From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed May  9 17:18:31 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed May  9 17:19:15 2007
Subject: [Hai-users] Occasional Aegis data loss
Message-ID: <200705092218.l49MIWpq024719@romaine.tssi.com>

About three times in the last year my Aegis system (installed in 2003,
I think it's a model 2000) has lost the text coding of the messages, 
but apparently not any of the other programming.

So instead of the messages, I hear things like 'Message 23'.

Reloading the messages from the user interface restores them, but I'm
concerned that this might be a sign of other problems, and I'm not sure
if the Aegis is still being actively marketed or supported.

Any ideas as to what to do about this?  Scott, are you back on the list
these days?  
--
Mike Nolan

From jmspn6 at umr.edu  Mon May 14 13:09:39 2007
From: jmspn6 at umr.edu (Schaefer, Joseph Michael (UMR-Student))
Date: Mon May 14 13:12:00 2007
Subject: [Hai-users] Off-grid
Message-ID: <00CD318D828C574FA7EEC987511B33CFC46B69@UMR-VMAIL1.cc.umr.edu>

All,
 
Has anyone had any experience using UPB in offgrid applications? We will be using Outback's inverter system and HAI UPB products. The house will be grid-tied in the future.
 
Does anyone know of any issues related to this?
 
-Joe

From guy at Oakguy.com  Thu May 24 13:36:30 2007
From: guy at Oakguy.com (Guy Wenzel)
Date: Thu May 24 13:39:23 2007
Subject: [Hai-users] Upgrading to UPB
Message-ID: <1658D67D2D1FF7448B24DC2210F9365D250D@iceman.Oakguy.com>

Gentlemen

I am upgrading after three years to UPB.  Things have been good up till
now.  I installed the new firmware, switches and PIM.  I can tell
through web link that signals are going out since the PIM flashes red.
I set the switches to learn and go to the controller and do the 6 > 1 to
discover the switch and it fails.  I set Serial port 3 to UPB.  House
Code 1 to HLC Lighting through the controller keypad since my PC Access
is end user 2.7 (ugh).  

 

I got a UPB training pdf file from Worthington that explains setting up
HLC lighting for the units.  That's what I don't understand.  How that
connection works since I don't have any keypads yet.  I did not add a
coupler yet since I thought UPB did not need one but I should get
something to recognize right?  I'm getting one on order now.

 

Any ideas?

Thanks

-g

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From sagsag77 at yahoo.com  Thu May 24 19:34:44 2007
From: sagsag77 at yahoo.com (Ahmed Al-Saggaf)
Date: Thu May 24 19:35:32 2007
Subject: [Hai-users] Upgrading to UPB
In-Reply-To: <1658D67D2D1FF7448B24DC2210F9365D250D@iceman.Oakguy.com>
Message-ID: <750386.89175.qm@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As far as I understand, UPB needs a phase coupler, and that could be the problem.
  Someone can correct me.
  Ahmed Al-Saggaf.

Guy Wenzel <guy@oakguy.com> wrote:
        st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                Gentlemen
  I am upgrading after three years to UPB.  Things have been good up till now.  I installed the new firmware, switches and PIM.  I can tell through web link that signals are going out since the PIM flashes red.  I set the switches to learn and go to the controller and do the 6 > 1 to discover the switch and it fails.  I set Serial port 3 to UPB.  House Code 1 to HLC Lighting through the controller keypad since my PC Access is end user 2.7 (ugh).  
   
  I got a UPB training pdf file from Worthington that explains setting up HLC lighting for the units.  That?s what I don?t understand.  How that connection works since I don?t have any keypads yet.  I did not add a coupler yet since I thought UPB did not need one but I should get something to recognize right?  I?m getting one on order now.
   
  Any ideas?
  Thanks
  -g

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From dave at kalata.net  Fri May 25 08:36:41 2007
From: dave at kalata.net (Dave Kalata)
Date: Fri May 25 08:37:51 2007
Subject: [Hai-users] Re: HAI-users Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3
References: <200705250900.l4P90ihV005888@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c79ed1$baddccc0$5a03a8c0@fiona>

My understanding, limited though it may be, is that UPB doesn't have the 
same need for a phase coupler that X10 uses. In most cases, the signal will 
simply travel out to the transformer and then back down the other line for 
your other phase. In very small instances, a phase coupler would be 
required.

Dave

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To: <hai-users@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:00 AM
Subject: HAI-users Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3


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> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:36:30 -0500
> From: "Guy Wenzel" <guy@Oakguy.com>
> Subject: [Hai-users] Upgrading to UPB
> To: <hai-users@tssi.com>
> Message-ID: <1658D67D2D1FF7448B24DC2210F9365D250D@iceman.Oakguy.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Gentlemen
>
> I am upgrading after three years to UPB.  Things have been good up till
> now.  I installed the new firmware, switches and PIM.  I can tell
> through web link that signals are going out since the PIM flashes red.
> I set the switches to learn and go to the controller and do the 6 > 1 to
> discover the switch and it fails.  I set Serial port 3 to UPB.  House
> Code 1 to HLC Lighting through the controller keypad since my PC Access
> is end user 2.7 (ugh).
>
>
>
> I got a UPB training pdf file from Worthington that explains setting up
> HLC lighting for the units.  That's what I don't understand.  How that
> connection works since I don't have any keypads yet.  I did not add a
> coupler yet since I thought UPB did not need one but I should get
> something to recognize right?  I'm getting one on order now.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> -g
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> From: Ahmed Al-Saggaf <sagsag77@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Hai-users] Upgrading to UPB
> To: Guy Wenzel <guy@oakguy.com>, hai-users@tssi.com
> Message-ID: <750386.89175.qm@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> As far as I understand, UPB needs a phase coupler, and that could be the 
> problem.
>  Someone can correct me.
>  Ahmed Al-Saggaf.
>
> Guy Wenzel <guy@oakguy.com> wrote:
>        st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                Gentlemen
>  I am upgrading after three years to UPB.  Things have been good up till 
> now.  I installed the new firmware, switches and PIM.  I can tell through 
> web link that signals are going out since the PIM flashes red.  I set the 
> switches to learn and go to the controller and do the 6 > 1 to discover 
> the switch and it fails.  I set Serial port 3 to UPB.  House Code 1 to HLC 
> Lighting through the controller keypad since my PC Access is end user 2.7 
> (ugh).
>
>  I got a UPB training pdf file from Worthington that explains setting up 
> HLC lighting for the units.  That's what I don't understand.  How that 
> connection works since I don't have any keypads yet.  I did not add a 
> coupler yet since I thought UPB did not need one but I should get 
> something to recognize right?  I'm getting one on order now.
>
>  Any ideas?
>  Thanks
>  -g
>
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From brett at architechtronics.com  Fri May 25 10:42:26 2007
From: brett at architechtronics.com (Brett Griffin)
Date: Fri May 25 10:43:19 2007
Subject: [Hai-users] Upgrading to UPB
In-Reply-To: <750386.89175.qm@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1658D67D2D1FF7448B24DC2210F9365D250D@iceman.Oakguy.com>
	<750386.89175.qm@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003201c79ee3$4c41e460$e4c5ad20$@com>

According to PCS the inventors of UPB, only 8% of installs required a phase
coupler.

 

I have done jobs big to small, and have not needed one yet.  The largest was
an 8ksf building with a detached 1ksf guest house about 200 feet apart.
Around 175 UPB Devices and they worked flawlessly.

 

I would check the electrical outlet your HAI is plugged into, does it have a
surge suppressor, or the Leviton hospital grade switches (they have
suppression).  Try using an extension cord and plugging the PIM into another
outlet in the same room (if possible) as the light switches.

 

Assuming you have multiple switches and do need a phase coupler, some
switches would still work, some wouldn't.

 

 

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From: Ahmed Al-Saggaf [mailto:sagsag77@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:35 PM
To: Guy Wenzel; hai-users@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [Hai-users] Upgrading to UPB

As far as I understand, UPB needs a phase coupler, and that could be the
problem.

Someone can correct me.

Ahmed Al-Saggaf.

Guy Wenzel <guy@oakguy.com> wrote:

Gentlemen

I am upgrading after three years to UPB.  Things have been good up till now.
I installed the new firmware, switches and PIM.  I can tell through web link
that signals are going out since the PIM flashes red.  I set the switches to
learn and go to the controller and do the 6 > 1 to discover the switch and
it fails.  I set Serial port 3 to UPB.  House Code 1 to HLC Lighting through
the controller keypad since my PC Access is end user 2.7 (ugh).  

 

I got a UPB training pdf file from Worthington that explains setting up HLC
lighting for the units.  That's what I don't understand.  How that
connection works since I don't have any keypads yet.  I did not add a
coupler yet since I thought UPB did not need one but I should get something
to recognize right?  I'm getting one on order now.

 

Any ideas?

Thanks

-g

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From Looney2ns at sigecom.net  Fri May 25 13:46:36 2007
From: Looney2ns at sigecom.net (Brad)
Date: Fri May 25 13:47:03 2007
Subject: [Hai-users] Re: HAI-users Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3
References: <200705250900.l4P90ihV005888@romaine.tssi.com>
	<003d01c79ed1$baddccc0$5a03a8c0@fiona>
Message-ID: <001301c79efd$0643a740$6601a8c0@URAPutz>

It is recommended by HAI that all UPB installs have a coupler.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Kalata" <dave@kalata.net>
To: <hai-users@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: [Hai-users] Re: HAI-users Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3


> My understanding, limited though it may be, is that UPB doesn't have the 
> same need for a phase coupler that X10 uses. In most cases, the signal 
> will simply travel out to the transformer and then back down the other 
> line for your other phase. In very small instances, a phase coupler would 
> be required.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <hai-users-request@tssi.com>
> To: <hai-users@tssi.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:00 AM
> Subject: HAI-users Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3
>
>
>> Send HAI-users mailing list submissions to
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>>
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>> hai-users-request@tssi.com
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Upgrading to UPB (Guy Wenzel)
>>   2. Re: Upgrading to UPB (Ahmed Al-Saggaf)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:36:30 -0500
>> From: "Guy Wenzel" <guy@Oakguy.com>
>> Subject: [Hai-users] Upgrading to UPB
>> To: <hai-users@tssi.com>
>> Message-ID: <1658D67D2D1FF7448B24DC2210F9365D250D@iceman.Oakguy.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Gentlemen
>>
>> I am upgrading after three years to UPB.  Things have been good up till
>> now.  I installed the new firmware, switches and PIM.  I can tell
>> through web link that signals are going out since the PIM flashes red.
>> I set the switches to learn and go to the controller and do the 6 > 1 to
>> discover the switch and it fails.  I set Serial port 3 to UPB.  House
>> Code 1 to HLC Lighting through the controller keypad since my PC Access
>> is end user 2.7 (ugh).
>>
>>
>>
>> I got a UPB training pdf file from Worthington that explains setting up
>> HLC lighting for the units.  That's what I don't understand.  How that
>> connection works since I don't have any keypads yet.  I did not add a
>> coupler yet since I thought UPB did not need one but I should get
>> something to recognize right?  I'm getting one on order now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> -g
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:34:44 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Ahmed Al-Saggaf <sagsag77@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Hai-users] Upgrading to UPB
>> To: Guy Wenzel <guy@oakguy.com>, hai-users@tssi.com
>> Message-ID: <750386.89175.qm@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> As far as I understand, UPB needs a phase coupler, and that could be the 
>> problem.
>>  Someone can correct me.
>>  Ahmed Al-Saggaf.
>>
>> Guy Wenzel <guy@oakguy.com> wrote:
>>        st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                Gentlemen
>>  I am upgrading after three years to UPB.  Things have been good up till 
>> now.  I installed the new firmware, switches and PIM.  I can tell through 
>> web link that signals are going out since the PIM flashes red.  I set the 
>> switches to learn and go to the controller and do the 6 > 1 to discover 
>> the switch and it fails.  I set Serial port 3 to UPB.  House Code 1 to 
>> HLC Lighting through the controller keypad since my PC Access is end user 
>> 2.7 (ugh).
>>
>>  I got a UPB training pdf file from Worthington that explains setting up 
>> HLC lighting for the units.  That's what I don't understand.  How that 
>> connection works since I don't have any keypads yet.  I did not add a 
>> coupler yet since I thought UPB did not need one but I should get 
>> something to recognize right?  I'm getting one on order now.
>>
>>  Any ideas?
>>  Thanks
>>  -g
>>
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From utomow at gmail.com  Sun May 27 20:46:07 2007
From: utomow at gmail.com (Wijoyo Utomo)
Date: Sun May 27 20:46:40 2007
Subject: [Hai-users] Installation Charge
Message-ID: <000001c7a0c9$f8fded10$0300a8c0@Bejo>

All,

I've got a request to install a home automation system. To be honest, I
have not done any other installation apart from the one in my own home.
I wonder how do you profesional contractors out there charge the
installation. Is it based on per zone and output? Or there is another
charging system based on the number of program lines? Or maybe based on
the man hour?

Any suggestion is very well appreciated.

Thanks and Regards,
W. Utomo


