:06 2005
From: marknorris at juno.com (Mark J Norris)
Date: Fri Feb 25 22:05:55 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball
Message-ID: <20050225.200249.5406.214406@webmail01.lax.untd.com>


He ends up with 15 KO's in 7 IP. Even though it was against the Lobos this is impressive.
UNM 0 3  3
NU  9 10 0

Tomorrow Rice!

-- "Tony Lambert" <slimmer37@hamilton.net> wrote:
Looks like the huskers have found a gem in Lincoln native Joba Chamberlain 14 strikeout 1 hit and no walks through 6 complete innings.

From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Fri Feb 25 22:22:56 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Fri Feb 25 22:25:16 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball
References: <20050225.200249.5406.214406@webmail01.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001601c51bba$d990a710$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

The two Husker pitchers faced two batters over the minimum of twenty-seven 
batters giving up 3 hits no walks and no runs Chamberlain earns the win 
while Shriek pitched the top third of the ninth inning.



                                                            Tony Lambert
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Norris" <marknorris@juno.com>
To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Husker] Baseball


>
> He ends up with 15 KO's in 7 IP. Even though it was against the Lobos this 
> is impressive.
> UNM 0 3  3
> NU  9 10 0
>
> Tomorrow Rice!
>
> -- "Tony Lambert" <slimmer37@hamilton.net> wrote:
> Looks like the huskers have found a gem in Lincoln native Joba Chamberlain 
> 14 strikeout 1 hit and no walks through 6 complete innings.
>
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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 26 01:12:14 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 26 01:12:40 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baseball
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References: <003f01c51bb2$23459ae0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>
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On 2/25/2005 at 9:20 PM Tony Lambert wrote:

>>Looks like the huskers have found a gem in Lincoln native Joba
>>Chamberlain 14 strikeout 1 hit and no walks through 6 complete innings.





     A great win and I an very happy the Huskers are undefeated at this point.  Rice should give us a better barometer of where we are.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.


From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sat Feb 26 01:45:28 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sat Feb 26 01:46:56 2005
Subject: [Husker] Home Runs
Message-ID: <1f1.364646e1.2f518318@aol.com>

Who hit the home runs for Nebraska today (Friday)?  I've heard conflicting 
reports.  Thanks. 

Dave Norris
From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sat Feb 26 01:57:59 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sat Feb 26 01:59:32 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Home Runs
Message-ID: <1f1.364551fd.2f518607@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/26/05 1:47:38 AM Central Standard Time, 
NUStLNorris@aol.com writes:


> Who hit the home runs for Nebraska today (Friday)?  I've heard conflicting 
> reports.  Thanks. 

Answered my own question.

Curtis Ledbetter hit two ...
Alex Gordon and Brandon Fusilier each hit one.  Four total.

Dave Norris 
From arossman at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 26 13:10:51 2005
From: arossman at earthlink.net (Andrew Smith)
Date: Sat Feb 26 13:11:17 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
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A majority of top division coaches realize that some of their players 
may be taking forbidden and possibly harmful drugs to boost their 
performance.  A majority of college and high school leaders know that 
some of their students take illegal and harmful drugs.  Many other 
people in positions of authority or power know that some people engage 
in illegal behavior.  That they do not take every single measure at 
their disposal to prevent it does not mean they are looking the other 
way or letting it go!

Should most university administrations be accused of looking the other 
way because the don't take every possible measure, including random drug 
testing, unannounced searches, and other means (whose submission to 
could be clear pre-conditions of enrollment) to prevent illegal drug use 
at their university?  Would you not only approve of, but demand equally 
draconian measures at your workplace to stamp out any and all illegal 
behavior that that any of your co-workers may engage in (even if only 
done in their private lives)?  Probably not - so is it fair for us to 
assume that you're the type to just "look the other way" and "let things 
go" even where illegal and harmful behavior is concerned?

Andy


Bob Beach wrote:

> Steroids were used while TO was the coach. Either he honestly didn't 
> know or he let it go on. It has to be one or the other.


From arossman at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 26 13:25:22 2005
From: arossman at earthlink.net (Andrew Smith)
Date: Sat Feb 26 13:25:48 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids
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I'd go further and remind people that handing out punishment for illegal 
behavior unrelated to football is NOT a coach's responsibility.  Not is 
it a coach's responsibility to take extra steps (namely, beyond legal, 
NCAA, or university requirements) to monitor and punish use of illegal 
drugs.  Anything extra a coach does is just that, extra, and something 
that should be appreciated, instead of attacked because they didn't do 
even more.

I believe that our sports would be cleaner, athletes safer, and justice 
more consistently applied if we remember that student-athletes are 
members of society first, students second, and athletes third.  
Therefore, we should focused on the actions taken by our legal system, 
then the university, and only then the coach, when a player misbehaves 
off the field.  Otherwise we expect too little of the institutions with 
the most resources, power, and responsibility, and expect too much of 
the person with the least.

Andy

Sean McGrath wrote:

>I will say in the case of Williams that he did do time but by the time
>he was convicted he was already playing for the Packers. This shows the
>pace of justice since Williams did this his freshman year. I would also
>like to point out he capped the guys car and not the guy himself. Again,
>I'm sure there was some internal punishment but Osborne has always let
>the justice system work things out before he gives an outright
>punishment. Let's remember that Damon Benning was arrested for domestic
>violence only to have the charges dropped because they were false. It
>would have sucked if Osborne punished Benning and then the charges were
>proven to be false later. 
>
>Sean
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
>Of Neal Smith
>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:43 PM
>To: Dick Karre; husker@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Steroids
>
>Brian Blankenship - motor vehicle homocide, never missed a down -  I
>think he was in jail and still played.
>Tyrone Williams - capped a guy, never missed a down.
>Broderick Thomas - banned from the dorms for violence, never missed a
>down
> 
> 
>Neal 
>
>Dick Karre <dkarre@comcast.net> wrote:
>Exhibit A: Riley Washington, third/fourth-string WB accused of attempted
>murder; TO suspended him for two weeks, then decided he was innocent and
>reinstated him. Washington was eventually exonerated.
>
>Exhibit B: Lawrence Phillips. Phillips was a starter, but the way TO
>treated
>him proves (to me, anyway) the point jj is making. Recall that while LP
>was
>suspended, TO didn't allow him to practice. Thus, when he was reinstated
>a
>week before NU's (presumably) toughest game (CU on the road), he wasn't
>ready to play. If TO had been concerned only with winning, you can be
>sure
>he would have had LP ready for the Buffies.
>
>Dick Karre
>dkarre@comcast.net
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "j j" 
>
>I think 99% of the time TO knew what he was doing when he punished a kid
>and
>when he let him back on the team and it wasn't always about whether the
>kid
>could help him win or not. I'm sure that there were kids that hardly
>ever
>played that were treated just the same.
>
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From RHartsock at aol.com  Sat Feb 26 13:41:32 2005
From: RHartsock at aol.com (RHartsock@aol.com)
Date: Sat Feb 26 13:45:37 2005
Subject: [Husker] Home Runs
Message-ID: <191.39d869db.2f522aec@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/26/2005 1:59:50 AM Central Standard Time, 
NUStLNorris@aol.com writes:

> In a message dated 2/26/05 1:47:38 AM Central Standard Time, 
> NUStLNorris@aol.com writes:
> 
> 
> >Who hit the home runs for Nebraska today (Friday)?  I've heard conflicting 
> >reports.  Thanks. 
> 
> Answered my own question.
> 
> Curtis Ledbetter hit two ...
> Alex Gordon and Brandon Fusilier each hit one.  Four total.
> 
> Dave Norris 
> 

I checked The Rice website this morning, and it looks like the games 
scheduled for today (Saturday) are rained out. More information to be posted later 
today.

Rich Hartsock
From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 26 13:48:29 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 26 13:48:57 2005
Subject: [Husker] Character
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>>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>
>>On 2/26/2005 at 1:51 PM Andrew Smith wrote:
>>
>>You claim that "the reason he was here for 25 years is because he won
>>football games and not because he was a great man" is equally extreme and
>>false.  Had he not been viewed as an honorable man, it is quite likely
>>that he would have been ousted as coach some time prior to 1993.


It is not extreme and false.  It is the truth.  I don't necessarily believe winning is the only reason but it is the over riding reason.  We, obviously, we will never know but I find it very difficult to believe TO, or any coach in an upper level college program, would last 25 years just because they have character.  They are going to have to win as well.  I am not sure where you get the last comment Osborne would have been ousted had he not been an honorable man.  TO never won less than nine games and he went to a bowl game every year.  He would have had to have terrible character to the point of breaking the law or NCAA regulations to get fired with a record like that, especially with Devaney as AD.
>>
>>
>>
>>My position is that both his image as a man of honor and his winning
>>record were factors.  You are the one taking the absurd position that his
>>good character had so significance.



     I have never said his character was of no significance.  I think character is wonderful and I appreciate and respect TO for having character.  As you said, both components, winning and character, contributed to his long run.  But, I in no way believe it was 50/50.  I have asked this question several times, if TO was every bit the man he is and was while he was coaching and could only win 2-3  games a year and never went to a bowl game do you believe he would have lasted 25 years?  I don't.  I am not trying to minimize character.  I am only trying to make the point winning is the name of the game.  I am not saying I am happy about that but it is the way it is.  History is strewn with the remains of coaches which were fired that had high moral fiber but couldn't win.  If a coach is a winner AND has high integrity it is icing on the cake.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.        


From shubs at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 26 13:56:42 2005
From: shubs at sbcglobal.net (SShubs)
Date: Sat Feb 26 13:57:35 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
In-Reply-To: <4220C9BB.9070708@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BBEFKABPGJDMIALMEGLPOEMLDPAA.shubs@sbcglobal.net>

Very good point.  Plus ... given the legal evironment, it could quickly lead
to an intrusion in privacy litigation.  There are measures in each of these
environments that have become standard practices.  These practices have so
far been tested in the courts and have passed legal muster.  Going farther
would likely jeapardize the whole operation.  Businesses and schools walk a
tightrope in this day and age.  They are caught between those who want a
successful program and those who might be called ambulance chasers who could
not care less about the programs.  They only see an opportunity to make a
profitable case around intrusions in privacy.  Plus you have the NCAA
putting their annual, confusing edicts out.  It is a no-win situation at
least for coaches and their programs.

Stephen Shubert
Husker in Michigan


-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf
Of Andrew Smith
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:11 PM
To: Bob Beach
Cc: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Husker] Osborne


A majority of top division coaches realize that some of their players
may be taking forbidden and possibly harmful drugs to boost their
performance.  A majority of college and high school leaders know that
some of their students take illegal and harmful drugs.  Many other
people in positions of authority or power know that some people engage
in illegal behavior.  That they do not take every single measure at
their disposal to prevent it does not mean they are looking the other
way or letting it go!

Should most university administrations be accused of looking the other
way because the don't take every possible measure, including random drug
testing, unannounced searches, and other means (whose submission to
could be clear pre-conditions of enrollment) to prevent illegal drug use
at their university?  Would you not only approve of, but demand equally
draconian measures at your workplace to stamp out any and all illegal
behavior that that any of your co-workers may engage in (even if only
done in their private lives)?  Probably not - so is it fair for us to
assume that you're the type to just "look the other way" and "let things
go" even where illegal and harmful behavior is concerned?

Andy


Bob Beach wrote:

> Steroids were used while TO was the coach. Either he honestly didn't
> know or he let it go on. It has to be one or the other.


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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 26 14:12:25 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 26 14:12:54 2005
Subject: [Husker] Osborne
In-Reply-To: <4220C9BB.9070708@earthlink.net>
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*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 2/26/2005 at 2:10 PM Andrew Smith wrote:


>>Would you not only approve of, but demand equally 
>>draconian measures at your workplace to stamp out any and all illegal 
>>behavior that that any of your co-workers may engage in (even if only 
>>done in their private lives)?  Probably not - so is it fair for us to 
>>assume that you're the type to just "look the other way" and "let things 
>>go" even where illegal and harmful behavior is concerned?



     In the first place with steroids we are not just talking something illegal.  We are talking about a substance that is performance enhancing.  We are talking something which can and does affect your ability to play, in this case, football.  I would have no problem at my job if testing was done to ensure people weren't doing something illegal that affected their job performance. 


     But, we are drifting a little.  I really am not that concerned whether or not TO did or didn't look the other way.  The only reason I even brought it up was I was told by someone who played and started for TO steroid use went on and named people which used them and there were at least two other posters who said they knew people that tested positive for steroids while TO was the coach.  I was just trying to make sense of the quote attributed to TO "other than the first two years no one tested positive for steroids."  I am not trying to judge whether he looked the other way and if it is right or wrong.  With the information I had I was just surprised at his statement.   


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.




From JGilman at fieldturf.com  Sat Feb 26 15:02:12 2005
From: JGilman at fieldturf.com (John Gilman)
Date: Sat Feb 26 15:02:49 2005
Subject: [Husker] Character
Message-ID: <C66DFBAD56468B4F9745EB13B3DC4117025FDF0C@mtlsvr01.fieldturf.com>

Gentlemen,

Been reading some of the comments about Tom Osborne.

I am not going to write a long and soapy posting describing my personal
and business relationship with Tom.
Let it just be known that when Tom Osborne was asked by the good folks
of Lincoln to help them choose a new surface for Seacrest Stadium, he
visited some schools in the east (we met on the sites) liked the product
right away and recommended it.
When the city doing its normal due diligence, asked me for a guarantee
or a bond I did not have the money to acquire one.
Tom Osborne hardly even knowing me, stepped up and personally guaranteed
the performance of the product to the city.

Fieldturf would have struggled for years longer if it wasn't for Tom
Osborne.

A great judge of talent, a great coach, a great man.

John Gilman  CEO  Fieldturf

P.S. wishing the Huskers a big rebounding year!

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Beach
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:48 PM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] Character


>>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>
>>On 2/26/2005 at 1:51 PM Andrew Smith wrote:
>>
>>You claim that "the reason he was here for 25 years is because he won 
>>football games and not because he was a great man" is equally extreme 
>>and false.  Had he not been viewed as an honorable man, it is quite 
>>likely that he would have been ousted as coach some time prior to
1993.


It is not extreme and false.  It is the truth.  I don't necessarily
believe winning is the only reason but it is the over riding reason.
We, obviously, we will never know but I find it very difficult to
believe TO, or any coach in an upper level college program, would last
25 years just because they have character.  They are going to have to
win as well.  I am not sure where you get the last comment Osborne would
have been ousted had he not been an honorable man.  TO never won less
than nine games and he went to a bowl game every year.  He would have
had to have terrible character to the point of breaking the law or NCAA
regulations to get fired with a record like that, especially with
Devaney as AD.
>>
>>
>>
>>My position is that both his image as a man of honor and his winning 
>>record were factors.  You are the one taking the absurd position that 
>>his good character had so significance.



     I have never said his character was of no significance.  I think
character is wonderful and I appreciate and respect TO for having
character.  As you said, both components, winning and character,
contributed to his long run.  But, I in no way believe it was 50/50.  I
have asked this question several times, if TO was every bit the man he
is and was while he was coaching and could only win 2-3  games a year
and never went to a bowl game do you believe he would have lasted 25
years?  I don't.  I am not trying to minimize character.  I am only
trying to make the point winning is the name of the game.  I am not
saying I am happy about that but it is the way it is.  History is strewn
with the remains of coaches which were fired that had high moral fiber
but couldn't win.  If a coach is a winner AND has high integrity it is
icing on the cake.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't
know.        


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From arossman at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 26 15:14:58 2005
From: arossman at earthlink.net (Andrew Smith)
Date: Sat Feb 26 15:15:04 2005
Subject: [Husker] Character
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Bob Beach wrote:

>>>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>>
>>>On 2/26/2005 at 1:51 PM Andrew Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>You claim that "the reason he was here for 25 years is because he won
>>>football games and not because he was a great man" is equally extreme and
>>>false.  Had he not been viewed as an honorable man, it is quite likely
>>>that he would have been ousted as coach some time prior to 1993.
>>>      
>>>
>It is not extreme and false.  It is the truth.  I don't necessarily believe winning is the only reason but it is the over riding reason.  We, obviously, we will never know but I find it very difficult to believe TO, or any coach in an upper level college program, would last 25 years just because they have character.  They are going to have to win as well.  I am not sure where you get the last comment Osborne would have been ousted had he not been an honorable man.  TO never won less than nine games and he went to a bowl game every year.  He would have had to have terrible character to the point of breaking the law or NCAA regulations to get fired with a record like that, especially with Devaney as AD.
>
I would not expect a coach to last 25 years based on character alone 
either and I have seen no postings to the list claiming so.
I said it was "quite likely" that TO would have been ousted.  I'm not 
certain that it would have occurred, but there were periods when a large 
number of people felt that TO did not have the ability to win the big 
games and never would.  TO clearly felt this dissatisfaction to the 
point that he seriously considered coaching elsewhere.  If, on top of 
"failing to win the big games", TO was not viewed by Nebraskans as 
bringing honor to them through his ethics and was just another 
win-at-all-costs coach, but one who failed to win it all, the 
dissatisfaction with TO would have clearly been worse and, IMHO, TO 
probably would have either been asked to move on or would have done so 
on his own.

>>>My position is that both his image as a man of honor and his winning
>>>record were factors.  You are the one taking the absurd position that his
>>>good character had so significance.
>>>      
>>>
>
>     I have never said his character was of no significance.  I think character is wonderful and I appreciate and respect TO for having character.
>
I'm glad you hear you say it.  Some of your previous comments such 
"steroids were used while TO was the coach. Either he honestly didn't 
know or he let it go on. It has to be one or the other" seemed to me to 
suggest otherwise.

>  As you said, both components, winning and character, contributed to his long run.  But, I in no way believe it was 50/50.  I have asked this question several times, if TO was every bit the man he is and was while he was coaching and could only win 2-3  games a year and never went to a bowl game do you believe he would have lasted 25 years?  I don't.  I am not trying to minimize character.  I am only trying to make the point winning is the name of the game.  I am not saying I am happy about that but it is the way it is.  History is strewn with the remains of coaches which were fired that had high moral fiber but couldn't win.  If a coach is a winner AND has high integrity it is icing on the cake.
>
>
>Bob Beach
>The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.        
>
>
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>  
>
From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 26 15:22:17 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Sat Feb 26 15:23:37 2005
Subject: [Husker] NFL Web-site
In-Reply-To: <C66DFBAD56468B4F9745EB13B3DC4117025FDF0C@mtlsvr01.fieldturf.com>
Message-ID: <20050226212217.14621.qmail@web54402.mail.yahoo.com>

Check out who's on the front page of the www.nfl.com website.
 
Neal

John Gilman <JGilman@fieldturf.com> wrote:
Gentlemen,

Been reading some of the comments about Tom Osborne.

I am not going to write a long and soapy posting describing my personal
and business relationship with Tom.
Let it just be known that when Tom Osborne was asked by the good folks
of Lincoln to help them choose a new surface for Seacrest Stadium, he
visited some schools in the east (we met on the sites) liked the product
right away and recommended it.
When the city doing its normal due diligence, asked me for a guarantee
or a bond I did not have the money to acquire one.
Tom Osborne hardly even knowing me, stepped up and personally guaranteed
the performance of the product to the city.

Fieldturf would have struggled for years longer if it wasn't for Tom
Osborne.

A great judge of talent, a great coach, a great man.

John Gilman CEO Fieldturf

P.S. wishing the Huskers a big rebounding year!

-----Original Message-----
From: husker-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:husker-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Beach
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:48 PM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] Character


>>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>
>>On 2/26/2005 at 1:51 PM Andrew Smith wrote:
>>
>>You claim that "the reason he was here for 25 years is because he won 
>>football games and not because he was a great man" is equally extreme 
>>and false. Had he not been viewed as an honorable man, it is quite 
>>likely that he would have been ousted as coach some time prior to
1993.


It is not extreme and false. It is the truth. I don't necessarily
believe winning is the only reason but it is the over riding reason.
We, obviously, we will never know but I find it very difficult to
believe TO, or any coach in an upper level college program, would last
25 years just because they have character. They are going to have to
win as well. I am not sure where you get the last comment Osborne would
have been ousted had he not been an honorable man. TO never won less
than nine games and he went to a bowl game every year. He would have
had to have terrible character to the point of breaking the law or NCAA
regulations to get fired with a record like that, especially with
Devaney as AD.
>>
>>
>>
>>My position is that both his image as a man of honor and his winning 
>>record were factors. You are the one taking the absurd position that 
>>his good character had so significance.



I have never said his character was of no significance. I think
character is wonderful and I appreciate and respect TO for having
character. As you said, both components, winning and character,
contributed to his long run. But, I in no way believe it was 50/50. I
have asked this question several times, if TO was every bit the man he
is and was while he was coaching and could only win 2-3 games a year
and never went to a bowl game do you believe he would have lasted 25
years? I don't. I am not trying to minimize character. I am only
trying to make the point winning is the name of the game. I am not
saying I am happy about that but it is the way it is. History is strewn
with the remains of coaches which were fired that had high moral fiber
but couldn't win. If a coach is a winner AND has high integrity it is
icing on the cake.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't
know. 


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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 26 16:37:55 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 26 16:38:24 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Character
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On 2/26/2005 at 4:14 PM Andrew Smith <arossman@earthlink.net> wrote:

>>I would not expect a coach to last 25 years based on character alone 
>>either and I have seen no postings to the list claiming so.



    I never said you said it or anyone else said it before.  I said I had asked the question before.



>>I said it was "quite likely" that TO would have been ousted.  I'm not 
>>certain that it would have occurred, but there were periods when a large 
>>number of people felt that TO did not have the ability to win the big 
>>games and never would.


     I agree with you here.  This was happening.  But, there was never a time where TO was in danger of losing his job.  This "large number of people" you suggest were fans basically and a few boosters.  There was never a time Bob Devaney considered firing Osborne and it wasn't character that kept him there.  Devaney knew he had a winner.  I for one had always made the statement NU will always have a great program under TO but will never win the National Championship.  I am glad I was wrong.  But even though I felt that way I didn't want him fired.



>>TO clearly felt this dissatisfaction to the 
>>point that he seriously considered coaching elsewhere.  



     That is true but that was TO fed up with the "BS" if you will.  That would have been his choice.  He wasn't about to be ousted.


>>I'm glad you hear you say it.  Some of your previous comments such 
>>"steroids were used while TO was the coach. Either he honestly didn't 
>>know or he let it go on. It has to be one or the other" seemed to me to 
>>suggest otherwise.



     There is a difference between character and perfection.  I believe TO was/is a man of character.  I don't believe he was/is perfect.  I am not suggesting you said he was perfect.  I am just saying he is as capable of error as anyone else.   Even though a person has character they are still capable of mistakes, failures, and errors in judgement on occasion.  TO would be no exception.  So to suggest maybe something knowingly slipped through the cracks doesn't change my respect for him.  It is just food for discussion.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.


From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sat Feb 26 16:38:06 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sat Feb 26 16:38:35 2005
Subject: [Husker] Character
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>>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>
>>On 2/26/2005 at 1:51 PM Andrew Smith wrote:
>>
>>You claim that "the reason he was here for 25 years is because he won
>>football games and not because he was a great man" is equally extreme and
>>false.  Had he not been viewed as an honorable man, it is quite likely
>>that he would have been ousted as coach some time prior to 1993.


It is not extreme and false.  It is the truth.  I don't necessarily believe winning is the only reason but it is the over riding reason.  We, obviously, we will never know but I find it very difficult to believe TO, or any coach in an upper level college program, would last 25 years just because they have character.  They are going to have to win as well.  I am not sure where you get the last comment Osborne would have been ousted had he not been an honorable man.  TO never won less than nine games and he went to a bowl game every year.  He would have had to have terrible character to the point of breaking the law or NCAA regulations to get fired with a record like that, especially with Devaney as AD.
>>
>>
>>
>>My position is that both his image as a man of honor and his winning
>>record were factors.  You are the one taking the absurd position that his
>>good character had so significance.



     I have never said his character was of no significance.  I think character is wonderful and I appreciate and respect TO for having character.  As you said, both components, winning and character, contributed to his long run.  But, I in no way believe it was 50/50.  I have asked this question several times, if TO was every bit the man he is and was while he was coaching and could only win 2-3  games a year and never went to a bowl game do you believe he would have lasted 25 years?  I don't.  I am not trying to minimize character.  I am only trying to make the point winning is the name of the game.  I am not saying I am happy about that but it is the way it is.  History is strewn with the remains of coaches which were fired that had high moral fiber but couldn't win.  If a coach is a winner AND has high integrity it is icing on the cake.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.        


From Skip at BBUinc.com  Sat Feb 26 18:05:57 2005
From: Skip at BBUinc.com (Skip Burrell)
Date: Sat Feb 26 18:06:41 2005
Subject: [Husker] Character
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Bob,

If your point is that, all that matters is winning, then you are correct 
unless there is cheating. Even a winning record at NU will not save you 
if you cheat. Just look at Cal Benz, the long-time and very successful 
swim coach, and the previous, also very successful, wrestling coach. 
Both were canned when they broke the rules.

If you want an example of a popular winning coach, with questionable 
character, look no further than Bob Devaney. He was definitely not a 
saint, yet is revered as much as Tom Osborne.

My question to you Bob, is...  SO WHAT?

Bob Beach wrote:

>     I have never said his character was of no significance.  I think character is wonderful and I appreciate and respect TO for having character.  As you said, both components, winning and character, contributed to his long run.  But, I in no way believe it was 50/50.  I have asked this question several times, if TO was every bit the man he is and was while he was coaching and could only win 2-3  games a year and never went to a bowl game do you believe he would have lasted 25 years?  I don't.  I am not trying to minimize character.  I am only trying to make the point winning is the name of the game.  I am not saying I am happy about that but it is the way it is.  History is strewn with the remains of coaches which were fired that had high moral fiber but couldn't win.  If a coach is a winner AND has high integrity it is icing on the cake.
>
>
>Bob Beach
>The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.        
>
>
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>
>  
>


From reich at inetnebr.com  Sat Feb 26 22:51:54 2005
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Sat Feb 26 22:55:54 2005
Subject: [Husker] Character
Message-ID: <200502270451.WAA04054@stork.inebraska.com>

> [Osborne] would have had to have terrible character to the point of
> breaking the law or NCAA regulations to get fired with a record like
> that....

I can only conclude that you weren't around in the late 1970s or early
1990s, don't remember, or have forgotten.  He was near to being
pushed out --- enough so that he thought about leaving voluntarily.
You've set up a straw man --- trying to stick the claim that "his
W-L record wasn't important to his record" in the mouths of those
who have noted the importance of his chraracter to his record ---
when in fact no one has said any such thing.  It's difficult for me
to understand what you get out of twisting an argument to be against
something no one has even said and then repeatedly downplaying and
dismissing the importance of integrity to his record and apparently
questioning his honesty.

From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 27 00:05:12 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 27 00:05:41 2005
Subject: [Husker] Character
In-Reply-To: <200502270451.WAA04054@stork.inebraska.com>
References: <200502270451.WAA04054@stork.inebraska.com>
Message-ID: <200502270005120515.02BF66DC@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>



>>I can only conclude that you weren't around in the late 1970s or early
>>1990s, don't remember, or have forgotten.  He was near to being
>>pushed out --- enough so that he thought about leaving voluntarily.
>>You've set up a straw man --- trying to stick the claim that "his
>>W-L record wasn't important to his record" in the mouths of those
>>who have noted the importance of his chraracter to his record ---
>>when in fact no one has said any such thing.  It's difficult for me
>>to understand what you get out of twisting an argument to be against
>>something no one has even said and then repeatedly downplaying and
>>dismissing the importance of integrity to his record and apparently
>>questioning his honesty.



    What in the world are you talking about?  I remember Bill Jennings, do you?  I don't understand your post at all.  I'm sorry.  Osborne was never near being pushed out by the people that could push him out.  Devaney backed his coaches 100% or don't you remember or have you forgotten? Other than that your post is really twisted.  


Bob Beach
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From alans at efn.org  Sun Feb 27 01:19:31 2005
From: alans at efn.org (Alan Siporin)
Date: Sun Feb 27 01:20:15 2005
Subject: [Husker] Character
In-Reply-To: <200502261348290265.008AC6CB@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BE46B483.10C5F%alans@efn.org>

On 2/26/05 11:48 AM, "Bob Beach" <rbeach@neb.rr.com> wrote:

  TO never won less than nine games and he went to a bowl game
> every year.  He would have had to have terrible character to the point of
> breaking the law or NCAA regulations to get fired with a record like that,

Frank Solich went to a bowl game every year, won nine more every year but
one (seven wins) and averaged just under ten wins a year, and yet he was
fired.

Alan Siporin

From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sun Feb 27 09:01:55 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 27 09:06:01 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska Baseball vs. Rice -- Rescheduled
Message-ID: <12b.579e48e5.2f533ae3@aol.com>

Following yesterday's postponment due to inclement weather, Nebraska will 
play #7 ranked Rice today at 2:30 p.m. at Houston's Reckling Park.  Zach Kroneke 
is again scheduled to start for the Huskers.  NU's regularly scheduled game 
today against Western Illinois will not be played and will not be made up.  

NU improved to 6-0 with their win Friday night over New Mexico behind Joba 
Chamberlain's 15 strikeouts.  Whereas NU's perfect start has been against 
somewhat inferior competition, there have been some promising signs to take note of 
no matter who the competition.  In my opinion, the return of Duensing and 
Fusilier from injury, have topped the list.  It's early, but for those who follow 
such things, NU is right on the cusp of entering the Top 25.  You'd have to 
think that a win today over a perennial national power would meet the necessary 
criteria.

Dave Norris
From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sun Feb 27 09:37:02 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sun Feb 27 09:39:33 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska Baseball vs. Rice -- Rescheduled
References: <12b.579e48e5.2f533ae3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c51ce2$2fe1a1f0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

Dave, Did you read the line score of Fridays game. Chamberlain and Shriek 
faced only two over the minim. That is very impressive no matter what the 
league. whether it is MLB of High school And Chamberlain only had two balls 
hit out of the infield. I still say that Chamberlain will be a key in the 
pitching rotation. And from what i have read that the coaches are high on 
Hammerklink So. Out of Omaha (Prep) But you are right a good showing against 
Rice get us into the top 25.


                                                             Tony Lambert
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> Following yesterday's postponment due to inclement weather, Nebraska will
> play #7 ranked Rice today at 2:30 p.m. at Houston's Reckling Park.  Zach 
> Kroneke
> is again scheduled to start for the Huskers.  NU's regularly scheduled 
> game
> today against Western Illinois will not be played and will not be made up.
>
> NU improved to 6-0 with their win Friday night over New Mexico behind Joba
> Chamberlain's 15 strikeouts.  Whereas NU's perfect start has been against
> somewhat inferior competition, there have been some promising signs to 
> take note of
> no matter who the competition.  In my opinion, the return of Duensing and
> Fusilier from injury, have topped the list.  It's early, but for those who 
> follow
> such things, NU is right on the cusp of entering the Top 25.  You'd have 
> to
> think that a win today over a perennial national power would meet the 
> necessary
> criteria.
>
> Dave Norris
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From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sun Feb 27 10:16:46 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 27 10:18:23 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Nebraska Baseball vs. Rice -- Rescheduled
Message-ID: <25.5a034a73.2f534c6e@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/27/05 9:38:28 AM Central Standard Time, 
slimmer37@hamilton.net writes:


> Dave, Did you read the line score of Fridays game. Chamberlain and Shriek 
> faced only two over the minim. That is very impressive no matter what the 
> league. whether it is MLB of High school And Chamberlain only had two balls 
> hit out of the infield. I still say that Chamberlain will be a key in the 
> pitching rotation. And from what i have read that the coaches are high on 
> Hammerklink So. Out of Omaha (Prep) But you are right a good showing against 
> 
> Rice get us into the top 25.

I saw that, Tony.  In an aluminum bat world, that's even a greater 
accomplishment, regardless of the level of competition.

This team will be deeper than it was last year.  The fact that experienced 
seniors like Daniel Bruce in the outfield and Phil Shirek on the mound are 
really going to have to fight for playing time and opportunities to contribute 
reflects that.

Just like basketball, this is a great league when it comes to the hardball.  
NU, picked to finish fifth in the pre-season, has a chance to be better than 
that.  Like most teams in most sports, avoiding injuries will be critical.

Dave Norris
From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 27 10:57:40 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Sun Feb 27 10:58:55 2005
Subject: [Husker] Cory Ross:  Toe getting better, Carpets getting dirtier
Message-ID: <20050227165740.51217.qmail@web30410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nice story in the Lincoln paper on Cory Ross, and how
he's healing from the abuse he took last season. 
Also, the new puppy he received from his girlfriend.

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2005/02/27/huskerextra/editorial//doc4221607d6821b710874596.txt

With Tierre Green rumored to be switching to defense,
that leaves only him and Brandon Jackson as
scholarship I-backs.  Perhaps that means that both
Marlon Lucky and Leon Jackson will be on offense for
next season.

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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 27 11:01:40 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Sun Feb 27 11:02:55 2005
Subject: [Husker] Collier Graduation Rates
Message-ID: <20050227170140.2123.qmail@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Today's story in the Omaha paper on Husker hoops
illustrates another positive on Barry Collier's hoops
program.  Nebraska fans take great pride in the
academic achievements of the football program.

Collier's teams have led the Big XII in academic
all-conference players every year.  Last year, over a
third of the first place team (6 of 17) were Huskers. 
Stretching back to his days at Butler, he's graduated
49 of 52 seniors.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1347139


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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 27 11:12:55 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Sun Feb 27 11:14:11 2005
Subject: [Husker] Collier Graduation Rates
In-Reply-To: <20050227170140.2123.qmail@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050227171255.16799.qmail@web54407.mail.yahoo.com>

Very nice, but I would trade 2 academic all big 12's for 1 basketball all big 12.
 
Neal 

BTW, you mentioned this is another positive of the Barry Collier's hoops programs, what are the others.  I am not aware of any others.  When answering, please leave off refrence to Danny Nee.
 

Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote:
Today's story in the Omaha paper on Husker hoops
illustrates another positive on Barry Collier's hoops
program. Nebraska fans take great pride in the
academic achievements of the football program.

Collier's teams have led the Big XII in academic
all-conference players every year. Last year, over a
third of the first place team (6 of 17) were Huskers. 
Stretching back to his days at Butler, he's graduated
49 of 52 seniors.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1347139


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From nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 27 11:13:38 2005
From: nealsmith_1965 at yahoo.com (Neal Smith)
Date: Sun Feb 27 11:14:54 2005
Subject: [Husker] Cory Ross:  Toe getting better, Carpets getting dirtier
In-Reply-To: <20050227165740.51217.qmail@web30410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050227171338.68883.qmail@web54410.mail.yahoo.com>

What about David Horne?  
 
Neal 

Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote:
Nice story in the Lincoln paper on Cory Ross, and how
he's healing from the abuse he took last season. 
Also, the new puppy he received from his girlfriend.

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2005/02/27/huskerextra/editorial//doc4221607d6821b710874596.txt

With Tierre Green rumored to be switching to defense,
that leaves only him and Brandon Jackson as
scholarship I-backs. Perhaps that means that both
Marlon Lucky and Leon Jackson will be on offense for
next season.

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From sstone at pvtnetworks.net  Sun Feb 27 11:27:15 2005
From: sstone at pvtnetworks.net (Steve Stone)
Date: Sun Feb 27 11:27:57 2005
Subject: [Husker] Cory Ross:  Toe getting better, Carpets getting dirtier
In-Reply-To: <20050227171338.68883.qmail@web54410.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050227171338.68883.qmail@web54410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06210208be47b2f72d4d@[192.168.1.4]>

>What about David Horne?

Horne was dismissed from the team several months ago, and you seemed 
the poster most pleased by the fact.

Steve Stone

From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 27 11:34:04 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Sun Feb 27 11:35:20 2005
Subject: [Husker] Cory Ross:  Toe getting better, Carpets getting dirtier
In-Reply-To: <20050227171338.68883.qmail@web54410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050227173404.73432.qmail@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

David Horne has transferred to Northern Iowa.

http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2005/02/03/sports/local/doc4202519456a21375465482.txt

--- Neal Smith <nealsmith_1965@yahoo.com> wrote:

> What about David Horne?  
>  
> Neal 
> 
> Mike Jaixen <mikejaixen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Nice story in the Lincoln paper on Cory Ross, and
> how
> he's healing from the abuse he took last season. 
> Also, the new puppy he received from his girlfriend.
> 
>
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2005/02/27/huskerextra/editorial//doc4221607d6821b710874596.txt
> 
> With Tierre Green rumored to be switching to
> defense,
> that leaves only him and Brandon Jackson as
> scholarship I-backs. Perhaps that means that both
> Marlon Lucky and Leon Jackson will be on offense for
> next season.
> 
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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 27 11:38:56 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 27 11:39:25 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Character
References: <BE46B483.10C5F%alans@efn.org>
Message-ID: <200502271138560906.053A8A23@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>


On 2/26/2005 at 11:19 PM Alan Siporin <alans@efn.org> wrote:

>>Frank Solich went to a bowl game every year, won nine more every year but
>>one (seven wins) and averaged just under ten wins a year, and yet he was
>>fired.
>>
>>Alan Siporin




     We have been over and over the reasons Solich was fired ad nauseam.  Among them were recruiting slipping and losing big to critical opponents.  Those items, just to name two, weren't happening in TO's program.  TO couldn't beat Oklahoma in the 80's but was not typically blown out by Oklahoma.


Bob Beach
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From jjj112665 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 27 12:17:24 2005
From: jjj112665 at yahoo.com (j j)
Date: Sun Feb 27 12:18:41 2005
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Husker] Character
In-Reply-To: <200502261637550812.0125E7FD@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20050227181724.39025.qmail@web54107.mail.yahoo.com>

It would be my guess that most "winning coaches" would
be thought of as men with great character. Coaches
with poor character usually dont last very long. The
University will get tired of them, the fans will get
tired of them and the players will get real tired of
them. They may win for a short period of time but will
not last for 25 years. I would doubt that you could
name a coach with more then 15 years experience, and a
winning percentage of 60% or better who would be
described as a man of poor character. If you look at
the men many think of as great coaches, TO, Bobby
Bowden, Joe Pa, Alonzo Stagg, Eddie Robinson, just to
name a few, they  are more often then not, considered
men of great character just as much as winning
coaches. These men were kept around just as much for
there character as they were for how much they have
won. Winning may have got them the job but their
character helped them keep it.


--- Bob Beach <rbeach@neb.rr.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 2/26/2005 at 4:14 PM Andrew Smith
> <arossman@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> >>I would not expect a coach to last 25 years based
> on character alone 
> >>either and I have seen no postings to the list
> claiming so.
> 
> 
> 
>     I never said you said it or anyone else said it
> before.  I said I had asked the question before.
> 
> 
> 
> >>I said it was "quite likely" that TO would have
> been ousted.  I'm not 
> >>certain that it would have occurred, but there
> were periods when a large 
> >>number of people felt that TO did not have the
> ability to win the big 
> >>games and never would.
> 
> 
>      I agree with you here.  This was happening. 
> But, there was never a time where TO was in danger
> of losing his job.  This "large number of people"
> you suggest were fans basically and a few boosters. 
> There was never a time Bob Devaney considered firing
> Osborne and it wasn't character that kept him there.
>  Devaney knew he had a winner.  I for one had always
> made the statement NU will always have a great
> program under TO but will never win the National
> Championship.  I am glad I was wrong.  But even
> though I felt that way I didn't want him fired.
> 
> 
> 
> >>TO clearly felt this dissatisfaction to the 
> >>point that he seriously considered coaching
> elsewhere.  
> 
> 
> 
>      That is true but that was TO fed up with the
> "BS" if you will.  That would have been his choice. 
> He wasn't about to be ousted.
> 
> 
> >>I'm glad you hear you say it.  Some of your
> previous comments such 
> >>"steroids were used while TO was the coach. Either
> he honestly didn't 
> >>know or he let it go on. It has to be one or the
> other" seemed to me to 
> >>suggest otherwise.
> 
> 
> 
>      There is a difference between character and
> perfection.  I believe TO was/is a man of character.
>  I don't believe he was/is perfect.  I am not
> suggesting you said he was perfect.  I am just
> saying he is as capable of error as anyone else.  
> Even though a person has character they are still
> capable of mistakes, failures, and errors in
> judgement on occasion.  TO would be no exception. 
> So to suggest maybe something knowingly slipped
> through the cracks doesn't change my respect for
> him.  It is just food for discussion.
> 
> 
> Bob Beach
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> there is one doesn't know.
> 
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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 27 12:30:27 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 27 12:30:56 2005
Subject: [Husker] QB
Message-ID: <200502271230270703.0569B390@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>

     This guy did some research and according to his criterion since 1960 NU was the eighth best QB school in the country.  I personally would not have guessed they would rank that high.


http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2005/02/24/which_college_is_quarterback_u.php




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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 27 12:29:49 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Sun Feb 27 12:31:03 2005
Subject: [Husker] If you're going to make comparisions (was Re: Character)
In-Reply-To: <200502271138560906.053A8A23@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20050227182949.90390.qmail@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Warning:  Here we go again, so if you don't like to
see this stuff rehashed for the 45,383th time, just
hit delete...

The facts show otherwise, Bob.  Osborne went 5-5 in
the 80's against OU.  Did you mean the 70's? 
Osborne's first 6 years:

1973:  Oklahoma 27, Nebraska 0
1974:  Oklahoma 28, Nebraska 14
1975:  Oklahoma 35, Nebraska 10
1976:  Oklahoma 20, Nebraska 17
1977:  Oklahoma 38, Nebraska 7
1978:  Nebraska 17, Oklahoma 14
       Oklahoma 31, Nebraska 24

That's 1-6 for TO versus Oklahoma, with 4 losses of
14+ points.

Solich's worst opponent?  Choose between Kansas State
(2-4), with 2 losses of 14+ but 1 win by 26 points or 
Texas (1-4), with 1 24 pt. loss and a 16 point win.

As for recruiting "slipping", let's look at Solich's
last 2 seniors compared to other schools in the Big
XII as drafted by the NFL. (These were guys recruited
by Solich)
Nebraska:  9 (2003: 4, 2004: 5)
Colorado:  8 (2003: 6, 2004: 2)
Texas:     8 (2003: 4, 2004: 4)
Oklahoma:  7 (2003: 4, 2004: 3)
Kansas St: 5 (2003: 3, 2004: 2)

And the 2005 class of Solich recruits was looking
promising, with Barrett Ruud, Josh Bullocks, and
Fabian Washington all looking like strong recruits. 
In addition, Richie Incognito was making a big
impression at the NFL combine yesterday until he
suffered a severe knee injury.  Before that happened,
there were likely at least 4 draft picks for this
year.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/02/26/tfy/

--- Bob Beach <rbeach@neb.rr.com> wrote:
>      We have been over and over the reasons Solich
> was fired ad nauseam.  Among them were recruiting
> slipping and losing big to critical opponents. 
> Those items, just to name two, weren't happening in
> TO's program.  TO couldn't beat Oklahoma in the 80's
> but was not typically blown out by Oklahoma.


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From shubs at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 27 12:49:42 2005
From: shubs at sbcglobal.net (SShubs)
Date: Sun Feb 27 12:50:33 2005
Subject: [Husker] If you're going to make comparisions (was Re: Character)
In-Reply-To: <20050227182949.90390.qmail@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BBEFKABPGJDMIALMEGLPIENDDPAA.shubs@sbcglobal.net>

For the sake of sanity and possibly even the truth....  Let's drop this one.
We aren't go to agree to even disagree, so why go there?

Stephen Shubert
Husker in Michigan

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Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 1:30 PM
To: Bob Beach; husker@tssi.com
Subject: [Husker] If you're going to make comparisions (was Re:
Character)


Warning:  Here we go again, so if you don't like to
see this stuff rehashed for the 45,383th time, just
hit delete...

The facts show otherwise, Bob.  Osborne went 5-5 in
the 80's against OU.  Did you mean the 70's?
Osborne's first 6 years:

1973:  Oklahoma 27, Nebraska 0
1974:  Oklahoma 28, Nebraska 14
1975:  Oklahoma 35, Nebraska 10
1976:  Oklahoma 20, Nebraska 17
1977:  Oklahoma 38, Nebraska 7
1978:  Nebraska 17, Oklahoma 14
       Oklahoma 31, Nebraska 24

That's 1-6 for TO versus Oklahoma, with 4 losses of
14+ points.

Solich's worst opponent?  Choose between Kansas State
(2-4), with 2 losses of 14+ but 1 win by 26 points or
Texas (1-4), with 1 24 pt. loss and a 16 point win.

As for recruiting "slipping", let's look at Solich's
last 2 seniors compared to other schools in the Big
XII as drafted by the NFL. (These were guys recruited
by Solich)
Nebraska:  9 (2003: 4, 2004: 5)
Colorado:  8 (2003: 6, 2004: 2)
Texas:     8 (2003: 4, 2004: 4)
Oklahoma:  7 (2003: 4, 2004: 3)
Kansas St: 5 (2003: 3, 2004: 2)

And the 2005 class of Solich recruits was looking
promising, with Barrett Ruud, Josh Bullocks, and
Fabian Washington all looking like strong recruits.
In addition, Richie Incognito was making a big
impression at the NFL combine yesterday until he
suffered a severe knee injury.  Before that happened,
there were likely at least 4 draft picks for this
year.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/02/26/tfy/

--- Bob Beach <rbeach@neb.rr.com> wrote:
>      We have been over and over the reasons Solich
> was fired ad nauseam.  Among them were recruiting
> slipping and losing big to critical opponents.
> Those items, just to name two, weren't happening in
> TO's program.  TO couldn't beat Oklahoma in the 80's
> but was not typically blown out by Oklahoma.


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From wsmith at towson.edu  Sun Feb 27 12:50:02 2005
From: wsmith at towson.edu (Smith, William)
Date: Sun Feb 27 12:53:38 2005
Subject: [Husker] character
Message-ID: <297A831351AED249952AA60078648A26016F32A5@helium.towson.edu>

this discussion on character vs. winning frustrates me b/c they are, by and large, independent constructs.


It is entirely likely that some coaches possess great character, but cannot win (at least consistently enough to keep a job).   Just as true, there are some coaches with less than stellar character who can win games (football, basketball, baseball, etc).  

Ideally you'd like to have both.  That of course is the trick.  Which one is important important depends on a variety of factors.  





From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 27 13:24:19 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 27 13:24:53 2005
Subject: [Husker] Re: If you're going to make comparisions (was Re:
	Character)
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On 2/27/2005 at 10:29 AM Mike Jaixen wrote:

>>The facts show otherwise, Bob.  Osborne went 5-5 in
>>the 80's against OU.  Did you mean the 70's? 
>>Osborne's first 6 years:



    I didn't mean TO literally couldn't beat Oklahoma.  What I should have said is TO struggled with OU most of his career but over the TO years NU typically didn't get blown out.


>>As for recruiting "slipping", let's look at Solich's
>>last 2 seniors compared to other schools in the Big
>>XII as drafted by the NFL. (These were guys recruited
>>by Solich)



    I don't have time to research the subject of recruiting at this point.  As a result I don't have facts and figures but I don't see how Solich had as good of recruiting classes as happened in the past.  Possibly his last one was better than the rest of his.  For one NU isn't as deep as it was in the 80's and 90's.  I know this is not positive proof but I have to believe any of TO's teams from the 80's and 90's would beat Solich's 02-03 teams many more times than they would lose.  Anyway I am not the lone wolf crying in the wilderness.  There are many people concerned about recruiting during the Solich years.  Call reporters and sportscaster idiots if you want but they do have a certain access to things the average fan doesn't have.  I was listening to The Average Joe's Sports Show with Bill Doleman about a month ago.  The topic, for whatever reason, was what got Solich fired.  At the top of the list of all three people on the show was recruiting and there was a lengthy discussion.  That is just one example.  


     Anyhow, what the original subject was before all this got going was an opinion that Osborne possibly could have been ousted prior to the 90's had it not been for his character.  I don't find that even a remote possibility unless the law was broken or he was found guilty of NCAA infractions.  I don't think one could say Bob Devaney was a man of principled character and he seemed to keep his job.  He ran a clean program but his life off the field was at times questionable.  The only time there was anything close to the Boo Birds out was in 67-68.  The reason?  He finished 6-4 both those years after winning at least nine games in 62, 63, 64, 65, and 66.  Then in 69 he won nine games and on through the rest of his career he won at least nine and he was fine.  Not only did he win at least nine he won two National Championships and everyone thought he was wonderful.  His job stability and two year instability had nothing to do with character.  It was all about winning.  


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.   


From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 27 13:29:27 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 27 13:29:39 2005
Subject: Fwd: RE: [Husker] If you're going to make comparisions (was
	Re: Character)
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On 2/27/2005 at 1:49 PM SShubs <shubs@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>For the sake of sanity and possibly even the truth....  Let's drop this
>>one.
>>We aren't go to agree to even disagree, so why go there?



    Then we shouldn't ever discuss anything because generally there is going to be disagreement.  I don't know why a subject has to be dropped if it is generating discussion.  If you don't like the subject delete the posts.  No one is holding a gun to your head to read them.


Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.





From gwfead at cox.net  Sun Feb 27 14:03:19 2005
From: gwfead at cox.net (Gary Fead)
Date: Sun Feb 27 14:00:22 2005
Subject: [Husker] NU leads Iowa State at the Half
Message-ID: <000801c51d07$625aedb0$997d0d44@cx868370b>

NU leads Iowa State at the half in Ames, 30-28. 

This update is for those who cannot view the game on TV or listen to the online steam at Huskers.com (because they didn't put up a link). 

Gary Fead
Omaha
From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sun Feb 27 14:05:24 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sun Feb 27 14:06:55 2005
Subject: [Husker] NU leads Iowa State at the Half
References: <000801c51d07$625aedb0$997d0d44@cx868370b>
Message-ID: <003401c51d07$adcc9690$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

Gary, I just check to see if the listen live link was up and is now 
available on Huskers.com
Tony Lambert
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Subject: [Husker] NU leads Iowa State at the Half


NU leads Iowa State at the half in Ames, 30-28.

This update is for those who cannot view the game on TV or listen to the 
online steam at Huskers.com (because they didn't put up a link).

Gary Fead
Omaha
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From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sun Feb 27 16:01:01 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 27 16:05:04 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69
Message-ID: <1ea.3776e747.2f539d1d@aol.com>

Huskers improve to 6 and 8 in conference play (tied for 8th with Missouri) 
and 13 and 12 overall with a big 76-69 win in Ames today.  

Nebraska pounded Iowa State on the boards today by a 51-37 margin.  Really 
exposed the Cyclones one given weakness.  Freshman Aleks Maric had 13 points and 
12 rebounds (11 and 10 in the first half).  He went down late with an ankle 
injury, but returned later.  Wes Wilkensen had 16 points.  Jason Dourisseau 
scored 19, Joe McCray had 11.

The Cyclones lost their first five Big XII games, won their next seven, and 
have now lost the last two to A&M and Nebraska.  Nebraska takes on Colorado on 
Wednesday night in the Devaney Center, then travel to Manhattan to close the 
regular season next Saturday.

Very impressive game today for NU.  The officiating was so "questionable" 
that even mild-mannered Barry Collier got a technical.  Three Big XII road wins 
on the season for Nebraska (Colorado, Baylor and Iowa State).

Dave Norris
From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 27 16:11:42 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Sun Feb 27 16:12:56 2005
Subject: [Husker] Huskers 76, Iowa State 69
Message-ID: <20050227221142.76227.qmail@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

An impressive win on the road today for the men's
hoops team.  Iowa State has been red hot as of late,
beating Kansas in Lawrence last weekend.  But, a total
team game paved the way for the Big Red.  Dourisseau,
McCray, Maric, Neal, and Wilkinson all score in double
figures.
Aleks Maric was huge in the first half, but got
himself into foul trouble just after halftime.  But a
12-0 Husker run late in the 2nd half gave them the
lead.

The 13-12 Huskers have Colorado at home on Wednesday
and finish at K-State next weekend.  Could this team
actually make some post-season noise?  There's still a
glimmer of hope for an NIT bid if they can find a way
to win 2 out of the next 3 games.  (I believe you have
to have an over .500 record to get into the NIT.)

=====
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From gzimmerman at everestkc.net  Sun Feb 27 16:45:57 2005
From: gzimmerman at everestkc.net (Greg Zimmerman)
Date: Sun Feb 27 16:49:59 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69
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Subject: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69

Very impressive game today for NU.  The officiating was so "questionable" 
that even mild-mannered Barry Collier got a technical.  Three Big XII road
wins 
on the season for Nebraska (Colorado, Baylor and Iowa State).

_______________________________________________

An understatement IMHO. Is there a current basketball referee on the list
who can answer why when the offensive player initiates contact, lowers their
shoulder and bowls over the defender it is almost always called a defensive
foul?

Greg Zimmerman, UNL '75
Overland Park, Kansas


From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sun Feb 27 17:02:42 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 27 17:06:45 2005
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69
Message-ID: <1ac.32e055f2.2f53ab92@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/27/05 4:51:08 PM Central Standard Time, 
gzimmerman@everestkc.net writes:

> ______________________________________________
> 
> An understatement IMHO. Is there a current basketball referee on the list
> who can answer why when the offensive player initiates contact, lowers their
> shoulder and bowls over the defender it is almost always called a defensive
> foul?

It was meant to be an understatement, actually.  Since Nebraska won, it makes 
it easier to say now.  The officiating was absolutely horrendous.  The play 
that Greg mentioned was one of many ... how about the NBA "continuation" call 
in the first half?  Seven calls against Nebraska in the first 2 minutes of the 
second half ... many of which were of the "phantom" variety.  NU won this game 
despite their big men, Turek and Maric, both picking up their fourth foul 
with 18 minutes yet to play in the game!!

Great job by NU playing in a tough environment (sellout partisan crowd) and 
having a lot of calls go against them ... great job of playing above and 
through the elements.

Dave Norris


From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sun Feb 27 17:17:29 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sun Feb 27 17:19:34 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69
References: <1ac.32e055f2.2f53ab92@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c51d22$82744a40$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

 The Huskers are in the bottom of the sixth huskers down 2-1 Kroenke lasted 
2rds of the first 1 wp 3bb 1h Timm came in and stopped the bleeding he 
pitched 4.1 1 h 3bb Duensing now in. he throw 92 on his first pitch.


                                                             Tony Lambert
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To: <husker@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69


> In a message dated 2/27/05 4:51:08 PM Central Standard Time,
> gzimmerman@everestkc.net writes:
>
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> An understatement IMHO. Is there a current basketball referee on the list
>> who can answer why when the offensive player initiates contact, lowers 
>> their
>> shoulder and bowls over the defender it is almost always called a 
>> defensive
>> foul?
>
> It was meant to be an understatement, actually.  Since Nebraska won, it 
> makes
> it easier to say now.  The officiating was absolutely horrendous.  The 
> play
> that Greg mentioned was one of many ... how about the NBA "continuation" 
> call
> in the first half?  Seven calls against Nebraska in the first 2 minutes of 
> the
> second half ... many of which were of the "phantom" variety.  NU won this 
> game
> despite their big men, Turek and Maric, both picking up their fourth foul
> with 18 minutes yet to play in the game!!
>
> Great job by NU playing in a tough environment (sellout partisan crowd) 
> and
> having a lot of calls go against them ... great job of playing above and
> through the elements.
>
> Dave Norris
>
>
>


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From rbeach at neb.rr.com  Sun Feb 27 17:28:56 2005
From: rbeach at neb.rr.com (Bob Beach)
Date: Sun Feb 27 17:29:22 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69
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>>An understatement IMHO. Is there a current basketball referee on the list
>>who can answer why when the offensive player initiates contact, lowers
>>their
>>shoulder and bowls over the defender it is almost always called a
>>defensive
>>foul?


    I never refereed on the Big 8-12 level but I did a lot of high scholl officating which I guess doesn't make me current but I do remember.  The block/charge call is by far and away the toughest call for a basketball official.  If all that is involved is how you described it then it is pretty cut and dried.  It is an offensive foul.  But when the call is made another thing that has to enter into the call is whether or not the defensive player established position and that is the tough part.  That the call has to be made in a split second makes it more difficult.  Then add in there are eight other players moving on the floor and maybe one cuts in front of you just as you are about to make the call and you really don't see the whole thing.  It is a tough call.  I officiated football and basketball and umpired baseball all on the high school level.  Basketball was by far the toughest.


      
Bob Beach
The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't know.


From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sun Feb 27 17:41:10 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sun Feb 27 17:42:55 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69
References: <000001c51d1e$1a911fb0$1802a8c0@yourfn86qv5dxz>
	<200502271728560000.00D46932@smtp-server.neb.rr.com>
Message-ID: <007801c51d25$d2decf20$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

Bob, Maric was standing still both feet in concrete Holman lowers shoulder 
to create space and a blocking foul Maric not a tough call at all. But i do 
agree that the charge is a tough call but this was not a though call at all 
both fouls against Maric were b.s. call i thought.
Tony Lambert
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Subject: Re[2]: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69


>
>
>
>>>An understatement IMHO. Is there a current basketball referee on the list
>>>who can answer why when the offensive player initiates contact, lowers
>>>their
>>>shoulder and bowls over the defender it is almost always called a
>>>defensive
>>>foul?
>
>
>    I never refereed on the Big 8-12 level but I did a lot of high scholl 
> officating which I guess doesn't make me current but I do remember.  The 
> block/charge call is by far and away the toughest call for a basketball 
> official.  If all that is involved is how you described it then it is 
> pretty cut and dried.  It is an offensive foul.  But when the call is made 
> another thing that has to enter into the call is whether or not the 
> defensive player established position and that is the tough part.  That 
> the call has to be made in a split second makes it more difficult.  Then 
> add in there are eight other players moving on the floor and maybe one 
> cuts in front of you just as you are about to make the call and you really 
> don't see the whole thing.  It is a tough call.  I officiated football and 
> basketball and umpired baseball all on the high school level.  Basketball 
> was by far the toughest.
>
>
>
> Bob Beach
> The more one knows the more one realizes how much there is one doesn't 
> know.
>
>
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From reich at inetnebr.com  Sun Feb 27 18:16:41 2005
From: reich at inetnebr.com (Steve Reichenbach)
Date: Sun Feb 27 18:20:42 2005
Subject: Fwd: RE: [Husker] If you're going to make comparisions (was Re:
	Character)
Message-ID: <200502280016.SAA16505@stork.inebraska.com>

> On 2/27/2005 at 1:49 PM SShubs <shubs@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> For the sake of sanity and possibly even the truth....  Let's drop this
>> one.
>> We aren't go to agree to even disagree, so why go there?
> 
>  Then we shouldn't ever discuss anything because generally there
> is going to be disagreement.  I don't know why a subject has to be
> dropped if it is generating discussion.  If you don't like the subject
> delete the posts.  No one is holding a gun to your head to read them.

And, that would mean Bob wouldn't get in the last word, which he always
wants to do.  Just wait, if you've got one more, so does he.

From slimmer37 at hamilton.net  Sun Feb 27 18:25:15 2005
From: slimmer37 at hamilton.net (Tony Lambert)
Date: Sun Feb 27 18:26:54 2005
Subject: [Husker] Baserball
Message-ID: <008b01c51d2b$fa342dd0$6601a8c0@tonyscomputer>

Huskers beat Rice 6-3 in a time called game. the game went 8 innings. Duensing gets the win, Gordon hits a 3 run binger in the top of the 8th also Bruce hits a solo. Jensen gets the save.
Tony Lambert
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From NUStLNorris at aol.com  Sun Feb 27 18:36:49 2005
From: NUStLNorris at aol.com (NUStLNorris@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 27 18:40:46 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska Baseball Gets a Big Win!!
Message-ID: <6d.3fe90de8.2f53c1a1@aol.com>

Nebraska 6, Rice 3.  Nebraska rallies late to defeat the seventh-ranked Owls.

>From what I can gather, it seems that they called the game after eight 
innings due to Nebraska having to catch a flight.  Can you believe that?  The first 
game of the day was a high-scoring, time-consuming, extra inning affair.

And the Huskers won it late on a dramatic three-run home run by All-American 
Alex Gordon with two outs in the eighth inning (turned out, Huskers were down 
to their last batter!!).  NU was down early, 2-0 as Zach Kroneke had trouble 
finding the plate.  He didn't last long.  Dusty Timm came in to keep NU in the 
game.  Brian Duensing relieved Timm later on.  Jensen pitched the final 
inning.

Nebraska rallied, down 3 to 1, for five runs in the eighth (and final) 
inning.  How 'bout it??!!!!  Sounds like the Huskers had many blown opportunities 
early on in the ballgame.  Daniel Bruce also contributed a solo shot in the 
decisive eighth inning.

Huge win for the Nebraska baseball program.  Huskers are now 7 and 0 on the 
season and will surely be ranked when the next poll(s) comes out.

Dave Norris
From CGKnox at Pella.com  Mon Feb 28 07:58:44 2005
From: CGKnox at Pella.com (Knox, Chuck)
Date: Mon Feb 28 08:01:12 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69
Message-ID: <50C18DA89A98D444AD53711C1E1DC24C0289E0E4@PELSEXBE01.ad.pella.com>

I guess this illustrates how the perception of the performance of the
officials depends on which color glasses you have on.  The officiating
in the game was bad, all the way around.  Yes, Nebraska had two big men
in early foul trouble, but the same thing happened to Iowa State.
Staple had his fourth foul at about the same time, and Clark picked up
his fourth shortly after.  Both teams finished with 25 fouls.  Iowa
State had two players foul out, and two others with four.  I saw plenty
of "phantom" calls go the other way.

Nebraska won the game, in my estimation, because of three factors: Iowa
State could not make a basket; Nebraska absolutely killed on the boards;
Nebraska had significantly more depth.  The last factor, the depth, had
me recalling some of the complaints earlier in the season on this list
about playing freshman rather than upper classmen.  As an ISU fan, I
would kill to have that kind of depth.

So please enjoy the victory -- it was a great effort by the Huskers --
without the "despite the bad officiating" claims.

Chuck Knox
Pella, IA



-----Original Message-----
From: NUStLNorris@aol.com [mailto:NUStLNorris@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:03 PM
To: husker@tssi.com
Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69

In a message dated 2/27/05 4:51:08 PM Central Standard Time,
gzimmerman@everestkc.net writes:

> ______________________________________________
> 
> An understatement IMHO. Is there a current basketball referee on the 
> list who can answer why when the offensive player initiates contact, 
> lowers their shoulder and bowls over the defender it is almost always 
> called a defensive foul?

It was meant to be an understatement, actually.  Since Nebraska won, it
makes it easier to say now.  The officiating was absolutely horrendous.
The play that Greg mentioned was one of many ... how about the NBA
"continuation" call in the first half?  Seven calls against Nebraska in
the first 2 minutes of the second half ... many of which were of the
"phantom" variety.  NU won this game despite their big men, Turek and
Maric, both picking up their fourth foul with 18 minutes yet to play in
the game!!

Great job by NU playing in a tough environment (sellout partisan crowd)
and having a lot of calls go against them ... great job of playing above
and through the elements.

Dave Norris



From andy at knipp.com  Mon Feb 28 12:19:01 2005
From: andy at knipp.com (Andy Knipp)
Date: Mon Feb 28 12:19:44 2005
Subject: [Husker] any combine info ?
Message-ID: <20050228181901.0E2769E7D2@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com>



It is much longer than it used to be.  I heard Incognito is doing well (one of 4 OL under 5.0 40). 
Have read nothing about Rudd/Washington/Bullocks.

BTW,  NFL.com,  Gil Brandt has a daily blog.  He mentioned RI.

OT.  The Lions have given Dominick Raola a 5 year extension worth 17M and 4 M signing.



Andy Knipp
andy@knipp.com
(480) 818-1026 (M)


From marklandin at gmail.com  Mon Feb 28 12:33:51 2005
From: marklandin at gmail.com (Mark Landin)
Date: Mon Feb 28 12:35:10 2005
Subject: [Husker] Pilkington's scholarship
Message-ID: <16ee270e05022810337f32566a@mail.gmail.com>

Is Pilkington still officially on scholarship? If so, does this imply
the coaches think Ross will eventually return?

From kleighton at tampabay.rr.com  Mon Feb 28 17:57:18 2005
From: kleighton at tampabay.rr.com (Kim Leighton)
Date: Mon Feb 28 17:57:54 2005
Subject: [Husker] any combine info ?
References: <20050228181901.0E2769E7D2@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <000601c51df1$3ca2e740$640fa8c0@Kim>

  Incognito suffered what 'appeared to be a serious' knee injury on Saturday 
and was removed from the field by cart. I haven't seen an update. The story 
can be found at http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8231401
  Kim

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  Subject: [Husker] any combine info ?


  >
  >
  > It is much longer than it used to be.  I heard Incognito is doing well 
(one of 4 OL under 5.0 40).
  > Have read nothing about Rudd/Washington/Bullocks.
  >
  > BTW,  NFL.com,  Gil Brandt has a daily blog.  He mentioned RI.
  >
  > OT.  The Lions have given Dominick Raola a 5 year extension worth 17M 
and 4 M signing.
  >
  >
  >
  > Andy Knipp
  > andy@knipp.com
  > (480) 818-1026 (M)
  >
  >
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From mikejaixen at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 28 20:41:51 2005
From: mikejaixen at yahoo.com (Mike Jaixen)
Date: Mon Feb 28 20:43:08 2005
Subject: [Husker] "Academics show dents"
Message-ID: <20050301024151.4036.qmail@web30409.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The NCAA announced Academic Progress Ratings today for
all schools, and the Huskers fared a little worse than
I would have expected.

Football (929) was barely above the division 1
football average of 923.  Volleyball received a
perfect 1000 score.

The plan is to penalize scholarships for schools who
do not meet the prescribed rating of 925. 

Omaha World-Herald story:
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=38&u_sid=1348492

NCAA web site with all schools:
http://www2.ncaa.org/academics_and_athletes/education_and_research/academic_reform/school_apr_data.html


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From RHartsock at aol.com  Mon Feb 28 21:01:30 2005
From: RHartsock at aol.com (RHartsock@aol.com)
Date: Mon Feb 28 21:05:39 2005
Subject: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69
Message-ID: <27.6cf013a9.2f55350a@aol.com>




'Whatever colored glasses' you're looking through? Chuck talks like Dave said 
the officiating was one-sided. It WAS, but he didn't say that. Or at least he 
didn't harp on it or offer it up as an excuse for the loss (that's right, 
Nebraska won). I believe he said it was 'horrendous,' and gave an example (the 
NBA 'continuation' call in the first half).


       I think Dave's posted enough objective, critical, supportive, factual, 
unbiased and informative posts regarding basketball to establish that the 
glasses he?s wearing are ones that someone would possess who actually knows the 
game and will share both positive and negative perspectives. The 'whatever 
colored glasses' comment was a lame cop-out. Just what game WAS Chuck 
watching???!! 


Some more examples to back up Dave?s point; a point that he wasn't 
overstating to begin with: 


**First, why don't refs stuff their whistle and let 'em play? Let the teams' 
play influence the outcome. 


**Maric picks up his third and fourth fouls 26 seconds into the second half!! 
A minute later, Turek picks up his third and fourth -- three seconds apart!!! 
A ref has to be lookin' to call something when that happens. That was 
rediculous.



**Two minutes into the second half, after the Maric and Turek fouls, the foul 
status was Nebraska 6, Iowa State 1 ... two minutes into the half!!! Did you 
see us being that overaggressive out there?? 

**Normally mild-mannered Barry Collier: I doubt if anyone will ever call him 
a referee-baiter. Did Barry chose this one game to start looking at things 
through red-colored glasses or perhaps was he justified in his reaction? This guy 
is not a 'boy who cried wolf.'


**ISU shoots 38% for the game. Stinson and Blalock were a combined 7 for 27!! 
I wouldn't mind asking Chuck if he thinks the refs cost Iowa State the game. 
'Colored glasses?' I think not!! 

 
**Don't be fooled by the fact that team fouls ended up tied at 25. Those 
totals were skewed by ISU's playing catch-up and fouling late in the game.



**McCray wasn't hammered on the play where Barry got the T? Must have been 
those glasses we were all watching through. We're not talking about tough 
block/charge calls here. We're talking about a poorly officiated game. And about the 
time someone says that the refs don't care who wins?? Of course not, but if 
you tell me that a ref's ego never got in the way of him doing his job, I'd 
tell you that you've not played or even watched much b-ball in your lifetime or 
maybe you haven't known many refs in your lifetime. Especially Big XII b-ball. 
As an underdog, you've got to be twice as good as the home team if you wantto 
win on the road. And yesterday at least, we WERE twice as good as Iowa State. 


Thanks for the drive-by post Chuck. This kind of nit-picking is why (in my 
opinion) most of the people that post relevant, informed opinions leave the list 
in a fast way. 



Rich Hartsock


> I guess this illustrates how the perception of the performance of the
> officials depends on which color glasses you have on.  The officiating
> in the game was bad, all the way around.  Yes, Nebraska had two big men
> in early foul trouble, but the same thing happened to Iowa State.
> Staple had his fourth foul at about the same time, and Clark picked up
> his fourth shortly after.  Both teams finished with 25 fouls.  Iowa
> State had two players foul out, and two others with four.  I saw plenty
> of "phantom" calls go the other way.
> 
> Nebraska won the game, in my estimation, because of three factors: Iowa
> State could not make a basket; Nebraska absolutely killed on the boards;
> Nebraska had significantly more depth.  The last factor, the depth, had
> me recalling some of the complaints earlier in the season on this list
> about playing freshman rather than upper classmen.  As an ISU fan, I
> would kill to have that kind of depth.
> 
> So please enjoy the victory -- it was a great effort by the Huskers --
> without the "despite the bad officiating" claims.
> 
> Chuck Knox
> Pella, IA
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NUStLNorris@aol.com [mailto:NUStLNorris@aol.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:03 PM
> To: husker@tssi.com
> Subject: Fwd: [Husker] Nebraska 76, Iowa State 69
> 
> In a message dated 2/27/05 4:51:08 PM Central Standard Time,
> gzimmerman@everestkc.net writes:
> 
> >______________________________________________
> >
> >An understatement IMHO. Is there a current basketball referee on the 
> >list who can answer why when the offensive player initiates contact, 
> >lowers their shoulder and bowls over the defender it is almost always 
> >called a defensive foul?
> 
> It was meant to be an understatement, actually.  Since Nebraska won, it
> makes it easier to say now.  The officiating was absolutely horrendous.
> The play that Greg mentioned was one of many ... how about the NBA
> "continuation" call in the first half?  Seven calls against Nebraska in
> the first 2 minutes of the second half ... many of which were of the
> "phantom" variety.  NU won this game despite their big men, Turek and
> Maric, both picking up their fourth foul with 18 minutes yet to play in
> the game!!
> 
> Great job by NU playing in a tough environment (sellout partisan crowd)
> and having a lot of calls go against them ... great job of playing above
> and through the elements.
> 
> Dave Norris
> 
> 
> 
> 

