From imail at northsquare.com  Sat Nov  2 09:05:42 2013
From: imail at northsquare.com (John Purnell)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:05:42 -0500
Subject: [Hai-users] multiple ON commands
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Thanks Doug, I will do this and see if it prevents the confusion in 
the controller.
THis makes perfect sense, and I know this was the way I did a lot of 
stargate programming, it worked good there.

John.





At 05:45 AM 10/31/2013, Doug Ringler wrote:
>John,
>
>I think you are on the right track with a flag.  I would establish a "door
>flag", and when any of the three doors go NOT READY, Turn door flag ON for
>12 minutes.  That way, any door that opens will reset the flag back to 12
>min.
>
>Then, call for the entrylight to turn on when the door flag turns ON, and
>then have the light go off when the door flag turns OFF.
>
>I have a very similar program with the units being different, and I think
>this should get over your high activity problems.
>
>Doug Ringler
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hai-users-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:hai-users-bounces at tssi.com] On
>Behalf Of John Purnell
>Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:16 PM
>To: <hai-users at tssi.com>
>Subject: [Hai-users] multiple ON commands
>
>Hi all,
>
>I've got a OP2 with UPB interface running. Having an issue with a program
>I'm trying to do.
>
>I'm trying to turn an entry light on for 12 minutes when any of 3 different
>doors open (zones.)
>
>1 is wired, and 2 are wireless. all zones work great, and I see all status
>when open/closed.
>
>This might be more of a programming question.
>
>Currently I have a program set when any of the 3 zones go Not Ready I turn
>the EntryLight on for 12 minutes. With little activity this works great, but
>when you go through the doors a bunch the system hiccups and will not either
>turn off or turn on the light.
>
>I'm thinking maybe I need to program this a different way. Maybe any zone
>turns the light ON and then sets a flag timer, and can reset the flag timer?
>
>I'm more of a JDS Stargate programmer, and though i've converted all over to
>hai OP2, I am just not as skilled in using the HAI language for programming.
>
>any advice?
>
>Thanks,
>John.
>
>
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From imail at northsquare.com  Sat Nov  2 09:10:43 2013
From: imail at northsquare.com (John Purnell)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:10:43 -0500
Subject: [Hai-users] Thermostat to expansion cabinet
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I have a separate pole barn/shop with an expansion cabinet in it, 
hooks to the OP2 with cat5 underground. I want to put an omnistat in 
the shop so I can easily do programmed heat scenarios instead of just 
a simple mechanical "relay" timing that works now.

I've scanned the manuals and I don't see that I can hook the 
communication of an omnistat up to an expansion cabinet? I forgot 
that the omnistat does NOT use the rs485 com A/B/Gnd for 
communication, but instead I think they all hook to output 8 and 
input 16 or something like that. So then you give multiple Tstats 
separate addresses, 1,2,3 etc...

but I was hoping to wire the Tstat direct to my remote expansion 
cabinet? Am I missing something? Anyone doing this? I just don't see 
anything in the books that shows I can do this. It appears to me I 
need to bring the Tstat comm back all the way direct to the OP2?

John.
N9EM
gettin' colder here in Wisconsin.
CQ DX 


From douglas.ringler at verizon.net  Sat Nov  2 10:50:37 2013
From: douglas.ringler at verizon.net (Doug Ringler)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 11:50:37 -0400
Subject: [Hai-users] Thermostat to expansion cabinet
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John,

Correct, you need to bring the Tstat back to the OP2 panel.  I have had to
do this with multiple areas.  They also say the ER Temp sensors don't work
with the expansion panels, but I find that they do, just not as a temp alarm
(but you can establish the alarm with a NOT READY and then program it as an
"ANY ALARM".

Doug 


________________________
Douglas J. Ringler, VMD
Cell: 617-543-4382
Windledge Farm: 207-684-3208

-----Original Message-----
From: hai-users-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:hai-users-bounces at tssi.com] On
Behalf Of John Purnell
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 10:11 AM
To: hai-users at tssi.com
Subject: [Hai-users] Thermostat to expansion cabinet

I have a separate pole barn/shop with an expansion cabinet in it, hooks to
the OP2 with cat5 underground. I want to put an omnistat in the shop so I
can easily do programmed heat scenarios instead of just a simple mechanical
"relay" timing that works now.

I've scanned the manuals and I don't see that I can hook the communication
of an omnistat up to an expansion cabinet? I forgot that the omnistat does
NOT use the rs485 com A/B/Gnd for communication, but instead I think they
all hook to output 8 and input 16 or something like that. So then you give
multiple Tstats separate addresses, 1,2,3 etc...

but I was hoping to wire the Tstat direct to my remote expansion cabinet? Am
I missing something? Anyone doing this? I just don't see anything in the
books that shows I can do this. It appears to me I need to bring the Tstat
comm back all the way direct to the OP2?

John.
N9EM
gettin' colder here in Wisconsin.
CQ DX 

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From imail at northsquare.com  Sat Nov  2 11:23:10 2013
From: imail at northsquare.com (John Purnell)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 11:23:10 -0500
Subject: [Hai-users] Thermostat to expansion cabinet
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Doug, again thanks for confirming. fortunately i have a few spare 
conductors remaining in the run, so i don't have to actually pull more wire.

Thanks,
John.



At 10:50 AM 11/2/2013, Doug Ringler wrote:
>John,
>
>Correct, you need to bring the Tstat back to the OP2 panel.  I have had to
>do this with multiple areas.  They also say the ER Temp sensors don't work
>with the expansion panels, but I find that they do, just not as a temp alarm
>(but you can establish the alarm with a NOT READY and then program it as an
>"ANY ALARM".
>
>Doug
>
>
>________________________
>Douglas J. Ringler, VMD
>Cell: 617-543-4382
>Windledge Farm: 207-684-3208
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hai-users-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:hai-users-bounces at tssi.com] On
>Behalf Of John Purnell
>Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 10:11 AM
>To: hai-users at tssi.com
>Subject: [Hai-users] Thermostat to expansion cabinet
>
>I have a separate pole barn/shop with an expansion cabinet in it, hooks to
>the OP2 with cat5 underground. I want to put an omnistat in the shop so I
>can easily do programmed heat scenarios instead of just a simple mechanical
>"relay" timing that works now.
>
>I've scanned the manuals and I don't see that I can hook the communication
>of an omnistat up to an expansion cabinet? I forgot that the omnistat does
>NOT use the rs485 com A/B/Gnd for communication, but instead I think they
>all hook to output 8 and input 16 or something like that. So then you give
>multiple Tstats separate addresses, 1,2,3 etc...
>
>but I was hoping to wire the Tstat direct to my remote expansion cabinet? Am
>I missing something? Anyone doing this? I just don't see anything in the
>books that shows I can do this. It appears to me I need to bring the Tstat
>comm back all the way direct to the OP2?
>
>John.
>N9EM
>gettin' colder here in Wisconsin.
>CQ DX
>
>_______________________________________________
>HAI-users mailing list
>HAI-users at tssi.com
>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/hai-users


From imail at northsquare.com  Fri Nov  8 10:09:06 2013
From: imail at northsquare.com (John Purnell)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 10:09:06 -0600
Subject: [Hai-users] HAI Logging Events
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Hi all, I recently had a security event in a location I had an OP2 
installed. In going back to view event history, I could only find the 
last 25 events I think before log over writes itself. And the only 
real "activity" data I could get were the events I had written code 
for to actually "log" an event, like:
When BoilerRmDoor Secure, Then LOG BoilerRmDr_CLOSE

So, in effect, the only activity log I have is 250 events that I 
wrote code for.

Am I missing something? I was surprised that there is no real 
"activity log" of last months of activity on the panel? I do a lot of 
card access at work, and of course those systems are all about logs, 
and I have log files from all my systems going back years.

If I am not missing something then is there any way to create a 
better activity log in HAI? anyway to export it offboard, or the like?

Thanks,
John.


From looney2ns at wowway.com  Fri Nov  8 12:31:14 2013
From: looney2ns at wowway.com (Brad)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:31:14 -0600
Subject: [Hai-users] HAI Logging Events
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You should have an event log via, events on keypad, or in Snaplink or 
PcAcess. These are system generated events, no programing needed.



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From: "John Purnell" <imail at northsquare.com>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:09 AM
To: <hai-users at tssi.com>
Subject: [Hai-users] HAI Logging Events

>
> Hi all, I recently had a security event in a location I had an OP2 
> installed. In going back to view event history, I could only find the last 
> 25 events I think before log over writes itself. And the only real 
> "activity" data I could get were the events I had written code for to 
> actually "log" an event, like:
> When BoilerRmDoor Secure, Then LOG BoilerRmDr_CLOSE
>
> So, in effect, the only activity log I have is 250 events that I wrote 
> code for.
>
> Am I missing something? I was surprised that there is no real "activity 
> log" of last months of activity on the panel? I do a lot of card access at 
> work, and of course those systems are all about logs, and I have log files 
> from all my systems going back years.
>
> If I am not missing something then is there any way to create a better 
> activity log in HAI? anyway to export it offboard, or the like?
>
> Thanks,
> John.
>
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