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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If one wants to transmit UPB signals across a
generator automatic transfer switch, I presume one could use a 3-phase
coupler/repeater attached to the two phases on the 200 amp service main service,
and the third line to the one side (phase) of the generator service that
controls the 120v (the one phase) service that feeds the devices that you want
controlled. Any thoughts that this is correct?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>With respect to generator variability in the 60Hz
region (and light flickering), I presume this can be solved with a solid UPS
system that has low frequency variability output (harmonic). Again, any
comments much appreciated!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Many thanks!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Doug</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Dan@BarclaySoftware.com href="mailto:Dan@BarclaySoftware.com">Dan
Barclay</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=douglas.ringler@verizon.net
href="mailto:douglas.ringler@verizon.net">'Doug Ringler'</A> ; <A
title=scott.dudoussat@homeauto.com
href="mailto:scott.dudoussat@homeauto.com">'Dudoussat, Scott A.'</A> ; <A
title=HAI-users@tssi.com
href="mailto:HAI-users@tssi.com">HAI-users@tssi.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Hai-users] AC Power Off
Detection</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ah. I had a
relay put in on the *<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">power
company</SPAN></B>* side of my throwover switch. I’ve got a 400 amp feed
and I prefer to manually move it over and bring it back. In storms, when
there is physical damage to the house, I didn’t want power coming on without
permission. I live on the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Gulf</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Coast</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> and have had trees through the
roof.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I can live with the
power being out a while, or with trees through the roof. I’ve had a fire
before and one is quite enough, thanks! <g><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">That brings on the
problem of not knowing when the power is back on! So, a relay (and
light) on that feed did the trick.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Doug
Ringler [mailto:douglas.ringler@verizon.net] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, December 20, 2009 7:02
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Dan Barclay;
'Dudoussat, Scott A.'; HAI-users@tssi.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Hai-users] AC Power Off
Detection</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dan,</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Yes, fixed with a simple relay
tagged to a new zone on the panel. The issue was to detect the momentary
loss of AC to the panel until the generator kicks in. I used to use the
loss of AC to the panel in the OmniPro (which was instaneous), then after
about 4 seconds or so, the detection of AC to the panel from the generator
(with a line in the programming detecting loss of AC elsewhere in the house
not tagged to the generator) as an output and zone to alarm notification that
the generator was on. Anyways, as you say, simple fix with a
relay.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Another issue: The stand-by
generator causes fluttering of lights controlled by HAI dimmers on UPB.
Other lights don't flicker. I think the issue is the generator has some
variability in the 60Hz range...so when I measure it, it can range from 60.5
to 59.6Hz while the power from the street is 60Hz right on the mark.
Guess I could fix with a whole house UPS that has tight Hz
control.........Anyone else know of any easy fixes?</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Doug</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=Dan@BarclaySoftware.com href="mailto:Dan@BarclaySoftware.com">Dan
Barclay</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=douglas.ringler@verizon.net
href="mailto:douglas.ringler@verizon.net">'Doug Ringler'</A> ; <A
title=scott.dudoussat@homeauto.com
href="mailto:scott.dudoussat@homeauto.com">'Dudoussat, Scott A.'</A> ; <A
title=HAI-users@tssi.com
href="mailto:HAI-users@tssi.com">HAI-users@tssi.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Saturday, December 19, 2009 5:16 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> RE:
[Hai-users] AC Power Off Detection<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dunno why you would
need a solenoid. How about a cheap wall wart power supply.
Put the output onto one of the inputs. Sorry, I don’t remember the
voltages required/allowed but they should be in the specs. A small DC
power supply should work fine I think. If not, then a cheap relay
attached to one would do it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dan<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:hai-users-bounces@tssi.com">hai-users-bounces@tssi.com</A>
[mailto:hai-users-bounces@tssi.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Doug Ringler<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:19
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Doug Ringler;
Dudoussat, Scott A.; <A
href="mailto:HAI-users@tssi.com">HAI-users@tssi.com</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Hai-users] AC Power Off
Detection</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Clarification: The
Detection of AC Power Off for the log command to work still requires the AC
Power to be off for at least 10 or 15 sec. Is there a way to detect
momentary AC Power Off without the delay?</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks!</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=douglas.ringler@verizon.net
href="mailto:douglas.ringler@verizon.net">Doug Ringler</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=scott.dudoussat@homeauto.com
href="mailto:scott.dudoussat@homeauto.com">Dudoussat, Scott A.</A> ; <A
title=HAI-users@tssi.com
href="mailto:HAI-users@tssi.com">HAI-users@tssi.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
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Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:38 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
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[Hai-users] AC Power Off Detection<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Running OmniProII ver 3.0 in
this location. I realize that for the communicator and log, the AC
loss must be for at least 3 min. But, in some lines of programming,
I need to detect ACPower Off for any momentary amount. However,
testing it with: When AC Power Off, then Log Power Out---will not
work. Am I missing something? I could run a solenoid for this,
but would rather not.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks</SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
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